arms

[proper moth]

Fury killing it and arms prob gonna be mid pack

[steep osprey]

Arms is already mid pack

It's just their ST that sucked

[modern cove]

i think this will be the last

they like arms to be just a mid-tier

[minor gust]

50/50

we do or we dont

[wind hatch]

I believe

[latent moss]

in m+ arms is lowk cracked

even now its cracked

[minor gust]

very

[steep osprey]

Not a bad place to be in

[wind hatch]

I've been top overall in every single key I've run

and I've run with some good players

[steep osprey]

I'm surprised they didn't do another cleave nerf lol

[wind hatch]

its insane

[dull tendon]

We did it guys

[rapid minnow]

So what we talking about? Arms is back?

[dull tendon]

And we didnt even need to shut down the discord server

[proper moth]

Arms is doing great in keys

[latent moss]

same

[unreal ivy]

t-rex arms no longer

[latent moss]

never lost and played with good players

[steep osprey]

Is colossus gonna use execute now

[stable fiber]

this spec is gonna be so cracked on paladins

[sharp wyvern]

do we know how big is the arms buff is yet ?

[steep osprey]

It already is

[keen spoke]

If i can just ask, around what overalls and what ilvl

[sudden topaz]

20 execute 10 overpower

[steep osprey]

I'm guessing like 7%

[latent moss]

bigger for slayer for sure

20% execute is big asf

[minor gust]

lol no you still cant press execute without going afk afterwards

[silk spade]

any executerss

[latent moss]

colo is gonna exe in m+ too

without imp exe u dont really starve

[velvet vessel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1042069193392136223/20221115_132954.gif

lez go

[minor gust]

if you got the extra rage for it but its gonna be situational

[wind hatch]

I got ~145k overall in a 12 spire at 267 ilvl today

[latent moss]

i wish it was 20 rage

it would just completely kill cleave

[stable fiber]

good tanks and ~270 ilvl you can hit 180-200k

in most dungeons

atleast i am

[wind hatch]

yeah if your tanks pull big you can crank

[proper moth]

I’ve been playing with doo doo tanks

[umbral badger]

broooo why more execute buffs

[keen spoke]

Ill definatly give it a try, although ill need to get some better gear for arms eventually

[umbral badger]

where is my colossus ST buffs

[proper moth]

2 mob pullers acting like this is classic😩

[stable fiber]

idk if the gear really matters that much

just crit flask and go

im fury gear and it feels the same ngl

[vague nova]

Slayer arms m+ enjoyer and I’m eatin good baby

[keen spoke]

honestly fair lol

[rare burrow]

helou guys. Will 31st march patch make us stronger than fury?

[minor gust]

real

[rapid minnow]

Are builds staying the same or where we changing talents

[umbral badger]

are they gonna make us all go M+ as slayer soon

🙁

where is my Col ST buffs

.<

[rare burrow]

why?

tell me guys will Arms be good spec after new patch?

[stable fiber]

yes

[umbral badger]

i mean arms is already giga good as colossus in m+

[stable fiber]

it has been a good spec

not in raid but

[umbral badger]

just shitty ST

[rare burrow]

is it very big buff?

[umbral badger]

for slayer it is good buff

[stable fiber]

big enough

its a good buff for both

[rare burrow]

Execute damage increased by 20%. Does not affect PvP.
Overpower damage increased by 10%. Does not affect PvP.

but i want more

[umbral badger]

there is no world where execute buff will fix colossus issues

not as it is now

[stable fiber]

ur wrong

all good

[rare burrow]

im tired of playing fury

[umbral badger]

i am not wrong

[rare burrow]

I want to be top dps with arms

[umbral badger]

colossus is far behind slayer by now and execute buff wiill just widen the gap

[coral marten]

Wow arms is a real spec now?

Didnt even have to shut the discord down

[odd ledge]

SLAYER BABES RISE

[stable fiber]

colossus doesnt need to be better then slayer in raid

hello

it doesnt even need to be close

its st in m+ is most certainly fine

[umbral badger]

hey, we never said colossus needs to be better than slayer.

lol

[wet island]

https://klipy.com/gifs/armswarrior-warriorwow

[umbral badger]

we just don't wanna be competing with tanks on ST in m+

[stable fiber]

and

you

arent

[rare burrow]

guys which expansion was the best for Arms warrior for u?

[stable fiber]

mop

[keen spoke]

oh yeah how real is the thing that u really need shaman buff for arms? i honestly havent really tried it at all this xpac

[rare burrow]

ye mop arms was goat

[pine oak]

Legion by far

[tight wing]

DF

[wet island]

Legion or DF

[pine oak]

and last tier of wod

[umbral badger]

like when a tank druid pushing 60k dps most of the colossus arms warriors can't competel ol

or at least same level

[rare burrow]

is this real lofi?

[umbral badger]

at best *

[tawdry bear]

I have saved this gif for personal collection.

[vague nova]

DF season 3 arms was my first season as arms and was fun and got me hooked.

[minor gust]

if your still doing tank dps in ST as colo

its a skill issue

[stable fiber]

is that bear being egregiously good at st or arms being bad

because i dont think its arms being bad

[umbral badger]

it's not just bear

monk tanks are also doing close to warrior dps

and actually, even having this conversation should nto be a thing ot begin with is the point

[tawdry bear]

Execute buff? Good yes? :D

[stable fiber]

also 10% op is like

[umbral badger]

i would say that any colossus enjoyers want more mortal damage :p

[stable fiber]

pretty good for st also

[umbral badger]

yea the op buff is a good direction for Col

that i agree with

[stable fiber]

u guys need to learn when to use cleave in st

its actually a very big st increase

very very very good

[spring vale]

It would be nice if the choice between hero talents was more dictated by difference in playstyle/aesthetics but maybe thats an unpopular opinion. I think a lot of people are content with 1 hero talent being the ST one and the other being the AoE one 😔

[midnight mural]

Arms is going to fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck on Crown if someone is brave enough to play it

[umbral badger]

i mean to begin wtih, even if cleave is good "and yes it is" on ST, it is not what ppl wanna push on ST

[wet island]

I like cleave

It’s fun to press

[stable fiber]

idk i dont mind it much with a shaman in group

[umbral badger]

yes but the reason i am saying this is that it does not proc heroic strike

[finite spire]

Any guess on the % buff that gives arms?

[umbral badger]

which feels kinda bad

[stable fiber]

and when it crits for 125k on st it also doesnt feel that bad either

[umbral badger]

maybe now execute takes prio always though

on execute

[minor gust]

you arent pressing execute on colo

[cyan skiff]

Why not explain when to cleave on ST for the rest of the class?

