arms

[midnight mural]

cant remember if its 24, 20 or 18 or how much

[mortal crag]

cm

24s

[dire hinge]

haha yeah no worries i gecha

[mortal crag]

ill have to watch a vod i think of biz or sth

just to see it in action kinda

if theres any funny business

what about heroic strike?

[rare kite]

gets consumed by cleave on 3 or more targets

if st/2t it's highest prio

[dire hinge]

exactly. Only press it manually if you're on 1 or 2 target. In AoE just spam cleave whenever cleave is available and it takes care of your HS procs automatically

[mortal crag]

do we ever cleave in st?

[dire hinge]

hahaha

technically yes!

it's cursed!

after tomorrow we wont though

[mortal crag]

3+ targets its basically spam cleave, no cleave click ms, no ms click overpower kinda thing?

[mortal crag]

how does the buff change the priority for st/2target for m+?

[dire hinge]

execute buffed 20% so it finally beats out Mass Execution-buffed Cleave

[latent moss]

xdd

[latent moss]

slam is dead in execute

[rare kite]

only problem if colossus you're gonna starve yourself(even more) when pressing execute

https://tenor.com/view/uncle-roger-haiyaa-gif-10286375727335900830

[mortal crag]

ait

so tmrw or sth i assume our lord and savior @smoky kayak will update wowhead

based on apl or w/e

and ill go over it again

[dire hinge]

an easier way to think of it might be:

1. For 1 target, follow the single target rotation on WoWhead
2. For 2 target, do the same as 1 target, but make sure you keep Sweeping Strikes up
3. For 3 target, do the AoE rotation

[latent moss]

im gonna run some sims to figure out if exe still kills slam even without skyfury

[mortal crag]

and then weds (EU GAMING) ill practice some

[latent moss]

cause skyfury apl is meaningless to me i play without a shaman

[clear wren]

For slayer in M+, do we just ignore ravager and replace demolish with bladestorm in the wowhead M+ opener?

[mortal crag]

yeah its what i figured

just gotta get used to it

if its simpler than tww s2 (collat stacking/minmaxing etc, maintaing buffs between pulls) ill be happy

and if it feels better ofc

i enjoyed arms SOMEWHAT, but it was cursed if things didnt line up

[latent moss]

@mortal crag

[midnight mural]

imho things does not really line up atm - it feels clunky

[latent moss]

tldr

wb+demo on cd unless pack is literalyl dead

[mortal crag]

frfr

[latent moss]

ava and ravager with them

thats all

[mortal crag]

basically theyre non-cooldowns

i only look at demo and cs

ty king

kind of how fury idc about odyns fury

[river ridge]

I think that ability is a blight on an otherwise very good spec

[latent moss]

ye

[mortal crag]

ait

tmrw is a new day

[dire hinge]

you got this

you're asking all the right questions, and we're here to help

[mortal crag]

how are the stats bois

[rare kite]

you talking about fury or arms? coz odyns is just a completely whatever ability

[fervent cedar]

More crit

[mortal crag]

i mean

fury gear

so

[river ridge]

Odyn's for Fury

[latent moss]

crit

[fervent cedar]

Stats are stats but crit is really important tbh

[dire hinge]

at this point in time ilvl is king, so dont worry too much about secondaries tbh

[mortal crag]

fury main

fury gear

[rose ibex]

Im really happy op and execute are getting buffed

[mortal crag]

im taking crit/haste as off pieces ofc whenever they drop

aka the wedding ring and the choker and the waist r all haste/crit

[fervent cedar]

Yeah you'll be fine

You have big ilvl

(For this early in season)

[steady orbit]

Do we have pins on how much of an ST buff the coming changes are for each hero talent?

[fervent cedar]

Like 3-4%

[river ridge]

I haven't seen a single jewelry piece drop since I started doing hero track keys.

[fervent cedar]

That being said the exe buffs do make slayer look kinda juicy ngl

[river ridge]

I need new rings and necks so bad

[fervent cedar]

Slayers actually p decent in M+ already

[timid elk]

I'm having fun with slayer in low keys

[dire hinge]

Slayer feels a lot more flexible, especially with pug tanks that be pulling random amounts of trash

[timid elk]

Def, it's wild down here

[lean sluice]

how big is that buff for arms ? in %

[dire hinge]

3-4% in Single Target. Won’t make or break anything

[tacit crystal]

wb colo

only real spec

[mortal crag]

I'll wait for biz news about slayer in m+

[icy mulch]

I'd say great for Fury, but it doesn't really seem to matter with the gear dungeons are spitting out right now.

[latent moss]

idk

colo is mao zedong on aoe

[fossil thistle]

The bonus effects work in raid n stuff right, not sim trap?

[icy mulch]

I tried it a couple times, but in a pug scenario you might as well go Fury and not worry about any of it.

[fossil thistle]

I never really watched it tbh

[sacred zodiac]

ye it does

[fossil thistle]

Ok thanks

[tacit crystal]

meow

[latent moss]

meow

[mortal crag]

meow

[fossil thistle]

no wait its suppose to be this one

https://tenor.com/view/spoingus-pass-the-tuna-down-gif-21178537

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/spoingus-pass-the-tuna-down-gif-21178537

[soft relic]

https://tenor.com/view/spoingus-pass-the-tuna-down-gif-21178537

[wild raft]

https://tenor.com/view/spoingus-pass-the-tuna-down-gif-21178537

[jovial hare]

aight who let the ferals in here

[gentle frigate]

What talents you guys running

for the raid

[terse osprey]

Arms deffinetly feels more fun now

I like the heroic strike proc

it feels satisfying

[icy mulch]

If only it had a better sound and animation.

[fervent cedar]

I've been playing arms colo and been doing fine 👍

[icy mulch]

I'm not saying Arms is bad in M+, I'm just saying that Fury is got a lot less fail points comparatively.

[hoary palm]

do we line up bladestorm with CS

[icy mulch]

Usually, but it will get desynced from time to time.

[hoary palm]

If it does do you just use it

[icy mulch]

If it makes sense.

CS will be up a lot more often.

[mortal crag]

Also having like 15-20% more st sure helps

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1365495737403572314/1488337691681624217/Recording_2026-03-31_024205.gif

[icy mulch]

Yeah, and my sims on AOE between Colossus and Thane doesn't seem to be too seperate.

[mortal crag]

If ur doing keys with mass aoe, low st dps and ur playing arms ur throwing

If ur playing 10s it doesn't matter

[obsidian otter]

Even if your top damage playing arms slayer your throwing because fury slayer would have done it better

[mortal crag]

I mean, play what u like innit

Arms has a place in m+ for sure

Just comp and key depend at

[obsidian otter]

It’s defently not a pug spec

[mortal crag]

Just need to know ur windows

Obv if ur tank pulls small it's pointless to play arms

[obsidian otter]

That’s where the randomness comes in that’s when you heroic throw some more into the pull!

