arms

[stable fiber]

so its prob not a lie

oh the sim also has lower ilvl wrists

w/e

and trinket

[dire hinge]

It’s a bit more nuanced, you also want to OP any time you’re below 90(?) rage or something like that. But yes you still want 2x EP stacks from execute before sending an MS.

In practice it’s a lot more varied than exe/exe/MS, sometimes it’s like four or five spells in between at times

We might have some other APL adjustments too, I’ve been swamped at work and haven’t been able to keep on top of the changes this week

[languid torrent]

ok good to know, i need to get a good log and have yall tear me apart because in m+ im crushing it, but in raid man it feels like im always 10-15 MS behind everyone else and just kinda shit damage across the board

[dire hinge]

Sure thing! You’re always welcome to post bad logs too, nobody really minds 🙂 we are all friends here trying to help each other out

[languid torrent]

well i mean a log where i didnt die

[dire hinge]

I get like, one arms review post every four days lmao

[languid torrent]

[dire hinge]

Hahaha valid

[languid torrent]

i died on our vorasius kill so im hoping tonight we get into saladbar and i can post something

[dire hinge]

Also love the name btw, I had their Shoppe album on vinyl somewhere

[gentle frigate]

Wait so does the 4 piece do nothing for slayer???

[languid torrent]

oh yea, been listening to them for years!

[dire hinge]

Why wouldn’t it work for slayer?

[gentle frigate]

OMG I read it wrong

Disregard I am an idioit

[lethal acorn]

It's called COLOSSUS Smash, not Slayer Smash, duh!

[dire hinge]

Hahaha no worries!

WoWs obsession with two-word spell names gets me all the time

[stable fiber]

dude arms gets all cds back with pot

with execute cleave

on paladins

this spec is gonna crank

[full mulch]

is there an addon or something that could tell me when my sweeping strikes hit another target?

[hushed topaz]

Blizz CDM keeps track of your sweeping strike stacks left, is that what you are looking for?

[minor gust]

if your stacks go down then you are hitting another target

[full mulch]

well, I want to know when I hit a secondary target with it

[minor ivy]

Is the slayer multitarget opener and colossus st opener gonna be in the guide soon?

[minor gust]

That is an Archimtiros question

[minor ivy]

yea idk - someone else here knew about when the guide was being updated, i can figure it out + watch vods anyway

[minor gust]

I can also just tell you what they are if you want

[minor ivy]

despite seeing it in vods, i wont believe slayer st is good until i can do it XD

im so used to doing aug boss dps

[full mulch]

I think the blizz sound alert only works when debuff is completely gone right? it doesnt work when I lose a single stack

[earnest imp]

my single target is sooo trash in keys wow

[dire hinge]

the only way to tell is "stacks go down" right now.
You can visually alter the Cooldown Manager buff to make it look different, but what your asking for would require the ability to read the combatlog (ie: "a second target has been hit") which isn't allowed under these new rules Blizz has

so the closest you can get is making the buff look different, or maybe an addon that makes a sound when you lose stacks

[full mulch]

yeah, I'm trying to find something like that

[dire hinge]

i've got mine reskinned to be a progress bar that goes down as i consume stacks and it works pretty well, but the specific implementation is whatever works for your brain

[hushed hamlet]

Generally for raid, what pot do we use? Is it still Recklessness?

Or is it Light's Potential?

[vast hinge]

I’m usually neck and neck with the tank on bosses and end the dungeon top overall lol

[dire hinge]

Yellow bar on the left, for example

[dire hinge]

Light's Potential is more consistent and we swapped the default to use it recently. The Recklessness potion can get very wonky based on your secondary stats. To the point where like, a single piece of gear change can cause dps loss overall with Recklessness

[hushed hamlet]

ah, Thank you very much!

[dire hinge]

of course!

[austere rampart]

did the best build changed for arms

with the buff tyo execute

[dire hinge]

nope, same build for now

[austere rampart]

colo still bis?

[dire hinge]

Slayer is perfectly fine too!

[austere rampart]

for m+

[minor gust]

both are good play whats more fun

[dire hinge]

yup exactly

[austere rampart]

sims are lying?

[dire hinge]

less lying, more that simming for M+ is an extremely imperfect science

[earnest imp]

i am seeing some slayer builds in high keys, has anyone tried that over collosus?

[dire hinge]

Colossus might have higher overalls, but Slayer does perfectly fine (and even does far more boss damage than Colossus can)

[earnest imp]

any thoughts?

[dire hinge]

see above

[earnest imp]

oh you are yapping about it now haha

[minor gust]

both are good play whats more fun

[earnest imp]

slayer must have more ST right

[dire hinge]

absolutely yeah

[latent moss]

uhm akshually depends if u can let colo funnel

chatting

[earnest imp]

i think thats that play then on my pleb keys

[latent moss]

slayer kinda sucks in low keys from my experience

[robust sequoia]

so is arms better than fury now for keys?

[latent moss]

very flat damage

[minor gust]

Slayer has that same funnel too! just not as good

[latent moss]

no colossal might funnel

[dire hinge]

both are prefectly fine and have cleared +18 keys so it legitimately doesn't matter

unless you're pushing the world's highest key it wont really be a factor. Play whichever you're more comfortable with

[robust sequoia]

im just playing fury now bc i heard arms was trash but i like arms more

[latent moss]

imo arms is better

slarms is upgraded fury imo

[dire hinge]

Arms is certainly cooler

[latent moss]

u get aoe st but u also have much better prio dmg

[latent moss]

why does fishy cleave before bs on opener

[minor gust]

let that be a lesson in just play whats more fun

[robust sequoia]

im a meta slave bro i play everything

xd

[latent moss]

@fresh spire why cleave before bs

[minor gust]

would ask him

[latent moss]

idk u are the savior of slayer

thought u would know

xdd

[minor gust]

you know I never followed up with him after the cleave nerf

maybe it might not be better with that 10% nerf

[latent moss]

i simmed

its better

by an insignificant amount

but its better

for no reason

[minor gust]

yeah it makes no sense

[latent moss]

shouldnt it be worse cause u dont get damage amp from overwhelmed

[minor gust]

but its better!

cleave just that good

that losing a cast just sucks

[latent moss]

ye but u cleave anyway maybe its cause losing 1 cast

ye

tbh makes sense

[minor gust]

ye just 1 cast is lost if you send BS after CS

[latent moss]

yeah

[rapid bronze]

let's go 98 roll on heart of ancient hunger

[stable fiber]

i had such a bad pull

on our kill pull of paladins

zzz

the other time we got it to the like 6min mark

i was doing like 240k

then this time im only doing 200k

sadge

[full mulch]

which addon you use to create these bars?

[dire hinge]

ArcUI for the Rage, Sweeping Strikes, and Rend bars

the rest are just Action Bars

[full mulch]

I'm gonna check this one out

[dire hinge]

it's very wonky, but such is WoW UI now

[minor gust]

Such is the way of things

[stable fiber]

also deadass

if you dont use sweep at like 18 seconds prepull

your whole pull is fucked

its bricked

[minor gust]

xD why is that whats the line up?

