arms

[latent moss]

didnt go well

i couldnt pad

i legit get my demo out and adds are gone

gg

[thick kelp]

yep

[minor gust]

idk how you even did that my guild killed adds on first boss before my demolish even finished

[thick kelp]

maybe in myffic

[latent moss]

next week slayer to cope on boss damage

[latent moss]

arms parses this patch

[thick kelp]

we split the adds away from boss

[latent moss]

do u get to pad

[thick kelp]

i pre puzzle leap ava cs demo rava cleave

no chance for disgusting devourets to pad

[minor gust]

I did too problem was everyone else in the raid did the same

[latent moss]

noted

[latent moss]

just go boost

ez

mega pad

colo on every boss

max pad

[minor gust]

real

[latent moss]

need to invoke the loboz within you

🐐

[thick kelp]

i cbaa with devourets tho

they pick the collapsing star cleave talent

and adds just vanish

in one casg

[latent moss]

ye

[minor gust]

shit should live longer hopefully on mythic enough for me to pad

[latent moss]

its so disgusting

[minor gust]

if not its cooked and im playing slayer

[thick kelp]

disgusting pig apec

[latent moss]

why doesnt that get gutted

[spring vale]

devourer haram spec

[latent moss]

like fury got guttedi n s1 tww

why does fury get gutted for burst padding

[thick kelp]

Insane how much free dps it is

[latent moss]

but not devourer

[thick kelp]

behind 1 button

auto cleaving no dps loss

[spring vale]

we both know why, brown class never allowed to stay good

[latent moss]

gotta aura farm as arms

wcyd

[minor gust]

meanwhile more demolish nerfs

[latent moss]

bro demo pmo

[minor gust]

all because of prot

[latent moss]

fuck ass spell

where tww s3 numbers

[thick kelp]

slayer nerf cuz fury

colo nerfs cuz prot

gg

[latent moss]

gg

arms moment

[minor gust]

I miss it man. Made me enjoy colo a lot more seeing Demo actually feel worth it and hit like a nuke

[latent moss]

same

this is lowk sad

[minor gust]

remember when demo and cleave were basically doing the same dmg

[latent moss]

im ngl i enjoy cleave doing so mcuh damage but

[minor gust]

I member

[latent moss]

i want demo to hit hard too

[tawdry quail]

This is their way of reverting the sudden death reap the storm nerf right?

[latent moss]

ye

it keeps the sd reap while also keeping it aoe only

[minor gust]

yes they compromised with us

[latent moss]

which was their goal i guess

cleave is just so disgusting man

saw it crit for 250k

[rose ibex]

Still paying for the sins commited in vanilla

[latent moss]

i guess bro

i never seen ms hit for more than 150k

[spring vale]

you might say it as a joke but I genuinely believe they're like well, warrior is good in vanilla so retail can suck it

[rose ibex]

I also think the rage mechanic is just difficult to balance

Don't warrior tend to scale like crazy by end of expansions?

Once everyone is just juiced to hell from secondary stats

I never usually stick around that long

[steep osprey]

Cleave is just doing too much though

[latent moss]

no

scaling is fake

[minor gust]

its both

[latent moss]

it was real in like wrath

cause of arpen

[rose ibex]

I don't know anything

[spring vale]

i dont recall warrior being particularly strong end of tww so prob not anymore

it was just fine

[steep osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[rose ibex]

Normally I am very distracted and keep playing alts til i burn out but the pruning has focused my interest

[steep osprey]

Also due to rage scaling with damage done

The more damage you do, the more rage you generate

[thick kelp]

"pruning" but arms got more buttons gg

[rose ibex]

Thats partly why I like it

[latent moss]

ye i forgor

pruned

btw

[rose ibex]

I enjoy having a wide priority list to sort through

[thick kelp]

every classes rotation is 2-3 buttons + 1 cd

meanwhile arms

[rose ibex]

I dislike hammering the same button over and over back to back

[latent moss]

is sd worth pressing after the buff

i imagine it is now

[rose ibex]

Though I can stomach cleave combo

[latent moss]

cba rerunning the sims maybe u did already

[thick kelp]

below ms hs and between ops yes

[thick kelp]

the sims r where they always r

i ran in morning

[languid torrent]

i love spamming cleave

[rose ibex]

For aoe, is it better to bladestorm after cs and THEN cleave combo or better to cleave combo first before cs?

Also do sd procs take priority over the cleave combo?

Getting bs on cd so you can benefit from sd procs seems important but I could be wrong

Also using bs first means you have a haste buff for cleave combo

[thick kelp]

always follow cs with as many cleaves as you can before bs

sd procs are not above priority of cleaves

[rose ibex]

Hmm OK. Im sure tier set will also make that feel better too

Feels like cs runs out on one or the other. Whichever you use second

[thick kelp]

if you play either spec and are fighting more than 1 or 2 targets just hit cleave

this will get u 99% there

[tacit crystal]

do you not do cleaves if you ahev demo and no rav

to build cm and get demo on cdr

or cleave

[thick kelp]

i cleave if demo stacks are sub 10 after cs

if demo at 10 then its cs demo

[rose ibex]

I wish ravager and avatar didnt exist and the specs got buffs to compensate their absence

[thick kelp]

they didnt exist in alpha

they got re added

[tacit crystal]

bro i cant track cm

[thick kelp]

due to "flavour"

[tacit crystal]

they killed her

(wa)

[rose ibex]

Well I think its dumb

[minor gust]

there was a timeline in which midnight released with no avatar or ravager

[tacit crystal]

i miss her

(wa)

[rose ibex]

I like it when warrior cooldowns are attack type abilities like bladestorm and demolish

Ravager is basically a buff :/

[thick kelp]

bs shoulda been in the slayer tree

and ava in thane tree

[rose ibex]

Agreed

And then something new in place of ravager and bs in the actual arms tree

[sacred hatch]

Can someone explain to me why blizzard decided to give pure aoe 4p set bonus to arms and wouldnt it be better to either change it or add ST bonus to make it at least more viable for ST and 2 targer cleave fights?

[fresh spire]

our tier is one of the best st and aoe sets in the game

the 4p extends CS from MS and cleave.

[tacit crystal]

fishy fishy foshy

bs cancel real now?

[fresh spire]

no

[tacit crystal]

[steep osprey]

Bro wants to cancel BS

Unhinged won't let you cancel BS

[craggy kestrel]

I'm currently playing Fury but could someone give me a quick rundown in why Arms seems to be falling behind in raiding and M+? Trying to get a good grasp of the class in general

[stray vessel]

hows it goin everyone quick question why is this red?

