arms

[latent moss]

also arms funnel is kinda tech

i do like 2x prio dmg when there are 2 adds

i tried a bit of slayer in 11s

arms

idk feels bad

bs is an unskippable cutscene

[fleet spindle]

accidentally went slayer on the 10 pit of saron, this was my overall. felt nice on single target bad weaker than colo on mob packs

[astral yarrow]

pop off king

[fleet spindle]

colo wouldve been top dps but we timed the 10 +2

[spring vale]

Arms exclusive feature btw, BS is way faster for fury xd

[latent moss]

y

[astral yarrow]

it kinda needs to giga slap, or be fury like

[latent moss]

it was my 3rd highest in a pit 12

reap cleave bs

or cleave reap bs i forgot

it does ok dmg but its sooooo long

i legit fall asleep

[spring vale]

You need like a necrotic wake 1st pull for BS to feel like it nudges the damage meter even slightly on arms

[astral yarrow]

i need it to be TBC like. It actually being a button you look forward to pressing in ST if it has to stay this long

[minor gust]

If only they could buff arms BS and not fury BS

[latent moss]

when i played wotlk classic

arms bs was so funny

it just obliterated everything

perma aggro xdd

[astral yarrow]

i need the tc - wb - bs - release spirit meme to be real

with less aggro

[latent moss]

s1 tww i was perma dead in m+

as fury slayer

like no matter how long i wait

[spring vale]

The fucking odyns fury insta aggro steal

[latent moss]

reck charge ramp troar ava bs of

or something

along those lines

[spring vale]

Xd

[latent moss]

thats 2x of buffed by troar

and bladestorm

xdd

[high snow]

for m+ colossus: is it worth putting improved execute talents now? i dont really use it in m+ that much but the nee buffs is 20% more on top of 12% froma fee days ago..

tldr imp execute talents worthit for colossus m+?

[smoky kayak]

not right now no, but it's getting better, might swap to it after the next weekly reset

[rose ibex]

do you guys think it would be better to craft the bracers or the cape?

[smoky kayak]

arguably whichever one you need more

• there is a slight advantage to crafting bracers early, in that if you need to take a socket from vault, you have an item to put it into which won't be replaced

[junior trellis]

hoping arms is viable vs fury for next week, already sick of fury lol

[abstract schooner]

To sim for M+ what would be the best settings?

[stiff meadow]

in what content

[junior trellis]

Mythic - got imperator down reclear and prognnext week

[quiet bramble]

slayer doin good in aoe?

[stiff meadow]

prob fine already tbh, fury still owns at bursting ads but other classes can do that

[junior trellis]

Fair - in our kills other people are bursting the adds so fast already lol

[fleet spindle]

thank you for helping me cope with making bracers and cape before 2h weapon

[quaint snow]

it was always viable

[junior trellis]

Maybe socially acceptable

[quaint snow]

I don't think you know what viable means

[junior trellis]

I think you are intentionally being obtuse around an exact definition vs colloquially understood wording but thank you

[lethal acorn]

I like taking deep wounds to get to ravager instead of crushing combo, you lose 5% aoe but gain 2% single target so you don't really feel behind on st bosses

[dire hinge]

crushing combo is like, most of your burst damage 😬

[lethal acorn]

It also makes cleave feel less spammy after cs so you can play piano with collateral

[lethal acorn]

You would think

[dire hinge]

i do think, yes

especially since you dont really cast Execute on Colossus right now

and its, at max, two targets

[lethal acorn]

Sustain damage in aoe matters more in higher keys, as does boss damage

[lethal acorn]

True but execute is getting that 20%!

[minor gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1314374602285125712/1380938748677722223/WhyTheFuckHaveYouBeenDrinkingSoMuchMilkIfYouKnewYouWereLactoseIntolerantJesusChristDude.gif

[lethal acorn]

It plays better than you think

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[lethal acorn]

Mr Slayer in keys

[dire hinge]

20% of 3M over a whole key isn't much damage

[quaint snow]

And you would be wrong

[dire hinge]

cleave alone pushes like 40-50M by comparison

[quaint snow]

600k 🙂

[dire hinge]

yes, thank you

[lethal acorn]

If you can try to sell me slayer in M+, I'm selling deep wounds over crushing for the bit of boss dmg

[jovial hare]

🪤

[lethal acorn]

Having deep wounds 100% uptime on bosses feels really great though

[minor gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1404238944308166757/a2q0v1.gif

[dire hinge]

you're free to do whatever you want, but that's a very poor choice

i would highly discourage it

[lethal acorn]

And crushing combo feels bad on single target

[minor gust]

feels great on st

[lethal acorn]

It's 5% worse in aoe and 2% better in single target

[minor gust]

because you press cleave in ST

[dire hinge]

tbf you use Cleave over Execute in single target currently so

exactly

[minor gust]

[lethal acorn]

Well execute is on a cd in the M+ build

So ofc

[dire hinge]

you also rage starve yourself

[jovial hare]

yeah bc its not worth investing into on colo

[languid torrent]

but i would stop

[dire hinge]

again, you can do whatever you want to, but this is not a good choice with current tuning

[lethal acorn]

5% worse aoe for 2% better single target

Not as bad as y'all say

In practice

Looks worse on paper

[quaint snow]

These numbers are from what

[lethal acorn]

5 target patchwerk

and 1 target patchwerk

[quiet bramble]

you're cooking slayer now?

[quaint snow]

That’s funny

[lethal acorn]

I mean I play colossus in raid so deep wounds in m+ is less of a crime

[languid torrent]

this

[dire hinge]

arms (currently) excells in AoE and struggles in single target. If you hamstring your AoE burst window to do a pitiful bleed on single target (in colossus mind you, where you dont press execute much to begin with), you're making yourself worse at both

if you're reaching for anecdotal key data saying you preform better with it, i'd sooner point to you probably playing the default build incorrectly, more than the talent choices being better

[lethal acorn]

I like my pitiful bleeds :^(

[lethal acorn]

Not about performing better with it, it just feels better to play collateral damage when cleave has a CD

[dire hinge]

better how? You're making Collateral do less damage with it

[lethal acorn]

Getting the 3 stacks

CD is up every two cooldowns

[dire hinge]

you lose 3 stacks per Collateral if you dont take Crushing Combo?

[lethal acorn]

slam proc is 1 of 3

[dire hinge]

you realize the Fervor of Battle procs count towards Collateral right? So that's 4 stacks in 4 gcds upfront

[lethal acorn]

Fervor is the slam proc 1 of 3, yeah

[lethal acorn]

By having no cd it feels like you want to just mash cleave instead of bulding it up with OP and MS

[dire hinge]

ah, you're one of those who wants to stack things up before sending it

it's not worthwhile to worry about

we did the math

[languid torrent]

working hard or hardly working?

