arms

[latent moss]

@thick kelp im free

[rose ibex]

Its fine tho. Lots of classes struggle in that area

[latent moss]

from vers

[rose ibex]

And weaker class means buffs in the future

Poor rogues tho

Completely ignored this week

[icy atlas]

PvP tax

[rose ibex]

Outlaw should definitely get buffs

Its not great in pvp and it requires a lot of effort

[icy atlas]

Blizzards response: just play Sub

[rose ibex]

Pirates > ninjas

[lime ruin]

Yoo what are your guys' thoughts on crafting darkmoon dominion hunts trinket

[cyan skiff]

Is puzzle box non raid bis over heart of wind? Paired with heart of ancient hunger

[lime ruin]

puzzle box sims a bit higher for me with ancient hunger trink

than heart

[cyan skiff]

I’m not sure if I trust the simbot with activated. Shows heart simming 1k dps higher for me.

[lime ruin]

Yeah I'd go for heart anyway since the difference is minimal and not everyone's a fan of on use trinkets

[cyan skiff]

Heard that

[slow saddle]

Also on use during a pull

[rapid bronze]

what stats are you guys using for your crafts mostly

[obsidian otter]

Idk about that one 😂

[rose ibex]

Outlaw is just so goofy as a spec i fucking love it. Grapple hooks, pistols, and freakin dice rolls in the middle of a fight

Random buffs

When i do my rogue playthrough I have to try it

[obsidian otter]

No I’m not saying outlaw it’s cool spec I just meant ninjas>pirates they wouldn’t know what happened they would be on the boat and off the boat and pirates would be dead killed then in their sleep 😴

[rose ibex]

Yeah but how much does it take to train 1 ninja vs 1 pirate?

[obsidian otter]

I do miss killing spree but the new killing spree should be called something else it fits the pistol theme! They should just got rid of melee for outlaw and made it a mid range pistols for basic attacks

[rose ibex]

Turning it into a hybrid melee ranged would be cool

I think it should still melee

Maybe have more dip in and dip out movement

[calm surge]

Heart of ancient hunger or Night enders fist for four set?

[rose ibex]

Great for melee players who cant stand still (me)

[calm surge]

what one is better

[obsidian otter]

Ret is already mid range melee and DK with them both having like 1 skill they need to be in range for but 80% of their damage comes from range skills

[rose ibex]

Oh dude that heart is sooooo good...... do you not have enough charges to get 4pc?

[calm surge]

nope just three set

[rose ibex]

Yeah but they arent rootin tootin gunslinging gambling pirates

[rose ibex]

Do raid first before deciding

Maybe you can get the trinket or a set piece

[obsidian otter]

No I know I just meant having basic attacks be close range to mid range would work

[rose ibex]

Oh yeah I see what you are saying. Yeah!

My bud tells me his pistol shot doesnt do very much from a distance

[obsidian otter]

Gunslinger in lost ark was like that close range to mid range pistols so fun to play

[obsidian otter]

It’s combo builder it dos damage like sinister strike

[rose ibex]

Is outlaw still super plate spinny?

[obsidian otter]

Pretty much your using Sinster strike and use pistol shot when you have 3 ammo stored into between the eyes then it’s just sinster strike pistol shot dispatch. Outside of pressing blade rush and your aoe sweeping strikes skill that gives you max combo points pressing it

[rose ibex]

Yarrrr....

[sharp wyvern]

why cant this be the better m+ spec the dmg breakdown looks alot more balanced

[latent moss]

add cleave and reap and its not balanced xdd

they just want

cleave to be all ur aoe so gg

[minor gust]

It's good enough you don't have to play Colo if you don't want too

[sharp wyvern]

ive been doing that but at what point am i trolling for playing slayer
i just dont trust pugs to be able to live bossfights for 10 morre seconds

[rose ibex]

I pump on slayer, sometimes doing better than collo

RNJesus smiles upon me.... sometimes

[minor gust]

I mean how is it trolling to play slayer when you still out dmg everyone playing slayer

[rose ibex]

I was doing more damage than my buds last windrunner we did

But I didnt realize my heroic strike macro broke and me being tired and dumb didnt fix it until the last boss where the mage overtook me barely

[sharp wyvern]

good point

[latent moss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1488598323416924160/image.png?ex=69cd5cb9&is=69cc0b39&hm=d9267e2367c1ba175a92dbea95e73a2fe8a759d34cf9f344050e53ce4c483860&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

any stat missing?

[minor gust]

Bye bye vers

[sharp wyvern]

i tried AA as collossus and i fucked the first pull up so bad i only did like 200k

slayer is way more forgiving

[minor gust]

I think I just got 1 item with vers on it rn

[latent moss]

powerful magisters 11 pug

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1265930049605865492/1488605374373167356/image.png?ex=69cd634a&is=69cc11ca&hm=994c4ddcb54538fc90f421cfc1ff8119881ed42db0c23313ae566e78886908fb&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[minor gust]

Afk ret pally letting you steal all the dmg

[rose ibex]

Colossus feels measured with more control. Slayer is flying by the seat of your pants playing jazz

[latent moss]

lowk no one got to deal any dmg

he was prolly afk as well

[minor gust]

Yee Colo is really good in low keys. Slayer wants things to live a lil longer I don't play slayer in things lower than a 12

[latent moss]

idk colo in low keys sucks giga slayer just sucks more imo

in a higher key getting that 2nd wb+demo in mass exe window

hooooooooly

[minor gust]

True

[sharp wyvern]

arms in anything below a 12 just doesnt feel right

[minor gust]

Doing a 16 as slayer felt so nice when I was able to get x2 WB and x2 BS in a pull

It feels so good

Lil bit more rng dependent compared to Colo but still relaxing and SD reaps always satisfying

[nova marsh]

Blizz I don't think suicide is a spell cast in AA

[tired sinew]

hi all anyway for a warrior to proc the crown neck shadow damage proc?

[minor gust]

With the hands from seat

[tired sinew]

ah that.

thanks!

alt rogue gets plume... warrior gets that neck.... why could it swap around

also should i jsut catalyse till 4p 3H 1N and then get the pieces and the catalyst charges?

[silk lake]

what do we all think of the buffs?

[minor gust]

3% more st

[worldly rivet]

The buffs have been very tame for two weeks now for the most part. Feels like they don't want to shake up the meta too much with how much people have invested into their class/spec.

But they shipped some classes in a bad state so it's their own doing and some need way more than 3/4 per week (Rogue, Frost DK).