[minor gust]

besides SD

[mortal rivet]

I hope arms is competitive with fury and it’s just fight specific

As a current fury player

[placid river]

slayer stonks rising

[umbral badger]

we are saying with the upcoming bufff

[minor gust]

no shit

[upper sparrow]

FACTS

[stable fiber]

its competitive on voracius, twin dragon boss, slam dunks on fury on paladins, and probably beats it on crown imo

well it WILL be

with these execute buffs

its probably not close on the first boss, 100% not close on salhaadar or chimaerus

[rustic remnant]

When to use cleave in ST if you don’t mind?

[stable fiber]

i use it with excess rage and noting else to push, <35% hp, and during ravager

only 1 of those conditions imo

[silk cloud]

surely this is ragebait

[bold depot]

they took away root clear and slow immunity from avatar. gee i wonder why arms would have trouble connecting in pvp

[smoky kayak]

with all the tuning changes, probably only going to do it during Ravager

[tawdry bear]

I have seen logs of people just not hitting slam. And just pressing cleave.

[vapid goblet]

uhh

so is arms viable now

or still in the dumpster

[stable fiber]

has been

u missing out

[smoky kayak]

I mean it's getting continually better

I woudln't call it OP or a top performer by any means

[rustic remnant]

Thank you Khazix

[silk cloud]

Seems like it should be plenty playable at this point, right?

[stable fiber]

listen to the orange name

smarter then me probably

[silk cloud]

In all content I mean

[smoky kayak]

Colossus performs quite well in M+, it just has poop for ST dam, which... tbf isn't the biggest importance in M+ content (and these buffs are helping)

[rustic remnant]

I think arms will be monsterous in keys now tbh

[smoky kayak]

the main issue with raid is it's very multitarget heavy, but that's content where ST does also still matter, and Arms has a hard time doing both

[bold depot]

near the middle of the pack is what anyone has been asking for

[versed lagoon]

ngl arms already prety monstrous in keys

[silk cloud]

Fuck, sounds like i have to level my warrior after all

[dire hinge]

in like a cool hot way?

[sharp flame]

hows arms ST if you only spec into ST? is it competitive if there's no adds or cleave?

[smoky kayak]

Yeah Colossus keeps up with Thane overall in keys

if your group can pull trash onto bosses, you won't even have many low points

[kindred breach]

slayer arms still needs a bit more help on aoe no?

[minor gust]

arms funnel go brrr

[dire hinge]

there really isn't any single target fights so it's not much of an issue tbh

[smoky kayak]

it's similar to Fury, which is to say not amazing - middle to lower middle of the pack
but again there just aren't very many real ST fights

[sturdy flicker]

assuming this buff doesnt really help coloossus st much ? \

[minor gust]

its not gonna beat out colo on aoe but slayer is in a good spot if you want to play it.

[smoky kayak]

well it helps make Execute an actual button instead of something that just gets completely ignored

and OP helps Colossus more than Slayer at this point

[stable fiber]

It's prob around a 2k colo st buff

Less with current gear

[kindred breach]

is having a lot of crit a requirement for slayer too? or just colo?

[sand igloo]

won't you rage starve yourself if you use execute without SD as colossus?

[smoky kayak]

both want crit mainstat

[stable fiber]

Yes

But we already are rage starved

[kindred breach]

damn, i mostly have mast and haste 🙁

[smoky kayak]

not if you talent into it, we just don't atm because Exe isn't really worth using (and its hard to get enough talent points for everything)

[sand igloo]

alright, thats fair enough

[smoky kayak]

but the execute buff also applies to SD, keep in mind

[stable fiber]

Slap a crit flask on and ur fine I promise

I'm haste mastery with crit flask and all is good

[minor gust]

Secondary stats doing their thing and just existing

nothing more

[vapid igloo]

Slayer stonks with the exe buff? Looking to go back to Arms but I fucking hate Demolish lol

[kindred breach]

i'll try it, thank you

[stable fiber]

Think it's good on a couple of bosses now

Playable in m+ but not better then colo

[minor gust]

its not gonna be better than colo but slayer is also doing very well in M+ play it if you want

[marble kayak]

Glad execute is getting a buff because man...

Execute on arms warrior in specific used to be the entire class identity lol.

[vapid igloo]

[minor gust]

yo someone pour one out for rogues for getting ignored

[crisp crane]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[vapid igloo]

I actually can't believe rogues aren't getting more stuff. They're in such an abysmal state lol

[marble kayak]

Buff execute by 200% blizzard quit playin with my heart.

[wind hatch]

my gm who decided to play rogue this tier has been crashing out for a week at this point

[misty bridge]

buff MS 🙂

[dire hinge]

that's coming on tuesday already

[minor gust]

yeah one of my good friends is a rogue main he was pretty pissed to see rogue somehow get ignored in this tuning pass

[polar portal]

Sub is probably still better than arms even with these buffs fwiw

It's not bad

[nova marsh]

Ive just given up at doing damage ob my rogue

[vapid igloo]

Yeah but sub is cringe and boring, all rogue players want ass buffs

[nova marsh]

I just settle for being a dps

[nova marsh]

Fuck no

Fuck that garbage dot spec

[minor gust]

[tight basin]

Compared to fury, arms seems to be alot more downtime/0 rage situations

[stable fiber]

??????

[polar portal]

Assassination is the most boring spec between the three imo, it's slow and nothing you press has any weight

[icy atlas]

Blizzard wants so badly for Arms to be a slow spec

[vapid igloo]

More overpower

[stable fiber]

He made a statement so ass his own gang clowned him

[polar portal]

At least as sub you feel super strong during dance

Sectec is great to press

[stable fiber]

Oh

Wait

I misread that

[dire hinge]

i'd sure hope so, fury doesn't run out of rage lol

[stable fiber]

Kill me

[mild sierra]

Anyone done math on the buff yet

[stable fiber]

Saving this

[nova marsh]

Id love to but skyhold dosent let me use my emotes

[vapid igloo]

Yeah math comes out to a 20% buff to your execute damage

🫰

[dire hinge]

slightly more than that

like 10% on overpower as well

[sand igloo]

2+2 is 4 - 1 thats 3 quick maths

[marble kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/big-head-shaq-manly-knows-algebra-gif-12056072

[tawny thorn]

How can you love slayer Arms lmao, this is the pinnacle of boring

[vapid igloo]

who the fuck are you

[nova marsh]

Whats your main spec

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[marble kayak]

The discord of rage using warriors has now gained +10 rage.

[vapid igloo]

This guy loves playing with his nutsack while he waits for demolish to come off cd

[tight basin]

Demolish awkward ability lets be honest

[dire hinge]

🪤

[tawny thorn]

Lmao, chill. You can't talk normally?