[lethal acorn]

Crushing combo just feels so braindead to me and the pruning made arms too easy

[dire hinge]

Pruning? Arms has more buttons now than it did in TWW 😂

[lethal acorn]

Yeah my post was about feely nice and not optimization

[lethal acorn]

Not about buttons, more like, order of operations was made twice as easy

[dense sphinx]

2% single target for arms in m+ build is like 1k dps bro u get maybe 2 more pixels longer on details

[minor gust]

[dire hinge]

i genuinely can't tell if this is bait or not, our APL is longer than it was in TWW for Colossus AoE

[jovial hare]

no that cant be right, unc blizzard said theyre making classes simpler

./s

[dire hinge]

i wish

[lethal acorn]

I was referring to both ST and AoE for the pruning stuff

[quiet bramble]

send BS after CS?

[dense sphinx]

the only button we lost was troar?

[minor gust]

do your 4 cleaves then BS

[dire hinge]

right, our Colossus ST is 19 lines long, and AoE is 22

[lethal acorn]

I was never talking about buttons

[quiet bramble]

[lethal acorn]

I took skullsplitter in M+

Buttons aren't my concern

[dense sphinx]

pruning literally refers to buttons

what else are u pruning

braincells?

[dire hinge]

"how you press them and in what order" (which also got longer)

[languid torrent]

you are arguably the most disgusting human being i know

[lethal acorn]

Rotation oder of operations getting simplified

[languid torrent]

with that sentance alone

[lethal acorn]

It's okay, I always used two passive trinkets

[dire hinge]

skullsplitter was pretty good tho

insano burst

[languid torrent]

just because it was good doesnt mean anything

[dense sphinx]

hrothmar already disproved you, the apl got longer in midnight

[languid torrent]

skullsplitter was beans

[lethal acorn]

I'm okay with more buttons if they are from my class and not trinkets

[lethal acorn]

Disproving a strawman, I wasn't talking about apl

[dire hinge]

i will say, i spun up a BM alt the other day for guild keys and man it's pretty wild looking at their pruning

[dense sphinx]

so you mentioned pruning but its not about buttons and not about apl

where are you moving the goalpost now?

[lethal acorn]

Pruning is probably the wrong word

I never moved the goalpost I think I just used the wrong word

[dire hinge]

they're entilted to have whatever opinion they want, and nobody can tell them how to play their monthly sub 👍

[lethal acorn]

The picture I posted was not meant for optimization, I play colossus in raid ffs

[dire hinge]

a surprising amount of breakthroughs have come via someone in the community finding something, recommending it, and it actually ends up working out

aint this one tho

[languid torrent]

[lethal acorn]

r u d e

[dense sphinx]

by someone you mean korean guy

[dire hinge]

hahaha ilu ❤️

[lethal acorn]

[dire hinge]

for real though, it's what like a 1.2k(ish) ST gain, and basically entirely unused in AoE, and that's what I'd be more concerned about personally. Even if you somehow kept it going for an entire key it'd only be like 1% of your damage for a LOT of manually execute applications, on a hero tree that tries to never press execute to begin with.

so for most of the dungeon it's sitting unused

[lethal acorn]

Yeah my mentality was just tyrannical bosses

I needed an excuse to not mash cleave 4x in a row every cs

[dense sphinx]

the only significant gain for ST on bosses is bringing trash onto them

we're funnel

pull trash onto boss and u do more boss dam just by cleaving

[dire hinge]

in keys 10 and higher Tyran is always active, and it's basically healthier to bring a dps who has strong single target and have them carry you on bosses.

Arms job, at the moment, is to clear the trash and get that other ST DPS to the boss as fast as you can

[lethal acorn]

Dross means trash so I know I'm meant to clear trash, trust me guys

[dire hinge]

haha, that's pretty funny actually (thanks for that tidbit of info!)

[dense sphinx]

also the execute and op buffs are pitiful

[lethal acorn]

As a colossus player, those kinda benefit slayer more

I want them to add like a double damage to demolish on your main target, make demolish good on single targets

[dire hinge]

yeah the change wont actually make Execute any good in M+ (for Colossus)
It's mostly targeted at trying to kill the current APL, which is "Arms Colossus in ST uses Cleave isntead of Execute below 35%". So by bumping up execute damage we can stop doing that

[dense sphinx]

but they said

Developers’ notes: Arms single target damage remains lower than intended, particularly Execute.

[dire hinge]

right, and that's still true

[dense sphinx]

lets buff execute 20% which does less than 2% of our ST

[dire hinge]

Arms Colossus's "execute" damage was so dogshit that we used Cleave when the boss was Low HP

this bump is basically barely enough to make Execute better, in that scenario

[dense sphinx]

well the other issue is we dont even have rage to spam Execute during execute

[dire hinge]

real

[lethal acorn]

We won't take massacre anyway right? So above 20% do we still cleave bosses after tuesday?

[dire hinge]

out here charge weaving again

[dense sphinx]

like even if execute was worth pressing

[lethal acorn]

I enjoyed charge weaving in shadowlands but I'm a psycho

[dense sphinx]

i still have to hold back and NOT press execute or i might not have enough rage for the next MS

[dire hinge]

we can't do it very well right now since we can't track swing timers any more

[lethal acorn]

This is the worst part of midnight for me

I really like my house though

[dense sphinx]

i remember a time when bosses hit 20% and you're like WARRIOR TAKE US HOME

not anymore though

[dire hinge]

Ret Pally technically can since thier Crusader Strike becomes their auto-attack, and they track the Crusader Strike cooldown 😂

but not arms, who low key needs it

love my house

[dense sphinx]

i dunno whats their fear of giving us too much rage

would our dps even go up much if we had unlimited rage in sim

[torpid acorn]

They give us plenty of rage

[dire hinge]

we swam in too much rage most of TWW (until execute phase) and people called it our "cosmetic rage bar". This is complete speculation, but that probably didn't sit well with them since Arm's whole identity was rage management and planning your spells

[torpid acorn]

IRL

[dense sphinx]

except rage management now means sitting on empty gcd cos ill screw my next MS if i press something

(when im out of OP)

[dire hinge]

granted, arms doesn't really have an identity currently. At best we're the two-target kings, but none of the 2-target raid bosses let you pull them close together

[languid torrent]

dont make me rage manage in execute phase outside of that idc

[dense sphinx]

we aren't even 2T kings, have u seen frost mage

[torpid acorn]

thats the symbiotic relation that the player has with the Arms warrior. the more rage the char has, the less the player. and vice versa

[dire hinge]

two target execute goes crazy, but we can't capitalize on it in raid

[languid torrent]

thic and ick or w/e their names are

shit goes hard

[torpid acorn]

inst it a bit lackluster that a crit only gives 10% more rage? thats like.. 2 rage extra. how has it been like this? last time i played retail was on S2 DF and we had such nice rage we even used ignore pain for tactician and Might buff

[dire hinge]

oh yeah the Pit bosses? So fun

[nova ravine]

Give back rage gain on taking damage

[dense sphinx]

the funny thing is prot has too much rage

i have to spam IP on full IP for the sole purpose of AM

[dire hinge]

god never bring back IP as a DPS increase, that stuff was cursed

[spring vale]

Prot is a 2 keyboard spec. You put the 2nd one under your desk and use it as a foot pedal to press IP fast enough. Its legit worse than old Guardian Druid Thorns of Iron

[dire hinge]

tbf thorns of iron you just macro'd your iron fur into each of your generators then walked to the end of the dungeon

[spring vale]

[dire hinge]

still can tbh, if you dont care about single target dps

[marsh needle]

Should paladins be able to have all 3 together more? I feel like most of tbe fight my guild is tanking 2 together and 1 off to the side

[dense sphinx]

they are doing the keep consecrate guy out thing

that's really bad for arms dps

[spring vale]

I cant test it rn BUT I wonder if prot can also have a pseudo swing timer if they track devastator in the CDM

Since its the same deal as Crusading Strikes trait on Ret

[dense sphinx]

but would they need to?

