arms

[dire hinge]

it's a bit noisy at the moment while people are figuring out the "optimial" timings, but it's a visual timeline of the top ~50 logs for a fight, broken down into when they cast their major CDs

can filter to see things like defensive usage, pot, various CDs

a little easier to see the two variations when you look at the first boss actually, here:

it's nice

[nova marsh]

Guys

8 and 9 keys always suck huh

[sharp goblet]

huh, is there anything similar to this for M+? visualization wise, I know I can dig through logs on warcraftlogs

[jaunty drift]

Suck? Nah they are cake

[nova marsh]

Yeah sure but pugs are fucking ass in this key level

Like worse then usual

Dude I did shroud skip on my rogue for the end of academy

[jaunty drift]

Good thing I ain’t puggin

lol

[nova marsh]

The dumbass mage body pulled it

[jaunty drift]

Guy can prolly identify windows by the taste

Impressive levels of retardium

[nova marsh]

Like there was no true sight

Should've been a straight shot to get the last two mobs but nope

No +2 for me

[blazing elm]

Is crucible of erratic energies a strong trinket? Bloodmallet has no info on it

[bleak fog]

Can you change so you target pops out more with the ingame healthbar?

I know it's not optimal but I wanna get it to work somewhat 😄

[minor gust]

Keys are free af

[pulsar frost]

8s are so free

9 is pretty free unless your group is mental

[rose ibex]

Everything is easy

[slow saddle]

did a 10 nexus timed with 2 whipes 1 being at a boss with a LONG ass walk

only key so far i feel has been unforgiving = aa

esp last boss

[minor gust]

Was 2-3 chesting 10s all yesterday. Shits very easy with how geared we arr

[slow saddle]

was mean man

[elder path]

Yea I was able to 2 chest an 11 NPX with ease and would have been able to time the 12 we bricked but we missed a crucial cast and wiped

[slow saddle]

Y nexus seems very very forgiving

[vapid spire]

Did they forgot to add back the /abandon feature ?

[pulsar frost]

its there

[worldly rivet]

I've found the most annoying part of some dungeons being the way points. The terrace one on final boss is hilarious for classes without mobility.

[cobalt lodge]

been playing around with colo a bit now and man, gotta say, single target is absolute butt cheeks. its so bad

and no BS just feels so weird

[nova marsh]

Yeah

If your party has braincells

Pugs dont

[slow saddle]

I mean bs feels meh anyways

But tank esque st is tough

[vapid spire]

What do you type for it ? /abandon ?

[pulsar frost]

not sure the actual commend as i never done it, but you can still right click and vote to abandon on your protrait

[vapid spire]

Yeah its not there anymore

[pulsar frost]

should be there, as i did it yesterday

since pugs are dodo

[cobalt lodge]

yes i really enjoy slayer but apparently its both really bad in higher keys now and getting gutted in 12.0.5

so idk if its even worth to invest time into

[pulsar frost]

slayers dead in .0.5

[slow saddle]

I play fury atm

[pulsar frost]

let it pass

[slow saddle]

I wanna play arms but its a hassle when fury atm is better at every content

[cobalt lodge]

only thing ive been thinking of is just getting my keystone rank that i want pre 12.0.5 and drop it for an alt once 0.5. hits

but frost mages cried enough about losing 2nd ray of frost, surely theyll revert some of these changes?

[slow saddle]

Lel

[cobalt lodge]

makes me lose all remaining motivation to play arms ngl

they just going the wod demo route

[shy oyster]

Slayer's not lookin' good aye. I love playing Colossus even as Prot tho so it's not as feelsbad...

[minor gust]

Or is it

[cobalt lodge]

slayer's apparently so bad that it's a grief to play it around +10. its just legit garbage

[minor gust]

Guarantee I can shit out so much more dmg than thane right now and barely be behind in ST

Cleave go brrr

[cobalt lodge]

only for it to get nerfed into nothingness with 0.5 lol

[rose ibex]

Maybe people dont have enough haste and aren't getting enough procs to make slayer more consistent for higher keys

[cobalt lodge]

i think at this point its about both performance and it feeling like doodoo

[shy oyster]

I've never really played Slayer in anything but that one time I struggled with the delve boss in season 2 of TWW...

so uh... i'll stay out of this wheelhouse rofl.

Even trying it now for serviceable ST during pure ST fights is new to me

[cobalt lodge]

its better than colo for pure st, and that is about it. and its more fun to play

[shy oyster]

That's what I hear yeah. I dont mind switching between both tbh. And i've long ago accepted I shouldn't play Arms for meta plays

I just love the power of BONK

or uhm... spin2win ig as slayer

[regal prism]

How does everyone know Slayer is getting gutted next patch?

[cobalt lodge]

reap the storm gets obliterated in 0.5

triggers less frequently from cleave and no longer from SD exes

[shy oyster]

RTS gets triggered less and no more procs from executes...

No fricking idea -why-, but what the hell.

[valid walrus]

They really reeeeeeally hate arms

[cobalt lodge]

very likely arms will go back to only dps in c tier with 0.5

even shadow only lasted under a week in there

[valid walrus]

And I don't get why, arms wasn't meta or giga broken for xpacs long ago

[cobalt lodge]

arms just needs a massive, enormous rework

survival hunter levels of rework

[regal prism]

Arms was really good at the end BFA before they revamped mastery. #1 damage was the bleed dot on meters 🙂

Let me take you to back to the past 🙂

[rancid robin]

Yooo arms is pumping sooo hard in M+ wtf

[minor gust]

Always has

[pine wyvern]

Quick Question:
Do we legit want 27 Flat Armor instead of 115 Stamina on our Legs? Sounds weird, am I missing something? O.o

[shy oyster]

That doesn't sound right...