[vapid igloo]

awkward is understating it

[marble kayak]

I like making mad ook ook sounds while I'm demolishing.

[nova marsh]

It is

[kind thunder]

demolish does feel big tho , big clank

[vapid igloo]

[sand igloo]

slayer arms is probably the most fun i had with the spec in a long time, colossus not so much tho

[mighty dagger]

We play Arms. Aren't we all a bit awkward?

[slim iron]

[dull tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/kray-tom-hardy-angry-gun-sus-gif-26727656

[marble kayak]

I just enjoy not getting tendonitis from slamming keys on Fury.

[dire hinge]

dont make me tap the sign

[tawny thorn]

Pulling the worst memes haha

[sand igloo]

tap it

[vapid igloo]

?

[midnight mural]

There is alot of pieces that catalyze into crit/haste

[minor gust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/468099222424518656/1004846604068602007/caption.gif

[hexed saddle]

record it tho

and send it to me

[sand igloo]

what do i do if i wanna kiss archi?

[dire hinge]

see sign for instructions

[vapid igloo]

Archi only kisses the cute egirls he follows on twitter

[fresh spire]

Buffs was around 3k, forgot to post

[minor gust]

🫡

[fresh spire]

need to check over colossus execute usage and maybe even check if slayer hard spams it 😄

[dire hinge]

ty fish 🙂

[devout pewter]

lovely

[minor gust]

muh EP rotation

[sand igloo]

yuge

[lone raft]

everyone needs to get one off every once in a while

[dire hinge]

a fully stacked EP?

agreed

[odd ledge]

🤣

i love wowhead comments

so out of touch

[mild sierra]

I mean Fury ST isnt great, but the aoe makes up for it

[vapid igloo]

As fury I've been matching my Arms buddy's dps in ST, so it clearly was not wonderful

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, if you look at pure ST, Fury is mid at best, but they do such easy AoE and generally keep up decent ST at the same time

Arms issue is having to give up a ton of ST to AoE, like literally 25%

[odd ledge]

wouldnt fury be insane if they got a st buff

[humble hollow]

is it possible to make a sound alert with the new CD manager for when Heroic Strike becomes available? not right?

[full furnace]

also both hero specs are viable for all types of content, trying to play colossus arms in st fights is suicide

[vapid igloo]

just make a weakaura

[blissful tree]

great news

[humble hollow]

[sand igloo]

any sneakaura enjoyers?

[dire hinge]

you cannot, because HS is not tracked in the CDM at all

[blissful tree]

now more rage gain and gucci

[humble hollow]

the macro it is then

thanks

[proper moth]

Have a friend stare at your screen for it

[mild sierra]

Best arms buff would be the addition of a swing timer

[dire hinge]

Slam will automatically turn into HS when it's available, so the macro shouldn't be needed

[full furnace]

oh god not again

[odd ledge]

i made another action bar and put my slam into it and made it big

if proc big bwoah glow

[spring vale]

Ret kinda has a swing timer in the CDM, if you track Crusading Strikes, it shows when the AA lands

[dire hinge]

true, happenstance though

[hollow quail]

Is arms looking competitive to fury in keys now?

[dire hinge]

wish we had one for arms

[minor gust]

its competitive if not better before todays buffs

[feral basin]

only 3k?

[brisk orbit]

do we get to use execute in execute now lol

[dire hinge]

neither execute nor overpower did that much damage in the first place

likely does not apply to DN even

[feral basin]

chat gpt ahh tuning

[dire hinge]

i'll still take it, but 3% is better than nothing

[umbral badger]

i got flamed for saying that about colossus

[full furnace]

for once i don't think so

its a targeted st buff

[dire hinge]

Colossus rarely presses Execute 😂

[umbral badger]

i was just saying execute is not the direction colossus wants to go

[dire hinge]

you dont even take Improved Execute on it because you'll just rage starve yourself

[umbral badger]

and its' a shitty buff

that being said i am just hoping execute will finally replace cleave on execute phase now

[feral basin]

more so mean in the sense that specs in the top 3rd of ST sims are getting flat 3-4% buffs

[dire hinge]

all buffs are beatiful ™, but yeah this wont like, magically fix our spec design

[umbral badger]

so that we get more hero strike stacsk

[feral basin]

and arms theyre so hesitant somehow

[full furnace]

Blizzards favorites as usual

[umbral badger]

if we at least can finally not use cleave on execute, it's a step forward. i hate how cleave does not give heroic strikes.

[dire hinge]

real

[umbral badger]

it's my first dream as colossus, to not push a key that does not interract wtih my apex on ST

[rose ibex]

Im still shocked that certain classes manage to completely avoid nerfs

Its just weird at this point

Well, maybe not weird to blizzard balancing

I just want to know why it happens (or doesnt)

[static garden]

is execute purely just a ST button now? I find in aoe I never want to press it, typically its enough to just spam between op,rend,cleave,ms

[sand igloo]

more surprised they are not fixing the bugged hydra/lunar storm interaction

[rose ibex]

Yeah I hear sentinel is kinda borked

Sv hunters are recommended not to use that hero tree

[rose ibex]

For slayer it procs reap which is good for aoe

SD procs i should say

[static garden]

oh I play colossus for m+ so I wouldn't know, still trying to figure out slayer arms, but I played that in TWW which felt a lot better, feels kinda pepega now

[kind thunder]

ye for them the mark goes rampant on wherever but ur main target even immune targets

[rose ibex]

I love slayer :)

Very fun proc based gameplay. Bs is something you love or hate

Sometimes you get unlucky tho

[static garden]

fury has turned my brain into rot juice, dunno how to use bladestorm other than off cd immediately which tends to be wrong

[opaque drift]

After this tuning be real with me - is arms in good state?

[rose ibex]

Charge > rend > avatar > cs > cleave til you can't > bs

[static garden]

does bs function the same as demolish where you only ever use it during cs window?

[rose ibex]

I think our st will still be bad

[umbral badger]

@dire hinge maybe a proper overpower buff can make it so that some of the tactician talents might be "fine" but i doubt

[rose ibex]

But our aoe cranks

[nova marsh]

Guys...

if evrey spec I like is underperforming, do I even care much?

[rose ibex]

I feel bad for rogues

[dire hinge]

We are still paying for the DN crimes of Dragonflight where OP/DN was our top damage dealer above all other abilities 😂

[opaque drift]

Im a rogue main and i just cane here to ask

[nova marsh]

Yeah it kinda sucks

[opaque drift]

Not any rogue main tho … assa main….