[stable fiber]

its just that like

for 2 mins straight u pretty much rotate between sweep and cs sweep

and if you miss that then you have shit demo cdr

[rare kite]

we can prepull ss again?

[stable fiber]

which just means less damage overall

[minor gust]

yee

[stable fiber]

yeah

thank god

its mostly the cdr on demo you miss

[rare kite]

i assumed it didn't work so haven't tried

[spark harbor]

Dam my vault loves me

Just got my head tier piece at hero tier lol

I’ve been lazy af too dam

Lucky

[full mulch]

how to do this kind of bar? it's not very intuitive

[spark harbor]

Also I thought they said if u get the higher tier of a set piece u get the appearance of the lower tier? That doesn’t apply to vault ig? Only direct drops?

[dire hinge]

yupp, ArcUI is not intuitive

[spark harbor]

Oof

[dire hinge]

so all of these addons still require you to add the buff you want to track to the Cooldown Manager

i'll get a few basic screenshots together

[full mulch]

wait i got it now

i was trying to create a custom bar instead

[dire hinge]

Ah gocha, yeah, just a normal bar set to Stacks*

the kicker is you have to make two
one with and one without Improved Sweeping Strikes

[whole escarp]

Hey guys im still learning arms, do you ever use demolish outside of colosmash debuff even if sitting on 10 strength stacks

[dire hinge]

nah, hold it for Colossus Smash

in all content, you basically align your other major CDs for when Colossus Smash is available

[whole escarp]

Okay awesome thanks

[fallen eagle]

why no one taking thunderclap for m+, what am i missing

[stable fiber]

waste of talent points

its essentially 2 talents points for 4 extra yards of range on rend

[fallen eagle]

aoe rend is not the wet dream it sounds like?

[stable fiber]

rend is aoe now

lol

[dire hinge]

[minor ivy]

It's also still not a wet dream

[minor ivy]

let me introduce to you : Cleave

[stable fiber]

rend is pretty damn important still

gives you the rage needed to push cleave

[dire hinge]

in AoE yeah

[fallen eagle]

missed that it was aoe, crazy thx champs

[stable fiber]

np

[minor ivy]

It is yeah but I wouldn't call it a wet dream of mechanics

even with rend our rage regeneration is pretty unreliable

[stable fiber]

agreed but wcyd

[minor ivy]

hope blizzard realizes this and fixes it

JK - I cry in the shower

[polar drum]

So I probably need cleave on a good keybind? Especially if im doing m+ a lot.

Would you say i press it more than mortal strike and/overpower?

[stable fiber]

in m+ its the most pushed button

[dire hinge]

in AoE its basically your highest priority

[minor ivy]

mine is scrollwheel down

[stable fiber]

think most pushed buttons in m+ is like cleave > op > ms

op and ms pretty close

on bosses though you never push cleave much anymore

so OVERALL you push MS more

but if you mainly do M+ its by far the most important button to push constantly

[polar drum]

Damn thats messing me up for key binds lol.

And I probably need a decent one for slam? Is that like a few times for run or a few times per pull, esp bosses?

[stable fiber]

you push slam much less

i have cleave on R

[polar drum]

Even im ST?

[stable fiber]

yes

i do this weird thing where across all my characters buttons that are typically exclusive to aoe go on Q or R

but cleave is pushed too often for me to put it on Q

[polar drum]

Yeah I like consistency across Alts too lol

Also execute how does that mix in with the binds? Less than ms/op but more than slam?

[stable fiber]

yup

[polar drum]

Awesome Ty

[meager ginkgo]

we playing slayer now?

[stable fiber]

not a chance in hell lol

its not even really a nerf tbh

slightly nerfs the overall but makes our boss damage better in m+

and in raid

!

[wind hatch]

I see so many people running colossus on averzian but I genuinely think slayer is better

[stable fiber]

nah

better boss damage but idk

depends on what you need

slayer = boss damage

colo = add pad

[wind hatch]

in my raid the adds were dying pretty fast

so that's probably it

[stable fiber]

yeah

think arms is gonna be good on myth beloren lowkey

[minor gust]

Havent done it on heroic yet but most likely

theres gonna be some decent 2T if the birds got some hp

[stable fiber]

its 3t on mythic

xdd

[minor gust]

is it even better then xD

[stable fiber]

yes

i havent seen enough though

ill keep watching

[minor gust]

oh is liquid doing mythic rn?

[stable fiber]

birds + eggs = 150m hp

then it becomes 5 target

BRO

THIS BOSS

IS SO GOOD FOR COLO

HELLOOOO?

[minor gust]

Another colo fight

[stable fiber]

ok dont think it becomes 5t

but its 3t like 75% of the time

[rare kite]

if these changes go through i think most fights will be colo fights

[wind hatch]

Another colo fight

[rare kite]

the cdr is dumb af

[wind hatch]

[rare kite]

in a good way

[minor gust]

they stacked enough for cleave or spread not watching it

[stable fiber]

stacked ontop

of the boss

[minor gust]

well even before the recent colo buff slayer is just dead with the reap change in ST

[stable fiber]

need to see the intermission though

man the 2 adds line up with ravager at the end also

ravager + cs + demo on pull

avatar + cs + demo on first add spawn

all on 2nd add spawn

oh yeah this boss is gonna be good for arms

[vagrant cedar]

hi all, is there an arms guide on this discord?

[stable fiber]

wait maybe not

save ravager

avatar like 10 seconds into pull

[minor gust]

Meanwhile no dps warrior on liquid all MM for shame

[nova marsh]

We go off of wowhead mostly

[stable fiber]

MM just better in intermission probably

so

[nova marsh]

I...dont remeber where the faqs went

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715

[stable fiber]

but guilds that dont have 5 MM hunters you can sub them for a arms warrior

prob

[minor gust]

still there

[rare kite]

i mean this tier in general they just stack ranged

like crazy

[nova marsh]

Oh nevermind im just blind lol

[minor gust]

yeah MM is just better at doing what colo would do

[stable fiber]

mm is just a easier and slightly better version of colo arms

with stupid good cds so its better with aug and pi

[minor gust]

also being ranged

[stable fiber]

and ranged

[south heath]

Is there a place to see all warriors sims?

[minor gust]

there is but it hasnt been kept up to date since all the buffs

because not really a reason too

[wind hatch]

my raidleader just banned my priest from using PI on me

[stable fiber]

on what fight

there are like 2 scenarios where arms pi is like really fucking good

and its 3t cleave > 35% hp
and execute on a st boss

but anything else its worthless

only with all cds tho

[minor ivy]

wtf i just saw pi sims O.o

wtf did they do to WW to make it look like that rofl

[stable fiber]

strong 2m cds

[quiet bramble]

are colo and slayer even in M+?

