arms

[short spear]

i dont really play arms a lot. if you were to do aoe on slayer, when would you bladestorm in the burst window

[weak rain]

Is technically gloves from the seat +rings from nexus-point+crown neck giga bis combo?

[thick kelp]

Depends on your talents

[tight wing]

Ava>CS>BS>cont

[thick kelp]

with crushing combo you would BS after you have cleaved as much as possible

[umbral badger]

i liked it more after the no-cd cleaves are over for the extention of CS on enemies

[short spear]

so finish crushing combo and the bladestorm

[umbral badger]

4 cleaves, cleave on cd, bladestorm , then cleave

[short spear]

ah i havent be able to get tier set yet, but its good practive

practice

[tight wing]

I BS before for the Dmg bonus\

[thick kelp]

You can follow this priority

as your Slayer m+ opener

Cleave as much as you can and spend SD

then BS

if you cannot cleave or SD

this includes if you run out of rage to cleave

even if you got free cleaves left

[umbral badger]

about this though, would ppl execute while BS is ready ? feels like a waste of cd reduction "or maybe BS dmg it self is minimum in comparison"

[short spear]

ya i saw the guides priority list but i wanted to make sure there wasnt extra tips about it

[umbral badger]

the sudden death / bladestorm part is the only thing that i was confused about as a slayer :p

[umbral badger]

btw, during bladestorm you could even swap targets to extend CS on multiple targets with unhinged instead of one, or you could foucs the one if the one is a boss / stronger monster

[tight wing]

I SD>HS (if SD procs it)>BS

[tight wing]

Unhinged is random no?

[umbral badger]

on dummies seem to only affect my target

so i started doing it on m+

the swapping

so if you go to the 5 dummies and do your aoe combo you can see that your target CS can last almost until the next CS is ready

for example, CS + mortal + cleave cleave cleave cleave + mortal + BS

then cleave

your main target CS lasts until next CS is ready almost

but since that is too long in AoE i just swap targets

[tight wing]

ohhh I see Your target or a random nearby that's why I was confused lol

[umbral badger]

well

could be random and my distance was the thing that made me think that?

on dummies

will just try again

[tight wing]

I assume it prios your target, and if they out of range it goes random

[umbral badger]

cuz distance can be what decieved me

either way i'd still try to make it hit multiple targets

don't need a 20-30 sec CS on one target in aoe xd

@tight wing so on dummies htis is how it looks

only one target

[tight wing]

this

[umbral badger]

yea

so i assume i was doing it right in m+ just swap targets if you think that the 20+ seconds CS is too long for the fight on Single enemy

[tight wing]

unless tank pulls into boss

[umbral badger]

like on dummies my next CS literally gets ready when my first CS went down it's kinda funny to see 🤣

so if tank pulls into boss

must be so good for ST

[tight wing]

yeah

esp with 5 stacks

of apex

[umbral badger]

yea that's 60% dmg CS for a very long time

interesting

i still prefer colossus more, feels like you are just hitting like a truck in comparison "regardless of dps"

[short spear]

i hope i get tier from my vault so i can get 4 set soon

[tight wing]

same

[umbral badger]

hopefully yea you need 4 to be able to get free catalysts

i used 5 catalysts and i have 4 still

cuz i got my set early

[short spear]

ill make sure to do lfr on my alt to see if he lucks out on 4 set before my warrior if i get unlucky on reset

[umbral badger]

i am using catalyst on everything now

[tight wing]

I wish I could have, only 1 warrior tier piece dropped and I lost it lol

[umbral badger]

as you can see

once you have 4 set

[thick kelp]

you Sd for damage not for CDR generally

[umbral badger]

you just need to grind m+ for catalysts if you want to prep for myth track / her ot rack / off piees

[thick kelp]

You can game it and track executioner stacks

and wait till u have atleast 1

for SD's

[umbral badger]

yea i realized it, ty ty .

to be fair BS is not even top 3 in dmg so who cares if it resets fast or not xd

[short spear]

sad times when bladestorm is a joke ability

[umbral badger]

@tight wing your prio is to get 4 set even if on trash item track so that you can drop as many catalysts as possible

so keep going LFR and praying :p

LFR normal and hc ofc

at least next week new wing opens too

[tight wing]

yeah I'm locked and have only seen 1 drop in 2 weeks LOL

[umbral badger]

you should be at 3 set minimum next week so we only need 1 more to drop or from vault 😄

[thick kelp]

There is like 1-2 specific situations where you want it to proc back fast ex. dragon boss so you can "pad" on the orb spawns at 0:32

but yeah

[umbral badger]

yea to be fair fury slayer feels much smother on vaeger and ezzorak in terms of reseting BS so i just stuck with it, but maybe slayer arms after buff should be the choice for sure

[tight wing]

if I get one from vault I'm 4 set, I have 2 set just (got one from vault last week) so I can catalyze and get 4 set

[umbral badger]

colossus would be insane if it wasn't so far behind in ST

[thick kelp]

I definetly think on mythic Arms might be better

[umbral badger]

yes especially with new buffs

[umbral badger]

nice good luck

[tight wing]

thanks, I'll need it

[astral yarrow]

can i sneak a colossus on dwagons wednesday

[umbral badger]

gonna try to farm chest to catalyst into a hero track instead of my champ track chest, so that others in my raid can take chest pieces instead

[astral yarrow]

how is col 2t actually

[umbral badger]

the problem is that the fight is majorily not two targets, but if you do a sim for 2 targets 5 mins for example, colossus generally gains much more dps on 2 targets than slayer.

[slow saddle]

Faacts

[astral yarrow]

brother...

mythic is perma 2 targets and then giga aoe every 40 ish seconds

[slow saddle]

Mythic is

Col heaven?

[umbral badger]

you did not specifiy it's mythic :p

i wouldn't know you wanna experiment in mythic xd

[slow saddle]

Every prog pull is

[astral yarrow]

mythic isnt this giga serious thing

ofc imma experiment

[slow saddle]

Y i mean, until tacs and all are down dmg matters less

[umbral badger]

either way if you sim, colossus does gain much more dmg on 2 targets than slayer so i wouldn't be surprised if it pulls ahead although i am not sure how does the ORBs aoe work with colossus on that fight

[astral yarrow]

i am not concerned with arms slayer cause that can die in a ditch somewhere

im comparing it to fury thane

[umbral badger]

i don't like arms slayer that much as well tbf

it makes me sad when i don't see huge bonks as arms

[astral yarrow]

slayer for both specs can choke on something massive

[slow saddle]

Col 2t at 100%

[astral yarrow]

and not in the sexy way

[umbral badger]

hahaha

[slow saddle]

Actually slaywr arms feels better than fury

[astral yarrow]

veeeeeery low bar to hit

[slow saddle]

Yes

[umbral badger]

genuinely as much as i hate fury, i still find fury slayer more fun than arms slayer just becausse "if they both can't do huge crits, i rather have some smoother gameplay"

[slow saddle]

But slayer fury doesnr

[umbral badger]

and i say that only because fury resets their cds much faster

[slow saddle]

Arms slayer does

[umbral badger]

it's just the cds thing

[thick kelp]

its ok on dragons

[slow saddle]

Bs misaligns

[umbral badger]

especially cuz of 4 set

[slow saddle]

A lot

[umbral badger]

yea but who cares, as long as you get to hit ti more on orbs xd

but it's not the BS even, i think fury 4 set is crazy good for "padding'

whichi s fun

not important for prog, but fun.

