arms

[tulip breach]

besides overpower?

[latent moss]

i REFUSE to believe its worse than algethar

[olive nest]

No dps check on 15 MC

[minor gust]

Maybe not difficulty wise but gameplay wise that dungeon sucks

[olive nest]

Our tank extended the buff on last boss though

[sharp goblet]

i thought maisara was pretty good, algethar sucks

[leaden parcel]

Nobody likes AA

[latent moss]

ngl i didnt like it in df either

but they genuinely

made everything strictly worse

like the manafiends for some fucking reason

can overlap

and u just get tapped

?????????????

i wasnt getting tapped cause my class is broken

[minor gust]

I don't know why they made the trash before last boss in algathar so much more cancer

[latent moss]

i just sr and it deflects both

also that

ye bro the circle just moving 👍

good change

[tulip breach]

i'm just kinda baffled as to how anyone can go into a key rn and do a boss as colossus and not want to uninstall

it just feels like trash

[neat locust]

struggling alot with ST (but blasting overall dmg) cant get above 40k dps, raidbots says i can do 55, and breakdown says to do more cleave, do I cleave in ST ? (m+ build)

[soft dew]

Colossus is shit in ST

That's all

[latent moss]

i wouldnt bother

the apl is getting changed

on reset

cleave is basically dead on st on reset

[olive nest]

That’s pretty normal tbh, not saying I’m the best necessarily, but for context my pure ST is around 45-50k in a dungeon as Colo arms

[soft dew]

Oh?

[latent moss]

actions.colossus_st=rend,if=dot.rend_dot.remains<=gcd|cooldown.colossus_smash.remains<2&dot.rend_dot.remains<=10
actions.colossus_st+=/sweeping_strikes,if=active_enemies=2&(cooldown.colossus_smash.remains&buff.sweeping_strikes.down|!talent.broad_strokes)
actions.colossus_st+=/ravager,if=cooldown.colossus_smash.remains<=gcd
actions.colossus_st+=/avatar
actions.colossus_st+=/colossus_smash
actions.colossus_st+=/cleave,if=buff.ravager.remains&buff.collateral_damage.stack=3
actions.colossus_st+=/champions_spear
actions.colossus_st+=/demolish,if=debuff.colossus_smash.up&buff.colossal_might.stack>0
actions.colossus_st+=/heroic_strike,if=active_enemies=2
actions.colossus_st+=/mortal_strike
actions.colossus_st+=/heroic_strike
actions.colossus_st+=/overpower,if=active_enemies=2
actions.colossus_st+=/cleave,if=buff.ravager.remains|buff.collateral_damage.stack=3
actions.colossus_st+=/overpower
actions.colossus_st+=/cleave,if=talent.mass_execution&target.health.pct<35
actions.colossus_st+=/execute
actions.colossus_st+=/whirlwind,if=active_enemies=2&buff.collateral_damage.stack=3
actions.colossus_st+=/wrecking_throw,if=active_enemies=1
actions.colossus_st+=/rend,if=dot.rend_dot.remains<=gcd*5
actions.colossus_st+=/cleave,if=active_enemies=2
actions.colossus_st+=/slam

[obsidian otter]

They use to spin and move then it went to just circles that spin which was to easy because you just move them out of it.. now the circles move I don’t think they know what they wanna do with those mobs

[latent moss]

u cleave with ravager but thats it

[neat locust]

Ah ok, so regardless, i cant escape 40-50k.. i mean even with a aug i did the same dps.. not even an aug could help me

[fervent cedar]

Aug will help

Aug will always help

[neat locust]

well it didnt and ppl still complained about my dps

thats why i wondered if i did something wrong

[latent moss]

if u care about minmaxing ur rotation

look at the apl

run a quick sim go full html report then scroll to profile and u will see the apl

[latent moss]

its a priority list from top to bottom

[neat locust]

excuse me what?

ah, so where do I find the thml report?

[latent moss]

on the right side after u quick sim

above share report url

then scroll unti lyou find profile

make sure ur simc is on latest as well

[obsidian otter]

What does your overall look like at end of mythic plus?

[neat locust]

this part?

[latent moss]

scroll until u find profile

[neat locust]

120k more or less, so I an not sad

[neat locust]

ye i got this right 🙂

Just ppl complainng about my st alot. Pisses me off

[olive nest]

They simply are un aware if they’re bitching about colossus arms st

[rose ibex]

Yeah I struggle with pure single target too. I think its normal, man. Can't do much about it

[obsidian otter]

That’s about right for your item level. Your looking at about 120k-150k overall in mythic plus pugs you should be atleast second if not first depending on pug overall. Colossus single target isn’t the best atm when your comparing it to other classes it just is what it is

[fervent cedar]

Your job as arms is giga aoe

[minor gust]

just play slayer then

[fervent cedar]

St is shit it is what it is

[obsidian otter]

Best thing you can do is save pot for bosses if your worried that much

[minor gust]

[rose ibex]

Even slayer st is pretty bad

[minor gust]

not really no

[neat locust]

its only 10k dps st more. I tried all the variations, on aoe it falls alot behind

[fervent cedar]

Its better but doesn't really feel worth it

[latent moss]

trolling

pots are so massive

[neat locust]

on st slayer gives me 50-60k dps hardly a good tradeoff.

maybe i am just bad

[soft dew]

Slayer ST is pretty good

[neat locust]

@latent moss I found the html part, where do I focus to see the rotation in st?

