#arms

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nova marsh
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16k is very generous tbh

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The dirt napers do negative

rose ibex
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at last i can craft a mythic weapon

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i am very excited

summer niche
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We are not many.
But we are brave.
We slaughter our enemies with great passion.
Only to serve our own will.

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Bodybuilding is a req. in order to play Warrior good

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So hop on the gym and then into the game boys

swift crown
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Ok Lorgok

atomic mountain
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hey. i am forced to do dps in raid today. ánything changed to last addon as arms?

nova marsh
atomic mountain
rose ibex
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single target is crappy doodoo

atomic mountain
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just follow wowhead then?

thick kelp
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yeah

rose ibex
atomic mountain
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kk thx

dim basalt
gaunt owl
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Revvez is playing Arms right now

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everybody should hop on his stream

simple lintel
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I'm so glad the slayer notes got changed on the ptr. Been enjoying it so much in m+.

thick kelp
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method and liquid dont have a dps warr in comp

gaunt owl
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proof Revvez is the GOAT

halcyon valve
plucky fern
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this arms spec definetly needs a nerf

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call blizzard asap

slender sonnet
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slayer arms

carmine flower
slender sonnet
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7

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xd

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my key was so low

carmine flower
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U reckon slayer will be better to farm 10s?

slender sonnet
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I dunno

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It's better on bosses

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For sure

carmine flower
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Then i imagine so…

weak wave
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Is Fury really so far ahead to arms? My M+ build sims (Fury with arms stats) tell me 50k vs 67k in ST

plucky fern
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so far from my experience
colo arms > thane fury > slayer arms
im farming 10s, a few 12 here and there

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for keys

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colo does the most overall damage by far
fury is better for ST if you care about that
slayer is just bad

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like yeah you get like 5% for st compared to colo but like 20% less aoe

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not worth the hussle

slender sonnet
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I get a decent chunk more ST from Slayer in keys

carmine flower
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Im too UNCed out to farm as fury 2 - 3 keys max before i wanna pass away

weak wave
plucky fern
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the thing is
theres not much pure st in this season
you are cleaving like every second boss

slender sonnet
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yeah I did 1 key as fury and crashed out immediately back to arms

muted acorn
# slender sonnet slayer arms

What is your build mate? Are you using the same class and spec talents from col m+? Just changing the hero spec to slayer?

plucky fern
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i swapped momentum and mass execution for OF+MP in colo and st is just fine, probably thats why i dont see much difference with slayer
it still sims 20% more than slayer in aoe even with this build

weak wave
plucky fern
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im not 100% sure but i think if we are talking about priority damage in aoe scenario colo might still be better
as slayer you spend eternity spinning in your bladestorm effectively doing zero prio damage, your fervor 'funnel' is worse since slam hits harder in colo etc

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slayer is just better in 'long pure st fight'

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which is really like 10% of content right now

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pls dont cope about slayer
i mean if you really like the spec go for it, its viable
but its not better

astral yarrow
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pull trash onto boss and colarms is suddenly looking good okayge

weak wave
plucky fern
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you are still mostly cleaving and overpowering as slayer

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and spending sd procs

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you dont really even press normal execute

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in aoe

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its way less prio damage than you think

muted acorn
muted acorn
thick kelp
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you certainly are not spending majority of your pull ssing executes

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and even if you did it wouldnt matter cuz executes damage is so weak

weak wave
thick kelp
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And your argument is silly as colossus spends a whole lot of time sweeping mortal strikes and OP's

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whilst also having fob

muted acorn
thick kelp
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Also demolish first two hits are ST so technically thats even more funnl

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and u sweep those two hits aswell

weak wave
thick kelp
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Only "funnel" slayer has is unhinged

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"tons"

weak wave
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Slayer MS generally hits harder than Colossus MS

plucky fern
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xd

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its not true

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not even close

thick kelp
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so now you are just lying

weak wave
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It is cause of more Executes

plucky fern
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slayer ms hits like a wet noodle

thick kelp
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Slayer has 1 MS amp in fierce followthru

weak wave
thick kelp
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you mean EP?

weak wave
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Yes

thick kelp
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Colossus has EP aswell :)

weak wave
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Sure but you don‘t press Execute that much

thick kelp
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but you could

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if it mattered

plucky fern
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increased amount of SD procs will not offset the fact that colo ms hits 20% harder baseline

thick kelp
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but it doesnt!

plucky fern
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also guaranteed crit after demolish

thick kelp
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Also purely due to this talent

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Colossus mogs slayer in prio damag

weak wave
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Why are we even discussing this? Sim your Colossus and your Slayer build in ST. Slayer will win by far.

plucky fern
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MS HS slam everything does 20% more
also cleave hits like a truck in colo
if we are still talking 'prio damage in aoe'
you press more MS than slayer, your cleave does much more damage to a prio target (as well as all the other targets, but still), you fervor HS hits more

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and slayer has like what

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1.5 times more sd procs?

plucky fern
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w/e im not continuing this converstaion

weak wave
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ST is prio dmg

plucky fern
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this guy is clueless

thick kelp
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5T pull for 2mins Colossus deals 135k dps to its maintarget vs Slayer dealing 123k dps to its main target

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I can literally sim this

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to prove you wrong

plucky fern
thick kelp
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so colossus has more prio/funnel what ever u want to call it

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on a pure ST boss in a key then slayer is better

bronze kraken
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absolutely exited to get back to arms after my hands hurts from being fury. whats our core rotation (collossus) nowadays?

thick kelp
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but anything else is just colossus >>

bronze kraken
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is it up to date?