[slow saddle]

U could also just press cleave twice🤯

[umbral badger]

bruv i hate cleave in this raid, every add is split everywhere and cleavei s directional

especially on crown

of cosmos

[slow saddle]

Opposite in prog its good 2 kill adds fast in a way that cost little st

[umbral badger]

what i meant is "if padding comes at a steep cost to ST'

but yes

you are corrrect

any free add dmg is huge in prog

[slow saddle]

But thane does it better

Just clsp

[umbral badger]

yea i am learning thane ofr that reason

[slow saddle]

Fury thane feels good

[graceful sun]

Agree

[slow saddle]

Cds feels lilke cds

[umbral badger]

i just don't like how both fury specs are good in both M+ and raid

and both in aoe and ST

[weak rain]

Slurry is w/e

[slow saddle]

I mean thane is better

[umbral badger]

i would rather Col in raid cuz it's mroe fun

[weak rain]

Thane is good

[slow saddle]

By a mile

[umbral badger]

yes yes but you get my point

[slow saddle]

In heavy aoe

[umbral badger]

i want colossus to be as viable on every situation as fury specs always e3nd up being

[slow saddle]

Slayer is light cleave

Actually i think fury hit the mark😅

I want for col

[umbral badger]

like you know, make it so that colossus is 20% behind top dps specs on ST not 50% behind xd

[weak rain]

Colo needs some talent that buffs execute too(thane has one for some reason)

[slow saddle]

2/3% less st morre mass aoe

[umbral badger]

i still look at saladar where top colossus warrior needs 70% mroe dmg to reach top dk

on saladar

[slow saddle]

🤣

[umbral badger]

it's fking dumb

and painful to see

[spring vale]

Ok but udk is kind of ridiculous lol

[slow saddle]

To reach dk heights we need a 20/25% aura bufd

[weak rain]

it's ok, colossus is gonna be meta for every situation after 12.0.5

[slow saddle]

To hit rest 15%

[weak rain]

(gonna need 20% aurabuff tho)

[umbral badger]

and even then, only slayer arms will reach dk. and colossus will still be below average

lol

[weak rain]

slayer arms is dead in 12.0.5

[slow saddle]

🤣

[weak rain]

it loses 10% st

[slow saddle]

Tbh though

If col has 20% less st then uh

Its in a good state m+

Prob now its more🤣

[umbral badger]

i mean they could shift dmg from cleave to demo for example

and mortal

cuz we use mortal in aoe anyway

[weak rain]

I'd rather have them do something to execute in colossus

it feels so shit in colo

[slow saddle]

I mean

[weak rain]

Thane execute still feels great

[slow saddle]

It does indeed

[umbral badger]

i reached a point where i realized i don't mind if colossus lost the execute identity completely

[weak rain]

nah, arms is bleed plus execute identity spec

[umbral badger]

just give me heavier mortal bonks and demo bonks

[thorn stream]

and you think they wont compensate for reap loss in ST ?

[slow saddle]

Ofc not

[weak rain]

they prob will, but that thing will put colo and slayer at the same level

[tight wing]

I do not

[slow saddle]

Or well 10 weeks later

[umbral badger]

like you know, make demo crit for 400k+ on main target xd

[thorn stream]

damn

[untold pewter]

Personally I'd not care if Col didn't have Execute either as long as we still have good ST regardless

[spring vale]

12.0.7 will be the compensation patch

[umbral badger]

yup, that's my point. my priorities is to not be almost 50% behind in ST dps

compared to dk

[weak rain]

I mean, they could shif "execute" thing into MS new talent for col oor smth, that MS hits harder the lower target is, like vicious contempt for furry

[umbral badger]

that would be nice

[thorn stream]

that would mean GIGA MS with ep stacks

[umbral badger]

i think he means removing EP anyway and just make it an inherit bonus ot MS

[thorn stream]

[umbral badger]

not the same %

but some % based on missing health

[thorn stream]

ep wont get removed

[umbral badger]

yea but as an idea it is actually nice

[weak rain]

ep should also be swapped with fatal mark in the tree btw

[umbral badger]

if Mortal does 1% more dmg per 1% life missing below 35% for example

ofc even if mortal strike does 35% more dmg at all times it still won't be enough to fix Col ST xd

[thorn stream]

btw do we have %s for the buffs coming next reset?

[weak rain]

Need to make execute relevant for colo, that's it

either let it stack col might again, or tie something to it

[thorn stream]

speaking of col might - please increase the buff duration for the love of god

[thorn field]

dont u love it whenplotzlicher Tod procs

mr tod gives u a freebie :P

[umbral badger]

to be fair i thought they should do this, it won't be a very big deal cuz sudden death is giga rarer but at least it helps recover some of the lost CD of demo

[ocean marlin]

u guys love the german words ahaha

[latent moss]

need to make exe pressable without 2x ct

and skyfury

[slow saddle]

This

[umbral badger]

or stop adding 9000 years RP every dungeon xd

[slow saddle]

Exe should be 30 rage static, remove all talents that helps its rage

[umbral badger]

i have yet to see a m+ player wanting RP in m+ xd

[slow saddle]

And give us more rage

• lett op give us rage

[plucky fern]

yeah true, rp is really annoying

[slow saddle]

For the love of all holy, let op be a builder

[umbral badger]

yes, RP is literally the biggest ST nerf for Col in m+ lol

[plucky fern]

im so pissed every time i run academy
You lose stacks on half bosses because rp
you lose stacks on some packs of trash after bosses because you have to run a lot

pain in the ass

[umbral badger]

RP is fine in normal and HC dungeons and even in m0

after that, no more RP

RP on repeat is just annoyance, even IRL repeating the same song / anything for hundreds of times becomes annoying let a lone in a game lol

[spring vale]

Throwback to the RP in dawn of the infinites back in DF lol

[vast helm]

sks sks sks

[spring vale]

RP long enough to go take a shit

[thick kelp]

