arms

[neon shale]

roger

getting the hng of it slowly

[fervent cedar]

Its not too bad once you get used to some of the weird parts

In keys it feels great

Blasting huge aoe dam, mega demolish, cleave spam

Feels good

[neon shale]

Thats the high im seeking

[deft osprey]

anyone else get rage starved during execute phase. no bueno

[minor gust]

If you are playing colo your mistake is pressing execute without SD

[fervent cedar]

Well with the exe buff i believe you can press exe without SD now

[rich steppe]

is slayer played in m+ now?

[fervent cedar]

You can

[minor gust]

Only if you have the excess rage for it. If not all your doing is shooting yourself in the foot by doing that. 20% exe buff doesnt change this

[safe island]

bruh

colo arms rotation

is crazy

man

delete rend

worst skill

[deft osprey]

single target slayer

[minor gust]

Assuming raid ST then no you should have 0 rage issues if you are playing exe rotation correctly and weaving in OPs

[dire hinge]

you upkeep it in AoE, but honestly it's not a huge deal in single target

[deft osprey]

i'm weaving in OP's correctly

[safe island]

u kidding me

why i cleave in single target

who designed this shit mechanism

[dire hinge]

cleave hits surprisingly hard. But also Colossus's single target dps is already dogshit so like... if you dont follow Rule 8 (very far down the list) it's not like you're losing a lot of dps

[naive shoal]

cleave is unironically just rlly good, numbers wise

[minor gust]

If you are consistently rage starving then you aren't. If it was a once or twice thing then you just probably got both lucky and unlucky

[naive shoal]

mortal strike is only like, 10k-ish more damage than in? maybe max 20?

cleave is insanely good

[safe island]

regardless of performance, is this the right way to play?

[deft osprey]

its not consistent. just feels bad getting no SD or tactician procs

[safe island]

i mean

it makes no sense

[dire hinge]

Blizzard loves wrapping arms abilities in 57 buffs, via talents and procs, and this is the outcome

MS is just 9 buffs in a trenchcoat

[naive shoal]

if only arms could just perform in its god given duty...

[minor gust]

Can happen but it's not very often. I very very rarely encounter this. Again proper play will negate this 99% of the time

[naive shoal]

(big single target dmg)

[safe island]

i need addon for this

[dire hinge]

check out ProcGlow

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/procglows

just add Sudden Death to your CDM and then you can set up glows, sounds, etc for it

[safe island]

can i make icon turning into sudden death icon

[dire hinge]

maybe? I haven't tried after all the changes

[safe island]

i use ARCUI

[deft osprey]

haha i play it properly believe me. maybe last night was just unlucky cause 99% seems a lil high

[dire hinge]

same yeah

[halcyon valve]

It still flips me off a tiny little bit that they havent yet fixed the bug of the 2nd stack of sudden death increasing the cooldown of your wb/avatar by a second

[safe island]

but the important thing is that sudden death is also low priority

i don need sound for this

[dire hinge]

it might look low, but in practice its pretty high in your actual "core rotation", if that makes sense

[toxic socket]

im out here seeing Bizentein playing Slayer arms 😛 is slayer arms overall better in m+ than fury orrrr is he just a really good player?

[dire hinge]

like, 30% of that list you're looking at is major cooldowns that get used once every 45sec

[safe island]

its priority does go up depending on the situation, but that’s another thing that makes it tricky

jeez

[dire hinge]

Your core rotation is much closer to:

1. Heroic Strike
2. Mortal Strike
3. Cleave during Ravager
4. Execute during Sudden Death
5. Overpower
6. [filler]

so when Ravager isn't up, and your major CDs are spent, your Sudden Death procs are basically your #3 priority

[safe island]

multi target priority, single target priority, single target execute priority

execute fuck me so hard

[dire hinge]

it looks far more complex on paper than reality

at least we dont worry about Multitarget execute priority

[lone raft]

colo still the big daddy pumper for mythics right?

[rapid bronze]

is that the core rotation for the slayer build?

[dire hinge]

both are good

[dire hinge]

single target colossus

[lone raft]

demolish will still connect with a target if the cast started when they were in melee?

[safe island]

people who play arms warrior are just smart

[lone raft]

It feels so jank to press sometimes

like I’m missing casts

or swings on the channel if the mob moves

[dire hinge]

no, it has a range, and mobs can 100% walk out of it.
If this happens, be aware that you can use Heroic Leap to continue your channel while repositioning closer to your target. As long as your in range when Demo finishes its cast, it'll hit

[safe island]

im dumbshit i want to press in order

[lone raft]

those 200k trash peaks tho hit dopamine tho

[safe island]

1 2 3 4

1 2 3 4

[dire hinge]

honestly just set your bars up this way 🙂 that's what i do

[lone raft]

wow that’s a huge tip, I did not know y can do that

[rapid bronze]

it actually happens in pvp a lot but it seems to connect beyond the 8 yards when they walk out, I'm not sure exactly how it works

[lone raft]

also I set up my CD manager by order of prio so my prio cds are glowing

[halcyon valve]

Hes really good of course, but there are other high ranked m+ arms also playing slayer in some keys at the 16-17 range

So yeah the spec must do good

[lone raft]

Yes this is what I mean

[thick kelp]

Shockwave demolish opener

[lone raft]

I can’t tell you how many times on boss fights I get tickled and die

[dire hinge]

yeah it's like, the #1 thing you can do to lower the cognitive load of our rotation.
Left to right, top to bottom, just like reading a book
Mid combat if you dont know what to press, pick the highest-left thing and do that

[rapid bronze]

getting disarmed just before the third demolish strike is one of the cringiest things that has happened to me in this game

should be immune

[lone raft]

I think the benefit of slayer is for certain mechanics you can maintain better uptime versus colo forcing you to stand still

so without ravager up, if I use CS, do I still spam cleave?

or only with ravager up on ST

[dire hinge]

the first strike of Demo should hammer the target into the ground temporarily

[lone raft]

only part of my rotation and prio list that trips me up, for a ST boss

[dire hinge]

We're here to help though, genuinely 🎉
defintely agree arms is bloated AF right now, we're one of the few specs that has more buttons in Midnight than we had in TWW

[safe island]

arms warrior is like fermented food. it kind of sucks, but you keep going back to it

[dire hinge]

you know, as a guy with 8 books on how to ferment food above his desk: hell yeah

[minor gust]

Put food in a jar till it becomes stinky and bubbly

[safe island]

arms warrior with 2min trinket?

of course

TY

TY BLIZZ

[olive nest]

Wait until you see you first 1m peak

[minor gust]

If you play Colo get the first boss trinket

Very good for Colo 1:30 CD just macro into ravager and forget it

[olive nest]

Man I need guidon I should have yoinked it from first vault instead of hero shoulders

[halcyon valve]

Im just grabbing the best passive trinkets i can get, cba with on use

[olive nest]

Rip

[safe island]

i didn’t think anything worse than stone idol would come out

varian couldn’t handle arms warrior, so he split his sword

now i get it

[dire hinge]

mmmm puzzlebox

i miss when Arms was able to auto-cast it while bladestorming

[safe island]

is arms warrior the hardest class in wow right now?

