So addin 3.5% st.helps what🤣
#arms
slow saddle
hot current
Also i feel like in m+ so damn weak... Like we dont have st as colo at all, and on top of that we have to take 7 aoe talents around cleave... Kinda feel like colo is the worst possible spot ever, in the entire tww felt better than this
slow saddle
I mean i like col
thick hamlet
and difference between 94k and 120/130k is 25%
thick hamlet
my point is that sims don't always reflect ingame
slow saddle
And weakness
Do u know
I do
So as fury i did a 99% parse at 253 73k did a 91% parse as dk 255 at 80k
Fury includes loads of pad
Fury does more than arms
By a decent amojnt
Dk is super volatile so look onøy at top 95%
Rest is irrelavant
Remove any add dmg as its based on raid comp and greed
hot current
So addin 3.5% st.helps what🤣
But i am happy that we got more buffs in one week than arms has got in the 3rd tier of tww. (Only 8% when we needed 48%)
fossil lynx
the design is pretty good
scenic umbra
Could be much better
MS overload of buffs to hit 70k bcs it doesnt crit
Colossus hits like a wet noddle
slow saddle
Design is good
scenic umbra
Doesnt feel like an executr class
slow saddle
Imho
scenic umbra
Etc etc
slow saddle
Lack rage
scenic umbra
Rend....
fossil lynx
You are talking damage numbers, you don't know what design means
scenic umbra
Ofc its design
scenic umbra
MS is our main skill should feel good to press
scenic umbra
No its not
slow saddle
Feels good
scenic umbra
Still bad
slow saddle
Nah feels good
scenic umbra
Crits of 250K or normal hit 30K
slow saddle
Pls stfu with auto critd and shit
scenic umbra
Thats not burst
slow saddle
Pressure profile intp better sub 35%
slow saddle
I mean i play uh as well
slow saddle
Thats variance m8
scenic umbra
Yeah great butst
slow saddle
Get more crir%
scenic umbra
Burst
untold pewter
Arms has been like this for so long
This whole "MS should feel good" comes from where exactly? Classic?
steep osprey
What the hell is this conversation
scenic umbra
Man no class has a 30-250k variance
In any skills
Makes you way less reliable in progress content
And annoying to play
slow saddle
Fdk a non empowered obl, vs fully empowered
untold pewter
Man no class has a 30-250k variance
This is false
It's absolutely not exclusive to Arms
slow saddle
Like super false
steep osprey
I don't know if that's true. In a full boss encounter, it averages out. If Arms is well tuned and has that variance, it would still be fine
untold pewter
That's the next point
Not every MS will crit but it will average out
That's why sims are mostly accurate
slow saddle
Also we removed the 60% op buff to ms
untold pewter
Yes you can high roll but that's the exception
slow saddle
So less variance now than earlier?
scenic umbra
Yeah average out in a 20s add
slow saddle
On a per try basis yes
scenic umbra
Xd
scenic umbra
Then
umbral linden
imho arms is badly designed, but not everywhere
the probs are:
- sd and arms's slayer overall
- rage generation (like damn paladins can multitarget auto and ARMS war cant)
- the worst one imho - lack of overlapping mechanics, like arms only has the 3target free slam, while most of other specs have like everything inside everything, so arms is feeling kinda clunky
other things are pretty good
slow saddle
I said proc playstyle is pretty good
Painpoints are tuning
Like weak af ms
And rage
For me
fossil lynx
Rage is fine as slayer I'd say, it's a colo problem
slow saddle
I mean consider
rare kite
it is true tho that it would be nice to get some more ms crits. the variance is poretty disgusting
scenic umbra
Absolute yapping
untold pewter
I like the current playstyle too
Numbers are wacky
Rage is fine imo I don't like when rage is cosmetic
scenic umbra
Playatyle is good
slow saddle
I like the current playstyle too
Numbers are wacky
Rage is fine imo I don't like...
Issue is execute
scenic umbra
But could be way better
untold pewter
Yes I hate weak execute
rare kite
I like the current playstyle too
Numbers are wacky
Rage is fine imo I don't like...
cosmetic rage over starvation anyday
untold pewter
I don't care about MS damage variance
Irrelevant on a pull per pull
slow saddle
Id like op to obtain rage
umbral linden
always found funny that fury got rage generation inside builders, while arms literally got no buttons to generate rage
and that would be acceptable if arms got some auto-attack talents, besides one class tree tal
slow saddle
In execute
fossil lynx
I like the current playstyle too
Numbers are wacky
Rage is fine imo I don't like...
I could agree but then you should have leverage in how you use it, not simply being fucked and have downtime if you don't generate enough
untold pewter
cosmetic rage over starvation anyday
I'm ok with starvation, if the tuning doesn't make that make you weak
steep osprey
always found funny that fury got rage generation inside builders, while arms lit...
That's a design choice
untold pewter
I could agree but then you should have leverage in how you use it, not simply be...
I miss charge weaving, it's nice
rare kite
if i cannot press something all the time i think the design is flawed
scenic umbra
I miss charge weaving, it's nice
Ew
steep osprey
if i cannot press something all the time i think the design is flawed
I don't think you have to press something every time
umbral linden
if i cannot press something all the time i think the design is flawed
uhm actually yes
imagine skipping gcd in wow 2026
untold pewter
It's literally just preference
What matters at the end of the day is the DPS we do
Not if we skip a gcd or not
rare kite
Clearly you think rage should be infinite, I don't
could be just a spell that doesn't cost anything. i just want to press something at all times, waiting for rage is boring
untold pewter
Execute feels bad rn, idk how they messed that up this bad
slow saddle
Execute feels bad rn, idk how they messed that up this bad
40 rage spender not garantueed op reset
untold pewter
could be just a spell that doesn't cost anything. i just want to press something...
Fair, but just an opinion nonetheless
rare kite
dead globals is just ass no matter what
slow saddle
Thats how
daring heron
I dont think you should rage starve when you use your OP and SD procs properly, but you do
untold pewter
dead globals is just ass no matter what
Nah, I think it's fine
That's how opinions work
daring heron
so current rage sucks imo
slow saddle
I dont think you should rage starve when you use your OP and SD procs properly, ...