[minor gust]

thats most likely it because slayer doesnt fall that far behind in aoe

[soft dew]

Not as good as other specs ofc but it's ok

[latent moss]

profile

[minor gust]

slayer is is strong too

[latent moss]

find profile

scroll down

[neat locust]

I did, i got the entire HTML., but there is alot

[rose ibex]

Im probably bad. I cannot seem to get good numbers on single target even as slayer

At least on the boss dummy

[neat locust]

I feel you there. Same

[rose ibex]

Like im 266 ilvl and maybe I get 50k

[minor gust]

if you are going into a boss as slayer with cds in M+ you do 70k easily

[rose ibex]

Maybe my trinkets suck. Maybe i need 4pc. Maybe its just consumes and enchants. I dunno

[minor gust]

yes you need 4pc

your dmg is always gonna be shit without it

dont bother comparing with others till you get it

[rose ibex]

Hmmm.. I see

Well pray for me this week that the vault is kind

[latent moss]

scroll down a bit and u will see actions.colossus_execute. its a priority list going from top to bottom in terms of priority

[rose ibex]

I still havent gotten a single item from any raid

[latent moss]

actions.colossus_st actions.colossus_aoe

execute means the boss is in execute

[neat locust]

Ah there! thanks

[olive nest]

Should absolutely pot big aoe pulls with all cooldowns because that’s what Colo arms is good at

[latent moss]

pot is like

800 primary

[olive nest]

Potting boss is honestly pretty troll

[latent moss]

or 2k highest stat

pots are insane

[minor gust]

yee the overall dif is noticeable if you pot on cd vs if you dont

[olive nest]

Always pot on cd

It’s omega value

[minor gust]

me when I forgot to pot constantly

[obsidian otter]

even the top warrior thats first boss of 17 key hes only doing 53k had all CDs up and hes geared as shit your not gonna be doing insane single target as warrior atm it just is what it is .

[rose ibex]

Does anyone else feel consumes are ultra expensive this season?

[olive nest]

Biz fuks btw

[minor gust]

they always are at the start

[olive nest]

That’s like the outlier example

[rose ibex]

Im not sure how to make money without dropping my precious engineering

[minor gust]

pro tip be an alchemist and spec into flask mastery for longer flask durations

its why alchemy is best prof in the game not even close

[olive nest]

Do that and also cooking

[rose ibex]

Yeah I agree... but im engineer for life on this character

[olive nest]

Takes like 15 minutes to have 2hr flasks and hardy 50 primary stat food

[rose ibex]

I dropped mining for enchanting. Thought maybe I could make some extra cash liquidating bad gear

Engineering this expansion is more painful than ever to level so im not even bothering

[nova marsh]

Both are awful

[neat locust]

oh wow, is that a 17 key?
But his overall is nice!

[obsidian otter]

yeah your overall should always be up there tanks pulls will make a big difference to if they are pulling smaller you will be lower its just how it works

his overall on that key was like 170k and he died last boss but he is like mythic geared already

[olive nest]

Odds are very likely that you won’t get a 200k overall with a pug tank

[minor gust]

theres like 10 different things that go into overall that you dont got control over

[olive nest]

Yep

Not to mention adds brought into boss

[dull cosmos]

When, if ever, are we using WW?

[obsidian otter]

that was last boss another single target boss only and his overall for the +17 they timed

[minor gust]

never

[rose ibex]

Ret pallies all seem insane right now

[dull cosmos]

Thought so, thanks

[rose ibex]

Every one ive played with all expansion has topped the meters

[obsidian otter]

they been that way even before the buff they blinded blizz by the light

[neat locust]

ok thats wild

[obsidian otter]

bamboozaled

[rose ibex]

Typical ret pallies

I remember at start of tww when they were supposedly weak, my friend was still topping meters with it

[obsidian otter]

ive never seen a ret not do almost instantly insane aoe from 3 globals and their single target always been above ours even before the shut down cry of their discord lol

[obsidian otter]

its a ploy to get buffed i swear

[rose ibex]

I dont understand what they do but I know it involves rng resets

[obsidian otter]

the only rng ret has is storm resetting for their aoe

[rose ibex]

Well, they have a large amount of players. They're bound to get some loud whiny shitters who don't stop complaining

Feels like its become a big part of internet gaming sphere. Whining and review bombing until people get what they want :/

[obsidian otter]

there a lady in our guild shes up there in age not sure how old but been raiding with her for like 10 years and she was old when i first started. I do some keys with her and her husband. And she is not the best dps.. So one year she swap to paladin and started topping dps lol

she never looked back

always paladin ret now

[nova marsh]

K I gotta ask

[obsidian otter]

mechanic wise shes really good though i think maybe its a reaction thing for the damage because she always asks for help and advice to improve on classes she plays she just only succeded at ret

[nova marsh]

Did silvermoon become hella laggy for anyone else after doing the story?

[rose ibex]

Hey im all for people doing their thing and having a good time. Certain specs and damage profiles just work well with some brains too

[thick kelp]

@latent moss no hearth on kill

[obsidian otter]

yup for sure

[latent moss]

gg

[obsidian otter]

she cant play bm hunter so its not the simplicity of the spec she must just like ret idk

[latent moss]

uninstall angle or

[rose ibex]

I really gel with piano cleave type of specs but if you make me individually click health bars for dotting im gonna fall apart most of the time haha

I also hate it when I have to "vanilla frostbolt spam". It makes my brain sad

Spriest is really fun because you can just tentacle slam in a big aoe and just piano away with barely any extra thought

[thick kelp]

Might

boss died in enrage

aka as my cds came up

0 parse

[minor gust]

you guys do Chim yet?

[latent moss]

gg

[thick kelp]

naw

prolly after saladbar

[tacit crystal]

you need the hall of fame...

[minor gust]

my guild decided to do that all night instead of early voidspire bosses sadly

[thick kelp]

...

[minor gust]

because they wanted HOF

so I didnt get a chance at heart this week

[tacit crystal]

wiat

how does chim affect box

do i get a chance at 1 and chim

or 1 2 chim

[minor gust]

no clue

[reef bone]

What’s the number of mobs threshold for arms switching to the multi target prio on wowhead. Is it as soon as there is more than 1 target?

[latent moss]

@steep osprey how does chim affect you

[wind hatch]

3 target

[minor gust]

I really liked Broad + powerful slayer on Chim felt really good especially if your raid consistently brings big add close so you can cleave executes and MS

[reef bone]

Ok so on paladins you prio cleave when the 3 are stood together but just do ST rotation when there are 2?

[minor gust]

Ik Niilol went cleave collat fob and did well too

[wind hatch]

Yep

[reef bone]

Lovely

[thick kelp]

cooking for saladbar

[reef bone]

Is there any add on or CD manager… thing… that shows when slam becomes HS?

[thick kelp]

yeah slam

[shut token]

Has anyone else experienced the problem of the mortal strike macro failing sometimes when phasing into dungeons or arenas?