[olive nest]

Probably the most buttons but not necessarily “hard”

[little cypress]

Anyone having issues with tank threat in keys? Or arms just does big dam

[dire hinge]

was it a bear druid?

[little cypress]

Pld or pld just bad

[dire hinge]

arms does burst pretty hard, i dont know much about tank threat (other than PWarrior doesn't have issue with it ), but i know druids are downbad for thread right now

[little cypress]

I haven't had this issue with any other class or spec

[dire hinge]

could just be that person

[little cypress]

Druid has always been bad

Its awful lol

[dire hinge]

haha, yeah, they briefly didn't have that problem then caught all the waves of nerfs

[astral yarrow]

they went a little too hard though

[olive nest]

@stable fiber was arms 2T noticeably valuable on dragons?

[neon shale]

kek

[stable fiber]

Felt stronger then fury

[safe island]

why does sudden death’s priority go up during the execute phase, and why does overpower start requiring something extra?

if i'm only using execute when sudden death procs anyway, doesn’t that make it kind of meaningless?

[olive nest]

SD goes up because it doesn’t cost rage and gives you a stack of EP

Overpower has the rage condition because you’re trying to help yourself not be rage starved

[safe island]

what i mean is, why is it only required during the execute phase?

is there any reason for it to be different from the normal rotation?

does “execute priority” not mean the execute phase?

sd is always no cost, right?

[scarlet tinsel]

I'm curious why the APL is like that as well since the only thing Execute phase changes is making Execute, well, castable and we don't ever press the button for 40 rage

[safe island]

i only press execute when sd procs anyway, so i don’t understand why the priority changes in single target

[dim basalt]

Rage economy is weird in Midnight and these prios make sure you end up with less dead gcds

[scarlet tinsel]

My only guess is that if you do have Exe deep wounds and you are pressing the button over slam, everything else has to change to accommodate. Without deep wounds, you probably should just stick to the regular ST rotation yeah?

[dim basalt]

In TWW we were able to just spam exe for 2x EP into MS but its not possible now, which is why theres stuff for OP

[scarlet tinsel]

You're missing the point tho, this is for Colo M+ build ST

We totally ignore the fact Execute can be hard cast, so the rotation shouldn't change

[astral yarrow]

you still cast it over slam

reason for the change in priority is to avoid rage starving while still using sd procs

[thick kelp]

Sometimes arms functions in mysterious ways

(check the new apl that was pushed like 8 hours ago

on git

[vapid spire]

I saw some arms warriors log in match doing 80k ish dps, wondering how you get there ? Im like doing 42k and im looking for improvement

[scarlet tinsel]

Hell yeah, goodbye Slam

[safe island]

where can i see the new apl

[olive nest]

Do you mean fighting a boss in M+?

[vapid spire]

I meant march, on bird. Just saw i wrote match instead

[scarlet tinsel]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/midnight/ActionPriorityLists/default/warrior_arms.simc

[safe island]

thanks

[rapid bronze]

he was slayer I was colossus, 0.6 ilvl difference

I think I might convert

10 skyreach

[rare kite]

slayer when no shaman. colossus if shaman

this is the way

[rapid bronze]

yeah makes sense probably, I did die in the last 10% of the first boss like a moron, got yeeted out

it's mostly embarrassing on bosses when you're with a BrM lol

got the prism from the run though so big win

[abstract sphinx]

any1 know why im still at 5 sparks when I have done a bunch of m+ dungs and full hc raid + weekly quest

[warm fog]

Collosus might be better in higher keys?

[rapid bronze]

idk have just been farming gear on 10s

[abstract sphinx]

lowkey slayer better in high keys

[dire hinge]

both slayer and collusus have cleared +18 keys, it's more about how your tank is pulling and how you play around it

[abstract sphinx]

when bosses live forever

[abstract sphinx]

retweet

[abstract sphinx]

pls help T_T

[dire hinge]

like 5 sparks in bag, or 5 spark dust in currency tab

[abstract sphinx]

i have crafted 1 two handed weapon

and just got 1 spark from weekly

but before that i have done full HC raid + mdungs without a drop

i believe u can get 6 sparks right?

[dire hinge]

yeah the cap is 6 atm

i have a crafted 2H (4 sparks) and a Bracer atm (2 sparks)

[abstract sphinx]

did u get spark from content?

[dire hinge]

from the weekly quest via Lady Liadrin

if you ever missed one, then it should drop from catchup means (dungeons, etc), but if you were all caught up it should have come from the weekly quest (opening the chest it gives, specifically)

[slim iron]

Is there another arms warrior buff announcement in today's class tuning?

[dire hinge]

any changes are posted to #updates-midnight if you want a clear place to follow tuning and updates 👍

[rapid bronze]

you probably just haven't done the pinnacle quest for this week

they only drop from other content as catch-up

[abstract sphinx]

i just got one from the world boss weekly

[rapid bronze]

yeah there you go. if you're up to date, they will only drop from the pinnacle quest

[abstract sphinx]

ye but im missing one

currently

[rapid bronze]

then it should probably drop now from keys and other stuff

[abstract sphinx]

when i was missing two i did a bunch of shit without a spark dropping

hmm

i will give it a try

[minor gust]

Both benefit from higher keys. Both are good right now. Don't really need to try and figure out what's better here whats better there. Just play the game and have fun

[safe island]

for 2 targets, do i just follow the single target priority and make sure to keep sweeping strikes up?

[rapid bronze]

frozenbozo has retired from pumping slayer wtf

game's gone

[slender sonnet]

It's so over

[minor gust]

?

Ive only played slayer all week

[rapid bronze]

yeah but now you're telling people they're equally good instead of campaigning

(was a joke obv)

[slender sonnet]

im gonna coinflip if I play slayer or col in this key

[rapid bronze]

I mean it's pretty much down to that lmao, I'm getting about 3-5% variance in overalls either way

[minor gust]

I am too sleepy to understand jokes

[slender sonnet]

lets go

[rapid bronze]

my suggestion is you go slayer if you're with brm because it's a bit embarrassing if you're playing with a good one

[slender sonnet]

my last keys have been brm/rsham

[minor gust]

Cleave with x3 collat stacks over slam in 2T assuming you are talking about Colo M+ still

[minor gust]

Pugging keys id recommend people just play slayer. Pugs are chaotic. Most tanks are not gonna pull shit on boss. Having 360 aoe when a dumb tank is just moving shit everywhere or some noob brew ROPs for no reason in the middle of your demo cast

[safe island]

looking at the apl is making my brain feel like it’s about to explode

[foggy oracle]

am just realy bad guys... but i dont know what am doing wrong

[nova marsh]

Link a log

We cannot help you much from just a damage breakdown

[delicate obsidian]

this is the way. I just tried my first 12 as colo, and i contemplated walking out and swaping to fury with how many times the brm moved mobs lol

[minor gust]

No need to play stinky fury it's slayer arms time!