[fresh spire]

fire

[minor gust]

its angry

[sacred hatch]

oh maybe I've read it wrong. my bad

[rose ibex]

Inconsistent burst and and bad st. It's great in m+

[craggy kestrel]

Oh is it? Wasn't sure for M+. Most places I see place it low but the season did just start and all I hear is it has good AoE so wasn't sure where the disconnect is from

[rose ibex]

My experience is that while my mage friend 50%+ to doubles my single target, I can do my cs burst combo more often so overall dungeon damage is fairly close

But raid performance has been a struggle

You either full send and hope you get procs so your cooldowns are up for padding or you hold cds for padding. Either way you lose in some regard unless luck is on your side

I am kind of a noob and am regurgiating what ive been told and what ive experienced so take my words with a grain of salt

I just wanna hit stuff

And spin

[thorn stream]

@minor gust thanks for saving slayer

[rose ibex]

Slayvior

[minor gust]

🫡

[rose ibex]

It is appreciated

[thorn stream]

Hopefully they’ll tune according to reap loss in st now

Right

[rose ibex]

If they do, it will overall be healthier design for the class and tuning

[minor gust]

thats a problem for another day. For now we celebrate slayer gameplay not being destroyed

[thorn stream]

True

And true

[rose ibex]

Hit stuff throw stuff

Spin spin

Tazdingo

[steep osprey]

Tuning issues are nothing compared to design issues

[rose ibex]

But tuning becomes easier if design issues are fixed

Classes with easy knobs to adjust always get more attention

[thorn stream]

Good take

Can’t imagine how horrible to tune reap right now is

I’ll miss reaps spin in st tho

[rose ibex]

I imagine the classes that just get aura buffs slapped on them (us) are the ones that are the problem classes

Designers just look at this mess of abilities are just go "fuckit. Aura buff"

[flint cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/pointing-traitor-michael-scott-the-office-steve-carell-gif-17953273

@stable fiber I mean that in the nicest way possible. 😛

[thorn stream]

Yes sure I get that and that’s why agree it’s healthier (:

[marsh needle]

arms > fury confirmed

[slender sonnet]

Real

[marsh needle]

11 magisters lol

[rapid bronze]

Are we cooking now in m+?

[shy oyster]

Always been good with the cleave

[rapid bronze]

Yeah but the tank boss damage

[shy oyster]

Yeah still bad, but not so impossible to be decent/okay with it now.

[fresh spire]

arms feels pretty good in keys when you got good crit rate

[tacit crystal]

fishy

[shy oyster]

What's a good crit rate do you guys run with?

[tacit crystal]

i go full mastery

[rare kite]

might as well. crit is 50/50 anyway, you either crit or you don't

[minor gust]

old propaganda arms ST is now meh

buffs helped

[worldly rivet]

mythic+ feels very undertuned right now. I care more about the boss damage and moved some more talents into ST.

[tawdry quail]

Do we run slayer or colossus in M+ rn?

Correct me if I’m wrong but Demolish should have a talent or effect that says “Deals X% more dmg when hitting only a single target, growing weaker up to 3” or something

So it keeps the uncapped aoe, but does well in crit and even better in cleVe

[slender sonnet]

dragonslayer

[sick crown]

I just started playing Arms again, haven't really touched it since DF and in our reclear today I noticed I was super rage starved, should I just be not pressing my buttons and waiting on rage ? we didn't have a shaman but I don't know if that changes anything

[tawdry quail]

not only that but I do wish Demolish had a nice skill area effect like that dragon breath from dractyrs

[hoary palm]

slayer is better for M+

[slender sonnet]

t

today's been a great day

[latent moss]

🍽️

[unique steppe]

ur character looks so goofy lol

not the t3 tho that looks good

[sacred zodiac]

L no gaze

[minor gust]

colo all the way right now but tbh havent done a slayer key yet

[slender sonnet]

its bad tho right

I passed on it

[sacred zodiac]

its bis on the spec you will click to prog bosses

[minor gust]

[slender sonnet]

I'm not swapping to it till that spec beats me

which they never do

[sacred zodiac]

do you want me to apply and take your spot

dont have to justify playing the spec you like cause the people you are sourrounded by arent good

just say you want to onetrick and own it

[languid torrent]

arms in keys is so much fun man

i really should give slayer a play tho

[tight wing]

slayer feels better imo

[languid torrent]

but like fuck demo cleave is fun

[latent moss]

colo owns

[marsh needle]

slayer owns too

and has better st

[worldly rivet]

do you guys think our mastery should scale better or just right

[marsh needle]

you beat fury on dragons?

aintnoway or ur fury warrior is just buns

[slender sonnet]

yeah boi

we have 2 furys

I beat them both

[shy oyster]

What does the build even look like for a Slayer m+/cleave build?

Same as colo but with more focus on Execute SS?

[marsh needle]

ive been signing up to keys as fury then swapping once i get inside lol

[wild crow]

My man

[latent moss]

im just signing up as arms

[marsh needle]

im doing 12s now its literally impossible to geti nvited as arms

ppl think they are better than they are

first week ego

[rose ibex]

Damage is done. Youtubers said their piece and havent updated their lists at all

[shy oyster]

Curious! I'll give this a go.

[marsh needle]

its just so much more fun than fury

and i do more dmg as arms in EVERY key

[rose ibex]

Agreed

Spin to win, baby

[shy oyster]

I was wondering how this is lmao. A friend is also suffering with SV hunter getting into keys and they were also thinking of doing this lol

Sign up and swap

[minor gust]

I beat a lot of furys on dragons

[rose ibex]

Groups fill super fast from my experience

[rose ibex]

Yeah but you are weird and inhuman

Was checking logs and most every other arms warrior had tier pieces that were parsing as high as you

Everyone also had the super super crit trinket

Big heart

I want that trinket.... I must have it....

[upper sparrow]

Do we use cleave on CD in two target situations? Or should we only cleave with a 3 stack of collateral damage?

[minor gust]

im mid at best just got 20 billion SD procs that pull

[shy oyster]

I wish I was also mid and every attack I did procced SD.