thick kelp
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yes

bronze kraken
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thanks! 🙂

slender sonnet
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I need to do more delves

weak wave
thick kelp
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funnel / prio means that there is multple (2-10) targets to hti

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where one (1) has to die fast

fossil thistle
thick kelp
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massive difference

slender sonnet
astral yarrow
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funnel would also mean that multiple targets would increase your damage to a single target

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spriest generate more resources from having dots on multiple targets as an example

latent moss
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arms gets 4set + fob + collat + bloodsurge

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prolly has more

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but arms actually has funnel now

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tho i dont think it scales past 3t

astral yarrow
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vanguard anyone?

spring vale
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You guys can do nightmare preys if you hate delve 👁️

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Counts as t8 for vault

slender sonnet
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good to know tbh

slow saddle
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Hmm col actuallly not that clunky i keys

slender sonnet
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I really like it

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it feels better than slayer sometimes imo

solemn blaze
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is arms good with the 4 set? 👀

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or is it still doodoo

halcyon valve
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4set is crazy

solemn blaze
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No cap?

latent moss
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ye 4set is insane

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for arms

steep osprey
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you're insane

latent moss
marsh hamlet
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Regarding those PTR changes for warrior, when should we expect them being implemented in the game?

steep osprey
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a month or so

mortal crag
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@latent moss gimme a colo talent tree for m+

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i wanna sim

latent moss
mortal crag
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hm

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is wrecking throw too good on most m+?

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i usually dont run it

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fearless goes CRAZY tho

mortal crag
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or is it the same?

latent moss
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u cleave on st

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it is different id say

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not much tho

rancid willow
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Why did I craft all my stuff with fury missives?! 😡

thick kelp
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Just read the wowhead guide madge

rancid willow
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Am I cooked?

mortal crag
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man i thought this is soda for a sec

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rip sodagodx

safe jay
latent moss
mortal crag
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i meant rotationally

safe jay
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Autocast SS on WB, Demolish was improved aswell

latent moss
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same rotationally

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cleave>ms>op

mortal crag
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butu said cleave on st

safe jay
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triple cleave after WB is fun I guess

latent moss
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uhm akshually its quadruple cleave 🤓

slow saddle
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U hs> ms>op>cleave r in st

safe jay
blissful tinsel
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Just slammed 11 seat and demolished the other two dps, I think arms is pretty alright lads

mortal crag
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but smashing 10-11s doesnt say anything

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esp not week 1-2

latent moss
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on st

mortal crag
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still nice tho

blissful tinsel
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it's fine for now I guess haha

marsh hamlet
latent moss
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some new findings havent been pushed like sudden death usage

mortal crag
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maybe ill try

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some keys

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i cant imagine it outperforms fury st tho

latent moss
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on st u can use sd whenever as long as ravager isnt up and ms is on cd

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it doesnt but it outperforms on aoe

mortal crag
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by how much?

blissful tinsel
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people are surprised as fuck

latent moss
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im doing 150k+ overalls in 12s all the time

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pulling 500k+ on big pulls

mortal crag
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im doing 150k overalls in 13s

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on fury

latent moss
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without an on use cause i dont want to use puzzy b

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ye but i play iwht pugs who cant pull

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xdd

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did a 12 pit with a friend on tank did 200k

mortal crag
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i also pug huh

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mf

latent moss
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or pugs that force me to spam shockwave

mortal crag
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yeah

latent moss
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gg

mortal crag
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bro thinks i have a special team or some shit

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SEAL TEAM SIX

latent moss
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idk people usually play premade keks

mortal crag
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i gotta go to physical therapy i got hit by a car 2 weeks ago

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ill go back and try to steal my friend's resi 15s and get back to u

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eta gg

mortal crag
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(i wish it were me)

latent moss
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at least i havent seen him play fuyr

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idk the dungeons well yet but if ure consistently allowed to pull on top of the boss colo outdamages fury on boss damage

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i think wahle sent a sim colo doing 130k dps to the main target

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from 3t funnel

mortal crag
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whats teh funnel

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like how does it work

steep osprey
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IT's because of FoB

latent moss
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colossal might + 4set + fob + collat + bloodsurge

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collat cleaves FUCK

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cleave FUCKS*

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idk how bloodsurge works but i assume u get more rage if u have rend on more targets

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@mortal crag make sure to not overwrite ss with broad strokes ss

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they dont stack

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also a tip: pool rage by autoattacking while tank is gathering

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ure very rage hungry on opener with crushing combo and nothing generates rage on opener anymore

latent moss
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when i play premade with tank friend i tell him to keep good aggro on 1 mob so i can start stacking cm

latent moss
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or i dont ss at all before cs

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ss after ur broad strokes ss is gone

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by the time broad stroke ss is gone u want to reapply rend too from my experience

latent moss
leaden garnet
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Still sort of unsure how to use crests. I just got 266 ilvl Solarflare Prism - do I just full send upgrades on it?

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Since it enables partial mythic track upgrade

floral ledge
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is it cleave over slam in mm+ single target ?

