arms

[umbral badger]

yup

[smoky kayak]

ergo, Martial Prowess is not an important AoE talent

[jovial hare]

ye, they put slam on it instead of cleave going into mid iirc

[umbral badger]

yea to be fair that does make me want them to add cleave into martial prowes then remove some other cleave thing

[jovial hare]

or rather

slam is a buffing factor

[smoky kayak]

Cleave casts Slam

come on people

[steep osprey]

I thought you said that Martial Prowess needed to Slam/HS to be casted to trigger MP, my bad

[jovial hare]

it's just Ms now
I'd be sad if cleave didn't already do a disrespectful amount of damage now

[smoky kayak]

FoB does cast Slam/HS

it just doesn't trigger the activation of HS, which is entirely different and not associated with the talent at all

[umbral badger]

can't blame us for not knowing those changes when the spec is not functional in ST now and thsu we did not even try the changed "ST" setup xd

[steep osprey]

I got it now

[vagrant niche]

Yo random question but does anyone have a picture of the 'warrior tree' meme. Like a tree that looks like it's holding a weapon.

[smoky kayak]

you're killing me here lol

[unborn canyon]

you making him go insane

[jovial hare]

just living up to the 'warriors can't read' meme

[umbral badger]

hahaha trueee

i mean to be fair , knowing the reality is just making me hate those changes more

[smoky kayak]

I bet you google does
spoiler: it's actually a DK

[umbral badger]

LoL

[feral breach]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[jovial hare]

bruh

idk why they didn't just use artwork of broxxigar

or saurfang, known cleave guy

[vagrant niche]

Haha it was a long shot but thought I would chuck it in here xD

[steep osprey]

The one that's falling is actually a warrior, isn't it

[smoky kayak]

I'm not joking, the art is from the TCG and it was explicitly labeled DK

[steep osprey]

Looks close enough

[jovial hare]

that's... somehow not surprising

[steep osprey]

He is wielding a 2h weapon

[umbral badger]

lol yes not surprising

[warped fable]

those changes sound exciting 👀

soo far those look to be slayer arms though

[jovial hare]

I mean rexxar is used for survival's splash art despite survival having basically no rendition close to rexxar beyond like legion release
but even then
he's a bm hunter lol

[smoky kayak]

it gets better - they used these images in Legion to higlight each spec and their new artifact weapons

[steep osprey]

He is a survival hunter

[warped fable]

wait arms is a dk image 😭

[smoky kayak]

Arms got a Death Knight image, because it kinda sorta resembled the hidden axe skin

[umbral badger]

@smoky kayak doesn't buffing Colossus ST "if they ever consider it" mean explicitly buffing it through the hero talent at this pint ?

[steep osprey]

He's dual wielding weapons, he's not ranged

[smoky kayak]

and the Fury Warrior is dual wielding Arms artifacts

[jovial hare]

he is a bm hunter and always has been

[umbral badger]

at this point, at least for ST fury warrior should be dual wielding 2 arms warriors.

[warped fable]

all roads lead to fury

[jovial hare]

two different ones, even

[smoky kayak]

he's an NPC and can do whatever he want

[nova marsh]

Looks badass thou

[rich steppe]

Yoo wadap guys

[jovial hare]

what would you consider his defining factor out of the choice of:
is melee
or
uses like 16 pets

[rich steppe]

does anyone know why we are not getting thunderclap

as arms colossus

aka wowhead

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus/EAOARUUVFVFWZRqQQBQNVVRVCZREWRUF0CFUFVVVVUBR

[warped fable]

rend is aoe now

[smoky kayak]

it doesn't matter, NPCs don't use player classes and aren't bound by their restrictions

[unborn canyon]

Rend is aoe

[nova marsh]

Tbh NPCs never followed specs

[strong kraken]

any chance theyre gonna give cleave the QOL that fury has for tclap and will get for WW?

[nova marsh]

Varian anyone?

[jovial hare]

i feel like you're missing the spirit of the argument but i digress

[smoky kayak]

in what world does Cleave need more QoL

[rich steppe]

actually true am i a moronidas

[jovial hare]

I think cleave should pay my taxes tbh

[smoky kayak]

Cleave is the most oppressive ability Arms has

[strong kraken]

im ok if they delete it

[warped fable]

i wish

[nova marsh]

Cleave should get me a date

[strong kraken]

but hitting rend when fury has both WW and Tclap applying rend, is shit

[warped fable]

oh dude, cleave is great at doing that, recently hooked me up with a sweetheart 10/10 would recommend cleave as my wingman

[nova marsh]

[unborn canyon]

True, except who cares

[jovial hare]

i find it very funny that rend's initial damage without bloodborne is higher than the dot

[strong kraken]

this takes javelineer but no ST/WT?

[unborn canyon]

Its done that for fury cause we haven't had rend in forever, and no wanted to have it, but it was forced on them

[strong kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/alonzo-mourning-gary-payton-miami-heat-epiphany-realization-gif-22141573

[tropic crest]

@smoky kayak mate, a quick question. In the Colossus AoE APL there is
line 214: colossus_aoe->add_action("slam");
line 215: colossus_aoe->add_action("execute");
How would that execute ever be used if it comes after slam?

[pure wren]

Sudden Death?

[topaz python]

i dont get why cleave should be an optional talent

[rose ibex]

I wish rexxar did things

[storm pendant]

Fervor of Battle make cleave and whirlwind use slam to target and if slam proc heroic it use heroic right?

[tropic crest]

yes

and that Heroic Strike will have +50% dmg becasue "all modifiers and talents that affect slam also affect heroic strike"

[storm pendant]

oh i alway press the slam when heroic prog silly me

[obsidian otter]

It shouldn’t it’s just lazy design. Soon as you choose arms as a warrior at level 10 whirlwind should just turn into cleave same with prot whirlwind should turn into revenge. They shouldn’t be talents

[tropic crest]

i mean, cleave and whirlwind are not the same ability

[obsidian otter]

Neither are revenge and whirlwind but you use them instead of the other

Only time you ever use whirlwind as arms is pvp

Even then it’s only for arena

[topaz python]

i really think that spec identity abilites like mortal strike, cleave or like mind blast on shadow priest and so on should be baseline abilites of a spec, a talent on its place should be something similar to dual talents that we already have like change an ability behaviour maybe
for example remove less healing from MS but make it has less CD or less cost idk

[soft gust]

Need the Saurfang rotation

APL is just cleave

in ST and AOE

[minor gust]

Jet your welcome I saved slayer SD

[obsidian otter]

I saw the changes I can live with it 😆

[tropic crest]

how s ur arms journey going Jet

[jaunty drift]

I’m enjoying slayer cleave in + rn and the st doesn’t feel like total dogwater either

[obsidian otter]

Good all 10s done 260 ilv moving alone good

[rapid bronze]

how on earth are you supposed to use this alnseer trinket without a weakaura

[obsidian otter]

My fury is 259 atm but close aswell

[rapid bronze]

can barely see those little dumb critters

[jaunty drift]

Got 4p last night haven’t tried it yet tho

Supposed to be good

[topaz python]

its really good with last apex

[obsidian otter]

I will admit I’ve been playing colo in PvP and it’s making me want to pve as it now 😆

Demolish just to much bursting pvp pressure on gos

[fresh spire]

if only the sweep thing wasn't there so it didn't matter, but sweeps basically passive in aoe so its whatever

Now to see if they buff arms back up enough to conpensate.

as reap being removed from ST and unhinged is still quite a bit of damage

Though the datamine shows Whirlwind was also removed from the tooltip, so maybe they will consider baseline cleave in future

[obsidian otter]

Hopefully they buff MS and OP more to make up for that loss

[fresh spire]

trying colossus in keys i think ST still need a little bump

cleave still feels jank to use on ST and ravager feels stupid

[minor gust]

It's a fine compromise cuz it doesn't change much really

[obsidian otter]

I feel like after playing colo in PvP the issue is both specs benefit from MS different which buffing one to help slayer single target all buffs Colo already aoe profile since MS helps a lot building stacks quick with sweeping.