[minor gust]

[wind hatch]

u just have to put slam on the cooldown manager

[reef bone]

Oh okay I feel like I can work that out 😂

Thanks guys

[still fox]

can any one link me the best m+ slayer talents? must try it

[thick kelp]

Notice any icon missing

[minor gust]

rend 🙂

[slow saddle]

Slayer m+ is hella fun

I know reap shouldnt make me feel good

But im that simple

[minor gust]

wowhead got you

[soft dew]

I love reap

[slow saddle]

And playin with battlelord is goated

I like op to ms to hs spam send a sd now and then

Would be goated if exe also send a slam always in st

Make slam relevant🤣

Mainly coz then exe could send hs

I do feel a bit like hs makes execute part a bit messy

But then again as long as prio is always hs

It aint 2 bad

[soft dew]

Do we know why we haven't gotten an update about the increase we would get with the coming changes to Arms?

[steep osprey]

I'm very allergic to it

[slow saddle]

Wdym 20% exe ,op 10% it has been stated n

[soft dew]

Yeah but what does it mean in terms of ST and MT dps?

[steep osprey]

Not a big increase for MT

About 4% for ST

[thick kelp]

how much is

93k -> 96k

[slow saddle]

So yes

Still shit

[thick kelp]

thats about how much St

[slow saddle]

Still what 6k behind fury?

[thick kelp]

12

[slow saddle]

Thats sad

[thick kelp]

no

10

[slow saddle]

Like

10 behind fury 30 behind uh?

[thick kelp]

yeah

[slow saddle]

The balance is horrid

[chilly island]

Do you guys think there will be a cleave nerf inc?

[slow saddle]

Should b 10 to uhdk

[slow saddle]

Allready is

Mortal wounds removed from cleave

[vapid spire]

Another aura would be better than just 10% on Overpower ngl

[slow saddle]

Nah

We need ms to

And slam // hs

More than aura

[vapid spire]

If they could rework/remove slam, i wouldnt care because this skill feels like shit to use

[slow saddle]

I dont mind slam

Im just trying 2 buff st abilities we use

Ms prob 1st that could use 20%

Then. Buff deep wounds for exe

[vapid spire]

I would like if we could get a decent damage meter again, not just 50% of our damage coming from 1 skill

[slow saddle]

Or well rebuff it 2 33%😅

[slow saddle]

Cleave being good isnt rly bad

[chilly island]

I cant see big ST buffs without even bigger AoE nerfs

[slow saddle]

Well as i said

[vapid spire]

We dont need Aoe nerf

[slow saddle]

Weeel

We are kinda grear

[vapid spire]

Mages, shamans, DKs, Hunters, Priest

[slow saddle]

T

[vapid spire]

They can easily reach 700k dps on a pull

[slow saddle]

Remember

Peak aint all

[chilly island]

they can hit 700k dps every 3 mins with PI and lust

[slow saddle]

Cleave keeps pumpin

Like cleave + fob truly does shine

[vapid spire]

I had an elemental shammy yesterday doing 300k steady dps

[slow saddle]

U just nees juicy keys

[olive nest]

I’ve peaked just over 700k on aoe pull

As Colo arms

[slow saddle]

Combat pot and good burst trinkets

Help

[olive nest]

I think by the time I reacted to the screenshot button I was at 689k

So I can’t technically prove it

Lmao

[slow saddle]

But. Again yes if they could buff our st more

We should do 110

And hopefully buff collosus st some how

[latent moss]

so close

but i was like piss ilvl

all 3 packs where 3rd boss algethar is

[olive nest]

Gaming

[slow saddle]

Cleavin

[latent moss]

no pi no lust

wait no

we lusted

[slow saddle]

Just cleave!!!

[latent moss]

with my current gear easy mil

[slow saddle]

Y so id take an overall aoe nerf

If they buffed our prio dmg and st

[olive nest]

Why would you want that?

[remote socket]

is arms that much better than fury in M+?

[slow saddle]

As in op // dreadnaught

[slow saddle]

Not at all

And slam // hs

[olive nest]

We don’t have to be the best ST if we can instead be the best Aoe by a good margin

Big aoe is fun

[restive rapids]

How is slayer in raid?

[slow saddle]

Fun but bad

[latent moss]

our prio dmg

is insane

[olive nest]

Not to mention we smoke the prio target

Ahh ye cone just said it too haha

[latent moss]

again u can run 3t quick sim and look at prio target dmg

it doesnt scale past 3

[shadow ibex]

Just need extra targets

[latent moss]

it doesnt scale past prio+2t

[shut token]

Is renewing rend prio over slam?

[olive nest]

I would never use rage on slam

You’re better off refreshing rend or pooling

Well, as Colo arms in a dungeon anyway

[latent moss]

ye if rend is in pandemic window

so 5 seconds

[latent moss]

im gonna sim this now

cause i started doing it too

just make sure i can ms on cd

[olive nest]

Yeah I just feely craft that ofc

But it feels good

[latent moss]

ye same

gonna sim it now

[shut token]

Thanks, this is what thought feels good to have it confirmed

[latent moss]

i think with skyfury u can just spam slam b

but i dont have a shaman

[olive nest]

Shaman is just so nice to have

I need to make best friends with a shaman

[latent moss]

same xdd

[minor gust]

you know whats funny is SD and AM bug still exists and it effects ava now

love watching my ava cd go up when I press SD

[latent moss]

bro i swear i noticed it

[olive nest]

wtf!?

I thought I was insane

[minor gust]

its been around since TWW

but am was only CS so you would just notice CS slightly go up with sd

now its ava too

[olive nest]

Bruh

Blizzard pls

[steep osprey]

What if SD works as if you spent that amount of rage

And it translates to AM

[latent moss]

it does that for tactician

but not am

idk why

[minor gust]

its just some weird bug that only happens when CS or ava is about to come off cd and you press SD

like if cs is 2 sec off from coming back and you press SD it goes back up to 2 during the global

[latent moss]

god knows why thats a thing

[marsh yarrow]

hello guys how to track heroic strike proc without looking at the bar

[latent moss]

track slam in cdm

[marsh yarrow]

ty

[slow saddle]

Lol

[slow saddle]

I have big action bar with just slam

[marsh yarrow]

lol

[slow saddle]

M8 it works

Invis it and when slam turns into hs i slam hs😅🤣

[stoic rampart]

Hey ladies - starting with 4pc arms out performs fury?