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as colossus

slender sonnet
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12 pit, completely forgor to use my puzzle box apart from on first pull and last boss

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xD

leaden garnet
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e.g. Ravager is out, Collateral Damage from SS hits

floral ledge
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like here at 13.07

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there is no buff but he is using cleave

thick kelp
# floral ledge there is no buff but he is using cleave
actions.colossus_st+=/cleave,if=buff.ravager.remains|buff.collateral_damage.stack=3
actions.colossus_st+=/overpower
actions.colossus_st+=/whirlwind,if=active_enemies=2&buff.collateral_damage.stack=3
actions.colossus_st+=/cleave,if=talent.mass_execution&target.health.pct<35
actions.colossus_st+=/execute
actions.colossus_st+=/wrecking_throw,if=active_enemies=1
actions.colossus_st+=/rend,if=dot.rend_dot.remains<=gcd*5
actions.colossus_st+=/slam```
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Missplay 👍

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but i am lookin at the time stamp

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and he didnt press cleave

floral ledge
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few sec after during all fight for this boss

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u can see

latent moss
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cleave>slam always

thick kelp
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First time i see him pressing cleave is at 13:32

latent moss
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with m+ colo

thick kelp
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Legit just psoted the proper prio above

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madg

latent moss
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did this get removed or what

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i just ran quick sim gg

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didnt get pushed i assume

thick kelp
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confusing me

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but yes that did get removed

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due to the cleave nerf

latent moss
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actions.colossus_st=rend,if=dot.rend_dot.remains<=gcd|cooldown.colossus_smash.remains<2&dot.rend_dot.remains<=10
actions.colossus_st+=/sweeping_strikes,if=active_enemies=2&(cooldown.colossus_smash.remains&buff.sweeping_strikes.down|!talent.broad_strokes)
actions.colossus_st+=/ravager,if=cooldown.colossus_smash.remains<=gcd
actions.colossus_st+=/avatar
actions.colossus_st+=/colossus_smash
actions.colossus_st+=/cleave,if=buff.ravager.remains&buff.collateral_damage.stack=3
actions.colossus_st+=/heroic_strike
actions.colossus_st+=/champions_spear
actions.colossus_st+=/demolish,if=debuff.colossus_smash.up&buff.colossal_might.stack>0|talent.master_of_warfare.rank=4
actions.colossus_st+=/mortal_strike
actions.colossus_st+=/cleave,if=buff.ravager.remains|buff.collateral_damage.stack=3
actions.colossus_st+=/overpower
actions.colossus_st+=/whirlwind,if=active_enemies=2&buff.collateral_damage.stack=3
actions.colossus_st+=/cleave,if=talent.mass_execution&target.health.pct<35
actions.colossus_st+=/execute
actions.colossus_st+=/wrecking_throw,if=active_enemies=1
actions.colossus_st+=/rend,if=dot.rend_dot.remains<=gcd*5
actions.colossus_st+=/cleave,if=!talent.martial_prowess
actions.colossus_st+=/slam
thick kelp
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gg old apl

latent moss
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looking at profile from html report

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gg

umbral badger
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guys guys, does anyone notice this sometimes not applying ?

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or am i just crazy 😮

slow saddle
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Crazy

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Dw lasts 6sec

slender sonnet
livid cloak
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I have abandoned my arms so far

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Maybe this weekend I take him for a spin

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Been playing blood dk

fresh spire
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arms is pretty fun in keys

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just its ST is still a little weak

slender sonnet
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I've just hit 2.7 on my arms

livid cloak
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I did 1 key as slayer in keys and it was so fun

slender sonnet
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been playing around with my rdruid aswell

livid cloak
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But I imagine colossus is still the big play. I like colossus

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Sometimes you gotta take the dps out back and put em down

slender sonnet
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real

livid cloak
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I imagine arms scales well with key level

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Until you hit the boss

slender sonnet
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ya lol

thick kelp
livid cloak
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My arms is only 250, my dk is 266 with 4p. It'll feel weird going backwards

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But I'm missing cleave and demolish

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It felt like shit with so little haste

heavy heron
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In keys im having a blast, in raid not so much except for the council

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Also my guild goes doomer mode if i show up as arms xd

livid cloak
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Imma try to pug normal and see if I can grab a tier piece.

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This weekend

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Does the 4p feel impactful? What is the cs uptime like?

thick kelp
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up from like 35% ish

livid cloak
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Nice

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I bet its even better in keys with crushing combo

thick kelp
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yep

livid cloak
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Not an arms question, but does anyone have any advice for positioning the coreright boss in NXP? Its been the most problematic boss ive had pugging. Everyone keeps dropping shit in the middle and then getting knocked into beams.

Ive tried tanking him in the middle, and also on edge and kinda moving him around to clear areas

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And I cannot tell if its boss positioning or people just being ass with puddle drops and positioning

hollow eagle
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Should we only be using demolish/bladestorm during colossus smash?

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or is it okay to use outside?

fresh spire
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during

lyric hound
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+/- we get some more ST love today?

hollow eagle
leaden garnet
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Technically, there will be situations (particularly in m+) where desyncing them is the stronger choice

vapid spire
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Anyone has what the next tuning notes ^

vapid goblet
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better luck next xpac

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perhaps they will finnaly rework arms

rose ibex
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Made a mythic weapon

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My boss dummy single target went from 38k to 42k

minor gust
minor gust
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Gaming think I'm at like 30 20 21

mortal crag
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sorry was at physio t

sharp goblet
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avoid overriding regular sweeping strikes with the proc from broad strokes when you cs

rancid robin
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Holy maisara run xD

jovial hare
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so ss when u use broad strokes right

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after

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sorry

dire hinge
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They don’t stack

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If you use CS youll get a fresh set of SS (this is Broad Strokes)

So don’t use your normal SS if you plan on casting CS soon.