[fresh spire]

we did still lose MS which hurts overall for aoe aswell

as with reap gone you likely would op>ms now.

[obsidian otter]

For sure OP with dread does more than MS without a reap 100%

[rapid bronze]

stupid question but, with the alnseer trinket, are you supposed to go walk on top of those critters that spawn out of it or no

[still fox]

Is it worthwhile crafting a weapon? Or is it completely pointless? I only play Mythic+, or should I wait and craft two items next week if a weapon is available?

I know I'm probably not the first to ask xD

[obsidian otter]

If you have champ weapon you can craft bracers and cloak get double embezzlement and your fine socially if you get pit weapon

Either pit weapon or magi weapon champ weapon is good with double embed on bracers and cloak

[still fox]

mmh

[obsidian otter]

You can craft a 285 weapon if you have crests for it though aswell

[minor gust]

Gonna be doing some slayer keys today. Honestly it's not that bad

[obsidian otter]

Even in 10s it’s doing good. Eveyone keep saying dam arms got buffed on our aoe pulls and I’m just thinking in my head like it’s the same as it’s been in aoe

Mobs last longer so your getting off full BS and cleaves

[fresh spire]

not had much time to dps keys as been playing tank for guild, colossus feels nice though if you can ignore ravager lineups barely stacking

[obsidian otter]

Usually around 250k on aoe depending how tank pulls you can peak 320k-350k on full send pulls not insane but it’s good

And that’s not even with 285 weapon just champ one

45-50k in the mythic plus build single target. Can be 100-150k if boss has amp stage and you saveCDs for it

[dire hinge]

yeeah still competing with tanks in single target in M+

feels great in AoE though

[obsidian otter]

I’ve been running a hybrid build you lose about 10k aoe but gain it in single where you can still pump 60k-70k on boss and still do 220-250k aoe

[dire hinge]

which talent swaps are you making for that?

[obsidian otter]

I just simmed my max aoe build and max single target build then back tracked some talents to swap them

[dire hinge]

granted, im banished to the realm of Prot this week for guild keys, but maybe one day i'll do an arms key

[stable fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/tung-tung-tung-tung-sahur-tung-tung-sahur-tung-tung-tung-sahur-brainrot-baseball-gif-13999381090646842001

[minor gust]

It's keeping up just fine in 12s as things live better. The extra ST is a lil nice if your group needs it. I'll know more after this week but both Colo and slayer feel pretty playable which is a first

[smoky kayak]

Technically it got nerfed in AoE!

[torn rivet]

login to slayer?

[obsidian otter]

I can share when I’m home later today for ya

[minor gust]

Same most of my keys are tanking right now for the boys

[obsidian otter]

No I know which is why it’s crazy seeing people say that more validating that they didn’t eve really know at all and just went off the memes. 😆

[minor gust]

Login to whatever you wanna play both feel good

[stable fiber]

i knew it was crazy on beta

[smoky kayak]

Good example of how most people, even those who play on the high end or believe themselves to be informed, don’t know shit about shit

[torn rivet]

pog

[torn rivet]

you mean

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

[rose ibex]

I found a hero weapon in a delve last night and folks were telling me to save my crests and just upgrade my crafted weapon to mythic when I can. Is that the play?

[fresh spire]

i mean when we had like 2 months of arms shit memes and finally get buffed who would know if we was good enough 😄

[torn rivet]

Lol

well i wouldnt go that far to say arms is good

but i would go as far to say that fury feels shit

[dire hinge]

no wrong answer really. You can craft your embellishments now (long-term play), or a weapon (short term play). You'll eventually replace the weapon, but it's the highest dps gain short-term. If you play fury, you can get even more use out of it by moving it to an offhand eventually

[rose ibex]

Problem is just farming 160 mythic crests.... haha

I think...

[dire hinge]

keys are pretty chill this week, but yes agreed it's time consuming for two crafts

[rose ibex]

Isnt it 160 for a 2h?

[dire hinge]

it's 80 per craft

[rose ibex]

Ohhhhh

[dire hinge]

well, i haven't made a bracer yet, but my weapon was 80

[rose ibex]

Hmmmm thats doable

[dire hinge]

the part that doubles is your Sparks

[rose ibex]

I havent killed the ??? Delve boss yet

[dire hinge]

4x sparks for a weapon
2x sparks per piece of gear

[thick kelp]

only goes up to ??

[rose ibex]

shakes fist

[dire hinge]

if you can get a dungeon group together, the ?? boss is very easy

[thick kelp]

was very easy alone too tho

[dire hinge]

it's just a health sponge

[thick kelp]

even last week

even on arms

[rose ibex]

Hmmm how many crests is that?

[dire hinge]

30 myth and 30 hero

[rose ibex]

Ok cool! I have like 16 mythic crests

I hear you can get mythic crests from t11 delves

[dire hinge]

and your Delve 11s, if you have your Delver's Journey to at least Rank 2

[rose ibex]

Oh I heard it was 4

Is that just any delve or does it need to be from bountiful chests?

[thick kelp]

how many can u get from t11's per week?

[dire hinge]

oh nvm you're right it is Rank 4

tooltip

[dire hinge]

i dont recall tbh, but it's over 10

[rose ibex]

Back to the delve mines I guess

[dire hinge]

it is Delve XP week if you wanna blast it up

[thick kelp]

eta gg

[rose ibex]

Hmmm good to know

So I probably cant craft a weapon this week eh?