[slender sonnet]

close

[tough pond]

ayyy SS reaps

[marsh needle]

if you are beating any fury warrior on dragons they are just bad fury warriors lol

[slender sonnet]

Me too

But here we are

I’m just mid

[minor gust]

[devout pewter]

I'm seemingly not beating anything, Midnight made me total trash in Raid for some reason

Gotta spend a day to fix that

[nova marsh]

I mean yeah

But hey

At least fdk is the new laughing stock apparently

[vivid pike]

Stuipid question

How come some target dummies it says im doing 10k dps on burst and others 70k

Same target dummy

I just reset the damage meters each time and yet one moment my burst is 10k and others its 70k+

[devout pewter]

I think thats a bug with damage meters. Had that happen a couple of times at the start of a dungeon

[languid torrent]

yea blizzard damage meters suck ass

like its BAD

i just want details back man

[devout pewter]

That was with details though 😄

[vivid pike]

I’m going crazy

[minor gust]

Details now is just a reskin of blizzard dmg meters

[languid torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-the-agents-know-dont-gif-18536773

[wind hatch]

I thought I got rank 1 on that fight and then I checked the logs and got whiplash

[languid torrent]

i still have no idea how yall do that much damage on those fuckers

[minor gust]

it was all skill I was totally not lucky at all

(dont look at how fast I got my 2nd bladestorm)

[languid torrent]

8 SD

in 30 seconds

LOL

[ionic reef]

looks like arms is doing comparable damage to fury

[upbeat night]

why is master tactician or brute force not taken? wouldn't it help maintain rage with more over powers?

[nova marsh]

Idk about brute force, but master tacti is just because the value is so low it might as well not exist

5% more proc chance is extremely low

Yeah brute force isnt much better either

Theyre just tuned too low to be genuinely worth it

[hardy olive]

Arms owns

[nova marsh]

[junior marsh]

who up playin with they worm

[minor gust]

Wallife playing arms for paladins

[nova marsh]

Liquid?

(I know no names of their team besides max lmao)

Also I have made my choice

Fuck dk, im leveling my warrior

[vapid spire]

I really hope we gettin some more ST improvement

[kindred breach]

is crit that much better because of all the crit damage modifiers we have?

[nova marsh]

Probably yeah

[nova marsh]

I mean considering reap is leaving slayer st we literally have to

[kindred breach]

man i wish we stacked mast instead of crit

[nova marsh]

Because fury?

[kindred breach]

i mean it just feels like gambling damage on 30% crit chance is a terrible idea

would just prefer a flat increase

[vapid spire]

Reaching 80% and up mastery would be bis

[nova marsh]

....you do know that

Crap what is base cc before stats

Oh nevermind

[kindred breach]

it's like 9% ? no?

or 10? idk

[nova marsh]

Its 5% apparently

According to wowpedia

[kindred breach]

we also get some passive crit from talents afaik

[vapid spire]

Whats that addon ?

[kindred breach]

true stat values

[nova marsh]

I mran the thing is that like idk

I like big crits

Arms is...kinda for that

And the only time I feel like crit really fucks with your damage is colo st

Colo in general kinda

I don't feel like arms is like

[kindred breach]

you mean if you don't have crit?

[nova marsh]

No like

If you dont crit gg there goes your parse its fucking over

Like ffxiv paladin

That class is insanely crit reliant

Literally there can be like a 20% gap between two players doing perfect rotations if one just gets more crits on their burst

[kindred breach]

ah yeah that's why imo sometimes demolish feels like ass

either your dps shoots up into the sky

or you just stay below everybody

[nova marsh]

Yeah sometimes, mainly st tbh

[kindred breach]

perhaps the hungering heart trinket saves it

from vorasius

[nova marsh]

I mean also it'll feel better later on

When we have higher stats

Loosing reck also hurts

[kindred breach]

yeah, true

[nova marsh]

I'd crit damage variance isn't that crazy either

...but no it absoutlely is

HOLY FUCK

WHAT ARE THESE FLASK PRICES

[forest moth]

Each 2 flask craft costs a Nocturnal Lotus + mats, Lotuses are 2.8k each

[nova marsh]

lmafo

[upbeat night]

does dreadnaught make overpower a multitarget ability removing its chance to give heroic strike?

[lyric hound]

I feel like after playing a ton of m+ today I wish ravager would die a slow death. What a boring talent

[minor gust]

No OP will still proc HS

[regal dragon]

has the recraft been fixed?

[jade ember]

Arms keeping up with MM on mythic Paladins warms my cold dead heart

[nova marsh]

Guys is it just me

Or does caverns kinda suck

[modest marlin]

when did Lotus prices go up?

[frail crown]

It’s actually slamming!! That last pull walle was like 4th

[cunning burrow]

nerf arms when

[jade ember]

Fury stealing the deeps on Dragons, Arms stealing the deeps on Paladins.

Expansion of the woyer dps confirmed

[nova marsh]

+But guys one MM is outdpsing us

[midnight reef]

Revvez tomorrow will top dps on paladins and blizzard will nerf arms cause of that

[modest marlin]

"I have execute" 😄

[minor gust]

No hes cleaving

[nova marsh]

Bro a 260 ret applied to my key

insta decline

[vapid spire]

You dont want him to eat all your glue ?

[nova marsh]

That glue is mine to eat

[midnight reef]

He has acess to every trinket and he is using that renowm trinket, any ideas ? Walllife from liquid

[nova marsh]

it sims dummy high

[midnight reef]

But its a simm bug right ? the uptime on the simms is like 90%

[nova marsh]

I thinkkkk it is?

I'd have to check logs

[frail crown]

😂

[stable fiber]

its funny

cause the arms cleave execute is just better

lmao

but nobody knows how the spec works

mm might be better to just get to execute faster but im certain arms will end the highest

[marsh needle]

Is paladins the only fight they’ve played arms so far?

[nova marsh]

Yes

[jade ember]

I only really caught Dragons and Paladins but clappa is too stronk to not be Fury on Dragons

[nova marsh]

The pad

THE PAD

[marsh needle]

I play arms on salad bar too

[thick hamlet]

[formal cairn]

question with arms with 2 target damage, do we follow the priority for multi-target or single target with added sweeping strikes?

since cleave wont proc heroic strike

[thick hamlet]

anybody knows what the difference is

is there even a downside to using the smaller one

[minor gust]

depends what build are you playing

[rancid robin]

on "classic" demolish, u do ST rotation, but u use ur cleave with 2+ stack instead of slam as a filler

[minor gust]

So close on cosmos

[nova marsh]

Cmon

You saved slayer

You can do it

[lone raft]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-smile-flirt-gif-16060035702808606489

[gleaming path]

if were starting at 0 cm stacks do we just send demo after CS before cleaving?
also is it still just press 4x cleave or do we weave anything else post buffs

[minor gust]

Send cleaves first and an MS

try to build stacks while tank is pulling too

[gleaming path]

okay saw some people saying sending demo early is okay now, ty

[minor gust]

if you are at max stacks send demo after cs

[lone raft]

bozo u have videos of ur gameplay

or a good arms channel/streamer to watch, I feel like I'm getting the hang of it but would like to see

[slow saddle]

Tbh same

[hoary palm]

This is the best Arms m+ build

[slow saddle]

Kek

Pretyy certain i wouldnt wanna miss uber cleave

[hoary palm]

you dont need it

[slow saddle]

Or battlelord

[rose ibex]

hmmm. i just got a heroic weapon from a delve....