Time to give up on the colossus dream @latent moss

[slow saddle]

We dont have bleeds anymore though

From 100% to 15%

[plucky fern]

make bleeds great again

[umbral badger]

we have like 1 bleed and a bleed-wanna be now

rend sucks ass

[flat willow]

5 minutes of role-playing at the end of hall of valors

Cuz the dungeon wasn't long enough

[slow saddle]

Dw // mortal wounds feels more like a mortal combo wcho

[spring vale]

Rend ticks should give small rage :)

[umbral badger]

i swear if rend did not give us a lot of r age i'd not even care if i clicked it or not , yes it's a dps gain but i'd be like "fk this ability"

[latent moss]

wait what

[slow saddle]

Lettin rend or somethin give rage would.be nice

[latent moss]

they do?

look bloodsurge

[umbral badger]

it already does, just not that much on ST SADLY

[spring vale]

More

[umbral badger]

rend rage regen is great in AoE and sucks hard on ST

[slow vault]

Im thinking to level my warr and play arms to mainly blast 10-12 keys.. is it much fun?

[umbral badger]

and rend dmg sucks hard on both

[slow saddle]

This

[slow saddle]

Yes

[umbral badger]

what a wonderful bleed that does almost nothing except for rage regen

[slow saddle]

Slayer arms

[slow saddle]

But lets say in st it gave more ragr

So now its somethin imporrant to keep up

Me like

[umbral badger]

warrior is always fun, and at least colossus is giga competitive in m+ now

[slow saddle]

Slayer is fun in keys

[umbral badger]

while i do agree, i sstill rather see it do some damage again xd

or b oth

[slow saddle]

Nah

Rend does what it should fine

[umbral badger]

does it ? zero deeps sucks >.<

[slow saddle]

A small skill expression

Its not zero

Esp in aoe

Where it also carries rage gain

[plucky fern]

its like 5% overall damage

[slow saddle]

Thats decent

[umbral badger]

it's less

that's on saladar by noblewinter

[slow saddle]

Then uptime is bad

Thats st

[umbral badger]

and trust me, noblewinter is one of the best colossus warriors there is

[plucky fern]

decent but i wouldnt mind it doing twice that much
redistribute some power from cleave to bleeds
more healthy damage breakdown

• more relevance on 'gigapulls'

[spring vale]

Thats still worth the button press imo

[umbral badger]

yes it's sad that it is only 3%-4% ST

should be more

7% is where it should be imo

like it used to be

[slow saddle]

I mean

[umbral badger]

#makerendgreatAGAIN

[slow saddle]

Collosus lost 100% rend dmg

So no wonder its bad now

Or well 85%

[umbral badger]

if you compare to previous season

rend was 10% of our dmg

so it actually is doing 1/3 of what it did

[slow saddle]

I just want mortal combo

[cedar frigate]

anyone here who knows if we get another passive danwlight manaflux next week?

[umbral badger]

yes we do

[slow saddle]

10 to 3.8

[slow saddle]

Is 2.5

[cedar frigate]

then im saved, ty for info

[umbral badger]

yea yea i am not being precise here just saying it's a huge amount :p

[umbral badger]

you welcome, and once you get your 4 set you get them a lot more without limit

[slow saddle]

As i said last tiee gave rend 100% higher power

[spring vale]

Someone mentioned it a couple days ago but a crit rate trait for having rend on target would be huge

Doesnt have to be huge

[slow saddle]

Good old 10%

[umbral badger]

yup, and make colossus bleed hero talent more than 3% , heck should be like 10% to make colossus do some respectful ST lol

[slow saddle]

Nah fam

[thick kelp]

we already got impale

[slow saddle]

Just buff ms 30%

[thick kelp]

They stole it from rend

[thorn stream]

i couldnt care less about rend

[slow saddle]

Ms needs big buff

[umbral badger]

sadly while i agree, i don't think they will do MS buff again

[thick kelp]

MS is already a majority of our damage

[slow saddle]

When i have 2 ep stacks up that ms better hit so hard boss gets stundd

[thick kelp]

why yall want more MS buffs

[slow saddle]

Becoz cleave aoe =60%

[umbral badger]

i said it, the solution is actually easy for colossus fix imo now , retain the cleave 10% nerf so that slayer is not hurt, remove cleave from colossus practiced strike, then buff practiced strike to 40% or 50% "so basically 40% to 50% slam and mortal strike dmg, no cleave"

[slow saddle]

So in st let my ms be 40€

%

[umbral badger]

cuz removing cleave from practiced strike will give a big room for ST buff for Colossus

[slow saddle]

In all honesty

[latent moss]

bro

[slow saddle]

Temu rend

[latent moss]

wdym give up on colo

[thick kelp]

idk

4fun ig

[slow saddle]

I had this dream

[thick kelp]

ragebait etc.

[slow saddle]

Col was better st spec

Just 1 raid tier

[latent moss]

ig bro

[umbral badger]

probably cuz sometimes it hits like a wet noodle and from my PoV, cuz colossus MS has much less overall dmg than slayer "pprimarily because of unhinged" but that should not be a thing

colossus should do much more overall MS dmg imo

[slow saddle]

I mean unhinged 100% should be on rav

And bladestorm should just fuck

Like it aint hard

[umbral badger]

and for ppl who would say "it's dmg per rage", remember unhinged is free rage :p

[latent moss]

give us devourer apex

ms always crits

[spring vale]

Mm has that too but even better

[slow saddle]

Then crit% has no value?

[spring vale]

Aimed shot always crits and has extra damage from crit rate

[slow saddle]

Unless we get that

100% crit crit chance converted 2 crit dmg

[umbral badger]

now you guys are cooking too hard xd

[slow saddle]

But y unhinged on rav

Like which spec is the mortal striks spec

It aint slayer

[umbral badger]

what we want is suggestion posts with practical ideas :p for me the practiced strikes idea of removing cleave then buffing the % by a lot is the best way to balance olossus atm

because if you buff practiced sttrike to 40% for example slam will feel better than cleave to use on ST and mortal will do mroe dmg for colossus

[latent moss]

crit chance is turned to crit damage

like on their apex

[slow saddle]

Ok

Im simple

Give me reck when i press wb

Also remove the 4 cleaves in a row talent

Its just depraved

And makes the col dmg less fun

[thick kelp]

remvoe tactical edge

piss

[hot current]

remove like 7 cleae talents so we can actually have some good st talents while doing aoe

[shadow ibex]

Filler shit

Iftk died for this

[slow saddle]

Fam we dont loose that much st

[thick kelp]

warming up huh

calling out tactical edge

[hot current]

it feels so bad to take 7 aoe talents while doing low st

[slow saddle]

We just dont have st to spare

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

[thick kelp]

7? its 9

[slow saddle]

Consequense of no st

[hot current]

yup, but hopefully blizzard sees this and buffs it?