[marsh hamlet]

will i be able to do as much aoe damage as on colo?

[safe island]

BRUH

3stack collat cleave is more damage than overpower?

[minor gust]

Will you do the same amount of aoe? No but it's not far off. You will do more ST

It's close enough you can genuinely play either Colo or slayer both are good right now

[delicate obsidian]

Lura ST as colo (oofers)

[minor gust]

If you are an overall crack addict and that's all that matters to you, and you are actually good at Colo then you can just stick with colo

[marsh hamlet]

still playing colo arms feels more chill to me after playing fury thane

[minor gust]

My last seat was a 14 I think and I did 92k on that boss

[delicate obsidian]

as colo? or slayer

[marsh hamlet]

i still do comparable damage without mashing the buttons

[minor gust]

If you find it more fun blast away

[minor gust]

Slayer

[delicate obsidian]

yyeeee

every time i wanted to demo, spinny beams came up

[minor gust]

You can demo during that just goto one side it's a bit of a butt clencher tho

[haughty zinc]

I have two sides to me

[delicate obsidian]

i took 1 hit and was like OOOP GOOTA BLAST

https://klipy.com/gifs/jimmy-neutron-Or5

[slender sonnet]

slayer nice

[slow saddle]

Slayers just need a bit more rage stability in st

[slender sonnet]

I died on first boss like a noob

[safe island]

damn

is overpower basically weaker than slam?

[slow saddle]

No? Op does ok dmg no?

[dim basalt]

OP is pretty strong

Slam isnt

[minor gust]

Noooo you lost your not supposed to do that!

[dim basalt]

rip beta OP

[safe island]

why my op damage 18950 slam do 20542

[slender sonnet]

last boss

tho

[minor gust]

[slender sonnet]

Slayer might be the play

going forward

I might stop using buzzlebox tho

stupid trink

Im praying for first boss trink when we finally kill it

that'll be so nice

[olive nest]

Slayering the boss

[minor gust]

Slayer not as bursty as Colo to make use to puzzle

[slender sonnet]

ya

[minor gust]

Just use double passive as slayer

Colo use first boss trinket

[slender sonnet]

I was slayering on first boss mythic

we have way too many padders

[olive nest]

I have to spend time relearning slayer execute since I can’t spam anymore

Rip my rage gen days

[slender sonnet]

if I get it

got my drum on mastery atm. Might change it to haste

[olive nest]

That’s kinda like a guidon as haste

[slender sonnet]

yeah

[rapid bronze]

is the weekly affix bugged or something this week? I've seen the emissary pop up once in every dungeon and never again

[olive nest]

Yes it’s bugged

Doesn’t appear

[rapid bronze]

is the emissary scared of all the arms warriors flooding keys this week do you think?

[slender sonnet]

I put it on mastery cause it was kinda like a 🇧uzzle 🇧ox

[reef prairie]

God I hate puzzle box

[slender sonnet]

yup

it's very highly cringe

[dim basalt]

Use guidon and accept to do a little less damage

[slender sonnet]

all demon hunters do is lie

[delicate obsidian]

arms sims patchy 1target still?

[verbal jacinth]

I see a lot of warriors on rio who are colossus. Is it just for raid or are some playing it in m+?

[minor gust]

Both specs are good for M+ play what's more fun to you

[delicate obsidian]

id assume drop gaze(normal) for COEE as arms?

[umbral badger]

is gaze good for that ? it is simming so low for me i stopped even needding on ti

[delicate obsidian]

gaze bad for arms it seems

so im swapping it for COEE

[umbral badger]

it's 0.1% upgrade from cruicible

lol

like HEROIC gaze is 0.1% upgrade

crazy stuff

[slender sonnet]

wtf is coee

[umbral badger]

i don't even know what is COEE lol can't comprehend the shortcut

[minor gust]

That acronym is alluding me what's coee. Arms bis trinkets are gonna be heart from 2nd boss and plume

[umbral badger]

my zug zug brain is bad with that kinda thing

[umbral badger]

yes sirrrr

[slender sonnet]

I suppose

[umbral badger]

ahh i mean cruicible is almost same as heroic gaze, so you can just leave HC gaze for ppl who need it in your guild

[umbral badger]

i am now wondering if puzzle box can work in m+ for dungeons wiht giga big pulls where you need burst

gonna get puzzlebox later for that

to experimetn

[slender sonnet]

🤢

[umbral badger]

.<

[minor gust]

Puzzlebox is good yeah for Colo, but tbh first boss trinket is much better.

1:30 CD macro into ravager

Call it a day

[slender sonnet]

gg

[rare kite]

idk first boss trinket is haste tho, rather have the giga mastery

[umbral badger]

yea i called dibs on it for when no one needs it anymore xd

[slender sonnet]

Im claiming it first

in my guild

[umbral badger]

haste is good for now, maybe it will be lower value in 12.0.5

[slender sonnet]

fuck everyone else

[umbral badger]

cuz in 12.0.5 demos would love some more dmg

but then agian we will have new shit

[slender sonnet]

I think I passed it on normal cause I didnt realise it was good

but also only normal

[minor gust]

The haste isn't bad let's you get your shit off faster and likely is enough to give you 100% Cs uptime in aoe

And it just being significantly easier of an on use to use

[umbral badger]

if anything haste sims for my char very closely and sometimes higher than crit , only exception is when things die too fast then mastery wins probably

[minor gust]

Puzzlebox being 2 min makes things annoying

[slender sonnet]

Not even to mention the cast time

[umbral badger]

haste = or > than crit most of the times **

but to be fair that's cuz i have 900000 trillion crit

[rare kite]

it's hard to sim a damage window like that tho in a dungeon

[slender sonnet]

and needing to have a dedicated button for puzzle box

shit trink

[umbral badger]

yea most of those things in dungeons and changing situations are more of a perception thing than sims

[slender sonnet]

No ring sims better than my current occlusion/omission champ pairing

[umbral badger]

like i would need ot know if the haste trinket will for example give me one more round of CS and demo per pull

[slender sonnet]

apart from

[umbral badger]

without having issue of not having it next pull

[umbral badger]

yes, i farmed htem yesterday cuz they were 2% upgrade from my hero rings

[slender sonnet]

this shit

[umbral badger]

was surprised

[slender sonnet]

I need to farm them on hero

as well as uh

seat

[wind hatch]

target farming items in m+ is the most painful shit ever

[slender sonnet]

yup

[umbral badger]

bro i am at like 80 m+

to get my shit

[safe island]

does rage generate better if i keep rend applied?