[lusty pasture]

how do u guys feel about guidon for arms

[minor gust]

probably very strong for colo M+

[stable fiber]

yo

i just killed the damage amp boss on nexus point

and cleave was my highest dmg on a st boss

xdd

[minor gust]

[stable fiber]

hit a 1.3m -> 700k -> 1.3m cleave

ms crit for 900k

gg

[minor gust]

boss im ME range cleave go brr

[nova marsh]

I see waht you were talkin about

I vote abandoned

Na chief

Tank lead to a couple deaths before corewarden because they just refused to give the healer mana

And kept fucking chain pulling

[sharp wyvern]

i just had a tank that would pull another pack as soon as i pressed my CS

driving me insane the entire dungeon

[nova marsh]

Holy shit na fuyck that

[sharp wyvern]

first pack goes to 75% hp and then he chain pulls another

[nova marsh]

WHY

[sharp wyvern]

still topped overall tho

barely

[nova marsh]

EYOOO

Always good

[cyan skiff]

How is cleave highest dmg on st? I keep seeing people saying cleave on st yet I’m not sure what window enables cleave to outperform ms/slam on st.

[summer quartz]

A healer in one of my groups last night called me an Arms Chad. Feels good, man. Feels good.

[main bear]

Removing cleave entirely from the colossus ST APL is an increase, at least in the Vanguards build
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5zbJt8NkNXeoAboE8Szy9Q

any knowers

[rapid minnow]

am i tripping or is arms jacked now

[gloomy void]

Arms viable on ST?

[shadow ibex]

Cuz you use it with collateral stacks

[rose ibex]

Arms was jacked in aoe after the aura buff

[shadow ibex]

Buff might have changed stuff

[main bear]

okay but you dont get those in pure ST

[thick kelp]

well u are using

bleed talent

deep wounds

[main bear]

i understand that in 2T you'd use it

[main bear]

sure, but on balance just slamming seems to be better

[thick kelp]

also?

your no cleave apl has ALL the cleave lines

sorry, 1 commented out

[main bear]

i posted a new link

this is what no cleave is doing in the most recent link

i understand that in 2T, you still want to cleave over slamming bc of collateral

assuming you have stacks

[shadow ibex]

Collateral use assumes boss has another target or two

[cyan skiff]

Yeah collateral makes sense. I just didn’t understand how one would say cleave is highest dps in st fight

[shadow ibex]

Like pulling trash into boss

[cyan skiff]

Not even sure if during ravager is worth using

[main bear]

thats the 3rd option

unless im missing something, you just shouldnt cleave rn (at least with the gear I have)

in st i mean

[cyan skiff]

Right. Thanks for the info

[quick acorn]

Wich one is the talent that makes cleave to have no CD while im on CDS?

[thick kelp]

actions.colossus_st+=/sweeping_strikes,if=active_enemies=2&(cooldown.colossus_smash.remains&buff.sweeping_strikes.down|!talent.broad_strokes)
actions.colossus_st+=/ravager,if=cooldown.colossus_smash.remains<=gcd
actions.colossus_st+=/avatar
actions.colossus_st+=/colossus_smash
actions.colossus_st+=/cleave,if=buff.ravager.remains&buff.collateral_damage.stack=3
actions.colossus_st+=/champions_spear
actions.colossus_st+=/demolish,if=debuff.colossus_smash.up&buff.colossal_might.stack>0
actions.colossus_st+=/heroic_strike,if=active_enemies=2
actions.colossus_st+=/mortal_strike
actions.colossus_st+=/heroic_strike
actions.colossus_st+=/overpower,if=active_enemies=2
#actions.colossus_st+=/cleave,if=buff.ravager.remains|buff.collateral_damage.stack=3
actions.colossus_st+=/overpower
actions.colossus_st+=/execute
actions.colossus_st+=/whirlwind,if=active_enemies=2&buff.collateral_damage.stack=3
actions.colossus_st+=/wrecking_throw,if=active_enemies=1
actions.colossus_st+=/rend,if=dot.rend_dot.remains<=gcd*5
actions.colossus_st+=/slam

this apl is the -0.2%

for 1t 5min

[main bear]

what talents are those

[sharp wyvern]

the one above bladestorm/ravager

[main bear]

im not in a ST colossus build fwiw, im playing the vanguard 3t build

[quick acorn]

I see it now, ty!!

[main bear]

thats all im talking about

pretty much identical to the m+ build

[thick kelp]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus/EAOBRUUVRVQWZRqQQBRNVVUVCZREWRUF0CFUFFVVVUBV

this one

Can get it a step further and go oam

but its bad in 1t, better in 2+t

even with oam its this

this is accounting for wed changes this apl

actions.colossus_st=rend,if=dot.rend_dot.remains<=gcd|cooldown.colossus_smash.remains<2&dot.rend_dot.remains<=10
actions.colossus_st+=/sweeping_strikes,if=active_enemies=2&(cooldown.colossus_smash.remains&buff.sweeping_strikes.down|!talent.broad_strokes)
actions.colossus_st+=/ravager,if=cooldown.colossus_smash.remains<=gcd
actions.colossus_st+=/avatar
actions.colossus_st+=/colossus_smash
actions.colossus_st+=/cleave,if=buff.ravager.remains&buff.collateral_damage.stack=3
actions.colossus_st+=/champions_spear
actions.colossus_st+=/demolish,if=debuff.colossus_smash.up&buff.colossal_might.stack>0
actions.colossus_st+=/heroic_strike,if=active_enemies=2
actions.colossus_st+=/mortal_strike
actions.colossus_st+=/heroic_strike
actions.colossus_st+=/overpower,if=active_enemies=2
actions.colossus_st+=/overpower
actions.colossus_st+=/cleave,if=talent.mass_execution&target.health.pct<35
actions.colossus_st+=/execute
actions.colossus_st+=/whirlwind,if=active_enemies=2&buff.collateral_damage.stack=3
actions.colossus_st+=/wrecking_throw,if=active_enemies=1
actions.colossus_st+=/rend,if=dot.rend_dot.remains<=gcd*5
actions.colossus_st+=/cleave,if=active_enemies=2
actions.colossus_st+=/slam```

[main bear]

only meaningful change i see is arterial bleed. Maybe that increase deep wounds value enough for cleave to take precedent

who knows

for 0.2% even im just not pressing slam in ST bc its weird

also not sure what gear you have to get that number. Like i said, stats could make the prio change

im just pulling vanguard tn and trying to figure out how to play it

[thick kelp]

this is in full bis ofc

[main bear]

yeah that makes sense

so the answer might just be to sim your own character if you want to play optimally with current gear

[thick kelp]

also I think the apl u were using might be like 1 or two rounds of tuning behind

[fresh spire]

Raidbots hasn't been updates for last weeks stuff nor today's stuff.

[smoky kayak]

I'll be pushing updates today when I have some free time

[main bear]

how much is execute rising in prio (in and out of execute windows)?

[lone raft]

Ty Archi

[near ice]

Does anyone know of a good way to track trinket procs to add to bcdm buff bar?

or is that an apl limitation

[obsidian wave]

Is Arms back bois?

[fervent cedar]

It never left

[sand totem]

Oh, can we not put non engineer embellishments on engineer plate pieces?

[obsidian wave]

I don't understand this system either. If I'm engi can I craft bracers with embellishment + engi embellish?

[fleet spindle]

Gentlemen, with the arms adjustments, have you found yourself being accepted to keys maybe a just a lil bit more?