[spring vale]

No but just goes to show that Blizzard could totally give us an organic way to track a swing timer for arms if they gave us a similar trait (which would be pretty sick for Arms anyway)

[dense sphinx]

id welcome anything that results in more rage

[spring vale]

Of the specs with emphasis on autos, arms could use one of these "enhanced auto attack" traits to make our autos a bit more special

[dense sphinx]

having to conciously NOT press a gcd and that being the right play

CANNOT be good game design

and it is definitively unfun

[dire hinge]

As Rei said, they're going to move around a lot and the fight is mostly a 2-target fight with occasional third target between the ground-spells that you have to walk out of. A decent wait to visualize this is to look at the highest DPS Arms logs for that fight, and look for a spell like Mortal Strike (which gets cast constantly, even in AoE). You can then see which bosses got hit by it, and it paints a picture of when the bosses are together and apart
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/61RqkDnw8hftcgap?fight=59&type=damage-done&source=25&ability=12294

at ~45sec it's more "1 & 3" , but you get the idea

[quiet bramble]

testing my mentality by playing arms in delve

[dire hinge]

that's correct, but unfortunately Devastator isn't in the CDM

[spring vale]

Noooo

[vagrant void]

question regarding anger management

we dont take it because it throws out all cd's right?

[dire hinge]

we do take it, and it does throw out our CDs

[vagrant void]

ah, well thats fun

[dire hinge]

haha, luckily your Colossus Smash and Avatar are pretty much always gonna line up with each other, and both are affected by anger management

[vagrant void]

just finding the right place for bladestorm then?

[dire hinge]

the ones that get out of sync are your Ravager, Demolish, and Bladestorm, but you basically just hold those for your next Colossus Smash most of the time

exactly yeah

for Slayer (in all content) you only cast Bladestorm if Colossus Smash is applied to your target

M+ AoE, Raid, M+ Single Target -- it all holds Bladestorm for when CS is applied.
Once you get 4piece your Colossus Smash lasts a long time on targets, which helps a lot

[dense sphinx]

0pc gamer here

[languid torrent]

? just loot tier?

[nova marsh]

You should be able to at least make 2pc with champ gear

[dire hinge]

it's fine to race for 4pc because you get farmable catalyst charges once you have it

with Hero pieces being farmable i'd still wait for hero pieces at least tho, +6 dungeons are a cake walk

[bitter jewel]

so... has anyone every recieved 4 PI's and had logs invalidated?

[dire hinge]

if you get PI from multiple sources it instantly invaldates logs yes, that's by design

[bitter jewel]

so I can just get turbo griefed by my two priest friends any time?

[dire hinge]

hahah, technically yes

[bitter jewel]

he's actually trolling me to invalidate my logs

[languid torrent]

correct

[dire hinge]

a rare Priest W

[bitter jewel]

sweet

[dire hinge]

it's nice your friends are giving you PI though, there's much better targets for it

but yeah, just coordinate with your friends and have only one of them PI you, then have the other one target a good spec, like Unholy or something

[dense sphinx]

no reason to

[nova marsh]

why?

[abstract sphinx]

wait we dont bladestorm for m+? 😮

don't run*

[nova marsh]

No colo dosen't like BS

[abstract sphinx]

noooooooooooooo

[nova marsh]

I mean slayer is playable in keys 🤷‍♂️

It's not great but it is playable

[abstract sphinx]

its fine

i will let it go

[dense sphinx]

cos i cant reach 4pc yet, what if i catalyst something and i get the same slot tier piece in vault next week

[nova marsh]

Do you have 2k?

[dense sphinx]

yeah

[languid torrent]

how close are you because that cata charges at 4p are pretty frequent

[nova marsh]

I mean I still say it's worth it

[nova marsh]

if they have 0 pieces, next week they'll have the cata charges for it

[dense sphinx]

i literally cant hit 4pc this week so no point sending cata until next vault

and there's no content im doing for the rest of this week that needs 2pc anyway

[barren rain]

do people actually like the feel of bladestorm and want to use it?

[nova marsh]

fair enough

[nova marsh]

I mean I like BS

[dense sphinx]

i like using it on aoe

[nova marsh]

It's literally warriors most iconic ability even if it's damage is tuned around added affects still

[dense sphinx]

i dont like using it on st

[barren rain]

it is the most iconic, but idk it feels kind of weird to use

you press a button and then afk for a bit

on aoe it feels like, yeah, on st it feels dumb and always felt dumb since being introduced

[nova marsh]

I mean I feel like this is personal taste tbh

and a lot of meele nowadays have channels

[barren rain]

actually I’d say mortal strike is the most iconic ability now that I think about it

[dense sphinx]

MS and Execute are more iconic to me but i've played since vanilla

[nova marsh]

Eye beam, fists, killing spree (even if outlaw dosen't run it atm :()

[barren rain]

do they? I also play dk, enha sham, rogue, none of those have channels

[nova marsh]

I literally listed off rogue's channel

[barren rain]

yeah fair I refuse to acknowledge outlaw’s existence

[barren rain]

same for me, played since tbc

[nova marsh]

warrior has 2

And I'm sure there are some I'm missing

[rancid willow]

100% agree with you. Hated it from the day it was introduced. Corny animation.

[rancid willow]

This.

I’ve always wanted an awesome powerful ground slam like the barbarian in Diablo. In fact….just take 90% of the animations from Diablo Barb and make it for wow warrior.

I always feel like an unstoppable juggernaut as a barb. It’s like what warrior should feel like in wow.

[barren rain]

YES

make heroic leap do a ton of damage as a choice node with bladestorm and we’re good

[rancid willow]

Also bugs me that we’re plate wearers but get shit on by other melee.

Rogues or hunters shouldn’t have it easy against us.

And little knife isn’t gonna pierce plate armor

Or an arrow

[steel sluice]

Don't forget wc3 where all the blade master cool orcs went zug zug with blade storm so I would say it's more iconic than ms and execute

[rancid willow]

But I’m just getting philosophical

[barren rain]

that’s whirlwind tho

[barren rain]

i remember back in the day when you could off-tank for a bit in an emergency as arms

[rancid willow]

Yesss

I def did that several times in vanilla

We got our guild first Garr kill that way

The little adds. I tanked them as arms

[steel sluice]

It might be but the effect it had in the game looks more like blade storm but I wish had more stuff carry over from wc3

[rancid willow]

Honestly I just want something completely new

Warrior feels stale.