After killing sponge man, ill have 46 mythic crests

[dire hinge]

if you can do +9 keys or higher you absolutely can

and they're pretty approachable this season

[rose ibex]

Ohhhh interesting

How many drop per +9

[dire hinge]

in the openining 18 hours of Midnight, there was more +10s timed than all of the first week of TWW Season 1

they're pretty chill right now

[rose ibex]

I think i hate skyreach and seat the most

[fervent cedar]

10

[rose ibex]

The worst enemy in skyreach is the camera

Seat just seems to have really insano powerful mobs

Theres some enrage mechanic that chuuuuunks our tank

[dire hinge]

seeing tanks big-pull in Pit of Saron without a poison cleanse

love to see it

(its me, im tank)

[fresh spire]

tbf the hp debuff isn't that bad

as most of the mobs just do 0 damage to prot

[obsidian otter]

Fury is smooth idk where the shit feel comes from I like slayer arms but I would say slayer fury feels better rotational than arms. Specially execute phase as you can always press execute on fury compared to arms not being able to due to rage at times. Specially higher keys where the execute phase last longer. But I enjoy both play styles thy feel different

[obsidian otter]

I honestly think this is because of the dungeon tuning in beta we was lower than 250 doing 10 keys with how they down scaled us. Like almost 20-30 ilv less than what people are now clearing 10 keys

[minor gust]

Prot takes no dmg from a lot of these keys until you get bleeds from sky reach or misara caverns first area fucks me up

[dire hinge]

i honestly dont mind it. I am still gonna push higher keys

10 being approachable feels real cozy

[obsidian otter]

That’s better than a champ one so yeah for sure until you can craft your 285 unless you can craft it now.

I’ve done few keys with people already full tier 4 set with 285 crafted weapons!

[fresh spire]

yeeeep

[rose ibex]

Damn that's lucky

I have yet to get a single drop from any raid

Damn pug pallys slurping it all up

[obsidian otter]

I got hero chest from vault tier that’s it rest all just key gear 7-10s

[rose ibex]

I have a cape and ring and the rest are champ :(

2 days of m+ no luck

Ive been sitting on my vault until guild does raid tomorrow :/

Need to see if I get any set pieces

Before I choose

2 set items in my vault so I must be patient

[obsidian otter]

That’s smart for sure

[rose ibex]

Im getting ancy tho. I want more damage

[obsidian otter]

Would suck grabbing item then get it in raid next day

[rose ibex]

I should just keep using my now crappy 259 crafted weapon I guess....

Or whatever it is

I want the heart trinket so bad from 2nd boss

All the top parsers seem to have it

[minor gust]

It is indeed a bis trinket

[obsidian otter]

Yeah the hunger and gaze were the trinkets entire beta used as warriors best crit trinket

[minor gust]

If you're raiding with a guild should be easy to get since it's like bis for only us

Thankfully gaze is bad now

Even tho sadly that was my first vault was hero gaze with avoidance.

At least it's still great for fury

[obsidian otter]

Dam gaze with avoidance rip

[minor gust]

Once I finally get a heart from windrunner will just rock double heart until I can eventually get plume

[obsidian otter]

I have heart and solar flair trinket atm from keys

[dire hinge]

gotten three heroic dragon games equipments 😂

[minor gust]

Lmao

It's ok fuck puzzlebox!

[obsidian otter]

I use to love that trinket when it first came out for burst in pvp 😆 when it was busted

[dire hinge]

the icon is the same rough shape and color and i get excited every time

[obsidian otter]

Yeah I won’t use it

[dire hinge]

i just want DoS trinket back

[minor gust]

It just being 2min instead of 3 min makes it feel even worse to use

[obsidian otter]

Umbral is good trinket if you can get that one for arms

[minor gust]

I wanna line it up with ravager pulls but cant

[dire hinge]

we still talk about you 🫗

[minor gust]

Cuz 2 min and ravager no am

Gg

[karmic reef]

[sacred zodiac]

they'll bring it back next season as a 2 min trinket dw abt it

[rose ibex]

Double equip trinkets forever

[surreal whale]

The patch notes where sudden death triggers reap the storm via sweeping strikes, is that in addition to sudden death already triggering reap the storm on use?

[rose ibex]

Its a rework

[dire hinge]

They're getting rid of the promised on-use with this next update

[obsidian otter]

Deathbringers will still my all time favorite trinket I love trinkets that change how you look on proc!

[surreal whale]

Thanks!

[rose ibex]

Another reason I want heart trinket

I want my Tauren to be bigger than ever

I hope it stacks with all the other make-bigger potions I carry

[obsidian otter]

I think the engineer item gives you the biggest size but it only last 5 mins

[dire hinge]

can combo it with the potion from arcantina but it replaces your flask

[rose ibex]

I think i have that. The world shrinker

[obsidian otter]

Yeah beta you could giant potion then flash and it didn’t remove the giant potion was hoping it went live 😆

[obsidian otter]

Yeah that one

[rose ibex]

I know engineering isnt very useful but I just cant drop it

Its too fun

Even if this expansion is painful to level

[rancid robin]

Beautiful 😄

[wild seal]

hey is there a new macro for ravager under you?

[minor gust]

No because ravager is casted at your target

[minor gust]

M+ parses are a meme but it does look beautiful

Now just crop out the dungeons and pretend it's raid

[rancid robin]

lol

[rancid robin]

Yeah biz and gucci warrior are missing on the logs ):

[devout pewter]

lmao I literally did not notice that ravager is casted at the target

cause I always put my mouse there for the @mouse macro i had befroe

[thick cairn]

[frail hearth]

so im new to arms. I love colossus. I struggle in ST damage. I have seen Bizz hit cleave on ST bosses. Is it just that much better than slam? Do we EVER hit slam>?

[slow saddle]

He is a god man

[slow saddle]

Yes?

Its just last in prio

[frail hearth]

ahhhh okay

any good guides anyone would recommend?

[slow saddle]

No sry

[thick kelp]

wowhead

:)

[unkempt wren]

Arms guide is called: How to Heal the Boss with you Axe ❤️

[frail hearth]

XD

[near flax]

where is arms opener for colossus st?

[unkempt wren]

Best move: Immortal Strike, highest priority skill

[boreal quartz]

Unban sodax

[supple oyster]

Revvez is literally this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibh4SO5W4OU

[boreal quartz]

Nurfed still exists

Sense goat

[thick kelp]

nurfed literally world 2nd

[minor gust]

Those 2 are indeed massive Chad gamers

[minor gust]

Charge rend ravager/ava CS MS demo. Have fun

[thick kelp]

cleaves

up

[minor gust]

[rare kite]

i like the charge rend cs rav cleave til cd ms then demo opening on aoe

no clue if that is optimal but i saw wallife do it and it feels nice

[minor gust]

Yeah that's what I do for aoe. The guy was just asking for ST. And that one you just wanna get demo on CD to keep the desync from being as bad as it could be.

At least that's what I like and feels good

[rose ibex]

Cleave whoosh

[obsidian otter]

Slayer same rend>CS>cleaves>SD(Reap)>BS sadly BS doesn’t do enough to send it first even though it’s design would suggest to since you get the 5 stacks to do 5% more cleave damage but you do less going BS first. Unless single target then you send it in opener.

[nova marsh]

Sigh I stg pugs man

[rose ibex]

I always forget to rend first

That button is still ultra dissatisfying

[rose ibex]

Do it for the crests

You got dis

[nova marsh]

Yeah

tis the goal

Crests and vault

[rose ibex]

Yeah im always tempted to bs first especially with the haste buff you get after

[rare kite]

Did you end up going warrior?

[obsidian otter]

18 that fast Jesus why was killing people?