[minor gust]

You make the choice

[brisk briar]

More armour is more strength through talent choice iirc

[minor gust]

Do you want a very minimal str gain or more hp

[pine wyvern]

Blood Knights and Forest Hunter both give 41 Mainstat, only Dif is 27 Flat Armor on BK and 115 Stam on FH

[minor gust]

(if you don't take stam something is wrong with you)

[pine wyvern]

Okay, I'm not alone at least xD

[minor gust]

More armor is just more dmg that all

[pine wyvern]

But 27 Flat Armor, how miniscule is that Dmg Gain in Comp to 115 Stam? 😄

[split ocean]

With the arms buff (lol) is the max roll guide still pretty relevant for best single target cleave and aoe builds/rotaion? https://maxroll.gg/wow/class-guides/arms-warrior-raid-guide

[minor gust]

Very very minimal. That's why you really should just take stam.

[slow saddle]

Fuck that

[minor gust]

Same concept with the Crit gem vs move speed gem in TWW

[slow saddle]

Armor it is

[cobalt lodge]

kek?

[minor gust]

If you took Crit gem vs Move speed you might be a bit of a silly goose

[cobalt lodge]

must be playing with some bad dps

[slow saddle]

I mean st is weak

Aoe is good so pretty accurate id say?

Arms still sims below 100k and uhdk sims 130

[cobalt lodge]

arms is still both rage starved and suffers from big buttons hitting like wet noodles

[slow saddle]

I mean collosus played well does great aoe

[minor gust]

Meh not really no

The buffs add up

[slow saddle]

Cleave fucks

[minor gust]

Tbh Colo > thane

[slow saddle]

I mean overall id disageee

The st is just a lot better

[minor gust]

Not really

Did both fury and arms keys yesterday.

Colo claps just like it did in TWW

Meh ST pumper aoe

[shy oyster]

Yeah, just twiddle your fingers when its just ST

do your best sure, but accept you wont do much and its NOT your fault

[minor gust]

I was keeping up in ST just fine

Fell a lil bit behind against good ST specs, but Colo super garbage ST propaganda is over

It's meh ST now

[gaunt owl]

not sure the buff even changed anything anyway

[rose ibex]

My frost mage friend doubles my dps in single target but he does have 4pc

[slow saddle]

Do u have 4p?

[rose ibex]

No

I don't even have 1pc

Im 253 ilvl

[slow saddle]

I mean col 4p vs uh dk

[rose ibex]

My stats are decent but there's a few items I could replace. Trinkets are the crit one from skyreach and the haste one from windrunner

[shy oyster]

M'yeah, same feeling too - but only started evening of reset. Gonna see myself for raid tonight. But HONESTLY... don't really give a fuck if my ST is meh 😂 too tired to rebel anymore.

[lime ruin]

WW monk Zenith design wise is just better than colossus smash. It works the way arms warrior CD should work

[rose ibex]

Ive been playing slayer in keys and it seems to be fine

[minor gust]

Raid is different I'm talking about keys

[shy oyster]

Oh. Thought both 😂

[rose ibex]

Like even though my buddy doubles my dps on bosses, I feel like i can put my burst out more frequently than everyone so my damage is not bad at all

So overall dungeon damage is pretty good.

My outlaw rogue friend was doing about the same damage and his gear is definitely better. Frost mage was still beating me but he's a 4pc frost mage with insane gear so im not really concerned about that

[shy oyster]

Frost mage is also pretty good all round

Dont bother comparison 😂

[minor gust]

Whatever your opinion is right now won't matter till you get 4set

Don't bother comparing

[rose ibex]

Thats kinda my point. If I had 4pc i think my damage would be as good for dungeon

[cobalt lodge]

ok now do colo single target on bosses

and watch your healer outdps you

[rose ibex]

He wasnt much ahead. Im happy with slayer

[minor gust]

Outdated propaganda

[slow saddle]

As he saids.its meh

Not horrid

[minor gust]

[rose ibex]

Like frost mage is putting out 120k dps and im like 60k but hes only like 15% ahead on overall dungeon damage so I must be doing something right

[cobalt lodge]

it plays like garbage as well. looking at the meters and the majority of your breakdown is just cleave. reduced to a 1 button class lol. we're playing 2005 frost mage over here

[slow saddle]

Tbf arms st could in gen use another 10% buff

[rose ibex]

Most of my damage is reap the storm whatchu talking about

Schwing schwing schwing

Spin spin spin

[minor gust]

As long as it also gets another cleave nerf

[slow saddle]

Probably

[rose ibex]

Perhaps our single target being bad can be fixed with talents

[slow saddle]

I mean 10% aura buff 10% nerf cleave

[rose ibex]

New talents and tweaked talents

Dungeon damage is fine

[shy oyster]

I'll take more cleave nerf for more ST

[slow saddle]

I mean our st is shit in raid

[rose ibex]

Its awful

Teeeeerrible

[cobalt lodge]

arms could get a 20+% aura buff and would be middle of the pack at best

[slow saddle]

Nah dam

That would be

118k ish

[rose ibex]

If we got 20% aura buff we would be kings of m+

[slow saddle]

Top mid

🤣

[minor gust]

Ignore him he's using talking points from 3 weeks ago

[slow saddle]

I mean st wise

20% st more still is not insane

[rose ibex]

Dude is straight drinking and spitting from youtube propaganda

[slow saddle]

97k now another 19k

116k st puts us where

[minor gust]

But def not blizzards goal. They don't tune bottom classes to become middle or top. They just bring things closer in line

[rose ibex]

Not that I am against youtube still saying we need help. More buffs always welcome

[slow saddle]

Y so another 10% only st

[minor gust]

Would be good yeah

Then Colo def is much better than fury in keys

Wouldn't even be close.