Gods forbid u get hs procs
umbral linden
I dont think you should rage starve when you use your OP and SD procs properly, ...
big smart man says smart things
gleaming imp
can you send pics here
steep osprey
Yes
gleaming imp
how did i do xd
slow saddle
So exe should reset op at 100% chance
gleaming imp
magisters terrace 10
rare kite
Nah, I think it's fine
That's how opinions work
yeah to a degree. people like all kinds of stupid things, there are people in here that loved jugg highrolling in tww
insane opinions
slow saddle
Wtf
untold pewter
Kek
umbral linden
for me personally arms lacks some stupid-level narrative ability for class personality
i want them cool autoattacks, multitarget or big and cool, like slayer's hit
im arms warrior damn, let me swing
slow saddle
Jugg was horrid
slow saddle
for me personally arms lacks some stupid-level narrative ability for class perso...
Cleave and demolish
untold pewter
insane opinions
Agreed
Like wanting rage to be cosmetic is an insane opinion for me
slow saddle
Again tuning has fucked arms more than anything
Mid beta, arms was in a good place
Imho
rare kite
Jugg was horrid
yupp. one of the first things i saw when midnight went live was a new guy going "why did they remove stacking execute" so people will actually like anything. if it exists there's someone out there that likes it
gleaming imp
arms doesnt need new abilities or revamped ones
slow saddle
Mid beta dreadnaught was great
untold pewter
I'm not saying rage starving is the best
I'm saying I prefer it over cosmetic rage
The ideal scenario is not rage starving if played right but also not having surplus rage all the time
slow saddle
I'm not saying rage starving is the best
I'm saying I prefer it over cosmetic ra...
So we need a way outside aa to gain rage
wet zinc
are all the guides up to date or which one should i go by for talents and rotation?
rare kite
Like wanting rage to be cosmetic is an insane opinion for me
preferably it would be that if you played optimal you get no dead globals but if you fuck up you do. atleast makes it a skill thing
rare kite
yeah that would be ideal. the difference between you and me is you prefer starving over cosmetic, i prefer cosmetic over starving
blizzard finding a balance is rough
untold pewter
(But I do enjoy charge weaving, you can call that an insane opinion) lmao
slow saddle
I prefer cosmetic rage 100-35% if that gives me decent gameplay in execute
untold pewter
It's just fun 
slow saddle
But being rage starved pre execute playing correctly...
daring heron
(But I do enjoy charge weaving, you can call that an insane opinion) lmao
charge weaving is fucked up without swingtimer
untold pewter
It is
slow saddle
And again charge weavin deffo not plan of makin shit simpler
untold pewter
I like when you can squeeze a charge here or there flowing through mechanics
That does not fix the rage issue at all though
And certainly doesn't help with our DPS
It's just a fun gimmick imo
I agree it doesn't make shit simpler but tbh I don't care about making shit simpler
slow saddle
They did some janky shit
Tactician was based on rage
Now its flat %
Hurts resets via exe
Which means in gen increased rage use
Op used to give rage
Sub 35%
Also they cut our aa rage input
😅, wonder why we starve
untold pewter
I'd like rage to be cosmetic inside execute and require proper play outside of execute
Execute, imo, should feel rewarding
Some folks don't like needing to wait for execute to do damage but I used to love "the climb" in exe
In raids, ofc
slow saddle
Either we proc based spec, or we need to make desicions based on rage
Like before in sl + 60 rage exe sub slam
Op
Now i gotta ignore a proc or pray the 30% in my favor or im starved
untold pewter
Yeah it's not nice
tired sinew
i just feel rend should do something baseline.. be it give rage or give procs.. should smooth out somehting.. rend is like 0 interaction
slow saddle
Wdym rend has talent for rage
tired sinew
hence baseline
untold pewter
It's essentially baseline
untold pewter
Yeah lmao
slow saddle
Just give rend good old 10% crit dmg
That way we actually like havin it on
It rly is that simple🤣
untold pewter
Yep
untold pewter
Yeah juggernaut wasn't the TWW clown gaming
slow saddle
Still want it gone
Coz sd should always fuck
Heck sd should prob be 100% crit chance
Big fackin number coomin right up
Man im a simple guy
untold pewter
Dude yes
untold pewter
And that's how it used to be
Idk what the heck they're trying to accomplish with Arms
slow saddle
Op + dreadnaught being crazy ofc is a better dmg profile
Also
Recklessness
How is that not arms
20% crit + 25% rage
untold pewter
As expected and foreseen right upon announcement, Blizz doesn't have the IQ/manpower to do hero talents, remove this shit
slow saddle
Its made for arms
slow saddle
As expected and foreseen right upon announcement, Blizz doesn't have the IQ/manp...
Not for all
To me it would be simple tiers
Should force 1 hero spec in raid per season
Force as in at least bettrr
By a bit
I want a col tier st
gleaming imp
How is that not arms
It makes more sense on fury
gleaming imp
Cause they are more reckless berserkers xd
fossil lynx
it's being fury since 2004
slow saddle
it's being fury since 2004
Arms had bladestorm for ages as well
slow saddle
it's being fury since 2004
Arms had it as well
In talents for a good perioed
In df?
fossil lynx
Should force 1 hero spec in raid per season
hero talents is the worst system ever introduced in a long time followed by the DF talent trees. They just make every single spec a buff stacking mess and half of them struggle having to pick between st and aoe
slow saddle
Was fuckin lit. But in normaø blizzard style instead of just tuning the inc rage they cut it
Df talent trees were good
Are good
untold pewter
Yep
fossil lynx
We are complaining constantly (and other specs) about having 0 aoe if you go st and 0 st if you go aoe. You have the DF talents to thank for that
fossil lynx
The defensive and utility overload too
slow saddle
U mean good play being rewarded
Y i liked idiots dieng ngl
Issue is warrior class tree filled with dmg nodes
That isnt rly a buff, but forced to be taken, while still doin shit dmg
Also arms doesnt loose insane amounts of st going cleave atm
We just havent got anythin to loose😅
Like if we in gen simmer 20k higher, which would put us at 112k like ret?