[shadow ibex]

just have high ilvl and high io and get invited as any spec

[leaden ice]

honest and true

[elder zealot]

Yeah, get yourself 3k io and you should get auto invited to most things

[latent moss]

i have a 16 magisters and i dont get insta invited into 11s

xdd

into 11 magisters

[frail crystal]

question regarding m+, dont have much arms xp: do you use sweeping strikes or smash again if the pull is dieing in the next 10-15 secs?

[shadow ibex]

get a feel for it as you play more

CS has like a 25-30 sec CD with AM

30 is probably on the long side tbh

[frail crystal]

yep 🙂

[leaden ice]

If in doubt: ZUGZUG

ngl

[old glacier]

What boss can arms do okay at besides vanguard?

[leaden ice]

whenever I ask myself if I should hold cooldowns I regret it

[latent moss]

vorasius

at least thats what khawarr-zu'jin says

i trust him

[minor gust]

tbh at this point arms will do okay on every boss

[fleet spindle]

Damm thats brutal im sorry and very unfair, youd easily top the meter

[old glacier]

This is pre-tomorrows buffs.

[minor gust]

its pugging basically any dps spec wont be instantly invited. you want insta invites play tank

[rose ibex]

Im super excited to try out my new 4pc

[old glacier]

No I'm just talking about stroking my ego to damage meters

[fleet spindle]

I was wondering cause i really wanna prot main, but damn dude arms is so damn cool and fun

[nova marsh]

https://youtube.com/shorts/_l44IuduEdo?si=WIp4LOEYyXgUe5zK guys the blizzard media team is griefing our damage

[frail crystal]

do you know ca how much value has sweeping strikes in a pull like 5-8 enemies? second question.. rotation changes tomorrow for colossus? maybe less cleave in single target? 😄

[nova marsh]

For vanguard

[old glacier]

Invites go just fine.

[rose ibex]

Play both :)

[worldly rivet]

timewalking rag kill is ez money for hero item.

[fleet spindle]

Absolutely viable for sure lol, i guess a personal thing id prefer to focus a single spec

[rose ibex]

Your spec is warrior

Your class is warrior

[nova marsh]

Do people still offer the free skips?

[rose ibex]

Your main is warrior

Your alt? Warrior

[fleet spindle]

Lolol

[nova marsh]

Wrong its rogue

[fleet spindle]

Ty made me laugh

[rose ibex]

Become warrior

[worldly rivet]

yeah a lot are

[rose ibex]

Ultimate warrior

[worldly rivet]

just found one in about 4 minutes

[rose ibex]

Relinquish your brain cells

Embrace weapons and heavy objects

[nova marsh]

Sweet, ill do a quickie when I get home

[rose ibex]

One day you will be buffed

[nova marsh]

Cmon man 😭

[rose ibex]

You will be loved

People will want you in their groups

[nova marsh]

Why you gotta do me dirtier then a rogue in Wpvp in classic

[rose ibex]

I invite all rogues to my groups

[nova marsh]

Based

[rose ibex]

Except sub rogues

Boomies also get invites

[nova marsh]

I invite all warrs to my group

[rose ibex]

No class left behind

[nova marsh]

Wait boomies are bad?

[rose ibex]

Iunno they seem unpopular

Same with shammies

[nova marsh]

The ones I've played with do fine

[rose ibex]

Oh they destroy

[fleet spindle]

Some warrior pride dueling ppl back in BFA

[rose ibex]

Still, I like to invite the rarer classes that typically dont get invites

The rare times I solo my own keys anyways

Win pass whatever. We all want gear

Get the loot

Kill the boss get the loot

[nova marsh]

Yeah I like inviting underrated classes

A lot of times they blast

[rose ibex]

Enh shams pump tbh

The rogues that do play rogue are all pumpers as well

Rogue is a class where the people who play it are usually very dedicated

[unreal ivy]

You could say they are.... outlaw's

[rose ibex]

If I had a nickel for every shitty demo lock ive played with i could buy myself lunch

[pulsar frost]

Or you might say rogues are subs

[rose ibex]

And I LOVE demo lock

Like one of my favorite specs ever

[nova marsh]

I literally picked up rogue this season

[rose ibex]

Its just so fun with all your imps and summons. Its like the caster of fury warrior

[nova marsh]

Its a blast bgl

[rose ibex]

5 alts later the winds blew me to warrior. I honestly thought id be a feral druid or spriest this season

What kind of rogue are you?

[nova marsh]

Outlaw

With sub on the side when I want to turn my brain off

[rose ibex]

I plan to level one eventually. Maybe after my holy pally. Outlaw looks super coooool

[nova marsh]

Its honestly dope

I tried frost dk

Hated the whole class

[rose ibex]

I tried levelling one back un dragonflight but I got distracted. Tbh the energy system kinda rubs me the wrong way

[nova marsh]

Im waiting till Sunday to power level my warrior

Energy with 4pc dosent feel too bad

[rose ibex]

But learning feral made me appreciate it more

[nova marsh]

You still run out sometimes but tbh its...about as much as arms?

Honestly resources feel kinda ass across all the specs I play this season

[rose ibex]

Outlaw looks especially plate spinny which isnt really my jam but im still interested because I love the pirate theme and goofy gambling

Flipping coins rolling dice

Shooting pistols

[nova marsh]

Between the eyes is straight neuron activations

[rose ibex]

Yarrrr!

[nova marsh]

When it crits and I see 100k I just

[rose ibex]

Pirates > ninjas

[nova marsh]

[rose ibex]

Haha

[nova marsh]

Honestly this season is oddly some of the most fun I've had with wow in a hot minute

Like when I died because I forgot to tricks the tank

[mystic summit]

heroic boe saved me from my gold pit from crafting 🙂

[nova marsh]

I feel ya

Ive spent 100k on both boots and a weapon....its gonna get worse

[mystic summit]

400k leather boots

[nova marsh]

...

NICE

[rose ibex]

Oh dude. Normally im burnt out by now. The raid is fun and the extra week took a lot of pressure off deciding what to play

Im more comfortable with my pick

[nova marsh]

I dont burn out till later

[shut blade]

Excuse me, how do I track sweeping strikes stacks?

[nova marsh]

But this is the absoutle furthest I've gotten in week 2

[nova marsh]

Should be in the cooldown manager under buffs

[rose ibex]

I honestly cannot wait to start gearing another character and maybe even try healing

[nova marsh]

Yeah im 266

Looking forward to an alt for the first time since legion

[rose ibex]

Same. I think all I gotta do is my weekly mythics and raid and otherwise im free to do whatever

Im playing boomie atm and the changes are pretty nice

[nova marsh]

I'll probably end up doing just 8 10s

[shut blade]

This makes sense, but I can only track the CD of sweeping strikes. I want to track the STACKS of sweeping strikes

[rose ibex]

I basically have 4pc already and I barely did anything on my boomie lol

[nova marsh]

On rogue and then playing warr

[mystic summit]

i might finally level my gnome lock with that new trading post outfit coming out

[shut blade]

Theres no Sweeping strikes buff to be tracked on Blizzards Cooldown tracker 😠

[nova marsh]

Show a screen rq?