[slow saddle]

Tell me which talents we loose that cost all this st

[plucky fern]

its not even aoe talents are the problem
the real problem is that theres literally NO good st talents available
even if we'd want to give up some aoe for st, we just dont have it

[shadow ibex]

How much caffeine you on

[plucky fern]

every 'st' talent in tree is like less than 1% st dps

pathetic

[slow saddle]

Well dreadnaught

😆

But its both

Jokin

[thick kelp]

2 monsters and like 4-5 cups of black coffee

[slow saddle]

Hb of 140?

[thick kelp]

waat the fuck is hb of 140

ah heartbeat

let me test, we have machine for tha in the office

[shadow ibex]

Surely some aoe talents die

Like ravager

[thick kelp]

Hopefully with 0.5

and the way they r moving reap to be an AOE tool

[plucky fern]

ravager should already become a passive

like in prot

[thick kelp]

real

[slow saddle]

Heartbeat?

[shy dew]

ravager was goat in previous expansions, beyond buff had damage

[thick kelp]

76

just tested

[shadow ibex]

When is bs

[shy dew]

now damage is dogshit

[slow saddle]

My mans using caffeine and taurin 2 stay alive🤣

[thick kelp]

well ofc

drinking monster for the taste

shame that viking berry is not sugar free

[shadow ibex]

Meh I've only enjoyed ravager when prot got it passive

[thick kelp]

would be goated

[slow saddle]

I mean rav should be auto with avatar

[thick kelp]

rav on cs u mean

[latent moss]

on GOD

[shadow ibex]

Always been just another aoe global

[thick kelp]

we dont want Avatar on arms

[slow saddle]

I mean we are stuck with it

[shadow ibex]

Yall outta pocket

[slow saddle]

Ideally we get recklessness instead

[latent moss]

replace rav with cs damage increased by 500%

[shadow ibex]

Im too old

[slow saddle]

Fitd arms better

[latent moss]

@thick kelp icl that would be sick

imagine if every cs was nuclear for colo

[slow saddle]

25% crit chance and more rage

[latent moss]

if it did like demo level dmg

[thick kelp]

Still waiting for nuclear CS windows

Woould be the arms dream (mop design)

[slow saddle]

Is arms heaven

[plucky fern]

avatar is fine, having just one cooldown button would be kinda boring
but avatar needs update
current version is just cringe
bring back torments

[shadow ibex]

Torments were cool

And I hate most shit

[slow saddle]

I mean hear me out just give us recklessness

[thick kelp]

I mean withouth avatar it would be CS+BS/Demo

still 2 buttons

[slow saddle]

Crit and rage gain

[thick kelp]

Like you could macro avatar into CS and untrack it

[plucky fern]

nah reck is not much better, not without fury hero talents at least

[thick kelp]

and you wouldnt notice it

[plucky fern]

but you know what everyone would love instead of avatar?
thunderous fucking roar

[slow saddle]

I feel rage gain

And crit chance

[shadow ibex]

Atp I think they have it cuz its flashy

[latent moss]

also i think they should remove cleave. like with sd reap they could do if ms is cleaving with ss make it a frontal that does full dmg to primary target

[umbral badger]

i would say, reck is gonna be better for colossus arms than current avatar :p

[latent moss]

and add heavy handed for exe

[slow saddle]

Exactly

[shadow ibex]

Only way you will get nuke cs

[slow saddle]

Besides 1 torment was reck🤣

[thick kelp]

Cleave baseline etc

[plucky fern]

if you think reck would fix rage problems you are mistaken, you will still be rage starved 80% of time when reck is not up

[latent moss]

nah just remove it imo

[thick kelp]

ww removed from proccing reap on ptr notes

[umbral badger]

i never said that, i just said it's better than avatar xd

[shadow ibex]

Wow

[slow saddle]

Same

[plucky fern]

why its better than
Its just 'have more damage multipliers for 20 seconds'
same stuff literally

[shadow ibex]

Cleave base inc I can see thst

[slow saddle]

I mean ideally reck on cs

[latent moss]

that shouldve happened ages ago

cleave not being baseline is xd

[slow saddle]

So every cs // wb u get angrier

[latent moss]

9 aoe talents

[shadow ibex]

Idk what it fixes tho

[thick kelp]

Just simmed

[umbral badger]

to begin with you guys think rage solutions will come through roundabout ways, rage solution for arms colossus is fking simple, make execute rage cost at 20, and slayer can increase that rage cost to 40 to increase it's dmg in their own hero talent why would colossus care.

[plucky fern]

why does cleave even exists
whirlwind is just a better baseline button
why cant all those modifiers and talents affect ww

[thick kelp]

Avatar mcrod to CS vs using avatar on CD on colossus in St

[latent moss]

hoooly

big difference

[slow saddle]

I mean doesnt help

[thick kelp]

200 dps to untrack avatar?

sign me up

[slow saddle]

As col rage issues are all the time

Let op give rage

[umbral badger]

it does, because execute taking anything above 20 rage is just a dps loss, we only care ofr it for EP atm

[latent moss]

idk why they remove rage gen from avatar

[plucky fern]

i've removed avatar from cs macro because i found that there are some situations i would send a CS but not avatar in keys
Like lets say you are finishing the boss it has like 5%, cs will be ready for next pull but avatar wont

[slow saddle]

Let exe give 100% reset chance for op

[daring heron]

does arms bladestorm count as RP

[latent moss]

ye

[slow saddle]

Ye

[umbral badger]

100% xd

hahaahaha

[latent moss]

u can feel it on opener if u dont pool while tank is gathering

u can legit send everything and not have rage to cleave

[umbral badger]

go stream let us have some side show to watch @daring heron

lol

[slow saddle]

Gives me a lot of time 2 reflect on lifw

[umbral badger]

we are all doing nothing here

[daring heron]

work

[umbral badger]

hahaha

i am taking a break from m+ spam lol

[slow saddle]

I hate nexus point

Every1. But me gettin ring

Every run

[old glacier]

It feels so bad. Charge in CS, MB, NO RAGE.

[slow saddle]

What if in cs windows shit cost 50% eage?😆

[umbral badger]

nexus point is amazing, you go left from start cuz that's the only thing that can rip your key, so you can tell early if the key rips or not 🤣 unlike some dungoens where you reach the last boss to realize your grp knows nothing at +14

[slow saddle]

Cosmetic rage inc

[slow saddle]

Random lightning circle that stuns

[plucky fern]

nexus prison

[slow saddle]

Yay

[slow saddle]

This

[old glacier]

Skyreach first boss. Ultimate gatekeeper.