We would be fine in collosus
Issue is now they made gap between col and slayer bigger by buffin exe, so the real punishment is hero spec failure
Which could be tuned eaasily
gleaming imp
I dont feel slayer being that much better
Or not better at all even
floral ledge
hi guys, so what' will be our sims after buffs in st
steep osprey
I'm guessing it's a 7-8% buff
slow saddle
I say4
halcyon valve
I say 3% higher
Going by boss damage parses, this is how it looks, so 20% on execute and 10% on OP is 3% and a little bit
steep osprey
at least 3
slow saddle
How much ST dmg does arm do on st boss
Check voracious
With buff prob 1-1 as fury
Only arms less tanky
And requires way more luck
steep osprey
fiishy
leaden garnet
It's okay bros, Arms still only has like 5% of the playerbase as Fury
Blizzard has given us three consecutive buffs, maybe the next three will fix us
fossil quiver
Hows the gameplay ? What is played in m+ between col and slayer ?
I thought it was good in TWW S3, is it worse or same ?
odd ledge
Going by boss damage parses, this is how it looks, so 20% on execute and 10% on ...
Bigger execute = bigger deep wounds
halcyon valve
Thats not how it works
slow saddle
I mean rebuff dw the 33% u stole
For zero reasons?
Not like fury couldnt use the st buff🤣
fresh spire
i think the issue is less about dw and more that execute itself was bad, dw should always be seen as the biproduct of execute and not the main contributior of damage for it. would much rather see colossus bleeds rebuffed substantially so that DW/Mortal wounds has a more impactful part in the spec again instead of just still being purely passive and barely any more damage over slayers.
Tbf i wouldn't mind colossus bleed nodes being fully shot at this point leaving only the demolish one and having returning talents instead such as Exhilerating blows/ Mortal combo in their place while also removing crushing combo as a talent. let exhil make cleave the power house of colossus while buffing and tuning reap for slayer to be powerful from the lesser usage of cleaves overall
naive steeple
Guys, why are you complaining so much about Arms? When I look at Warcraft Logs, the vast majority of the top 1 damage is Arms. I mean, single target is important, but the complete package seems quite strong
limber apex
Look per boss stats. The top arms you see are probably parse farmers
naive steeple
The only thing that makes fury appear so frequently in the logs is the simple fact that it's the most popular class and has a much larger log base.
naive steeple
Look per boss stats. The top arms you see are probably parse farmers
A M+ isn't made up of just bosses
storm canopy
A M+ isn't made up of just bosses
u still want some decent boss dmg no?
naive steeple
u still want some decent boss dmg no?
i want a overall high perfomance
storm canopy
i want a overall high perfomance
fair enough
worldly rivet
Guys, why are you complaining so much about Arms? When I look at Warcraft Logs, ...
Tbf it's just going to take a decent cleave nerf and those DPS logs shoot way down
Arms to me just feels almost entirely reliant on cleave being overtuned to give off the impression it's kit is fine in mythic+ at least
barren rain
Guys, why are you complaining so much about Arms? When I look at Warcraft Logs, ...
could you share a link? anything I see has arms, at best, around average
naive steeple
warcraflogs
latent moss
u still want some decent boss dmg no?
it does somewhat ok pure st. if u can pull mobs on top of a boss arms boss damage skyrockets
naive steeple
could you share a link? anything I see has arms, at best, around average
The only key that doesn't have arms among the top damage dealers is in triumvirate
storm canopy
it does somewhat ok pure st. if u can pull mobs on top of a boss arms boss damag...
ya okay, thanks
latent moss
it does somewhat ok pure st. if u can pull mobs on top of a boss arms boss damag...
you can run st sim and 3t sim then look at the html report and it shows damage to main target
we dont funnel past 3t
barren rain
ah you're right, I was looking at raid like a dumbass lol
naive steeple
ah you're right, I was looking at raid like a dumbass lol
hahahaha it happens
barren rain
it defaults to raid every single time you open the menu so it caught me out
naive steeple
And they're going to buff single target on the 31st... that's a good thing, maybe we'll see a lot more arms around.
barren rain
fingers crossed
I swapped to DK this expac because of how awful arms felt in the pre-patch, then seeing it do garbage numbers just made it worse
I just want to swing a big sword around again
latent moss
One more ms buff
make apex be ms always crits and arms will own
naive steeple
arms are like gigachad
latent moss
arms WILL own
naive steeple
shadow ibex
make apex be ms always crits and arms will own
Add some crit stat scaling
And ill take it
Casting cs should be like loading the requiem with 1 bullet
naive steeple
Arms Warrior is the protagonist of Azeroth
shadow ibex
Blow their shit smoov off
shadow ibex
or mm apex
What is theirs
latent moss
aimed shot always crits
crit damage scales with crit chance
its insane to me that arms didnt get ms always crits for apex
when that has been the biggest pain point for the spec
for expansions now
latent moss
Casting cs should be like loading the requiem with 1 bullet
cs should be a nuclear cast for colo
replace ravager wtih cs does 5000% more damage or something
daring heron
colossus SMASH
shadow ibex
Yea stacking cs dmg
worldly rivet
I swapped to DK this expac because of how awful arms felt in the pre-patch, then...
Blizz is doing below bare minimum for Frost DK
worldly rivet
FDK already got a rework in the last expac
It's probably the worst spec in the game right now damage wise
barren rain
Blizz is doing below bare minimum for Frost DK
wanna guess what spec I chose for DK?
steep osprey
Ok I wasn't talking about damage wise
barren rain
especially given the bugged loot where 2h are the only weapons that drop
but at least frost feels really good to play
even if it's garbage
worldly rivet
Ok I wasn't talking about damage wise
I was referring to the tuning being fixed under the bare minimum by Blizzard. I didn't specify
naive steeple
Add some crit stat scaling
so you want to be like a hunter mm in melee spec? impossible
modern cove
We will still below like 10% our fury mates most of the time? (Besides council)
fresh spire
Frost though only getting 4% is kinda whuh
spring vale
Just go in melee range as MM
I fucking wish mm hunters would go melee range. Mfs love to stand at max range and then grief melees when they get targetted by mobs that leap to the farthest player
fresh spire
Easily need more
shadow ibex
so you want to be like a hunter mm in melee spec? impossible
Stuff after cs cast is all us
Used to get reck after cs cast
narrow flax
Is there anyway to get any of the capes from legion remix or should i start getting FOMO ?
sacred zodiac
get fomo immediately
flat willow
don't worry in 5 or 10 years they'll bring them back
narrow flax
in legion remix classic
fresh spire
Likely will appear in the monthy thing
Uhh trader tenders
When they run out of ideas
turbid warren
out of the loop, how comp dependant is arms rn? Im just doing 10-12s atm but dunno what the best choice is when pugging, arms or fury
i got 2pc if that matters
pure wren
Arms is fine in that bracket with 2-set. Mega bonus points if you can pull things onto a boss.
thorny sierra
Question: Where in this discord would I post findings for optimizations to the warrior APL? (if any discovered?). Is this the current area?
steep osprey
Lmao
steep osprey
On the shaman discord
YOU THINK?!
mortal rivet
Question: Where in this discord would I post findings for optimizations to the w...