[slow saddle]

Gz😄

[hoary palm]

the sweeping strikes from CS is useless too

[slow saddle]

Fury it is

Kek

[rose ibex]

do you guys think it is worth recrafting my craftd weapon with mythic crests or you think i should just use this hero weapon i found?

[slow saddle]

Thats some big takes in low keys

[slow saddle]

U allready crafted weapon?

If yes. Upgrade it 100% biggest upgrade no downside

[sharp flame]

when you guys pop WB and Ravager are you just spamming cleave?

or are we weaving in another single target ability for SS more dmg on cleave?

[rose ibex]

well, it would use my mythic crests

which i could maybe use on something else

[slow saddle]

On what?

Do u raid mythic this week?

If u only m+ its 1 item in vault next week unless omega unlucky. U have 200 available

If u get myth weap u only spend another 20 upgrading it instead of 100

So crest wise little downside

Saves u hero crests u can dend into ya hc gear

[lone raft]

https://tenor.com/view/abell46s-conan-abell46s-funny-guerrero-barbaro-gif-20880955

[rose ibex]

oh god no

[lone raft]

upgrade those wrists maybe??

[rose ibex]

we'll be lucky if we even do a few heroics

[nova marsh]

Then weap is your best bet

[lone raft]

definitely don’t upgrade ur weapon as an arms warrior

[nova marsh]

Full send that shit baby

[rose ibex]

i just know that those wrists and cape are supposed to be special or something

[nova marsh]

Not special

[lone raft]

maybe upgrade ur battle pet

[nova marsh]

But they're useful cuz they're low stat budget

[rose ibex]

truuuue

yeah i mainly m+

we might do a few heroic bosses this week but i dunno

my guild is just a small group of friends and we pug any gaps we have

[minor gust]

No I dont but you can watch Bizentein

[fervent cedar]

I noticed biz sends demolish off the rip instead of building stacks with cleave spam

[vapid spire]

Is heroic raid a lot harder ? I dont really have a guild to do it

[fervent cedar]

Definitely a step up in difficulty but not too much harder than normal

If youre patient you can slowly pug through it

[weak wave]

Why does Colossus have so low St dmg? Feels do bad to do only a little more than tank dmg

[hoary palm]

I think slayer is the way to go. M+ isn’t only trash

[crisp mesa]

this trinket is insane, 40%~ish uptime 😄

[hoary palm]

Playing colossus aoe build is griefing your party in single target

[novel belfry]

Is Bizen playing slayer or colossus in keys?

[cerulean flame]

is there an easy way to track sweeping strikes without a WA?

[hoary palm]

in game buff tracker

[nova marsh]

You fool

Weak auras dont exist anymore

[minor gust]

Any gain slayer has in ST over colo isnt worth the aoe difference

not really a reason to play slayer besides fun

[cerulean flame]

I know but i meant like

can I just download an addon and not have to think

:3

[nova marsh]

I mean you dont have to download addon when addon in game

[cerulean flame]

frickin

okay ill go mess with my UI again

[nova marsh]

Look

Its better then the shit I went through for arc

I love my ui but fucking christ that was AGONY to set up

[hoary palm]

i disagree

the aoe is similar and colossus single target is simply not playable

[minor gust]

lol the aoe is not similar at all

I aint playing slayer for 12% more boss dmg when colo gains almost 30% aoe

[hoary palm]

Aoe sims arent gospel

[minor gust]

the whole unplayable colo ST is outdated propaganda at this point

[hoary palm]

You can also run a more single target focused talent build

[minor gust]

Feel free to play what you want

[summer niche]

https://tenor.com/view/phil-heath-bodybuilder-posing-gif-20432602

[gleaming imp]

Hey guys

I there any single target arms build for raid that won't be below tank?

[minor gust]

Alright did a slayer key. I was def wrong slayer holding up pretty well. Theres room for both to exist right now.

[hoary palm]

You’re a beast for testing it

[old glacier]

Lets gooo

[minor gust]

ill do some more tomorrow if I can get out of tanking keys for the boys. but right now its 3am and it bed time

[hoary palm]

Try this next

[smoky kayak]

that's an odd build

[austere solar]

Thank you for your feedback for the community.

[gleaming imp]

I got beaten by 2 on a hc one and im still not 2 set

[formal furnace]

Is arms viable in raid setups?

Single target specifically

Or is fury still outpacing it

[old glacier]

I can actually get 4 set now with the 2 catalists haha.

[gleaming imp]

When do you get another catalyst

Isnt it weekly

[tacit crow]

Achievement I guess

[austere solar]

I'm interest into playing slayer in m+. Find it more fun than Colossus.

If tests conclude it's more or less équivalent, it will be a go for me.

[summer niche]

2 weeks lfr and normal raid no set piece even not from vault and I had it filled to the brim

[minor gust]

[summer niche]

F* this shit

[minor gust]

thanks to the 66 other people that commented on that thread

and made it as popular as it could be for a arms feedback thread

[gleaming imp]

I did lfr heroic and normal and same

[minor gust]

[summer niche]

This is some next level BS bro hahahhaa

My pala got 2piece set but I hate to play him

But it seems like:

https://tenor.com/view/classic-tbc-tbc-classic-wow-wow-warcraft-tbc-gif-22224596

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kot-lock-in-lock-in-gif-14433487186457527318

[summer niche]

It feels like shit not getting anything and still losing in ST atleast I can pump numbers in M+

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

It hurts

It really hurts

This game is testing my mental everyday

[low elk]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-a-farewell-to-arms-gif-12921556865772869155

[thick kelp]

https://giphy.com/gifs/its-over-were-back-so-r6oVCm8D7n6KRXHEke

[minor gust]

Killed Alleria tonight did almost 86k. Just did pure ST. Tried broad strokes for like 2 pulls, but I didn't see the point wasnt really doing anything.