[steel sluice]

Imagine shock wave doing dmg again like in wc3 tbh I kinda want that

[rancid willow]

I miss when every expansion classes would get an all new ability

That made us feel like we really progressed and became powerful.

This apex talent crap doesn’t cut it

[steel sluice]

I don't even know why they did apex when they could have just worked on hero specs more and balance them better imo it should just be a play style change, but I feel that apex is why

[rancid willow]

Exactly.

[barren rain]

yeah, when bladestorm got introduced in wotlk it felt great to have something new like that even if it was clunky

[rancid willow]

Even hero talents felt super underwhelming

Slayer was just a bunch of “buffing the stuff you already have”

[steel sluice]

I mean I like slayer over col but that's because I do like blade storm over demo

[rancid willow]

Fair enough

Demo would be a lot of fun if it worked while moving

[steel sluice]

Now if they were 5% from each other across all content I would switch around all the time

Yaaa I mean you can kinda move now right? Just need ungodly amount of speeeeed

[rancid willow]

Maybe in wow 2 they’ll give us some cool stuff 😉

[quiet bramble]

actually having more fun with slayer arms than fury

[steel sluice]

Oh bubba.. wow 2 warriors will just be removed xD

That's how I feel when it comes yo warrior

[rancid willow]

They’ll make us Rainbow Warriors

Defenders of the Pronoun

Body 1

Body 2

[dire hinge]

😒

[rancid willow]

They’ll remove Fury

[quiet bramble]

warrior gonna be S tier in wow mobile

[rancid willow]

And put in Furry

[rancid willow]

Wow immortal?

[quiet bramble]

wow remastered

they gonna have skip tickets for delve

[rancid willow]

Ok I lowkey am enjoying delves

Bc I don’t have to rely on anyone else

[quiet bramble]

no cortisol spike playing as arms in delve?

[rancid willow]

No applying to a m+ group

35 applications before an actual invite

[dire hinge]

seratonin machine goes brr hitting 600k on that first algathar pack

[barren rain]

just make your own

[rancid willow]

Yeah

[barren rain]

people don’t want to make groups, they only want to join one

[rancid willow]

Waiting for a tank is always the hard part

[dire hinge]

there's also a trillion dps applicants to every single key

[languid torrent]

trying to follow the tank on that is cursed

[dire hinge]

a good tank moves in a single direction constantly

bad ones hairpin turn randomly

your melee and tank can basically just play on top of each other and have maximum uptime

[lone raft]

1st is overall, 2nd is opener

[barren rain]

pls do not attack me for no reason

[lone raft]

back after long break but arms feels great in mythic+ just need to work on doing mechanics while doing boss dmg

[barren rain]

people keep posting these and there’s always an aug in there

[languid torrent]

because it makes it look good

[lone raft]

really good people like Hroth hit 600

and good ppl hit 320k consistently

im trash but getting there

[dire hinge]

that one specific pull is also an extreme outlier to the rest of M+

[lone raft]

I need an enhance shammyh and windwalker monk

good time that dungeon, hate the puzzle box tho

most dumbass concept to give warriors

hold my axe lemme just solve this puzzle quick

memeing

[dire hinge]

in the past you use to be able to use it while channeling bladestorm, but they disabled it

made it much more palatable

[abstract sphinx]

Do we only use demolish with CS?

[dire hinge]

you usually use them together yeah.
Technically you can solo-send it if it has 10 stacks of Colossus Might, but basically just hold it until CS is applied

remember that with your 4pc set bonus your CS lasts longer, so you can apply it, then still cast Demolish as long as CS is applied to your targets

[uncut wing]

hey, do we have a lightweight addon to move rage bar around?

[dire hinge]

the lightest weight one is probably SenseiResourceBar

[fleet spindle]

fellow warriors, i hope you had a good day smashing keys, raids, or whatever you have been up to

[dire hinge]

aw ty, you too! hope the weekend is going well for you

[fleet spindle]

its been a good day! broke 2.5k io then started running m+ to gear my pvp friend

[quiet bramble]

damn aaaaaah stats, should i craft a crit/haste one

[dire hinge]

We have a post with more info about crafting recommendations here, if you'd like:
#1237307555961634826 message

Arms mains will eventually replace the weapon, though the only raid weapons drop from late bosses and the vault is RNG. Unless you feel lucky, its generally recommended to go for a weapon early and recraft later.

[slow saddle]

I mean i would wait for vaulty odx

But also i crafted weap😅, coz we prog slow and i play.both specs

[little meteor]

Is arms>fury in M+ now?

[solar nymph]

always has been

[sharp goblet]

friend kept telling me how clunky arms is, finally tried Colo in some 10+s yesterday and it felt so much better than fury, except when MS doesn't crit

[vast helm]

give strength of arms generates 8 Rage when used on a target below 35%

back back

[slow saddle]

M8 just give it below 101%

We could use the rage all the time

• gives op some agency

[vast helm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/timanderic-tim-and-eric-wareheim-lXu72d4iKwqek

[slow saddle]

U havent got damned by bad procs and no rsge yet

[lament sigil]

guys i plan on changing to another race this season can you help me please
do the dark iron dwarf racial and the standard dwarf racial only remove bleeds or they also make you immunte to them for the duration?

[drifting apex]

So guys does the m+ talent tree of arm gonna change wenesday?

[rose ibex]

It for sure is clunky compared to fury which is if anything smooth as hell

Arms continues to be more fun though

Despite its weird clunk

[violet laurel]

anyone has any idea how the bis lists come to be ?

do they just brute force all gear combinations ?

[latent moss]

no

[slow saddle]

even if Execute would become INSANE

we still rly cant afford to press it 😄

[quartz delta]

Do we not press heroic strike at all?

or is it just missing from the prio?

[slow saddle]

thats aoe brother

what does Cleave do in aoe ( + 3 )

[quartz delta]

yeah

oh does it consume the buff?

[slow saddle]

it does

[quartz delta]

nice

[slow saddle]

but as said

if its 2 targets

go look ST prio id venture

[latent moss]

fervor of battle auto casts it when u cleave and hit 3 targets

very powerful

also makes it do 50% more damage

[violet laurel]

ah because it considers it to be slam ?

[latent moss]

so u dont want to send a natty hs in aoe

ye

[violet laurel]

interesting

[jovial hare]

god i feel like an idiot every time i do this

just leaving an asspile of dam on the table any time i do

[vagrant aspen]

Never stop cleavin

[slow saddle]

i mean all depends if Cleave is on cd

its not a huge loss

[latent moss]

i reapply rend if i have nothing except hs

[slow saddle]

yeye all im saying its not HUGE loss

loss occurs when u dont cleave 😛

i mean i guess OP also pretty goo

d

[latent moss]

true

gotta keep cleaving

[slow saddle]

Playing arms with low haste

feels bad man

my rings are crit - mastery

and YES i am trying to farm

but man

[latent moss]

nexus point spam incoming

[fleet spindle]

Dude farming is so cursed. When i run pit of saron i get chest which means nothing cause of the set piece, or the belt over and over.