[rose ibex]

Blizzard will be able to tune better once race is over

The best we can hope for is a swift race

[minor gust]

There's tuning scheduled next week

And doubt race will go longer than a week

[rose ibex]

Im thinking about trying colossus for dragon fight just to cheese the meter as much as I can with demolish

[lyric lagoon]

Guys i'm seeing so many different talent builds being run in m+ , is there an updated talent build in the making or?

[minor gust]

Colo build on wowhead

[rose ibex]

Or maybe I just ignore adds and just full send always nonstop on slayer

[lyric lagoon]

my issue with it I do SHIT dmg single target its not even funny xD

[slow saddle]

Do u have 4p

[lyric lagoon]

yes

[slow saddle]

U shouldnt do shit st then

[lyric lagoon]

its me then

[minor gust]

Yeah sounds like a you problem

Hit up the priority guide and get practicing

And press cleave

[slow saddle]

In st?

[fervent cedar]

YouTube and others completely gaslit me, I had leveled a new character and got it geared and everything then saw how arms was doing in M+

[minor gust]

During ravager and execute yes

[rose ibex]

Nobody believed me but after the first 15% aura buff arms was crushing dungeons

Single target still crap but if you tank bunches things well you can do really good numbers

[minor gust]

M0s aren't good dats

[rose ibex]

True

But I definitely dont feel weak so far

Only did 7s last night tho

[fervent cedar]

I was still thinking pre 15% aura buff tbh

[rose ibex]

Oh I was doing less damage than the guardian druid

[fervent cedar]

I did a +9 last night and did like 105k overall, 2pc shit trinkets no myth weapon

[rose ibex]

But things could never stay that bad. Things are going to change even more

Game goes forward

[fervent cedar]

But of course monk buff and Shaman so that definitely helped significantly

[rose ibex]

Best raid advice is to make good friends who dont give a shit about what you play

[fervent cedar]

See i get that

[cobalt lodge]

at least in 2-3 weeks it doesnt matter what you play during farm

[fervent cedar]

But at the same time it feels a bit disrespectful to them to go out of my way to play something that underperforms
I want to pull my weight

[rose ibex]

Also, this expansion is easy in dungeon and raid outside the dragon fight where 1 mistake wipes everyone

[rose ibex]

I totally get that, but you are the one who must make that call. I switched to fury on dragon fight becuase I felt I needed more damage

If other people are forcing it then they frankly suck

[shy oyster]

You are pulling your weight as Arms though. Anyone who judges Arms for their ST right now are high on paracetamol.

[rose ibex]

We crush paladins

We have our moment to shine

[fervent cedar]

Yes arms on paladins was amazing

[rose ibex]

And we aren't blatantly busted like mm

Mm did sooooo overbearingly well that they got slapped hard in the jaw for it

[shy oyster]

You'd have to be a really delusional and insane and sniffing on Streamer ass to ignore how much Arms contributes to M+ and cleave/add fights

[rose ibex]

I love this spec because it feels like something old with a few modernized ribbons and whistles taped on

[fervent cedar]

Add damage is definitely important but it does feel a bit paddy no?

Depending on the fight ofc

[rose ibex]

Thats the raid

Its all padding

And lemme tell you I think im going to just not bother with it anymore when frost mages can delete adds in a blink from range

[fervent cedar]

Fr lol

[rose ibex]

My bladestorm does shit all for the adds

And if you cleave combo they are all dead by the 2nd cleave

[minor gust]

Welcome to week 2 when you already out gear heroic

[rose ibex]

People are INSANELY well geared

[minor gust]

You ain't gonna pad on shit till you get to mythic

[fervent cedar]

I was playing slayer fury on dragons and being like "im gonna bladestorm the adds" and i mistime my cd and they all evaporate anyways without any input from me

[minor gust]

I did 120k on dragons this week

It ain't ever happening again

[nova marsh]

Bro

I'm gonna go jump off a bridge

[normal cape]

Hey skyhold warriors 🙂 I will be going for arms warr this season no matter what everyone says. Is there any one trick or frequent uploader who makes some reliable content on youtube for arms solely?

[rose ibex]

The most important thing (for a group worthy of your time) is that you do the mechanics, use your defensives, and the boss dies. Everyone is there for loot. Warrior blasphemy i know, but sometimes there are more important things than number go up especially this early

[shy oyster]

Archi's guides in #dps-faq is pretty decent.

Or well, the only source i've found that isn't some youtuber shouting in my ear as for 20 minutes of why Fury is better before they finally get onto Arms :eyeroll:

[minor gust]

There ain't no arms content creators just fury players when they are forced to play arms

[rose ibex]

There is a good rotation guide for arms on youtube by Mad ox

[minor gust]

Used to be Critcake for the longest time but he hates arms these days

[shy oyster]

QwQ

[rose ibex]

But he pretty much just goes over archi's guide

[normal cape]

I mean, I have read up on the guides. But I'd like to watch someone play arms in keys/raids aswell too

I will look into it thanks ❤️

[shy oyster]

Yeah, Archi's guides pretty good. As for any streams and vids, I've none to offer sadly

[rose ibex]

Its rare. Arms was really bad on release. Just trust that its aoe is at least really good right now

It performs well in keys

[normal cape]

I dont really care about the 'tier list meta' I want to hit something with my big sword

[modern cove]

but he's pushing arms right now

[rose ibex]

Changes have been so frequent no one can keep up with it anyways

[old glacier]

Well, at least I have defensive abilities as arms...