[gleaming imp]

Aura buff arms 20%

30*

[low elk]

lets compromise

40

[gleaming imp]

Tbf isnt frost dk lower than arms in logs

[thick kelp]

:mhm:

[low elk]

who cares other classes dont exist

[gleaming imp]

Lol

Is slayer the go to for st

Werent they gonna nerf arms next season or am i tripping

[thick kelp]

at the moment yes slayer for ST

the "nerfs" are coming in the 0.5 patch

which is probably in 2 months

These ners will make Slayer ST take a nose dive unless they give it some extra oomph

[minor gust]

Would say they will buff since these changes feel like they are being made for tuning but you never know with blizzard.

[thick kelp]

Well they are made to move reap into being an aoe only thing

but the wording on the datamining hints that they could be making cleave baseline

Or they just typo a whole lot

[minor gust]

👀

[thick kelp]

ex. whirlwind is completely removed from reap

according to tooltips

[minor gust]

Would be pretty neat

Let's just start slowly removing these aoe talents please

[gleaming imp]

They aura buff devourer instead of arms

Js saying

[thick kelp]

Yeah and now devourer snipes all adds with collapsing star auto cleaving at the cost of 1 talent point

GG

[minor gust]

Knowing blizzard tho they are prob not making cleave baseline and just adding another required talent for slayer

[thick kelp]

True

[minor gust]

Also for fury slayer I wonder if it's worth to press WW before using SD procs for the reap in ST. Could be if they buff reap after these changes.

Actually nvm read it wrong

Multiple targets

[royal estuary]

Hi all, new to the game and first time wow player. I am generally very competitive and some of the friends suggest not playing warrior atm and some asked me to ask here. I really like how ARMS works, I only have time to play 1 class and only Mythic plus dungeons. I want to be competitive at end game. can any of you please answer this. Is ARMS competitive at Mythic plus end game content? Assume I only play dungeons.

Sorry if this is not the right place to ask this. please guide me

[zenith dagger]

slayer arms does kinda go hard

[thick kelp]

If you push bleeding edge content play something else. If not, play what yuo want :)

[zenith dagger]

10 seat, dec i think

[thick kelp]

if you are new to the game you can play arms as much as you want

The spec will not be a limiting factor in your gameplay

[royal estuary]

what is bleeding edge content? is it some kinda content or just metaphor for some kinda end game ranking system?

[latent moss]

arms can keep up somewhat with meta specs

[latent moss]

high keys / mythic raids

[thick kelp]

Metaphor for playing in the top3 guilds of the world or competing in the blizzard organized dungeon competitions

[royal estuary]

Thank you very much sir, I'll give it a go and post how it goes

[latent moss]

lowk i think arms would work better in mdi and tgp

than in regular m+

[thick kelp]

Sure if your team plays like noxivvs

[latent moss]

ye true

buff devourer

i almost crashed out yesterday on dreamrift hc

bro just presses collapsing star

[latent moss]

pugging will be very hard

no one wants to invite an arms warrior

[royal estuary]

I don't know what that mean

[latent moss]

finding groups

[royal estuary]

oh sheet

[jolly lily]

i can safely say arms is so fun in m+

[stray vessel]

arms do be fun in M+

[jolly lily]

st is meh but the overall gap is nice😅

[stray vessel]

Col Cleave build is fun

[royal estuary]

Sorry if this comes as condescending but I have like 2-3 hours max per day, what melee classes would you suggest for getting easy invites. I like playing dps

[jolly lily]

fury and enh sham

[thick kelp]

Right now? Unholy DK

[tepid hull]

@royal estuary Enhance because lust

[thick kelp]

fury warrior can potentially be getting invites later on in the season

Your best bet would honestly to play a range class like mage or warlock

for highest chance of invites

[royal estuary]

Ok let me check them out

[latent moss]

fury gonna be dangerous

that 10% aura was not what i expected ngl

[jolly lily]

ive played with many unholy dks and most dont know how to play the spec so it makes me wonder

[latent moss]

i played with an unholy that knows

[thick kelp]

Sounds pretty hard to not know how to play the spec

when its so piss easy

[royal estuary]

Once again ty for the inputs guys, one last question. instead of bugging you guys, is there a place I can track this? I would have asked my friends but they went to bed 🙁

[thick kelp]

Track the best specs?

[royal estuary]

yeah from invite standpoint & dps. I don't care if its a little behind other classes, I just want to be good at the class I play

[royal estuary]

I am guessing this means Enhancement Shaman. I'll try it out. ty

[neat locust]

is slayer viable in m+? I miss some ST dmg. Col does huge aoe, but lacks in ST, maybe slayer can balance it out?

[dense sphinx]

post .5 patch slayer might go hard in keys

[jolly lily]

overall i think col is better but slayer is also good

[shy oyster]

Can be viable, but colossus really shines during -stacked- pulls in my experience.

[neat locust]

it does, it hits so hard, but in st fights ex. ranjit, it jsut falls so ahrd especially when u cant be close to boss to dps

[shy oyster]

I feel like Colossus falls apart once you run with groups who immediately blast and dont give the tank the chance to control the pack so you can do a meaty big bonk

and then when you get to ST boss fights... yeah...

[neat locust]

even our 4 set is big aaoe

so i was wondering if slayer could even that out

[shy oyster]

Honestly, you can run effectively with either

Slayer is really good because it doesn't really rely on stacked packs

[neat locust]

which build would you recommend for that?

the one on wowhead is raid

[shy oyster]

Atm? I haven't fully tried Slayer in m+ fully, will be trying that out but on the scant attempts i've had its performing slightly easier. But Colossus definitely wins out in organisation. You dont want to Demolish only 2 mobs in a spread pack of 5-7 mobs for example >_>

For a m+ slayer build? the one on WoWhead is a slight alter from the colossus one. Give that a try.

[thick kelp]

You would be trading 30% aoe damage for like 5% St

i honestly do not think this is worth it

[neat locust]

i see

[shy oyster]

Yeah, don't look at what I say as sacrosanct 😂 i'm experimenting too

Just saying what i've found so far, but there are other experienced Arms bois in this disco

For the awful spread-out people packs, it only happens once in a blue moon honestly. And it is super frustrating, having to hold back Demolish sometimes.