[rose ibex]

Hurts to see the cs buff tick off before you bladestorm

[nova marsh]

death feed

[nova marsh]

I will be after rogue gets 2k

[rose ibex]

I wish I had time off to be a gross sweaty weirdo

Never feel like I get enough done in an evening

[obsidian otter]

Yeah that’s why I like troll when that racial lines up with lust and haste from BS looks like im just spinning pressing cleaves with the troll slam
Animation from
fob

It looks like cleave animation but blue so looks like you do two cleaves back to back

[rose ibex]

Spin spin

[minor gust]

Get 4pc and it won't!

[rose ibex]

I heard there's warrior gear in the raid but i havent seen any

Perhaps it doesnt exist

Our rogues and mages are very happy tho

[nova marsh]

I mean yeah zenith never exists

[rose ibex]

I wonder why

[nova marsh]

I am hopeful

If this key dosen't go 30 minutes over

I can actually get ksm from it lol

Ofc it's not lookin too god for that LMAFO

11 minutes for half the dungeon....very cool

[rose ibex]

Only warrior. No plate. No drops

[minor gust]

Was able to get mine last week when plate tier decided to not drop in normal splits but drop on every boss in heroic

Gg

[rose ibex]

We must do heroic then

[obsidian otter]

That’s what you want lol

[minor gust]

We got nothing but plate tier this week in heroic too

[rose ibex]

Hard to wrangle the dads. We're all old and creaky

[minor gust]

Started giving tier to alts

[rose ibex]

I dont have confidence to get into a pug as arms

I cant even get m0 invites

[obsidian otter]

I’m just glad BIS trinket drops off second boss usually guild I’m in only does first 4 bosses on mythic after AOTC

[minor gust]

That's just pugging in general

Do your own keys during the first week

[obsidian otter]

Always push your key highest you can for sure

[minor gust]

Build up IO as fast as possible and ride the wave. If you get caught below the wave it's rough to pug

[rose ibex]

Oh for m+ i just host my own if im alone

Or do anything else like t11 delves

Theres so much to do

[nova marsh]

Yeah so true

[rose ibex]

But getting into pug raids outsidr of norms as arms is tough

[old glacier]

Man, trying to push your own key when it's starting at +2 is rough

[nova marsh]

I almost once again didn't get the wave

But now that I'm at 10s I feel like I'll be fine

[rose ibex]

I imagine it is anyways

[obsidian otter]

That’s easiest to fill atm so many people doing low keys still

[rose ibex]

It just feels disheartening to even try

[minor gust]

Take the L and tank your own keys too. Ain't any fucking tanks right now

So tanking will let you build your groups faster

[old glacier]

Literally a desert. I can sit here waiting for an hour easy.

[obsidian otter]

You eu or NA?

[old glacier]

EU

[nova marsh]

Tbh I feel like group finder might be bugged

[obsidian otter]

Maybe that’s why

NA most them are +2-10 atm

[rose ibex]

Make sure you have mythic + selected and not m0

[obsidian otter]

Rarely do you see anything higher then 10s

[old glacier]

People doing mostly 9 and 10. People were already outgearing 2s before the season started.

[obsidian otter]

This aswell I did that once had priest message me said why 230 for a normal when i was doing zeros fist week 😆

[minor gust]

Had like 15 minutes yesterday of no tank sign ups for a 10 it's cooked right now. I just wanted to DPS a key before our last group member was online

[obsidian otter]

250+ your out geared anything below 7 honestly

[rose ibex]

Hahaa it was the first mistake we made. "Why no dps joining!?"

[obsidian otter]

Should pinged me I would came
Tanked it for you I don’t mind tanking if I know the DPS can dps 😆

I actually like tanking I just hate tanking for people who don’t dps

And if I’m on arms slayer and out dpsing every pug group I’m in I don’t wanna tank for those groups

[old glacier]

Should i list it as "competetive"?

[obsidian otter]

Yes

[old glacier]

It's a 2 though

[obsidian otter]

Don’t matter will make more join type Fast run in it to

[minor gust]

My tank IO is like 2800 rn from us just doing keys for gear, but my DPS io is like 2k. I just hate how spammy prot is man I get tired after a few keys. Need my arms breaks

[obsidian otter]

Yeah that’s how I feel after doing fury all day yesterday 😢 was like man I’m ready to get back to arms

[minor gust]

We gonna start pushing now cuz 10-12 bracket keys things still just die too fast

[obsidian otter]

We’re to overgeared for their tuning in beta we was like 230+ scaled in 10s

Evening 15s was only one we wasn’t scaled at 285 12s we were like 255

And that’s why most people are at now

There alot of things people could do to increase their key damage overall. That they don’t even know is a thing. Like the countdown prepot rarely see pugs do it or even have a countdown

[nova marsh]

whelp \

KSM

[rose ibex]

Prepotting in a key? Crazy

[nova marsh]

I love getting told by healers we're griefing them lmafo

[rose ibex]

Grats

[nova marsh]

Also just a random thing

am I the only one who struggles hardcore to do shit in skyreach?

[old glacier]

Guess I'll just push my own key next week.😂

[obsidian otter]

Only part I hate on skyreach with a pug is last boss for the life of me how people doing keys higher don’t know the beam mechanic or the bird grab and will stay near ledge

[rose ibex]

Place sucks but only because of the camera

So many annoying decorations blocking these tight hallways

Against mobs you need to dodge floor death from

[nova marsh]

I mean I get that but like

[rose ibex]

Some sections feel like a constant battle with the camera

[nova marsh]

I feel like I do no damage

[rose ibex]

Pulls are also kinda small

[nova marsh]

Also yes the camera in slyreach is horrific holy fuck blizzard

Is skyreaxh the lowest pull key we got?

(I haven't rolled a seat uet

[rose ibex]

They didnt learn their lesson either. Midnight dungeons are full of camera blocking banners

Artists gotta make things pretty I guess

Or make you fight against a wall

[nova marsh]

Blizzard has literally never learned their lesson for the camera

Danny, skyreach, magisters

[rose ibex]

Murder row

[obsidian otter]

First pull should be atleast to second to last column if not all the way to ramp depending on tank. Second pull should be first mobs and half of platform if not whole platform. After that you should pull all mobs to first door then in second boss should be two if not 3 packs

[nova marsh]

We wouldbe but

We had a straight death spiral into 18 deaths

[obsidian otter]

Some pug tanks will under pull that’s when you throw a heroic throw into a mob and stand on other side of tank 😆

[nova marsh]

But ye I see it

More like

Shiv into tricks if I'm on rogue witch is even more funny

[rose ibex]

Do you guys feel like the mobs in Seat are super overtuned?

