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This build was pure dopamine, I might have to retire colossus...it's not what it once was during TWW season 2
Reap the proc kinda fun to play when you have 20%+ haste
Crushing combo also feels a lot better to use with Slayer for some reason
Reap cleaves*
arms owns
i enjoy slayer much more, the reaps from cleave into Sd reaps into more cleave reaps 
think my normal went kinda crazy
Reap is also very forgiving when it comes to positioning. Which makes slayer feel more relaxed in keys.
not really
guild decision, not my
Keep dps on a leash
ic
logs are still compared
Gonna be real specific here, Colo is way better for undead arms warrior rp though, your sword feels so weighty, I use sorrowbane so the combat animations look nice with the slow heavy hits that colossus offers, I am really liking Slayer now though, even though it makes my two hander look like a one hander in speed, so I'm kind of at crossroads here lol
Woah haven't seen you in a while
Never been in a guild that private logged so that was always my guess
How's arms goin
A lot better since we're getting some buffs every week
Hell ye
reaal
What's the biggest chunkiest twohander one can use?
I think the biggest two hander is still Armageddon from naxx
Nah I think Ashkandur from Nef in Abberrus wins
Wdyt of futur slayer without reap for st ?
in its current form its a big ST loss but like no point really thinking about numbers as there is some obvious major tuning that will need to be done with these changes.
Hmmm good point. Now I need to compare
Its also sexier then arma
guaranteed Slayers Strikes will just get buffed massively to compensate
Think Ashkandur got the girth while Armageddon is slightly longer
Girth always win 
is the overpower buff also buff dreadnaught ?
I think I like demolish and colossus too much, but I'll play slayer every once in a while if I get Frontal Fatigue™
it usually isnt
my wife
but sometimes the people writing patch notes and the people merging the branches are not the same
it is not
lazy ahh
big fan of the Bar-Fusan's Hackblade 
skinnier but longer and has a little fun wrapping compared to Ashkandur
the things you go through to put illusion on it though
the Timerunner's Greatsword is pretty sick too, but i dont personally have many mogs that go with it
that one?
that purple mythic one though 
Second question is what is the optimal gnome two-hander.🤔
How’d u get that sword?
pretty sure it was from legion timewalking
Ah
this is the lfr one
worst version sorry not sorry
ye might not be the one i was thinking about
xd
this one
this the normal one
thats HC
ig this one is heroic then?
I usually use the normal or mythic versions
silly hc weapon
I want it...
Holy fuck im unbenched for vorasius mystic
still love these ones
uldir ones r so good
I think the word is out. I'm getting plenty of accepts for keys.
yeah I got plenty of invites too after I specced Prot
honestly the one that's a broken elephant's skull i love deeply
I love the mace from uldir too
whenever I pug I got no issue with invites. doesnt usually take longer than 5-10 minutes to find a group
is it just me or is crown of the osmos like insanely messy
Osmosis crown
Yeah I've been having the same. Trying to get my 12 keys done.
I cant type my cup of tea is in the way
yeah, it's a dance and it cascades into chaos pretty swiftly if someone doesn't do it right
come over and drink my tea
👀 what kinda tea you got
it's amazing
pg tips
i'd never heard of it, so admittingly my brain went to "Pro Gamer tips"
understandable
was like, "damn okay, better than me i guess" 😂
goat
heart is yours
ez
are u doing like the sim droptimizer thing
100% im heart prio I only got a normal one under me
well yeah
so officers know who needs what
smth smth
1.3k wr
ya think a lil mythic boss gonn make me play fury
Guild is just based like that?
vanguard feels good until mechanics start as arms
thats how I got heroic one
my asshole is giga clenched from 1:20 onwards
Just play better than other people in the raid and you can do whatever you want
I like vangaurd just for visuals

hmmmm what build you guys think is best for dreamrift?