[slow saddle]

Hahah

No

[stoic rampart]

No?! 🤯

[slow vault]

Slayer or colo for someone learning arms for mainly 10-13 keys?

[slow saddle]

Slayer

100% imho

[slow vault]

Colo only for higher keys?

[stable fiber]

colossus is much harder to play but also better

slayer easier and something you would play more often in raid

[latent moss]

^

[stable fiber]

depends on what you care more about

[slow saddle]

Slayer is very straight foward

[stable fiber]

raid or m+

[slow saddle]

In n+

M+

[slow vault]

I play mainly m+

[stable fiber]

probably go colossus then if you intend on pushing

itll be harder though

go hit target dummy for 30 mins and it makes a lot of sense

[olive nest]

It’s all about the setup

Do the setup correctly and the meters skyrocket

[stable fiber]

rule of thumb is to never send ravager or avatar without having both demolish and colossus smash up

ravager and avatar are useless by themselves but paired with demolish and colossus smash are both extremely strong

[latent moss]

ye the biggest skill expression of colossus is just cd management

you must make sure have wb+demo every single pack

then generally u will alternate ava and rav until they line up

if u have a 1:30 trinket u can macro it with ravager

[olive nest]

Cry’s in puzzle box casting

[latent moss]

i gave up on it

[olive nest]

[latent moss]

i will get guidon from first boss

[stable fiber]

guidon might be something to look into

yeah

[latent moss]

ye just macro it to ravager

[stable fiber]

think that trinket is just broken asf

[latent moss]

ye

i had it in vault btw

[stable fiber]

guidon might also let you extend colossus smash into your next colossus smash btw

lmfao

[latent moss]

but ididnt take it

cause i thought it was shit

[stable fiber]

in 3t atleast

[olive nest]

Hmmm may haps I slept on guidon

[latent moss]

cause raidbots was down

so i just took socket

[olive nest]

I told RL I didn’t want it

[latent moss]

gg

[olive nest]

Might have to go back on that

[latent moss]

tbf u dont really for raid

[minor gust]

thats the haste on use right?

[latent moss]

ye

its like 600 haste or something stupid

[stable fiber]

im already close to extending some CS's into my next CS cast

[minor gust]

I can see it you can already pretty much get 100% uptime with lust

[latent moss]

ye

this tierset is pretty busted

[minor gust]

mhmm

[latent moss]

cant wait to be criminally undertuned next season

[minor gust]

Im gonna hate to lose it

[latent moss]

same

[candid pecan]

guidon?

[minor gust]

allowing BS to extend CS makes BS feel better to use in ST

[latent moss]

first boss

[minor gust]

[latent moss]

1:30 on use gives infinite haste

[latent moss]

lowk thats the only reason slayer is playable for me on st

xdd

wish you could talent into aoe unhinged

[minor gust]

imagine if we still had it as a talent tho

[latent moss]

cleaves instead

[minor gust]

and worked on aoe

yeah giga

[latent moss]

could be a capstone talent

instead of fucking

master tactician

5% tactician wooo

[minor gust]

[daring heron]

MASTER TACTICIAN

[latent moss]

replace it with pile on

[candid pecan]

ty

[latent moss]

15 seconds of 620 haste is nuts

i hate myself so much btw

[minor gust]

nice to just macro into ravager

[latent moss]

for taking socket

ye

[minor gust]

since ravager static

no stupid cast like box either

[latent moss]

theoretically u could also macro it to cs

[olive nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1469893416564555909/1486057513546940597/Screenshot_2026-03-24_124100.png?ex=69cc0768&is=69cab5e8&hm=0ca86a1bc6214de09269f8db17ae0d7acab497fb61176892fc95d40a679050fc&

Literally same

Lmao

[latent moss]

yep

and i didnt take it

[olive nest]

I took shoulders for Cata though

[latent moss]

cause i thought it was shit

[minor gust]

it dropped on heroic this week but I passed on it

[latent moss]

gg

[olive nest]

So did I

So mad

[latent moss]

man i need to join a guild so i can get raid loot

pmo blizz

[minor gust]

we had a mythic aln drop last night

[latent moss]

guidon and heart mog gaze unfort

[minor gust]

pogged out my rogue buddy got it

yeah I passed on it

[latent moss]

heart mogs all trinkets for arm

plume also good

but i want on use for raid

and im not using puzzy b

fuck ass trinket

2 min is genuinely evil i swear it like never aligns for me with anything

pulling a pack and its like 8s on cd

[minor gust]

On use trinkets feel like complete ass on arms

with ava on am

[latent moss]

ye

[minor gust]

ima just double passive it up all season with the exception of trying out first boss trinket when I play colo

cuz ravager

[latent moss]

also idk what people are talking about but i stack heroic might to 4/5 consistently

well consistently is an overstatement but

[olive nest]

I’ve been running puzzi b you basically have to sit on it for the next full cd window

[lusty slate]

what do u do as colosus arms if u have 20 sec till ravager, do we just wait that . or use on next avatar ?

[olive nest]

It’s annoying

[latent moss]

most of the time its 4 5

[lusty slate]

this feels a bit confusing

[minor gust]

its rng it happens

[latent moss]

use on next cs+demo

same with ava

[lusty slate]

yea , the avatar part seems logic , but the timing of ravager is so off

[latent moss]

this should get pinned lowk

[lusty slate]

yep

sounds good

[nova marsh]

So were holding?