[umbral badger]

i am telling you, i'd t ake a dungeon where the fail can happen first min rather than last min lol

[slow saddle]

I mean the 360 glaive that hits u when u behind him

[umbral badger]

like why do you all think i needed a break 🤣 was doing pit of saron 12 "for loot not to push" but i still like ot finish on time, and the entire dungeon went smoothly until we reached last boss. took us 5 wipes for our shaman to understand what "smoking pile, glowing piles, stinky piles" mean

instead of being 5min-10mins early to finish we ended up taking 10 mins overtime

[plucky fern]

luckily i got released from this prison yesterday

[umbral badger]

but it's fine i got the neck as reward 😄

[thick kelp]

Yoked

[eager sigil]

upgrading rings

💀

[plucky fern]

yeah dumb decision i know

[slow saddle]

Coz he can

[umbral badger]

damn, any feedback on how much does those rings do "proc" dmg overall

[plucky fern]

i just really wanted to

[plucky fern]

like 0.5% overall damage

[umbral badger]

ok not gonna jail my self for that i guess

🤣

[flat willow]

alright but how much in single target

[thorn stream]

why cant both have crit on em

[umbral badger]

i'd rather do MGT all day to get the 3 pieces i need from there

[flat willow]

to pretend you are doing single target damage when you can't funnel

[slow saddle]

0.5 is good man

[umbral badger]

it's fine honestly, DR gets high anyway for stats and you end up needing others anyway

[thorn stream]

not there yet tho

[umbral badger]

it is really good, but it is changable easily with myth track so i'd only aim for the bonus if it's is in vault.

[willow lance]

Will Avatar always be up for smash or no

[umbral badger]

ofc, you should never desync your avatar and CS

[rapid bronze]

tomorrow on vorazius

https://klipy.com/gifs/armswarrior-warriorwow

[plucky fern]

not sure about pure st numbers for those rings need to test more, i'd assume its still less than 1%

[umbral badger]

nice to see all those arms warriors playing on vaelgor and ezzorak

[latent moss]

somewhere around 1%

bit lower

like 0.8

[umbral badger]

still really good to know, might be worth picking up in vault.

as myth track rings

[plucky fern]

well its still huge
most of our 'single target' talents in tree give less

[umbral badger]

damn arms warriors almost don't exist in mythic boss kills yet

sadge

i blame critcakes for all our nerfs

[plucky fern]

btw
is it my scuffed stats or is chimaerus trinket not that good on arms?
sim tells me that my 263 champion trinkets are both better than gaze of alnseer
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ohkEyZR3tneLG5aKt2gSyQ

[thick kelp]

its not that great

ilvl carries it

[fair gust]

its better on fury than arms

[latent moss]

ye idk its barely better than solarflare on same ilvl for me

like 0.2

[fair gust]

And crucible sims quite high

[latent moss]

loses very hard to heart and plume

[thick kelp]

Make sure you have all crucible upgrades

[plucky fern]

crucible sims better than any other 266 trinket from raid or m+

[latent moss]

xdd

[umbral badger]

well, in the champion track, i am using for colossus m+

syncs with avatar

[plucky fern]

hm

is that a lot of pvp grind to get it?

[umbral badger]

nah

[latent moss]

guidon is tech for colo

[plucky fern]

havent played pvp since like bfa

[latent moss]

from first boss btw

macro it to ravager and gg

[umbral badger]

maybe 2 hours to get it

[thick kelp]

gg

[latent moss]

btw i had it in my first vault

but i took socket

[plucky fern]

what do you even need to do
just spam bg for conquest?

[latent moss]

cause i thoguht it was shit and didnt sim

[umbral badger]

on use pvp trinke for colossus is giga nice and for some boss fights even

[latent moss]

turns out its peak trinket for m+

[umbral badger]

one way is to just take the pvp quests all over and do them

[latent moss]

i saw 1:30 and was like not a single dps warrior is 1:30

forgot about rav

didnt sim it

gg

[thick kelp]

gg

[umbral badger]

i mean i do see why would you use it for ravager, but i still prefer the pvp trinket tbh

[plucky fern]

im having shadowlands flashbacks, i had to do arena to get a pvp trinket for my ele shaman because it was the best passive proc trinket at that time

[umbral badger]

cuz pvp trinket is also better for ST

i mean you "don't have to get it" it's just nice for m+ as colossus until you get some good hero track trinket

or mythc track

it just feels nice it always lines up with avatar and it has crit base stats

[plucky fern]

it looks like something that will be pretty good for m+
and im mostly playing that

theres no onuse trinkets in season except for puzzlebox

and fuck that item

i aint equipping that again

[umbral badger]

fk puzzlebox

i hate it too

don't care how good a trinket is, if i hate it xd

to be fair though, i'd use a giga good trinket even if i hate it xd but puzzlebox is not that level of good

[plucky fern]

yeah, thank god its not that good this season

[umbral badger]

watching biz on the side, to feed of his energy while i go back to my m+ spam

[plucky fern]

there must be a myth version of this trinket right?

how do you get that

is that also vault only

or how are things for pvp gear right now

[umbral badger]

just go to the pvp quadrant in the city and you will find a pvp npc quest giver there

one of hte quests for example is to complete 12 rounds of soloshuffle, whichi s not even to win them, just complete them.

[plucky fern]

yeah yeah i found that
im interestred in how you get higher item lvl of this trinket

like hero of myth track

[umbral badger]

by the end of the 12 rounds you will be at maybe 300-350 conq

i don't think you can get myth t rack pvp gear

or even hero

would be nice though

i'd grind a week to get a trinket like ti at myth track lol

[plucky fern]

sadge, probably not worth it then

[umbral badger]

i will probably keep using it until myth track trinkets personally

for m+

it does much more than it sims

[plucky fern]

i simmed for st and for 8 targets its worse in both cases

but maybe you right

sim probably doesnt pair it with avatar

[umbral badger]

the way it works is that you get it's dmg during burst, then during downtime "gathering/pulling" it is reseting it's cd

so you can sim it's dps in a 40 sec burst 10 targets pull

for example

or 20

[plucky fern]

good idea

[umbral badger]

if you sim for 5 Mins you are techincally simming an unrealistic scenario for m+

no pull is longer than 1 min unless grp dps is dead

biz is casually at 220k overall dps in his current pit run

@plucky fern that's the sims for example, all my trinkets are cham ptrack

but my char is very high on crit so crit is less useful for me

if anyting i need vers

[gentle gyro]