[nova marsh]

But at this point I give up on damage

[nova marsh]

I am sorry friend

[rose ibex]

My friend has mained outlaw/combat since forever and hes pretty frustrated with the lack of tuning

[nova marsh]

Honestly the tuning this season is genuinely horrendus in general

[opaque drift]

That’s because rogue has no designated dev

[umbral badger]

i'd hate it , BUT ANYTHING BRO

lol

[nova marsh]

I'm gonna be honest

I don't feel like any spec does

[rose ibex]

Do any classes actually have designated devs?

[umbral badger]

i want my mortal strike to not hit like wet nodles sometimes and hit like a truck rarely

[opaque drift]

Person who does tuning for rogue is DH developer and he does rogue tuning as his side job lol

[umbral badger]

in those companies nowadays, probably not. they move resources around depends on priority.

[rose ibex]

Our execute will now hit like dry noodles

[kind thunder]

same here brother

[proper moth]

I’d love to know what kind of internal testing warranted those nerfs

[rose ibex]

I will invite all rogues to my groups from now on

Except for sub rogues

Screw them

[nova marsh]

I mean I like sub as an off spec

[umbral badger]

and moving resources around basically means you won't get enought love most of hte times if your spec is not popular :p although i think slayer arms will be acceptable on ST now, there is no way they can fix colossus with the fundemntal design issue of needing 111111111 talents to swap between aoe and ST

[nova marsh]

Because it's braindead

[rose ibex]

Banished. Straight to hell

[kind thunder]

😭

[nova marsh]

Damn that's crazy

Bro it's like

if I had ret as an off spec

it's tolerable

[rose ibex]

Our spec is dead last in popularity yet we are getting a little love

Or perhaps some much needed redemption buffs

[umbral badger]

yea i think they just don't want it to be dead completely as a spec, but i don't think they will go as far as fixing the issue of all high talent tree tax on aoe

[rose ibex]

Our talents need a rework really

Get rid of avatar

[nova marsh]

Not just the talents

the whole spec

[rose ibex]

Yeah but baby steps

Easier to just fix our abysmal capstones

[umbral badger]

because iif they buff ST enough for Colossus to do well ST in m+ that will mean CS st will be broken in full ST build imo lol

[kind thunder]

they did it for hunter tho

[umbral badger]

like imagine colossus doing 80k ST in m+ build then swapping to full ST in raid , would be fking broken so that is not a solution xd

[nova marsh]

Fine

then wait a tier

just give me sopmething bro

[umbral badger]

yes

i am fine waiting a tier for htem to fix colossus ST by reworking the tree somehow

just not the entire expansion hopefully

[rose ibex]

Give colossus a choice that that massively buffs demolish cd recovery or third hit damage in exchange for aoe removal

[proper moth]

But it is

[umbral badger]

yes, Colosus the most broken raid ST 😄

[proper moth]

Just make all warrior abilities function like cleave no need to pick between ST and AoE when it all does AoE😂

[umbral badger]

change arms into "war drummer" spec, we just stand back dance, drum and sing manly songs to grant buffs to the raid

mortal strike the drums for strong buffs

[proper moth]

1 button spec only and you have to use /dance to start the rotation

[rose ibex]

Id play that ngl

Bard haha

Just because its funny

[potent creek]

rename it to Sabaton

and I'm in

[umbral badger]

or we can just become "war chefs" make falafel and shawarma for the raid mid fight bro

[rose ibex]

Id play that too

Hell yeah dude

[fervent cedar]

another good step in the right direction but we're still going to need more....

how much better is slayer in ST generally speaking?

thinking of trying it for a key

[rose ibex]

Do it man

Slayer and colossus overall dungeon damage is close

[thorn stream]

Execute and op buffs

Lfg

[boreal bay]

where are we standing now with those buffs

im tired of playing fury

[lone raft]

between the 2 specs which do you yall feel is easier to pick up and more applicable to all forms of content

[boreal bay]

im too old to spam keys

[rose ibex]

Dungeon good before buffs

[lone raft]

I’m maining colo now cuz I want to do mythics and PvP but slayer is calling me, I yearn for execute

[rose ibex]

Both are fun and close in damage. Colossus definitely puts out more aoe but only a little

Slayer is more subject to procs

You can get lucky and unlucky

Has better single target but not by much. Has worse aoe but not by much

[rapid bronze]

allahu akbar brothers

god has smiled on our spec

[fervent cedar]

what is the reasoning behind bs after cleave spam

wouldn't you want overwhlemed stacks first?

[latent moss]

idk i did some slayer keys and colo does a lot more aoe

[flint cloud]

Are we saved?

[minor gust]

we never left

[odd ledge]

[odd ledge]

im 1 behind you 🙁

[minor gust]

[west scarab]

What's proper arms multi rotation i can't get it right

[odd ledge]

u know the worst feeling is when u transition from p1 into p2

and u scroll all the way down

to find yourself

[weak rain]

who cares of p1

[languid torrent]

did my first slayer key, damn kinda fun. crazy when you get lots of procs with haste and full cds

[leaden garnet]

As a rule, CS will come off cooldown first. Demolish CAN come of cd first if you've been pressing a LOT of cleave. In sustained aoe they're close enough that they should almost always line up. On single target you may need to skip a Demolish cast to let it re-sync with CS.

The situation where you'd intentionally use one but not the other, even when they're almost synced up, is if a trash pack had ~20% hp left. Not enough hp to justify sending both, but too much HP do you to lamely waddle your way through because you end up losing more time and dps by letting them live for too long

[languid torrent]

still not as massive as demo but boss dam is way better

[leaden garnet]

This is also a psychological thing where your teammates are probably also saving damage for the next pull since they don't want to commit their big buttons on the remaining hp

[nova marsh]

Guys....

Is it werid I feel like skyhold cries a bit less then most other class discords?

[rose ibex]

Its always close for me but colossus is always ahead on overall dungeon damage

I want to test it once I get 4pc

[rose ibex]

That's crazy because I feel there's plenty of crying here

[umbral badger]

actually, the EXACT scenario of what happens now with 4 set is that you get to use first demolish with first cs, then second demolish near the end of the second CS, then a small desycn happen later

[rose ibex]

But certain ones definitely cry more

[nova marsh]

I mean there is

Hell I cry in here all the time

[latent moss]

most of the crying is because of class design

[rose ibex]

For slayer it allows the full duration of your bs to always last through your cs after cleave combo

[nova marsh]

Rogue and DK just make me wonder if blizzard shot their cat

[odd ledge]

beggars cant be choosers
we appreciate every lil buff

[umbral badger]

i would also say, in AoE demo is fine to use on a low hp grp tht will die within the next 5 seconds if following the demo we get a few mortal strikes out imo

[latent moss]

if i was a rogue id be crying too

[nova marsh]

I have given up on tuning this tier

[umbral badger]

but CS should never be used on things that are 100% dead in 4-5 secs cuz usually it's just a few monstersl eft