[olive nest]

If it helps understand, ravager is bad by itself you use it as an enabler for cleave and cleave does the most damage after a wb+demolish so there for using ravager with those CDs only, gives the best result

[nova marsh]

That feels....weird

[latent moss]

u hold until cs+demo

[lusty slate]

got it , ty

[latent moss]

never delay cs+demo

especially in aoe

the cdr is insane

[stable fiber]

arms is effectively a 3 min spec

for your giga burst

[lusty slate]

seems so , yea

[stable fiber]

can be less if there is downtime inbetween a big pack but yeah

[minor gust]

even when the pack is about to die send cs and demo you will get that shit back fast into next pull

[latent moss]

ye

[olive nest]

2x demo+cs each pack

Ez

[latent moss]

ye thats what im getting in 16s and 17s

2x cs+demo

[minor gust]

me being able to get x2 BS in a pack now in higher keys

[latent moss]

idk how can other specs compete with that unironically

[olive nest]

They can’t lmao

[latent moss]

especially since the second set

is in mass execution

[olive nest]

We bring giga value through add clearing

Can’t deny it

[latent moss]

just casual 20% cleave damage

[olive nest]

Where’s the pre season tier list yap!?

https://tenor.com/view/none-of-my-business-tea-kermit-frog-gif-5084362

[latent moss]

also whats funny is tierlist people yapping about arms now how after all thse buffs arms is good

[minor gust]

doom lives forever in the moment

[latent moss]

arms was like this since the 15% buff

[minor gust]

never trust the future with blizz

[stable fiber]

the petko and zorthas gameplay was funny

[latent moss]

axxaxaa i love how petko got gapped by biz and instantly reevaluated arms

in his defense there was no way to know

[minor gust]

lmao

[latent moss]

unless u played arms yourself

[olive nest]

Biz casually gapping petko

[minor gust]

only like 100 arms players rn anyways

[latent moss]

also in his defense he put arms into ????? tier

[minor gust]

aint no one gonna see

[latent moss]

cause he doesnt know if its cause its biz or cause its arms

[olive nest]

F tier gaming

[steep osprey]

That's always funny. tierlist shows arms as D meanwhile every arms is doing obsene damage in M+

and people are always surprised

[latent moss]

i think this is the most underrated arms has ever been

[latent moss]

tbf there are people doing no damage

as colo

it is a skill check spec

[olive nest]

Right the setup is everything

[latent moss]

1 billion ways to fuck it up

[olive nest]

That confuses warriors

[icy atlas]

I figured people care more about boss damage? For one reason or another

[latent moss]

both are important

the higher u go the more dangerous trash gets

tank can just fall over from 3 melees lining up

although i guess brew solves that

immortal spec

[stable fiber]

it requires perfect cd management

1 fuck up with ravager or avatar

= zdps

and people just send that shit on cd no thinking

[latent moss]

ye

[stable fiber]

= f tier spec

bang

[olive nest]

Which is really honestly hard to fuck up, you just always send one or both with cs+demo

Which we covered above lol

[latent moss]

if tank isnt human and pulls a pack then randomly chains

u do zdps

[olive nest]

Chaining is so criminal

Unless it’s after my cs demo are back

[latent moss]

our biggest modifier is a debuff

ye

well in tww tnaks could know if u had cds

now they have to ask

👍

[olive nest]

Actual

[latent moss]

give me my details back blizzard

[nova marsh]

But guys clearly that was so unhealthy for the game

Communication mid pull? In my mmo?

[scarlet mortar]

am i supposed to use heroic strike aoe?

[nova marsh]

No

[sharp wyvern]

you kinda do through cleave

[olive nest]

Yes if you can’t cleave 3T

[nova marsh]

Fob casts it 4 u

[scarlet mortar]

okay perfect how about 2 target?

oh really?

okay

[nova marsh]

2 targ is ST rota

[scarlet mortar]

new to arms sorry

so do i cleave single target or just slam?

[olive nest]

During ravager yes

[scarlet mortar]

cleave during ravager? got it

and slam outside of that

arms is fun as hell ngl

im a prot warr main but just farming windrunner for trinket and having a blast

although ST seems low

[olive nest]

If you can’t ms, op, sd, refresh rend, or heroic strike, then yes I’d cleave in that scenario

[latent moss]

ye st is low but aoe is absurd

[olive nest]

On ST

[latent moss]

apl changed slam is better

[scarlet mortar]

yeah aoe is redic

[olive nest]

Oh really, makes sense because of the 10% nerf

[latent moss]

on reset slam is dead in execute

[olive nest]

So no more cleave ST got it

[scarlet mortar]

okay cool good to know

even during ravager?

[latent moss]

u use it during ravager

[stable fiber]

cleave during ravager still can crit for 200k in st

so

[scarlet mortar]

so its prio ST only with ravger

makes sense

got it

[olive nest]

Arms owns

[stable fiber]

even so in execute

[scarlet mortar]

oh really?

okay good to know cause my ST is turbo ass

[steep osprey]

Owns what?

[olive nest]

That’s because we just get to execute instead

[steep osprey]

A home?

[olive nest]

[latent moss]

yep

[latent moss]

everyone

[olive nest]

Don’t worry that’s the trade off for having wicked aoe

[slow vault]

i tried some colo now.. seems kinda fun.. will it still be better in m+ after tuning on march 31? if i understand slayer correctly, you would press execute more then?

[stable fiber]

still better

[slow vault]

k thanks for your help mate!

[thick kelp]

@minor gust bro im pumping salad baar

[minor gust]

whats the cook?

[olive nest]

That’s hot Hollyy

[dim basalt]

If I don't get a weapon in vault Im going Arms I think

😩

[minor gust]

shouldnt have gone fury to begin with

[dim basalt]

True

[olive nest]

When there’s two warriors you gotta play the flavor or bench perma

[thick kelp]

Broad strokes + powerful

[jovial hare]

join a better guild that lets ur dreams be more than memes

[thick kelp]

but is this potent

[olive nest]

Unironically he’d probably let me

[minor gust]

Big WW

[thick kelp]

ehh

[jovial hare]

ready the bladestorm, brother

[thick kelp]

Just own the other warrior

[minor gust]

we always play two warriors because me and the other warrior are just better than other people

[thick kelp]

[minor gust]

[olive nest]

Lmfao

My duo war is good I have competition

[jovial hare]

I am the only plate in my raid group (:

[olive nest]

Now that is what’s up

Just get all the gear

[jovial hare]

right?