[obsidian otter]

If I don’t need aoe fear for caster packs I run howl to slow pull help tank

[nova marsh]

Feel like the answer is probably

Haven't done but I remeber it was in legion

[rose ibex]

Enraged champions hitting my tank for like 80k

Maybe they just wanted you to make smaller pulls

[latent moss]

friend complained about maisara on brew

[obsidian otter]

Seat the only mobs that are issue I’ve seen was the ones that Channel the void stuff on ground or two players get targeted by knock up circle outside that they seem fine

[slow saddle]

And it sure does

[obsidian otter]

If no one is using aoe cc any dungeon can be issue honestly

[nova marsh]

Trueee

[rose ibex]

The ones in the first area were oddly deadly. The ones surrounding the first boss

Maybe they get a buff or something

[nova marsh]

So many pugs dont....and part of the reason im going warrior is cuz waiting till .5 to have an aoe cc is ass

[obsidian otter]

Yeah pulling that whole room can be fatal for sure most pull 2-3 packs then the other 3 together split pull

That’s prolly only room

That can be issue

[rose ibex]

I always Shockwave and warstomp every pull I can

[nova marsh]

Skyreach and caverns are probably my two least favorite so far

[rose ibex]

We were doing 2 packs on an 8 and the tank was getting obliterated

Maybe tank just needs better gear

[obsidian otter]

Yeah maybe tank wasn’t staggering his defenses

[rose ibex]

Hes mostly full champ for context but not fuuuull champ

Or maybe paladins are just weaker

[obsidian otter]

Full champ should be fine for a 8

Paladins have to stagger a def CDs the most

Or they do go splat

[rose ibex]

Its the enraged champions that were causing us trouble

[obsidian otter]

Should been no issues with casters though as he should had those interrupted easily by himself

[rose ibex]

Oh yeah they're a piece o cake

Outlaw rogue, arms warrior, paladin tank

Nobody ever gets to cast

Rogue and I are taurens as well

Though he is a high mountain

[obsidian otter]

Tauren rogue always funny to me

How you stealth with hooves

[rose ibex]

He mogs himself to look like a warrior haha

[obsidian otter]

😆

[rose ibex]

Tauren rogue is silly but its such a joke concept that I love it

[obsidian otter]

My fury warrior looks like hunter even has quiver on back

[rose ibex]

Have you ever seen a tauren stalk a python? Course you haven't. Thats because taurens are so adept and blending in with their surroundings

I picked up sv hunter in legion and bfa just because I wanted to be a stealthy Tauren with camo

[obsidian otter]

Tauren rogues are the John Cena rogues

[rose ibex]

If you block everyone's visibility with your giant body, your dps will be higher relatively

This is why I always carry dark moon firewater

Rogues are neat but I think i hate energy and spinning plates

[minor gust]

The trash before first boss fucks me up on prot too

[rose ibex]

Which is basically all outlaw rogue is

[spring vale]

outlaw is way more chill now, roll the bones is very straight forward and the other buffs (flurry, adrenaline, etc.) just kinda happen when you get to hit the boss

its nowhere near DF Crackshot spam

[obsidian otter]

Idk I miss old killing spree I wish the pistol build would have just been a new spec and they left combat alone

[rose ibex]

I just find buff spinning annoying and kinda boring. I hated it on balance druid

Fill your moon juice, then buff and dump your moon juice

Dot stuff

Very bland but always baits me because it looks so cool

[obsidian otter]

I hate druids but only because I pvp a lot

[rose ibex]

Feral is fun

I hear they are annoying in arena

[spring vale]

killing spree was so cool and I do agree pistol rogue as a spec of its own would be sick

[rose ibex]

I will always hate mages more than anything

Special privilege class

[obsidian otter]

Cyclone bash roots shapeshift out of slows self healing insane damage burst windows even resto Druids can convince burst you in a stun..

[rose ibex]

Brutal

[latent moss]

it was so peak

[obsidian otter]

The fact they can fully dot you Los and take 70% of your life is nuts

[old glacier]

I used to do 2s with a resto druid. He would just kill the other dps by himself.😂

[latent moss]

vanish windows were so peak

when u god roll

and get like 5 ace resets in a way

hoooooly

[minor gust]

Nah those fuckers randomly hurt especially when trying to chain pull them. They would be doing no dmg then I leap away to keep pulling and they would leap at me and almost one shot

Was only on an 11 too

[rose ibex]

Its the enrage mechanic. Not sure what activates it or if you can stop it

We just learned to pull 1 pack at a time in that area

Kinda made me miss my sv hunter just because I could tranq them

[minor gust]

You can triple pull at the start with lust

But def do the last two packs one at a time for now

Until I figure out wtf is killing me

[rose ibex]

Sounds too risky

We did that initially but our tank still got popped

[minor gust]

Nah Its fine because you got CDs and lust

Impossible to die unless you just don't press buttons

[spring vale]

nothing like btte vanish windows with the fucking roll the bones weakaura airhorn going off for the true overwhelmcore experience

[nova marsh]

What the fuck

[rose ibex]

You say that but our tank did die haha

[latent moss]

axaxaxxaxaxa

[nova marsh]

That sounds worse then that one feral ui i saw

[latent moss]

i had that too

[minor gust]

He didn't press buttons then

[spring vale]

bro that weakaura was what made outlaw playable

[rose ibex]

I shrug. No knowing tank stuff. Me hit and spin

Zug zug

[nova marsh]

Idk man I dont like sounds for my rota

I even found the cha ching from critcakes df s3 pack kinda annoying after a while

[minor gust]

Sounds op

[rose ibex]

Feral felt like you needed wa's to play it

[nova marsh]

I mean

I feel like you can apply this to most classes

I bring up enhance a lot but God it was too true in tww

[rose ibex]

The one that highlights whether a target had a snapshotted dot or not was invaluable

I find enhance just fine. Its pianoey but no more complex than arms

[nova marsh]

I mean stormbringer without a msw wa last xpack was actually awful

[rose ibex]

Feral you just had to get the muscle memory for different bloodtalon combos and thats gone (also their dots kinda suck now)

[latent moss]

sd wa

[latent moss]

ts was so annoying in s3

[rose ibex]

Oh maybe. Im a totemic enjoyer

[latent moss]

kachingkachingkachingkachingkachingkachingkachingkaching

[nova marsh]

Fair fair

[rose ibex]

1m go is bis

[nova marsh]

Totemic didnt need anything besides maybe reminders to put your damn weapon imbunes on

[rose ibex]

Its much simpler than folks realize

[minor gust]

That's why you change it to the light saber sound

[nova marsh]

I mean enhances degen gameplay is gone

So yeah its pretty straightforward

[rose ibex]

Put totemic recall on a storm strike macro and surging totem on lava lash. Totem never leaves your side

[nova marsh]

Does totem even matter for damage 🤔

Tww s2 it was negligible

[rose ibex]

Yeah surging totem is important

It is your friend and it wants adventure

Always take your totem for walks

It has interactions with your other abilities

[nova marsh]

And I've had some enhancers blasting this week

[latent moss]

Frozenbozo The Savior of Colossus

join the dark side

colossus arms warrior3

[nova marsh]

and giving me when windfury even when im trash

Bro actually

Had some funny shit happen last night for a 9 magisters

I invited a duo tank heals

I ready check and they didnt realize it was a key and went and pulled the first pack

They die and leave, healer whispers me that tank was tired and going to bed and I was like....wtf

[rose ibex]

Shamans seem endangered

I never see them in my groups

1 billion mages warlocks and... yeah its mostly those guys

[nova marsh]

I feel like I see shamans just as often as mages and locks

[minor gust]

Did a bit of Colo keys already gonna enjoy some slayer tonight. It's actually keeping up with Colo. I need to do more tho to know for sure

[rose ibex]

Lucky

[vapid spire]

Can you really tank the enrage beam at Vorasius in normal ?