What optimizations?
thorny sierra
like findings that yield superior DPS to the current iteration/meta
latent moss
like findings that yield superior DPS to the current iteration/meta
shaman discord
people who find apl optimizations for warrior send them here and we check them out and send to archi to push to simc
hoooly goat spotted
blazing arrow
Any chance arms will be on par with fury in m+ on Tuesday?
latent moss
already is
boreal remnant
arms was already probably doing more overall than fury, it was very good in aoe
it just lacked any relevant st
shadow ibex
Those are st buffs
boreal remnant
yes
blazing arrow
I see
slow saddle
out of the loop, how comp dependant is arms rn? Im just doing 10-12s atm but dun...
Choose fury. Avg ppl thimk furys better
slow saddle
Those are st buffs
I mean the exe is irrelevant as col🤣
So its 10% op, which doenst change much
We are just 2 far behind in st
shadow ibex
I stopped believing they would give colossus st
slow saddle
I mean arms in gen
Have vs top classes shit st
Consider if arms was tuned st just hmm 115k st
Raid great for arms
shadow ibex
We have 1 raid hero spec 1 m+ hero spec
slow saddle
Like we tuned so poorly spec cant compensate
Raid spec also bad
Its simply tuned so far behind
regal dragon
how the next buffs lookin?
mild sierra
Makes Arms more viable for Alleria ig
slow saddle
Doesnt fix overall st dmg
sharp goblet
i didn't crunch the numbers, but I feel like OP is what, a 1% gain on ST? and execute seems decent for slayer
slow saddle
When u start out at 72k
And top spec is 130k
Its near imp 2 catch up
Esp in a raid where what we do matches well
split zinc
Buff MS another 12%
unborn canyon
nah, buff the whole spec 30%
split zinc
I’d kill for 20%
unborn canyon
slow saddle
I play 1
regal dragon
i only play warrior everything is very boring
slow saddle
Dk bad 1 day
spark dawn
Hello everyone wanted to do a second class and never played war arms ! Spells seems great to use so i want to test it !
Actually only 80 will do the leveling with Collossus and also learn the rotation.
For my understanding, i keep rend everytime and refresh 4 then cleave as prio over MS (in multi)
Overpower proc is when ? thanks
slow saddle
B0000m big buff
slow saddle
🤣
steep osprey
By a decent margin
slow saddle
Like arms was?
flat willow
nah cuz arms at least had decent aoe
steep osprey
Yep
slow saddle
I mean it did still 110k in sims?
flat willow
the sims were bugged
slow saddle
Also grips are legit good
slow saddle
All bosses kek
flat willow
it does a lot of single target
steep osprey
Why did they buff survival when it's number 2 lol
regal dragon
fury it still is then
flat willow
at the cost of doing pretty bad aoe/switch
steep osprey
Opposite of arms btw
slow saddle
The aoe is good if u have cds
mortal rivet
Why did they buff devourer last week lol
Can’t have the new spec doing poorly
flat willow
it's like when they release a new champion in league of legends
it gotta be overtuned for a while so people start maining it
flat willow
it's like when death knight released
just doing double the damage of some other specs
flat willow
they didn't suck so badly to not realize death knight was destroying everything
sharp goblet
i mean when monk released it was fairly mid, dh as well? I expected devourer to suck when announced honestly
flat willow
monks weren't bad when they released them
steep osprey
I mean they did nerf dk in wotlk because of the performance though
flat willow
dh had the problem of needing the legendary
i think it was a ring that gave them infinite rage
or whatever their ressource is called
steep osprey
Yeah this whole "new class therefore has to be overtuned" is just unfounded
It was only a thing for dks in wotlk
sharp goblet
monks were fine, but not overperforming iirc (on live); were kinda nuts in pvp tho
steep osprey
Devourer is a spec, not a class too
I'd understand making a new class a bit strong
But not a spec
sharp goblet
new class = more boosts
ashen trout
ayo gamers, on ST do you ever delay your CS to make sure your demolish is in the window? i've been having some situations come up where they get desynced, for colossus arms ofc
gusty oxide
These buffs are mainly ST and cleave....ishhh? , And marginal in aoe situations
tall socket
remember when augment came out and there was not a cap to how many augments could buff a single person so they started nearly 1 shoting mythic Aberrus bosses by turkey stuffing 2 unholy DKs with the buffs of 15 Evokers and watching them tear the bosses appart
copper swan
do we press slam in m+ ?
sick crown
Bis comp for arms! 
hushed pine
Seat 15
sick crown
3 lizards
dim basalt
Seat isnt as bad as you may think
flat willow
the scalies are at it again
dim basalt
NPX and AA feel like a nightmare
hushed pine
You're right, it's worse than I remember 
dim basalt
Seat start is hell for tank, and endboss is bad for healer
Other than that its chill
Especially the timer is so forgiving
hushed pine
Okay I'll give you this, the change to L'ura is nice
Everything else I still don't like 9 years later
dim basalt
Pit still by far the easiest dungeon
hushed pine
NPX and AA feel like a nightmare
Have you seen the Dratnos clip from NPX
dim basalt
Im surprised it wasnt buffed
dim basalt
Have you seen the Dratnos clip from NPX
I dont think so?
hushed pine
Final boss, he asks his shammy to spirit link during intermission. He just leaps into the adds and aoe kicks them, group dies instantly lmao
dim basalt
I hate the last boss so much
Like why can two clones spawn like 1mm away from each other
sick crown
Especially the timer is so forgiving
We had like 1,5 min left with 3 deaths, it felt closer then it should also the comp isnt the greatest
dim basalt
We 2-chested a +13 while trashtalking the entire run
+14 is prob still 2-chestable for us
Even with our comp being pwar rdruid enh sub spriest
latent moss
NPX and AA feel like a nightmare
fuck npx
dim basalt
They better nerf left wing of NPX
brisk orbit
2 questions for colossus, and desynced cds.