[umbral badger]

i am at 275 ilevel but took me 80 mthics or some shit

or 70

[slender sonnet]

I need the gloves from seat on hero, I need the two rings from nexus point and then I need a belt

doesn't matter what belt cause Im gonna catalyst it anyway but

[wind hatch]

yes but its not significant in single target

in aoe it is

[safe island]

multi target is much easier i think

single target is really really hard

colo arms

[rare kite]

i mean st is ez as well. you just do no damage

[slender sonnet]

how

[umbral badger]

if you get proper items u can use all yoru crests basically

[slender sonnet]

tbf I've still got 80 hero crests and 110 myth creasts

[verbal jacinth]

Aight sick Thank

[slender sonnet]

if I get a myth item

my ilvl will skyrocket

[umbral furnace]

Good afternoon everyone, how are you? I'm thinking of switching from paladin to warrior, but I wanted to know if the warrior has good sustain in solo/open world content?

[minor gust]

Yes especially as fury or obviously prot

[olive nest]

276 ilvl here I was given two myth pieces in raid and only spent crests on 3/6 or 4/6 heroic gear

[abstract sphinx]

Cleave procs a slam

[slender sonnet]

holy

he's huge

[olive nest]

Need the ilvl to carry the noober yk

[slender sonnet]

yy real

[livid cloak]

I'm only 263

[wind hatch]

lock in big man

[minor gust]

I still need to upgrade my myth heart but I think I'm around 276

[livid cloak]

Its tough, I always fall behind first few weeks, I dont do myth raid and only get a bit to play each week (kids + job) but I usually can catch up after a few myth items from vault

Then its Sean time

[wind hatch]

i've spent all my crests and im at 274

im not getting shit from loot council

[livid cloak]

Ive only earned like 100 myth crests and 80 of them went into my weapon

[minor gust]

[livid cloak]

I'm off tmrw though so as long as I dont get caught napping too much I can hopefully grind out some crests

[umbral badger]

tbh there is no point for ppl to save hero crests they become less relevant or useless after the next week so in like 12 days

so as long as one has a good hero piece might as well use crests on it

[olive nest]

Well, save them for 3/6 pieces atleast

[nova marsh]

Tbh there's not rrally a reason to save now that we're past initial weeks

[junior hatch]

seeing more peeps play slayer in M+ on murlok.gg? is it performing better atm?

[nova marsh]

Its easier to play in pugs

[olive nest]

It does more boss damage and comparable aoe to other specs

[minor gust]

Both are good play. What's more fun to you

[olive nest]

Also they just saw biz show up in a 17 as slayer so they all swap to it instantly

[nova marsh]

I look forward to slayer in keys tbh

[olive nest]

Copy cats

[junior hatch]

gotcha! im noticing my demolish missing sometimes when tanks move randomly

[nova marsh]

It felt pretty bad in tww when I tried it (didnt play s3)

[latent moss]

its much better than tww

reap on sd really really helps

[hexed saddle]

@stable fiber what are ravager timings like on paladins

cant see it on lorrgs

[nova marsh]

And not needing jugg too

[dim basalt]

Why are we 57

[slender sonnet]

yeah true actually

i've just not sent them yet

[stable fiber]

Think it's like pull, 130, 330, 530

[hexed saddle]

assuming u just use it to line with cs/avatar

/3 targ groupings

[minor gust]

For Gio the current best warrior of mythic Chim

[slender sonnet]

I sent hero crests. holding myth crests for trink

[stable fiber]

Yeah

[hexed saddle]

makes sense

[stable fiber]

You want it up for the 5min 3 target grouping

[dim basalt]

What a beast

[stable fiber]

You do insane dps when you have cleave execute and pot with all cds on 3t

Could be worth asking for pi

[hexed saddle]

we'll see

i havent played arms legitimately since nyalotha

going to be a considerable amount of rust to shake off

[minor gust]

Since Nyalotha

Might as well not break the streak and send the thane

[hexed saddle]

ive received instruction

i must play arms

[minor gust]

Cursed

[tiny sable]

depleted first 16, sadge

[olive nest]

Must play arms!?

[dire hinge]

this is good news, we can finally be who we are meant to be

[olive nest]

Sounds like a win

[hexed saddle]

i havent enjoyed arms since legion

[olive nest]

It’s funky to play right now, probably in for a treat

[hexed saddle]

it seems kinda aids

idk i need to farm out some crit gear so gonna try to get used to it in m+

specifically the crit ring from pit

[olive nest]

Best dungeon to farm

[hexed saddle]

then recraft embellished

[olive nest]

Just big damages perma

[hexed saddle]

arms prio damage legit just comes from fob right

[minor gust]

Pretty much

[hexed saddle]

like thats reason why you do giga dam if you pull stuff on bosses

[livid cloak]

Yes

[dire hinge]

FoB and mixing in Mortal Strikes

[minor gust]

Tier let's you have extended CS but the dmg is mostly from fob

[hexed saddle]

NODDERS

[dire hinge]

in AoE you're basically spamming Cleave > MS > Op
Priority damage comes from targeting the mob and both your FoB and MS going crazy style on it

[minor gust]

50% buff to HS and almost 90% CS uptime. Arms funnel go hard

[hexed saddle]

wait thats insane

the fuck

[thick kelp]

:o

[hexed saddle]

ok maybe this will be fun

[dire hinge]

[minor gust]

Yup being able to hit 3+ basically doubles your boss dmg due to tier fob and apex

Some good shit

[dire hinge]

yeee bc FoB consumes your HS procs

dont even gotta press it babyyyy

[hexed saddle]

yeah was just gonna say

and then 2t u just press on proc?

[dire hinge]

yuppers!

on 2t you just do Single Target rotation with Sweeping Strikes rolling

[minor gust]

2T you will weave in cleaves too at x3 collat stacks

[hexed saddle]

yeah i read about that

[dire hinge]

and in m+ you'll almost always have Sweeping Strikes up between CS giving you stacks and SS itself refreshing the stacks in between.