38% is so nuts

[plucky fern]

yeah with my gear the only scenario when pvp trinked simmed better was 40 seconds

i have like 27% crit unbuffed

1 min already worse

[wet current]

so i noticed a lot of people are either heavily focused on single target in raids or they are looking at archonn and not sorting based on dps for guaging how well arms is doing. our aoe numbers in m+ are through the roof. I legit am worried we're going to get an aoe nerf after they buff our single target tuesday. I hope they find a way to balance this without pushing us further into nerf territory

[latent moss]

how much for that trinket

like time

the pvp crit one

probably worth farming for me

cause unless i get heart or gaze or guidon from vault i dont have trinkets

[umbral badger]

maybe 1-2 hours if you do the quests primarily ?

do the 12 solo/shuffle quest and see what you got after

[umbral badger]

techincally i sim it at 20 usually not 40

cuz no packs last much longer at 12+-15 +

the lower the key the better it is imo

lost power mid m+, returned 5 mins later and found the guys still fighting but htey don't wanna invite me back lol

whatever

got auto tped out

[hardy hill]

Hey, I have a question fellas, for raidbots sims, i have always used the patchwerk option I only play m+, should i use dungeon slice?

a friend told me about that option today and i dont know whats better

[wet current]

may not be 100% accurate, but for me patchwerk for single target boss sims. dungeon slice for M+

[hardy hill]

Okayy

i have been simulating the wrong way xDD

[wet current]

patchwork was a raid boss who was notoriously tank and spank single target.

[hardy hill]

okayyy

Thank you very much my friend

Didnt know about that

[wet current]

np! happy executing

[hardy hill]

yeah, lets continue the pumping

[umbral badger]

guys what's the addon that stops lua error from exploding my head midfight

[plucky fern]

bugsack

[lunar acorn]

whats the addon that gives me more rage generation

wow classic rage generation

[umbral badger]

ty ty midnight have been a shitshow with how addons require updating every 3 seconds

[high tulip]

Is there any way/addon to track the swing timer?

[plucky fern]

theres an ingame feature for that its called respec fury

[modern cove]

Hi. Will slayer be the best hero spec after buffs (in raid)? Or we will play colossus at least in council?

[lunar acorn]

thats a neat feature holy

[latent moss]

colo always on paladins

[lunar acorn]

any tips to maximize damage on the paladins as colo i play fury 99% of the time

[modern cove]

Spam cleave

[lunar acorn]

i am not supposed to spam cleave when one of the paladins is njot in the group right ?

isnt it only good on 3 targets

[olive nest]

You play the single target rotation with sweep active when one of them is channeling off in the distance

And then you switch to the cleave spam prio when all 3 are near

[lunar acorn]

and delay avatar, cs and demolish until they are grouped up again i guess ?

[latent moss]

u also want to send cleave with 3 stacks of collat

if u dont have ms or hs or op

[olive nest]

I didn’t get a rank 1 but when I killed it on heroic I just sent cs and demo on cooldown and held Ava for all 3

I’m sure there is a optimal way to play it though I just killed it once as Colo arms and feely crafted

You really don’t want to hold buttons ever because of losing CDR value so the play might be to just full send on cooldown and play the two prios based on target count 2/3

And mythic is probably different all together 😆

[finite nacelle]

I'm having fun with arms now

I never have to think about fury ever again.

I can go back go having brain cells

[shut token]

Has anyone else experienced the problem of the mortal strike macro failing sometimes when phasing into dungeons or arenas? It works again if I relog but can you put anything into it to make it not fail? I use this macro: #showtooltip
/use [known:Heroic Strike] Heroic Strike; Overpower

[stuck yacht]

arms after tunning better for m+?

[fervent cedar]

Fury likely still better but arms is very solid
Crazy aoe dam
Poor st

[olive nest]

Arms still doesn’t do that great of boss damage but I think the constant large aoe more than makes up for it

[tacit crystal]

its good if you can pull funnel onto bosses as well

[olive nest]

I’ve almost exclusively been playing arms except day 1 and it’s doing quite well in the 13s 14s and 15s I’ve been running

And that too, when you have 2+ adds ontop of the boss you’re ST damage to the boss doubles

People always sleep on the arms chad spec

[fervent cedar]

This is my first season properly giving arms a try and playing it and im actually having a ton of fun

Fury boring af rn

[lunar acorn]

hm okay i can give it a shot if you all glazing it so hard. what about low keys like 10s with randoms no massive pulls its still doing better than fury ?

[olive nest]

It shines most with big pulls of course just like any spec but it’ll do fine anytime there is 3+ targets

[umbral badger]

guys, number of arms warriors in mythic raid kills is funny and sad at the smae time 🤣

some 60ish arms warriors compared to thousends of fury warriors 🤣

[sharp wyvern]

they are doing gods work
without them blizz wouldnt have any data to tune arms

[latent moss]

huge ahh screenshot

[umbral badger]

lol

i used ot be one of htem, i gave up lol.

[sharp wyvern]

we needed dmg so i couldnt troll with arms

man even with paladins arms still low af on boss dmg

what happened ?

[eager sigil]

bad spec

and all good players are on fury

[modern cove]

raidbots is simming with tomorrow's buff?

[umbral badger]

probably outscaled, eventually you'd need mortal strike, slams and bleeds to do more dmg for colossus to scale.

and i ma not hopeful

[pulsar berry]

i literally sim higher in patchwerk with mountain thane aoe fury than i do with st slayer arms

[dire hinge]

no, it mirrors what is currently live

[modern cove]

So the difference will be pretty minor tomorrow

cause today is like that

patchwerk 5 min (fury is thane single target build, arms is slayer single target build)

[dire hinge]

yeah it's only like 3% in single target or something

even less in M+

[modern cove]

yeah, i always go prot in M+ so if works in raid im good

[languid torrent]

we using execute in colossus after buff?

[olive nest]

I only press it with sudden death to avoid rage starving tbh

[finite nacelle]

six days till what

[languid torrent]

well the buff landing tomorrow

[nova marsh]

Hey guys random question

Are we suppose to have 4 or 5 sparks?

[languid torrent]

5

4 for wep, 5th in bag, tomorrow 6th

[sharp wyvern]

last boss seat as slayer

[maiden dirge]

hello there is there any addon for spell reflect wa ?

[remote socket]

is arms or fury doing better atm?

[nova marsh]

Fury

Fury is actually gaming hardcore

[remote socket]

really?

[nova marsh]

Yup

Also it's more popular as per usual

[remote socket]

is it a big marigin between the two?

[modern cove]

no more, its a small margin after tomorrow

[leaden parcel]

Doesn’t Arms do more in keys?

[latent moss]

in raid fury is better

in m+ arms

[rose ibex]

Do we get another crucible charge tomorrow?