[languid torrent]

having been in a lot of class discords, if you are a spec that is generally good to great there is massive amount of crying when bad or nerfs or spec doesnt play as well. outside of that the other ones tend to be a lot more casual conversation with some bitching on patch note days

[nova marsh]

Like genuinely I just don't care anymore, any class I play will be fucked. Melee in general is fucked

[umbral badger]

yea i think slayer won the lottery with the set bonus on ST cuz of how much does it get on CS duration wtih unhinged

[rose ibex]

Me too man but ultimately I play the class because its fun not because it does crazy damage

[rose ibex]

Colossus gets more from 2pc

Is something as well

My theory is that colossus is better with 2pc or less but with 4pc its more even

[nova marsh]

I feel like I started to care too much about tuning and from that angle, midnight kills any enjoyment for the game

[umbral badger]

i mean on ST 2set is fine for both, but on AoE colossus gets more from both sets

imo

much more if anything

4 set is clearly crazy good for Colossus

[rose ibex]

Maybe one day we end up playing colossus in st

[umbral badger]

on aoe

[odd ledge]

lets hope that day wont come

[rose ibex]

Hopefully execute buffs slayer up some more

I like both specs so its fun switching it up

[umbral badger]

i've done it on multiple bosses in last expansion and was able to parse above 90 or 95 in some cases, it's just not "pure ST" fights. like the armed bandit was a fine colossus warroir fight for the small windows of sweeping to reset your demo

[rose ibex]

I dont feel like a burden doing so

[junior trellis]

Finally can stop playing fury hopefully

[rose ibex]

Even though colossus is doing better

[umbral badger]

and the boss after armed bandit too, forgot the name

[odd ledge]

mugzeehhhh

[umbral badger]

but again, colossus did lose major tools for ST so nah this tier, it's not gonna happen.

[umbral badger]

yup, even on the last boss colossus had decent window

[rose ibex]

not yet...

[umbral badger]

rip unhinged

as much as ravager is hated, i loved it only for uhinged as col

more demos is always fun

[languid torrent]

i kinda want the ravager proc that prot has

kinda neat

[umbral badger]

no idea wha'ts that so now you are gonna make me go prot and see what is it xd

[leaden garnet]

I don't mind Ravager when it's viewed as a button to enhance Cleave

Outside of that context it's just way too anaemic

[latent moss]

its a 1:30 cd that doesnt align with anything

[umbral badger]

yea but as i said this before, i just see it as an extention of avatar at this point. you could literally just remove it and add a part of it's multiplier in avatar and we will end up happier with one less button to press.

[languid torrent]

yea it procs off of shit you do like ive had it proc off throw wep when im pulling

which is beans but i love getting like two or three of em

[umbral badger]

like you can tell me guys, would you rather avatar with lets say 20% all damage and 25% additional cleave damage, or this version of avatar and ravager

[latent moss]

exactly

[umbral badger]

i'd take one avatar over an "all rounder avatar" and a "cleave only avatar"

[latent moss]

they should replace ravager with a talent that makes ur cs mega fuck

like make it deal disgusting damage

[odd ledge]

arms without bladestorm aint arms imo

[latent moss]

if it wasnt an unskippable cutscene sure

it does good damage now in aoe but

its way too long

[umbral badger]

i mean that's literally not even a hard design anyway, all CS damage taken modifiers could have been for both CS it self and the dmg modifier it applies

although that's not enough to compensate for ravager still

[hardy olive]

Guys Arms Owns

[fervent cedar]

[umbral badger]

yea i am happy wiht the overall at least in m+

last 15 i ran we almost timed it if the tanks did not pull like 6 extra pulls somehow

lol

if % goes over it would have been 130%

[icy mulch]

Hmmmmmm, Execute and overpower buffs, we'll take it. Not sure it will solve the issue but we'll be on par with Fury I guess.

[umbral badger]

yea slayer will be on part with fury probably we will need the simmers for exact numbers but feels nice

damn, i saw a colossus warrior at 92k on saladar and got giga excited , turns out it's a bug cuz his logs are slayer logs 🙁

not sure what is this

why anonymous

[minor gust]

[fresh spire]

still a bit behind, still loses ST to take aoe where fury doesn't.
still an alright gain.

[minor gust]

so close to 100

[fresh spire]

i did some shake ups to apl for cleave in colossus

[umbral badger]

nice ty ty

[fresh spire]

its a bit nicer now

[minor gust]

nice

[umbral badger]

what's that mean

ahh

unrelated to the changes nvm

[fresh spire]

Execute is worth using again in colossu

[umbral badger]

my brain is with colosuss execute phase if it's changed now

oh great

that's my hope

[modest marlin]

weapon made, yay

[umbral badger]

don't wanna do more cleavs on execute

[umbral badger]

that being said, i'd assume cleave from 35% to 20% then execute ? cuz we won't get 35% execute in m+

[fossil thistle]

Is this new buffs or current iteration?

[dire hinge]

Finally

[fossil thistle]

I figured new buffs maybe 3%?

[umbral badger]

would still be giga annoying to be looking at cleave from 35% to 20% then to execute

such a very specific change

of rotation

[modest marlin]

enchants have gotten so cheap lol

at least weapon ones

[soft gust]

huge

[minor ivy]

buffs wont be enough to make ST decent right?

[vapid spire]

Every season i get to see a few of those blood dks, i always know im in for a ride when i see one

[fossil thistle]

your group was taking over 300k per second??

oh wait thats dps

thought it said damage taken lol

[vapid spire]

Hahaha

[slender sonnet]

Arms owns

[icy mulch]

Yeah, Blood is kinda broken in AoE.

[vapid spire]

https://giphy.com/gifs/marvel-change-falco-zOlog7jgIIFfq

"Look at me, i am the group now"

[stuck geyser]

is slayer good enough in M+ yet or should i just stay colossus

[icy mulch]

They fall off rather drastically when it comes to boss damage though.

[vapid spire]

Oh this one was keeping it up

[icy mulch]

Slayer has better ST so it's a trade off of what you want to do.

Though the .5 patch is gonna screw it up.

[vapid spire]

Forgemaster in Pit

[stuck geyser]

classic

[icy mulch]

Oh, the 4pc bonus. Is there an internal cool down on the 1 second gain?

[umbral badger]

i do wonder how "good or bad" is slayer AoE though, having plenty of time to BS and cleave sounds nice

[umbral badger]

what made you think that ?

[icy mulch]

I like Slayer more, simply cause it doesn't have as much rage issues.

[icy mulch]

Cause spamming Cleave it seems to give me one second, then the next cleave doesn't give a second.