[hexed saddle]

is there any reason for me to track EP?

as colossus specifically

[dire hinge]

I still track it for boss fights

but never worry about it in AoE basically

I dont really press Execute in AoE tbh

[hexed saddle]

ok i think im just gonna replace my EP tracker with CD then

i tailored my UI for fury where u literally dont track anything

like i have reck and avatar and thats it

SD procs

[dire hinge]

tracking Colossal Might is healthy for sure though

most the time you're sending with max stacks, but when you're going in cold it's good to know when you're maxed at 10

[olive nest]

Bro if I even remotely mention wanting pi I think the hunters on my team would go absolutely ape shit

[hexed saddle]

yeah i ahve colossal might, SS where i put whirlwind, rend in place of enrage, CS duration, and CD now

[dire hinge]

a crisp 1 gold under the table will change your priest's mind

[wind hatch]

just join a worse guild and they have no choice but to PI you

that's the play

[crisp mesa]

Slayer is too much fun, never touching colossus again...

[slender sonnet]

fuck hunters fucking furries

[olive nest]

[slender sonnet]

ignore my pfp

when I say that

[olive nest]

That’s where I went wrong somehow got on the roster of a team full of players better than me

[dire hinge]

you had me goin for a second

[slender sonnet]

furries smh

[dire hinge]

actually yeah cat ears gang

[slender sonnet]

hell yeah

[shut token]

will more haste give me faster / more healing from the fueled by violence talent?

[dire hinge]

technically yes, but it's gonna be insignificant

[steep citrus]

nice! my ilvl skyrocketed using myth crests

[halcyon valve]

im coming to terms with slayer in keys, decent aoe, much better single target than colossus, yeah it is what it is

[steep citrus]

lookin pretty good rn

[latent moss]

no cause u dont have imp exe

so exe has a cd

its extremely unlikely u press 3 executes without casting ms at some point

[stable fiber]

its pretty gross how much funnel this spec has

[latent moss]

yep

i will miss this tierset for sure

hope it makes its way to the tree honestly

[stable fiber]

worst st -> best st if you have 2 other targets

feel like that never happens

even like arcane mage last xpac didnt gain this much

[latent moss]

ye funnel specs usually require a lot of targets

i think at least i could be wrong

i only play warrior so

fob is just insane tbh

[thick kelp]

bigsmile

[latent moss]

50% on hs is nuts

then u get colossal might stacking

and tierset

and collat and bloodsurge (lol)

[latent moss]

how does bloodsurge work

[minor gust]

They never do so I doubt it

[latent moss]

they do for other classes

bigsmile

[minor gust]

Yeah just not for us

[thick kelp]

that bs sqrt scaling

[latent moss]

ic

[hexed saddle]

how often do i realistically need to press rend

[slow saddle]

19 seconds

[hexed saddle]

for paladins is it deadass just press on pull and get carried by mortal wounds

oh i guess thats just DW

[minor gust]

Nah you gotta keep refreshing rend till 35%

[hexed saddle]

so every 19s outside of execute

cringe

[latent moss]

refreshing rend ye

[hexed saddle]

fuck that ability

[minor gust]

It's iconic!

[latent moss]

^

[slow saddle]

And ironic

[latent moss]

[slow saddle]

Also i like it. Just add some interaction

[hexed saddle]

i gotta do this fuck ass fight on a spec i havent played in a decade with puzzle box and its the hardest fight in the raid

[minor gust]

If only we had a sick nasty tier set that let us auto cast big TCs on SD to apply rend for us

[latent moss]

true

[slow saddle]

Ikr

[thick kelp]

Wait till you realize beloren is an arms fight too

[latent moss]

beloren is slayer tho no

[thick kelp]

yeah but arms

[stable fiber]

could see colo

also

[latent moss]

ye but i feel like

if u havent played arms in a while

u will struggle more as colo

[stable fiber]

for sure

[hexed saddle]

lets be honest, laura is an arms fight too

5 arms fights

[candid pecan]

hell yeah

[slow saddle]

Imagine if

[nova briar]

What is the best build for m+ for arms at the moment? The one on wowhead?

[slow saddle]

Arms was tuned well

Holy fuck we would cranck

Crank

[old glacier]

How big is the jump from 12 to 14 keys?

[sharp wyvern]

what does tuned well mean tho

we are pumping in m+ already

[stable fiber]

slayer gameplay is deadass so resident sleeper outsid execute

idk how people find that hero talent fun

LOL

[minor gust]

SD reap goes hard

[thick kelp]

real

[sharp wyvern]

isnt collossus even slower

[thick kelp]

sf

[stable fiber]

its not speed

[sharp wyvern]

idk man i cant stand colossus ST gameplay

[stable fiber]

it feels like you push 0 buttons as slayer that do any damage

its worthless

[slow saddle]

I think slayer

[tiny sable]

id like to beat tanks on bosses in keys

[slow saddle]

Ms slaps

[stable fiber]

you do

as colo

if you arent you are playing it wrong

[tiny sable]

yeah, was memeing, but i feel like slayer does st that isnt miserable

[stable fiber]

its miserable to play

boring ass spec

[thick kelp]

Yall arent reasy for the 0.5 patch where colossus is the best warrior spec

[stable fiber]

need colo to be better in st

[tiny sable]

im with u there

[stable fiber]

because holy shit its infinitly better to play

[thick kelp]

idk if the m+ build simming a few % better is real

its like -25% aoe for +5.6% st

to go slayer

[olive nest]

God I am so ready you don’t even know

[minor gust]

I am ready that's why I'm playing as much slayer as I can

[haughty zinc]

colo is boring af. give me my random procs

[stable fiber]

its funny

[olive nest]

I hit the target dummy for 5 minutes as slayer and realized I wasn’t going to play that shit unless I absolutely had too

[stable fiber]

because colo has MORE random procs

then slayer

xdd

[rapid bronze]

if I could bladestorm in colossus instead of that cringe ass ability ravager I would never play slayer in keys

[haughty zinc]

it...doesnt?

[stable fiber]

it does

[olive nest]

It actually does

[stable fiber]

ms resets, overpower resets, ms crits are a proc that reduce demolish cdr, sudden death

ms crits arent a proc i guess

[olive nest]

Also still procs HS

[minor gust]

Slayer in keys plays BLord too

[stable fiber]

but its still rng

[rapid bronze]

GODS WE WERE STRONG THEN

[minor gust]

So proc wise they should be the same

[haughty zinc]

none of those are colo procs lol wtf

just warrior stuff

[stable fiber]

yes...