[mystic summit]

there is

[rose ibex]

Speaking of rogue, what kind of buffs you think outlaw needs to get them into a healthier state? Like aura buffs or buffs to specific abilities?

[nova marsh]

I don't play well enough but

[shut blade]

oh but dont worry, I can track the sweeping strike Cooldown twice 😄

[nova marsh]

Probably just a few auras. Nothing feels extremely low, maybe a sinster strike buff

[mystic summit]

maybe try removing one of them

[rose ibex]

My buddy says the same

[nova marsh]

But its also harder for me to say buttons feel bad cuz no damage

[scarlet mortar]

is crucible a bait trinket rn or

[rose ibex]

Ive heard its bugged

And the console upgrades for it actually work outside of the void zone

[scarlet mortar]

i have heart of the wind and solar flare prism but the sims are not simming what blood mallet is telling me

[minor gust]

bloodmallet is not your character

[scarlet mortar]

yeah but someone said the voidspire trinket is sim bait

but not sure if thats reliable info

[minor gust]

its not its just a good trinket

[stable fiber]

i feel like it undersims

personally

[pulsar frost]

maybe we all are just bait

[stable fiber]

but what do i know

[quaint snow]

Bloodmallet is funny

[stable fiber]

1:30 trinket giving 700 haste and lets you extend your cs into your next cs not simming a insane amount

is a bit insane to me

atleast on 3t

[stable fiber]

bloodmallet sims 3t and 5t in the ST talents

so its not worth to look at

[pulsar frost]

what trink is this again?

[stable fiber]

you need to go sim yourself

[stable fiber]

guidon

[pulsar frost]

trink sounds like crack

[quaint snow]

Bloodmallet has never been useful and I’m shocked it’s still a thing

[scarlet mortar]

guidon?

[pulsar frost]

ive never used bloodmallet and just simmed tbh

[stable fiber]

nah bloodmallet is defo good for a general idea

of what to aim for

also has bis profiles

[quaint snow]

[stable fiber]

but its not good with multitarget sims

only ST

[fossil thistle]

Bloodmallet has 3t and 5t doesn’t it

[fossil thistle]

Knowing blizzard? It’s probably like
Sweeping strikes
Sweeping Strikes

[stable fiber]

yes

but it uses ST talents

and its slayer

the difference between 3t slayer and colossus

is fucking massive

[fossil thistle]

That’s fair

I’d just add all the trinkets at 272 and sim

[stable fiber]

its still a upgrade

but only 1k

which in a 230k 3t sim 1k isnt a whole lot

i just expected it to be a little more

[fossil thistle]

People see an arms warrior pump and they’re like “👁️👄👁️ bro leave some hp for us”

[rose ibex]

The real bait was the friends we made along the way

[crude arrow]

Which weapon enchantment should I use in the raid?

[limber apex]

did you guys feel the impact of the arms buff?

[minor ivy]

tfw ur alt gets the trinket you've been farming on your main all week -.- and ur main gets bis trinket but hero track -.-

[soft relic]

how do we get this weeks catalyst charge?

tryin to be a 4p gamer

[pine wren]

You automatically have it

You should have banked two just for existing, and KSM gets you +1

[soft relic]

shii, ya, didnt realize i had to open the one from ksm

thanks homie

[candid pecan]

wait hold up hodl up

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-12-0-5-ptr-development-notes-for-march-31st-weapon-sheathing-transmog-and-381068?utm_source=discord-webhook

let them cook

I guess

[sharp wyvern]

more demolishes

cleave nerfs next

[shadow ibex]

just remove

CC

[fresh spire]

i dont think it's an awful change.

the additonal CDR is pretty nice for both ST and AOE

and ofc the extra reaps from cleave % chance should balance out the lost cleave

[minor gust]

the cdr for aoe will explode

to a point you just slap that bitch on cd

[fresh spire]

though, only having 2 extra cleaves may shake up the value for CC pushing more towards less AOE builds if they tune well

[steep osprey]

They'll probably have to nerf cleave

[fresh spire]

i dont think they will touch cleave anymore. they want it to be the main aoe button of the spec.

the interactions for cleave though outside of itself is still pretty strong

[minor gust]

reap the storm proc chance try to be left a lone challenge impossible

[fresh spire]

(factoring mortal wounds is already shot for cleave but slam still can apply it)

[fresh spire]

with the change to not having it on MS and BT they need to buff it more in my opinion. like 35% again

though it feels more weird for fury as WW isn't really the "aoe button" while cleave is for arms

[tacit crystal]

surely this is a colo buff

[minor gust]

yeah it needs to be higher. Just more laughing at how this shit has been adjusted in like every other set of notes

[tacit crystal]

esp in st

[sharp wyvern]

where are the execute buffs to compensate the reap dmg

[fresh spire]

i mean it should be a buff for ST for sure

[reef mauve]

Crys in psychic link.

[shadow ibex]

probably minor for ST

you could math how many mroe addtl casts right?

the math is possible rn i mean

[fresh spire]

gotta remember just how insane it is for 2 target

having CDR buff for MS when it can apply up to 4 stacks in one press

[shadow ibex]

2t thats insane

its 5 sec from 2?

[tacit crystal]

yes

[shadow ibex]

they probably grow a brain

and make it 3

[fresh spire]

could get 20seconds cdr from a ms on 2x crits

[shadow ibex]

cuz 5 is insane

0% chance that goes live servers

[fresh spire]

it will go live

[shadow ibex]

i mean ill take it

[sharp wyvern]

this is a good change to take dmg out of cleave

[fresh spire]

colossus needs that ST push that this change gives.

[candid pecan]

Colossus St everywhere, m+, raid, everywhere

[shadow ibex]

i still dont believe they want that

[candid pecan]

LOL

[fresh spire]

Lowering CC valuye while pushing monster ms value

[shadow ibex]

but ill be happy to be wrong

[steep osprey]

They can easily nerf Cleave just for demo

But reducing one against many

It's literally there

[fresh spire]

i wouldn't be against it after what almost the entire of last expansion as slayer

[sharp wyvern]

maybe this is finally the time wherre colossus becomes a ST spec

[shadow ibex]

fuck slayer

[minor gust]

need a flip flop give slayer some giga aoe and let it be the M+ spec xD

[shadow ibex]

it would be nice to play colossus in raid

[minor gust]

im having a lot of fun in slayer keys

fuck colo

[shadow ibex]

after 4 tier?

[sharp wyvern]

they are taking the best thing about slayer so idm playing coll

[sharp wyvern]

what if SD wouldnt reap tho

[fresh spire]

i like slayer in keys

[minor gust]

got reverted thanks to me

[fresh spire]

i think it plays way cleaner and thats only becuase SD reap feels satisfying to press in aoe more so than ms and op

[minor gust]

your welcome

[fresh spire]

Same time think about colossus getting 20 seconds cdr from big crits is fucking nuts too. demolish central. pound town

[shadow ibex]

MS and op as slayer just feel bad period

[dire hinge]

i take a short break to eat a whole costco chicken with my bare hands and crushing combo gets nerfed

cosmic punishment

[tacit crystal]

its okay

[stable fiber]

crushing combo change is probably good

[tacit crystal]

colo will be good now

[dire hinge]

the Demo change is quite nice though

[minor gust]

the dmg is really good too even if less that colo because you still have 0 problems competing with out specs. + ur boss dmg is a bit better. This the most competitive Slayer has ever been with colo

[untold pewter]

Big fan of the CDR on demo

[stable fiber]

lose 1 charge of crushing combo for insane cdr on demo

[sharp wyvern]

when was this ?