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It munches the overlap

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CS -> use your free stacks -> SS to fill any gaps if it runs out-> CS as soon as it’s available

sharp goblet
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generally you space them out by like 20ish seconds

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and rotate

misty bridge
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Where can I find the apl, it doesn't seems be on simulationcraft?

fervent cedar
sand totem
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Convinced my priest to PI me

Only to have it disqualify my parse sadge

proper moth
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Lmao

low crystal
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New here; been testing about with Slayer in M+ because of the recent execute buffs; any strong opinions on it?

thick kelp
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bad

hushed pine
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"Okay" single target, decent to meh aoe

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Colo better for M+

atomic mountain
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al bosses in raid have trash, do i take multitarget slayer then?

rose ibex
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Otherwise your bs doesn't last through your cs debuff after cleave combo

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But just theories here. Im a poor set-less mongrel and colossus does little more damage in m+

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But worse single target for sure

hollow eagle
tranquil solstice
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oh boy oh boy. why did i open vault on my alt. cant get invited to keys. 20min in lfg with my +2 0 signs at all.

minor gust
# thick kelp bad

Did a bunch of slayer keys last night. It ain't bad at all. Most competitive slayer has even been with Colo. Colo still wins out tho

rose ibex
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Slayer way more fun

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Procs fun

steep osprey
minor gust
slender sonnet
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pure ST on vorasius and NK, TC+powerful momentum and the CS/SS talent on dragons. Colossus on 1st boss and paladins

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and idfk about crown

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atleast imo

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i play slayer m+ build on crown but it feels pointless

wind hatch
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i think u just take pure single target on crown

slender sonnet
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might aswell just go pure st

wind hatch
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maybe take broad strokes

slender sonnet
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ya

rose ibex
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We really need better single target talents

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Feels like you lose a massive amount of aoe for the piddliest single target increase

steep osprey
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Yep

rose ibex
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An yeah we wreck house in m+ but its like a 5 to 10% aoe increase over top specs for a -50 to -60% on single target

steep osprey
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They should revamp some of those aoe talents for ST ones

rose ibex
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Or just make better single target

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Im fine with absolutely dumpstering my aoe if it means I can dish out good st for raid

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With different talent builds

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Not going to pretend like Id know what is needed tho

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Our single target stuff seems heavily tuned towards the execute window which is kind of just not very useful

spring vale
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SS cleave % needs to go down and then they can finally give us real ST

rose ibex
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Race should be ending soon right? Then they can make some actual changes

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Liquid got first i think

spring vale
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🙏

rose ibex
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Rogues have been struggling too

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For the amount of effort they put in outlaw should be pumping

slow saddle
rose ibex
slow saddle
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Or less aoe talents

rose ibex
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Normally arms is designed in a way where you sacrifice all your single target to do aoe and vice versa. Just atm sacrificing your aoe gives you very piddly single target

slow saddle
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Thats a good thing

rose ibex
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At least thats how it feels

dire hinge
slow saddle
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Loosing little st for aoe is good

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If our st just simmed 115/ 120

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Like top builds

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We would not have this conversation

rose ibex
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I think you misread what I said

obtuse sphinx
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now better colossus or slayer?

rose ibex
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Im just saying in the past I think with arms you usually had to all in aoe or single target with your talents and the damage was reasonable with what you specced into. No middle ground.

But currently it seems like by giving up your aoe with talent selection you gain very little at all in single target damage increases

worldly rivet
dire hinge
rose ibex
worldly rivet
rose ibex
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Is the bleed crit talent really worth taking? I guess it save you some applications of rend but its just so underwhelming at a glance

worldly rivet
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It's a dumb interaction.

rose ibex
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And it only has the 5+ crit chance under 35% hp, right?

worldly rivet
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Arms has the worst capstone talents imo for any spec in the game.

rose ibex
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Kill avatar

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Sacrifice it

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Make our capstones better

worldly rivet
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Avatar, tactician, the free rend in execute phase... Lazy af.

rose ibex
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Make them as cool a shadow priest

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If we had a juiced up skullsplitter with super bloody visuals as a capstone that would be kinda sick

wise wren
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you know what makes any spec sick is when you can commit ww2 atrocities onnit and unfortunately dps warrior has not done that for years now

rose ibex
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I just wanna bonk, man

marble kayak
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What is this guy talking about?

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What's broken?

dire hinge
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ask him idk

slow saddle
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Cos also means u give up little st to go aoe😅, c what i did there

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With cleave being main,aoe
Theres little reason ms // op // hs cant be strongrr

rancid robin
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Idk what they are taking to make this data but it's here x)

dire hinge
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highest keys done basically

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it's overly simple

rancid robin
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their range of key is +7 to +16 atm

marble kayak
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Yeah I just don't get what's "broken" or being misrepresented and the guy is too AFK to answer me. Figured the warrior discord might know what the hell he's on about.

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This just in!

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Is this dude just bullshittin' or?

dire hinge
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just outdated info

minor gust
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Apex was having some issues last week

dire hinge
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it was a DPS loss to take it early in the expansion, blizzard entirely reworked it, then it was briefly broken again (but only in sims, but this is also fixed)

minor gust
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It's been fixed

slow saddle
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The bug was in beta when it didnt consume hs but gave stacks

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Also biz is playin arms gettin our numbers up

dim basalt
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Biz is cracked

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Who was the guy yesterday who claimed Arms isn't gonna be meta

marble kayak
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I'm just so tired of fury lol.

minor gust
dim basalt
elder path
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Yea looks crazy in phys comp

minor gust
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With how good brew is should be looking good but fury is still pretty good. Def can play either arms or fury rn

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All depends how things shake up here in the next few weeks

rose ibex
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How does brew boost physical?

minor gust
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Monk debuff

dim basalt
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Pwar is also looking really good

minor gust
dim basalt
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Ye

rose ibex
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Does it just passively increase phys damage?

minor gust
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Monk has increased phys dmg debuff DH has increased magic dmg