the visuals very close to oneshot on mythic
i can report
the m+ one
with a lil more boss dam
Damn blizz took a page from ffxiv and like blinding their players
slayer M+ it is
Im struggling to beat our furys on cosmos
But I'm very close
they are playing cleave tho
and Im playing pure st
They will have a much easier time padding in P1 its pretty hard to beat
Just do as much as you can in P1 and blast in P2 and 3
Playing Fury atm but Im thinking about going Arms next week
yup
hmm i think my damage was better with regular slayer raid
my team seems to evaporate the adds
unlucky
nice now go volunteer to go 2nd group and go colo
I just straight up think we dont have enough dps for the last boss
aoe is not the problem it seems
people aren't killing the big guy fast enough
Next Patch should make us machines for m+ again
i've been pumping in m+
once I get 4pc I think i'll be really strong
it's only raid where i feel like I'm not pulling my weight
yeah, I've been having fun in m+ already, only 2pc
same 2pc felt like a good boost
but that patch might solidify our position in m+ a bit more
the buff is minor especially for colo
im happy with our aoe and m+ performance. Don't need top raid dps but I want just a bit more
Nice to get it but wont change too much
Haven't been able to get a good try with slayer in, how is it compared to colossus?
its gonna do less than colo but its the most competitive its ever been with colo
honestly not bad at all
box can suck something grand
@steep osprey wow
Out of left field for sure.
KEKWKEKWKEKWKEKWKEKWKEKWKEKW