[mortal crag]

LMAO

[obsidian otter]

Idk how many caverns I’ve ran where I do that and then position myself so they have to run through tank first 😂 and I’m running up near tank like it wasn’t me

[blissful tinsel]

I been signing up as fury and swapping to arms as they countdown to put the key in

[obsidian otter]

https://tenor.com/view/draco-malfoy-harry-potter-mewing-mew-slytherin-gif-8263298459687914233

I did that in TWW 😂

[mortal crag]

I just cba doing 10s

[blissful tinsel]

yeh fair I just been doing it for gear this week, not pushing yet

[mortal rivet]

I gotta ask, do yall find arms fun? Don’t care bout numbers just haven’t played arms in years

I just root for yall

[soft dew]

I find it fun yeah

In M+ it's cool, just on ST it's shit and then it's not as fun

[icy mulch]

Slayer is a lot of fun, Colossus feels a bit clunky but not bad.

[latent moss]

a lot of crit helps colo a lot in terms of fun

[flint cedar]

Its fun. Having a great time as slayer arms. ST will hopefully get better. But I DO from time to time swap to my fury thunder dwarf thane. It pleases the Gorlock

[fleet spindle]

Holy gigachad technology

[rose ibex]

Big thick demolish crits

[nova ravine]

Gigachad is signing up as Arms to begin with

[split laurel]

we playing slayer or colossus on m council after patch?

[brazen heron]

why are the warriors missing from simulationcraft listings 😮

[jovial hare]

"sorry cat got on keyboard"

[nova marsh]

To be fair like

Its hard to be a good pug spec on a class like warr

[halcyon void]

how much %gain we looking at for 31st buff?

[pulsar frost]

Whats the opener for aoe slayer?

[jaunty drift]

I typically rend then csmash into a few st abilities to juice up my cleave then use cleave, if the pack is a big one that’s gonn die quick I use 4 cleaves and mash that stormy storm, if it’s a smaller pack that’s gonna last awhile I always build my 3 cleave buff and smash that bad boy when I have it.

[minor gust]

charge > rend > CS/Ava > cleave x4 >SD (if any) > BS

[stray vessel]

anyone know whats the shortest delv?

[hushed pine]

The Grudge Pit..

[hollow quail]

arms has so many more buttons than fury 😔

[hushed pine]

The Grudge Pit...

[hushed pine]

Yeah but you're more likely to develop carpal tunnel by playing Fury

Crazy concept

[olive nest]

Crazy how Colo actually forces you to slow down outside of cleave opener

[granite coral]

Did it all as arms week 1 baby

Looking forward to dem buffs

[thorn stream]

This is only with 4piece ?

[minor gust]

not like that matters you are pretty much guaranteed 4 set on reset

but you can do this without 4 set

[fossil thistle]

Makes me sadge people only wanted 10s in my guild and pugs are

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[dire hinge]

Good night Arms friends, i hope tomorrow has mythic tier or weapons for everybody, you all deserve it

[hushed pine]

I hope you all made love to your wives, because tomorrow the real grind begins

[dire hinge]

based

[boreal quartz]

Rename to :gio67:

[nova marsh]

Guys I have a question

why are people obessed with mentioning they have a job when they play wow

[dire hinge]

part of a larger internet cultural thing, basically indirectly saying "you only do well on the game because you're less employed than me, i have a job"

just a knee-jerk deflection response/meme, wouldn't worry about it too much.

[safe island]

arms performs well?

[dire hinge]

good enough yeah

[safe island]

it looks good m+

[dire hinge]

it has very strong AoE in keys yeah, huge numbers

struggles a little bit on Bosses (in M+), but we can chew through trash super effectively

[safe island]

is rotation hard?

[dire hinge]

not especialy no. It can look like a lot on paper, but in practice it's pretty straight forward

there will be a few things that might light up, trying to grab your attention, but you follow a pretty straight forwards rotation for either AoE or Single Target depending on how many mobs you're trying to kill

we have a lot of buttons, but we dont press all of them, so you swap between certain spells based on target count

Arms is one of the few specs that has more buttons than it had last expansion, and our rotation reflects that button bloat a bit.

[safe island]

oh shit

i hate rend thou

[dire hinge]

well you're in luck, because Rend sucks

you basically want to keep it up in AoE, but in single target it's sort of "ehhh if i have nothing else to do i guess i can apply it"

they did rework Rend, so it applies the bleed to all targets within 8 yards of you, so it's a single button for Mass Rend application now

that helps a ton. Now it's just Charge -> Rend -> Opening Rotation

[thick kelp]

Only for slayer tho

Colossus mandates 100% uptime still

[dire hinge]

gotta squeeze all the rage gen we can out of bloodsurge

[thick kelp]

whopping 300 per 5mins

[mortal niche]

is arms undeadge yet

[safe island]

colo arms slayer arms which one is more promising?

[slow vault]

Is slayer better for m+ pugs?

[fervent cedar]

colo aoe dam is insane, but shit st
slayer a little better ST, but aoe dam is not nearly as good
for ease of play in pugs, slayer is a good choice
But if you think tanks will pull big, colo will give you very high overall

[fervent cedar]

see above

Personally I am colo all the way, the aoe is just too good to ignore

But slayer does feel very nice to play

[safe island]

i'll try colo arms first

[fervent cedar]

Arms is very solid in keys rn

[weak wave]

Slayer or Colossus?

[tepid hull]

Colossus is the primary way to play

It's explained above

[fervent cedar]

Colo 100%

The aoe dam is pretty ridiculous

[fiery quest]

Hello where could i find the true best rotation guide for arms warrior ? i see that icy veins and wowhead and maxroll all have slighly different rotations listed

[old glacier]

2850 here. I'm so close!

I wonder if the embelishments are the same for raids as m+?

I don't really raid

[quiet bramble]

[marble valve]

colossus is so cool under crusing combo and ready at every pack

[fiery quest]

hmm check out maxroll and also look at the single target rotation

[old glacier]

In higher keys you can often pop twice on big pulls.

[fiery quest]

once suggest only use execute in sudden death while the other says to use execute without it

[quiet bramble]

oh my bad maxroll

maxroll is ass

either wowhead or icy vein

[fiery quest]

ahh i see

what makes it ass? im new to mid maxing

[safe island]

arms execute has cooldown now?

[fiery quest]

yes

unless u talent it not to

[safe island]

hmm

[fiery quest]

but apparently its not worth it cause execute is booty cheeks on colossus

i dont know if i read that on maxroll tho

so maybe thats bad information

[novel palm]

is chargeweaving still a thing at all?

[mortal niche]

after a total of 1 key, back to fury, this is borderline terrorism

[languid torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-felicia-friday-shoo-go-away-gif-4389994

[mortal niche]

[simple lintel]

fury has such whimsical sound effects

[safe island]

thanks god

ravager is target skill now?