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It's their version of a bshout or motw or skyfury

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Last expansion M+ balance was so good we had the birth of the phys comp magic comp

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Instead of just the one God comp

rose ibex
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Oh craaaazy

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Hmmm

#

Is race not over til next raid can be completed?...

elder path
#

Yea rogue and feral Druid are the other dps

#

Sometimes hunter

rose ibex
#

If so, thats kinda stupid right?

elder path
#

It’s weird but idk if stupid is the right word

rose ibex
#

All the other teams can just catch up now

elder path
#

They tried something different and I don’t figure they expected crown to just die in 30 pulls

rose ibex
#

Fair enough

elder path
#

The only other team in race is echo and they already killed the boss this morning lol

rose ibex
#

Hey im all for making norms and heroic raid more accessible for pugging

elder path
#

It giving more teams time to “catch up” is objectively good bc the race has been a two team race for years

rose ibex
#

I just want it to end so real tuning can begin

elder path
#

But realistically no one else other and liquid or method will be able to actually prog Midnight Falls nearly as well unless it’s a stupid easy fight which would be a disaster

#

Sorry not method

#

Echo

rose ibex
#

Yeah. Just seems silly to call it a race when it seems more like it'll be a sprint to see who can finish the march on quel denas faster

minor gust
#

They ain't waiting till after the race

#

Unless they change their minds

rose ibex
#

Oh I thought it was a thing where they dont really make drastic changes and try to keep things reasonably samish during race

#

Like no talent reworks or anything spicy like that

#

Its the only reason I can think of why some classes just get completely ignored despite being miles above everything else in all categories

stable fiber
minor gust
#

Normally they don't no but this expansion is different as they confirmed 4 dates for tuning this time around.

stable fiber
#

ts spec

#

is too good

minor gust
stable fiber
#

been awhile since ive had this much fun in m+

minor gust
#

Cleave em down. Getting ready to expect another cleave nerf and ST buff

weak rain
minor gust
#

If Blizz is based they also buff reap give slayer some more juice

minor gust
weak rain
minor gust
#

Beta tier list believers in shambles right now

odd ledge
#

do you cleave in colossus ravager st opener?

minor gust
# stable fiber

Lemme guess the key MT? That place has so many smallies for Colo to blow up

stable fiber
#

pit of saron

minor gust
#

Did almost 170 in MT last night

stable fiber
#

did like 195k in a mt

#

was juice

minor gust
#

Yeah MT is my fav dung of the season so far

candid pecan
#

maybe some1 else can help

#

during ravager cleave>slam on ST, that's for sure.

#

quick math ratge

slim iron
#

My macro that is probably a bad habit to have:

/cast avatar
/use 13
/use 14

The above worked for my just fine and today it wasn't using the trinket even though avatar went.. the trinket has an on use effect and wsnt on cd (bc i was able to manually bind it to something else and it worked). Is this user user or did something change?

astral yarrow
#

ox = puzzle box?

slim iron
#

Sorry, avatar

astral yarrow
#

i am confused

#

do you have an on use trinket that doesnt wokr in that macro

slim iron
#

Yes..

astral yarrow
#

should work, as i've done the same

stable fiber
#

170k in a seat of triumvirate

#

sheesh

#

FORGOT TO LOGGGG

#

i log this one

#

🪵

#

w/o shaman buff also

slim iron
fervent cedar
#

that trinket is giga turbo dogshit

slim iron
#

Why?

rose ibex
#

Its evil

#

It betrays you

#

Do not place your trust in evil witchcraft

minor gust
#

Hope your making the tank pull shit on boss

fresh mist
#

saw an arms smashing dps in mythics is it goods or am i dreaming

fervent cedar
#

overall is very good

astral yarrow
#

59k st sim wooo

fervent cedar
# slim iron Why?

it literally stuns you if you dont kill something 20 sec after using it

#

actively griefs you

#

dont use it

fresh mist
#

so can not play fury 😮 and do well

lone yarrow
#

it's a horrify

#

horrify is the type of fear that is used in cases where you're definitely getting it

#

since there never was a way to remove it in game ever aside from bubble or some other gimmick immunity ig

fervent cedar
#

you can't remove it

#

you get to sit there for 5 seconds doing nothing

minor gust
fervent cedar
lyric hound
#

Yikes man m+ representation should tell blizzard everything they need to know

#

The few the proud boyz

fervent cedar
minor gust
#

Too many tier list andys

fervent cedar
#

Even I got gaslit into thining arms would be beans

lyric hound
#

Still tho there are 5 specs under 20k with a 25k gap. The other 4 have some of the same sort of issues we do

fresh mist
#

just makes me want to play arms more

minor gust
#

It's just player count

#

Shit don't matter

fervent cedar
#

The minute I started playing arms in keys my guild was shocked

#

they had no idea arms could blast that much in aoe

minor gust
#

There's always underplayed specs and it's not just for performance

lyric hound
#

Player count is an indicator of profile problems not just raw performance

fervent cedar
#

its more an indication of player perception more than anything

minor gust
#

^

lyric hound
#

If the perception was wrong I’d agree. It’s not lol

fervent cedar
#

like I dont think survival is a particularly bad spec at all in M+ but people see MM and BM cranking they flock to those specs

minor gust
#

The perception is in fact wrong

fervent cedar
#

arms is absolutely blasting on overall

minor gust
#

Unless you think arms is bad in keys for some reason?

fervent cedar
#

fury brings better ST and prio sure, but arms aoe is actually kind of ridiculous

minor gust
#

Arms also has really good funnel right now

lyric hound
#

Overall sure. In well aware I’m doing great in keys. That doesn’t mean the perception is wrong cause we’re enjoying the output