[latent moss]

ngl i havent done a single slayer key

[rose ibex]

I feel like a 5-10% difference in favor of colossus in overall damage

But i see that as pretty negligible

[nova marsh]

Overalls are tank rng anyways

[minor gust]

Slayer is pretty fun with sudden death. Reap

Only thing keeping Slayer from being truly perfect is unskippable cutscene bladestorm

[latent moss]

ye

wish they listened

and it wasnt 4598 hours

long

[rose ibex]

I like spin

[wispy perch]

Tanks are running away from Ravager like it's an enemy aoe

[minor gust]

It's ok ravager dmg isn't real

[latent moss]

u press it for 50% cleave damage

[minor gust]

You just press it for buffed cleaves

[rose ibex]

Cleaver buffer

[wispy perch]

it doesn't need to be hitting the mobs to get the buff?

[rose ibex]

I wish bs did more damage

[minor gust]

No it's a buff on you not a debuff

[jovial hare]

that shit hurts as a dps even through walls

[wispy perch]

Oh ok thanks

[jovial hare]

I got one shot

[stable fiber]

one shot me through dispersion on spriest for 1.1 million damage on lfr

dispersion is a 70% dr

you cannot tank it

[gritty karma]

aleria hc

did it

sigmarms

[minor gust]

[gaunt owl]

[minor gust]

almost 95k nice musta been a big P1

[sudden owl]

Blade storm was perfect in legion for arms when you would press it at 0 rage and it would take you to full, I don't think it was 5 seconds back then or whatever it is now

[rose ibex]

I mean that's generally why I like it aside from the spinning

Helps you get over that hump of no rage

Just need sd to be more consistent

[lone raft]

does sd feel like shadowlands arms

im sorry for the insufferable noob questions im coming back from a break simple yes or no

[dire hinge]

it's fine 🙂

[lone raft]

execute was fun then albeit one dimensional

[dire hinge]

Not currently no, Shadowlands Execute was an extreme outlier back then, it's been nerfed quite a bit

we kept the animation, it's just brown now

[lone raft]

👍

I can’t emoji posts for some reason

[dire hinge]

we disable them here, it's expected

[rose ibex]

I miss the big chunky condemns. Felt like if I was good targeting for them I could put out some pretty good damage

[spiral abyss]

CS on cd more important than not overwriting SS i assume

[dire hinge]

yeah

[viscid mica]

What do you think about battlelord vs fatality? It’s a 2%dps loss on slayer st for me but feels better to play

[dire hinge]

the hard part about Fatality is actually consuming each of the procs on every target

whereas Battlelord just works on all targets with no management at all

or are you talking Raid

[viscid mica]

Yeah raid

Ms being my favorite button to press and all

[dire hinge]

in raid Fatality just out-performs it. The cost reduction from BL also works against your Anger Management

it's not like, the end of the world so feel free to give it a go, but it's certainly a bit worse atm

BL also doesn't have much value in Execute range (~1/3rd of the fight) because you dont want MS to reset itself during execute phase, since you're waiting to use it until you have 2x EP stacks

[umbral badger]

rip was pumping 180k dps on vanguard until tanks died and i had to tank the boss for 8 seconds iwth die by the sword "CR cd was like 15 secs" and then i had to kite and die until we rezzed a tank

[viscid mica]

I see. Good points, didn’t think about that. Thanks

[umbral badger]

ended the fight with 125k

sadge

[dire hinge]

yeah parse stuff is pretty volatile rn with tanks still learning the dances

[umbral badger]

they are like "nice save' and i am like "fk my self"

[dire hinge]

boss died though?

[umbral badger]

xd

yea

[dire hinge]

hell yeah, nice save

[umbral badger]

now last boss, ppl thaning there and i only played thane once xd

tried single target on saladar with colossus "i saw noble warrior at 70k whichi is still low but i got curious" i hardly hit 62ish or someshit but it made me learn why colossus sucks, the hard way.

[marsh needle]

Slayer on salad bar felt really good for me

There are only like 2 fights where colossus is actually better i think

I’ve also been playing slayer in keys tho, it just feeelsgooood

[slow saddle]

Y id venture if no 3 targets

Deffo slayer arms

[marsh needle]

I think in a couple weeks adds will die so fast on dragons that colossus won’t even be worth

[slow saddle]

Its happenin now

[marsh needle]

lol i bet

[slow saddle]

In my guild hell ican hardly clap

As thane

[marsh needle]

I only play fury on that fight cuz clap so strong

[wind hatch]

it feels impossible to get invited into any keys rn

[slow saddle]

B4 they gone

[marsh needle]

I got a 99 before we got gear lol

[marsh needle]

queue as fury

I queue as fury then swap to arms once im inside

[umbral badger]

yea but as i always say, i am the bizentein "people" , the colossus fans xd

[marsh needle]

I have all 11s/12s timed and i can’t even get invited to 10s as arms, as soon as i swap to fury i just get instant invite

Sheeple too reliant on YouTuber tier lists for invites lol

[umbral badger]

that being said, colossus does better on 2 targets 'if you sim it, or at least my char sims better on 2 targets" but we don't have pure 2 target fight sadly

[dire hinge]

also jsut a general invite problem with being a DPS

[marsh needle]

Ive found adding a note helps a ton too

[umbral badger]

if only the dragons fight was pure 2 target fight

then i'd be able to colossus

[wind hatch]

yeah but it feels WAY worse right now than it usually does

its insane

[dire hinge]

haha yeah literally every 2-target raid boss has an anti-Sweeping Strikes passive

[marsh needle]

Wait for MDI when our savior plays arms in AA

[dire hinge]

+1 on setting notes though, im getting into groups with some patience

[umbral badger]

not only that, but also they should stop making demolish work the way it does, just make it aoe around us already for god sake >.<

[marsh needle]

then we’ll get invited again

[dire hinge]

also be sure you're not applying to groups that obviously wont take you (lust fill, brez, etc)

[slow saddle]

And try phys comps

[umbral badger]

it's IMPOSSIBLE to demolish on the dragons fight because it's directional in some sesne

[marsh needle]

the in-game filter helps a ton w that now, can filter out “dps slot available” and “no warrior in group”

saves a big headache

But also try listing a 10+ key and see how many DPS you get signing up and you will start to understand lol

[dire hinge]

yeah i still use PMGfilter

[umbral badger]

like demolish would be much more cool if they thought of it as a "slam" or if any of you know PoE "vaal ground slam, earthquake"

would be so cool

[slow saddle]

its madness

[umbral badger]

lets start a post to force blizzard into making demolish an aoe around us xd

[dire hinge]

honestly even just a frontal would be lovely

let me point it

[sharp wyvern]

Collossus slam
And it can use the same animation as collossus smash

[slow saddle]

ColloSAL slam ?

[umbral badger]

oh shit, that would make EVERYONE love colossus

more

colossus slam 😮

[minor gust]

@thick kelp

[rose ibex]

One big charged smash

[steel prawn]

can smb share his solo target talents pls?