[thick kelp]

yes

[tropic crest]

I disagree

[solar nymph]

this is wrong

demolish first to apply debuff then spam cleave

demolish damage is fake

[plucky fern]

saw this take a couple of times now, idk why people think that colossus needs 'gigapulls'
as long as you have 3 targets to hit colossus is better
so unless your tank is a complete dumbass pulling 1 mob at a time, you dont need to play slayer

[solar nymph]

colossus is best for 3/5 target constant chain pulls ye

[plucky fern]

doesnt matter if its a chainpull or not

unless its 30 sec breaks between pulls but thats rare

[solar nymph]

yeah, when tank pulls 0.01s after stacks are reset

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-cena-gif-5696893

[plucky fern]

well if you have such a tank it really doesnt matter which spec you play

[quiet bramble]

i play slayer arms

[solar nymph]

[thick kelp]

Hooly cluegi deluxe

What am I reading here

Yall are disrespecting colossus when it does more funnel/prio than slayer when u got 3+ targets in the pull

[plucky fern]

colo disrespect is real

fighting against it every day

idk why people love slayer so much

[thick kelp]

@latent moss start posting ur keys buddy

[solar nymph]

slayer sucks

[plucky fern]

unskippable cutscene enjoyers

[minor gust]

because slayer still does giga dam you just afk and spin and not forced to stand still

[plucky fern]

i've been trying slayer here and there, testing if it might be better in some dungeons (running 12-14s)
so far my thoughts is maaaybe its better in skyreach after the buffs to execute

in others meh

but skyreach in general is melee hell

[solar nymph]

I would have thought maybe seat but not SR 🤔

[plucky fern]

theres no build that will feel good there

brother seat is one of the best colo keys

theres literally only ONE single target fight

which is last boss

[minor gust]

ive done a few 16s and 15s now as slayer the dmg continues to scale very well with key level

[solar nymph]

yeah but the 3rd is a bit rng dependant on tentacles spawn

but when there's three stacked

[plucky fern]

even if your tank is not pulling 1st boss with trash and tentacle spam griefs you on 3rd boss
the damage you will output on council fight will carry you anyway

[solar nymph]

yeah the council is bae

[steep osprey]

morning

[plucky fern]

there were moments where i popped off as slayer but thats rare and rng dependant

in nexus 2nd boss for example

[solar nymph]

nexus 2nd boss has perfect timing for col tho

but zug zug damage

[oak plinth]

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[minor gust]

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[rare kite]

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[solar nymph]

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[tiny kayak]

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[deft bluff]

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[proud iron]

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[livid cloak]

Decided to try a few heroic raid bosses on arms last night, been maining my blood dk this week

I woke up and saw this, absolutely criminal

94.9 🙁

Might take the warrior for a spin in some keys this week

[austere hamlet]

Maxroll has good information for warrior. Revvez is writing the guides

[frail crystal]

regarding the special execution rotation list on icy veins/wowhead.. is this just for single target scenario? so now changes for cleave/aoe in execute range?

[minor ivy]

vs 2 targets with ravager up do we prio cleave in cs window? or hs>ms>cleave?

[thick kelp]

follow the ST prio

so you would cleave when ravager up or 3stacks collat or as a filler when boss is below 35%

due to how FOB works you have to manually HS

[minor ivy]

Yeahh okay - how come execute is such high prio in colossal execute phase? Like more than slayer

[lunar acorn]

question. for singet target if ms is ready but we do not have enough rage and only can use slam do we wait for rage and press nothing or do we send the slam

is it a good idea to just press nothing and wait for rage for a big hitter or nah

[thick kelp]

slam and charge weave

[lunar acorn]

right i forgot about charge weaves guess its because i play fury most of the time 😄

[leaden garnet]

Is there a way to sort the Wowhead news stream for warrior changes? There are so many uploads it's like finding a needle in a haystack

[thick kelp]

no but you can follow #updates-midnight

[latent moss]

will have to ig

the colo disrespect

when its mao zedong spec

[tepid cape]

Hello fellow warrior, im playing som arms warrior as my alt and as slayer in mm+ if i have every cd up should i send bladestorm immediatly after m'y other cd or should i prioritise cleaving ?
Sorry for the broken english.

[leaden garnet]

Ty!

[thick kelp]

Prio cleave but read the wowheadguide

[mortal crag]

i was gonna play arms today but then i did academy and hit 700k 1st pull as fury

https://klipy.com/gifs/aww-aww-cute-4

[fresh spire]

Would have done 701 as arms

[mortal crag]

farover did 30k more than me on the same pull

should i compare the ST kekw

tbh its obv proc dependant but it was SO cumworthy

[simple lintel]

damage doesnt matter, its all about living with yourself playing fury

[mortal crag]

2 2h>1 2h

[simple lintel]

the single minded fury transmog change with Midnight almost makes fury playable.

[bleak fog]

I never get those spikes as fury (thane)

Did you run slayer and bladestorm?

[mortal crag]

nope

thane

[latent moss]

arms hits 1mil with on use trinket

[mortal crag]

i checked the log btw

i peaked 1.2m

🙂

or closer to 1.4 i think

:3

[latent moss]

bro is gonna do everything but switch to the superior spec

[slow saddle]

Lets be honest if fuy and arms are close in overall, id venture the higher st of fury makes it better.

[latent moss]

they are not this close colo just takes a lot more brain so people fail

[versed lagoon]

If only Fury had access to demolish

[latent moss]

like colo in pugs sucks

@mortal crag i found tech in magisters

mortal strike healing debuff works on the devourers or w/e they are called

after the golem boss

that cast consume and heal

[slow saddle]

Id take fury col if i got arms thane🤣

[latent moss]

colo is peak arms fantasy its just executed poorly

[plucky fern]

its obviously scuffed data with 500 parses but didnt think ill ever see arms in this section

[fervent cedar]

[latent moss]

[fresh spire]

[latent moss]

@sage badge come to arms bro it owns

need deswind back

[plucky fern]

second highest overall dps

[frail crystal]

it is recommended to delay demolish for smash in single target? sometimes its lines not good up

[latent moss]

always delay demo for cs on st

[frail crystal]

okay, ty

[plucky fern]

idk if theres still like 20 seconds left on cs i just send

might be wrong

[latent moss]

ye u should hold

[shadow ibex]

Have faith in your heart

And your ms crits

[little cypress]

Could be me, but is arms the most enjoyable class to play? Animations and button presses feel satisfying. Being rage starved only neg i feel

Maybe hitting slam is worse than being rage starved. But overall peak spec.

[shadow ibex]

Surely my next demo casts will be ready

[latent moss]

i like arms in aoe a lot

dont like it on st

regardless of the build

[shadow ibex]

No amount of procs will make slayer a real boy

[latent moss]

wish our apex was ms always crits

[plucky fern]

imo we are like two good chages away from being an enjoyable spec to play
fix rage
rework demo in some way to always align with CS, maybe it just replaces cs or some shit idk

[shadow ibex]

Wish our other hero spec wasnt slayer

[latent moss]

thats the only way to make ms consistently juicy

also true

[latent moss]

make ep one stack

[shadow ibex]

Kills cleave

[latent moss]

im surprised cleave made it to midnight

[plucky fern]

i dont mind pressing exe-exe-ms as long as i have rage for it

[latent moss]

i thought they would do while ss is active ur ms is a frontal

[shadow ibex]

Idt ep works with one stack

4 gcds between ms

Unless we get ms resets again

They gotta start deleting aoe talents before we make wishes tbh

[livid cloak]

I still dont understand why demolish isnt just a thing that becomes available after you colossus smash

[latent moss]

same

[shadow ibex]

Should just be

[pastel grotto]

what would it be for prot then

[latent moss]

they should just make it apply cs on last hit

[shadow ibex]

Idk let the birds who thought hero specs up figure that out

[latent moss]

for prot make it apply demo shout

[pastel grotto]

true..