#

Our boss damage in keys is dogshit still. The perception is accurate lol

minor gust
#

Boss damage ain't a problem if you pull shit onto boss

fervent cedar
#

^

lyric hound
#

That’s not boss damage lol

minor gust
#

It is you know what funnel means right?

fiery zenith
#

and for people pushing 17s that would matter if I take a guess none of the people talking right now are doing that

minor gust
#

You can play anything in low keys. It doesn't matter

lyric hound
#

And ppl still aren’t playing arms cause the perception is accurate

restive widget
#

Yo would colossus smash snapshot for demolish if using it at the end of the debuff

minor gust
fiery zenith
#

look at this dude they don't understand data sway

lyric hound
#

Lmao brother, it’s not data sway. The bottom 5 specs are all fucked

#

They are thr worst balanced specs in the game

fiery zenith
#

dude's gotta be at least 2/9 and crushing 16s

lyric hound
#

What does my progression have to do with facts?

#

If you want arms to be shitty just say that lol

fiery zenith
#

Skill issue

lyric hound
#

It’s not

fervent cedar
#

🪤

#

total ragebait

thick kelp
#

Arms is good in keys

#

end of story

minor gust
#

^

lyric hound
#

When did I say it wasn’t tho? Being good in keys isn’t being a balanced spec…yall gotta be trolling lol

minor gust
#

Arms gonna get another ST buff and cleave nerf relax

#

Go back to consuming slop

fervent cedar
#

You repeatedly said perception of arms is accurate, perception of arms is that its beans and its not

fiery zenith
#

balanced spec is one that's not bottom 5

#

there will always be a bottom 5 spec

#

spec will never be balanced

#

take shot

#

blizzard sux xd

lyric hound
wide needle
#

But it's a better key spec lol

flat willow
#

no way, you'd take an arms warrior over anything that ins't

fiery zenith
#

no way you're pugging xd

minor gust
flat willow
#

mage/unholy dk/aug

lyric hound
#

The amount of cope lmao

#

I thought refs were delusional

flat willow
#

devourer owns but they are all shit

#

so i wouldn't invite one

#

sorry forgot warlock, i'd take a warlock

minor gust
#

It's gonna take a lot of time for people to realize arms ain't shit

fervent cedar
#

my rating and my ilvl is good enough people dont really give a shit lol

minor gust
#

Just how it is, but IDC about people who pug keys

slow saddle
#

Playerbase

minor gust
#

Pug key players complaining is a tale as old as time

#

And not worth listening too

slow saddle
#

Facts🤣

wind hatch
#

7/9 normal player is speaking, listen and learn

fiery zenith
#

yall were absolutely dooming too just like two weeks ago

#

it's how class discords always go

flat willow
#

2 weeks ago was like 2 buffs ago

obsidian otter
minor gust
tacit crystal
#

it still needs god

lyric hound
tacit crystal
#

even if it feels good rn

fiery zenith
#

yah almost like they hadn't done the tuning yet they said they were going to do you bellend

tacit crystal
#

like spec is designed horribly

fiery zenith
#

Do not agree with me cretin

lyric hound
fiery zenith
#

that is very funny lmao

fiery zenith
#

nevermind talk more

dire hinge
#

What is happening right now lmao

tacit crystal
#

gm hrothmar

minor gust
#

An internet classic

dire hinge
#

Good morning!

fiery zenith
dire hinge
#

If you guys wanna kiss just take it to DMs

dire hinge
jolly lily
#

is this ring real ?

kind thunder
#

is arms cooked or playable?

jolly lily
#

Good in M+

dire hinge
#

Playable for sure

#

Needs god in M+ single target but our AoE makes up for it

#

And most of this raid has cleave at some point so it keeps us alive

rose ibex
#

We slay weaklings

#

Leave the bosses to the others

lyric hound
kind thunder
#

time to get avoided like the plague cuz all the tierlists be dooming arms

rose ibex
#

Tier lists are for weaklings

kind thunder
#

indeed

dire hinge
#

Also every key is a joke this season

#

So it shouldn’t matter

rose ibex
dire hinge
#

You can knock a 10 over with a stiff breeze

rose ibex
#

Feel like I should just keep things at 7 and blast til im full hero gear

dire hinge
#

Just go do a 12 tbh

#

Get as much io as you can do you’re higher on the applicant list

rose ibex
#

I did a 12 dragon hogwarts and it was pretty dicey. Down to single digits

#

Prolly need better gear

dire hinge
#

That one is a bit rougher than the others fwiw

rose ibex
#

Yeah I think it would have been fine if we just took things slower

#

Still, epic ending it with like 6s

raw atlas
#

Any tips for ST? done 14 WS average dps is fine but ST on boss is atrocious

hushed topaz
#

I have been queuing as fury but swapping to arms. I doubt most groups who invite even look at your spec tho tbh

dire hinge
stable fiber
#

IF

#

anytime ive had funnel i have cranked the actual boss

minor gust
#

Funnel/prio is goated always in keys

kind thunder
#

is ST so bad cuz of shit tuning?

minor gust
#

Yes

#

Arms received multiple unwarranted nerfs in beta that they are slowly undoing

brisk orbit
#

trying to make arms work cus im enjoying it so far. Is there any world where we play slayer in keys to help our pretty abysmal ST? or just lean full into the aoe

slow saddle
#

i mean

#

first of

#

collosus st isnt THAT bad

#

its bad but its not THAT bad

spring vale
#

I mean you can play Slayer but Colo AoE is just way better. Prob best to just accept piss boss damage and carry in the trash packs instead

slow saddle
#

just get lucky with MS resets

#

😉

brisk orbit
#

does the tier help a decent amount? i dont have it yet but it looks decent?