[bitter kestrel]

Fury single target slayer is going to show a higher difference between arms

[modern cove]

yeah, but i usually play fury thane because every fight have a lot of adds

[median crag]

Warrior spin machine (战士旋转机器). become ceiling fan of violence (变成暴力吊扇). trash pack see bladestorm and write goodbye letter (小怪看见剑刃风暴就开始写告别信).

[tiny sable]

thats actually so funny

[bitter kestrel]

How much lower was the trash dmg compared to running colossus

[tiny sable]

love me myself some chinese wow pastas

[rose ibex]

That's beautiful

[solar nymph]

what key lvl?

[sharp wyvern]

13

was just trying out if slayer is worth a try

[solar nymph]

hmm might give it a go in 16

cuz packs too small except the first ones

[rose ibex]

Slayer is good

[solar nymph]

its so boring tho

[rose ibex]

I think its faster

I enjoy it more

[solar nymph]

spin 2 win tho

[sharp wyvern]

first pull with BL capped out at around 380k colossus would have hit at least 450k

[solar nymph]

seems about right

[rose ibex]

The spin is chill and helps in times where you need a little more range without standing in floor death

[sharp wyvern]

116k overall kinda meh

[rose ibex]

I like the sudden death procs and stuff too

[sharp wyvern]

i did use puzzlebox even tho i should have used the crucible thing

[rose ibex]

Slayer is definitely more reliant on rng than colossus :/

[sharp wyvern]

having 2 stacks of SD and then just 2 guarateed reap procs is the best feeling arms has rn

[bitter kestrel]

Guessing after tomorrow it's going to skew more towards using Slayer w/ the execute buffs

[rose ibex]

It might help close the gaps

Your single target will definitely be better as it already is

[solar nymph]

maybe we'll get one or 2keys slayr bis and rest colossus which would be nice

[sharp wyvern]

ST was pretty good

and alot more fun imo

[rose ibex]

Good for arms anyways

[solar nymph]

the 2nd boss as colossus tho

huehue

[rose ibex]

Im just looking forward to execute being more worth to press

[sharp wyvern]

huh?

[rose ibex]

Overpower buff is nice too

[sharp wyvern]

its already insane with the reap procs

[solar nymph]

yeah, currently i skip most of the procs cause OP>exec

[sharp wyvern]

oh on colossus

[rose ibex]

Yeah

Its bad for colossus

The reap procs are what make slayer fun

[sharp wyvern]

it helps so much outside of CDs

[rose ibex]

Colossus feels more measured. The combo is more consistent and comes back more consistently

Buff combo*

The cleave combo also hits harder

Slayer tends to rotate through their burst cooldowns more frequently with the sudden death procs. A lot of your aoe damage ends up being from reap which makes it even more rng dependent. I finding dungeon damage at the end is usually about the same but you put out bigger bursts with the damage buffs from colossus overlapping w/ demolish of course

[sharp wyvern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2DHQEjELQBjM3iHHNBErCo

is this real

why does it want me to use the rep trinket

[rose ibex]

It might be overtuned in sims

It got nerfed before expansion release i think

[sharp wyvern]

i dont mind it its just sus

[olive nest]

It’s a good trinket

[sharp wyvern]

any excuse to not use puzzlebox

just weird that the rep trinket is crazy

[languid torrent]

also pretty sure i saw someone say dslice isnt being supported right now

[sharp wyvern]

but even on other things its better

[languid torrent]

if you have all 3 buffs from the rep trinket it sims well. but idk if the sims reflect how it just doesnt work on a bunch of abilities

[sharp wyvern]

its been proccing rather frequently

they might have fixed it

ill take it
no puzzlebox

[languid torrent]

maybe they did. i know it was super busted when xpac dropped, then they nerfed it which bricked a ton of abilites proccing it. so maybe they have fixed it. who knows

yea no matter how well puzzlebox sims i wont use it

fuck that shit man. i used it on three toons back in DF

shit blows

[minor gust]

Join the right side of slayer in all content!

[rose ibex]

Slayer forever

[rose ibex]

I will always be a puzzlebox hater

[sharp wyvern]

based

[broken sequoia]

trying to figure out arms, is heroic strike = slam? Or is it a separate keybind

[rose ibex]

Hate it and it stinks

[sharp wyvern]

i still have to use it in raid for fury

[rose ibex]

There are few on use trinkets I actually like especially with our wonky cooldown reductions just desyncing everything

[sharp wyvern]

i dont understand how people are hunting for it
i prayed that it wouldnt drop for me

[rose ibex]

It only shows up if you hate it

I hate it so much, the last dragon hogworts I did it dropped twice

Stupid warband puzzle box

[spring vale]

Best way to play is 2 proc trinkets

Fuck on use trinkets

[rose ibex]

Agreed

Yes

[sharp wyvern]

when it dropped for me no one even asked if i need it

[rose ibex]

This cat knows the way

[remote socket]

people still use dslice?

[sharp wyvern]

i like on use trinkets when they dont have a cast time

[spring vale]

I do miss the pocket anvil from
Aberrus

[rose ibex]

Better to disenchant it on the spot

Destroy it

Cast it into the fire

[sharp wyvern]

and then wipe on 0.0% on a prog boss

[soft dew]

That was a good one

[spring vale]

It was a good on use with a nice proc on it

Man, DF actually had some sick trinkets

[rose ibex]

For world vault, what content you guys think is best?

[sharp wyvern]

but it also had augury

[rose ibex]

We can basically do nightmare prey and t11 delves right?

[bitter kestrel]

Is this build still up to date in terms of using slayer w/ M+ https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/EAOARUUVFVVGZRqQQBENVUVVCZBUWRUF0CFAFFVVVUBA

[soft dew]

3 prey and 5 delves with the quests this week

[thick kelp]

Yes, you can put the deepwounds point somewhere in the 2nd gate

if u want

[rose ibex]

I gotta grind that out tonight. Ugh

Chore night

[soft dew]

Yeah delves suck

[rose ibex]

Do they need to be t11?

[soft dew]

And nightmare prey have some annoying shit

No

One should be for the dungeon quest

Cracked Keystone

If haven't done it already

[rose ibex]

I thought we only had to do 4 delves

[soft dew]

The quest say 5 (weekly)

[rose ibex]

Ugh

[sharp wyvern]

you know what was a cool trinket
the sikran trinket with the different weapon attacks
it was just tuned to be useless

[soft dew]

I mean 3 + 4 isn't 8

[rose ibex]

Oh 8 things

[bitter kestrel]

Hey... we're counting on warriors to do math here... you've come to the wrong place

[bitter kestrel]

Deep wounds isn't worth it w/ slayer?