[shadow ibex]

Shield charge

Or smth

[latent moss]

nah just make demo apply cs then deal dmg

[shadow ibex]

Make it still charge and stun so prot doesnt lose utility cuz

[latent moss]

for prot apply demo shout

[shadow ibex]

Sc is hot

No way they give prot the cs debuff that is like some tbc levels of spec crossover

[polar portal]

The three warrior specs already share too much

[shadow ibex]

Not because its busted just kinda un elegant

[polar portal]

DF did unrepairable damage

[latent moss]

demo shout for prot

both specs have major debuffs

i dont get the point of not just using them

[shadow ibex]

Im ok with that

[thorn stream]

the sudden rise of hate on slayer in here

[polar portal]

It's a divided community

I genuinely couldn't be paid to play colossus

[shadow ibex]

I'll hate it always for jugg

Piss on its grave

[thorn stream]

but jugg is gonzo

[shadow ibex]

Idc

[thorn stream]

[shadow ibex]

My hate is

Just warming up

https://tenor.com/view/barbie-movie-ken-sunglasses-putting-on-sunglasses-double-sunglasses-gif-9645729363424884768

[livid cloak]

Ngl, jugg keys with sudden death tclap was my favorite

If only jugg lasted more than 2 seconds

[polar portal]

Sudden death thunder clap was incredible

They should bring that shit back

[olive nest]

I actually had a lot of fun trying to carry jug stacks in dungeons as well

[shadow ibex]

Was it even worth using execute in aoe to even get them

[olive nest]

I preferred the execute build at the time

[shadow ibex]

Idk never played that lame spec in m+

[livid cloak]

With the giga tclap? Absolutely

Refreshed rend, did tons of damage

[shadow ibex]

Talking about tww

[livid cloak]

Oh

No

Tww jugg was ass

[shadow ibex]

Only reason I liked sd clap was i was a tauren

[plucky fern]

sd clap should become just a normal arms talent

reap is kinda a reprint of this mechanic but why only slayer

[dim jay]

im still salty arms got a Tclap tier set in amirdrassil only for blizz to go "lol thunderclap hero spec is gonna be for prot and fury"

[frail crystal]

do i just send ravager / avatar or sync with smash?

[tired sinew]

this....

[plucky fern]

always sync with smash

damage multipliers go brrr

[frail crystal]

okay

[plucky fern]

someone simmed and there was basically no diff between using avatar on cd and using avatar in same macro with CS
but for ravager im pretty sure you have to only use it with CS, because you can send 4 cleaves in a row

so you fit 5 cleaves in ravager window instead of like 3

[torpid pagoda]

is it ravager into cs or cs into ravager

[plucky fern]

in aoe cs - demo - ravager - cleave spam
in st ravager - cs

[torpid pagoda]

and i assume for first pull you spam cleave first instead of dry demo?

[plucky fern]

nah you try to get like 3-4 stacks while pull is gathering

then send it

[torpid pagoda]

ah okok

[flat willow]

one day they'll give arms stacks of demolish while out of combat

and that day will be glorious

took them 2 weeks to do with mage, surely it's coming any day now

[plucky fern]

almost every class with stacks has it now

ddh gets souls outside of combat
ww monk gets brew stacks

[thorn stream]

or just increase buff duration to 1min like with imminent demise

would also help to carry them over

[solar nymph]

or put rats every 10meters

[solar nymph]

and yet i'm not getting picked up in 16's

[plucky fern]

pug perception of warriors will not change that quickly

esp arms

theres too much dumbasses playing this class

[flat willow]

its not really a pug spec even if it's good tbh

[solar nymph]

they're called fury's

[flat willow]

tank doing weird pulls or not grabbing trashes for bosses

[plucky fern]

true

[flat willow]

and you end up doing 6 minutes bosses

[plucky fern]

when im playing alts im not inviting fury's either

[flat willow]

they should add more roleplay in algatar academy

[latent moss]

i never invite warriors when im on alt

[junior trellis]

Cant wait to play arms in raid tonight $$

[latent moss]

love when i just watch my heroic might and colossal might just fall off while crawth is flying down

its tilting me right now

[plucky fern]

i learned long ago that if you want to play warrior in m+ you need a group, or run your own key

play mage if you want easy invites

[solar nymph]

Tbh i'm not mad, got 3k3 first week, good start

and buff tomorrow aya

and mythic vault

[latent moss]

bro my maisara is a 10 xdd

17 seat 10 maisara gg

[olive nest]

Ez

Not boosted

[latent moss]

perma top overall

arms is mao zedong on aoe

[olive nest]

Arms fuks

[latent moss]

[olive nest]

[warped ether]

It’s just like any other game

After a certain point you will hit a wall and it will be slower

But hey that’s why you need 5 man’s at mega high keys

[naive steeple]

So guys, do you think that with today's buff our single will be good enough to put us in a good position (considering that we're already very good at AoE)?

[thick kelp]

depends

[naive steeple]

Depends what?

[mild sierra]

Its a 3% ST buff, wont do much

[flat willow]

3% st buff for slayer or col

cuz if it's 3% for slayer it's way less for col

[mild sierra]

3% for Slayer sim

[naive steeple]

3% might be good, since our AoE is high, we don't need to be high in singles as well, just within the average.

[solar nymph]

yeah but when you fight with the tank on dungeon bosses meh

[mild sierra]

Wont change anything there

Execute is barely pressed in M+ talents

[solar nymph]

OP>Exec so ye

[flat willow]

you just have to tell the tank to bring trashes on bosses and tell the other dps that you'll come after them in real life if they dare cleave

[naive steeple]

From what I've seen, it's a buff for both, since the buff will be applied to execute and overpower spell

[solar nymph]

no thrash on bird in academy

[flat willow]

bird on academy with an arms warrior

10 minutes fight

end of expansion duration fight

[solar nymph]

nah you die before that

[naive steeple]

I simply don't understand your reasoning. You want to leave the boss fight farming overall? Because the boss's damage will still be the same, right?

[flat willow]

no, arms deal way more single target damage if there are adds thanks to funneling

[naive steeple]

Hmmmm i see

[solar nymph]

ye and 4p makes ur cs lasts longer

zug zug

[naive steeple]

Could you explain how? I confess I haven't been playing much Arms lately.

[solar nymph]

you can get 100% uptime for a good amount

when cleave hits 3 or more target

extend CS by 1s

same with MS

[naive steeple]

Aaaaah

[plucky fern]

did someone do calculations for col m+ build
how much st we getting? like 1%?