#

for st

rose ibex
#

Slayer is perfectly fine

#

But colossus is better

#

Slayer is just fun

brisk orbit
#

flask crit still for dungeons? or haste

tacit crystal
#

@minor gust you know what key arms is crazy on

#

seat

#

you can pull like 5 packs onto boss

slow saddle
#

hmm

#

do we still not have any way to

#

c HS procs

#

?

#

in cdm

latent moss
#

track slam on cdm xd

tacit crystal
#

only seeing slam change

latent moss
#

thats what i do

rose ibex
#

I just made macro that overwrites overpower whenever hs is up

minor gust
rose ibex
#

Not sure if thats smart but I havent had issues with it

slow saddle
#

move slam there

#

and hide it like an idiot

tacit crystal
#

sorry

slow saddle
#

how do u set it up again

#

to hide the unused

minor gust
#

First boss and 2nd yeah ex to pull some shit into 3rd and 4th harder

#

2nd boss don't even need to since it's 3 mobs that share same hp

tacit crystal
#

you can still pull 2 packs on 2nd

#

and

#

on 3 you can pull casters i think

#

what triggers the 3rd boss spawn

#

killing 2 of the prio guys

slow saddle
#

so opener is rend - rav - wb- cleave-cleave-lceave-cleave-Demolish ?

tacit crystal
#

ava cs

#

but rest yeah

slow saddle
#

y ava i would send with WB

minor gust
#

If you got demo stacks you can send demo after cs

rough pewter
#

Guys

#

I think Arms is good

minor gust
#

Tbh with 4pc you can hold Demo for 10 stacks but nbd

#

Should have almost 10 from building while tank pulls and doing your 4 cleaves and ms

rose ibex
#

Crunch
Whoosh whoosh whoosh whoosh
Cling clang CLONG

scarlet garnet
#

How’re the boys frothing legs atm

#

I mean arms

mint patio
hushed pine
lone raft
candid pecan
#

tuning SOON ratge

#

perhaps

worldly rivet
candid pecan
#

blizz devs finish work in 3 ish hours

#

upcoming tuning on the 31st, we might know today

karmic reef
candid pecan
#

wait actually?

#

HOLY???

karmic reef
#

we're so back

minor gust
karmic reef
glass compass
#

HOLD ON

#

HOLD

minor gust
#

slowly getting those beta nerfs reverted

candid pecan
#

20% EXECUTE

#

HOLLYYYYYYYYYY

fresh spire
#

HOLUY

sacred hatch
#

yoooooooo

lone raft
#

buff execute

#

I called that shit

#

I knew it

remote pivot
#

uff I need sims

lament bluff
#

How many % we win ?

serene horizon
#

Bro whar

rancid robin
#

we're gonna really strong lol

fresh spire
#

gimme 5 ill have sims

#

:weresoback:

tight wing
#

I feel like we're almost there guys

fresh spire
#

execute was already overtaking slam and cleaves in execute after the MS buff and cleave nerfs

stable fiber
#

Arms meta in m+

#

Btw

river ridge
#

a tad surprised Fury didn't get any changes

rancid robin
#

like, we're alrdy almost perma top dps cuz of our AOE

But we're lowkey ahead of tank on boss

#

but with this patch HOLLYYYYY

fresh spire
#

fury is still powerful in raid

#

were more suprised thane isnt getting nerfed

#

so we wont complain about that

vital mulch
#

Moar Arms buffs kewl

halcyon valve
#

Holy shit more arms buffs

#

What is going on

#

Have i died and gone to heaven?
Am i on drugs?

slow saddle
#

just did a key with a ret pala

#

he does Arms levels of aoe ( i know only a 10) WHILE doing more than me on ST ?

#

wtf

#

nearly 90k ST ?

spring vale
dreamy sandal
#

10% Execute DMG, Arms is saved guys

plain violet
#

finally execute on 40 rage going to be worth its price

stable fiber
#

Idk I was already doing 60-70k st dps in dungeons

river ridge
#

OP is 10

spring vale
rancid robin
worldly rivet
vast helm
#

so , why nerfs before ?

slow saddle
dreamy sandal
slow saddle
#

like i could play better but jesus

lone raft
#

how u get cursor like that

#

i stay losing my shit

candid pecan
slow saddle
#

i mean in AOE i accept defeat becasue he kills everything

#

Ultimate mouse

lone raft
#

ty

slow saddle
#

addon

#

ultimate cursor its called 😛

gusty oxide
#

We keep winning boys

dim basalt
#

The OP buff also buffs DN so thats a double win keks

lone raft
#

they finally realized homies want to see a fat execute

#

remaking classic for the 5th time got them thinking

fading isle
#

arms more viable for m+

#

lets go

gusty oxide
#

That's what, a 15% aura buff + a 7% buff via spells+ this one

lone raft
#

execute going to be prio now in ST?

shy dew
#

we need more

slow saddle
#

Ok im asking as morong

slow saddle
#

what buff to what

lone raft
#

20% execute buff 10% OP buff

#

scroll up

gusty oxide
#

This row is 20% execute and 10% OP

candid pecan
slow saddle
#

uhhhh

#

SO

river ridge
fading isle
#

Maybe 10% more to ms

slow saddle
#

now the 30% execute nerf we had

fading isle
#

imo

slow saddle
#

is reverted

fading isle
#

MS should be prioritized

slow saddle
#

wait so mby arms > fury in sims ?