Looks like the boss really wants you to "remember" it
Remememememememe
Our ret did 30+ Seat runs for the Gloves and now got the myth Vorasius trinket because he had 2x Champ trinkets
Im losing it
my damage on slayer has been pretty competitive but maybe i'm just bad at colossus haha
Damnit, Ashkandur didn't drop.
Time to boost an alt
i feel like col needs bigger keys
hello warior, I have the impression that heroic strike cast alone am i wrong ???
i'm very interested to see how things change after I get 4pc
Big city cleave, poopoo ST
I keep looking for Arms Warriors while doing groups but they all play fury
Sorrowbane for life!
hmmm
seems arms is back in the game for m+ but ST raid still weaker than fury
10k less for my sims
Arms likes crit/haste so it could be closer with the right secondary stats but I'm not sure
true that
Im pretty haste/mast
shitty trinks 260 ilvl and just 2p also
I want arms to go ahead on ST so bad
fury bores me
only fun on aoe
we ballin
we still need big ST buff
i dont think tuesday buff will be enough
its like 1.2% more dmg in keys
The 5% difference in 2set buff is so discouraging from fury to arms
discouraging ? the arms one is way stronger
Am I blind?
cs gives our other abilities damage
Maybe I was looking at it narrowmindedly
both say 10% to 2 buttons you like to press, arms one just then also says 5% to everything else you do damage with too
during CS ofc for the 10% to MS and Cleave
it makes our burst stronger
increasing dmg by like 3-4% during CS windows
which is the dmg that matters most
I see I see
With this much AoE, nah
If they nerf cleave, sure
I think they meant for the raid build
Raid Is mostly aoe
THIS raid is
They have to tune for that though lol
Well not really
Taking warbreaker debuffed enemies 130% dmg to 135% (not including apex 4/4 for simplicity) is a 3.8% dmg increase, in relative terms, so its not 10% (you cant just add two % numbers like this)
The banger is with 4set extending cs duration
It is a pretty big boss dmg increase. Arms funnel is pretty decent with fob + apex + tier.
That's funnel not pad
Being able to hit 3+ targets on a boss fight giga increases CS uptime + you got 50% increase slams/HS from fob
It ends up being a pretty big gain
Yeah I enjoy it sadly 12.05 we losing SD reap which is gonna hurt our aoe even more. There are many times you get 2-3 back to back SD procs even after pressing it you get another! Playstyle feels good idk why they want to change it just tune the damage !
That's not happening
We're retaining our SD AoE reap
They're only making it work on AoE though
I still like colossus more but you almost converted me!
and yeah, slayer changes kinda suck
SD won't proc reap in ST but it will in aoe
That slightly sucks
Did you not see the last ptr changes? We got SD reap back just in aoe which is all that mattered
This makes me feel like I'm online 34/7 lol
Knowing all these things
RIP
It's okay, Puzzle would have dropped in this run
I don't want puzzle
Be glad you didn't get it
Oh no I still saw the old blue post that’s good then
I’ll have to look at post on new one I still have old one I was just doomed and gave up even looking anymore when they added it to PTR
Us? The only us I know is ColossUS
Did they keep the mortal wounds change ?
So slam wont proc it?
Oh they did keep it lol
I thought you said "did they change mortal wounds"
My bad
Slam will proc it
I think that's a good change considering Cleave is already doing obscene damage
Using puzzlebox in M+ is starting to get pretty tiring.😅
This is a good way of helping arms ST damage
So they want us to have no deep wounds in aoe
Bring back deep wounds. Remove rend.
Idk about that change like why give two abilities single target mortal wounds
It last 8s you will get more than 1 MS crit in single target in 8s
I already mentioned why
Aoe rend is cool
At least on arms, remove it from class tree and move it to arms tree maybe
Are we getting catalyst charge next reset?
Its just not super satisfying to press.
Colossus is all about bleed so I want rend and deep wounds both!
With less than 20% crit mortal wounds has almost 90% uptime so adding it to slam down make
Much sense as you will easily be at 100% uptime with 25-30% base crit
Doesn't it work like ignite?
It's one less AOE talent and opens up the path for more DW dmg buffs and make the DW from demolish more impactful.
Refreshing wounds doesn’t add more damage it just keeps the tic going
They could make it add more damage with this slam change
I think they might keep demolish weak so they could buff colo ST
Ideally they can just make the main demolish target take a second shockwave hit / take double damage
It also makes FoB like the main thing that adds deep wounds into AOE and MS cleaves but you barely MS cleave as slayer
Taking it away from cleave also hurts ourself healing in aoe situations pvp and pve
Maybe they are adding rend to cleave hence why they removing deep wounds from it 🤷♂️
Maybe
Fusing buttons is lame
Fury getting rend added to whirlwind would make sense
Don't simplify my piano spec
Something like Rend is pointless to the rotation
In your opinion
Also wouldn't doing this mean using Cleave on ST to keep up rend?
It's not happening lol
Keep Fury braindead and fuse rend to everything but I like Arms having multiple bleeds
Warrior dps spec choices shouldn't be dumb and dumber
I like the potential complexity of arms
The issue is say slayer we don’t use cleave in single target other then over slam at 35% but we use rend in single target before that. if they add rend to cleave now we’re using cleave to apply rend. Where fury thy are adding rend to whirlwind and that usually is your fill button if you have nothing else to press or you happen to get no RB reset and BT is on CD no SD procs and not enough rage for ramp rampage
Rend has also been a thing since classic wow so removing it would be strange considering they made heroic strike return
Keep it for Arms at least
Yeah I’m use to it same on fury because I’ve played arms so much. On fury you pretty much rend after reck ends and you use your first BT is when you rend. Then it’s just upkeep so not that big of issue.
They have to do something about the abundance of our CDs next season
Bake Ravager into Avatar as a passive
When picked
That's gonna help so much
You're an anomaly here lol
Just remove ravager
You don't have to remove it. You can just make it work as a passive that throws a weapon down when you use Avatar
Lame
Less lame than having to cast it in sequence along with other CDs
In your opinion
And we already have a lot
Prot has passive ravager as a CHOICE node with regular ravager
More than any spec in the game
Prot doesn't have as many CDs as arms does
I'm half memeing, I just don't like it being an option because I think bladestorm is an iconic part of arms' identity (but blizzard clearly thinks otherwise as bladestorm is also available to fury)
Especially Colossus arms
And that's why I enjoy colossus arms
Well, you're one of the few people who think arms having this many CDs is good
I'm actually shocked they didn't prune our CDs
They did at first but walked back on it for whatever reason
It was me, I was the reason
Maybe they realized it wasn't a feasible task
Yeah I never liked that change they should feel different and how fury already cleaves all its damage and has Odins fury I never thought they needed bladestorm and it does the same damage as arms bladestorm
In half the time makes no sense
They could be doing it in a future patch
Blizzard just gave fury everything that made arms arms
Now the specs feel too similar
Colossus Arms is arms arms
They don't feel similar at all to me
slayer fury is full gas energy though
I have both my warriors now260+ fury slayer and arms slayer and execute phase on fury feels amazing your damage actually goes up.. arms does not sadly
If your running raid build sure it does but in mythic plus you can’t can’t afford execute like raid build
Where fury raid build is same as its mythic plus build 1 talent change
Doesn’t affect execute at all for fury
Yeah. I also don't like how Thane Fury is just thunder clap spam.
At some point in time pressing thunder clap to spread bleeds was an arms thing
Now we don't even do that
I prefer aoe rend to lame thunder clap
TC to me feels so weird outside of prot war
or thane hero
Hey guys, has colossus rotation changed in any way after the latest hotfixs?
Slayer fury in reck is pretty much Bloodbath Ramp ramp bloodbath and weaving SD procs before Ramp if they proc. I like it a lot builds berserk stacks so fast and makes BS hit even harder with enrage and like 7-9 stacks of berserk
This is the way
Not to mention the Bloodbaths going off that hit for 80-90k during BS vs MS hits during BS
Bloodbath should not be hitting as hard as it does compared to MS. Even fully stacked MS with hero weapon 2xEP and 3x MP hits for not even 200k unless your running then 50% after BS talent and even then it has to crit
Compared to seeing my Bloodbath hit for 95k without any buffs other then enrage
MS hits hard with Colossus
Yeah, fury is supposed to be the hack and slash option that's fast paced but doesn't hit as hard
Which doesn't even make sense considering you have 2 two-handers
1h transmog option
Yeah it’s not the visual thing they mean I get it because I play both at en game they just mean how it’s suppose to play what it actually is doing
I like bladestorm in pve on arms I can go to rest room come back fury I do same BS damage in half the time I have to stay locked in 😂
Feels similarish to how arms was played before we had hero talents
Colossus feels like something else
Colossus feels like a two hander in dark souls 1, big meaty hits, even with tons of haste
Yeah I can see why some would like it
I just don't like casting/channeling things as a melee
Yeah I like demolish too
Demolish can suck a fat one
Makes me feel like Aatrox from league
Nobody liked fyralath- let’s make it a hero talent
real
Way better than Fyr (Once they fixed the tank pulling mobs away from the channel)
How is it in any capacity better. It just lacks the charge, which was never useful anyway
I guess the first 2 hits cleave with sweep
they had that fiery axe thing
and decided to give us the bad leggo
demolish should have been plunderland axe or w/e that fortnite event was