[onyx rapids]

guys
why do i get the feeling arms is doing better than fury in mythic plus

[rapid bronze]

guys today we are so back right?

[fervent cedar]

3-4% ish

[rapid bronze]

as opposed to just being back

[solar nymph]

its not a feeling

[plucky fern]

hard to believe that, people say that for slayer st build its 3%

[fervent cedar]

And we are finally allowed to press exe again

[plucky fern]

col m+ hardly getting anything from exe buffs, so its only 10% op damage

[naive steeple]

Welcome aboard then, you guys are facing a problem similar to what Hunter MM has been facing for years hahaha when the fight has 2 targets and the trick shot only procs with 3 targets hahaha

[onyx rapids]

i saw some crazy numbers in high mythic keys by arms

[fervent cedar]

Yes arms is very good in keys

[flat willow]

you generate more rage thanks to rend being on more targets, the 4p makes cs last way longer, collateral damage, you get way more stacks of colossal might

probably other things I forgot

[naive steeple]

In AoE, Arms is perfect, from what I see the problem is single target

[fervent cedar]

Yes ST is shit

Unless you pull stuff onto the boss

If you cant, arms is very sad

[plucky fern]

to be real
theres a lot of classes who struggle with st

there are only like a few who can do decent st in m+ builds

like udk

mage

[naive steeple]

What I don't understand is Blizzard buffing some classes based on raids (BM) while pretending to be blind to others like Arms just because they're performing well in Mythic+.

[plucky fern]

who else?

[fervent cedar]

Ret pala

Fury

[solar nymph]

mm hunt

[flat willow]

warlock

[solar nymph]

if good

[fervent cedar]

Oh yeah demo

[plucky fern]

fury not really

[fervent cedar]

Devourer too probably

[plucky fern]

its better than arms but cant compare it to udk/mage/lock levels

not even close

[onyx rapids]

any recommendstions for arms youtuber? i can see?

[fervent cedar]

Biz

[naive steeple]

Thanks to this lack of understanding, BM will infest the server for the third expansion in a row, while survival and MM are in the shitter xD and Arms, which needs a ST , they don't buff

[olive nest]

Shirly and biz

[plucky fern]

our god and saviour bizentein

[olive nest]

Biz is omega M+

Shirly mythic raids

[flat willow]

when you think about it

unholy is kind of a beastmaster spec now

30 yards on every ability

no cast

50 pets

[naive steeple]

Don't worry, MM will disappear from the map once again thanks to the third consecutive buff to BM, it's TWW all over again.

[latent moss]

yday mm bursted for 1.3 mil on like 10 targets

in 17 seat

did 150k on the next pull tho

xdd

i did 650k on both

[plucky fern]

im playing udk as my main alt right now
you kinda dont care about pets
you just press buttons like you would do on arms
they just function differently

no pet management whatsoever

[naive steeple]

If you think MM is strong, look at the top damage logs in M+ and you'll see that only BM is there now hahaha, far superior.

[latent moss]

idk if its strong im just saying the guy bursted for an insane number and the subjugator disappeared

[flat willow]

does bm actually do pet management

i thought they just pressed kill command

[plucky fern]

i mean yeah if you pet is stuck somewhere as bm or dead or whatever you need to press different buttons to fix it

your cant even press kill comand if this shit is dead

[olive nest]

The more valuable damage type ^

[flat willow]

dream comp, unholy BM demonology

100 pets on your screen

[naive steeple]

We only do this every 3 minutes, and the follow-up pack you saw was probably because of the volley + double-aimed shot with Mark; it doesn't happen all the time.

[plucky fern]

as udk - it can die and you wont notice unless dark transformation is up

[latent moss]

ye we also lusted cause mega dangerous pack and he got pi

idk how much monk buff and battle shout do for him

[naive steeple]

For example, Arms in M+ is dealing significantly more damage than MM already.

[latent moss]

ye ik i beat him on overall by a lot

[flat willow]

that's cuz arms massive

[latent moss]

arms is just mao zedong on aoe

[naive steeple]

Hahahahaha

[plucky fern]

tbh arms i dealing significantly more overall than everyone except for maybe a good demolock

[olive nest]

Arms does mega overall because we just eat every single pack

[latent moss]

i still havent played with devourer

[olive nest]

And if you have a tank who brings adds onto boss It’s gg

[flat willow]

you could say arms is colossal

[latent moss]

actually insane funnel

[shadow ibex]

When I get to play colossus for a majority of raid arms will be good

[plucky fern]

99% of devourers are trash

[naive steeple]

What hurts me is this, hahaha, third buff in a row for BM and nothing for MM besides a nerf last week and a minimal buff to st.

[latent moss]

atp i dont want them to keep increasing our st

cause then they will nerf our aoe and we will be worse than fury

[plucky fern]

apparently this spec is harder than it looks

[latent moss]

and fury is so shit to play

[latent moss]

classic

[naive steeple]

It's solely because of the Raid, but then it makes me wonder, why isn't this kind of judgment used as a basis for buffing the Warrior as well? After all, they're also weak in raids.

[shadow ibex]

They could fix our 89 aoe talents

[plucky fern]

a healthy 10% st buff + 10% aoe nerf would still be good for arms

[latent moss]

ye but they wouldnt do that

they would do 10% st buff and 25% aoe nerf

[plucky fern]

but blizz might do 3% ms buff, 20% cleave nerf

call it a day

[latent moss]

yep

[plucky fern]

[shadow ibex]

Atp it's an unspoken admission that colossus just an aoe bot

[naive steeple]

Given the history of mistreatment Arms has received throughout the expansion (being good only in PvP), it could have received a buff in single-player without nerfing its AoE, hahaha.

[flat willow]

devorer is very easy on dummies but in m+ they struggle cuz you must know every mechanic cuz cancelling 1 eyebeam makes you do tank dps

[olive nest]

Will be bullshit if they nerf our aoe without comping st more

[flat willow]

it's a caster that must do 3 seconds cast every 5 seconds

[solar nymph]

now imagine if we had a certain legendary weap

[flat willow]

mage players can't understand the struggle

[latent moss]

i dont think we will get anything after this

[little cypress]

I dont know how people can play devo. Its brain dead and feels weak Dck

[flat willow]

i play it on alt, feels strong as fuck

[solar nymph]

and its dh

[flat willow]

giant collapsing stars

[olive nest]

I’d be perfectly fine with them just not touching arms until the .5

[solar nymph]

we man we war

[flat willow]

feels very nice to play tbh

[solar nymph]

zug zug

[olive nest]

I’m happy with my Zug Zug demolish cleave spammer

For now

[naive steeple]

I found the class extremely generic; it looks like it came straight out of Genshin Impact. The time spent developing it could have been much better used developing the Earth Shaman tank and increasing the tank pool.