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069 This channel is your friend

[sharp wyvern]

if it hits multiple targets

[untold pewter]

Why so slow with these changes Blizz, god damn it
We could be having fun SINCE LAUNCH

[sharp wyvern]

[minor gust]

they are set on no more reap in ST

[dire hinge]

been having fun the whole time ngl

[minor gust]

but that doesnt matter they compromised and are letting us keep aoe SD

[shadow ibex]

ill believe this when its patch day

[minor gust]

which is all that matters

[untold pewter]

Week 1 arms my soul got crushed

Coming back to it now

[sharp wyvern]

still waiting for execute buffs for ST

[untold pewter]

Was playing stinky fury

[dire hinge]

Arms big chillin

[minor gust]

expecting retuning eventually but uh heard this is release build for ptr so uhhh

slayer ST might still be dead

[steep osprey]

Why can't they touch OAM??

[sharp wyvern]

collosus ST here we go

[steep osprey]

Just nerf it to keep Cleave good at a baseline level

So it's actually good for Slayer

Change one against many to demolish does more damage based on number of targets

Or some shit

[stable fiber]

rend radius increase

sneaky good qol buff

pmo when some mobs should get hit by rend and dont

[minor gust]

lol yup

[steep osprey]

Two more weeks

[minor gust]

rending mid charge and missing half the pack

good shit

[steep osprey]

Don't rend mid charge

Skill issue

[river ridge]

I low key just wana spec Thunderclap again so I dont' even have to think about it xD

[steep osprey]

Has anyone here watched Lost?

Random question

[shadow ibex]

hell no

[steep osprey]

Damn

[errant citrus]

Fury in shambles

[steep osprey]

Until they giga buff thunder Blast

Quote me on this

[sharp wyvern]

they dont want people going around saying thunderclap does more than thunderblast again

[stable fiber]

bro

you can get 20 seconds of cdr on 1 mortal strike cast

wtf

[ruby karma]

how is arms rn in terms of feeling regardless of performance? is it feeling good or clunky?

[steep osprey]

[dire hinge]

📈

Demo stonks going up

[stable fiber]

yeah this is good

holding cs less is nice

[dire hinge]

it can seem slightly overwhelming in paper because a few different things will try to yell at you for attention, but in practice it plays quite smooth

[steep osprey]

This is going to make colossus broken in m+

[stable fiber]

20 seconds of cdr is insane for a 45 second ability

[steep osprey]

They definitely have tuning planned for this

[stable fiber]

it already is broken

the st really isnt in the dumpster either

its just mid

[shadow ibex]

ill believe that when it hits live

[steep osprey]

There's one simple thing they can do

[shadow ibex]

if they wanna keep it at 5

they 1000% cap

[steep osprey]

Nerf one against many

Gg

[shadow ibex]

the amount of cdr per cast

they will just add a (max number of seconds of CDR) cuz 20 is insane

[steep osprey]

Maybe they'll remove the crit component

[dire hinge]

lmao hopefully they dont double Demo's CD (would still technically be better than the 2sec reduction)

[frail void]

i wouldn't say just mid, is probably the lowest ST of the specs ngl

[shadow ibex]

that too

[stable fiber]

dont think so

but what do i know

[ruby karma]

sounds good, I'll try it then and see how I feel

[shadow ibex]

its def not launching at crits are double value and every stack is 5 seconds

hellll no

[steep osprey]

Would you guys be ok with nerfing OAM

[dire hinge]

this whole Arms channel is (usually) extremely helpful and inviting, so if you every feel confused or overwhelmed just make a post here and we can point you in the right direction 🎉

Apes strong together, and whatnot

[steep osprey]

They're gonna have to giga buff slayer

[dire hinge]

unless you ask me why the wowhead opening rotation is different before i've had my coffee then i guess i accidentally come off as hostile 😭 (sorry Nino ilu)

[shadow ibex]

i can see them capping the amount of CDR per global to 10

which is still more than if you got 4 crits on live

i think

[obsidian wave]

Gamers I am a Prot main pugger that's being picked up to dps. All my gear is haste/crit for prot so naturally Arms makes the most sense. Am I cooked for CE prog as Arms or do I commit?

(they want me to play Fury but Fury is boring af)

[dire hinge]

it depends on the fight, basically

[shadow ibex]

i promise on my life you can play whatever you like more

https://tenor.com/view/if-i'm-lyin'-i'm-flyin'-maurice-sistas-i'm-straight-up-no-cap-telling-the-truth-no-need-for-a-lie-gif-14409348036892536183

[obsidian wave]

I would be at a greater disadvantage running Fury with no mastery than Arms in current state of game?

[dire hinge]

Sims would be able to answer that one better, but it also depends on how much one of the specs clicks with you compared to the other

a well played arms warrior is better than a poorly played fury warrior

[sullen raft]

https://tenor.com/view/wise-gif-18860997

[dire hinge]

Fury is, however, generally tankier thanks to the second weapon giving them more stamina which can be important for prog

for example, there has been one (1) public log for Arms on Mythic Dragons, while there has been like 100 for Fury.
There's also two (2) public logs for Vanguards, and none for Fury, so

[toxic socket]

with the arms buffs, would you say fury is still better in m+?

[rose ibex]

Uhhh

Arms nerf, colossus buff, slayer meh buff?

[dire hinge]

i mean with the changes that just got announced like 1hr ago it might change things, so tbd

[obsidian wave]

Fair point.

[dire hinge]

demolish just got GIGA buffed

[rose ibex]

Yeah

I hope it doesnt force us to play it

[nova marsh]

That is

[rose ibex]

Colossus will feel the cleave combo nerf more than slayer

[nova marsh]

A pretty big cdr increase for colo

[rose ibex]

Yeah its insane

[nova marsh]

Cleave nerf is a big rip

[rose ibex]

Tbh... yes but not surprised

[nova marsh]

Whats the cd of demo again? 45?

[steep osprey]

You know what would be a big rip nerf, deleting one against many

Please blizzard

[obsidian wave]

What is determining people running Colossus for Imp but Slayer for rest?

[soft gust]

Adds

Col has high aoe

[obsidian wave]

Dragons has just as many adds as Imp tho but they're diff specs

[dire hinge]

the timing might be a little different, i haven't broken it down exactly

[rose ibex]

The demo buff is probably insane right?

[dire hinge]

imp almost perfectly aligns with Colossus CDs and you do insane burst damage that carries your overall

lets you put more people on single target if an arms warrior can just manage most of the spawn

[obsidian wave]

This is just the Colo m+ spec?