Imagine Demolish was just a warrior version of convoke. But it's all just one ability.
And that ability is smash.
So you smash the floor 20 times.
This is already how I see demolish
It's such a cool button to me
We aren't too smart to consider what would happen if it was an array of abilities.
Let's just commit to our innate hulk.
That’s why slam lost its channel remember when slam use to be cast 😭
That was terrible
i think it looks dumb asf with a high cast speed
If Slam was a 45 sec major cooldown, no one would complain about slam cast in classic
and its annoying with a slow cast
I still hate using shattering throw in arena because of that
the animation sped up looks so dumb
That's why you settle with around 20% haste and you're gtg
loses all of the impact when the cast is hasted and it looks like youre carving a fish
LOL
3rd hit always looks good tho, no?
This was demolish in undermine
yes. we like things straight forward.
we build it up.
we wind it up.
then BANG.
I concur with this, demolish feels good, just idk man, rend sucks lets be real
let me just give you a little poke before the battle starts
Aoe rend is kinda cool tho, thunderclap was lame
all our abilities should just cause rend innately imo
Nah
Fury can be the lazy no button spec
There should be no rend and it should just be all deep wounds. Take away the rend damage and put it into deep wounds.
It's effectively the same thing
I'm not a shaman
fury can thunderclap rend with 100% uptime
I don’t understand the fantasy of needing to pre bleed my target
when Imm wielding a giant 2 hander
Ok fair
Though I think the idea is that you're just stomping really hard
Also lame, I have a sword, let me use it
it should just start bleeding when doing damge like a rogue poison
idk, i guess you stomp so hard ur opponent's feet explode and they start bleeding or something idk
i wish colossus smash had the evoker eruption animation
hey if puzzlebox is S tier for m+ how come my 263 world quest trinket is better than it at 13 ilvls lower?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jsNeYf9QMZjhTZR1PssvTT
What the helly is "S tier" man
For m+ sims are not 100%
Puzzlebox can definitely boost your burst but
It all depends on pulls and all else
So the best is to test both yourself
With how your keys are being done
I'm gonna pretend you said "the old warbreaker animation"
Yeah like imagine your tank is doing the full tree room in AA
box is amazing there cuz you know you can just juice up your burst
Now imagine it's a weaksauce tank doing 2 packs a time
Not as hot
Hi just came back to Midnight after a long time, have a question about Rend. Back then we used to apply with thunderclap, but I don't see it being used anymore. Do we just apply it one by one or with Sweeping in an aoe situation?
Rend is aoe
need to see it
oh right, thank you