[past finch]

What trinket was that

[dire hinge]

the image right below it 😉

[mild dagger]

Real talk, about to normal raid. Is arms passable now or should I just do fury again? If its even close i prefer arms

[lone raft]

It's passable

[mild dagger]

Say no more. thanks!

[lone raft]

Esp for normal ur fine and for the vanguard fight u will pump

[vapid spire]

Some dude gave shit to our tank because he didnt tank it lmao

[astral yarrow]

i have my little trinket collection in bank

[dire hinge]

hell yeah

[astral yarrow]

wait theres more

new bank thing fucked it 🙁

[latent moss]

opc my beloved

[umbral badger]

also a nice name actually

[astral yarrow]

can someone explain to me why my bank is fr*nch

[latent moss]

nice gold flex

Onglet 3

[astral yarrow]

ive spent so much gold on enchants on 246 gear

[latent moss]

axaxxaa

im still not r3 enchanting but i also dont raid so who cares

and m+ is fake rn anyway until i start doing real keys

farming gear

[proud heath]

Does the free slam/hs from FoB consume a sweeping strikes stack?

[rose ibex]

We already have colossus smash so it should probably be called something different... hey isn't it weird that colossus heroic tree has nothing to do with colossus smash?

[umbral badger]

yea i meant a "smash" thing

is also nice naming

[rose ibex]

Demolish works fine as it is

Choice talents in the hero tree to change how it works would be hella cool

Like being able to turn it into a version better for single target would also be cool

Instead of a giant aoe nova

[astral yarrow]

delete arms spec and start over

[viscid mica]

Play arms even if it sucks ass

[finite wasp]

My man

[ancient vector]

there was a macro to cast heroic strike when pressing cleave right?

[devout pewter]

cleave does that automatically on 3 targets

[ancient vector]

do i ever press slam?

[halcyon valve]

Occasionally yes

If you got rage and nothing else to do

[devout pewter]

I hate how we either are flooding with rage or are completely starved sometimes 😄

But the overall damage isn't that much lower to fury, right?

[rose ibex]

Naw

[lone raft]

some people in here have been pumping in mythic raid and the aoe in dungeons is good

[rose ibex]

It's pretty close

[lone raft]

bozo got top 2 in one of the fights

[rose ibex]

I think fury still has better st

[devout pewter]

yes, that absolutely

[rose ibex]

But who cares about that in mythic+

[devout pewter]

but we just pull ahead so hard on anything else

[rose ibex]

I just like that its more chill

Bladestorm is good for my old man gaming

[halcyon valve]

One of the best dps in heroic vanguard, but not considered for mythic world first, we need more buffs

[lone raft]

buff execute ez

[rose ibex]

I just want race to end so the real tuning can begin

[summer niche]

https://tenor.com/view/ronnie-coleman-gif-11144419

[inner terrace]

light weight babyyy

[fossil thistle]

play mine, we're doing it tonight

Had some pulls last week with like 10-12 less Ilvl and we were getting I think 30% or so P2

[nova marsh]

Guys am I crazy

Or is 9 bosses an average wow tier

[stable fiber]

it is

[astral yarrow]

considering the last million tiers has been 8 bosses, yes, its average

[stable fiber]

8-9

[lime ruin]

does anyone have a viable colossus arms M+ build that's fun to play and doesn't use ravager

[gritty karma]

ravager has huge value for aoe

dont think, there are builds without it

[lime ruin]

watch me

[slender sonnet]

what is the stigma against arms bro

I've signed to about 40 keys

268 2.6k score

and perma decline

100% chance I beat every single dps in those grps

[latent moss]

muh tier list says arms is b tier

arms is NOT b tier 😭 😭 😭

[slender sonnet]

yup

[rose ibex]

I swear lfr is the biggest scam in the game

[vapid spire]

Season is already boring with those unbalanced mess

You either grab a mage/lock to get easy dps or you suffer with other classes

[slender sonnet]

LOL

our 1trick frost mage has beaten me in about 1 key

in about 30 total

[vapid spire]

In cleave we good

Buyt in ST fucking mages are doing 100k dps

[slender sonnet]

I dont lose to clothies

fuck em

[lime ruin]

Idk I play warrior/monk and Windwalker just feels like Arms +

Like is flows the way arms is meant to

[slender sonnet]

I love arms

[lime ruin]

Zenith is way more fun to use and it's a personal buff not a debuff

[slender sonnet]

arms and rdruid are my specs

[hardy olive]

Guys Arms Owns

[minor gust]

NGL im feelin slayer keys

its a vibe

[slender sonnet]

Is it better on bosses?

[minor gust]

yee of course

keeps up with colo pretty well too in consistency with aoe

colo just got better peaks

[slender sonnet]

Just feels kinda shitty being like

pull before boss

boss

that was vexamus and I got 0 mechs

smh

[stable fiber]

are you using cleave

in st

[slender sonnet]

on ST?

[stable fiber]

i started using it and my st went up to 60k

btw

[slender sonnet]

when it lights up

I press it

for demo cdr aswell sometimes

should I be cleaving instead of slam?

[stable fiber]

doesnt give demo cdr on st

[slender sonnet]

oh

lol

im stupid

[calm surge]

arms warrior feel great in keys

but not so much in raid

[worldly rivet]

One of the few specs left where you have to choose a strong AOE or mid ST.

[slender sonnet]

Im pretty pleased with this for day2

only arms

did a couple of lower keys as fury/prot but all my top keys were as arms

[vapid spire]

Wanted to try it, how good is it rn ?

[vapid spire]

This is exactly like i feel, We can do insane Cleave damage, then on boss it feel like we hit with a wet noodle

[slender sonnet]

send build pookie

[minor gust]

Its good still woulda done more overall as colo but this is definitely the most competitive slayer has been with colo in keys

[vapid spire]

Is it better on bosses ?

[minor gust]

a bit better yeah was doing avg 60-65k on bosses

I miss old details I cant pull up any bosses anymore

shits buggy af

[minor gust]

nothing spicy same shit everyone uses for slayer

[slender sonnet]

Tah

I was just wanting to make sure I wasn't using a dogshit old version

[vapid spire]

Anyone has upcoming changes ?

[obsidian otter]

you will do more single target and aoe with this build over the BL build your single target sim is higher and 8 target sim is higher

and your overall will be higher

[minor gust]

I can see it

I just also like BL

[obsidian otter]

yeah playing colo your prolly use to that BL

from beta i got so use to 3 global every MS it feels odd playing BL for me 🙁

[crude arrow]

we are back?

[fossil root]

Yeah. Just tell me if Arms is viable in HC spire.