[little cypress]

The buttons feel weak. Not the results. Its boring and somehow arms has the most buttons out of any class rn

[solar nymph]

Pit of saron feel likes you're diddy in the oil store

[plucky fern]

also people are just copying meta build which is annihilator
and annihilator is WAY more punishing and requires you to manage resources and fights in m+ a lot
im playing ddh and i have much more success in keys with felscarred

[flat willow]

yeah annihilator I see them bursting when the boss is at 10% hp

so they have no soul for the giga pack after the boss

[shadow ibex]

My problem is its been this since like week 1 tww

Variety is needed

[flat willow]

idk, I just have a shitty alt but I find the spec pretty well designed, it's just that dh players would rather explode irl than hold a cd for a better moment

they play devorer like you should play ret paladin

[plucky fern]

tbh annihilator is just terrible design in general
3 buttons on panel
30 seconds setup before doing any damage
i cant bear playing this hero talent

[flat willow]

just pressing wake of ashes on cooldown

[plucky fern]

just having fun on my meleeweaving ddh once in a while

[shadow ibex]

Aka die cleave

[flat willow]

cleave is the only thing that kept this spec alive for the past 2 expansions

put some respect on that name

[naive steeple]

It could be worse, we could be orphans of Affliction, they promised Legion's Affliction, delivered it with 50% of the damage haha

[flat willow]

[plucky fern]

but aff is pretty good atm

its not much worse than demo and easier to play

[shadow ibex]

Idt we even used it much in df

Only in s1 and s4 with op tier

[naive steeple]

The problem is that with the absurdity that Demonology has become, nobody wants another Lock spec.

[flat willow]

I mean I understand them, you have the brand new overpowered spec that gets attention every expansion

or you can play destro lock like every expansion for the past 20 years

[naive steeple]

If you check the Warlock logs, it's the weirdest thing I've ever seen in all these years of WoW. Usually, the meta spec is more numerous, but there's always one or two players there. This year, however, it's different.

[nova marsh]

Chief

[naive steeple]

100% demon in everything

[flat willow]

rain of fire in aoe, chaos bolt in single target

[nova marsh]

What class currently isnt braindead

[flat willow]

usually I say shadow priest

cuz i never played shadowpriest

[naive steeple]

Hahahahaha never

[flat willow]

so i don't know how it plays

[nova marsh]

[naive steeple]

This year, braindead inclusion was for everyone, hahaha.

[nova marsh]

To be fair

[shadow ibex]

I wanna aoe without cleave again

[nova marsh]

Least it isnt sub braindead

[shadow ibex]

Just warbreaker and hard buttons

[plucky fern]

ww feral

[flat willow]

and honestly seeing the numbers of pugs devourer, the spec can't be that easy to play, since they all do abysmal damage

[nova marsh]

Honestly its hard to make those braindead

[flat willow]

they keep trying

[nova marsh]

Bur ur right

[flat willow]

but the feral community always gets mad

[latent moss]

i did 200k in 17 magisters but mage dc'd gg

[nova marsh]

Do the feral cling to snapshotting?

[latent moss]

and we dont log anyway

[naive steeple]

Hahahahah arms ? Or Warlock ?

[flat willow]

ofc

it's their last bastion

the ferals will not let snapshotting go, like I won't let focused rage go

[latent moss]

arms

[naive steeple]

Nice :0

[flat willow]

tbh they are correct in not letting snapshotting go or they'd just be a garbage version of ass rogue

and I already find ass rogue garbage

[nova marsh]

Ass rogue is a dot spec

[latent moss]

does assa still perma starve

on st

[nova marsh]

And tbh I dont like them

[latent moss]

assa was fun asf in tww if ur tank didnt chain pull

and if u didnt have to switch targets

garrote garrote rupture x3

shiv kingsbane death mark boss explosion

prio target explodes

or in s3 when u didnt play kingsbane u just did absurd aoe

[nova marsh]

Oh so it was never fun

[naive steeple]

Jahahjaa

[nova marsh]

I stg all the pug tanks chain pull now

[latent moss]

ye with pig tanks

hurts colo arms a lot

in lower keys when u cant just send wb+demo twice

like it makes sense if ure waiting for a specific mob to die

but they just chain for no resaon

[nova marsh]

I member when pug tanks didnt even do mass pulls

Now all we do is mass pulls

[jovial hare]

history is a slightly oblong circle, an oval

[shadow ibex]

Its by design

P much every pull in avg m+ can and should be 5 target minimum

If not 8

[flint wind]

How bad is trying arms with fury gear?

[torpid pagoda]

havent tried it this xpac, but traditionally not great but playable

[dull cosmos]

What’s wrong with chain pulling?

[rotund cairn]

What's better for damage?
3 (use your cds here) + 3 +3 mobs or
9 (use your cds here) mobs

[sacred raft]

Hero tree talents were based on attacking from stealth, which is where a lot of the damage came from.

[livid cloak]

Its fine. Arms like crit haste and mastery so its np.

Arms prefers crit the most but still likes haste and mastery

[dull cosmos]

Oh, makes sense for stealthies. I thought that was coming from warriors

[flint wind]

Thanks. Will try

[sacred raft]

It was horrible for Assa and Sub. This has changed now for the better in Midnight and doesn't affect their ability to do normal damage as much.

[rotund cairn]

I mean, it's true for most specs 🤷🏾‍♂️
Chain pulling makes a lot of things awkward vs one bigger pull

aoe dot applicators with a cd, just general cooldowns

[sacred raft]

You just felt it more on these because your talents were useless after your 1 charge of Vanish lol.

[eager sable]

I've been playing Feral mostly this season and chainpulling is just miserable sometimes. Especially chaining into a boss so I can't stealth-Rake with puzzle box. I'm about to pull the trigger on a night elf race change over it.

[naive crescent]

https://i.imgur.com/ElRQLai.png

heart of wind seems meh based on bloodmallet but ill wait 15 mins for my sim to finish 😄

[leaden garnet]

Is there a guide for which pieces you should prioritise catalysing?

[mystic summit]

i gotta choose between heart of wind and puzzlebox

not sure which

[worldly rivet]

prob one of the worst vaults ive ever seen on my toons

[leaden garnet]

Yeah, mine was pretty wretched too

At least a myth 1 piece is some free crests, functionally

[worldly rivet]

4 delve trinkets, 3 rings, 2 dungeon trinkets

[dire hinge]

good news: there was a myth weapon
bad news: stats were vers/mast and it's a downgrade over the crafted one i have

[leaden ice]

Yoyo, do we have Single Target Openers for Colossus somewhere? Or Multitarget Openers for Slayer?
Currently I'm gonna use simmed stuff from different quick sims

Also, why is there Cleave in the Slayer ST Prio on Wowhead? Didn't touch Arms much for a while

[mortal crag]

Makes sense

[hushed pine]

yay or nay?

[dire hinge]

just follow the Single Target Rotation section on WoWhead for both.