[thick kelp]

it is but its mostly an ST node

so you can swap it for powerful momentum if u wish more 2+T

[bitter kestrel]

makes sense

[olive nest]

For dungeons like Seat ^^

[bitter kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/numbers-dont-lie-disaster-spell-gif-25561954

[tulip breach]

according to my dummy testing, slayer should be outperforming colossus in m+ for me, anyone else getting this?

[languid torrent]

some dungeons sure

[soft dew]

Slayer is a bit more forgiving to play I'd say

[latent moss]

he was waffling

[languid torrent]

but if you have a tank that pulls big in some of these dungeons ive cleared 150k as col without aug

[latent moss]

i did a few 12s as slayer and colo clears maybe i gotta do 16s as slayer

i dont see slayer doing 200k in pit

[minor gust]

want some higher keys helps slayer out

[magic canopy]

just did one (1) key as arms

and ther is no way yall are living like this

[languid torrent]

i feel like the pit is very much as long as the tank lives some of those pulls are insane

[olive nest]

Oh yes we are!

[latent moss]

pool rage before burst

helps

[olive nest]

[languid torrent]

skill issue bro

[latent moss]

idk i dont see how slayer can compete with wb demo twice a pack

i will try it tho

[minor gust]

I did a 15 pit last night if I didnt die on first pull lust from agro I easily do 190k min

[magic canopy]

i do damage but its like im playing in a pit of sludge

[soft dew]

I mean it's slow compared to fury

[latent moss]

i will try it

in higher keys

i dislike how rng it is but if its better its better

[olive nest]

Oh yeah feels omega slow outside of cds

[latent moss]

its still arms

[minor gust]

Slayer still not gonna beat colo in aoe I wont deny it. but its still doing solid aoe beating most specs while having human boss dmg

[latent moss]

ye it loses on anything above st

colo just skyrockets with 1 or 2 extra targets

[bitter kestrel]

For most mythics would Improved Sweeping be more dmg than Powerful Momentum?

[languid torrent]

NGL, id argue that getting no SD procs in slayer is equivalent to getting bamboo shoved under your fingernails

so just get better rng

[latent moss]

slayer is cool cause you can turn off ur brain

[minor gust]

thankfully slayer benefits from that same funnel

[midnight mural]

Its not that bad man. Just a bit clunky lol.

Some more haste might improve the fluidity?

[latent moss]

its like 10% behind on 3t on prio damage

cause of colossal might

[minor gust]

yee

[magic canopy]

im a little mas heavy but

[latent moss]

did u play colo

[magic canopy]

i didnt think 20% haste would have felt that bad

yeah

[latent moss]

prolly need more crit

crit merchant hero talent

[magic canopy]

the ST damage

[thick kelp]

im abit versa heavy

[midnight mural]

Open spellbool search for "crit". So much shit shows up

[latent moss]

true

[tulip breach]

i'm doing like 25-30% more boss damage on slayer

[fresh spire]

I play keys with 37% crit . Feels fuckingg goooood

[minor gust]

Bro needs some crit

[latent moss]

i lost my big crit cause of nexus point rings

gg

haste mastery 🤮

[fresh spire]

Had it drop 4 times

Never seen mastery one yet

[latent moss]

ye the mastery one never drops

[latent moss]

the question is

is it worth the aoe loss

which is like impossible to calculate until u run a bunch of keys as both

and feel which is better

and it also depends on what ur comp needs

[minor gust]

It's worth for the fun when you wanna turn your brain off

[latent moss]

100% gonna be the go to for pugs

imo

[minor gust]

Yee

[latent moss]

misusing cds as colo hurts a lot more from my experience

[minor gust]

Slayer also just significantly more forgiving to play.

Like genuinely if you struggle with Colo it's just better to play slayer

[latent moss]

yep

[latent moss]

which is prolly a lot of people

fuck ton of minmaxing

[plucky fern]

how can you even struggle with colossus

you literally press all your cooldowns then press cleave

[minor gust]

To be honest I feel like that's also me. I swear when I'm not completely locked in my Colossus damage falls off to the point where just plain Slayer is better

[latent moss]

the amount of people complaining that they have no rage in packs

u just pool while tank is gathering

i sit at 130 on opener

[minor gust]

I just pressed Ms and op. Nothing else and the rest is billed rage

[plucky fern]

i mean those people wont do damage as slayer either
its just dps fundamentals they have to learn

[latent moss]

ye until the mob turns around

[minor gust]

Psssh That's what die by the sword in Shadow meltes for

[sharp goblet]

because ravager is a cooldown, i struggle not to unspec it

[latent moss]

true

[latent moss]

they will do better

[plucky fern]

what are you picking then if not ravager

theres nothing

to pick

[tulip breach]

i mean aoe damage ultimately takes a back seat if you can't meet a boss dps check

[minor gust]

Not necessarily a lot of people struggle with all the frontal requirements, especially in pugs with mediocre tanks. It becomes a point where reap and bladestorm is helping you so much more

[sharp goblet]

i pick ravager and be sad about it 😅

[olive nest]

When to ravager is the trick

[tulip breach]

probably on a big pack

idgi

[polar portal]

Ravager just feels bad to press as arms

[latent moss]

10k dps isnt gonna make a difference

[olive nest]

Ravager is a cleave enabler

[latent moss]

especially if u can pull onto boss

then colo just wins

[tulip breach]

idk what to say to this besides i've been in countless situations where we needed just a bit more damage to make the boss killable and 10k absolutely would have been the difference

[minor gust]

Like 10k diff for ppl playing colo st perfectly probably 20 to 25k difference for the average player

[olive nest]

You can fight these bosses for 5 minutes if you need to lol (hopefully not)

[latent moss]

idk the only dungeon where i wish i had more st is algethar

but that dungeon is genuinely cancer

[untold trench]

Not wrong

[latent moss]

cant wait for crawth and last boss to get shot in the head

[olive nest]

Agree

Final boss is hell

[latent moss]

and packs are mega cancer

after crawth

lik every single pull after crawth is cancer

and annoying

[tulip breach]

i am talking about previous seasons with bosses that had actually shite dps checks

think hakkar in de other side

[latent moss]

ye but i dont think we have such bosses this season

my maisara is still a 10 so idk about maisara

[polar portal]

Just pray that execute and mortal strike will keep getting buffed until the raid cleave build is playable in m+

[latent moss]

but i heard if u dont deplete on first boss its free

ms isnt getting buffed again no way

its already like 30% of colos damage

[polar portal]

Yeah I'm just coping

[minor gust]

Easily the worst dungeon of the season

[sharp goblet]

skyreach last boss technically has a soft enrage

[latent moss]

cant be worse than algethar

[tulip breach]

there's nothing else they can buff that will affect both slayer and col