Is demo only used during CS, period?
How long can i hold one for the other (demo and CS)?
shadow ibex
Yea colossus cs should just do like 67 million dmg
copper swan
brisk orbit
there are times where i cs with a buffed demo ready in like 15 seconds, sometimes i cant get the cdr to fit it in that cs. still hold it for the next cs?
soft gust
If you can cast it in the window then send it, if not then dont
brisk orbit
ok, ty
odd ledge
si
rain anchor
ty
mild dagger
Hey everyone. For m+ now (and given the execute buffs) should I be running slayer for keys or am I still rocking colossus?
minor gust
Hey everyone. For m+ now (and given the execute buffs) should I be running slaye...
Play whatever you want both are doing pretty good. Colo still better tho.
slow saddle
Jeus
fleet spindle
Colo for that 5% size increase you gigachad
slow saddle
PLAYING UHDK
Can we agree that on Colo
when i send Avatar
i should also auto cast RAV
would 100% make it feel way better
also it COULD buff
MS 50% or Cleave 50%
so if st it still had value
spring vale
i should also auto cast RAV
Bro more than that give us the prot trait where aa can proc a mini rav
slow saddle
consider on arms
it opens cleave up
but u want cs up and avatar
so having randomly it NOT coomin in cds would be horrid
slow saddle
that is why
i wanted rave passively
on avatar 😄
coz when i avatar, i want to fuck
Hear me out, what IF avatar on COL give MS half the CD and 50% more ms dmg
so basicly u just OP - MS -op MS
spam that ms almost
spring vale
So like how thane prot gets to tclap shield tclap shield?
slow saddle
yeah
i mean it is simple
but it would help Col's ST as lot
as it would keep up WB longer in st
and the benefit of naked ms hits
both are things we like 😛
storm pendant
What if avatar make you summon 3 avatars like babarian in diablo
cosmic shale
I imagine the rage starvation
slow saddle
ppl play slayer
in 10-12s
but if u ask if its as good no its not
but its still ok
and u can easily get by doing ok dmg
shadow ibex
No amount of procs or cdr will make slayer a real spec
warped spade
but if u ask if its as good no its not
depends, 10-12s have some special kind of people.. slayer is more ST for bosses, which may make the key smoother
slow saddle
not a lot more st though is it?
slow saddle
y well 4p matters alot
warped spade
dont bother even comparing until you get it 😂
you can't compare to other classes but you can compare colo to slayer. it's also relevant for people who currently dont have the set
rigid sun
is colossus still the best m+ spec?
steep osprey
Yeah, arms aoe is crazy
kind thunder
i swear playing ungeared nightmare prey on arms is the closest thing to lvling warrior in classic
frosty mist
Is arms back on the menu for raiding
Id rather play no m+ then colo and relying on tanks to pixelstack packs for me
icy atlas
Is arms back on the menu for raiding
Id rather play no m+ then colo and relying...
For like... one fight (Paladins). I think people are expecting the buff to also make it decent on Vorasius.
fleet spindle
playing arms off the bat, even through the bad rep at launch, i just broke 2500io pugging keys. LONG LIVE ARMS
vapid spire
Its funny when you scroll through different spec channels
Arms : Talking about stuff
Fury : WE ANGRY
Prot : Talking about strats
eager sable
playing arms off the bat, even through the bad rep at launch, i just broke 2500i...
Unfathomably powerful gamer
fleet spindle
Ty lol 🔥 carry the warriors spirit in your heart my fellow arms players, and there is no challenge you wont be able to overcome
old glacier
I just like having an actual defensive.
God damn, people out there getting catalists out the wazoo. Haven't gotten a single one since I hit 4 piece.
frosty mist
God damn, people out there getting catalists out the wazoo. Haven't gotten a sin...
yeah, grinding critters wont award those, u need to do stuff that rewards vaultslots. atleast thats what i heared
fleet spindle
Got 3 272 vault slots this upcoming tuesday we eating good
old glacier
yeah, grinding critters wont award those, u need to do stuff that rewards vaults...
Yeah done a bunch of m+ and bountiful delves.
kind thunder
Ty lol 🔥 carry the warriors spirit in your heart my fellow arms players, and th...
just for u drakula
frosty mist
Got 3 272 vault slots this upcoming tuesday we eating good
fine dining
odd ledge
sheesh we dont have it easy huh?
fleet spindle
lol yeah
i found if you set a message to the leader when you apply like "pushing my io score, will sweat to time this key" it helps a little bit. seems if you arent fury its auto deny atm
earnest tendon
its the same with fury x)
fleet spindle
oh rip
fleet spindle
dw tho, they'll take the devourer demon hunter that dies 6+ times, doesnt release, and types while dead meanwhile you top overall dps
eager sable
Had an app to my 10 by a rogue who put in note "CHAMPION, HAVE THOU NEED FOR A ROGUE ON YOUR JOURNEY?"
So I insta-picked him for being a chad RPer. Dude spoke in-character the whole run. Bro was the best rogue I've played with in years.
The note/message leader tech works, imo
fervent cedar
lil augy brew action on +10 maisara as slayer arms
slayer kinda fucks ngl
no 4pc my trinkets suck
fleet spindle
Had an app to my 10 by a rogue who put in note "CHAMPION, HAVE THOU NEED FOR A R...
lol what chad, mustve been a fun run
fleet spindle
ppl dont inv us because they are scared to lose on st
this tuesday gonna be big for us with the overpower and execute buff, already performing decently atm
fervent cedar
slayer is gonna go stupid mode with that execute buff
fleet spindle
im curious, ive only been running colo for m+. do you think slayer m+ will be superior? atm colo does very well
odd ledge
i think slayer will be less aoe but still the better all around spec
if you want both aoe and st
fervent cedar
less aoe but better single target (nominally)
with the execute buffs, could maybe be an overall better pick
colo aoe is just absurd tho
fleet spindle
colo aoe when the tank pulls 2-3 packs, you charge in with ravager, avatar, colo smash, with demolish cleave technology mm mm
i forgor rend as the warm up
eager sable
i forgor rend as the warm up
The foreplay™
latent moss
with the execute buffs, could maybe be an overall better pick
meh i doubt it
the buff isnt that big cause u dont get to press execute a lot
compared to raid slayer
fleet spindle
plus colo gets the 5% increase size buff which increases your aura
latent moss
true
night peak
does champion's spear see any use in m+?