[minor ivy]

I'm so often waiting for demo cd to enter cs window, wish they'd just add the demo cdr change now

[mortal crag]

ok

im so sad

it seems

i actually have to play arms now

[rose ibex]

Oh this is all ptr shit

None of it matters then

[mortal crag]

u think it wont happen kekw

[rose ibex]

You can always make a forum post about it

[dire hinge]

no, they mean it wont like, go live next week

[rose ibex]

Get 66+ signups

See if they change it

[pine wren]

Are sims updated to today's buffs? My Arms still sims 6+k lower than my fury

[shadow ibex]

just casually half the CD on demolish

with a single cast

[rose ibex]

All subject to change

As well

[dire hinge]

yes, large banner across the top

[rose ibex]

These PTR changes are just tests

[echo geode]

is arms better than fury now in dungeons after the buffs today?

[rose ibex]

Same same

[rugged ferry]

what are we crafting this week? Bracers?

[dire hinge]

bracers or cape good

[rose ibex]

Fury is better single target but worse aoe burst

Warrior dps is fairly close in terms of value across all builds specs

[ionic mica]

arms cranks keys until you get hit with a single big bossman sadly

[rose ibex]

This is the way but you cannot have it all

[echo geode]

ohh interesting i thought fury mountain thane was worse in st than arms. cool cool

[ionic mica]

a few more weeks of MS and exe buffs

[rose ibex]

If you want it all go play demo or frost mage or something

[echo geode]

no thanks those classes pit me to sleep

[ionic mica]

the most "balanced" spec would be fury of some kind yeah, solid aoe and st

[echo geode]

press shiny button press shadow bolt simulator

[rose ibex]

Atm warrior is weighted to kill weaklings and chaffe. Embrace it

[ionic mica]

but arms lets you tear up packs like a madman

[rose ibex]

Fury is definitely more balanced i think

[echo geode]

cool ty ty!

[rose ibex]

But still leans on aoe

[stoic siren]

what build is everyone using now with the updates and buffs for mythic plus

[rose ibex]

Im just trying to say play what you think is the most fun

[echo geode]

i see cook

[rose ibex]

Because its all good

[echo geode]

*cool

i like both a lot so idc too much will play what is best but cool they have their niches

[rose ibex]

In fact you can switch it up! Warrior is great right now. Not the best but generally good

I love that I can play arms or fury and whatever hero talent and still have good value (except maybe colossus on st)

[echo geode]

ya just stat weights are diff so wanted to figure it out before crafting

[rose ibex]

Oh I hear ya

[ionic mica]

you would be fine with a haste/crit/mastery piece here and there as either spec it wont make or break you

[rose ibex]

Maybe try to get a crit haste and a crit mastery weapon

Then play either spec

[echo geode]

cool cool ya i can always recraft anyway

[halcyon valve]

Holy moly is that more and better demolishes i see

[rose ibex]

Whatever you do, stack haste if you want to play arms and fury i figure

[rose ibex]

Wild wacky ptr time

[ionic mica]

you can have different rings/neck to swap stats pretty well between the 2 specs

[rose ibex]

Oh man. The dream is finding a mythic haste axe from raid in your vault

From the new raid

Double haste

[echo geode]

will do ty

cant get it unless do mythic raid right

not sure if ill get into mythic raiding

[rose ibex]

Oh iunno. That sounds really hard

[echo geode]

its easier this season but yea still a commitment

[jagged finch]

Can someone explain to me because im stupid, why craft the bracers, when the ring as a example sims way better & the ring also has a passive

[ionic reef]

Is arm competing with fury now?

[rose ibex]

Always has

In dungeon

Maybe not raid

[vernal agate]

it would be more competitive if i didnt suck dick at st on the dungeon spec

[flint cedar]

Heroic Imp - I JUST want to beat the fucking broke unholy

[austere rampart]

is arms sims on raidbot up to date?

[onyx rapids]

saw some biz youtube clips
switching to arms
damn colossus smashes are different

[austere rampart]

what do you mean

[sudden owl]

did the execute damage move the needle on a slayer arms key build at all

[obsidian echo]

Well well well

Watch all the Fury peeps come here now

Hehehe

[olive nest]

is there no way to track whirlwind?

like on the cdm

[tacit crystal]

@fresh spire do you has number

[fresh spire]

for

[tacit crystal]

colo buff

[fresh spire]

as in todays changes or ptr changes

[tacit crystal]

ptr

ik today is like 3-4

and probably less for colo

[fresh spire]

nah, somone with more brains that me need to edit modules to make everything work correctly.
wont change much stuff so early into ptr cycles when they go back on changes in the weeks sometimes. waste of their time

[rose ibex]

Ive seen a trickle of new folks every patch. Its kind of funny

[fresh spire]

though, trying colossus on dummies, CS and demo line up cleaner in st while it comes up much faster in aoe

[tacit crystal]

sounds good

do you think its worth to presweep while gather is happening

up to like 15s befor

to start getting cm stacks

surely has to

might pull aggro

but

[mortal crag]

just dont pull aggro

[chrome bay]

arms or fury for m+?

[fresh spire]

Cleave and rend when stacking. Start generating stacks

[rose ibex]

Yes

[mortal crag]

ok

arms is destined

one arms key

[rose ibex]

Whatever you want. Everything is performing well

Do what you think is fun

[hoary palm]

Not even dps apply to my keys this season

Wtf

[mystic summit]

What’s so good about the void law gauntlets? Is it just the shadow damage?

[mortal crag]

is it normal to be INSANELY ragestarved

like

EVERY pull

[mortal crag]

yes

[mystic summit]

Voidclaw

Okay thx

[rose ibex]

Use it with the raid neck i think

[mortal crag]

but yes

raid neck works with it

[modern cove]

Umbral plume is now stronger than Gaze for us? Its simming better for me.

[tacit crystal]

it is

[austere rampart]

what most of people sims? 5min patchwerk?

[rose ibex]

Otherwise I think the gloves from windrunner is bis

Crit haste

[mortal crag]

i mean, id imagine even without neck

those hands r bis

you can change stat allocations

but u cant change the damage buff

[rose ibex]

You can change stat allocations?

Wow news to me

[potent summit]

how accurate is the assisted highlight for arms anyone know

[sharp dust]

Anyone have an addon for keeping count how many dungeons youre not invited for? 😛

[tacit crystal]

what is invoted

[sharp dust]

a typo

[mortal crag]

??

im saying you control your stats

not the item's stats

[rose ibex]

Oh yeah sure

[mortal crag]

so the hands that give you a benefit that you cant get anywhere else are probably bis

and you just allocate the correct stat somewhere else

[rose ibex]

I remember seeing those gloves there before but lately they got taken off the bis lists

[kind thunder]

what we thinking bout slayer changes

[rose ibex]

What about?