TC would've been way cooler in TWW if Colossus got yellow lightning and Slayer got red lightning
But I'll take aoe rend, which is better than lame lightning on my warrior
I would rather rend just be gone lol. Why does arms need deep wounds and rend? Rather just put more damage on deep wounds instead of rend being a separate button needed to press
Hey, I saw this macro getting posted here couple days ago
/use [known:Heroic Strike] Heroic Strike; Mortal Strike
Does it actually make any difference instead of just using MS and HS separately?
Bring the amirdrassil tier set bonus back as talents, that way we can just apply rend with execute
I played worse with the macro so I stopped using it
If you are playing MP then there were be times pressing HS over a buffed MS is wasting stacks so their is that
Right 😂
okay so my other question is do I pop HS before MS with 2 stack of Executioner's precision or does MS with 2 stacks always take priority over HS?
HS would buff your MS for what its worth
And should I also use overpower for my MS with 2 stacks of Executioner's precision or should I just go with 2 executes and then MS if Im playing with Martial Prowess?
am i trippin or is the apex talent only bffing cs?
so like slayer gets no bfuf from the 4th apex?
Slayer Arms likes overpower more than Colossus Arms, especially if you play Opportunist
So they get that from points 2 and 3, 4th buffs CS for both heroes
im trippin nvm
algethar isnt real
whoever
made all these changes
should get shot
genuinely
what a disgusting dungeon
if you look at sims and look at the damage breakdown log if your playing MS and EP your always using 3 globals between every MS pretty much as slayer that’s either going to be SD/OP/HS/Slam into a MS single target with execute phase your always getting 2x executes before your MS for the mythic plus spec Single target. Raid spec is a bit different as your playing battle lord.
You won’t ever have 3 stacks of MP and 2x EP per MS use it’s more of a mix depending on SD procs sometimes you get 2x SD and 1 OP/HS into a MS or sometimes it’s 2xOP 1X HS/slam into MS depending on procs
Easier way to remember it’s 3 globals per MS use. And then just remember priority SD>HS>OP>Slam for those 3 globals or rend upkeep
I genuinely don't know what the changes are but
I fucking hate AA
im new to warrior is there a way to track the apex heroic strike proc without having to look at my action bar constantly
Track it in CDM with slam
I'd sim that shit
i tried but couldnt find slam there, i am using luxthos CDM import ill keep looking ty!
Oh if you are I have no idea
That last boss has bricked 3 of my +10s cause people aren't avoiding orbs lmao
Solidarity brother
any advice lads? low key +9 Pit of Sauron and tank wasn't that experienced so not optimal route just fyi
looks ok
where will the buff put us next week guys in terms of single target dmg ? As thane i sim 80k single target as arms i sim 57k dps thats a massive difference. both sims are m+ talents
anyone did the numbers 😄
is the aoe damage that much better though on arms to make up for bad boss damage ?
Probably depends but colossus is doing some insane AoE right now
Always refreshing to check in here while unsubbed just to see the state of warrior
the issue i have is in my opener i do not have enough rage to do the opener proeprly i am rage starving instantly and can sometimes not even get off the 4 cleaves in a row mentioned in the opener rotation for aoe
am i doing something wrong ?
pool rage by charging early
and just autoattacking
usually u only have to do this on the first pull of the key
usually u have rage from the last pack
Heys lads. So for ST, I'm following the wowhead stat prio of crit>haste>>mastery>vers.
But when I check with the Sim stat weight calculator it tells me that haste is almost double crits worth. But I also know that the stat weight calc is notoriously unreliable. Anyone found a nice sweet spot for their secondaries?
alright
A fat overpower could also be a good send
ye if u want the mob to turn to you and explode you
LMAO okay yeah fair point
i mean yeah i should be able to pool some rage before the tank
gathered everything
and wait until i send
but sometimes we just instantly go like first pull terrace
i usually delay my opener if i dont have rage
i dont wanna waste time in cds
sure u can fill with op but its 100% a big dps loss
u want to make sure u can spam cleave and ms in cds
keep cs up with tierset on the prio mob
yo is arms supposed to be bottom dps on bosses or am I just ass
im so carried by aoe
is there a scenario where we press cleave or prio cleave over something else in singletarget or 2 target fights?
i just saw that in the guide it puts cleave during ravager over slam, overpower and execute for singletarget. why is that ?
You're not ass, the talents are ass
Forced to pick between ST or AoE
Can't be helped
nvm i should read the spell maybe ^^
yo with the addon nuke is it still possible to make a macro that will call out how much dmg ive done with a successful spell reflect in chat or no?
nope. it is the thing i miss the most
Is it just me or our burst feels disgusting low, like 70k-80k at best with lust on ST
We've always been a bit of a sustained dps class
i love when our strong suit is the execute phase
is raidbots nightly reflecting the buffs yet?
that's really sad
You didnt get enough PIs
Blame your priest. Not your fault king
real actully thanks king
tbh, i stopped trusting people to do mechanics properly so I'd be leaping out and sitting waaay out of melee tomake sure they got done
gg dmg
im max turbo greed
in raid
refused to dstance maybe could've lived
but i aint dstancing on heroic
Execute is still does damage? Or like pyroblast just regular filler? I mean in modern warrior’s gameplay
They were coping
on reset arms is gonna be a couple % behind fury
not on ST surely
obv fury still superior in raid cause thane is a hero talent of all time
I assume hes talking about M+ ST