[olive nest]

No DK must be miserable

Like how do you manage mythic vorasius

You just don’t practically 😆

[thick kelp]

Bro collat

might be it

[minor gust]

hows the ww dmg

[thick kelp]

Not bad

like 600k only pressing it at 3 collats

[minor gust]

are you trying to save WW for the small balls?

or just sending at 3

[thick kelp]

just sending at 3

I think fob too

[minor gust]

yeah you might as well play fob

you are only dropping Bloodsurge for it

which is nothing

[thick kelp]

yepp

lowkey

I am unsure tho if drop smth for MP

[minor gust]

you could maybe drop broad

idk the uptime needed for SS on saldabar

[thick kelp]

Broad is usefull

theres a bunch of small orbs

I ran out of broad sweeps

a few times later on in the pulls

due to cleavin orbs perma

with exec

or ms

[minor gust]

yeah idk if you can take MP sucks its where its at in the tree

locked behind op and slam talent

[thick kelp]

Big ring

yoiink

[minor gust]

big crit

im just using xenas rings

[thick kelp]

I am on welfare rings

[mystic summit]

I hope everybody gets a mythic weapon from the vault tomorrow

[minor gust]

holy banished to the xenas mines with you

[olive nest]

Xenas rings not bad tbh

Stats decent + like 300k free damage

[minor gust]

I am at 30% crit rn I dont feel the next for an extra crit ring

could get extra crit ring for keys tho

[thick kelp]

stats fixed @latent moss

[latent moss]

finally

[minor gust]

BEAUTIFUL

[thick kelp]

now proc a quick occulsion of void from vault

[latent moss]

proc one from dungeon

xdd

[terse osprey]

Returning player here back to midnight hows arms doin in pve rn?

[thick kelp]

[thick kelp]

Owns

[terse osprey]

Does it feel good to play?

Should i play it or run fury for lvling?

[polar portal]

Tfw the average slam deals more damage than the average execute

The spec needs god

[stray vessel]

oooh ma gah weee are getting excute buff im goooona cry

[thick kelp]

upgrade from TWW

i prefer arms for leveling

[terse osprey]

Awesome!

[floral ledge]

is the overpower buff also buff dreadnaught ?

[junior sandal]

Quick question as slayer, do you always delay Bladestorm for CS ?

[warped spade]

That's not what this says

[foggy oracle]

Guys, any recommended guid for arms ? Am feeling little bit lost in rotation

[manic quest]

I read on wowhead and different YouTube guides that you do.

[sand totem]

Is this about what a proper secondary spread should look like?

[minor gust]

More slayer keys lil 13 MC such fun

[soft dew]

Nice

[polar portal]

Nice

[olive nest]

Surely that is pre Tuesday data

[junior sandal]

Ok ty
Feels terrible holding it for so long

[minor gust]

it doesnt take long for CS to come off cd

always worth to hold especially with 4pc

[vapid pivot]

Possible unpopular opinion, this version of arms since TWW, maybe even DF, is horrid to me

[mint patio]

I share that opinion.

[vapid pivot]

SS also doesn’t feel that good anymore to me

[soft dew]

I don't enjoy having to press Slam

I miss HARD hitting MS

But overall I still like this version

[rose ibex]

What about opposite? Is it better to just full send CS?

[minor gust]

no never hold CS you hold BS for CS

can hold cs only if u need it for something and it wont be back in time

[thorn stream]

This

[polar portal]

The only thing I really dislike about it is how we AoE

[rose ibex]

Just sucks when avatar and bs are like 15 seconds away from being off cd

And you wanna do the big combo

[minor gust]

CS cd is short

not a big deal

[warped spade]

You shouldn't be holding it that long, you can send bladestorm if CS is still on the target with a few seconds remaining. In m+ you should probably hold cs for the next pack if targets are dying too fast

[soft dew]

Yeah CS comes back fast, delaying is probably a huge loss

[dire hinge]

Or the RNG of getting a bunch of SD procs on pull and being able to send BS a second time in 30 seconds 💀

[rose ibex]

The logic is sound but the heart wants the big burst asap

[dire hinge]

Sucks for raid consistency

[minor gust]

couldnt be me

[rose ibex]

One of my favorite things

[minor gust]

[dire hinge]

Lmao it’s LITERALLY YOU

[rose ibex]

Slayer arms rolls the dice more than outlaw rogue

[old glacier]

Hmm how is arms on cosmos?🤔

[inland berry]

Hello, I have a question. On Bloodmallet, the Hunt crafted trinket says its like #4 - #5 for both Fury and Arms, in both ST and AOE in most cases. Plume trinkets and Gaze trinkets are rated higher. But I'll never Mythic raid. So do you think It's worth to craft 285 Hunt trinket? Idk if It's full bait or not

[clear wren]

I need more haste/crit gear to drop 😭

[old glacier]

I'm happy to say that I've completely eradicated versatility from my gear.

[junior sandal]

Yeah that's the thing, BLsometimes comes off CD 2/3 seconds after CS has gone off target so in this case you don't hold ?
For raid not m+

[warped spade]

Depends on the fight, but you probably don't have 4p yet cause your CS should be close to coming up again

[vapid pivot]

I like cleave actually being a thing, but I wish it was a 360 ability.

[dire hinge]

Fury is 360, arms is frontals

The reach of it is quite far, so it’s okay to be on the outskirts of a pack, or reposition from a different angle

[rose ibex]

What about spin spin

Slayer strike is also a spin.... but it only hits 1 target

[dire hinge]

I know sweeping strikes hits behind you, but idk if unswept unhinged does or not (I’m afk, can’t test)

[rose ibex]

Unhinged does not seem to work with ss

[olive nest]

Cleave actually reaches farther than you’d expect!
Can still snipe boss damage when you have to sit outside of a circle or something

[astral yarrow]

that was killed even before war within

[rose ibex]

Very unfortunate

[astral yarrow]

what hes asking is whether unhinged will hit a target behind you or you need to face it

[rose ibex]

Ohhhhhhhhhh I want to know as well

I assume you need to be targeting something

[warped spade]

No, just stand next to a dummy face away and hit BS

You'll have your answer 😉

[astral yarrow]

it does

even works without targetting

[mortal crag]

quick question what are 4 incredibly important buffs to keep track of as arms

[floral ledge]

is the overpower buff also buff dreadnaught ?