[minor gust]

anything is viable in heroic

[slender sonnet]

slayer

it says algethar but it was skyreach

I feel like it could be better

(as in I could play it better)

but it was nice not having to stress about demo and ravager

did like 55-60k on every boss

and like 120-150 on each pack

felt good

[median canyon]

So what’s the new M+ build

[nova marsh]

Why would it change

[median canyon]

Looks like people doing slayer now

[vapid spire]

I really like the fact that voidscarred DH are almost 50% of the top 100 leaderboard and they dont wanna give us a buff still

[lime ruin]

slayer is 10x more fun in M+

murlok.io can begone

[stable fiber]

"murlok.io"

[vapid spire]

I thought murlok was for pvp

[nova marsh]

People use it for pve too

[storm pendant]

There slayer on top too in murlok but i think colossus need someone to setup or they underperform

[minor gust]

Murlok just takes whoever the highest io is and whatever spec the last logged out into

Slayer is a good vibe but if you're and overall fiend still gonna be colo all the way

Still happy to see slayer doing pretty well

[quaint bloom]

Play fury do smash make 120k dps overall

No thonka required

Ez

[cosmic shale]

Little Spire action

[quaint bloom]

Spire of ascension is back

[languid torrent]

one of these days ill give slayer keys a try

i just love demo

[nova marsh]

Guys

Why do tanks sign up to a key

and insta cancel

Holy fuck this is annoying

[rare kite]

prob just accepted another invite

[nova marsh]

I stg it's been happening so often now in midnight 😭

[stray vessel]

finally got my garfrost two ton hammer

[rose ibex]

i swear there's supposed to be warrior stuff in this raid

but i still have yet to see it

[rare kite]

wdym by "warrior stuff"

[slow saddle]

Ive seen a plenty ngl😅

[rose ibex]

i'm just whining because still haven't gotten anything form raid yet :P

[slow saddle]

Hmm ngl my char is silly geared

Compared 2 effort

Raidwise

Done 12 keys i think though 1 item 1 duplicatw

Gaze of the Alnseer - Fixed an issue where the internal cooldown could occasionally be unintentionally ignored.

Hmm unintended nerf

?

[stable fiber]

dont think this effects either warrior spec much

its mostly specs like unholy, demo and spriest, pets and dots, also dots and auto attacks that applied debuffs would stack it

like unholy auto attacks stacked it because of 2 different talents that procced on auto attacks

[slow saddle]

Ok

[nova marsh]

LMAFO

Dude I just had a tank grief a key

Chief literally pulled

Like

The entirity of pit's first area for no reason one by one

We were at 70% before we even pulled a boss

[obsidian otter]

had DK in a 10 we get all the way to last boss in magi 10 mins left and he called the ret paladin a retardian and the holy pally and ret blew up on him. And he said you two have obvioulsy had to much of the light.. and he just left..

i was so sad..

wasted 20 mins.. of my life lol

[nova marsh]

...

LMAFO

Pugs are genuinely so bad this season

[obsidian otter]

the ret was full pvp gear and doing 36k overall.. so i can see where the DK was coming from lol

[nova marsh]

I had an 11

Now I haven 8

lmafo

...I mean I guess

And it is kinda trolly

But cmon man finish the key

[obsidian otter]

me and mage was already 100k overall i didnt even care i just wanted to finish it

[nova marsh]

Dude pugs legit

Make me mald

Like dosen't matter how hard I vet

I could ask for someone's SSN, first born child, their entire wow history condensed into 5 paragraphs

and they'd still fuck it up

[obsidian otter]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-this-all-about-cary-elwes-lawrence-gordon-saw-whats-the-story-here-gif-21902194

we dont read lol we zug

[nova marsh]

Well

Unfortauntely the zug is lettin me down rn

3 bricked keys today

I could build a house with this shit

[gentle gyro]

is it still possible to toggle debuff duration somehow?

This is so annoying

[nova marsh]

Ya know what

I gotta get obs

[lime ruin]

why is nobody inviting the 2700 io 268 ilvl arms warrior to their +10s

am I fucking going insane

[nova marsh]

First of all god damn nice dude

Second of all, tier list slop

[slow saddle]

Also coz every1 does 10s atm

So u compete against same score ppl in better specs

Is what it is

[nova marsh]

Yeah pugging if you're not high IO meta is hell

[rare kite]

sign up as fury then swap

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[lime ruin]

Holy based

wait hold on

[gentle gyro]

Don't we suffer from this literally every season since DF S1?

Tier list perception

[rare kite]

to a degree. turned around in s2 tww for a bit

[gentle gyro]

That was short lived

[nova marsh]

I mean I feel like most specs kinda do

Even in keys where actual player performance matters more

[near verge]

just tryng out arms on the dummies, reading the guide and wanted to confirm we dont press heroic strike procs in aoe correct?

[nova marsh]

I wonna say FoB presses it for you, but I could be wrong.

[near verge]

kk ty, ill try it out and look at the meters/procs on my bar

thank you ^_^

you're right, seems like it does consume the proc, very nice

[solar stump]

Is there any aura I can track and attach a sound to when Slam turns into Heroic Strike? I can't find any buff that represents Slam being Heroic Strike

[vapid spire]

Like, a toilet sound

[gleaming imp]

Guys how am i top 1 dps as arms in every m+ i do vs A and above tier specs

Is everyone using one button rotation

[stable fiber]

because arms is goo

d

[vapid spire]

Cleave is good, ST is trash

[gleaming imp]

It works in steat of the triumvirate (idk how you spell it) on the 3 target boss

Big dmg

[stable fiber]

works in every dungeon

cause its good

[still fox]

how mich dmg % is the 4p to 2p set?

[stable fiber]

the ST isnt really as bad when you figure out when to weave cleaves in

and know when to charge for rage

its certainly not great but it isnt tank dps

also the spec does 90k boss dps if you can funnel

[gleaming imp]

Yeah i have no idea sometimes it hits 120k sometimes 20k

[stable fiber]

so algethar boss is actually gross

[stable fiber]

yeah typically you use it in execute, ravager and cs when you cant push anything else

[languid torrent]

yea doing like a 500k pull into a 56k boss dam makes me so happy

😄

[stable fiber]

i did like 95k dps on the algethar boss (210k total counting adds)

the big tree

you actually do like 50% more damage to main target if you can funnel

[gleaming imp]

I'd expect over 300 no? Xd

[stable fiber]

you are not doing 300k on that boss

unless the other dps are just afk

[gleaming imp]

Idk rotation even i just press what looks right xd

[stable fiber]

the rotation isnt really the hard part of arms esp in aoe

its mostly knowing when to use cooldowns and when not to use cooldowns

st rotation is kinda hard though

[gleaming imp]

Rage starvation

[stable fiber]

yeah you need rend up + shaman windfury

or else you have 0 rage

also know how to charge weave

[slate plinth]

ok wtf happend here, are we meta now?

[minor gust]

did you think if some dumb tier list put arms in F it couldnt do a 16?

[obsidian otter]

mythic plus dps is for overall which has always been decent our boss damage just sucks still the least amount of parses by far lol 7k next lowest one is 34k

[slate plinth]

i thought we would be like middle of the pack when it comes to overall dmg

after the buffs

[minor gust]

Arms always had good aoe

[vapid spire]

We're like 600 to play arms, we pumpin but we're not meta

[minor gust]

it just suffered in the ST

[vapid spire]

Our ST is awful

We lookin good with the 7k parses since we dont have 20k parses of random bozos doing 16k dps