NEVER the necklace or weapon rng is so cursed

[slow saddle]

M8

i top u

they drop EVERYtime

no1 can trade

or want to

ive seen the items ive needed so many times

[fleet spindle]

That soulbind thing sucks ass too

[slow saddle]

yup i mean tis make sense man man when u on VETERAN rings and neck...

[latent moss]

i had like

30 runs in dos in sl

for opc

[fleet spindle]

Excited for this tuesdays vault to be 2 capes and 1 wrist choice from the 272 m+ slots, even though i got crafted wrist cape

[latent moss]

praying for big heart

[quiet bramble]

260+ is the requirement for 10+ lmao?

[fleet spindle]

At 262 atm and 2.57k io and still declined 999/1000 pugs

For 10s

[latent moss]

ye pugs moment

[slow saddle]

hmm

i just did a 10 NP as slayer arms

i gotta say

it flows well

[latent moss]

ure behind the curve so its oever

[slow saddle]

compared to collosus

[latent moss]

not hard

colo has no flow

its piano

[slow saddle]

i know 😄

u mean

a 5 yard old playing PIANO

[latent moss]

the best part about slayer

is u get to turn off ur brain

dont have to think about ravager aligning with stuff

dont have to think about how many targets is demo gonna hit

is the pack grouped

etc

[slow saddle]

yeah

ikr

i mean IF and i say IF

rav just auto came on when u pressed Either Avatar or WB

life would be infinitely better

[latent moss]

replace rav with cs does 5000% more damage

ez

[proper atlas]

Arms back for raiding or not enough, sry been gone

[slow saddle]

i mean

its great on 2 or 3 fights

[jovial hare]

😠

[tawdry quail]

Do u think arms will get a rework anytime soon?

[latent moss]

at this point

there is legit no way to know

weve been anticipating a rework since df

but it never came

so

[upper sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-jerry-mouse-oh-really-what-did-you-say-gif-4567866740137164332

[flat willow]

tbh reworking arms isn't easy, some people want off gcd rage dump and rivers of rage ( me ) some people want TOM (ew)

some people want to be rage starved and not be able to press any button (?????)

they call it "tactical playstyle"

[proven gyro]

this one is the worst one by far

[hoary palm]

DF season 1 pre rework was the right amount of rage

Still had to think about it a little but still had enough to dump it into ignore pain

Then they gave us infinite rage I didn’t like that

[quiet bramble]

yesh, me spin

[jovial hare]

i call this "being able to go get a glass of water mid-raid and being 100% optimal"

[snow hawk]

hi I ve never played arms in my life, is there a go to prio list or is it more like a rotation for arms?

[hallow quail]

It’s a priority list. Wowhead has one that’s pretty good

[snow hawk]

Thank you 🙂

[hallow quail]

🤙

[hallow quail]

I’d really like to possibly see them do both, rivers of rage via slayer and slow rage managment playstyle through colossus

[wide needle]

I'm looking for 20 apm game play

[hallow quail]

Including cooldowns?

[still fox]

jesus will you sleep by playing? 🤣

[hallow quail]

That would be one hell of unique Spec. Maybe blizzard could put 3.5 second cast timer on mortal strike

[spring vale]

Not quite 20 but MM hunter and dev evoker are up there for slow specs

I think flameshaper dev evoker is like 35 apm?

[upper sparrow]

this a weird way to explain people wanting slower gameplay and hard hitting abilities. If you wanna be APM locked just play Fury?

[hallow quail]

A lot of warrior players are old and miss pre legion I think

[flat willow]

the 2 things have nothing do with each other, 90% of the specs in the game are gcd locked, devourer is gcd locked and launching 300K collapsing stars. The choice isn't between "slow gameplay nobody likes" and " fury "

I see people here complain every time focused rage is mentioned because " but think about all the apm we'd have "

not that focused rage would gcd lock us, it would do the opposite of that

people just want to play arms with 30 apm, for some reason

[plucky fern]

nobody wants 30 apm arms, wierd take

theres already a warrior spec existing for low apm enjoyers (prot)

[kind thunder]

high enough to not feel clunky, slow enough to not get carpal tunnel syndrome

[sharp wyvern]

prot has the highest apm of every spec what are you talking about

[thick kelp]

:)))

[daring prairie]

Arms juat needs to so 500k damage in one mortal atrike.

[sharp wyvern]

they dont want collosus be a good ST spec tho

so that dmg has to come from execute somehow

[daring prairie]

I don't mind if arms is slow. I just want it to hit hard as fuck. I wouldent care if it had limited to 0 aoe. Leave that to the mana classes

I just wanna bash something head with a rock.

[shadow ibex]

I DO

https://tenor.com/view/rush-hour-jackie-chan-slow-down-gif-15709541

[daring prairie]

Would u want your 30 apm to be like. A slow drip. Or do u want it to be bursty. With down time.

10 seconds on 10 seconds off kinda thang.

[shadow ibex]

give off gcd so i can dump a full rage bar fast and make a full rage bar actually mean smth in terms of dmg will happen and not just a bunch of prio GCDs

and just maintain between windows

[latent moss]

cs on tactician

remove avatar

[shadow ibex]

yea that would make it work

[latent moss]

make arms fully play around cs

[shadow ibex]

gimme mop fury but with arms meaty big crits and wod class trinket

[latent moss]

and change tactician from rage cost spells to all spells to avoid spamming rend or slam or ww 40000 times in a row fishing

[shadow ibex]

🧑‍🔬

[zenith hamlet]

been away for bit more then a week. how is arms after the buffs. is it on par with fury in keys now?

[latent moss]

better imo

colossus that is

slayer idk doesnt feel good to me

aoe is quite a bit behind colo and st is not much better

even with the upcoming exe buffs i doubt slayer will see play over colo

colo is just absurd on aoe

[winter knot]

imo Slayer plays better but performs worse overall

[latent moss]

i would agree if bladestorm wasnt an unskippable cutscene

[winter knot]

but getting invited as an arms warrior into keys feels impossible in comparison to fury

[latent moss]

ye community perception of arms is that its an f tier spec

despite being a++

maybe s

not s actually nvm

devourer uhdk are hitlers

[winter knot]

A maybe A-

[latent moss]

a for sure

[winter knot]

the single target with col is still bad

[latent moss]

aoe more than makes up for it

[winter knot]

there are multiple speccs that have the same if not more utility with more aoe and more st

[latent moss]

if u get 2 adds on top of a boss ur st doubles

i havent played with a spec that beat me on overall yet

[still fox]

make the 31er move, join fury and for start switch arms

[kind thunder]

high rolling reaps on aoe with slayer does feel u with bliss

[plucky fern]

yes, but lowrolling reaps makes you want to leave the key
casino spec

[winter knot]

they keep kicking me out for it though

[still fox]

ah switch when 10 sec timer run 👍🏻

[latent moss]

[plucky fern]

does it even matter if you are fury or arms for pugs

you aint getting invites

run your own key is the only way

or find a group

[kind thunder]

tru, but u gotta feel the lows to enjoy the highs am i rite

maybe im just gambling addict

[plucky fern]

idk i'd rather enjoy feeling the highs every pull with colossus

then pretend im a decoration on st

[latent moss]

just have to high roll crits on ms

then st is ok

but if u low roll tactician and crits

[plucky fern]

well its more of a meme now
colo st is fine enough for keys
on the low end for sure
but not 'below tank'

[latent moss]

hoooooooly

[plucky fern]

if any funnel happens you are king anyway

[latent moss]

true

3t is insane

doubles ur prio dmg

[olive nest]

Seat council boss

Mmmmm

[plucky fern]

seat in general is perfect dungeon for arms i've been doing crazy numbers here

only last boss is st

if your tank pulls 1st boss with trash

[thick kelp]

crazy how our one tar damage goes from like 72k to 140k if the boss has 2 adds

[olive nest]

Lmao so true

[latent moss]

i wonder how much of that is tierset

[olive nest]

Are we the funnel spec now!?