[stable fiber]

nope

not even closely

[quiet bramble]

sonuva beech

[stable fiber]

k this intermission makes me think arms not that good

not enough st

[wind hatch]

chimaerus

[stable fiber]

ok that kinda makes snese

[wind hatch]

yeah I honestly agree with the decision loll

[polar drum]

Can I macro colossus smash with anything?

[stable fiber]

i wouldnt

[rare kite]

nah

no macros

[stable fiber]

only thing i would ever macro is 90 second trinkets with ravager in aoe

[polar drum]

I saw a heroic strike to overpower macro on a YT video. Dont do that either?

[minor ivy]

can interpose not be mouseover macro'd?

[nova marsh]

You can

But it breaks pretty frequently

[minor gust]

Called it

[minor ivy]

grats!

[nova marsh]

Frozen is gonna be such a giga gamer

[wind hatch]

lucky bastard

[minor gust]

nah im trash we had a .5% wipe which would have been a rank 2

then the next pull was kill and I was dead for 15 sec cuz I greeded a charge into doughnut rings without a main DR

ate a ring and adds exploded killed me

[wind hatch]

I missed rank 1 by a few hundred dps

[minor gust]

F

I somehow even when dead that pull for like 15 sec stil somehow clawed up to 89k for a shitty purple

Time to try Walhes Saladbar cook

[wind hatch]

whirlwind FoB?

[minor gust]

yee

with collat

[wind hatch]

let him coook

[split laurel]

Do we prio MS > Cleave on 2T when playing colossus on myth paladins? Cleave > MS when its 3 for sure

[wooden lava]

why does Gaze sim so awful for arms?

[minor gust]

cuz its not that good for arms

[wind hatch]

😲

[oblique falcon]

So is slayer back on the menu for M+? Looks like a lot of people are playing it, or are people mostly just testing?

[wind hatch]

colossus is still better but it's very competitive

and very fun

[oblique falcon]

I much prefer slayer tbh so if it's close then that's awesome

[minor gust]

yee its close enough you can play either one.

[wispy kettle]

Sudden death reaps tickle the brain in just the right way

[minor gust]

and yet there was a world where blizzard wanted to take that away

[wind hatch]

Luckily for us Frozenbozo SAVED Slayer by plugging his forum post everywhere

mod this guy NOW

[minor gust]

@hexed saddle Yeah I deserve to stay yellow!

[ripe field]

has raidbots been updated w/ the lastest arms buffs

[minor gust]

with the execute and op buffs yes

[oblique hinge]

hello Ive been playing fury for so long and picking up arms for the first time can someone kinda walk me through the rotation?

[rustic remnant]

Are we playing execute talents in m+ now with colossus? (I hope)

[minor gust]

no

[rustic remnant]

Damnit😭

I enjoy sniping execute targets on add packs

[minor gust]

then give slayer a try

[rustic remnant]

You ain’t wrong 🤣

Thanks for the response

Colo damage too good

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715
Start with any of the guides in here

[minor gust]

so is slayer

[thick kelp]

This went crazy good surely

[minor gust]

our tanks are very very bad it aint lookin good

[thick kelp]

eta gg, back to full ST talents

[minor gust]

its looking like just a powerful angle for my raid group

not really getting any fob/collat value

[thick kelp]

u will notice once got like 80 orbs chasing the boss

that u might need broads atleast

[minor gust]

maybe. Havent gotten to that part we only had 30 min to prog on it tonight and basically was just wiping before first intermission

[nova marsh]

OH THANK GOD

We're back to normal

I can stop thinking this is the rogue discord

[wind hatch]

GIVE ME MY YELLOW BACK

[wooden lava]

i wonder if the belo'ren trink drops consistently

[leaden garnet]

Why Fervor if no Cleave? I dun geddit

[minor gust]

Fervor works with WW as well

[tough fractal]

what guide are recommending for arms?

[nova marsh]

Wowhead but shouldn't matter too much

[tough fractal]

thanks!

[leaden garnet]

Right, but surely if there are enough targets to proc fervor then there are enough targets that cleave becomes worthwhile?

Or is this an issue with Slayer not having any Cleave synergy?

[minor gust]

cleave is a frontal WW is a 360 aoe

you aint hitting these orbs on mythic with cleave

[leaden garnet]

Ooooooh

I see I see

[sterile nexus]

very important question do you guys listen to backstreet boys when running dungeon content?

[leaden garnet]

It's the 180 degree SS, I understand

That's neat

[quiet bramble]

Did anyone beat delve ??boss as arms?

The nutella boss or watever it’s called

[wind hatch]

yes

[quiet bramble]

Damn

[wind hatch]

I beat nutella's ass

[quiet bramble]

Recommended talent?

[wind hatch]

just the normal slayer single target build

[quiet bramble]

Wait at what ilvl

[wind hatch]

I did it at 258

[quiet bramble]

4set?

[wind hatch]

i didnt have my 4 set for it

[quiet bramble]

Holy chad

[pearl wind]

arms colossus M+ single target boss dmg appears to be tank damage

[naive spoke]

Are there any macros to reduce keybinds for colossus?

[thick kelp]

yeah if your tank only pulls the boss and nothing else

ask your tank to pull trash onto boss and suddenly you are top dmg on the boss

and invite a shaman to every key you do

[pearl wind]

pov you have no rage without windfury

the rage starvation is really silly

[languid torrent]

yea, especially during execute phase

shits beans

[quiet bramble]

about to test colossus and i see this

[pearl wind]

also if there's forced downtime/rp/travel etc, cold startup from 0 colossal might stacks and shit for rage makes me rage

[quiet bramble]

u mald?

[pearl wind]

yea

[thick kelp]

its not that bad

since you cs cleave spam ms demo

with 4pc it sitll lands within cs so

[quiet bramble]

bro, convert me

[pearl wind]

yea i need to get some tier lol, i'm late to the season

[leaden garnet]

Gotta love all of the boss RP that lasts for EXACTLY long enough for you to drop stacks

[thick kelp]

You will convert once you do algethar first pull

[thick kelp]

Find critters

or place a tdummy

[quiet bramble]

i saw shirly new vid

[thick kelp]

watch bizentein

he is owning

his keys on both hero specs

[quiet bramble]

aight

[vapid pine]

Are there any dummies that still work in instanced content nowadays?

[elder zealot]

Maybe Colossus is better on keys with cleave bosses like Pit, Maisara, Seat; and Slayer for others?

[pearl wind]

for real lol

[frail crystal]

regarding single target execute phase for slayer, are we using bladestorm or not?

[thick kelp]

yes

inside CS

[frail crystal]

yep, okay -ty 🙂

[errant quail]

So whats bis for arms now?

U think arms pulls over fury in m+ now?

[pearl wind]

if it doesnt now it will with the ptr changes

rip fury

[errant quail]

Those ptr changes on fury hits soo hard

[grim hull]

Am i dreaming?