[astral yarrow]

sweep

and thats about it

[mortal crag]

srs?

hi ass :3

does sd matter to colo?

im trying to work on the atrocity UI to be a bit cuter with ayjie's cdm for me

to kinda have it lined up nice etc

so i wanna know whats like

"if it pops press this" or "keep track of this" type shi

[astral yarrow]

very little and your execute button will light up anyway

[dire hinge]

Sudden Death, Executioners Precision, and Sweeping Strikes basically

[mortal crag]

ZOINKS SCOOB

very nice

bro is HDR

[astral yarrow]

this is what i have and its useless half of it

[mortal crag]

i gotta fix it for colo

rend giga prio?

trying to read wowhead etc

then ill just spam 10s to practice

[astral yarrow]

sort

sort of sadly

[dire hinge]

It doesn’t do much damage 🙁

[astral yarrow]

but im a "on pull and hopefully something refreshes it" kinda guy

doesnt do much damage but giga DPE

[mortal crag]

DPE?

[dire hinge]

Aoe*

[mortal crag]

do we care to track collat/mow/crushing combo w.e that is?

[astral yarrow]

no

[dire hinge]

Not really no

[mortal crag]

srs?

holy

wait is arms fun?

[dire hinge]

Hella fun

[mortal crag]

its no longer playing minigames like in s2 tww?

[astral yarrow]

i kind of like tracking combo though

[mortal crag]

stacking multiplicatives?

[halcyon valve]

I was fucking around on target dummies earlier, and on sustained 5 target aoe, going for colossus with bleed dmg instead of the 25% extra cleave dmg is actually not far behind

[astral yarrow]

if you play box, you have 2 variable cds and 2 static ones

it kind of blows

wb ava variable, ravager 1.5min and box 2 min

so i just play no box and yolo

[mortal crag]

box?

[wide needle]

Im ass at arms boys

[mortal crag]

based so am i

[rare kite]

puzzle

[mortal crag]

oh

dont have it yet

based light company enjoyer

[wide needle]

What should I be running in raid and m+

[mortal crag]

HOW ARE WE FEELING LADS

[wide needle]

Slayer//Colo?

Or can I go Colo in both

[dire hinge]

You use a mix of both in raid, depending on which boss you’re fighting

For M+ it’s basically preference

You can check WarcraftLogs for each boss to see which ones folks use the most

[mortal crag]

i think what's important is having the kaching sound effect

[dire hinge]

Rip WeakAuras

[brisk mango]

Can they just get rid of this slam/hs apex... I already have 72 rotation buttons to keep track of, my hand fucking hurt

[mortal crag]

@dire hinge speak for urself i got kaching back

my shi kachinging

quick rundown on what to do?

[dire hinge]

Slam turns into HS automatically in single target so that’s still the same button.

In AoE your Cleave will auto-consume your HS procs via the Fervor of Battle talent, since it casts Slam (your HS) if it hits 3 or more targets.

[wide needle]

Ok that makes sense. And wowhead just learn the prio list there and send eh?

[dire hinge]

With some nuance per fight yes. Sometimes it’s best to save a CD for a few seconds bc adds will spawn shortly and you can get massive damage by bursting them

You can check sites like Lorrgs for timing breakdowns (be sure to filter to Boss and Difficulty)

[minor gust]

14 AA completed as slayer clean shit

[mortal crag]

is ts true?

charge rend rava etc?

[minor gust]

if you have 0 stacks yes

[mortal crag]

charge rend rava ava wb spam cleave?

theres no prestacking anymore on dummies before key right?

[minor gust]

you can I assume

ive been doing it as slayer

will depend on the key tho

[sacred zodiac]

revvez puts demo after wb which feels cleaner

dunno what the difference is

[mortal crag]

ait

watching episode of game show with gf

pause the coaching

[dire hinge]

Yeah sim does the same. Demos early and cleaves afterwards

They buffed demos baseline damage so it’s safer to send with no stacks

You then rapidly get back up to to 8+ stacks between your Crushing Combo stacks and a swept MS

Technically I think you’re supposed to (major CDs) -> CS-> MS -> Demo -> Cleave x4 -> MS

[torn rivet]

boiz the 20% execute and 10% op is how much? 3-4% overall?

[dire hinge]

Correct for single target

[torn rivet]

fair, thank u fren

[dire hinge]

Always!

[remote socket]

is that a female belf?

[boreal remnant]

Was watching revvez pov on paladins and notice he doesn't really press ravager that much, I guess the it's not that great of a global?

[minor gust]

I havent watched him play but hes holding it for other cds I assume

like WB demo

[boreal remnant]

no he just lets it sit through ava + wb and all of that

[minor gust]

prob also waits for all 3 bosses to be together oto

weird was he holding it too when all 3 together or no?

[boreal remnant]

yeah

as far as I could see at least

[minor gust]

no idea then Revvez works in mysterious ways

[spark dawn]

guys i really struggling, every of my cd disalign everytime im new to war arms can someone help ? do we use a macro to avoid that or talent to not take ? actually i have m+ talent from wow head

[minor gust]

welcome to arms your cds are all over the place

fuck I gotta save that Khazix quote to make this easier

[boreal remnant]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2732198033?t=03h03m21s

he sent it on pull and then I don't think I saw him press it after

[spark dawn]

and im awaiting everytime collosus smash and demolish to align ?

what is the rule for that

[minor gust]

yes you always just hold rava or avatar till demolish and CS is ready

[spark dawn]

yes but without ava or rava i mean

do i need them to wait for them to align ?

[spring vale]

You do send demolish whenever unless CS is up relatively soon, no?

[minor gust]

He must of had a brain fart that pull. Cuz next pull he sent ravager again once he had CS + demo and all 3 bosses stacked back together

[spark dawn]

yes thats pretty much my question ahah

[minor gust]

yeah if you got strong rng demo is up super fast

[dire hinge]

Yeah. Bear in mind that when you get 4pc you can send CS early and extend it for a while if Demo isnt ready yet

[minor gust]

you can send it

[spark dawn]

and heroic strike ? with heroic talent i see that i have procs should i use them ? i dont see it in the rotation from wowhead

[minor gust]

thats because in aoe cleave consumes HS for you thanks to FOB

you wont need to press it at 3+ targets

[spark dawn]

sorry what means FOB ?

[minor gust]

Fervor of Battle

[spark dawn]

Okay thanks

[brazen laurel]

2 targets, sim tells me to hit cleave but im seeing revvez hit slam? or am i cooked.. on vanguards

[steep osprey]

Revvez having a brain fart??