[latent moss]

cm from cleave is huge fob is huge etc

buh how huge is tierset

cause if we lust

i legit keep cs up on prio target until cs comes off cd again

its insane

[plucky fern]

10 seat, i dont even have tierset yet

[olive nest]

[latent moss]

is there a way to see how much dmg aug is stealing without logs

ig not

if it wasnt doable with details its not doable with this

[thick kelp]

in logs u can filter

[latent moss]

doo hickey damage meter

ye but i dont log anything xdd

[thick kelp]

Not doable in details

[olive nest]

Functioning details is probably my most missed addon

[latent moss]

its 100% my most missed addon

was u can replace with addons for the most part

but details man

i miss it so much

[carmine iris]

is it fine to just macro cs with avatar?

[olive nest]

I wouldn’t

[dense nimbus]

dead channel now days? XD

[olive nest]

Their is times where you can cs/demolish a pack between Ava cd

[carmine iris]

but couldnt i just press macro again for only 1 of them if they are desynched?

[olive nest]

Oh I mean yeah sure if you track them separately in some way

[hoary palm]

what about fatty legion mortal strikes

with focused rage

done with my MS tickling

[finite spire]

we mathed out the ST buff yet?

[torpid acorn]

my napkin math is around 3,1%

i think its not enough tho. if arms is a spec that has to give up ST or AOE when building its talent tree i think it should have a way better ST.
Also people should not forget that nerfing 30% and then buffing 10% and 20% doesnt mean its back where it started.
Also the spec is completly unplayable without a shaman

[stable fiber]

the spec is fine

[wide needle]

Really I don't want 20 apm but gcd spec are tiring to play a bit

[stable fiber]

wdym gcd spec

[torpid acorn]

i dont know man. ive been maining arms for more than a decade and its just not clicking. doesnt feel strong out of thrash in M+. its not clicking with me. no identity, rage starved. no benefit in properly managing rage, just punishing if you don't. its frustrating

[torn rivet]

agreed

the rage starving is what gets me the most

[hallow quail]

For me switching to frost dk mid TWW I realized how goofy our rotation was playing. And how gimped our defensive and utility are. No one else is taking as many sacrifices as us, while still being mediocre at what we are good at. I was like top 100 arms NA just sitting at 3338 score, which is slumming it

[timber drift]

arms buffs enough to out perform fury on reset? Pog

[hallow quail]

No, but the specs are much closer now

Additionally they do have some fights in raid and pulls in mythic they are currently doing better than fury on

[torn rivet]

aint no way 3% got them much closer

if you mean arms got a spit's distance closer to fury sure but not "much" closer

[hallow quail]

Emergency Arms Buffs
Must be my birthday or something. Overall comes out to ~6-7% in single target and ~4-5% in higher multitarget, which should at least make Arms more competitive with Fury.
https://www.wowhead.com/news/arms-warrior-buffs-and-guardian-druid-nerfs-more-last-minute-class-tuning-380923

Arms

• Mortal Strike damage increased by 12%.
• Execute damage increased by 15%.
• Cleave damage reduced by 10%.

This is what I was mis quoting

[crimson furnace]

What’s the easier rotation fury or arms? Not the best damage I just want to know the easier rotation. Arms and fury are an off spec for me so I’d like to invest my time to pick up on the easier to succeed over the more damage.

[torpid acorn]

thats happening for me this season. Frost DK, altho not that strong, has a really well designed rotation, CD management with pilar mark breath and wyrm. trying to align them every 45sec and 1:30min. making breath last longer, managing exterminate to proc it 5x during cds.. EPW and procs + resource management. punishing when done bad, but extremely rewarding if done well.
Im also enjoying fury for the first time since for ever.
Arms is goofy af atm

[hallow quail]

I meant more competitive than much closer sorry

[hallow quail]

Fury thane is very simple. Basically one talent build for everything, simple priority queue that doesn’t change with cool downs that you send when ever they pop up

[plucky fern]

you can ask 'whats easier arms of fury' any expansion any patch
answer is the same

i dont remember a single time fury wasnt easier than arms

[dim basalt]

Theyre equally simple

[crimson furnace]

Ok thanks

[kind thunder]

fury is just harder on the wrists

[hallow quail]

The thane build really isn’t too bad, as someone who has issues with the slayer fury build in TWW hurting too much, thane fury has been mostly okay for me even with extended play times. I think having to mash those raging blows with no break was what was doing it

[crimson furnace]

I kinda miss the days of just clicking sweeping strikes and going into a large mob and bladestorming.

[plucky fern]

you can kinda do this right now with slayer arms
bs is finally doing some damage

[sharp goblet]

oh yeah, no I noticed periods of downtime, but I played only WW all my life, I'm used to that 😭 if anything fury feels to spammy

[soft dew]

Slayer Arms is pretty fun to play in dungeons, I like it, less turning plates than Colossus

[sharp goblet]

i just wish ravager and rend weren't a thing

but more so ravager, it's so annoyingly desynced with everything

[soft dew]

Yeah I don't like ravager as a button

[torn rivet]

ravager is a stupid ability

[soft dew]

If it were like protection's, why not

[torn rivet]

people complain "oh bladestorm is so fun man, as if watching a 3s cinematic on loop"

Yeah, well at least it feels cool.

[pine fable]

it shoul be included in anger management lol so its always synced with avatar

[sharp goblet]

bladestorm also feels bad to me 🤷‍♂️ I much prefer Avatar (on fury)

[soft dew]

It's pretty short on fury

But I get your point

I never understood the whole concept of slayer having better ST and having to play Bladestorm

It's just weird to use in ST

[torn rivet]

imagine if colossus stacks worked on bladestorm to the point where instead of affecting demolish it would affect bladestorm

and demolish removed from the game

[sharp goblet]

at least there's some interplay, execute to reduce bladestorm cd, it still desyncs but cdr makes it feel better

[soft dew]

Yeah

[sharp goblet]

i felt good pressing demolish tbh, though the tank (friend) trolled me every time 😅

[soft dew]

I like colo and Demolish, just not having 1000 buttons to press and track

[sharp goblet]

i wonder what the overall hardest hitting ability is across all specs

%scaling wise

[pine fable]

i wish it was slam /s

[ashen trout]

did any chads calculate the % of this buff for ST/multi on tuesday?