nova marsh
Spear hasn't been run for arms since shadowlands
fleet spindle
ive only seen prot warriors use it
polar portal
Thematically I like the idea of throwing a spear that makes me do more crit damage
In practice it's annoying because the tank might want to move
nova marsh
I mean that dosen't matter now, no?
untold trench
To be fair, what was mentioned was theme, not current effect
nova marsh
actually no it dosen't it dosen't do crit dam anymore
polar portal
Yeah we don't have the talent anymore
cedar frigate
Anyone know how big the DPS gain from tier set is?
untold trench
I never liked the idea of a warrior 'rune of power' thing
nova marsh
I don't think many did tbh
polar portal
In PVP it was pretty fucking funny though
shadow ibex
the buff isnt that big cause u dont get to press execute a lot
More ms buffs
Not this baby execute shit
lament marlin
im probably late, but will the 31 march changes make slayer the best pick for m+?^^
latent moss
no
lament marlin
sus from a person with colossus in username 
mortal rivet
Isn’t slayer solidly behind in aoe
surreal lodge
Is arms competitive with fury on tuesday if you have 4 set?
I was only like 6k behind on sims this week between the two specs
nova marsh
Realistically fury is still better
polar portal
It's a ~4% buff I think
maiden moat
i think arms will be better at Nexus king and paladins, but all other bosses fury will beat arms still
lament marlin
im also late for that i guess because im on-off arms (or war at all) but why tf are most classes pruned to like 5 abilities and we here on arms with a full ass bar of 11 spells in cooldownmanager 😄 you think they will change this is near future
brisk orbit
this is even after getting rid of skullsplitter and roar
crystal jay
can i see some peoples arms action bars and keybinds. im new to arms and wanna see a good optimal way. i know the rotation but my keybinds feel clunky with it
latent moss
sus from a person with colossus in username <:monkahmm:1382590600439664751>
none of these buffs fix the grand canyon on aoe between the 2
crystal jay
these are the keybinds i like to use (pretty new to wow) but let me know if you notice some changes that need to happen for good flow.
sage bison
clicking avatar?
glass compass
If you have a moba background, which I think you might, you may want to consider putting often-used spells on q,e and r such as mortal strike, overpower, and execute. But everyone's different, whatever is comfy
sage bison
ahh
crystal jay
yeah i do. i just swapped so i wasnt sure what was often used yet
see i have no real keybind preference. so im just testing stuff out atm
nova marsh
Holy shit
glass compass
nice one. you'll often find yourself reaching for those- big part of your core rotation, so that would be my recommendation to get you started
nova marsh
This is the griup with the most aura ever
upper sparrow
If you have a moba background, which I think you might, you may want to consider...
I second this.
mild dagger
Are the bonus stats worth it enough to take less than ideal secondary stats?
spring vale
Probably sim angle but speed isnt that big of a deal
shadow ibex
Speed bis
nova marsh
general rule of thumb is don't care about tertierary stats
BUT, on the bright side you could just turn that speed chest into tier
Which might have better satts haven't checked
polar osprey
new here, how is arms in mythics so far?
fleet spindle
pretty damn good imo
fleet spindle
the duality of man
polar osprey
hmmmm okok, im new to it and trying to get it down thank you
nova marsh
Embrace the arms
fleet spindle
for starters, id import archimtiros m+ talents off icey veins. you can be competitive with popular specs no problem
sand totem
So does augs damage count the additional damage it gives to other classes? Cause its mogging everyone else
fervent cedar
in logs, yes
and even then the logs dont even capture all of the damage it grants from specific stat increases, like prescience crit
alpine badger
pretty good balance honestly
floral ledge
how many % dmg we get from this buff guys ?
spring vale
Having to look like a skinny lizard prob worst part about evoker for me
steep osprey
That's the worst part for anyone
sand totem
how many % dmg we get from this buff guys ?
Something like 3-4%
gentle gyro
rose ibex
Having to look like a skinny lizard prob worst part about evoker for me
It wouldnt be so bad if they could wear tmogs
icy mulch
new here, how is arms in mythics so far?
Sadly, better off playing Fury still. Less head ache.
vapid chasm
hi guys, how much dps loss is assisted highlight?
strong void
I believe I read it’s minus -69420 dps
uncut flare
jesus...
rose ibex
new here, how is arms in mythics so far?
Its great
strong void
hi guys, how much dps loss is assisted highlight?
I think it’s like -10% +/- a bit
sand totem
Off of perfect play btw
If youre parsing greens/blues, it'll likely be a dps increase
strong void
Which for me, super easy. For you, super hard. 🤷🏽♂️
uncut flare
what's the best singel target talent build atm?
placid obsidian
for starters, id import archimtiros m+ talents off icey veins. you can be compet...
The archon tierlist looks alot beter tbh
Also has more data
fleet spindle
we're almost the least popular spec lol, some pugs ive joined said "wow an arms warrior in the wild"
13.8% are frost mage... sheesh
i guess thats good for time warps in our keys
kinda neat being 2nd top dps
ebon herald
Do y’all use interpose a lot? I can’t tell how useful it would be
slow saddle
kinda neat being 2nd top dps
bizenstein
icy plume
Am I dumb or is Arms missing spell reflect, pummel and wrecking throw/shattering throw on the cooldown manager? Fury has them.
fleet spindle
i think you can adjust that, i have those visible
stable fiber
dim basalt
Kha my goat
slow saddle
Arms Aoe shines in higher keys r?
fleet spindle
from my experience yes sir, dont be afraid to use your cds on packs of mobs
fleet spindle
this mightve been earlier in an m0 or low key but being top dps is pretty consistent even at 10s im running
halcyon valve
arms
sand totem
from my experience yes sir, dont be afraid to use your cds on packs of mobs
That's the biggest hurdle ive had. Sending CDs on, well... cooldown. I keep thinking "oh better save ravager till I need it". Kinda forgetting its back every 90 seconds
fleet spindle
with anger management and higher keys, you get some good uptime on using cds from pack to pack its great!
sand totem
Oh yeah. Csmash is back like every 30 seconds. Avatar every 60. Feels cash money
Which is why it kept fucking me by not sending them
swift plume
💪
old glacier
Are there any good arms streamers or content creators doing m+? I feel like I could be squeezing more damage out.
old glacier
Nice
old glacier
I definitely feel like I should be doing way more damage.
fleet spindle
woodoo if you dont mind me asking, what talents do you run, key level, and typical rotation on packs of mobs?
slow saddle
Are there any good arms streamers or content creators doing m+? I feel like I co...