[umbral badger]

hmm in that case i am not having that issue here

[haughty rose]

is colossus viable for raiding as arms? i like the fantasy of it more than slayer, my reasoning is entirely superficial lmao

[leaden garnet]

So, these buffs. I just had a look at a +12 Spire run, and Overpower+Execute combined did less than 10% of my damage

I feel like this change will hardly be noticeable at all for Colossus

[quasi plaza]

Arms vs Fury. What's better in raids After Overpower+Execute buff?

[north forge]

Slayer arms might see some play in more ST situations but given there's not many of them I don't see it happening.

[manic pasture]

Is arms better for 10+ keys? or what's the play. I am trying to push to 3k+ and I am seeing more warriors swap to arms

[slim anchor]

does the buffs make slayer look more usable in m+?

[icy mulch]

You can play what you want up to title keys.

[latent moss]

unclear until people gear up and start pushing

they are still doing tuning all the time

from my experience i do bigger overalls as colo arms than thane fury

st is worse

if tank pulls adds on top of the boss boss damage is similar

arms funnels pretty hard on 3t

[latent moss]

copy paste it here gng i need it

[minor gust]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[latent moss]

goat

[minor gust]

the real goat @brazen talon

[worldly rivet]

This abundance event has to be the worst content blizz has ever put out.

I can't even go into the instance.

[icy mulch]

LMAO, wtf? "Bring shame to guild" Omg this is hilarious copy/pasta.

[nova marsh]

If you don't want to shame ur guild

be a meta slave

And learn all the consistantly good specs

[brazen talon]

i am small and puny

teeny tiny rogue

small pp energy

[minor gust]

[nova marsh]

Guys

is this season worth it

[brazen talon]

so huge

you know how we fix this

[minor gust]

delete rogue yes

get benched

[brazen talon]

boom

so easy

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/burnt-peanut-the-burnt-peanut-gif-8046513384392923794

[brazen talon]

yellow man on top

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-problems-chapelle-modern-solutions-gif-15497728

[nova marsh]

wait

what if I'm in the middle

[slim iron]

Are we back yet?

[icy mulch]

they're getting close

[slim iron]

https://tenor.com/view/we-suck-again-oh-no-the-waterboy-rob-schneider-the-mud-dogs-gif-24522403

Only 4 more buffs for us to.climb out of b minus tier

[icy mulch]

What do you mean? After these buffs we'll finally be in B tier. lol

[nova marsh]

Ew tier lists

[steel oxide]

Does anyone have a good tracker for sweeping strikes charges?

[icy mulch]

The cool down manager has a nice tracker for it. Has the icon of sweeping with a number in it.

[steel oxide]

I must be blind because i've been looking for it

I have 2 instances of sweeping strikes in my spells tab but both of them just show the 30 sec cooldown when I use it

[nova marsh]

Are you looking under the buffs tab?

[steel oxide]

Nothing there

[dire hinge]

In the lower left of your screenshot is a drop-down that says “11”. Change it to default

Or make a new profile (same drop-down menu)

I have no idea why it happens. It’s stupid and confusing

[steel oxide]

Oh wow

that worked

thanks so much lol

[dire hinge]

Right? Haha no worries, it plagued me for weeks

[dense sphinx]

[vapid spire]

Can we get whatever the DKs got ?

[vapid spire]

https://giphy.com/gifs/PhitPharmacist-police-sign-im-calling-the-F5G980TpWGiC4UV2Q6

[tawdry quail]

The amount of unholy dk meta slaves is insane

There’s like one good unholy dk out of 10 dogshit ones

Same with demonology tbh

[vapid spire]

I hate demonology

Im a destruction chad

[nova marsh]

I mean

I should just meta slave on UDK

or sub

But...Fuck that

[icy mulch]

I just don't take part in the class merry-go-round. No point in it.

[full obsidian]

Eyo

Is that shie real

[modest marlin]

and here I've done most of my keys as a priest so far

[heady marlin]

arms getting buffs?

[silk rock]

Will it even do much

[minor gust]

For raid buffs good

[dense sphinx]

lowball buff as usual

[dire hinge]

it helps prevent some silliness

ie: cleave during execute in single target M+

well, reduce it at least

[full obsidian]

Ill take it man

Ill take it

[dense sphinx]

yeah im licking these crumbs off the floor like the peasant dps arms is designed to be

[full obsidian]

Thats why we have ignore pain

Its by design

[rare kite]

with this exe buff is there a chance we ignore EP in execute phase? please say no @thick kelp @fresh spire

[icy mulch]

Why would we ignore it?

[rare kite]

in rare cases it's just more damage just spamming execute

[icy mulch]

Well, with the last buff to MS and 2 stacks of EP, MS will most likely be worth it. If not simply due to rend maintenance.

[quaint jackal]

Hey guys. I am thinking of playing Retail. I am coming from TBC Classic atm so I am not in the know of Retail or Warrior in it. As a beginner should I be playing Arms or Fury?

[nova marsh]

Shouldn't matter too much

Both are quite simple and I don't think either are harder. However tuning currently favors fury so consider that

[jovial hare]

yo i dropped that, pass it over here

ty

[quaint jackal]

I am not looking to maximize my DPS atm. The rotation itself already looks daunting from what I am use in TBC lol. Thanks though!

[nova marsh]

I mean coming from TBC yeah it's a completely different game

But also fury is a lil more straight forward then arms as well

Holy shit que sim is rotting my brain

[umbral badger]

damn that was a long m+ run for me tonight

have not done that in a long time

so tired

[umbral badger]

oh brother, 20% buff to execute is not gonna be making it do more than mortal strike anytime soon :p

@rare kite because all this information is available one way to look at it is through this , this is the top arms warroir on saladar "to be more precise as it is ST"

[stable fiber]

90 casts 105 hits

[umbral badger]

yes he probably hit hte orbs or some shit

but the point is that execute is not high enough dmg for 20% buff to make EP pointless

just to answer his question

so don't worry keep your ep :p

[umbral badger]

btw do you know if unhinged counts as "being cast"

or would those 15 extra hits be pure sweeping hits

[stable fiber]

sweeps

[inland heron]

does sudden death give exectioner's precision?

[umbral badger]

i guess unhinged would have done way more htan 15 in that case

[umbral badger]

yes, so that too.

[dire hinge]

yeah it does, if you go to the casts tab your Unhinged shows up (even though you didn't press them)

Hits represents Presses + Swept spells

[umbral badger]

yea figured, would have been way more htan 15 hits difference otherwise.

[dire hinge]

think of it like "casts = a thing happened" and "hits = how many times something else was impacted by it"

[vapid spire]

Am i cool

[winged phoenix]

If I'm doing Colossus arms, for multitarget/m+, should i take Bladestorm or Ravager, and why one over the other?