[steep osprey]

Hmm

[sharp goblet]

i'm thinking maybe glacial spike

[steep osprey]

Devourer one?

Crashing Star

[sharp goblet]

i think it's not that high baseline but dmg % stacks make it hit super hard; might be the hardest hitting one in actual numbers, but was wondering about the cooeficient

[steep osprey]

I see

The survival CD?

I forgot its name

[sharp goblet]

something of the pack leader?

[steep osprey]

No

It's a new ability

[gentle gyro]

Is it just me or Demolish is complete dogshit in midnight?

[steep osprey]

It's not complete dogshit but it's worse than it was in TWW

[old glacier]

Did chimaerus as arms it was slightly sad.

[steep osprey]

And that's mainly due to Cleave just doing insane amounts of damage

If you want a demolish buff

They'd have to nerf Cleave

[median crag]

slayer will be interesting after wednesday

[steep osprey]

@sharp goblet broomstick?

[sharp goblet]

Howl of the Pack Leader is 1440%, glacial showing 1300% (and demolish being 550+550+1250), Takedown (survival CD) is 1200%

[steep osprey]

Damn lol

So it's boar

[pine geode]

does anybody have a nice bcdm profile?

[steep osprey]

Well demolish would win overall

So how is it bad lol

It's just that cleave does insane damage

[latent moss]

is that ap% with 10 cm stacks

[sharp goblet]

boomstick is 600*4, wailing arrow is 1400, those are the top dogs in general; so demolish and boomstick are pretty evenly matched as most overall

[sharp goblet]

it doesn't affect base AP, afaik it's just a multiplier later - was just wondering about what blizz made the hardest scaling ability overall

[slow saddle]

100%

Its not hard

[latent moss]

yeah its a multiplier i got them mixed up

[slow saddle]

B.lizzard

A cd that never aligns naturally is a bad thing

[latent moss]

ig demo is the biggest on st then?

[slow saddle]

Who wouldda thought

[latent moss]

2350

[steep osprey]

Cleave really skews the perception of Demolish

[latent moss]

or do you only count last hit

[sharp goblet]

theoretically reapers mark is the hardest scaler for a single hit - goes up to like 2k% with max (40) stacks

but yea demo seems to win on ST overall (not accounting for other buffs like collapsing star stacking)

[steep osprey]

I like how devourer plays

Theoretically

Haven't tried it

[latent moss]

demo has what 50% from cm 20% from ava and potentially 50% from cs

in terms of buffing it with all cds

50% from cs is nuts tho

need to somehow have 5 stacks of apex tho xd

[sharp goblet]

feels real good to smack that Nexus Point boss during dmg phase

for like a million

[steep osprey]

It would be nice if Demolish was more frequent

But alas

[latent moss]

in aoe it is

[sharp goblet]

but they would have to drop the free cleaves

otherwise cleave city

[steep osprey]

Cleave needs a 20% nerf

Minimum

[latent moss]

idk i like crushing combo

[forest eagle]

Arms pumping man wtf

[slow saddle]

I mean then we are behind rest of mass aoers

[sharp goblet]

if we ignore boss dps, yea

[latent moss]

[torpid acorn]

Bladestorm is the mandatory fury ability to rest your fingers a bit before your hand explodes

[latent moss]

just pull 2 adds on top of boss and u gap them on st too

[forest eagle]

Yea true, just bring a good st class with u in dungeon and we gucci

[forest eagle]

HAHAHA YEAAA

[latent moss]

run st in m+ gear then run 3t and look at prio target damage

it legit doubles

[slow saddle]

Uhdk + arms is lovely

[steep osprey]

We gotta stop this ST sucks thing

It isn't shit anymore

[latent moss]

depends who you compare it to

[slow saddle]

I meean

[latent moss]

but its not an issue

and wont be as long as our aoe stays this absurd

which it seems like it will

[slow saddle]

U catch badluck i compete with.monk tank

Our rage issues are real no shammie

[steep osprey]

I don't think so

[latent moss]

prio sd (which you should anyway as its a dps increase)

and its not bad

[sharp goblet]

we got a frost mage, generally we're pretty close on overall (I beat him tho) but he shits on me on ST, but then an aoe boss comes along (magisters squid) and arms feels so good to play

[latent moss]

ye or the 3t seat boss

arms 3t is just unreal rn

[slow saddle]

Y

[sharp goblet]

i beat him on cleave too, though not sure I should

[slow saddle]

I wonder why😅

[steep osprey]

Arms is no longer a 2 target spec

[latent moss]

colo 2t is very good

its just not the 2t champion they promised us arms will be

[slow saddle]

Yes but at 3 all gets activated

[latent moss]

the damage increase from going from 1t to 2t is insane

as colo

ur dmg more than doubles iirc

[slow saddle]

If fervor was 2 targets

[steep osprey]

Who promised this lol

No one did

[latent moss]

blizzard

they said

[sharp goblet]

o yeah, not saying it in the sense that it needs to be buffed, just like don't look at single target dps, look at overall hahaha

[latent moss]

they want arms to be a 2t champion

[slow saddle]

Mr B.lizzard

[latent moss]

tbh id rather

have ok st and absurd aoe

than good both like fury

[torpid acorn]

Blizzar D. Entertainment

[latent moss]

cause u never excel at anything

[stable fiber]

i dont think its shit even this week

[latent moss]

is gaze simming like shit for you too

mr khawarr

[stable fiber]

i havent simmed arms

a single time

[latent moss]

gg

[stable fiber]

i just throw shit on and go

but i can check

[sharp goblet]

warrior mindset 🗿

[latent moss]

heart is 1.5% for me and gaze is 0.2% over 263 solarflare

as m+ colo on st

[stable fiber]

ye let me chekc

[latent moss]

plume and heart simming through the roof

[sharp goblet]

i heroic leap on cd in M+, any mechanic is an excuse to heroic leap

[brisk orbit]

I got this void contract trinket from seat. If i macro it to CS, it looks like the tirnket dmg may be going off before the CS actually lands. anyone have experience?

[stable fiber]

my arms sims are gonna be fucked lmao

[latent moss]

ye unequip it xdd

[steep osprey]

Void contract was crazy in Legion when everything buffed it up lol

Unfortunate

[sharp goblet]

is there any decent dungeon trinket?

[latent moss]

give me heart please

solarflare

and puzzy b

[steep osprey]

Puzzy b lmao

[slow saddle]

Puzzy b coz col isnt clunky enuff as id!!