vast helm
gusty oxide
#

Ehhh

candid pecan
#

should be right? arms was 95k, fury 101k? (slayer)

shy dew
#

more 20% at Overpower and 15 at MS will be fine

dire hinge
#

hmmNod nice nice

spring vale
#

Now the real question, what race do you guys feel like has good animations for arms warrior? Mine is nelf but the posture and plate looks a bit goofy on him.

shy dew
#

will be mid ST

lone raft
#

orc all day

slow saddle
#

Female Night elf

gusty oxide
#

I like the male BE stance with a 2H

river ridge
#

Pandaren, Mog is a struggle tho

fallen locust
#

Human Male

coarse bear
#

tauron

slow saddle
#

Human Warrior

#

sword

inner prawn
#

Arms buff lets gooo

slow saddle
#

done

lone raft
#

tauren with the totem could be fire

livid cloak
minor gust
#

Slayer stocks rise not much of a buff for colo since you cant press exe in keys outside of SD

brazen laurel
#

Arms literally back

stable fiber
topaz python
livid cloak
#

Although id love a slayer m plus season

topaz python
#

difference between two specs in ST would be even more noticable

stable fiber
worldly rivet
#

Back to back slayer buffs

halcyon valve
minor gust
#

very much can play slayer in keys if you wanted

river ridge
vast helm
strong void
#

Tauren is best cus they’re the biggest, nothing more to explain there

topaz python
gusty oxide
silk spade
minor gust
#

12.05 is a toss up because the changes very much is gonna require some big retuning

#

RN number wise 12.05 slayer still pretty dead

wispy kettle
tight wing
#

at least

#

we've been seen

minor gust
#

bro weve gotten buffs last 3 weeks

hushed pine
#

EXECUUUUUUUUUUUTE

minor gust
#

weve been seen

#

for awhile xD

ashen trout
#

20% exe buff pog

slow saddle
ashen trout
#

wonder if this'll be enough for keys or any fights

topaz python
#

at least execute would have more tooltip damage now than mortal strike

tight wing
#

yes, but this feels a bit better

slow saddle
#

Ala sks

dire hinge
brisk tapir
#

condemn go brrrrt

violet laurel
#

would the execute buff change m+ build

slow saddle
#

Still we are faaaaar behind

#

Uhdk

finite spire
#

any guesstimates on % improvement? This puts Arms like middle of the pack maybe?

topaz python
rose ibex
#

Big woooooosh

tight wing
#

specifically this is what makes it feel better lol

latent moss
livid cloak
stable fiber
latent moss
slow saddle
#

Now lets talk bout more rage

latent moss
#

sometimes i do good st like competing with others

tight wing
latent moss
#

cause my ms crits

#

and my tactician procs

minor gust
#

just gotta pull 2 more mobs onto boss

stable fiber
#

It's very rng with tactician resets and ms resets

minor gust
#

and boss dmg go up

tight wing
#

though, I feel like I've gotten worse at arms somehow, I'm WAY over generating rage

stable fiber
#

I wonder if you can play arms on the 2x dragon boss btw

#

Hmm

stable fiber
#

On mythic

midnight reef
#

Guys we are almost there

latent moss
#

arms aoe buff as well

tight wing
midnight reef
#

Just one more buff and we turn full ssj

stable fiber
storm canopy
#

arms over fury now in m+??

tight wing
stable fiber
midnight reef
minor gust
tight wing
#

cool

mental remnant
viscid crater
#

LOL

storm canopy
rose ibex
#

More arms buffs

#

Goooood

stable fiber
storm canopy
latent moss
ashen trout
#

especially on the few keys with multi target bosses, jelly fish and derelict duo arms pissblasts imo

latent moss
#

my stats are awful but no way it matters that much

wind hatch
#

arms is actually blasting in keys rn

languid torrent
#

execute buff goes so fucking hard

ashen trout
#

wonder if this'll make taking massacre or something similar worth it

#

prob not

minor gust
stable fiber
#

As Colo I don't think so

wind hatch
#

u can only really cast it on sudden death

#

unless ur rage capped

minor gust
#

Will move SD prio up a lot more at least

#

but you aint talenting into any exe talents as colo

#

shit still cheeks due to rage

tranquil valley
#

is arms going to be good now?

candid pecan
#

arms was good before

latent moss
#

@stable fiber do u log ur m+ runs

#

as arm

candid pecan
#

now it will be "gooder" ratge

rose ibex
#

Our execute is going from cooked noodle to uncooked noodle

stable fiber
#

I missed a lot though

latent moss
#

gg

stable fiber
#

U can check my wcl im on phone

tight wing
stable fiber
#

Yeah I had a addon turning my combatlog on and it stopped

latent moss
#

ngl im gonna start logging my keys

#

i wanna check how much dmg shit does

#

and its impossible cause details doesnt exist anymore

#

its soo annoying

minor gust
#

I fucking hate it too

steep osprey
#

Another arms buff

minor gust
#

time for more slayer keys next week

wind hatch
#

getting buffed on every single tuning pass lol

modern cove
#

Arms slayers is now competitive on raids?

proper moth
#

Looks like it’s time to dust the warrior off

keen spoke
#

its reverse nerubar

#

instead of fury getting nerfed every week its arms getting buffed every week lol

stable fiber
latent moss
#

should be

proper moth
#

Arms doing better than rogues to its bless

stable fiber
#

On vorascius and twin drakes

minor gust
#

its enough for me to prog every mythic boss as arms at this point

#

well see if we get another buff next week

steep osprey
#

Unlikely

minor gust
#

weve gotten 3 in a row we can get a 4th

#

just gotta have a lil faith