[rose ibex]

Real

[normal cape]

Yeah exactly no fotm for me. Just enjoying the vibe and crits

[minor gust]

Doesn't mean he doesn't hate it. And it was mostly in reference to one tricks

[normal cape]

Love you all have a great evening

[rose ibex]

I was actually enjoying fury slayer but man having no defensives sucks

[minor gust]

Critcake was an arms one trick for many many years

[slow saddle]

Slayer arms as well🤣

[wild lion]

Keep the arms dream alive

[old glacier]

Raid/group lead: "Pop defensives here." Me: "Eeeeeh"

[naive crescent]

oh shit hes playing slayer

[minor gust]

Oh no

Poor Critcake incoming is slayer better than Colo questions @daring heron

[languid torrent]

who needs to play fury

💪

[soft dew]

Any of you got the recrafting issue?

[wild lion]

Dont know how it works so no

[cobalt lodge]

chadge

[proud remnant]

someone share his arms build please

slayer

[fresh spire]

the true face of the 14 hour grind

[dire hinge]

no, because key timelines are all over the place.

and pull sizes are too varied

it's also why reviewing M+ Logs is a nightmare

[rose ibex]

Bah he went back to fury

[shy oyster]

Damn.

[rancid robin]

Not bad 😄

[shut token]

does it seem right that I rarely have to press slam in ST except for when heroic strike procs?

[rancid robin]

y u press it if everything is down xd

[shy oyster]

jeh, its ur lil' rage spender

[gusty oxide]

That's uh...nice?

( new 12.0.5 ptr note)

[topaz python]

saved?

[unborn canyon]

It's better, but also bad

[river ridge]

We did it!

Thats way better

[unborn canyon]

Like, still means reap is only aoe

[river ridge]

We keep the Reap on AoE for Sudden Death

They get to remove the single target aspect of it

[topaz python]

it wouldn't matter in aoe, you pretty much always have SS

but ST gonna suffer

[unborn canyon]

Yeah, but having a bunch of your hero talents not do anything in ST sucks

[tacit crystal]

source?

[topaz python]

PTR notes

12.0.5

[unborn coral]

Can't wait to hit 3 or more targets with cleave via improved whirlwind

[rose ibex]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-12-0-5-ptr-development-notes-for-march-25th-class-changes-and-dracthyr-380971

Dude

Maybe reap not totally dead in future now

Just need sweeping strikes up

[eternal edge]

man

i like it tbh

[slender sonnet]

Imo they should buff arms

[unborn canyon]

I think they could have just kept it at having 100% proc at all times from SD

[eternal edge]

@minor gust it's not so bad how they did it actually

[unborn canyon]

So reap still does something in ST

[eternal edge]

especially when you have SS like everytime

[warm fog]

Reap now purely aoe

[rose ibex]

Still scuffed for single target tho

[hushed pine]

No, that's still bad

Arguably worse

[river ridge]

Well blizzard wanted to unpair Reap procs in Single Target

[hushed pine]

It's like WoD again, having to have an add next to boss to maximize dps lmao

[river ridge]

If this is how we keep Sudden Death in AoE then I'll take it

[nova marsh]

yeah ST is fucked again

They just n eed

to make an ST reap

[hushed pine]

Let's keep crying about it, maybe they'll change it to something better lmao

[nova marsh]

The only way it becomes better is if we get a seperate proc like reap for just one target

[river ridge]

I don't think you're going to get any better

[nova marsh]

It still gives ST the bird for no reason

[eternal edge]

imo it's for the best at large cause they can now buff ST alone without being pranked by that proc

but we need a buff again

[warm fog]

The actual improvement is gonna just be buffs to ST attacks

[nova marsh]

Okay but still

How many hero trees have major talents like reap that have a couple tie in effects

just literally useless in ST

[warm fog]

If this paves the way for MS to truck

[river ridge]

Why does that matter?

Honest question no troll.

[nova marsh]

Because hero trees are designed with the hopeful idea that they can be used anywhere

[warm fog]

Are you asking how many specs have hero talents designed around aoe spells?

[eternal edge]

technically it can

[nova marsh]

No

as in

[eternal edge]

sorry but our spec works in ST, we're just undertuned

[nova marsh]

How many trees have something that have multiple hooks like reap does (overwhelmed, doesn't reap also increase bladestorm hits)

And are literally worthless in ST

[valid walrus]

So did they just fix back the sudden death reap the storm? Just weaker

[hushed pine]

Reap doesn't increase Bladestorm hits though

[minor gust]

I'll take it that works

[minor gust]

Not really weaker they are just changing things so reap isn't a ST thing anymore

It's purely for aoe

[unborn canyon]

So weaker

Cause it can't do it in ST

[minor gust]

If you compare it to what it is right now sure

[nova marsh]

Idk I just think it's silly

[fervent cedar]

Ok so reap is still giga dead in st

[minor gust]

But they will have to do retuning

[nova marsh]

To remove reap from ST

Sure you can tune it

[fervent cedar]

That fury change is really interesting though

[unborn canyon]

Yeah, they should keep it as it is now, I don't know who asked for it to be changed from the current version

[proud remnant]

reap shouldnt be a single target thing anyway. Doesnt make sense

[nova marsh]

Blizz changed it because apparently it's too hard to balance or smth

...

Well neither does bladestorm

but here we!