[slow saddle]

Y like raids pretty good for arms

[stable fiber]

it has more

and its shared with slayer

[slow saddle]

We just have no dmg

[stable fiber]

it plays blord in everything

[olive nest]

False

[haughty zinc]

except slayer has slayer strike and random reaps

[olive nest]

Arms does tons of damage

Just know how to play it

[stable fiber]

you dont feel random reaps

so

[slow saddle]

I mean it doesnt do a ton of st

[stable fiber]

or slayer strikes

[slow saddle]

Thats just wrong

[haughty zinc]

i asked for random procs, never said id feel them

dont twist the narrative

arms is just a bunch of mods making your MS hit like a reasonably stiff wet noodle

[reef prairie]

Who up twistin they narrative 👀

[stable fiber]

me

[stable fiber]

that makes sense

i kinda assumed it would be stuff that you would feel

[haughty zinc]

but yeah, sadly, slayer seems to be dead if they dont revert the .05 changes

[stable fiber]

slayer needs SD to proc more

it feels like its missing a button outside of execute

[olive nest]

Just wish they’d give it infinite rage bar again

[slow saddle]

Yes

[olive nest]

Never was a fan of the rage dance

[slow saddle]

Problem now is hs rly

[olive nest]

I know it’s always been like that for the most part but still

Just feels better when we don’t have to think about rage as much

[slow saddle]

They added a rage spender

Took away rage gain

If hs was free like sd would help a bit

Also exe should prob be 30 rage

[analog flare]

does anyone have the macro to cast ravager on cursor

grabbed it and followd info on wowhead but not working

idk what im doing wrong

[sand totem]

its not a point n click, it targets your enemy now

[analog flare]

ah ok ty

[slow saddle]

But anyways give me Arms where rage is somewhat balanced Utter bliss

problem atm is

Playing well actually can make u starved

[sweet tangle]

yup pretty much. at this point id rather rage be cosmetic than have to micro manage my rage. i almost feel like i have better rage gen in classic/tbc than i do in retail. feels bad man

[left shard]

bro is it normal that i do 37k dps in st with colossus ...

in m+

[dire hinge]

yuhhhh

Colossus single target mad doo doo

big Aoe makes up for it

[hot current]

i mean i am hitting like 23-24k with ms without cds on st... with 267 ilvl, sooo i would say we are so weak

idk is it forbidden to buff ms, it feels like it need something massive, like 50% or smth

[toxic socket]

the bigg issue with arms is rage regen

[slow saddle]

yup

we need OP to give us some rage

OR for Execute = auto op proc

that could also salvage it

[toxic socket]

i have just done a night of slayer M+ and it feels so much nicer that demo atm. but yeah, i fine myself sat there on ST here and there doing nothing but AA

[slow saddle]

yeah so step one

Get a BLUE friend

that helps a lot

u will notice any warrior video with arms has a blue boy in it

[leaden ice]

[frozen ginkgo]

I checked wowhead but didn't see any changs (and don't see a pin here). Is colossus allowed to execute now with the buff? Or still only with proc?

[fervent cedar]

Heart pog

[leaden ice]

yeah, I have it one normal already and taking a non mythic track item feels so wrong xd

[frozen ginkgo]

delve drums sim higher for me than heart

[keen siren]

playing slayer in mplus do u just spam execute when they get to 20 percent

whats the prio

execute still doesnt feel like it does much dmg

[steep osprey]

I don't think you just spam Execute. There are passives like EP that discourage that

In AoE, you do want to use Execute whenever Sudden Death procs

[boreal remnant]

they added a default miss metric to heart in sims, so it went down a lot in sim value

[olive nest]

Well context kind of matters also

Maybe you want to funnel ep ms into prio target by only executing the lower health mob

[minor ivy]

that hook is 2nd for us on bloodmallets 5t for some reason, doesn't sim well for me

[boreal remnant]

bloodmallet says nothing about how good something is for you, it just says how common it is that people use it

follow your sim

ignore bloodmallet as a whole 99% of the time

[minor ivy]

it just says how common it is?

idk about that

[keen siren]

do u bs in st?

[boreal remnant]

yes

[keen siren]

so basically do u only press ececute when u have a proc

u dont spam that shjit when theyre bwlow 20 pecent?

[dim basalt]

Why do people still use bloodmallet in 2026

My god lol

[dim basalt]

People really do anything but get the most precise answer by simming

[olive nest]

It’s because people want to know what to seek

[dim basalt]

seek dn

[safe dagger]

is this correct for overall for slayer arms?

[olive nest]

Top gear doesn’t tell you what to seek

[boreal remnant]

neither does bloodmallet

[minor ivy]

yits actually v understandable XD saves a lot of time + I said I simmed anyway, just pointing it out that its weird it ranks that hoko well

[boreal remnant]

you sure as hell don't want to seek out a hook because it lists well for 5t

[olive nest]

Also true lol

[dim basalt]

I dont remember the last time bloodmallet was somewhat accurate

It just never is

[olive nest]

I’m just saying that’s why people look at bloodmallet

[minor ivy]

okay well the rest of the trinkets around the top are somewhat corret, so

[dim basalt]

Same with things like archon etc

Well in the case of archon is that its just a popularity summary

[minor ivy]

All I know is, ima be using heart for the size increase for the whole season idc if it's not technically #1

[olive nest]

Heart owns

[dim basalt]

That ones really good tho

[olive nest]

Big Crit

[minor ivy]

Yea I know its v good haha

[steep citrus]

this was mine in the 14 MT i just did

[delicate obsidian]

my 12 MC

[steep osprey]

I randomly saw that you were playing LE

Were you?

[dim basalt]

yee

Havent played a whole lot the past 2 days though

Bladedancer enjoyer

[steep osprey]

Oh same

I'm playing both sentinel and rogue

Was playing judgement to get gear for Warpath lol

Took a long time

[dim basalt]

Im just a bit slow with pushing corruption

:(

[candid pecan]

HOLY, I met a bigbrain dk tank, he controlled the undead mob in Pit of Saron which has the 4 adds that dont die, and pulled them on Garfrost, look boss dmg, loook

big Funnel

[shadow ibex]

lmao

[sharp wyvern]

pls dont let them fix it

MDI is gonna be interesting stacking 4 DKs

[olive nest]

That is actually sick wow

[latent moss]

axxaxxaxaax

from 10 maisara to 17

[olive nest]

Do the mobs just afk or do they still cast the big explosion?

[latent moss]

i reset my details unlucky but man

colo on 2nd boss

is crazy

the funnel

insane

@minor gust 17 nexus

slayer time

no skyfury tho

i prayge i own on st anyway

[steep osprey]

Same

[amber sable]

Haven't played warrior in a while now, do we as arms not use thunderlcap anymore and do we still try to multidot rend on multiple enemies?

[latent moss]

rend is aoe

[amber sable]

ok i cant read

and I've been looking through guides searching for the last 20 minutes ty man

[raw sapphire]

how do i get my 6th spark of radiance?

[mild sierra]

Finish campaign or talk to the NPC on the bed by innkeeper in Silvermoon. Then you get quest from the Lorthemae guy

If thats his name

[steep osprey]

By sending me a doner kebab

[steep osprey]

Lorthemar

Wrong last letter only

[mild sierra]

That was a typo 🤓

[main bear]

are the 3/31 buffs reflected in the APL yet?