Bizenstein
sand totem
ive never lost on overall so far as colo
Frost mages have gotten me once or twice. And my buddy as a ret pulls ahead sometimes. But yeah, colo feels cracked in big pulls
slow saddle
also keep in mind KEY LEVEL rly makes a difference for overall
slow saddle
Frost mages have gotten me once or twice. And my buddy as a ret pulls ahead some...
ret esp in 10-11 with affix this week
fucks
sand totem
ret esp in 10-11 with affix this week
That mastery buff just juices him so fucking good
old glacier
Running the talents from the wowhead guide. Colossus. Doing 9-11 keys. My rotation is basically what the guide said.
distant coyote
I went to put in a crafting order but I can only craft the blood knights warblade to 259 max, what am I doing wrong?
fossil root
Arms good. Now we can game gamers.
sand totem
I went to put in a crafting order but I can only craft the blood knights warblad...
Are you putting myth crests in?
old glacier
Apply rend, pop avatar/ravager, colossus smash, cleave spam into demolish
distant coyote
Ohh how many do you need?
sand totem
Ohh how many do you need?
80
fleet spindle
Apply rend, pop avatar/ravager, colossus smash, cleave spam into demolish
yeah that sounds about right
sand totem
Apply rend, pop avatar/ravager, colossus smash, cleave spam into demolish
Wouldn't demo go before cleaves, for the 10% increased damage taken?
cobalt igloo
according to wowhead, it's only showing there's only 3 pcs of tier sets - are we leaving 4th pc tier out?
fleet spindle
tfw not enough sparks to craft a 285 weapon. will we get atleast 3 next week? im sitting on 140 myth crests i cant use
old glacier
Is it worth just using hero crests?
No. Won't take long to get the mythic crests and then you will have wasted 80 hero crests.
old glacier
yeah that sounds about right
Maybe I need to think more about my uptime. Is the cleave radius really small?
sand totem
tfw not enough sparks to craft a 285 weapon. will we get atleast 3 next week? im...
Did you spend the ones you got previously? Cause you should only be getting 1 spark a week
sand totem
tfw not enough sparks to craft a 285 weapon. will we get atleast 3 next week? im...
Or did you craft a 259 one already? Cause upgrading doesnt cost sparks
fleet spindle
Maybe I need to think more about my uptime. Is the cleave radius really small?
hmmm i think cleave radius is fine, i think next time i do a key ill clip my rotation on a mob pack and show ability order and dps at each point
fleet spindle
Or did you craft a 259 one already? Cause upgrading doesnt cost sparks
i made a cloak and bracers at 259 a week or 2 ago, rip so if i have one now, it means itll take a minute to get 4
old glacier
Oh, maybe I should be demolishing before my cleaves?
sand totem
i made a cloak and bracers at 259 a week or 2 ago, rip so if i have one now, it ...
Yeah, sorry buddy
fleet spindle
im probably wrong on this but after avatar, i colo smash, then demolish, and after that start dumping cleaves and rest of abilities
fleet spindle
Yeah, sorry buddy
rip ty for the info 😮
sand totem
Oh, maybe I should be demolishing before my cleaves?
I have nothing to back my statement besides vibes, but yeah I do what drakula does
old glacier
I was just watching bizenstein do that.
sand totem
Except I macro ava/Csmash together so they stay synced cause I desync them accidentally lmao
tacit crystal
fleet spindle
Or did you craft a 259 one already? Cause upgrading doesnt cost sparks
sorry just making sure, so i have 259 bracer/cloak. without sparks but with the materials and myth crests i can upgrade both to 285? if so thats awesome but also means ive been doing 10s lacking some big upgrades
sand totem
You betcha
fleet spindle
damn! alright thanks again for the help
sand totem
I think for those it'll be 40 crests per
fleet spindle
pshhh ez no problem there. time to dump a bunch of gold
junior trellis
How close are we looking with fury now ? Been doing fury in raids but I prefer arms
I guess potentially not known yet with buffs coming
safe vigil
Oh, maybe I should be demolishing before my cleaves?
Hey I just quickly read through what you said, and I think you might be sending demolish with very low colossal might stacks on AoE
sand totem
Hey I just quickly read through what you said, and I think you might be sending ...
But even with low stacks, isn't it good to send it for the increased damage taken by the mobs? And getting it back off CD faster?
Again, total feelscraft on my end so correct me if im wrong!
edgy solstice
only on first pull of dungeon
shouldnt ever fall off otherwise outside of rp or bad tank
sand totem
Okay ye
minor gust
There's not really a rush to send demo right away in aoe. Try to build stacks while tank gathers mobs, and follow the opener getting your cleaves off until on cd if your still not at max stacks hit an MS and just slam the demo
In ST can just send it right away after one MS to keep them from desyncing as much as possible.
safe vigil
But even with low stacks, isn't it good to send it for the increased damage take...
Yeah exactly what frozenbozo said, it's easy to get a couple MS off (up to 4 stacks per global with sweeping strikes if they crit, vs only 1 per cleave)
also dominance of the colossus is also based off colossal might stacks
old glacier
Hey I just quickly read through what you said, and I think you might be sending ...
Thank you! That does make sense. I need a better way to track it I guess.
fleet spindle
Yeah exactly what frozenbozo said, it's easy to get a couple MS off (up to 4 sta...
Thanks for the insight!
sand totem
Yeah thanks lads. I never considered if sweeping crit and getting 4. I knew if it swept i would get 2, but didnt consider the doubles.
old glacier
Just did a key and this tip actually made a world of difference.