[leaden ice]

Ait, just instead of Bladestorm we throw Ravager in i guess

[dire hinge]

Cleave was literally stronger than Execute (and cost less rage, which Colossus struggled with).
That changes slightly today, with the execute buffs

[fervent cedar]

Looking like a miss, unless the stats on the neck are good

[dire hinge]

no, you go to the Single Target rotation section, then select Slayer 😂

[hushed pine]

haste/vers

not bueno

[fervent cedar]

Yuck

Unfortunate

[hushed pine]

taking that chestpiece, I conserve 1 cata charge and I get 4 set

[fervent cedar]

Probably just take something for ilvl upgrade

[leaden ice]

yeah, but I'm wondering when i'm in a key as colossus in a ST fight

[hushed pine]

Would take vessel but it's annoying

[fervent cedar]

Yea

[leaden ice]

LOL okay that's crazy

glad they fixed it today

[hushed pine]

uhh... wrong reply?

[dire hinge]

you're so close, you're just in the wrong section

[leaden ice]

woops, yes, was supposed to quote hrothmar xd

[olive nest]

Hey it’s nino

👋

[leaden ice]

hellooo

[leaden ice]

wait, is there another Opener Tab I don't see?

[dire hinge]

🤦‍♂️

If you're looking for Single Target information

click on the Single Target tab

and click on the hero tree you want afterwards

[leaden ice]

my question is about openers tho

[dire hinge]

mk

[leaden ice]

the single target tab is understood already

opener for Colossus on ST

[dire hinge]

you're never gonna believe this

but you're gonna go to Single Target, then click on Colossus

and just go down the line based on what's available to you

[olive nest]

Lmfao

[leaden ice]

so the opener for colossus in multitarget is wrong then if I do this?

[thick kelp]

or does it

[leaden ice]

Why are there 2 Tabs then?

I'm literally just curious and try to understand, so stop the hostility

[hoary palm]

thought the first time in my life I got a bis trinket from vault but apparently Solar Flare Prism is mid

[leaden ice]

Right now i'm doing the openers like the sim does in Quicksim

But I wanted to verfiy with Wowhead

[dire hinge]

sure thing lemme open up raidbots and see what the quicksim is currently doing

[untold pewter]

Should I be happy about Puzzle box?

[olive nest]

Bro

That guidon is big

Hollyy

[untold pewter]

Idk man I have gaze and heart

[olive nest]

Just extend colossus smash into your next colossus smash whenever trinket is up

Ez

[lone raft]

idk how u guys do it God bless you Hrothmar

[olive nest]

Hrothmar is the goat that’s how

[nova marsh]

Hroth is bis

[dire hinge]

So the colossus rotation listed in the Opener tab isn't necessarily wrong, but you can play it two ways based on the situation you're faced with.

• Demolish ASAP (immediately after your major cooldowns, but before your burst). This is best for low-target counts.
• Demolish on a delay (after your burst). This is best for AoE.

For context, the sim is currently doing the first one (Single Target/DungeonSlice), but the WoWhead guide recommends the second one (which is why the UI has it labled as "Multitarget").

For Single Target, Demo isn't your main source of damage, so you send it early and get it out of the way, regardless of stacks.

In Mass AoE situations, you'll want to do the second one, and delay Demo until after your burst. This lets you build Colossal Might stacks, so your Demo hits significantly harder.

My apologies if it came off as hostility.

[olive nest]

But no demolish debuff for my free cleaves

[leaden ice]

Ayo, that's very informative, thanks! Did you do some different pack size sims ?

[olive nest]

[leaden ice]

all good ❤️

[dire hinge]

So both Patchwerk and Dungeon Slice will have the same opener, but if you swap it to "hectic Add Cleave" or set the Patchwerk boss count to like 8+, you'll see the sim swap to the delayed cast version

[leaden ice]

Oh I see, that's interesting. Currently I only did 1 Target, 5 Targets and Dungeon Slice

Never touched hectic add cleave or higher

Thanks a lot! ❤️

You have a nice voice fr

[dire hinge]

It's not such a significant difference that it really matters tbh, casting it early means you'll get it back SUPER quickly

because your Cleave Spam (via Crushing Combo) and your swept MS basically means you'll be at 8+ stacks of Colossal Might within a few gcds of casting Demolish.

so it's potato/tomato

[leaden ice]

[dire hinge]

i honestly just cast it early because half the time packs vanish by the time i get to the demo anyways 😂

at least the little dudes do

that, and most of the time you'll be going into packs with 10 stacks already, so there's no point in delaying it

you only delay Demolish if you dont have stacks already (and you're in big AoE)

[rose ibex]

How was y'all's vaultmas?

[untold pewter]

Are sims updated with today's buffs?

[olive nest]

Cool thing about demolish asap is you get it back to cast a 2nd time before pack dies

[polar portal]

Do you guys have your transmog break when you switch from arms to fury?

My second weapon just decides it doesn't want to be mogged anymore

[mystic summit]

ya i just switch to different outfit and back

[hoary palm]

Is Solarflare trash

only .7% upgrade over my 263 glorious keepsake

[rose ibex]

Yeah that keeps happening. Dual weapons really screws with the new tmog system

[olive nest]

Yes it does break everytime drives me nuts

[primal maple]

so i have heroic gaze and myth omission of light which completes my set and a myth puzzle box. Dang I thought Gaze was like OP but myth box beats it and in ST the ring just wins out. Unsure what to take

[shell arch]

toughts on this neck?

[obsidian otter]

Verse isn’t bad if your pushing high keys if your haste is already above 20% base not that great but you can sim it with vault items to truly see the increase if any from what you have

[vapid spire]

Are we good with the new buffs

[sharp wyvern]

we are better

[wild lion]

im assuming everyone is going to be slayer mostly, or colossus for mythic plus still

[sharp wyvern]

collosus still

[mystic summit]

i think colosssus still ahead

[sharp wyvern]

slayer is also good but colossus just has absurd aoe

slayer however makes bosses die faster

which i prefer when doing pugs

[wind hatch]

cleave is just too good

[sharp wyvern]

but slayer is just too fun

im gonna enjoy it until the .5 patch

[worldly rivet]

pretty much entire mythic+ damage is reliant on cleave. kind of stinks when one spell is so overtuned compared to rest of kit

just takes one nerf

[visual apex]

Hey, sorry if this is the wrong spot to ask, but I'm still a bit confused about single boss rotations. I'm using the icy veins guide, but without the weak aura I used to use, I think I'm messing some stuff up. Is there a resource around the discord I can use?

[rose ibex]

Is mastery just verse but worse?

[stable fiber]

esentially

mastery has better scaling though

vers makes you tankier

[worldly rivet]

should be better imo too lol

[stable fiber]

dps wise yes

since vers also makes you tankier

[obsidian otter]

Yeah pretty much you get damage reduction more tankier and heals heal more. But it’s still bottom of our stat priority

[wild lion]

why does no one take cleave with slayer

[icy atlas]

Do any specs priortize vers? Feels more like the 'PvP stat'.

[wild lion]

prot is vers

[rose ibex]

My crit and haste took a bit of a hit.. had to take mythic gloves for set

[worldly rivet]

i take it in mythic+

[rose ibex]

Now I have like 20% mastery

[wind hatch]

people do take cleave with slayer

[rose ibex]

I suppose its not so bad

[junior trellis]

sim updated for bufferinos?