[thick kelp]

If you wanna play around with Slayer go with the wowhead Slayer m+ build. You can mvoe around the point in mass execution to your liking

[tight basin]

How much did the last update help Arms? was the cleave nerf necessary

[thick kelp]

it helped and yes it was

[latent moss]

cleave nerf was absolutely necessary

its still a very stupid spell

[neat locust]

i am stuck between baldestorm and ravager then, any tips

[tight basin]

You cant play ravager as Slayer.

[thick kelp]

Slayer always bladestorm

[latent moss]

140k windrunner

breakdown

[thick kelp]

Well you can..... and its only like 5% behind bladestorm

[latent moss]

this is post nerf

[empty sluice]

more like 15% st

[neat locust]

Thank you

[tight basin]

Yh sure, but you might as well play Colosssus then, youre losing half the passives from slayer tree

[thick kelp]

Colossus is at 77k ST with m+ build. Slayer is at 88k with its m+ build (that is more ST focused anyway)

[neat locust]

Idm bladestorm, was just wondering waht to take

[spiral abyss]

so you hold ravager avatar and demlosh completely around colossus strike?

[thick kelp]

yeah

[spiral abyss]

and as long as collosus strike is up you would use any of those that are up

[thick kelp]

The spec basically plays around CS

so you want to line up something with CS

ava and demo down? But cs and rava up? Send Cs and rava

[spiral abyss]

and if nothing is up youd just send CS anyways

[thick kelp]

yeah CS always on CD

[spiral abyss]

which will happen i assume

got it

picking it up for paladins mythic and havent played it before

[thick kelp]

basically CS + something or everything as often as u can

[spiral abyss]

trying to figure out the priority for 2T but using the paladins build

how much do you want to cleave in 2t

[limber valve]

why does SD move up in priorty in "execute priority" ? for colossus

[spiral abyss]

i assume mortal strike still has prio? but you'd still use the cleave

[thick kelp]

in 2t you cleave when at 3 collat stacks or ravager up

but you always ms>cleave in 2t

then cleave > ms in 3+

[latent moss]

can we get blizz to make ss and broad strokes

stack

[thick kelp]

pl0x

[spiral abyss]

but realistically from cooldowns youre going to end up using both no matter what

just in different prios

i assume

[fresh spire]

rather they shot improved sweep, make broad do 18 stacks and not be castable anymore

so never have to care about ss

[latent moss]

its so annoying having to think about how much value u will get out of ss if cs is on cd

cause i dont wanna overwrite

[thick kelp]

Because it starves with rage so getting a "free" cast off is nice

[thick kelp]

reaaal

[latent moss]

idk im just perma holding ss nowadays

[limber valve]

right, but I am not pressing execute anyway, according to wowhead guide

[latent moss]

holding it to use after broad strokes

[limber valve]

execute only if deep wounds is talented

[thick kelp]

yeah its very low prio

and since thats St

it assumes you have DW talented

for the Sd line too

you can just add the DW line to the Sd execute too

[limber valve]

okay thats sort of what I assumed

[thick kelp]

after the exe buff SD is a good button if you cant press MS or OP in the m+ build tho in St

[limber valve]

I guess even with DW talented, why is Execute > MS in single target in execute

[thick kelp]

EP

[limber valve]

I see I see

weirdly complicated

[thick kelp]

it is

They forgot to add arms into the part of "Simplifying and pruning" class design

[latent moss]

rate

[thick kelp]

oly

[spiral abyss]

is demolish also off cooldown? or youd just hold it for after CS

[thick kelp]

hold for Cs in 99% of cases

[spiral abyss]

kk

[thick kelp]

You can send a 10 stack if your CS just ran out type of deal

[spiral abyss]

and you typically want to send all ur free cleaves first? to stack up collosal might

as long as its within the CS buff window

no harm

[weak wave]

Ahh yes it is. Especially when playing in chaotic PUGs. Just a few missplaced Demolishs cause of randomly moving enemies and the advantage of Colossus AoE is gone.

[thick kelp]

yes if your demolish stacks are 5 or below

[untold pewter]

Frankly that's a skill issue

[thick kelp]

Should have learned the cs shockwave demo opener from TWW

[untold pewter]

Yep, honesty required at times

[spiral abyss]

also how do you want to use heroic strike in a 2t 3t scenario, i appreciate the help btw

to me it seem like you just get hoeric strike off of using cleave with SS

[loud garden]

colossus is fun

[thick kelp]

in 2t you manually send it. In 3t your cleave will spend it with FoB talented

[spiral abyss]

but if its 2T then its super high prio so youd click it asap

ya

[thick kelp]

Your cleave itself cant proc HS

so you rely on MS / op to proc it

[clever crag]

Am I seeing right ? Arms on top on one boss ?!?

[latent moss]

y

the boss where u do sustained cleave

[steep osprey]

At least a warrior spec is top on one boss

[latent moss]

walli is topping meters

[steep osprey]

Don't think that has been the case since S1 TWW

[spiral abyss]

is there situations where instead of using all 4 free cleaves back to back youd mix in your other abilities as to keep the cooldowns rolling

actually nvm since cleave is the highest prio bbut in 2T that point would stand for only MS i assume

[balmy kindle]

So are we alive?

[clever crag]

For one boss yea

[gleaming imp]

For one boss you can have fun

Thank you blizzard

[thin quail]

Do you press slam over execute if no sudden death?

[crisp mesa]

Just change execute into decapitate aoe cone and make all hits do cone aoe (we are swinging big weapon anyways)

[thin quail]

what do you mean exactly? sorry im new to arms

[sharp goblet]

it was a joke because execute isn't the best

[glass compass]

So execute will ~always do more damage than a slam, but execute can cost 20-40 rage whereas slam costs 20 rage

[steep osprey]

I think they should make execute just cost 30 rage and get rid of all this extra rage bullshit

[latent moss]

just make it 20

then they can tune rage

[glass compass]

it's deffo more coggy load yeah

[steep osprey]

[old glacier]

What boss is that?