[pearl wind]

cant really rely on archon like that

[thick kelp]

Bizentein and the guys going tryhard early season for score

[errant quail]

Ye we need to wait a week or 2 more

[grim hull]

Whatever it is

[errant quail]

To stabalize

[grim hull]

i see warrior on S

for the 2nd time of my life

[errant quail]

Everyone is pushing keys now

[grim hull]

in dps spec

its wondefull Pog

[errant quail]

Time to switch from fury to arms 🙄

But with no shaman i think arms will fall abit

[thorn stream]

you still have time till 12.0.5 to stay fury

[minor gust]

Just play slayer and you won't have as much rage issues

[plucky fern]

you only really struggle with rage in st

and honestly shaman doesnt even help that much

your st will be shit whatsoever in colossus, deal with it

[stable fiber]

shaman buff is like 7% in st

11% in 3t+ cleave as colo

its pretty damn big

[sharp goblet]

i mean even with shaman u still get starved sometimes

it is what it is

[stable fiber]

yeah but it happens less

which is very important

i checked a quick sim with wf and w/o wf

5min sim is ~11 less cleaves when you dont have windfury

simply because of how rage starved you are

[sharp goblet]

can I check somewhere how good tier is on certain specs? in one convenient place

[stable fiber]

ye 1 sec

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/edit?gid=1489780415#gid=1489780415

flashbang warning

[sharp goblet]

tyvm!

[slender sonnet]

So cringe we have to rely on another class this much

Does any other spec gain this much from another class (excluding PI)

[stable fiber]

rogue gets a shit ton from wf in st

more then arms in st

[tropic crest]

Hi @smoky kayak , I noticed in the Colossus AoE APL that Execute is now prioritized above Slam (which fixes the previous priority issue), but I had a question about another line in the Colossus ST APL:

colossus_st->add_action( "demolish,if=debuff.colossus_smash.up&buff.colossal_might.stack>0|talent.master_of_warfare.rank=4" );

if this condition is intended it means Demolish is just used on cooldown no matters what (we all play with Master of Warfare rank 4). Wouldn’t it be more consistent to require Colossus Smash in all cases, like this?

demolish,if=debuff.colossus_smash.up&(buff.colossal_might.stack>0|talent.master_of_warfare.rank=4) so that:

• [MoW rank <=3] Demolish is used inside the Csmash, with at least 1 Colossal Might stack
• [MoW rank 4] Demolish is used inside the Csmash regardless of Colossal Might stacks

Just wanted to confirm if the current behavior is intentional or not. Ty

[slender sonnet]

Really? Damn

[stable fiber]

yeah

[slender sonnet]

Crazy

Still stupid

Shouldn't have to rely so much on having another class

[vast glacier]

Why is HS > MS Single target colossus but Slayer other way round ?

[thick kelp]

Just because

the difference is actually non existant

like its within 0.00% difference

to which one you prio higher

[ionic reef]

So after CS do we send Cleave in aoe or do we cast other abilities to push CD in between each cleave?

[thick kelp]

Send cleavs unless your demolish is at 10 stacks

[smoky kayak]

Slam was only previously prioritized above if Deep Wounds was not talented
with the Execute buff, that's no longer a condition though

[marsh hamlet]

10 stacks of colossal might?

[thick kelp]

yes

[tropic crest]

^
Mate, in the previous APL Slam (flat) was above Execute (flat), which effectively made that Execute line never trigger. I pointed that out in my earlier message you can see here. But that’s irrelevant now that it’s fixed. I’m more interested in the Demolish behavior in ST 🙂

[bleak fog]

Lets just not talk about ST and all is good? 😂

[smoky kayak]

that demolish line is no longer relevant, but OR separations begin an independent clause, so it would read as
demolish,if=(debuff.colossus_smash.up&buff.colossal_might.stack>0)|talent.master_of_warfare.rank=4

[tropic crest]

Sure. Though in that case, wouldn’t talent.master_of_warfare.rank=4 effectively make Demolish fire independently of Colossus Smash, since it becomes a separate clause?

[smoky kayak]

yes it did

[sharp goblet]

that's the point from what I gather

[smoky kayak]

again, that line is no longer relevant

sorry you were talking about AoE - Execute's SD check was above; Colossus never cast raw Execute though, because it was inefficient due to the lack of Execute talents in AoE builds; pressing Execute just rage starved you, so if you had to fill a GCD, it was better to use a cheaper Slam

[azure basalt]

hi guys so I didn't loot any tier set last week, nor in the vault. I got 3 manaflux charges that I use on m+ 273 loot sonI got 3p. If I dont loot any tier set again this week then I would have to wait for 2 more weeks to get an automatic charge if I'm still unlucky on loot and vault ?

[smoky kayak]

if you were actually doing an Execute rotation in an AoE build, then you would follow the dependency of Deep Wounds > Slam

but again, some of that has been updated since the Execute buff

[vapid pine]

Yes, you have to wait another 2 weeks if you're unlucky. You shouldn't use the 3 charges this week or next week until you try to loot your tier either, since you remove the chance to get those pieces

[azure basalt]

oh? bcz I already use them

[sharp goblet]

i sent all 3 after getting tier in vault, but yea wait for next week

since you can get any tier in vault and convert others

[vapid pine]

Unlucky, just highroll then

[rough phoenix]

I'm relatively new to arms, what is actually meant by "execute phase"? Is it just the period of time the target is below 10/35% depending if you have improved execute?

[tropic crest]

Sure mate.
I’m still a bit unsure about the Demolish logic though. Do you mean that the Colossus Smash + Colossal Might condition is effectively irrelevant because we all run Master of Warfare rank 4? So basically in ST, is Demolish used regardless of Colossus Smash being active or not?

[vapid pine]

Should be 20%/35% afaik, but yes

[smoky kayak]

its ineffective to use them because you don't know what piece you might loot

• if you use your charges on hat/shoulder/chest, then you can't make 4p unless you loot a leg/glove
• if you save your charges, you can loot any piece and then use your charges to fill the gap

[rough phoenix]

Wait actually? Am I stupid?

[smoky kayak]

again that line is no longer relevant, it's now simply debuff.colossus_smash.up&buff.colossal_might.stack>0

[rough phoenix]

You're so right, I always thought it was 10% for some reason

EDIT: I got it confused with Monk Touch of Death lol

[tropic crest]

Oh, I see you’ve updated it. Thanks for the clarification mate

[fallow notch]

What do you tzhink about the Actual 4piece Bonus? Is it just me, or did it just feel like a little bit? Or did i miss something?