[minor gust]

thats like 3 weeks old

and outdated

[kind thunder]

tf it says an hour ago

nvm im tweaking

[mortal crag]

what am i doing wrong because i rage starve almost every pull/every boss

[hoary palm]

Damn they really nerfed our aoe but didn’t buff our single target

I don’t even mind the nerf but cmon

[minor gust]

more demo cdr is a st buff

[lethal acorn]

Thank God

[hoary palm]

Demo in single target?

[minor gust]

yes that is indeed a button you press in ST

[hoary palm]

I would never run it on a raid boss

[minor gust]

you will when they dont retune slayer after these changes

and slayer dies in ST

[hoary palm]

Guess im rerolling then

[polar portal]

These slayer changes are honestly just bad

[rose ibex]

Agreed but they used to be far worse

[minor gust]

none of it really changes slayers gameplay its just no more reap in ST

[astral yarrow]

everything they've done to warrior this xpac has sucked giant donkey wang

[rose ibex]

Im still concerned about 12.05

No reap on single target still stinks

[dire hinge]

they did increase its proc chance on ST, but yeah

[minor gust]

you mean aoe cuz you cant proc reap in ST

[dire hinge]

Mortal Strike procs it, no?

[minor gust]

no only cleave on 3+

[rose ibex]

I think they just adjusted it to being the same as it currently is

[dire hinge]

oh did i miss that change?

[rose ibex]

Likes its 20% on mortal strike atm

On the latest notes it says 20%

[dire hinge]

ohhhh that was the one from last week, thank you

[rose ibex]

Its so confusing. I wish I could just see the overall changes and not the edits they do every week

[dire hinge]

they keep changing the spec every 2 days 😭

[minor gust]

MS was removed in the first set of 12.05 notes

just grabbed that one

[rose ibex]

Wut

Ugh

[dire hinge]

bear in mind it's PTR changes and not live yet

[rose ibex]

Cant keep track of it all

[minor gust]

its also not a big deal

[rose ibex]

12.05 got green lit i think

[dire hinge]

when the PTR hits live it'll all come through as one big change log

[mortal crag]

any1

[minor gust]

they just need to buff the ST to compensate for the loss of reap

[rose ibex]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/midnight-patch-12-0-5-ptr-build-66741-now-a-release-candidate-381069?utm_source=discord-webhook

[minor gust]

until then slayer is dead

[polar portal]

But have you considered that spinning is cool?

[minor gust]

and

thats still a thing

[rose ibex]

More spinning the better

[minor gust]

just now it requires 2t with SS for SD to proc reap

[polar portal]

Okay yeah

Still bad though

Just not as bad

[minor gust]

its bad in the context if they dont do any compensation

if they do the change doesnt matter

just no spin animation in ST oh no

[polar portal]

Well yeah, but spinning is cool

[minor gust]

[mortal crag]

what am i doing wrong because i rage starve almost every pull/every boss

[minor gust]

get more crit

play with a shaman

[dire hinge]

beg blizzard for rage generation 😭

[astral yarrow]

i am just playing something else for farm 💀

[blazing arrow]

What’s the word on the street about troll arms?

[astral yarrow]

troll.. arms?

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-jungle-troll-troll-berserker-berserker-horde-gif-11783859925040883242

[fleet spindle]

i got my 10 key listed with a 2440 bm hunter and 2800 frost mage, and its been listed for 10+ mins without a healer or tank in queue. i thought thered be someone on reset day 😮

[mystic summit]

That’s why you friend a tank

[sharp dust]

dont invite DPS until you have healers and/or tank

[fleet spindle]

im slowly swapping to tank, this is part of the process sadly. i got a nice 272 shield from the vault, i just gotta time 7 more +10s to get crests and make a 1 sword

[sharp dust]

they also tend to find groups with their DPS friends

[mystic summit]

I just stare at lfg waiting for that shaman to pop up

[tulip breach]

well not really just that because reap the storm is the best part of slayer and never seeing it on a boss is ass

[minor gust]

you can go make your complaint heard then on the forums

they have doubled down already on SS for ST and reap for aoe

its happening

I personally dont care all that matters to me is the gameplay

dont even notice animations 99% of the time

[tulip breach]

nah i think i'll just keep not maining warr instead

[minor gust]

and yet you are here chatting

[tulip breach]

well i still have him in the corner

[mortal crag]

srsly?

more crit/shammy?

those r the only options?

[rare kite]

yes

[minor gust]

play better. build rage while tank gathers so you have enough for cds. weave more OPs inbetween cleave cd

but for the most part get crit and a shaman

weave in those SD procs too when your low

[mortal crag]

thats SO cringe

holy shit

i cant believe arms will be the play after 12.0.5

it feels SO ass with no shaman

[rare kite]

better start chargeweaving boah

[minor gust]

Running away from fury after one nerf

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-pathetic-principal-skinner-gif-14466183643373474835

[thick hamlet]

i don't even imagine arms will overtake fury with the changes

[rare kite]

in keys it 100% will

[minor gust]

It already does now

[fresh spire]

Clap changes kinds suck. More concerning both fury and aren't gotten any tuning in regards to reap being removed from St still.

Arms*

[minor gust]

It might not either

Considering it's release candidate

[rare kite]

it's debateable now. some people think it already does and some don't

[fresh spire]

Arms owns.

[rare kite]

i think it does if good comp(aka shaman)

[fresh spire]

[minor gust]

It's enough you can play whatever

[native ivy]

can someone link me the changes?

[fresh spire]

Tbh I've played without shamans and rage hadn't felt too bad

[minor gust]

I'ma enjoy my time in slayer only keys

Till 12.05

[rare kite]

#updates-midnight

[minor gust]

It's not you don't need a shaman for aoe ST it's really just rng

[turbid trail]

whats the build for M+ slayer?

[rare kite]

i've had a few times where i got lucky with hs procs then i just ran out of rage

[mortal crag]

huh

i played arms in tww s2 too

:>

but rage issues werent AS bad as now

[thick hamlet]

do you mean vanguard?

[minor gust]

No we were talking about M+

[thick hamlet]

gotcha

[austere rampart]

Anyone know if the ring loa worshipper is actually good?

its sims really high bbut i wonder if sim bait

[rancid robin]

Will those changes actually buff or nerf in AOE, i don't really know how to see this

[shy dew]

big nerf for fury thane and prot

[rancid robin]

wb arms, getting 1 less cleave reset is quite hard. But demolish CD reduce by 5 instead of 2 on the colossus

god damn

[shy dew]

yeah will align better with colossus

sometimes it doesn`t allign well as should

[rare kite]

colossus arms buff forsure. big thane nerf

[rancid robin]

most of the time it's quite align with colossus alrdy

[rare kite]

slayer nerf as well

[shy dew]

nerfing thane prot is kinda sad, brewmaster and prot pala 2x more dmg than prot

[fair tinsel]

Pure dartboard game balance

[jovial hare]

even chance sometimes works in ur favor
this is just someone taking out a vendetta on arms

./j
no idea what they're actually doing, but it seems like neither does blizzard

[rancid robin]

Finally, arms will be fcking owning key 😄

We're alrdy owning lowkey, but with all this changes daaaamn it's gonna be fun af

[minor gust]

it already is now

[rancid robin]

yeah only on boss we're still a bit riduculous

but if this goes live, even without being top ST dps holy i'm hype

[fair tinsel]

Hopefully the dartboard forgets arms after buffs

After that goofy fury nerf might be arms angle in key

[rancid robin]

Yeah otherwise the nerf hammer will come right after xd

[rancid robin]

Fury is alrdy over arms, this fury nerf was so random
Maybe with slayer buff fury will have another angle

[jovial hare]

id rather arm's damage profile not be so lopsided onto aoe

personally

[rancid robin]

arms over fury*

[fair tinsel]

Only angle it'll have is the trash bin

They near immediately fix unholy nerfs due to tears, but nah let's randomly slap fury

Same devs that nerf arms in beta (????)