[proud remnant]

lol

[minor gust]

It's clear with these changes they don't want reap to be available in ST which will make tuning a bit easier for them

[proud remnant]

yeah big buffs coming to single target im sure

[nova marsh]

I mean arms is overdue for ST buffs anyways

[eternal edge]

this, thank you

[fervent cedar]

Yeah if this is what they needed to open the path for st buffs im all for it

[minor gust]

Blizzard met us in the middle and gave SD AOE again

Just only during SS

[nova marsh]

Blizz basically did what I thought they would

[hushed pine]

I won't believe you for now and I'll call it coping but if we do get buffs, feel free to call me a clown lmao

[rose ibex]

I hope it exceeds some more single target buffs or something or maybe they have some master plan to make us play colossus in single target

[minor gust]

This is stuff for next patch. You have to look at it like beta/ptr everything they change here will require retuning

Which they will do

[unborn canyon]

I just think it's weird, cause unless they suddenly push slayer to be better than Colossus in aoe, these changes mean just a ST nerf cause we rocking slayer in ST

[proud remnant]

they are pushing slayer aoe

they buffed bladestorm dmg by 20%

as well

in the next patch

[rose ibex]

Not even next patch

Isnt 12.05 set for may or something

[proud remnant]

ya

[hushed pine]

I get that, but if PTR history has taught me anything is that whenever it makes it to live, it gets retuned later instead of being retuned during "testing" phase after receiving feedback.

[rose ibex]

Waaaaay far off. Beyond when the dust settles from everyone getter tier sets

[eternal edge]

it's a 6% dmg loss in ST, so they obviously will buff our ST dmg

(around that)

[minor gust]

Sometimes that happens sometimes it doesn't it just how shit rolls

[rose ibex]

Tuning is always wild ride

You always gotta roll with it

[hushed pine]

https://tenor.com/view/tense-table-smash-mad-gif-13656077

[minor gust]

Still no point just like beta worrying about numbers till the patch is almost ready

[unborn canyon]

Bro, they didn't even tune us this season

[rose ibex]

Part of the fun is squeezing value where you can

[minor gust]

Whatever you think it's a nerf or a buff right now doesn't matter

[valid walrus]

Especially when they change how mechanics work

[rose ibex]

Everyone is a patch away from being "back" or "over"

Enh shammies got slaughtered in the recent hotfix for pvp

And some classes are just way harder to tune than others

[eternal edge]

it's a buff in multi, a nerf on ST
But it definitely will be easier to buff ST after that change imo

[valid walrus]

I just don't understand why they nerfed Arms so many times before only to have to buff us again

[eternal edge]

don't get me wrong i don't like it, but it's not so bad than it appears and it potentially makes sense

[slow saddle]

I mean buff vs what it was not what it is atm

[eternal edge]

VS actually it's probably a buff imo

[slow saddle]

Hmm how sl

Sd reaps now

And cleave reaps npw

And ms reaps

[rose ibex]

Perhaps they are planning around something they know about in the future

[slow saddle]

It cant rly be a buff

[rose ibex]

And are overcorrecting

[slow saddle]

I mean buff ms 30%.more

[eternal edge]

you'll have more procs if i read it correctly

[slow saddle]

No?

[eternal edge]

yup

[valid walrus]

I mean..
It was already clear that arms won't be top DPS and they still nerfed and nerfed and nerfed etc

[slow saddle]

How

[rose ibex]

Ngl the change above gives them more tuning precision for slayer. It lets them directly buff reap to buff slayer aoe without affect warrior single target on a whole

I think its a good change

[slow saddle]

Cleave has 15% now

Sd has 100%

How we get.more procs?🤣

[rose ibex]

Even top dps are never safe. Things always change and they will continue to change

[slow saddle]

Meh change

[eternal edge]

nevermind, i'm dumb reading english, same procs but only multi yeah

[slow saddle]

Ok😁

[eternal edge]

was not reading 2nd line correctly ma bad

[slow saddle]

Who cares 😁

For fury its nice thojhh

Moving power away from bt is good

[eternal edge]

so we'll have same procs or around but no procs in ST only

[steep osprey]

Ngl this is not a bad idea

[slow saddle]

Makes reap a dead talent though

In st

[minor gust]

They will very very very likely just buff slayers strike massively to compensate for reap loss in st

[eternal edge]

Bruh, we had that before in DF, come on

[steep osprey]

They can do many things, it's not like they're just gonna leave Slayer in the gutter

[rose ibex]

I hope so

Slayer strike procs are so fun

[minor gust]

Yee easiest answer tho

[slow saddle]

Passive hit with no skill

[fervent cedar]

The important thing is that they have a lot more freedom to make adjustments for single target

[slow saddle]

Or hear me out

[steep osprey]

Yeah this

this is not a bad change

[slow saddle]

Buff execute and ms

[steep osprey]

They have more freedom to add buffs to different things

[eternal edge]

it's a logical change even if we don't like it

[slow saddle]

I mean sd only

Works 2

[steep osprey]

Well, SD lack of AoE is the entire reason we didn't like the original change

This is fine since you can still use SD on AoE

[rose ibex]

Exactly. It looks lame on paper but it allows them to gave more accurate tuning which is one of arms' biggest issues from a designer perspective

[eternal edge]

and now they can buff ST on both specs (Colo and Slayer)

[steep osprey]

We should all praise @minor gust for making this happen

[rose ibex]

Its difficult to buff single target without affecting multi target even more and such

[steep osprey]

@minor gust Change your name btw lmao

[vapid spire]

Did they forgot to nerf bear

[steep osprey]

They did nerf bear twice

[shy oyster]

Welcome Slayer 12.0

[steep osprey]

20% + 20%

[slow saddle]

Wtf

[steep osprey]

They're still insane lol

[slow saddle]