[snow pagoda]

ravager to big buff cleaves in cds

[umbral badger]

it's actually CRAZY how many mortal strikes colossus lost by losing unhinged when you compare noblewinter on salhadar with slayer warriors on salhadar with same fight length

the difference in number of casts is crazy to me

that higher average mortal strike damage will never be enough

[winged phoenix]

Thank you! I'm trying to make sure I understand talent choices and not blindly follow builds

[dire hinge]

right but the average hit is also significantly higher

many baby hits or fewer beefier hits

[umbral badger]

not even close to being enough though

you can see that slayer mortals did like 40% more damage

[stable fiber]

damage per rage is important

[umbral badger]

overall

[stable fiber]

that is not 40% more

[umbral badger]

yes but those are the free mortals that slayer gained

so they are no cost of rage

[umbral badger]

yea it's more like 33% but that's still a lot

[dire hinge]

for sure, it's just a bit apples to oranges. Two entirely different hero talents at play, so it's not really worthwhile comparing one of their spells against each other like that

[umbral badger]

nah it's not, cuz colosuss hero talent and identity is more centered around mortal strike so you'd expect mortal strike to be at least more of a colossus thing imo :p

[rare kite]

this is average of the top vorasius in execute phase. avg exe hit 86k plus 20% buff would mean avg hit 103k

14k less avg than ms

tho bladestorm does throw out regular ms. so EP is prob safe

[dire hinge]

glad we dont have to hold BS for 2x EP any more

[umbral badger]

in very rare situations can still be fine to do, maybe like right before CS but i did not calculated or lookedinto it yet.

[dire hinge]

don't worry, we already did a bunch of math and it's not worth fretting about

if it lines up, consider it a cherry on top, but right now the APL for Bladestorm only checks for whether or not CS has been applied for Execute range

[thorn stream]

Looking forward to vorasius and saladar next ID

[rapid minnow]

Is there new talents we take now? With the buffs?

[minor gust]

ask again when the buffs are live

[lime ruin]

Is arms back for the 5th time?

[balmy shell]

So... Is it normal for cleave to be consuming heroic strike procs?

Does that mean that in aoe I never press it and just let cleave consume it?

[lime ruin]

yeah on 3 targets or more with the talent in the top right

i forget name

does 50% extra damage and saves a GCD so you never cast heroic strike itself in aoer

[balmy shell]

oooh, ty, i was looking for whatever was consuming it and didn't see it. first time i'm trying arms in midnight

[dense sphinx]

fervor of battle

[glacial pebble]

Crazy arms is buffed this much

[balmy shell]

yeah it's the reason i'm learning it now, even rn it's already simming better than fury in aoe

for me at least. Maybe if I had two good weapons fury would be ahead

[limber apex]

Maybe arms will actually be competitive with fury now

[thick hamlet]

any maths wizard knows how much the buffs affect ST?

ballpark

until claimed otherwise, it's +100%

[balmy shell]

around 4%? maybe i'm dumb

[nova marsh]

Guys

Warriors best

[thick hamlet]

agreed

[nova marsh]

Also

Fuck Caverns

[languid torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/amen-anchorman-will-ferrell-gif-10865461

fuck caverns

[sage bison]

crazy it released the state it was in

[warped canyon]

arms feels very fun than fury

love these big hits

[glacial pebble]

I only say that because how bad it was released

3 buffs now and still whatever

[storm pendant]

crit or mastery?

[warped canyon]

for M+, str>haste>crit>mastery. for raid, str>crit=haste>mastery

[storm pendant]

Thank you sir

[warped canyon]

np!

[slow saddle]

What?

Haste wins as col how?

[rare kite]

where's the man pulling this from xD

[slow saddle]

I would venture as usual crit>haste>mastery

[vapid spire]

Are we getting something tuesday ?

[stable fiber]

id go even as far to say crit > haste=mastery

but

[slow saddle]

A tiny buff

[vapid spire]

What kind ?

[slow saddle]

Wow-updates

[rare kite]

st raid buff(for the most part)

[slow saddle]

Check channel

Tbf 12.05 our st plummets as slaya

So we better be tuned high.not low

Like now

We now only need ms 20% buff

• dw buffed

[vapid spire]

So we get 10% on Overpower and 20% on Exe, sweet

[rare kite]

please blizz buff EP to 50% per stack

[vapid spire]

They're slowly reversing everything they nerfed prior to xpack, they're dumbasses

[slow saddle]

Ikr

Just b4 as well

Out of no where, no data

[vapid spire]

"Oh yeah, we nerfing Overpower 60%"

The week after :
Oh yeah, we're nerfing OP 50% again"

[slow saddle]

Dreasnaught

But y

[vapid spire]

Oh yeah i forgot, one week was dreadnaught and the other week was Overpower

[storm pendant]

It OP so we nerf it

Did they use ai for nerfing

[vapid spire]

"So a mage at the office is crying he got outdps by a warrior so we're nerfing arms even tho the warrior was fury"

[slow saddle]

Facts

Tbf ret is mad dps atm

[vapid spire]

I had some marksman do 700k dps on first pull in Triumvirate

[slow saddle]

Ret usually bad st..im loosin st

As fury

[vapid spire]

Ret are only bad before they threaten to nuke their discord

[storm pendant]

how that makesese marksman get the best of both world (AOE and ST)

[slow saddle]

Overall dmg is not as crazy on mm

[rare kite]

tbf usually they are pretty bad in st for m+

[vapid spire]

I was able to pull mad numbers in S3 WW

Felt like i was playing osu by clicking the brighty squares

[slow saddle]

But atm they are insane

At least in 10-12s

[fervent cedar]

Balance really feels like a complete coin toss right now

[slow saddle]

Kindda dissapointed we havent been told sims yet

[fervent cedar]

stuff keeps moving all over the place

[slow saddle]

Nope

Usual suspects are great

[hushed pine]

Isn't Boomy kinda mid rn

[fervent cedar]

No I mean

[hushed pine]

Or am I missing something

[fervent cedar]

general balance

of specs

[hushed pine]

Oh

[slow saddle]

Mage-ret-dh-dk-evo-lock

Like uh gets buffed to sim 125k+? Fury is still at 102??

[storm pendant]

for mage they don't need to reduce there spell dmg just +1s cast time

[slow saddle]

Like how is this allowed

25% different in pure st is insane

[fervent cedar]

yeah the ST balance is actually pretty attrocious

I just think the high end are outliers tho that need to be reigned in

[slow saddle]

Both

Well dk should peob be top by lile 5-10% id take that

Coz pets and wonkyness

[fervent cedar]

I dont care whats on top

[slow saddle]

But 25%

[fervent cedar]

I just dont want arms to be behind the rest of the pack anymore

[slow saddle]

Well i think arms passed fury

[fervent cedar]

in what

M+?