[latent moss]

imo if dps plays vers thats just bad design

[halcyon valve]

this rage econ is so fucked

gotta pray to get back to back battlelord procs to stay rage neutral

[wind hatch]

yes

[junior trellis]

TY

[rose ibex]

I used to have a macro that replaced overpower with heroic strike when you had it and i noticed it broke last night

I dont think i need it. I just thought it was weird

[dire hinge]

it just randomly breaks, no idea why tbh. I haven't found a consistent reason. It's something on Blizzard's end, where it stops detecting Heroic Strike correctly, even though [known] should trigger it (and its in your spellbook when it procs)

honestly i'd just get used to playing without it, it causes some other problems in certain content (small dps loss) so just let Slam auto-swap like it does by default and press it when you need to

[worldly rivet]

I have 29% mastery and I straight up don't feel it.

[rose ibex]

I was so dumb I didnt even notice. Fighting a boss with 25k dps "hmmmm maybe my procs really are just that bad"

[stable fiber]

feel like guidon should sim better on 3t then it does

[rose ibex]

Yeah I dont think i need it anymore. I only used it initially because I just found i was not noticing the procs

Not as much as I wanted

[rose ibex]

Its probably there... I would definitely prefer to have more crit and haste

[nova marsh]

Oh lovely

Two chested a magisters

Now it's time for 12 AA

[leaden garnet]

I'm new to Midnight's gearing system - if I can get my 4 set now, do I just full send it even on suboptimal pieces, with the knowledge that it allows dawnflux to drop from other content so I'll have plenty more by the time better gear drops?

[pulsar berry]

holy arms overall

[wind hatch]

yes

[leaden garnet]

How much of this is new gear vs the placebo buffs we just got lmao?

[leaden garnet]

Okay, awesome o/

[pulsar berry]

the buffs maybe contributed to 1% of my damage that dungeon lol

but i'm also playing colo not slayer

[leaden garnet]

Yeah I was looking at my damage from a +12 before reset and it was like, wow, this is going to be less than 2% damage on Colossus ST

That'll definitely save us from the trenches /s

[pulsar berry]

yeah I think to fix colossus ST without giga overtuning the spec they basically have to just add extra passives into the talents we already take

bc slayer st is tuned okay rn and there's almost no tuning knobs to turn that don't fuck with that

[storm pendant]

arms too strong next week minus all damage 10%

[pulsar berry]

but also i don't necessarily mind when i can do 170k overall in a key anyways LMAO

[hushed topaz]

I hope this new raid is entirely single target and then we will really see how bad our ST is

[proud heath]

are we just using the wowhead build for slayer with the new buffs?

[graceful light]

Thoughts on what to take? I want to main arms over fury and I primarily play M+ so not sure about puzzlebox. Myth tier is nice but I know gloves are the offpiece in bis gear for both arms and fury and I'll eventually get 4 piece anyways. alnseer trinket is tempting but its just heroic which I have a small chance at every week and will eventually kill on mythic

[latent moss]

try getting guidon from first boss

puzzy b is basically bis but i am not touching it

solarflare is really good

[latent moss]

that trinket is nuts for colo

[limber valve]

do the execute buffs change anything for execute in ST rotation

[modest pebble]

im back after over a year. is there any good arms m+ guide out yet? 🙂

[fervent cedar]

Oh boy it's box time

[fervent cedar]

Wowhead

[fervent cedar]

I have 5/6 hero solarflare and crucible still outsims it

Im sure once I max it out itll pull maybe slightly ahead

[scarlet mortar]

are we changing any talents with the new buffs?

[nova marsh]

...timed that 12

By the skin of our teeth

[sharp wyvern]

are 12 groups struggling now?

[nova marsh]

No

[sharp wyvern]

how high do i have to go to escape the pug brains

[nova marsh]

We had a pretty good run with only like 4 deaths

A. I played sub awfully in that key
B. We played it safe and did no lust pull
C. AA sucks

[sharp wyvern]

i did some 11s earlier and its the kind of people that would deplete an 8

[nova marsh]

Yeah na

these guys weren't that

They played fine, I'm the one who kinda trolled

[sharp wyvern]

did you wipe first pull?

[nova marsh]

Nope

[sharp wyvern]

not alot that can go wrong after that

except pulling to many whirlwind boys in the end

[livid cloak]

That aoe slam they added to the whirlwind mobs is so ass

[nova marsh]

Yeah not a fan of the aoe bullet hell

[sharp wyvern]

even the new whirlwind is ass

you have no idea where its going when it spawns

its not where the ghosts are facing trust me

[nova marsh]

Honestly aa is probably my least favorite key of the season by far

[timid elk]

Occlusion of Void or tier shoulders? I have 0 tier atm and both are the same ilvl bump

[solar nymph]

NA people, what are the stats on the pvp quest ring?

[fervent cedar]

Prioritize tier asap

Infinite cata charges when you get 4pc

[nova marsh]

With tier you should have 4pc this week

If you got 2k

If you take tier

[rose ibex]

Y'all talking agalthar?

I hate that place and puzzle box belongs in a dumpster

[fervent cedar]

Specifically last area

Last area fucking blows

[cyan skiff]

Heart of ancient hunger + puzzle box or heart of wind? I’m not confident in simbot with activated trinks

[fervent cedar]

The rest of the dungeon is good tho

[nova marsh]

Na

Aa is annoying all around

[rose ibex]

First pull on tree sucks if you are melee

Where you get all the plants and bugs

[fervent cedar]

Its manageable as warrior

Circles spawn you can reposition with leap

[rose ibex]

Sometimes the circle placement just fucks you

[fervent cedar]

Yea

True

[silver mica]

are we better than Fury overall yet lol

[rose ibex]

Then you leap away and half your cds are gone

[fervent cedar]

Our overall is very good

[rose ibex]

Or you just die

[fervent cedar]

Fury brings better st

We bring the big aoe dam

[rose ibex]

Arms is probably finally in a good spot eh?

[fervent cedar]

Also a little funnel if you pull stuff onto bosses

[fervent cedar]

I think we've been in a good spot yeah

The st buffs arent much but the aoe dam is where its at anyways

[rose ibex]

Yeah I agree

Aoe dam has always been good

Post aura buffs

[fervent cedar]

Yup

I got completely gaslit into thinking the aura buff wasnt enough and wrote the spec off

[rose ibex]

I hope the new buffs will make raid feel better too

[fervent cedar]

Then I saw biz and kha doing keys and my mind was blown

[rose ibex]

I dont need arms to be an S tier god at everything. Just dont want to feel like im holding my team back with our single target

[fervent cedar]

Im sure the exe buff will help a lot in raid for sure

Slayer will feel quite nice

[rose ibex]

Especially with 4 pc

Very happy to have 4pc

Finally

[fervent cedar]

Same

[rose ibex]

Shame I must toil

Pesky work

[fervent cedar]

Soon(tm)

[silver mica]

thats why i gave up arms off the rip smacking the bosses with a very wet noodle was not fun