[steep osprey]

The paladins, I think

[latent moss]

vanguard

[steep osprey]

That's the paladins, right

[gleaming imp]

3 target boss

[latent moss]

ye

colossus is insane

on that fight

[old glacier]

Ah

[steep osprey]

all due to cleave I guess

[old glacier]

Right

[gleaming imp]

And sweeping does more dmg on secondary

[steep osprey]

Isn't MM better than Arms on that fight

[glass compass]

your cleave gets buffed on exactly 3-5 targets yeah

[latent moss]

yes

[steep osprey]

I would be in favor of nerfing Cleave and buffing Demolish

Not too much

They should nerf MM so arms is #1 on that fight ngl

[gleaming imp]

Arms should be #1 on any ST

[steep osprey]

Based

[gentle gyro]

[gleaming imp]

Demolish buff 50%

[gritty karma]

Arms should have dogshit st and extreme good execute

So after 5min fight

U can be top3

[novel jackal]

execute-execute-MS was peak legion rotation post 20%

[glass compass]

Liquid brought 5 hunters lol

Probably because they didn’t have a 6th one geared enough

[steep osprey]

I don't know why they didn't nerf hunters more but then again even if they did they probably would have brought 5 of the 2nd best

🤷‍♂️

[placid river]

if i have a 6/6 hero wep, should i craft a myth wep, or make waist/cape, i don't mythic raid, just heroic and m+

[heady merlin]

seems pretty reasonable so craft a weapon then

[clever crag]

Uldir Arms was peak

Execute execute MS to the max

[flat willow]

didn't they destroy that

like 2 weeks into uldir

[heavy heron]

Even if you craft myth weap and get one in the vault next reset, you get the crest economy having a 285 weapon already, so you don't lose much!

[subtle plover]

whats the dmg diff with and without skyfury?

anyone know an approx %

[sharp goblet]

q: do you switch off crafted at some point or is the embelish worth the few ilvls of difference?

[rare kite]

14%(I am pulling this out of my ass)

[sharp goblet]

could have just looked it up...

[clever crag]

Cuz it was pretty broken lol

Arms always has these peaks and then is trash

I dont remember fury being that good except in Antorus and NH

[latent moss]

s1 tww

got shot pretty quickly tho

[icy mulch]

Yeah, and fury is still paying the cost for it.

[clever crag]

Fury is allowed max to A tier by Blizzard

[slow saddle]

Arms should beat fury y

[gleaming imp]

Arms should have 4 arms

[slow saddle]

Atm more like arm atm

[tacit crow]

Better than earlier this season when we were legs

[torn rivet]

so lads how's arms in M+

scuffed or nah?

[slow saddle]

Its scuffed 2 play

Good nunbers thpugh

Though

Apart if u meet a boss

[torn rivet]

i mean on single target

scuffed or nah

[slow saddle]

Its meh

[vapid pine]

Is it an Arms angle on Salhadaar do we think? Might be solid 2t fight, but unsure how Arms compares on 2t to Fury with the wonky balancing this tier

[astral yarrow]

if you mean heroic, its basically a ST fight. If you are about the mythic life, its hard to compete with fury that just eats all the adds as they amass

[slow saddle]

Havent seen mythic y

[astral yarrow]

all the orbs killed, respawn as smaller ones

on basically a 45s-1min timer

guess what spec likes that

[vapid pine]

By gawd it's thane with a steel chair

[kindred breach]

how can gaze of the alnseer sim as a dps loss?

for me it's showing a dps loss compared to solarflare prism and crucible of erratic energies

[astral yarrow]

set your sim to use "latest"

[kindred breach]

oh man I didn't think about that, sorry

[umbral badger]

so how are you all doing

what's the feedback so far in the m+ world

for me it's great overall but i am getting smashed by tank druids "sometimes" on ST when they push 50k-60k ST 😄

[old glacier]

I'm finding it difficult to not overcap on rage sometimes.

[umbral badger]

overcap ?

as colossus in m+ ?

if you are overcapping you might using too many Overpowers in between cleaves maybe ?

might be *

[old glacier]

Might be.

[umbral badger]

i found the rotation to feel like "cleave mortal OP, cleave mortal OP"

sometimes

[old glacier]

I feel it on bosses when we pop lust from time to time.

[umbral badger]

ofc there is variations ot the rotation but you know what i mean

[old glacier]

Yeah

[umbral badger]

hmm, on ST we should not be having extra rage so could be not enough slams.

but i can see it happening

what's your ST like ?

[dusk kayak]

if you have shammy i could see there being a lot of rage

[old glacier]

Just need to watch out for it I guess. My ST feels fine?

Yeah always have a shaman.

[dusk kayak]

without shammy st rage can be rough

[umbral badger]

hmm i did not get al ot of experience with shamans

i only saw one ele shaman and he did like 35k overall

[old glacier]

It's really just at the start. Okay I might be pressing overpower too much.

[umbral badger]

like he was not even there

[old glacier]

Ele has been blasting in my runs.

[umbral badger]

i mean you wanna press op for sure but not out of order so that you don't get a huge gap in teh rotation ofc

yea that ele wsa probably bad

[kindred breach]

it's showing up as an even bigger dps loss now in colo ST

oh man

[umbral badger]

we are doing 130k and 160k overall and he was the first guy i saw at under 50k

[umbral badger]

what's your crit chance

sometimes it's about the stats you are lacking

[kindred breach]

18% unbuffed

[umbral badger]

oh god

[candid pecan]

+11 Magisters Terrace

[umbral badger]

yea that's why

[kindred breach]

i cry

[old glacier]

Damn

[kindred breach]

how much crit should i aim for?

[olive nest]

400%

[old glacier]

I should be enchanting/flasking crit right?

[kindred breach]

🙁

[umbral badger]

i mean my crit is more than needed but i am like at 35%

[old glacier]

Ah wait ill just sim it.

[umbral badger]

lol

[umbral badger]

nice that's more like it, how is your ST over all ? is it 45k-60 on pure ST fights "depends on procs and what's available ofc"

[olive nest]

Ive been getting around 40-45k ST

in my fury gear

[candid pecan]

if you start boss with 3-4 stacks of apex/Avatar and get HS procs in the first 10 seconds its pretty okay. (and battlelord stacks)

[candid pecan]

60k+ ST

[jovial hare]

schrodïnger's opener

[candid pecan]

last boss dps (ST)

[umbral badger]

i didn't try with my new weapon so i am hoping i'd be there now

you crafted hte weapon ?

i crafted the weapon and went to sleep

[candid pecan]

yes 285 weap

[olive nest]

guy pumps my ST is balls

[jovial hare]

what's it feel like if u basically open on a boss dry

[olive nest]

rage starved 90% of the time lmao

[jovial hare]

rip

[candid pecan]

pretty bad...