[brisk orbit]

all i have are the heart of wind and the Glorious Crusades keepsake at 263. So i think it may still be my better option, idk

[latent moss]

tho i refuse to run it

heart of wind is good too

[stable fiber]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o8Z74iTTgdWJM765HHAwzm
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jS1K6CggYj1o4Gh23y6jte
@latent moss

[steep osprey]

I remember when dungeon trinkets were better than raid ones

[sharp goblet]

i wonder if that hook thing is any good; I got saptors paw and hero drums lol

[stable fiber]

solarflare is +155

over gaze

and that is the only trinket that sims as a upgrade

is solarflare

[latent moss]

so ig gaze jsut sucks for arms

[steep osprey]

What does solar flare do

[stable fiber]

crit

[latent moss]

like 50% uptime on 200 something crit

[stable fiber]

more crit during execute

[latent moss]

that scales with missing hp

[steep osprey]

Ok

[stable fiber]

it makes sense that its better tbh

[latent moss]

this is at 263

[stable fiber]

i dont have much crit

[latent moss]

ye

esp as colo

[stable fiber]

sim isnt using crit flask either

nvm i lied

[latent moss]

crit merchant hero talent

hello did ur mortal strike crit?

no? 0 dmg

[stable fiber]

only 155 dps though

not much

[steep osprey]

You didn't lie, you were mistaken

[latent moss]

its good for me cause im not raiding this tier so i cant really get it unless vault

[steep osprey]

I'm not playing this tier

[latent moss]

i just need to get lucky on heart

and plume

and its gg

is vorasius mythic puggable

[stable fiber]

dont think so

[steep osprey]

This raid seems a lot easier than usual

[stable fiber]

you need the god pug

[latent moss]

fuark

[stable fiber]

vorasius damage check is real

[steep osprey]

You're real

[latent moss]

ye but it will get easier surely

[stable fiber]

next week maybe

[latent moss]

i will try this week

also the first boss trinket

simming like crazy for me too

lights w/e

[stable fiber]

guidon?

[latent moss]

ye

[sharp goblet]

m+ too in general, it feels better tho, like you don't need 16 aoe stuns (and other stuff on different DRs) per pull

[stable fiber]

heavy haste trinket seems not bad in m+

[latent moss]

lowk as colo u just macro it to ravager probably

[stable fiber]

lines up with ravager

yeah

[latent moss]

ravager is ur biggest cd besides juiced cs from apex

[steep osprey]

Yeah they said that was their goal

To ease up on all these stuns etc

[sharp goblet]

sry, i just went in raw on exp, but it's very noticable

[latent moss]

i like this season but

algethar is painfuk

[steep osprey]

You don't need as much interrupts either

[latent moss]

u need to pull the entire dungeon man

and last pull is so kanker

[sharp goblet]

i don't wanna play fury because it's mass aoe very often

and as fury u just rampage and tb

[latent moss]

i dont wanna play fury cause its a boring ass spec

[sharp goblet]

stupid ass shit

[latent moss]

ramp tb ramp rb ramp tc ramp tc ramp tc

hooooly rotation

and slayer is somehow even worse

[steep osprey]

Spamming Cleave isn't boring

[latent moss]

u spam cleave on opener

[stable fiber]

cleave atleast hits for 300k

and you feel yourself going up on details

you dont feel that shit on fury all im saying

[latent moss]

idk i think with colo they nailed aoe minus some cbt stuff like rend upkeep and ravager not syncing with anything

i like the flow of cleave -> ms -> op -> cleave -> op -> ms -> cleave

[sharp goblet]

using cleave on single target is yikes tho

[latent moss]

rejoice

its dead

besides during ravager

[sharp goblet]

yes it all goes back to ravager

[latent moss]

that one will be hard to kill

[sharp goblet]

shit ability

[steep osprey]

I think ravager should be Automatic

[slow saddle]

If rav was passive on ava would be win tbh

[steep osprey]

When you press avatar

[sharp goblet]

ye

[latent moss]

at that point just put mbg on ava

[steep osprey]

But they should nerf the Cleave damage bonus

Since it's more frequent

[slow saddle]

Ofc

Tune accordingly

[latent moss]

ye and thats my issue

u would have to reduce the impact of mbg

[slow saddle]

I mean no

[latent moss]

the multiplier i mean

[slow saddle]

U could also nerf cleave

[sharp goblet]

actually nvm i just realized i hate pressing slam more than cleave on ST

[latent moss]

axaxxa ye

slam is dead too

u just exe

[sharp goblet]

😎

[latent moss]

on reset

[sharp goblet]

now that's an ability

[latent moss]

in execute phase ye

outside u slam still

[old glacier]

Are oozing vestige or Latch's crooked hook decent in m+?

[tacit sandal]

Should we sim as dungeon slice for m+ or?

[dim basalt]

Dslice is not being maintained for Arms, just sim patchwork with more targets

[mortal rivet]

I want slam to be permanently dead

[median crag]

^

[river ridge]

IMO just sim single target. You still need damage so that bosses die in a timely manner, even if Arms's ST is poop

[mortal rivet]

I can’t believe they did a pruning and left the most boring useless button alive

[river ridge]

Weird way to spell hamstring

[mortal rivet]

We haven’t used hamstring rotationally since classic

[misty bridge]

hamstring was useful on the explosive affix

when that was a thing

[minor gust]

Slam is fine in midnight. It's got the apex and multiple talents working with it. Next patch slam will be applying DW too

[slow saddle]

Yup

Cleave nerf👌

[quiet bramble]

are we omega back?

[stable fiber]

🐌

super 🐌

[quiet bramble]

cmon

[soft dew]

That part is already live mate

[stable fiber]

been live for 5 days

xdd

[quiet bramble]

oh

mb guys

[soft dew]

We got another coming, just read #updates-midnight

[thick kelp]

@minor gust how much dps are u ending crown p1 at

[vast helm]

any attacks can trigger APEX talent maybe better

[steep osprey]

Yeah that would be nice but it would also make AoE even stronger

[thick hamlet]

who knows what's the difference between eyes of the eagle enchant ranks?

[old glacier]

It makes our m+ ST at least not tank tier anymore!

I feel like i accidentally desync my cooldowns quite a few times in m+ runs.

[steep osprey]

What CDS?

I think CS and Avatar should be synced

Since they're dynamic

but something like Ravager is gonna be desynced sometimes because it's 1.5

[old glacier]

Yeah

[steep osprey]

Demolish too

Possibly

[minor gust]

It's super rng af but if I recall somewhere around 160 or 170k

[wind hatch]

same

assuming the brainlet hunter in my raid doesnt get the first set of arrows and fucks them up

[minor gust]

I think it's worth if the final ad usually has a ton of blobs to maybe hold your cooldowns and try and steal that pad damage when you swap to the third ad

[thick kelp]

jesus fuck I procced on this pull then?

[minor gust]

Yeah I think highest I've hit 200 maybe 210. It's really RNG that's what sucks

[steep osprey]

What font is that

[minor gust]

Get some good sudden death. Procs the moment there's a ton of blobs

Getting bladestorm to come back at the right moment

[steep osprey]

do be like that

[hushed pine]

Boys, what is the best wep enchant

[sullen stirrup]

Raiders.com

Raidbots. Com

[thick kelp]

meeres font

[steep osprey]

oh okay

man got his own font