[empty sluice]

Any idea when 12.0.5 is coming out? Heard rumor that it could be around 21th this month

[steep osprey]

Late April, I think

[inland drift]

huh already? nice

[empty sluice]

Gonna miss reap procs on st

[vapid goblet]

huh

does that not mean we get nerfed on fucking ST

lmaoo

[empty sluice]

Of course it does

But you get dw from slam(hs) now

[quiet bramble]

Blizz loves shitting on warrior huh

[vapid goblet]

ever sine the nibby p incident

since

[quiet bramble]

Fun police

[vapid goblet]

arms king of 2 targets btw btw btw btw

[quiet bramble]

Why do they even bother touching thane

[vapid goblet]

prot warr better st damage than arms

[abstract sphinx]

Hello guys do you know if there are any recent arms warrior (mostly m+) guide? I have been looking for one but most of them are old 🙁

[abstract sphinx]

Video if possible

[quiet bramble]

Wowhead has one

[fresh spire]

3/4 weeks

If its lining up with that 6 week quests think it unlocks bonus rolls

[empty sluice]

Yea we have to enjoy it till its a bit fun

[thick kelp]

is there a quest line I should be doing already for bonus rolls monkaS

[fresh spire]

[thick kelp]

oly

[fresh spire]

The pink ! In Void to collect 3 boss shit a week

[thick kelp]

just campaign or?

horrific

XD

I have not

[fresh spire]

Yeh it also drops in keys and stuff too

So not hard to catch up

[thick kelp]

ic

[empty sluice]

Its in the camp when u port to voidstorm

[queen garden]

Is the whole m+ Arms Slayer momentum im seeing around legit or its full cope ?

[empty sluice]

Legit

Was legit last week

[queen garden]

[empty sluice]

But u can also sandbag as colossus on st while doing big numbers on aoe

Up to you

[fresh mist]

Think I've finally been broken 😞 not sure I enjoy this class anymore

[quiet bramble]

Wtf “was”? How is it now

[empty sluice]

Well, better due to buffs from this week

[thick kelp]

Colossus bad boss damage cope is so forced... Just pull like 2 adds to the boss and Colossus suddenly is top damage on the boss itself

[empty sluice]

But it was fine even last week, I was just the only one playing it

[quiet bramble]

Do u do CS, 4 sweeps then BS?

[fresh spire]

Slayer owns

Cleave>sd>bladestorm>ms>op

[empty sluice]

Nah, just one cleave for reap proc fishing

[fresh spire]

Just make sure bladestorm hits in the Cs window

[quiet bramble]

Aight

[gleaming raptor]

hi, quick question about demolish: do you always want to cast it at full stacks or on cd together with avatar?

[cloud glacier]

yes, you want mobs to take more damage from your burst. Only first pull use asap to get haste buff. It'll usually land together with cs

[lone raft]

some shammy wanted to charge me 300g per b rez, died twice btw on two separate occassions

is this normal?

[wispy kettle]

terrorist shaman

[lone raft]

I told him to go f himself and told him to look at overall dmg I pulled more than him

[umbral badger]

yo guys there is still one round of tuning for next week, right ?

[lone raft]

even tho I died twice

[umbral badger]

i don't think warrior will be mentioned but just wondering

[gleaming raptor]

aye, thank you

[minor ivy]

u guys think slayer or colossus for seat?

[abstract sphinx]

Guys does Slayer arms follow the same logic as Slayer fury where we want to BS asap to apply overwhelmed stacks on the adds?

[marsh hamlet]

i think slayer as it is ST, but i am a noob so lets wait for someone more experienced to either agree or disagree with me

[thick kelp]

no

Slayer arms follows the wowhead guide

[abstract sphinx]

aight bet xD

[thick kelp]

Would prolly play colossus purely for the 2nd and 3rd boss

Colossus smokes Slayer in boss dam in those two

Probably abit closer in 3rd boss but

[minor ivy]

why 3rd boss?

[abstract sphinx]

how about ST with m+ talents? is the wowhead rotation accurate?

[thick kelp]

tentacles on top of boss

[minor ivy]

2nd boss i was wondering what the diff would be

[thick kelp]

yes

[thick kelp]

The diff would probably be like within 5%?

just for that boss only

and also depends on your route

I would say Slayer can keep up once your pullcounts go higher

but in 2-5 targets colossus performs better

since Slayer aoe is heavily reliant on Reap which is softcapped afaik

[minor ivy]

wait i thought slayer was better in dungs with fewer mob counts

what about nexus point?

[plucky fern]

i've been thinking if slayer is actually better than colo if you dont have a shaman

idk colo feels so miserable without windfury

im a slayer hater usually but man being ragestarved kills me even more

[crisp mesa]

I prefer slayer over colossus... Much faster playstyle.

[fresh spire]

Reap feels gudman

[zenith warren]

how is arms slayer simming now in st?

[cedar tide]

what are we running in m+´nowadays?

[fresh spire]

96ish k

[umbral badger]

tbh slayer feels like it sits better design wise than colossus atm

something feels more complete about it

man gaze of alnseer trinket keeps siming like 0.1% for me at hero track compared to cruicible

why is it so shit

[slow saddle]

Cant believe its still 10k behind fury

Thats pretty cursed ngl🤣

[umbral badger]

i remember ppl early on telling arms warriors to stop complaining 🤣 only took 3-4 buffs for them to become below average

[steep osprey]

10k is nothing tbh

[slow saddle]

I mean consider the mad.buffs

[steep osprey]

it's close enough

[slow saddle]

Its more than 10%

?

And st balance is supposed to be 10k

From top to bottom

Not bottom to near bottom

[umbral badger]

look at this shit did they overnerf this trinket or what

[steep osprey]

Well, ST balance is all out of whack in this raid

It's mostly AoE

[umbral badger]

i don't even wanna need on it anymore let my other guild mates take it

[steep osprey]

They can't just balance for pure ST

[slow saddle]

I mean they always have been great at that

First tier that its this out of whack

Modern wow

[umbral badger]

tbh slayer arms have not been that good at "snappy" chaotic AoE anyway

at least not compared to fury

[slow saddle]

I mean if anythin furys profile is fantastic for thos raid

[umbral badger]

yup

[slow saddle]

Yet coz of mediocre tuning

Its still justcok

Ok&

[umbral badger]

and dunno like , fury feels like it resets BS much faster for me than slayer arms does

[plucky osprey]

yo real quick we playing slayer or colo on m+ now?

[slow saddle]

Yes

[umbral badger]

either is fine.

[slow saddle]

Both works and are fun

[plucky osprey]

sweet

[slow saddle]

Tbh slayer better pug.choice

[umbral badger]

they are close in performance now imo just if your team has shit ST go slayer, if your team has lower AoE you can colossus

[slow saddle]

Col in a grp

[plucky osprey]

slayer way more funb

[umbral badger]

then slayer it is :d

that being said, even colossus single target felt acceptable for me yesterday so there is that too

but then agian i am giga gear

geared *

[plucky osprey]

been waiting to hear slayer in M+ for so long haha

[umbral badger]

but i did feel the op buff

[plucky osprey]

slayer build still the same talents wise? i dont need to change anything?

[fiery monolith]

Question that I cant find the answer to on guides. I usually play colussus arms in m+ but wanna dabble in slayer. My thinking was to just replace demolish with BS and make sure to BS inside CS/avatar window. Wowhead guides etc seem to have it lower prio, does that mean you first wanna bust out all your cleaves during CS window then bladestorm?

[thick kelp]

yes

[minor ivy]

guys i got rank 1 arms for +13 nexus im so proud of myself, mostly cause ive been sucking hard

[umbral badger]

the long answer is, the basic idea is that cleaves are extending your CS on all targets, is techincally your highest damage dealer and also you want to put it on CD so that it comes back after BS.