[jovial hare]

oof

[umbral badger]

nice gives me hope

[umbral badger]

yea he is sick, problem is other classes are still doing crazy more dps if you have the right ppl. we need more love from blizzard to fix the ST

[jovial hare]

rn im leveling my unhdk but ive been talking with some friends who are already pushing higher keys
and they say they still feel anemic outside of CDs
not sure if I like that

massive swings in dmg just feel kinda ass when ur not cranking god's cooldowns

[tawdry bear]

With the 10% nerf to cleave, is it still worth it to press cleave over slam in single target?

[umbral badger]

you are hoping to have 10 demo stacks every time you open on a boss, when it does not happen it feels much eaker.

[olive nest]

yeah like i try to play the hs > ms > SD > op > cleave prio

but im always out of rage, on ST

[sudden owl]

Is there an up to date arms video guide out there?

[jovial hare]

arms' history is just a circle

stg

[umbral badger]

i was doing m+ with a very good UH dk yesterday "guildy" and at least ST and overall dps he is competing with any one else, it's fine ot have downtime sometimes on packs imo

[umbral badger]

yes, but you can also take into account not wasting ravager at the end of a boss's life if you know there is big adds pack coming up right after

[jovial hare]

id personally like dmg profiles to be more leveled out across the board but that's just kinda not how the classes i like to play are designed these days
just a small pet peeve of my I guess

ill just have to get over it

[old glacier]

I know we use ravager but I really really like pressing bladestorm.😭

[umbral badger]

just but some classes are pumping, like when i and hte mage in my group open up with 500k dps bursts the dk is just not gonna end up doing anything at that group

but then next grp he does a lot

so it's not all bad

if anything it feels better to have higher dps on the next group

[flat willow]

personally I love army of the dead doing 5000 gazzilion damage

[jovial hare]

graveyard and necro spike also kinda fuck

so there is that

[umbral badger]

right now there is crazy imbalance in AOE burst classes vs AOE sustained classes basically @jovial hare and so someitmes one end up ruiningit for hte other in a weird way

so maybe in much higher keys it will change ? dunno

[astral yarrow]

people often refrain from videos cause they are outdated with a single patchnote on a random sunday

[fervent cedar]

Arms in keys

[tropic crest]

@smoky kayak mate, a quick question. In the Colossus AoE APL there is
line 214: colossus_aoe->add_action("slam");
line 215: colossus_aoe->add_action("execute");
How would that execute ever be used if it comes after slam?

[sudden owl]

That's fair I just learn better from observation and verbal reasoning rather than just a priority list which is what most guides are these days

[cosmic halo]

With the future changes, arm will be ok for pushing m+ ?

[steep osprey]

MAybe not like high end M+ but yeah it hsould be fine

[nova marsh]

Alright

early morning keys kinda suck

[steep osprey]

True

[gentle gyro]

Least popular m+ spec in the entire game, who knew?

[vapid spire]

What changes ?

[minor gust]

It's already fine right now

[silk lake]

I love arms for one reason.

It's got such few hits but they all are impactful. Has good oomph

Not sure if I'm making sense it just feels good.

If only we had the numbers to back it up

[smoky kayak]

Arms does very good sustained MT damage in M+, it's just the ST is down

[candid pecan]

the aoe dmg/selfheal from deepwounds is nice but in 12.0.5 only demolish will apply it in aoe...

why tho?

[smoky kayak]

idk, maybe they heard us complaining about Arms having too many multitarget talents and decided to change that one instead of all the other annoying shit that's apparently too important to them to remove

like Ravager, Crushing Combo, Mass Execution, Overpowering Finish, Collateral Damage...

[steep osprey]

Ravager should be removed asap

[candid pecan]

well atleast slam/HS crits applying DW will be nice. Which means better St and better funnel through fervor

[umbral badger]

yea at this point i jus twant them to remove all teh sweeping strikes stuff "collateral is fine and deserves to be a talent"

and just make sweeping strike better naturally

18 stacks is good enough for me with sweeping

[candid pecan]

hmm, I play with the 100% two target talent, 12 stacks is enough from WB/Sweep in m+

[umbral badger]

yes yes but if they removed the sweeping WB thing

you'd need more htan 12

and i rather they do that

so i can get more ST taletns in

[smoky kayak]

Collateral is passive and boring now, I don't mind it, but it's also far from necessary anymore

[candid pecan]

hmmm, remove ravager, make CS hit 250% harder

which has been mentioned here before

[smoky kayak]

that was my talent suggestion - you have to replace Ravager with something, so a talent that just makes CS hit much harder feels very thematic to Colossus to me

[umbral badger]

it is less interesting than before for sure, but yea i mean it gives me brain damage that i can't get this for example

like seriously

[smoky kayak]

that's just because of stupid pathing

[umbral badger]

yup

THE ONE INTERESTING talent

for both aoe and ST

we can't get

LoL

[smoky kayak]

locking that behind Overpowering Finish, after continually nerfing OP, and the Slam talents, which are worthless in 80% of content

tbf Martial Prowess isn't really useful in AoE

there's a reason we don't go out of our way for it

[umbral badger]

i mean we we are doing too many cleaves in a raw with this new design

[smoky kayak]

Cleave triggers it via FoB

[umbral badger]

but after the 4 initial cleaves it will add "small" gain i guess

oh it does ?

[smoky kayak]

ofc it does

but it buffs Mortal Strike, a single target button that isn't going to contribute much in AoE settings

[umbral badger]

i mean cuz FoB does not trigger Heroic strike i just did assume as much

[smoky kayak]

FoB does trigger Heroic Strike

[umbral badger]

it consumes it

but not triggers it

[smoky kayak]

correct, it casts the ability

[umbral badger]

at leas from my experience

yea yea

[smoky kayak]

and Martial Prowess requires casting the ability

[jovial hare]

wasn't this basically baseline with how pathing was prior

I'm not insane right

[umbral badger]

that being said, 5% dmg from FoB mratial prowes combo would be nice

ahh

[smoky kayak]

yes, the old version was at the top of the tree

[steep osprey]

That's so dumb, why not just code it to work both ways

[smoky kayak]

it's 5% to Mortal Strike though, and MS will simply never make up much of your damage in an AoE setting

again, it's not an AoE talent

[jovial hare]

okay I thought I was getting dementia

[smoky kayak]

what

I swear to god half of you can't read lol

[umbral badger]

OH believe it or not i just realized it does not give cleave dmg now

LoL

[smoky kayak]

FoB does trigger Martial Prowess

[umbral badger]

i mean

[umbral badger]

this is what happens when you never take hte talent

[smoky kayak]

it buffs Mortal Strike

Mortal Strike doesn't do shit in AoE