[rancid robin]

x)

Idk what they are smoking with this patch, it's not live maybe they will change things. But i'm loving it
I missed all moments were arms was good soooooo me happy

[onyx rapids]

trying out arms in mythic plus
overall seems to be higher than fury but still ST is.... really sad

quick question!
wasnt there a bluepost stating theyvare going to reduce colossus might stacking to 5 instead of 10?

[rancid robin]

But our AOE is so overtune alrdy that we're still far ahead overall
Havn't heard of it

[echo rampart]

Really want to switch back to slayer arms, finally got my 4pc. But i need to make sure its worth

[onyx rapids]

oh my bad maybe it was in my dream or something lol

asian server reset is thursday
cant wait to open the vault.

[fossil thistle]

We're sooo dooomed

[rancid robin]

XD

kek

it's so little out of ravager burst

while we win 3 sec on demolish refresh i mean

[somber dirge]

am I taking myth weapon from vault even if i have crafted? or myth shoulders from skyreach?

[echo rampart]

open the vault and sim it in Raidbots with the SimC addon output, Raidbots-Top Gear will give you the option to sim gear in your vault before you choose

[finite night]

anyone kno why i'd be at 5 sparks this week? xd

[echo rampart]

spend harder xD

[finite night]

na i mean 5 maximum

o

abundance event xd

[naive steeple]

someone with hero weapon or some ilvl betwen 260-265 can send me a sim from single target?

[stuck geyser]

my vault has a myth Puzzle Box in it, but my sims don't really seem impressed by it compared to Heart of Wind/Ancient Hunger. Is the sim wrong or is Puzzle Box actually not that great?

[naive steeple]

with arms build

[echo rampart]

yeah, the sim priotizes Haste for arms. Puzzle still is S tier for arms burst. Ancient hunger same tier. Id go with Puzzle/Hunger combo but thats just me. I want that hunger trinket bad.

[naive steeple]

can you send me a picture from your sim in single target please? i want see a thing

and aoe if possible

[tight wing]

the world tour

[median canyon]

do we change anything in our M+ build after the buffs today?

[minor gust]

no

[median canyon]

so no execute talents?

[lime ruin]

go slayer and replace max execute with Deep Wounds

This is the way

[nova marsh]

I mean colo just dosent like exe

And colo is the main m+ build

[tawdry girder]

any arms pros can take a peak at my logs?

[nova marsh]

#1347646810457636974 best place for it

[rapid bronze]

I'm pumping, game's back

[scarlet mortar]

do we execute in single target or is it just better to hit cleave/slam?

[stable fiber]

arms real good on dragons

mythic dragons

play it

better boss dam then fury too

[minor gust]

Hes just that guy

[lime ruin]

uuhh is it me or is windwalker monk just a superior verision of arms atm

gameplay and performance wise

better ST dam better 3 target dam better burst damn

[rare kite]

ww aoe sustain is nothing compared to arms

[nova marsh]

Is it literally just because theyre both piano specs

[stable fiber]

so many padders too

smh

[nova marsh]

God

Please BURN cleave tiers in hell

[bold granite]

god colossus is a mess

[heady scaffold]

@bold granite do you mean that as in it takes a lot of work to play the spec compared to say fury?

[stable fiber]

not really

its a mess if you have no idea what you're doing

[minor ivy]

speaking of which, how long would we hold avatar for if ravager is on CD? and for that matter, how long would we hold CS for if avatar is on CD?

[stable fiber]

i dont hold at all in a m+ scenario

[minor ivy]

I suppose it depends on the pull thats going on and u gotta make the call but fk it feels bad popping avatar+CS when ravager has like 15-20 sec on CD 🙁

[stable fiber]

play it like a 3 min spec

essentially

[dire hinge]

if you have any issues or questions, just lmk, we're here to help

[bold granite]

It is not a cohesive design

compared to tww

[rare kite]

idk i think it's way more cohesive than tww

tww arms was the most dogshit spec i have ever played in my life(in raid)

[thick hamlet]

arms is arms, nothing is quite like it

[stable fiber]

in this scenario it depends on a couple of things, if you are going into a pull with 15-20 sec you send avatar with your cs+demo

[nova marsh]

Guys uhhh

[stable fiber]

but if a pull is like 25% hp i would wait

[nova marsh]

That's funny

[minor ivy]

Yeah I suppose I mean if you’re pulling

What about if you’re about to pull and avatar is on cd for like 15-20 sec but you have cs and demo up

Let’s assume pack will be alive if you held cs and waited for avatar

Fk I wish we had demo cdr buff this week

[stable fiber]

id wait

[minor ivy]

Roger - so like 25-30 secs is where you’d just use it

[sand totem]

God damn the 4 set feels so fucking good

[stable fiber]

its really fucking storng

[sand totem]

50% uptime on colossus smash :3

[nova marsh]

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/news/player-housing-coming-to-classic-news-from-the-wow-classic-development-team-381075?utm_source=discord-webhook

Omega bait

[spice field]

how tf are we S tier on m+ ????

[sweet tangle]

Cleave go burr

[minor gust]

omg tier lists wacky

[dire hinge]

yeaaaah tier lists are silly

[proud remnant]

How much crit is too much?

i can swap plume and get upto 40%

[minor gust]

until your sims wants other things

[stable fiber]

yo

this spec

OWNS

on mythic paladins

[dire hinge]

it's real fun

[spice field]

it's murlok io lists so it based on data

[dire hinge]

right

[spice field]

not some youtuber tier list or something

[minor gust]

not any different than youtuber tier lists

[dire hinge]

an arms player cleared a +18, so the site automatically is like "omg arms S tier"

[minor gust]

just people playing the game

[proud remnant]

Colossus on Paladins?

[spice field]

so what are we on the casual rankings with your experience in game

[dire hinge]

we're two weeks into the season, so not everybody has gear or is pushing keys to the limit yet. It's based on real data, absolutely, but the data set available isn't reflective of the peak performance possible or anything

[spice field]

i am curious 'cause i missed arms a lot

[dire hinge]

we're fine enough, struggle on single target but really good on AoE

[minor gust]

instead of looking at these lists just play what you wanna play

[dire hinge]

we also keep getting changed every 3 days so it's a shifting target constantly