[minor ivy]

ppl only care about 13's right?

[umbral badger]

gz gz

[minor ivy]

i wasn't logging tho so, rip :(I

[hardy marten]

Just feels bad to know Fury is just a poor man's Devourer. We have absolutely cracked Dev in our guild and I feel useless half the time slapping adds while doing pitiful boss damage

[fiery monolith]

Thanks!! forgot about 4pc set bonus. Simple way seems to just use your 3 free cleaves after CS and bladestorm afterwards

[umbral badger]

at least on some bosses warrior is doing fine boss damage 🙂

[thick kelp]

which bosses

[dense sphinx]

i played prot to get AOTC
swapped with bdk who went unholy
net gain for the raid

[umbral badger]

you can say vanguard and second boss warrior is not that far behind

some bosses is a little on the average line

[versed lagoon]

feels like both march bosses will be pretty decent for arms

[umbral badger]

and yes some bosses is fked

[versed lagoon]

not been in there yet

[fresh spire]

Both specs need st buffs. Arms more so

[dense sphinx]

they keep lowballing our st buffs

[umbral badger]

that being said hunters are still ruling the vanguard fight

that dps 😮

[dense sphinx]

they are soooo afraid they overbuff our ST and break some forbidden agreement with the devil

[umbral badger]

oh wait almost every hunter got like 4 PI 🤣

life is not fair

[fresh spire]

They are starting to peal away at some other avenues that allow for St buffs.

Though if they actually do well is another question

[umbral badger]

honestly, i might be wrong but i don't understand it all, it feels they make some progress throughout the expansion, land on something "acceptable" at the end of the expansion, then next expansion they start from scratch with a complete new design and the smae cycle repeats ?

[slow saddle]

thank you

annoys when ppl try to claim its not so

all i ask for is like 110-115k for both ?

arms being the higher one

😄

[umbral badger]

i'd settle for 105k

[slow saddle]

nah fam

[umbral badger]

105.1

[slow saddle]

i want fury up as well

[umbral badger]

yea yea just an auction house joke xd

was watching some movie with an auction house just the effect of it lol

[slow saddle]

❤️

[umbral badger]

it's like nowadays wew need to haggle as warriors for our buffs LOL

[slow saddle]

we need 10%. Best i can do is 2% in best Rick voice

[umbral badger]

lol yea it's like you are in the vegies market or some shit

[fresh spire]

It's hard to buff arms when it has so many moving parts. Reap was something that was impactful for St and aoe. Gutting it back to me more aoe orientated means they can return the 7% damage. Its hard to.buff colossus St when it also impacts slayer. But slayer also always has this 7% difference because of reap.

[hoary fossil]

just wild to me the tuning they do to us and a few brokens specs go un-nerfed

[fresh spire]

Blizzard needs to cull back more on contributing factors to aspects and buff the baseline heavily.

[slow saddle]

i mean reap change is prob good krispy

Ease of tuning

i still feel Reap should JUST have been a thing to add value to EXECUTE in AOE

ONLY

not al this other shit

but thats just me

[umbral badger]

"hey we need 40% buff" , yes but you have sweeping strikes so we will give you 10% buff. "hey but we are 60% behind, how about 35% buff", look, the best i could do for you is 19% buff

that's how it feels like it went around first round of tuning

[fresh spire]

That's the issue with arms in a nutshell

[umbral badger]

yup

[fresh spire]

Aoe has functionally too many moving parts around 1 ability. 2 for slayer.

[umbral badger]

i always said it, make arms great again, and make sweeping strikes back to 75% or 50% for one example os that strong ST arms won't break the vanguard boss for example

said it *

ofc that treatment needs to be done on more than one dimension but it is in a nutshell the only way i see them fixing it

and to be fair 100% dmg sweeping is broken. i like it but it is so broken it is funny lol

[fresh spire]

My own personal opinion is in the next talent tree major updates cleave may end up being a force pick like where sd is on the tree or goes baseline.
Arms has a massive issue with too many aoe talents almost feeling required at the cost of our St flow talents

When St is already piss poor

Arms is leaning hard into wanting cleave to be the specs aoe identity then we should always have it not the choice to have it.

[umbral badger]

that was my first feedback for midnight back in TWW season, make cleave baseline for arms and WW baseline for fury.

or WW baseline for warrior in general and cleave for arms

whatever they like

the whole idea that you have to choose between cleave and WW implies that "WW is also an option"

but it is not

lol

it's like you have option one, and you also have the non-option option 2

which do you choose ?

[silent wave]

Yo guys, what is the curent best race for a warrior in pve ?

[thick kelp]

panda

[slow saddle]

NAH

Night elf

or dwarf always

[thick kelp]

i mean dps wise

panda is best

[slow saddle]

powerful momentum prob needs removed

[marsh hamlet]

human

[slow saddle]

true

i wanna human again

male fighter human

[marsh hamlet]

yes

thats the way

[fresh spire]

Human best race

[umbral badger]

yes, i am tired of making suggestions for sweepingstrike optiosn to be removed even xd only nice sweeping strikes talent is broad strikes atm

[umbral badger]

only real zug zug is the green zug zug >.<

orc forever !

[midnight mural]

Gonna be full-on arms for reclear tonight. Do you guys think i can successfully snipe ball damage on dragons ? We have alot of grips. On salhadaar im not sure what the play is - most likely Slayer with points into sweep? We have a good amount of people going nuclear on small adds lol.

[umbral badger]

generally they might melt before you even do anything , unless the guild intentionally grips teh orbs under the boss so that it is in your / melees AoE which i doubt will happen.

slayer can BS but long cd ofc

[midnight mural]

Slayer is not the play to snipe balls

[umbral badger]

for salhadaar you can just copy the top 2 warriors talent tree, they are both arms "i think new logs from yesterday after buff'

[midnight mural]

They are dead before i get the cleaves off

[umbral badger]

yes slayer does not snipe balls just gets "lucky" with one baldestorm everywhile

[midnight mural]

They Grip them into me 😄

Was thinking colossus for dragons

[umbral badger]

well, if they can be hit by demo you might have time to demo "maybe CS the boss anyway and hit demo rather than wait for CS to hit all balls"

[lavish spindle]

Hey, are we playing slayer in m+ now? I'm seeing both atm

[midnight mural]

And just do more bossdng / sweep on the large orbs on salhadaar. If blade storm lines up with small balls i can bad a bit

[umbral badger]

at least in my guild the orbs are dead in 2-3 globals which is like 1 demo cast and max of 1 cs and 1 demo

[thorn stream]

Yuh

If it lines up with smallies do it

Else dont bother and sweep of large ones

[umbral badger]

but yes for salhadar jus copy the top 2 arms warroir dps "top 2 warriors overall' imo, they probably got what worked best for the fight

[midnight mural]

Hell yeah i can copy Shirley any day

[left shard]

Is there anyone with a decent guide to Play Arms Warrior?