Warrior discord coming in clutch once again.
willow lance
old glacier
Paying attention to my colossal might stacks.
plucky osprey
Double checking for my own head cannon... arms buffs on rest ain't gonna make a big difference ey?
sand totem
3-4% is the current estimate
fleet spindle
man 2517 io score and 260 ilvl and still perma declined from 10 key pugs
sharp wyvern
cause people with 3k io and 270 ilvl are queing up to get some trinket or ring
fleet spindle
theres always a bigger fish in the sea huh 😢
i just need 8 myth crests to finish a recraft
minor gust
cause people with 3k io and 270 ilvl are queing up to get some trinket or ring
True I am tha guy stealing spots from people
fleet spindle
i do have a 10 key but ive already timed 11 AA, id rather pug a pit of saron and get an upgrade maybe
fleet spindle
gigachad
latent moss
sharp wyvern
is ST still cursed
latent moss
we pull on boss always
minor gust
🐐
latent moss
except last boss
sharp wyvern
i have been sticking to fury cause i dont want bosses to last too long
latent moss
but on last boss the only thing that matters is to kill the bolt spammer lowk
bro tank was getting FISTED by the necrotic wake mobs
that decrease ur max hp
axaxax
its so funny
-70% hp
from one cast
bro REMOVE this mob from the game PLEASE
sharp wyvern
slayer keys start once the .5 patch hits 
latent moss
ngl after these keys
no way specs compete with arms on mass aoe btw
especially if u chain pull
minor gust
good sub rogue isnt far behind but yeah I dont get beat either.
sharp wyvern
watch them nerf AM soon
minor gust
yup
latent moss
or if the pack lives long ewnough i get cs + demo back and i win
but usually doesnt live long enough
fleet spindle
colossus you ever get salt from people cause of arms aoe dmg?
minor gust
colo still has that ret strength of just cds all the time and good consistent dmg
latent moss
yep
fleet spindle
lol same, sometimes people mald but bro more dmg we finish dungeon faster
minor gust
Slayer aint too far behind which is whats got me excited for the season. Have yet to lose on overall as slayer either.
gonna feel nice swapping between the two whenever I feel like
mortal rivet
What is it that’s doing that
jovial hare
i like slayer cus i prefer murderin bosses to murderin trash
mortal rivet
Cause isn’t the dot it applies a slow?
dire hinge
weird, i've never had problem with those mobs 👀
the little dudes apply a 1% stacking max health poison that stacks infinitely, was he not stunning them and running away (or getting poison cleansed)?
fleet spindle
we're in boys, 10 pug pit of saron only took 30 mins
dire hinge
-70% hp
this mob only has two abilities:
- AoE around a rupture on the ground
- Stacking debuff that increases your Frost damage taken by 100% for 8 seconds
People should be cleaving off this guy, but i have yet to see really any guide mention this mob specifically because the damage it does is essentially meaningless 👀
I've done that key a bunch as a tank and never noticed him do literally anything 😂
Was your tank pulling multiple Graveblades simultaneously or something, so that the debuff never fell off?
yeah, for example the phrase "graveblade" hasn't even been mentioned in this discord (ever) before. If it was problematic you'd see it pop up in #protection at least. I dont think this was a mob issue, it sounds like your tank messed up
astral yarrow
playing wb and avatar cdr, static ravager and static pbox along with low ish crit for demolish cdr
this spec feels terrible
but has so much damage every pack
odd ledge
Slayer aint too far behind which is whats got me excited for the season. Have ye...
the first pull as slayer in AA is depression
astral yarrow
every pull as slayer is depression
latent moss
this mob only has two abilities:
* AoE around a rupture on the ground
* Stacking...
idk he does like some swing idk if thats the mob
some scary swing
latent moss
the little dudes apply a 1% stacking max health poison that stacks infinitely, w...
that slash did insane dmg to him idk
i think
lowk i forgot atp
latent moss
🐐
15 spire 2 chest
random mobs kept popping on last boss
we thought it was statue maybe but he didnt have statues xdd
minor gust
insane tech
latent moss
playing wb and avatar cdr, static ravager and static pbox along with low ish cri...
i think u need high crit
to play colo
unironically
im at 34% and i never starve
even on st i just prio sd high
the only time i starve is when tactician doesnt want to proc
also i refuse to run pbox
astral yarrow
yeah sort of need to have the sweet spot for wb for every demolish
or demolish for every wb
astral yarrow
also i refuse to run pbox
i am getting there
been doing col keys all day since im playing it for vanguard tomorrow
soft gust
The race graph on wowhead seems to be undervaluing panda, because the base /simc output doesn't include the food buff that pandaren racial doubles now. Figured I'd share
minor gust
the only time i starve is when tactician doesnt want to proc
that when you have no shaman feels awful I hate those moments
astral yarrow
we are boblow ilvl as well
bro a neck refuses to drop for me
i am still on the rep neck even at 270 equipped xd
latent moss
gg
astral yarrow
does col actually feel better in higher keys
cause most of the time shit dies too fast
would like to be able to do second wb on a pack
astral yarrow
stuff dies too fast in 10s
latent moss
yep
astral yarrow
but i dont think i've had a guild key under 140k overall
latent moss
does col actually feel better in higher keys
id say it does ye
astral yarrow
pug keys are a different story xdd
latent moss
oh for sure i was spamming nexus point earlier today in pugs as colo
wanted to kms
idk colo with pug tanks is extremely annoying
for me personally
distant coyote
Is arms close to fury now in m+?
latent moss
i swapped to thane fury for the nexus points
astral yarrow
yeah im prolly doing that as well when i go for the set
kinda still need haste/mast ring, shadow damage gloves and a neck from keys
i dont think im an arms enjoyer in something not guild tanked
latent moss
ye i need gloves too
thane fury just works all the time imo
no matter how ur tank pulls
astral yarrow
our monk tank rolled warrior for, vanguard + alleria, so now im prolly riding the bench with the rest of the melee for the last 2 bosses xdd
astral yarrow
no matter how ur tank pulls
yeah i like thane as it plays the most like it used to do
the massacred slayer too much
latent moss
our monk tank rolled warrior for, vanguard + alleria, so now im prolly riding th...
xdd warrior dps life
latent moss
the massacred slayer too much
slayer fury is horrible imo
im not raiding this tier so im just full arms gear and blasting as colo
like i do all my sims in colo m+ talents xdd
astral yarrow
i dont think i've looked at a droptimizer as slayer
icy mulch
15 spire 2 chest
Aug, man, I hate that they're good again.
latent moss
good pug
astral yarrow
either thane or colossus