Just pad harder and beat the furies
I mean that's cheating 
Funnel gaming
real
ur prio dmg doubles if u have 2 adds
wanted funnel finally got it, Losing tier gonna suck
how do i sniff the BS out from the real shit in class discords
👍
Hang around long enough to notice which individuals know what they’re talking about
u can run a st quick sim and a 3t quick sim go to html report and look at prio dmg in the title
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for me it goes from 60 to 125
tier + cm + fob + collat
a lot of things
the way arms is designed rn i dont think we will ever have good st
in M+ yeah
Well they simply can’t
ye
It would be giga broken otherwise lmao
arms does almost double furys prio dmg btw
M+ ST is at the mercy of raid ST if we are tuned strong for raid ST then our M+ ST will be mid and passable
Oh I know I’ve been playing it almost exclusively in keys besides the first day xD
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hey guys, im new to warrior, and i want to main arms but i dont seem to find a single guide about rotation. Can someone help me with a quickguide?
Wowhead is a good place to start
Then simply ask away in here
Arms gang is happy to help
always 👍
ohh okey, i played encha shami since tbc, and most of the time i noted, wowhead wasnt that good. Ima start reading it then and get back if i dont get smt! Thank you very much! 😄
The wowhead author also is a mod here and is very active
ohh nice
trash in raid
whatd you reflect lol
🤫
normally against gatekeeping tech but ya i will, arms needs something l0l
and the fun police will 100% nerf
Can't fury do that too?
its the biggest caster mob after first boss
Best race animation/mog for arms? 
Question, how does the 4 set work? Does it just not do anything on single target? Because it you can't even hit three targets and you can't hit more than two with mortal strike?
is there a sim of the upcoming tuning
the 3 target requirement is just for cleave
Oooooooooooh
its really small like 2%
Dumb question, if I am playing coll, on pull with lust. Do I just fuck off pressing MS as much as I can to get 10 stacks THEN all CDs and demolish?
Nah, they buffed Demolish's baseline dps, so you use Demolish immediately after your major CDs even if you have zero stacks yet.
Most of your burst DPS actually comes from Cleave (thanks to Crushing Combo), so you want to get to using it ASAP
Feels like Demolish does no damage
it does about the same as MS, it's not bad
😁
in your example, your opener would look like this:
Charge -> Rend -> Ravager -> Avatar+CS+Pot+Trinket -> Demolish -> Cleave 4x in a row -> Mortal Strike -> [AoE rotation]
That will usually get you back up to 8 stacks of Colossal Might alone, and you'll have a fully stacked Demo to send with your next CS
The demo into cleave spam skyrockets your dps to the moon 
F we killed Chimaerus when I got the most mechanics ever
Mythic aln dropped at least
Damn bro only 6 of us

Hey guys
How does arms do vs Viceroy for the tentacles?
Easy SR + Dstance I assume?
no defensives needed in 10-11s atleast
colossus pretty tanky
...damn
it's the balls that hurt
7

if I didnt get 2 dispells and a swap in that pull Im at 100k ez on that kill
was big sadge
yea never felt in danger unless hit by balls. then i just press defensives and an IV
bingchilling
Yea ive been lucky with sd procs on adds 
I did it in a 10 on rogue
It was literally if your add dosen't die in 5 seconds flat without cloak GGs ur dirt nappin
They didn't exaggerate rogue being the squishest class in the game holy....Gimme my warr back
you do broad powerful too? felt really good if your guild is able to let the big guy come close
Broad cleave fob
boss hitbox makes SS pretty forgiving
Didnt go with powerful
interesting. I tried cleave for a couple pulls but didnt feel useful only in intermission I could see where it was good
I tried some pulls but i found cleave fob better
ill try it next week then
FoB carries
Fob is eternally based
God I remeber when we had the meme fob build in df s3
Lowkey good times on brh 
Tbf slarms reminds me df s3 a bit
Thats why i like it i guess
yeah I didnt try with fob will give it a shot next time. Tho again I woulda been around 100k
if I didnt get mechanics
yeah bloodsurge not needed
were you going down first or 2nd on Chim?
I was going down first so I was being a bit silly and holding cds for adds. to pad a lil
Mythic?
RIP
ST in MM is so painfull
Rip how am i to show my rl its fair to be arms
Compared 2 collosus?
ya rocking with the wowhead build or
oly
yeah
I highkey think ME might be a lil bait
Would maybe play extra sweep dam
key by key case tho
since slayer ST is not so reliant on ME
maybe cleave still does ok dmg
deffo
oly reap procs
yeah reap fucks
I swear slayer is pretty dam decent in keys right now. Like if you are bad at colo just play slayer
and then its gonna die in 0.5
lots of 360 aoe carrying
i mean what else do you take in a key? 1 point critical thinking? maybe next reset with the exe tuning
surely its also gonna get giga buffed to compensate for its low proc rate now

sweep dam node
next to cleave
and yeah CT is potent
for St
:copiumtruck
might give slayer a try. do good overall as colossus but no shaman makes me want to die
no fear shout, just noticed...