Did the bear do

[shy oyster]

willing to bet its during their big bear + bear claw buff

[tight wing]

I want what that bear is on

[eternal edge]

whith that change, we can hope to have a buff in both heroic spec in ST in easy mode i guess

[steep osprey]

Cocaine

[rose ibex]

Supposedly one of bear's issues is that content is not difficult enough for them so they can just use all their rage on damage instead of defense which is partly why their numbers are stupid

[steep osprey]

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14209916/

[tight wing]

xD

[slow saddle]

I mean if u are tuned for 20s thats stupid

Well.mby 30s

[rose ibex]

Well, things arent always tested intelligently

[nova marsh]

I mean tanks in general feel absolutely disgusting rn in keys

[rose ibex]

Im just saying what I heard

Tanks should do damage

Tanks need to be fun

[nova marsh]

I mean I do agree but like

[rose ibex]

We need more tanks

[tawdry bear]

Well, there are like 200 new messages.
We are happy about keeping reap the storm on AoE right?

[nova marsh]

Do tanks need to be able to match dps

[steep osprey]

I think tanks should do damage but this is a little extreme

[tight wing]

So slayer still f’d in .5?

[steep osprey]

Yep

No

[slow saddle]

Tanks shouldnt do dps dmg

[nova marsh]

Yeah im a bit tired of tanks just being dos with defensives

[rose ibex]

Y'know, so long as it doesnt affect pvp I wouldn't be mad about it

[slow saddle]

I mean i wouød

[nova marsh]

I dont give a rats ass about pvp

[tawdry bear]

So is it yes, or is it no? XD the single target takes another nerf.

[rose ibex]

Like my opinion on that is starting to turn but I dont know why you would even bring dps if tanks could put out the same damage

[tawdry bear]

We are too stronk

[rose ibex]

So thats a different problem

[slow saddle]

Y well 12.05 is a not tuning, its design change

[tight wing]

Tanks should be doing about 65-75% of dps damage imo

[steep osprey]

No it isn't fucked

Because tuning is not part of these changes

they're mechanical changes

[slow saddle]

65 at bedt

2/3rds

[rose ibex]

I just want tanks to have fun because they got it hard enough as it is

[slow saddle]

I mean bigger pulls is fun as tank when u live em

[tight wing]

I only go to 75 because they do still need to keep threat

[nova marsh]

Meh

[steep osprey]

This change makes arms a lot stronger on 2 target cleave

[nova marsh]

Threat can be tuned

[steep osprey]

especially Slayer lol

[minor gust]

Why y'all complaining about a tank doing dmg during cds

Who gives a fuck

[steep osprey]

Change your name bozo

[slow saddle]

Unless we dont get buffed🤣

[steep osprey]

Very unlikely

[minor gust]

Also yes everyone in Skyhold should praise me

I singlehandedly saved slayer

Your welcome guys

[nova marsh]

Alright I'll get on my knees ty bro

[vapid spire]

Send feet pics first

[steep osprey]

[rose ibex]

Slayer must be protected

[nova marsh]

Wrong discors

[rose ibex]

Slayer must stay fun

[wind hatch]

nothing wrong here

[tight wing]

You sure? After we got ignored for 2 patches then given a 5% overall buff when we needed like 20?

[rose ibex]

Procs on procs on procs

Give slayer even more procs

[nova marsh]

Feet pics are for the weirdos in frost dkcord

[rose ibex]

Infinite procs

[steep osprey]

This affects both Fury and Arms

[rose ibex]

Procs for miles. Procs forever

[gaunt owl]

we arent being ignored its neglected like the middle child you know

[steep osprey]

I'm sure they're aware of the dps loss from getting rid of ST Reap

This is a very good way of fixing this issue

I didn't think they had it in them lol

[tight wing]

Yes this is a good way of fixing our already horrible single target dps, by removing ~13% of our single target dps

[slow saddle]

Ngl i kindda agree

Now fuckin buff ms and exe

[minor gust]

You think too small comeback in a month when we have a bigger picture

[eternal edge]

it's more 6-8% than 13% in ST

[steep osprey]

YOu need to relax lol

[nova marsh]

"Mortal strike and execute damage reduced by 15%"

[tight wing]

Fair, imma go level an evoker, so I have an alt for just in cases

[steep osprey]

They can better tune our ST and AoE independently with this change

[gaunt owl]

Blizzard just hate AOE ability that contribute to ST all the time

[nova marsh]

"Slam damage increased by 5,000%"

[steep osprey]

Well, it makes sense, makes it hard to tune

[eternal edge]

pretty sure we'll have a buff later, but i don't hope for a big one.

[tight wing]

I’ll relax when blizzard stops following me and nerfing w/e class I decide to main

[steep osprey]

Why is blizzard stalking you

[tight wing]

This has happened to me for 6 years now

Idk

[minor gust]

That's the life of a meta chaser

Own up to it

[eternal edge]

don't change your main wtv happens

[nova marsh]

No way

No meta chaser goes arms

Or warr in general

[eternal edge]

except fury players when it's better on some bosses

[tight wing]

I have always picked what I find fun, and try to pick something low or middle of the pack

[eternal edge]

[gentle frigate]

I want to play slayer when do I hit execute?

[tight wing]

Basically w/e SD procs

[gentle frigate]

Is there a good way to track that now that weakauras are gone?

[tight wing]

Blizzards built in CDM

it’s really quite useful

[gentle frigate]

So what hit it when it lights up?