On yt there is legit 0

[narrow pagoda]

Guys, how can I tell to go Slayer or Colossus in M+ is it the size of the pulls or some other factor? And is there a recommendation list for which spec to use where?

[thorn stream]

I wouldn’t personally

Whatever you prefer
Afaik Colo more overall dmg and slayer more st dmg

[umbral badger]

also just to be fair, mythic dragons Colossus seems ot be decent there, but HC dragons not really.

[narrow pagoda]

Thank you 😄

[thorn stream]

[thick kelp]

check what kha was doing on dragons on colo https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8vC2kLDKjF1Mqybt?fight=26&type=damage-done seemd to work well

On saladbar go powerful + broad strokes and just try to sweep everything

[midnight mural]

Am purely talking mythic

[thick kelp]

yerp

so am I

[midnight mural]

Didnt research anything yet, but yeah, this is kinda exactly what i had in mind 😄 ... We are sending upgrades after dragons tonight.. gonna jump from 269 to 278 lol

[midnight mural]

Heck yeah lets do it

[umbral badger]

yes and in faact if you filter by boss damage, his boss damage was as good as slayer arms and fury warriors

thus why i always say colossus seem to scale better on 2 Targets and it feels good to go for it

[thick kelp]

Crazy what the better 2T spec can do on 2T

[umbral badger]

"probably why we need sweeping nerf so that we get ST buf xd"

[umbral badger]

to be fair this is probably because unhinged does not get to sweeping strikes

[thick kelp]

yep

[umbral badger]

cuz if it did slayer would be extending CS on both targets which sounds too broken xd

[slow saddle]

wait so u saying slayer good on 2 targets to good

rgr rgr

[oak kite]

< uses cleave before the colossus smashfor the last 1 stack of buff.
< 10 stacks
< colossus smash + demolish
< cleave is still on cd

-.-

they should make it like cs immediately enables cleave.

[hidden nebula]

hey friends, is arms kinda unplayable in raid? or am i just missing something in rotation

because my dps is trash

[median crag]

its playable, just not good

[hidden nebula]

like, no chance of being high dps

[median crag]

its good on cleave fights

very fun imo

[hidden nebula]

did march on quel danas normal

had to switch to fury, unfortunately

[cosmic shale]

I vibed with it on Voracious

[hidden nebula]

only single target

outside of cleave fights I couldnt do anything

[cosmic shale]

It’s all relative I guess. The standard build may not pad as hard as other classes or fury but you can still pump out some damage

[bleak fog]

My fellow warriors, since WA is gone we have a problem.. Last key, tiered and zoned out..

IT HAPPENS ok?

😄

[cosmic shale]

Just helping the healer

[rare kite]

Get the dstance reminder addon

[bleak fog]

There is one right, tell me 😛

I had a WA for it

[rare kite]

It's on the wago app

[bleak fog]

Found it, TY

[thick hamlet]

during execute, do you still wait for 2 EP stacks before mortal strike during collosus

or do you try to extend the debuff for as long as possible by using MS on cd

[slow saddle]

Ms cd

[crisp mesa]

lmao happens, was in raid with prot stance on 2 bosses. Got sick grey parses 😎

[olive nest]

Arms owns

[slow saddle]

But u did take less dmg🦄

Purple defensive parse

[thick hamlet]

and outside of CS, you x2 EP first, is this correct?

[slow saddle]

I mean i dno, are talkin slayer?

M+ or raid?

[thick hamlet]

raid pure ST slayer

[slow saddle]

Man what does wowhead say?

Seeing pure st u dont play battlelord hmm

I actually think most cases u 2 x ep // op what ever

Its kindda rough coz rage is so fickle atm

[olive nest]

Need more rage gen

To many times in execute just sitting there with less than 90 rage, no op charge and no HS proc twirling thumbs

[slow saddle]

90?

I easily sit at 9🤣

I mean biggest fumble of blizzars arms

Say we want less rng

Makes tactician 100% rng

Not b4 based on rage spend which meant big exe big reset

[vast hinge]

Mates took me to a 15 at 257ilvl

I was doing ok on trash packs but dam we got to a boss and I was doing like half the other twos dps lol

[haughty zinc]

colossus m+ build do be like that. Good dmg on trash, tank dmg on boss

[unborn canyon]

Just force your tank to pull trash on to boss

[rapid bronze]

it depends on the boss honestly some of them are also super anti-melee

the ones with adds are goated

[icy atlas]

Restless Heart

[carmine tartan]

I dont think def stance is the difference between a grey parse and a good parse ngl

[digital beacon]

It is not clear to me, do you only Demolish on Colossus Smash or send it?

[minor gust]

It's just preference. Play what you want to play

[olive nest]

You only want to demolish with colossus smash

[digital beacon]

Ok, ty

[olive nest]

And you only want to avatar/ravager with colossus and demolish

[thin quail]

so is arms now very close to fury in raid? or not even close

[olive nest]

It’s comparable

Play your preference

Fury does add damage easier

[thin quail]

i cant play my preference bc we mythic progging

[olive nest]

Then you pretty much play thane fury on all fights except paladins

Again, arms holds its own just depends how good your wizards are at aoeing really

[minor gust]

You very much can play preference in mythic prog I'm doing it right now

[thick kelp]

Mee too

[dull tendon]

Its why you are the saviour of slayer

[thick kelp]

[icy atlas]

Haven't tried Arms in raid yet, whats the strat for padding on adds?

[olive nest]

You don’t XD

[dull tendon]

Watch a Devourer throw a star and steal all your pad

Then go back to boss

[icy atlas]

[odd vale]

quick question im playing slayer arms should i wait for bladestorm and avatar to align again or press them when their rdy on its own ?

[fresh spire]

As long as bladestorm is in Cs your gold

[odd vale]

kk thx

[safe island]

can i arms warrior with fury gear

[thick kelp]

yea

[ionic mica]

i am looking at which gear swaps i would make to get good arms gear coming from fury, and it makes almost no difference

swapping 5+ pieces to drop mastery for crit and changing all gems/enchants is a 1% change

[thin quail]

is the rotation for slayer arms accurate on wowhead after the buffs yesterday?

[minor gust]

Nothing's changed with the buffs

[fresh spire]

You can arms easily with fury gear but if you can get some crit heavy rings to switch it will make arms feel much better

[empty sluice]

yooo they changed heroic strike animation on PTR

[minor gust]

👀

[empty sluice]

remember old colossus smash animation? that jump thing

[thick kelp]

yeap

[minor gust]

Jumping heroic strike wowie

[safe island]

if i don have colo smash, should i keep cooldowns?