its ok i had bladestorm!
does anyone know where that macro for heroic strike that makes it go over mortal strike is?
cant find it in any of t he pins
#showtooltip
/use [known:Heroic Strike] Heroic Strike; Mortal Strike
can also just charge out of it
relentless pursuit
ah ye tru, forgot slayer has that. not played slayer in m+ for a loooong time
its really only thing you need for roots if your playing slayer
Will the execute buffs make it go up in priority?
Can you get loot on both lfr and normal dificulty in the same lockout?
Ty!
its per difficulty
Awesome
I swear slayer aint beans this was overall with me dying very first global into lust on first pull

still caught up to the rogue
real
its a vibe tho so relaxing playing slayer over colo
its why i play it lol
well see it will def be extremely close
already kinda feels like you can play either
yes, or wednesday if eu
Gah, when the tank dies in your key so he starts pulling scared. And you know you wont time.😭
How come the crucible trinket is simming so well for me?
cuz its a good trinket (if you upgrade it fully like in the sim)
Have any of you used the crooked hook or oozing vestige in m+ to any success?
Used vestige in a couple m+. It only resulted in something like 1% of my damage.
Is there a resource that shows which dungeons arms is best at?
Its really good even now ppl just dont know
I am ppl
my sims are ppl too
yea thats why i prefer it most of the time in keys

Everytime I decide to do a slayer key I just don't wanna go back to playing colo
I'm so burnt out of it from TWW
i cry a little bit inside when my stacks drop as colossus
Is it still fury > colo > slayer then or is it close enough to mix it up if you have no pref
Meanwhile slayer ID lasts 1 min and you can stack it up on a dummy before starting the key
Colossus is fantastic during trash, but man once you get to single-target bosses...
Play slayer and be good at both
It goes from the most fun in the game to the most depressing
yup. every seat i do i see my stacks drop after 3rd boss...
nothing i can do either
it's okay got my gloves now. out of seat jail
That cantrip proc on those gloves does like 0.2% damage overall or something 😂
I wasn't even farming the gloves but I got them at some point
0.3% free st is pretty good
Yeah, and weirdly enough, I think it's gonna be the only way for us to trigger the effect from the neck from Alleria
just regular 289 hands vs seat 276 is within margin st for me. prob coz i have alleria neck as well
Oh nice, does the neck effect trigger from the gloves proc?
according to sims yes. not actually tried them out yet
just logged out once i got the gloves

because arms clearly wasnt descrete enough, his AoE and single target builds are basicly the same and need a bit more distinguish!