[slow saddle]

Purely st, fully st

Slayrt

[fervent cedar]

there's no way even after the buffs arms is better than fury

[storm pendant]

How?

[fervent cedar]

like 20% execute is great

[slow saddle]

Collosus didnt benefit from exe dmg

[fervent cedar]

dont get me wrong

but there isnt' any fight in the raid that screams execute

[slow saddle]

10% op alsp affects dready

[fervent cedar]

Also

[slow saddle]

Dragons p3

[fervent cedar]

every fight in the raid has some aoe element (save for saladbar, kind of)

[slow saddle]

Very arms

[fervent cedar]

sure

dragons and vanguard

arms for sure

[slow saddle]

1st as well

[fervent cedar]

eh

I mean

[slow saddle]

If arms has higher st

[fervent cedar]

you can

[slow saddle]

Also voracious

[fervent cedar]

Vorac I think is still fury

[storm canopy]

is arms playing slayer in m+ or

[slow saddle]

No

[fervent cedar]

sus does more aoe dam

[storm pendant]

Slayer easier col more dam

[fervent cedar]

slayer does nominally better st for less aoe dam

[minor gust]

Colo is better but slayer is pretty good too can play it if you prefer

[fervent cedar]

colo is fun until you run out of rage then its super annoying

[slow saddle]

Wtb 10% rage increase

[hushed pine]

If you don't ever press Execute as Colo, rage feels manageable

[fervent cedar]

I mean

sure

in aoe

rage feels fine

[hushed pine]

But God forbid a boy from getting a little angry and executing

[fervent cedar]

in ST tho

like

[hushed pine]

There goes all my rage

[fervent cedar]

sometimes you just kinda run out of gas

[storm pendant]

We not angry enouge they nerf us

[fervent cedar]

I feel like warriors have been pretty vocal about it

why it took so long for them to take steps to address it is completely beyond me

[storm pendant]

like your character always said "NOT ENOUGE RAGE"

[hushed pine]

I never struggled with rage in ST during tww

[fervent cedar]

I didn't play arms in tww

[hushed pine]

This is the first time in like, 3? 4 expansions? That I struggle with rage in st

[fervent cedar]

I experienced the changes in midnight beta and decided to finally give this a try

[hushed pine]

Kinda ridiculous

[fervent cedar]

but yeah this rage shit is ridiculous

low damage is one thing

I would like to be able to press my buttons normally

[gentle gyro]

So col is getting nuked this time around?

These changes, while good, are super weird

[fervent cedar]

execute buff defo increases slayer value for sure

will that move the needle in M+ for slayer? I dont know

[slow saddle]

I tiny bit

[fervent cedar]

sus does a shitload of aoe dam

[slow saddle]

But cleave still mad

[fervent cedar]

yea

modifiers on modifiers

[slow saddle]

We need more buffs for arms

To ms

[fervent cedar]

I dont understand why they didn't include an MS buff in this if ST is our issue

yea

maybe they looked at breakdown, saw MS is high by a fair margin, but didn't look at the actual number?

[slow saddle]

But we live and die by shaman

Ms is supposed 2 be🤣

If cleave can be 60% aoe

[fervent cedar]

I'd take another cleave nerf for an MS buff any day of the week

at this rate

[slow saddle]

Yup + buff to rend dmg or somethin

Our aoe imho needs redistrubution

[fervent cedar]

race ends next week then hopefully they can take a larger swing

[slow saddle]

Can but wont

[cobalt lodge]

Is arms getting saved boys?

[swift flame]

at least arms is good fun in 10s

get my weeklys done on the goat spec. fuck fury.

[cobalt lodge]

Arms the only melee spec i enjoy atm. Am probably going to try feral after reset tho

[gleaming imp]

But you are miserable on bosses and it counters the fun

Xd

At least for me

I still get the urge to play it tho

[slow saddle]

Hmm i for real

Gonna level ret next

When my dk and war are geared

[lone raft]

1. This one combines half the opener into one button you can spam press - this button will not work if avatar is on CD and you want to cast just CS into Demo, just take off bloodfury ofc

#showtooltip Avatar
/startattack
/cast Blood Fury
/castsequence reset=target/10 Avatar, Colossus Smash, Demolish"

2. This one is just to put Demolish and CS into one button and spam press it

#showtooltip Demolish
/startattack
/castsequence reset=target/6 Colossus Smash, Demolish

3. This one will prioritize heroic strike when it procs over overpower

#showtooltip
/startattack
/use [known:Heroic Strike] Heroic Strike; Overpower

[radiant dawn]

this the realest problem

don't care for fury, other melee specs are whatever to me atm

[distant coyote]

How is arms for m+ now

[candid pecan]

Colossus - ok ST, insane AOE

[thick hamlet]

is colossus st really okay? i thought it was like bottom1 in the game

[candid pecan]

if you start the bossfight with 2-3 stacks of apex and get HS/tactitican procs early, then yes

oh and if MS crits back to back

[slow saddle]

Until u play with a good ret🤣

Then u realise. U got decent aoe, and atrocious st

[stable inlet]

in a similar boat but kinda opposite, feral is the only melee spec i enjoy, but i haven't played arms yet and was going to start on reset too

[jolly lily]

So guys, did sm1 do the math? how much % buff overall ST

[slow saddle]

No. More interrestingly increases st gap esp in m+

[thick hamlet]

mine comes up to 3.5%

[slow saddle]

But in m+ way less🤣

If thats all

I cba

Arms needs 10/12k st

Tbh 20 but whos countin

[thick hamlet]

20k is a lot

[slow saddle]

M8

We sim 94k now?

Uh id 120/130k?

20k is a lot but puts us upper mid, but we loose st going aoe. Where as top specs looses less

Or am i wrong?

[thick hamlet]

maybe that's true on paper but in practice it's not the way it works

[slow saddle]

I mean have u seen

Dks

Locks

Rets

Fm

It is exactly how it works😅

U can by being extremly good at some target count // timera compensate

[hot current]

You are correct, saw one rank 1 warrior in some boss fight where he did less dmg st on boss than both tanks while being the best overall

[slow saddle]

Exactly

[thick hamlet]

on salahdar hc which is the most st fight cutrently unh does around 69k avg dps, while arms does 60k avg, this is a big difference

[hot current]

Buff nortal strike by 40%

[thick hamlet]

arms gaining 20k over that would just be way overtuned

[slow saddle]

Is that only boss dmg?

Apple pie sp

I dont think u understand quite how it works

That 20k comes at max gear

Its a scale

We arent at max gear

If theres 9k difference now its a what 15% gap?