[empty sluice]

ignore the ui, ptr thing 😄

[minor gust]

Hold other CDs for CS never hold CS

[safe island]

i see

never hold CS

[minor gust]

[fresh spire]

Yeh they reworked the animation (I hate it)

[empty sluice]

looks better imo

[fresh spire]

The human condemn animation looks so much better 🙁

I need to find the video I took when I spotted it last week. Lemme try find

[empty sluice]

dw actualy does dmg now, since its applied by slam/hs

[fresh spire]

I dunno. Kinda like the overhead like slam down

[empty sluice]

well i dont like that it has same animation as execute

so this is kinda nice

[fresh spire]

I mean sure in that regards. But it fits the name as it feels like a powerful strike. Still hate they took old warbreaker from us 🙁 the spikes was way cooler

Also I really like the follow up swings for slayer strikes

[empty sluice]

it reminds me old ms animation

[fresh spire]

The sideways condemn animation when sweep was up likely my all time fave

[empty sluice]

it sweeps with massacre only

[thin quail]

do you charge rend cooldowns bladestorm or you dont rend before?

in single target

[minor gust]

Charge rend

[sacred zodiac]

wait where did the original cs animation even go

is cs just warbreaker now

[ionic reef]

yes

do we send Colossus smash or wait for 10 stacks?

[fervent cedar]

Why does crucible sim so well

[empty sluice]

i hoped for a glyph, but its gone

[fervent cedar]

I ran a droptimizer and gaze isn't even a damage gain for me, my maxed out hero track prism is a loss as well

[minor gust]

Because gaze isn't a good trinket

For arms

[sacred zodiac]

crucible is just really good assuming you have the console upgrades

[fervent cedar]

I see

Its just weird having this champ trinket outperform most hero trinkets

[minor gust]

Not uncommon

[sacred zodiac]

not too rare where some gimmick item punches above its weight class

[soft sigil]

I know theyve changed reap a few times on the ptr but i havent tried it myself in game but it just wont proc on ST anymore right?

[sand totem]

it'll proc, just not a guarantee

[minor gust]

No it wont

There is no way to proc reap in ST

[warm fog]

It does not proc at all in ST anymore

[hoary palm]

What are good single target specs to group with in M+

[minor gust]

A slayer arms

[fervent cedar]

I tried slayer arms yesterday

ST is actually respectable

You lose a lot of aoe tho

At least feels that way

[soft sigil]

The bladestorm buff is definitely not going to make up for that on ST, hoping they have something else in store but the build is release candidate so

[hoary palm]

I am playing slayer arms in M+ the ST is decent but its still not top

[fervent cedar]

Which is fine

Especially if youre not in a dungeon or with a tank that pulls trash on top of bosses

[hoary palm]

Yeah i just think you need to group with good single target specs to help with bosses which is why im asking

[soft sigil]

Would be classic blizz to make slayer ST good and then hit it with a nice nerf in a few weeks when ptr goes live

[flat willow]

classes with good st in m+ builds are mage, unholy dk, demowarlock

[sand totem]

I thought they were just removing the GUARANTEE to proc reap off of execute, but still allowing it to proc randomly

[fervent cedar]

"Arms single target is performing much higher than intended, particularly in execute" and then execute goes back into the toilet 🙂

[flat willow]

ret paladin? but do you wanna play with a ret paladin

[minor gust]

No SD still guarantees a reap proc but only with SS up and hitting 2T. Reap can only proc from cleave hitting 3+

[fervent cedar]

No, sudden death does proc reap, but only when execute hits multiple targets

[steep osprey]

What the fuck, when did they put this in?

[sand totem]

Well fuck me

[steep osprey]

This is literally how humans use special attacks in classic wow

[soft sigil]

It is a pretty decent st nerf

[minor gust]

It's not as big of a deal as you think.

[steep osprey]

I've been waiting for so long

[fervent cedar]

Seems really bad on face value but we have yet to see what they do for our single target to compensate

[soft sigil]

Their compensation was 20% on bladestorm i guess

[warm fog]

They will 100% not give either fury or arms an appropriate ST buff to make up for loss of ST reap for at least a month if they ever do

[fervent cedar]

Our single target is no longer tied to reap in st anymore, they are free to take much larger swings at our ST balance as a result

[minor gust]

In high keys 20+ you don't save time by going more ST you save time by pulling as much trash as you can on top of bosses

[warm fog]

12.0.7 “slayer single target is lower than intended…”

[fervent cedar]

I mean i think Madox pointed it out pretty accurately in his latest vid, it really does feel like blizzard does not listen to us a lot of the time

So even though i understand why theyre doing what theyre doing, I dont have any faith it will actually work out

[warm fog]

It’s wild to watch title level keys, they are insane in that way

[sacred zodiac]

need the allegations against @magic canopy to come out sooner than later

[steep osprey]

Don't think that was the compensation

They do tuning after they're done with the design changes

[minor gust]

It's not that bad. Makes things more fun. Plus it's actually really great for us now since arms has funnel

[steep osprey]

I actually think the reason they put bladestorm damage inside slayer is because of Fury

[fervent cedar]

Correct

[steep osprey]

Especially because of Avatar being a little too close to BS on ST

they just wanted to put a tuning knob for BS inside the slayer tree specifically

[fervent cedar]

Also because a lot of feedback in fury chat was reap does too much we want bs to be a proper damage cooldown and do a lot of damagw

They nearly shot the rotation giving them what they wanted

[steep osprey]

That's also a part of it

I think it's gonna be find if they buff execute by like 50% lol

and SS could use a good buff too

[fervent cedar]

They wont do that

The 20% execute buff is already doing pretty well for slayer arms at least

If they take another swing at it, itll be small

They're really scared of execute on arms i guess

All of that being said, the fact they have not fixed our rage gen issues is really stupid

[neon shale]

boys im learning arm, whern Heroic Strie procs, does cleave use the roc

proc*

[fervent cedar]

Yes, read fervor of battle

[soft sigil]

Reap is 8-10% of my damage in ST in a key (can't really speak for raid) so it would need to be a pretty big tuning buff to make up for it

[neon shale]

ya i saw was making ure

makes sense

so im guessing only on ST or two targets we manually slam Strike?

[fervent cedar]

Yes

[steep osprey]

Well, if they remove Reap from it, it's gonna be a lot worse though

They're gonna have to buff execute if they remove reap from ST

No other way around it

[neon shale]

this specc feels awk after fury for so long

[fervent cedar]

Playstyle wise I personally have been really enjoying it

But the rage issues are very annoying

Specifically on colo

[neon shale]

this

im just smaking dummies rn

but its rough

[median crag]

its better with a shaman in your pocket

[soft sigil]

It needs a tactician buff (30% is criminal) and imp execute to 20% baseline and then it would be back to playing pretty well

[shut token]

Does haste affect how fast rend and deep wound ticks?

[minor gust]

Yes

[neon shale]

is colussus ST more ass than Fury thane

[fervent cedar]

Yes, way more ass

[neon shale]

fuck

[fervent cedar]

Its fine

Have your tank pull trash onto the boss

If possible

If not its fine, your aoe damage will be so high itll make up for your shit st

[neon shale]

reffering bac to this, we also smack HEroic manually if say Cleave is on CD

or just wait it out and slam Mortala in meantim

[fervent cedar]

MS

We are mostly pressing HS for the buff

So as long as its not about to fall off for some reason you can just MS while waiting for cleave