[minor gust]

🤷

[steep osprey]

Hmm

I'll let Frozen answer this

I have no clue lol

I'm gonna assume that cleave is better slam at 2 targets

[boreal remnant]

slam or heroic strike?

[steep osprey]

Slam, Heroic strike is way better

[minor gust]

with the buffs on reset cleaves prio in ST changes

[brazen laurel]

im guessing purely because u almost deal same dmg without spending sweping strikes?

and then spend sweeping strikes on more hard hitting buttons or

[minor gust]

in 2t you cleave rn with x3 collat stacks only

[steep osprey]

Aren't you still using it over Slam with Ravager up

[minor gust]

so he prob didnt have max collat stacks

which is why he slammed

[brazen laurel]

i see

[boreal remnant]

this might be a place for me to go read the apl

haven't really studied arms much since it wasn't worth studying until now

[minor gust]

yeah with ravager up you hit cleave. ravager or x3 collat

[steep osprey]

In ST too?

[minor gust]

tech yeah but that changes with buffs tomorrow

[steep osprey]

Why

They didn't buff slam

[minor gust]

idk I havent seen the new apl yet

just really know the current one rn

if my understood it correctly

[elder path]

Any chance overpowering finish is gonna be worth taking with the OP buffs?

[mortal crag]

No it's a nelf

[remote socket]

not sure thats better tbh

[mortal crag]

Huh

[remote socket]

i said im not sure thats better tbh

[wide needle]

Night born

[rare kite]

It's way better

[nova marsh]

Standing position is wrong for them

[brazen laurel]

W

[remote socket]

Nah, if you’re a male rockin a female toon its weird

[rare kite]

yea sure mr asmongold

[rose ibex]

Im surprised they havent nerfed the dragons

[brazen laurel]

But dragons is kinda easy

[remote socket]

Wut

[zenith dagger]

fellas is it weird to make ur character hot

[rare kite]

he's got the same opinion

[remote socket]

Might just be a masculine thing idk

[rare kite]

xD

[zenith dagger]

maybe you just got some things to figure out

[remote socket]

I mean I removed soy from my diet if that counts

[dire hinge]

speedrun that bone loss and ED king 🫡

[midnight mural]

Am i missing something, or wouldnt it have been more beneficial for Illhitu to play Mass Execution instead of the Deep Wounds talent that makes execute give deep wounds? Execute is hardly pressed and +20% dmg on cleave below 35% seems like it would be alot better.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fnR8kDJaBpj1mhxq?fight=58&type=summary&source=641

[tight wing]

idk I cannot stand male animations/voice lines

[dire hinge]

yeah, Mass Execution was likely the play, especially before tuesday's tuning patch, but you can still kill bosses with suboptimal talents.

[remote socket]

Wut, soy literally has estrogen in it

[dire hinge]

right, check out what estrogen deficiency does to men.
Always consult your doctor when it comes to dietary things

[remote socket]

I did, my test levels are super high so he recommended it to me

[zenith dagger]

I make my character in dark souls a male cuz i like the damage noises 🫦

[dire hinge]

that's great to hear!

i have a male toon because i love looking at mens butts

glad to hear you're on the same page as me

[remote socket]

Eh that’s gay homie

[dire hinge]

my favorite dungeon is Caverns because the core mechanic of the 2nd boss is making boy ghosts kiss each other

[remote socket]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-what-am-i-reading-what-am-i-looking-at-guy-looking-at-paper-jimmy-butler-looking-at-paper-gif-10656430272991200421

[rose ibex]

Feels difficult to pug. Its a raid mechanic where 1 guy can ruin it for everyone and wipe the raid by just not doing the thing

[dire hinge]

[rose ibex]

That's beautiful

I support your opinions

[mortal crag]

whats the colo opener if we have stacks and also how do we prestack and what do we prestack? (cuz it was said u can prestack before a key starts)

basically how do i approach a pack

[dire hinge]

you shouldn't be able to pre-stack before a key starts

you can pre-stack before you go into the next group of adds mid-key, but buffs usually reset (or time out) by the time you run inside and start the key

[mortal crag]

some1 said u can

[dire hinge]

that's wild and probably unintended 😳

[mortal crag]

here

[mortal crag]

hehe

[mortal crag]

ok so what would my FIRST pull opener be vs consequent pulls?

i have NO clue about what the new stacks/buffs etc do

(hi kong :3)

[dire hinge]

your opening pull is basically here (assuming no stacks, press start to a key)
#arms message

[mortal crag]

charge>rend>rava>ava+CS>mortal strike to build demo stacks>smash cleave?

[midnight mural]

If you can use training dummies you probrably can stack it (Colossal Might). The buff is what 24 seconds long? You just need to find some way to refresh your Colossal Might stack (just press mortal strike on something) before it runs out. (Hi rag)

[dire hinge]

from that point moving forwards, you'll often have 10 Colossal Might stacks built up between new packs, and you follow the WoWhead AoE rotation, based on what's currently available to you at the time

[dire hinge]

Basically yes.

[mortal crag]

why cant i just send cleave before demolish for stacks?

doesnt cleave build stacks?

[midnight mural]

ye, if it hits 3 targets

[rare kite]

for aoe i prefer the charge>rend>cs+ava>rav>cleave a bunch>ms then demo opener

feels really good

[mortal crag]

yes so on a pull it will

[dire hinge]

cleave does build stacks, but not even the sims do that with full tier

[rare kite]

i know frozenbozo does the same opener as me

in aoe

[dire hinge]

it's sort of potato/tomato though

[mortal crag]

ok but basically rava/ava/cs/spam cleave/demo

[dire hinge]

you can cleave first and cast Demo before CS expires, or just send it right away, and you'll rapidly get Demo back thanks to the cleave spam

[midnight mural]

Noo

[mortal crag]

lets say i enter a pull with 10 stacks and all cds
itll just be
charge, rend, rava, ava, cs, demolish, spam cleaves

right?

[dire hinge]

yuppers

[mortal crag]

i mean, in tww we stacked collat so it was cancerous

but ik collat got revamped

test of might was what, 10s? i think? now its 24s? so its POSSIBLE i guess depending on key

[midnight mural]

Ye, i havent tested it though

[mortal crag]

not test mb