[tight wing]

Yeah

[native obsidian]

lmao

[tight wing]

But in exe phase, you hit it twice before each MS

[minor gust]

Then chill out and stop worrying about numbers for a patch months away. First they do mechanical changes then they tune depending on the outcome of those changes. I get it there's PTSD from beta but relax

[rose ibex]

And vice versa, and that is basically arms warrior in a nutshell

[tight wing]

But I like dooming, it’s fun

But I don’t enjoy getting yelled at and kicked from groups because my dps is too low when I can’t do anything about it

[minor gust]

Fair enough

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

[minor gust]

Well that yeah you can just play better

[steep osprey]

imagine if SD triggers Slayer's Strike now

for a ST buff

[eternal edge]

more logical

[tight wing]

I can when my class allows it, but when my specs 100% is less than others 20-30% there’s not much I can do

[shy oyster]

Imagine if any and every Slayer Arms warrior triggers Slayer's Strike 🤤

[minor gust]

You parsing 100s everytime?

[rose ibex]

More procs the better

[tight wing]

I wish lol, no I’ve been around 70-80, that was just an example

[rose ibex]

Procs forever. Around the moon procs. 25/7 procs to infinity

[eternal edge]

still better than rogues

[rose ibex]

The outlaw rogue i play with beats me every time

[shy oyster]

We dont even bother animating a downtime phase on our characters. We just keep Slayer's Strike progging.

[flat willow]

wait i didn't know destro warlock was chill like that

[tight wing]

Same

[flat willow]

these fucking destro warlocks bitching lied to me

[rose ibex]

He has mained combat/outlaw since vanilla. He is god of outlaw rogue

[eternal edge]

and in 95 percentile we're def not so bad too

[flat willow]

never trust a spell caster

[tepid citrus]

Dear Blizzard. Just remove the rage cost from Rend. K Thanks.

[shy oyster]

Let me guess, Hellcaller Destro whiners

Diabolist Destro are the real chads

[flat willow]

I do not know enough about destro to know the difference

but i'm mad those bastards lied to me

[tight wing]

This is the way of warlocks, has been since classic lol

[rose ibex]

It ultimately doesnt matter. This raid rewards padding so much and only so many people can get a piece of that padding. Dps numbers are basically meaningless if the adds are being deleted

[eternal edge]

next week we'll be better in logs cause we just got the buff today

[shy oyster]

Yeah. I cant be arsed worrying about my DPS during raids.

If I do good, I go "huh, cool"

[rose ibex]

The only time dps matters is in pug raids so you don't get kicked

[shy oyster]

Just so long as i'm doing serviceable DPS

my real food comes from M+

🤤

[rose ibex]

And even then smart raid leads arent going to kick you for doing below average dps if bosses are dying

and even then, if you are the one dying over and over you probably are the one getting kicked

[tight wing]

Ig my biggest problem is that we HAVE good utility, but so so so many players don’t know about it, so they just see the low numbers and kick

[halcyon valve]

casually dps gapping my entire raid on vanguard, while being mid on all the other bosses

they better nerf arms soon

[tight wing]

I’d be fine with low numbers if people still valued CC/Utility

[rose ibex]

This whole season is kind of a joke. Everyone is super overgeared

[minor gust]

Then just focus on playing better than others. You can always do better

I out dmg most people I play with and find in pugs

[modern cove]

are this changes in reap the storm actually a buff?

[steep osprey]

They're a ST nerf

AoE barely changed

[rose ibex]

After analyzing logs I realized that the biggest reasons my damage is low (for arms) is because im too cheap to enchant my champ gear and use consumes for normal raid

[modern cove]

oh god

[steep osprey]

It's not intentionally a ST nerf. They made Reap only be able to proc on AoE so they can easily tune between ST and AoE

[rose ibex]

Consumes and enchants can give you an insane amount of primary stat and my poor ass just doesnt want to use it on champ gear

[steep osprey]

For example, a good way of fixing this issue is just buffing Slayer's Strike to bring up that loss

[rose ibex]

Also I need that heart trinket apparently

That thing is absolutely insane

[shy oyster]

Okay, so just had my first time doing Lightbringers/Council fight as Arms. I can see why. rofl.

[tight wing]

Which one?

[shy oyster]

that was delicious candy.

[rose ibex]

The one from second boss

All if not all the logs I analyzed had it

[minor gust]

You want both hearts till plume comes out

[rose ibex]

I have the wind heart

[steep osprey]

Bozo

[rose ibex]

And skyreach crit trinket

[eternal edge]

if ppl let 3 bosses together...

[steep osprey]

Can you link me the forum post

[shy oyster]

I wish. Now im at Crown boss and I already feel my serotonin coming off. 🙁

[steep osprey]

nvm I'll find it myself

[rose ibex]

I predict i will get 40k+ on pure single target next raid

I may actually log it just so I can compare pure boss damage as I plan to not play around adds

[minor gust]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/arms-warrior-feedback/2270878/69

[steep osprey]

4d ago lmao

[minor gust]

Yeah I gave up when we got ignored last week

[rose ibex]

66 replies now

[steep osprey]

"ignored"

They were just cooking

[eternal edge]

https://tenor.com/view/hawk-eye-dont-give-me-hope-clint-barton-avengers-gif-14260447

[minor gust]

If what they did today took 2 weeks to cook. Then they may need to go back to culinary school

[steep osprey]

I don't think that's how it works and you know it

[tight wing]

True lol

[steep osprey]

It takes a while for them to start cooking

[rose ibex]

Nothing will change significantly until race ends

[steep osprey]

They probably started a week ago or so

[minor gust]

No one but Blizz knows

They reverted the frost mage changes and ignored us

At least we got it so doesn't matter anymore

[rose ibex]

Usually the next week's patch is already complete when the current one releases

Things take time

[steep osprey]

Yeah that's true

[steep osprey]