love that reaction
im a bit confused; it says to craft a weapon for arms (checking for an alt) but i only have 3 sparks?
you should have 4
u have to do the whole campaign
for the 4th free spark
well i currently only have 3; i guess i need to do some weeklies?
form the world tour quest
on an alt too?
yes
u have to do the campaign for the world tour quest
You need to do the world tour quest on alt
nah u just gotta do some weeklies
i still havent completed the world tour quest on any of my toons and im caught up
lmao
the world tour is an extra one
I have 5 sparks total
Anyone else on the 3 paladin boss on mythic that have some tips?
guess i gotta do that
Go to liodormi or whatever her name is in the Inn in silver moon, say you finished the campaign, then go get world tour quest from lorthamar in the middle
yeah im working on that atm and reminded that the defend the runestone quest is fucking awful
I think Stormarion Assault is worse
Wait, is slayer really viable in m+? Cuz colo feels like ass in ST
Just run with an UH DK and ele shaman. Problem solved.
Also, good lord brewmaster does a lot of damage in keys.
yah, Brewmaster eating before they stop existing again.
?? on arms is quite fun tho
really had to tinker some things in talents and use literally every ability to kill him
cool expirience
Arms > fury or no?
damn boi i agree, those drunkards slam their barrels hard
both are playable in keys, fury is better in raid
not divine toll hard, but still
@tacit crystal tyvm
is arms still a descrete spec? Either aoe or st?
yes
F
blizzard made a lot of specs way more convenient to play in midnight, guess arms was late for the convenience bus, huh
no
blizz just cant allow themselves to make cleave baseline ability and consolidate some talents into one so we do not have to respec a half of a tree to just deal sligtly more damage in AoE than best classes while having literally half of their dps in ST
still stuck in sl, investing in either aoe or shit st :3
sl means slayer? It will have execute proc do a swirlie, there are changes on PTR
if execute hit 2+ targets
but alas
colo is fucking good in keys in aoe
stacking colo might while tank is running to pull is a pleasure
how to stack it without the mobs?
shadowlands usually
ah
i just really hope they change MS to give 2 stacks baseline and 4 on crit no matters do you have SS active or not
that would greatly help with ST
you cant
but usually in high keys tank is pulling 2 packs of mobs and while they run to second pack you just spam MS Overpower with SS on and quickly regain your stacks from previous pack
oh no i meant shadowlands gameplay 😂
when many more specs were between choosing to go aoe or st is what i meant where arms is at rn 😂
it's fun to see my wife playing devourer DH and her's build dont ever change whether we do keys or raid
yeah i've kind of moved on to prot warrior and moved my dps elsewhere... for the moment >.>
ive full confidence arms will catch up. they just missed the bus is all
what is the difference between slayer and colossus in m+? it feels like collo ST is like 0 and slayer overall is only abit lower than collo
if you can get slayer overalls close to colossus, you are gods gift to arms
i guess pugs dont pull stuff onto bosses
or just shit with colossus XD
why is there a execute prio, do we get a buff when <35%(20%?) enemie hp?
KOLOSSALES SCHMETTERN
Why would execute not be on a priority list? SD execute is free damage
its not like you are swimming in rage as colossus
HELDENHAFTER STOẞ
in the first list exe is lower in prio, why is it higher when at 20%
xdddd
You are still playing Executioner's Precision even in the aoe colossus build
i just cant find the reason we benefit from execute phase
are you looking at ST or?
you are, idk if thats intentional or not
but still, i dont get why execute is a higher prio when in execute
i dont get the benefit of execute when executephase
Is it better to bind heroic strike to mortal strike or Overpower? Or does it not matter?
If i want to use that macro
I wouldn’t use it at all, but of the 2 I think OP would be better
executioner's precision buffing MS, but we arent taking the talent that removes execute cooldown, so its more important to get that off while execute is available outside of SD as well
we good now?
Great, thanks. I know many say it´s better to not use it but i need to save in on some binds lol
Rage starving

With the changes this week its worth to execute on cd now in colossus even more so with buff next week
yo guys, i tried 1-2 m+ runs with slayer arms and it felt like the AoE is much weaker, anyone got experience with it ? i went from like an average of 140k-180k overall as colossus to like 120k as slayer
and that was hard even
180k overall?
depends on dungeon you can pull more
Dubious
biz had a youtube run at like 200k almost
the legend biz
feels like nerfing cleave is actually giga bad for slayer
design wise no, niche wise yes
so now i feel like they should just rebuff cleave and remove it from practiced strikes for colossus 🤣
cleave was and still is pretty all encompassing
how about we nerf cleave but buff reap 
they seem to be wanting to nerf reap though xd
did i misunderstand his question, cause i felt like that answer was left field xd
but he sounded like it was all he needed xd
they made reap proc from cleave in the .5 patch
i think either cleave or reap will sufferr
but no no i was thinking if they removed cleave from practiced strike without the nerf they could have been able to buff practiced strike as pure ST scaling instead
and then slayer won't suffeer from cleave nerfs
yea in fact i was surprised how weak my cleave was compared to toher abilities
even my mortal almost passed my cleave as slayer
the overall on slayer looks like a much better dmg breakdown
do i use cleave >2 targets?
even on bosses
as colossus or slayer ?
colossus m+
colossus we use cleave even ST
just take a look at bizentein stream and you will see how he does it for example
cleave>slam on collosus
like it's fine if you slam above 35% for more heroic strikes but it's a crime to not cleave at or below 35% or during ravager
@ocean marlin
Anyone tried PTR reap the storm changes ?
i agree, i just realized though that cleave never needed 10% nerf, just colossus needed it out of practiced strike which would have made balancing much easier for them.
it takes dmg out of our ST and buffs our aoe/cleve
âhh i see
time to eat food and then spam MGT until raid time
Just realized how muxh colossus would fuck with unhinged lol