[steep osprey]

They should be

[minor ivy]

For slayer, if we get BS off cd fast enough that it comes up during a CS window but like 30 sec before avatar, just send it and not have it for avatar?

[drowsy fiber]

so arms still ass

?

[vapid goblet]

ye

warrior is still ass

tbh

[fresh spire]

Arms needs a little more ST, aoe is super strong though

[steep osprey]

Arms isn't ass

[steep osprey]

A little more ST buffs and you'll start losing that precious strong aoe

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[honest ermine]

ANY one tried slayer mplus spec yet

[limpid lotus]

Slarms owns

[steep osprey]

Yeah they did

There's a video on YouTube from Bizentein where he's playing it

[sand totem]

I was a little helter skelter about it, but the aoe damage profile versus purely front cone has been a godsend

[halcyon valve]

I got my 3k m+ rating today playing slayer arms

Its unexpectedly strong

I dont really like that reap is such a big source of damage instead of your actual abilities, but the dmg is really good

[whole kettle]

Are there any recommendations around the crafted hunt trinket? I won't be myth raiding so it seems bis if I can craft it at 285

At least according to some sims

[fresh spire]

when you find the monkey paw in phasmo

:evil:

[wide pebble]

What is prio with no sweeping strike stacks: cleave on 2 tar or MS on 1? Haven’t played arms yet since the expac launched. Thank you 🙏

And is this affected by crushing combo?

[vernal agate]

slayer arms is the way IMO

was crushing 12s earlier

[odd vale]

hey fellow brothers in arms whats better dimond the Indecipherable Eversong Diamond or the powerful one ?

[fervent cedar]

[honest ermine]

yea i think i just need more gear tbh

[fervent cedar]

You're pretty much always going to have Sweeping strike charges because CS gives you some

And youre getting cdr from AM

[wide pebble]

@fervent cedar Ok, and what about when vanguard is all stacked, it’s still MS with SS > Cleave, right?

I’m sure I could do the napkin math with the tooltips but wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing some nuance

[fervent cedar]

My understanding is based on target count

Generally speaking as colossus you cleave prio on 3+ targets and follow priorities with SS active to build collateral damage and cleave again

On two or 1 target you follow the ST prio

MS OP HS and fill with cleave, unless you have ravager active, then you MS and prio cleave while ms is on cd

Its all on wowhead

[wide pebble]

Thanks man, much appreciated!

[fervent cedar]

Np

[umbral badger]

man so far this expansion is not going very well for me i feel like every fking fight you need a spec or some shit and it's confusing me lol

last expansion was much easier and more straightforward to choose your talents every fight

[fervent cedar]

Arms is just really cursed in this raid

Because we have to choose between aoe and ST way more than fury

Every fight has adds, but not enough and not meaty enough to justify going into a more aoe centric build

But theyre still important and they need to die fast

[umbral badger]

and you either do a lot of adds dmg or you do zero adds dmg it feels like

and if you try to play around in your talents , becuase there are so many talents to make the AoE work but it does not work without all the talents almost, you either do zero boss dmg with the aoe build or you do zero add dmg with the boss build

and if you sort arms warriors based on boss dmg, the ones with boss dmg are doing very very low AoE they are almost useuless for the "swap" if the swap is needed "

and even then their boss dmg is too low compared to other classes

and then if you look at the top overall warriors they are doing almost zero boss dmg

it's crazy

[main wing]

alright u sound strange^

[stable fiber]

i think colossus is playable on a lot of these fights

but yeah you do sac boss damage

[hushed topaz]

I played colossus on first boss to pad adds, everything else I just played slayer

The amount of talents you have to swap to do decent aoe/ST is rough I agree

[leaden garnet]

Anyone know what page Biz is running in this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfv3zd1O5UM

[tepid hull]

It's in his discord

[keen siren]

When you pop ur big cds as slayer in mplus, do u usually use ur cleaves first or bladestorm first?

Like after u avatar and smash

Do u cleave then bs or bs then cleave after

[latent moss]

cleave/sd exe then bs

[polar drum]

Slayer feels a lot better for me as war. Is the gap from colossus noticeable in m+?

[latent moss]

imo in aoe yes

but the gap is also very noticeable in st

slayer does a lot more

[polar drum]

ah

I don’t like ravager lol

[keen siren]

Slayer aoe is not bad tho but colossus is better aoe and shit single target

Slayer is ok aoe ok single target

I think

[latent moss]

in terms of which one is objectively stronger

if u can pull on top of boss

colo for sure

[polar drum]

Do I use cleave as much with slayer?

[latent moss]

yes

[keen siren]

I just feel like executes dmg sucks still

[minor gust]

Nxp and SR my fav slayer keys cuz not much to pull on bosses xD

[honest ermine]

what do you guys run on paladins col

or slayer mplus

[dire hinge]

colossus usually

you can check Warcraftlogs for the difficulty you're trying to beat it on and see the breakdown between hero trees

lmao nvm, it's 100% Colossus across all difficulties

[split laurel]

can hammers be leaped during lightbound council?

doesn't seem that shields can

[abstract sphinx]

I struggled with this then realized I have not skipped the campaign on my character, you need to skip the campaign (or finish it I guess) and then pick up the Midnight World Tour quest which will give you the spark you are missing

[sand totem]

I was trying colossus for paladins but it seemed so fucking hectic I normally only had uptime on 2 at a time, so I just rolled slayer. Definitely took a hit om the parse though 🙁

[minor gust]

theres gonna be times when its just two but your bigger cds will line up when all 3 come back together. Also Colo does more 2T anyways than slayer so keep playing colo

[sand totem]

Oh colo does more 2t cleave? Aight bet

But it genuinely felt like they were together for like... 20% of the time lmao

[minor gust]

idk maybe your tanks are being silly and pulling them out earlier than they need to be, and you got dumbass ranged baiting the other one to charge to africa

[nova marsh]

....I am both

impressed by the fact that computation addons are basically still possible

and just find that hilarious

[karmic reef]

Arms kinda goated for mythic saladbar

[minor gust]

yee if you got a lot of little orbs to pad on try the Walhe cook. Powerful sweep, FOB, Collat

get some big WWs in

[karmic reef]

oh I could try that next week

Just went momentum+broad stroke

[minor gust]

[abstract sphinx]

guys why do we cleave at 35% hp or under on ST slayer?

[fossil thistle]

You. Do in multitarget, not ST

[minor gust]

Says it right here

realistically you would only press it in that 35% - 20% window. Sub 20% you will move on to normal execute rotation

[abstract sphinx]

oh

its because of "Mass Execution" talent

[minor gust]

yes

big cleave modifier

[abstract sphinx]

bruh priority is so confusing xD

or im stupid

[fossil thistle]

B final answer

[abstract sphinx]

specially when swapping between hero talents

[fossil thistle]

👀

Arms is easy because it follows basic flow charts

[minor gust]

play around hit some dummies its not that complicated once you start to get a feel for it

[abstract sphinx]

i dont have a problem pumping and I do have ageneral understanding but i just wanna min max ST

cause our ST in m+ is depressing

[fossil thistle]

You don’t go into M+ expecting to top st charts

[minor gust]

it shouldnt be if you are playing slayer

Slayer ST in keys is good

[fossil thistle]

Can easily do 130k overall and do 40k on bosses

[abstract sphinx]

ye but you dont want to greif your team either

[fossil thistle]

You make up for it on trash 🤷‍♂️

[abstract sphinx]

if only tanks pull adds on boss

than col arms would be S tier

[minor gust]

another reason to play slayer instead!

[abstract sphinx]

I have

[west estuary]

I tried arms slayer, but it just felt bad compared to fury, I want to like it though

[abstract sphinx]

bladestorm dopamine hits different as well

huh

I do more dps on arms slayer

i think

than fury

[minor gust]

certainly is a take considering this is the most fun slayer has been for arms

but everyone is different

[west estuary]

I don't have the crit/haste to back it up though, maybe would have been better with more.

[abstract sphinx]

Btw do you ever pool rage for the next pack? Sometimes i go through a rage starved period in a dungeon where it feels like absolute shit and I have no clue why that happens

I have decent rend uptime

And i try to get my mele uptime upthere as well

[minor gust]

I dont really feel the need to as slayer, but colo I will make sure to pool a bit of rage before sending cds going into a pack

[fervent cedar]

Nice lil heroic 100 by ilvl

P3 dragons is pretty fun

[abstract sphinx]

Good shit brodie

[abstract sphinx]

Hmmm noted

[minor gust]

that reminds me to check if anyone has beaten my insane dragons pull xD I see people are getting close

[fervent cedar]

I think you still might be top

my overall parse was a 99 I knew I was close

[abstract sphinx]

Drop the tech boys 👀

[fervent cedar]

ah you got sniped by a chinese player

and one other guy

[minor gust]

@wind hatch Nah this king popped off

🐐

[fervent cedar]

simply hit both dragons during p3 and profit

[abstract sphinx]

do you ever hold cds for adds or just send insta

[fervent cedar]

On this pull I held bs for adds

[abstract sphinx]

wait u were playing slayer?

[fervent cedar]

yea

[wind hatch]

12 ilvls above you and 2 PIs was all it took

lmao

[fervent cedar]

Slayer is 100% the move on this fight

everyone wants to pad on those adds you're not getting colo value at all

[wind hatch]

yep

all you can really do to the adds is bladestorm and maybe sudden death if you have it

[fervent cedar]

yup

and I liked holding because sometimes you just dont get enough sd procs to get the bs cdr

[wind hatch]

I just send it on pull cuz unless you get lucky you only get 2 bladestorms for the phase anyway

so if you send it on the first you might not have it for the second

[fervent cedar]

I mean its either you send it on the first or you send it on the second, I guess bs on pull does make sense so you just send it on the second

feels so pointless in either case tho lol

felt like an accessory until p3

[wind hatch]

but p3 feels gooood

I cant wait for mythic dragons

[fervent cedar]

oh yeah

actually super fun

[minor gust]

Just send BS on pull

either you get lucky and have it for first set or you just wait till 2nd set

nbd

[fervent cedar]

also

unrelated when we did paladins today I swear to god I could not get rend off at the beginning

I just had no rage in my opener

I even tried waiting for MD just to make sure I wasn't rending into bubbles

but no rage

[last saddle]

mythic dragons the adds live long enough to pad can confirm

[fervent cedar]

and I fucked my opener several times

[silk lake]

stupid question wheres all your aoe come from, cleave plus the one that makes single target hit two targets instead?

[dire hinge]

basically yeah (sweeping strikes is the spell).
Cleave itself hits like a dumptruck thanks to a bunch of talents that buff it.
Then, every time Cleave hits 3+ targets it automatically casts a Slam on them as well (which Sweeping Strikes also affects)

[silk lake]

so you spam cleave in aoe and proc abilities

[dire hinge]

yup!

then both Cleave and Mortal Strike give us stacks that make Demolish hit harder and cooldown faster.

[silk lake]

and single target is mortal strike.

[dire hinge]

AoE is basically: Cleave > Mortal Strike > OP
Single target is basically: Mortal Strike > Execute > OP

(vastly oversimplifying)

even though Mortal Strike is single target, it can bet Swept to a 2nd target, making your Demolish stacks skyrocket and become available again sooner

[silk lake]

obviously you have heroic strike procs too and other things to keep the rage coming

[smoky kayak]

grats

I am so pissed off, I had two top 10 parses wipe at 1% on M tonight... and then on the kill our tank trolled us with gloom and I got got

[dire hinge]

so Heroic Strike is just Slam with a cool pair of sunglasses on.
In AoE, your Cleave will auto-cast Heroic Strike (and it can be swept to a second target!)
In Single target: you just press Slam when Heroic Strike procs, or as filler if not.

[minor gust]

surely you are playing some colo right?

[smoky kayak]

enjoying the while it lasts

[last saddle]

its actually nuts on the dragonballs

when u just get the procs over and over and the aviator lines up

[minor gust]

same here until slayer dies. Tho I at least saved SD reap. (hopefully blizzard doesnt forget to retune)

[winged gazelle]

surley arms on mythic dragons goes hard with the 2 target

[minor gust]

Its doing pretty well

[winged gazelle]

yea right does more boss dam too

[brazen jacinth]

in two target as arms, its better to cast MS over cleave right? Like if I'm playing lightguard paladins, I MS when 2 are stacked, and cleave when 3 are stacked?

[dire hinge]

correct, when it's 2 target, you just do the Single Target rotation, but with Sweeping Strikes active

[brazen jacinth]

wicked, ty ty

[dire hinge]

of course!

[wind hatch]

We all know blizzard never makes any mistakes when it comes to tuning

[minor gust]

[rare kite]

[safe island]

i think i just need to play slayer arms first.

colo arms too difficult

what if i have only 1 stack of executioner? press overpower and execute?

[minor gust]

Yes only press MS when you have two stacks

[safe island]

got it

colo arms too tough for me

[minor gust]

Slayer is pretty straightforward

[silk lake]

speen to win

[silk lake]

im having a hard time understanding the selling point of arms.

a lot of work for meh damage... unless im missing something.

[nova marsh]

So is blizzard

[minor gust]

a lot of work?

[nova marsh]

I'm not sure arms....really has a selling point for a super strong niche outside of fights literally tailor made for them

[minor gust]

just press cleave

[nova marsh]

Also honestly mate....Arms is pretty straightforward

[slow saddle]

Dmg cam be increased!