It was very easy to just revert these changes though

They didn't want to revert our changes

[rose ibex]

I bet half their time is spent just making sure nothing breaks

[steep osprey]

they wanted to work more on them

they don't want ST Reap

[rose ibex]

Currently there are problems with loot and im sure thats their biggest priority atm

Freakin aug vokers and devastation dh getting screwed. 1 billion delve trinkets

[steep osprey]

It's a lot easier to revert frost changes than work on ours

[minor gust]

Yeah Ik were talking about different things rn

Doesn't matter

We got our SD AOE back

All that matters

[steep osprey]

Yeah

[steep osprey]

Don't think the same people work on those

[rose ibex]

I still think part of the awkwardness around arms tuning is because the kit is dated and lacks a focus in design and fantasy

[rose ibex]

But its impossible to know for sure

[steep osprey]

So writing a post on the forums actually works lol

Good to know

[minor gust]

If you get enough ppl to bitch about it

[rose ibex]

The recent changes at the very least reveal their design intent with the changes

[steep osprey]

I think this must have been the most popular warrior feedback post in ages lol

[rose ibex]

I am more comfortable with their tuning now

[jovial hare]

why is it so hard to just give us exactly what we asked for tho
instead we got this half compromise unless I just read the notes incorrectly

[minor gust]

Problem is there's like 5 warriors who post on forums constantly

[minor gust]

Only took me advertising it in here for a week

[rose ibex]

Arms got what they asked for. Cleave down, single target up

[jovial hare]

in reference to the PTR changes

[rose ibex]

They made a compromise

[jovial hare]

I like regular ass SD triggering reap

[rose ibex]

The ptr changes are smart

[steep osprey]

Too bad, it causes issues with ST vs AoE tuning

[rose ibex]

It allows them more separation between aoe and single target balance for slayer

With the change they can buff single target abilities without affecting our aoe now

[steep osprey]

You know what would be cool, if they buffed Unhinged

"dealing 100% of normal damage"

The numbers could be increased

[halcyon valve]

400%

[steep osprey]

I was thinking 150% lol

[rose ibex]

Bladestorm procs reap, slayer strike, and mortal strike 500 times every time it strikes

[halcyon valve]

Five. Hundred. Mortal strikes.

[shy oyster]

Let's move Arms from being the big hitter to be hitting faster than an outlaw rogue on speed

ATATATATATATATATATATA

swinging that massive hunk of weapon like it was a paper clip

[rose ibex]

Thing i love about slayer is that visually it looks really fast with all the procs but the rotation is still pretty chill

While not being totally boring

Frick. I wanted to play sv hunter really badly but the pruning way overdid it

[modest marlin]

SV has more abilities than some specs

My issues with SV are thematic between base spec and Sentinel

[river ridge]

Isn't pack leader like the only hero spec you're supposed to play on SV right now?

[marble kayak]

I've heard enough. Nerf warrior.

[river ridge]

True and Real

[modest marlin]

no? Well I don't know if Sentinel bug has been fully fixed or not

[marble kayak]

Not a bug. They would have fixed it after three weeks if so.

Like a weird grey area where it follows all of the games rules but wasn't necessarily intended.

[thick hamlet]

is this normal?

it's not the recommended, but sims highest

[modest marlin]

enchants are a sim angle always

guides are what works best in BiS gear is my general assumption

[thick hamlet]

makes sense

could also mean i have too much crit

[oak flame]

is still bugged the recraft system ?

[rose ibex]

Ehhhh... it has a fair amount of abilities as a hunter but the rotation got really boring. Feels like you have 3 main abilities and 2 cooldowns

You buff wildfire or raptor strike. Maybe you buff boomstick

[modest marlin]

You've described most specs

[rose ibex]

Arms has more abilities

I just want like... 1 or 2 to come back

Something like explosive shot

Explosive shot procs were so fun

[worldly rivet]

Survival is a moba spec.

[minor gust]

Any and all gearing questions is answered by simming. Things change based on your current character. Guides go off a character in full "bis"

[worldly rivet]

Easiest in the game.

[rose ibex]

I feel myself falling asleep when playing it...

And im kinda bummed about it because it was one of the biggest casualties from pruning in the game for me

also tanks moving targets out of your PL stampede is frustrating

They cant even see it

If SV had fury levels of haste it might be fun but it feels even slower than arms

[tranquil oar]

@minor gust did you just hacked Copilot and on ptr they changed us or was it the forum post ? ( sorry for tag)

[minor gust]

It was me

The savior of slayer

@steep osprey happy now

[ionic reef]

how is arms doing? still eh

[worldly rivet]

Way too pruned. No difference in rotation between any encounter.

[nova marsh]

Bro you say that

Have you played sub

[rose ibex]

All it would take is for it to get explosive shot back and I'd probably play it as an alt. Just something that isnt a ground dot (which they don't even uuuuuuuse)

I actually like the broomstick and explosives

[plucky osprey]

thoughts? beter then the last idea they had of taking it away?

[sharp wyvern]

still bad

i dont like it

[steep osprey]

It isn't bad

It's a good change

[sharp wyvern]

the only hope i have is that they make execute stronger by itself

[steep osprey]

They're probably going to buff Execute/Slayer's Strike

[minor gust]

They compromised. This way we get to keep our SD aoe which was the important thing

Now slayer gameplay won't play like shit

[steep osprey]

^

[gentle gyro]

Cheeks

Author of that post said that those are great changes lmao

[rose ibex]

It allows them to tune aoe and single target separately which is good

On its own it is bad but the change could allow for better overall tuning

[steep osprey]

That's our theorycrafter

And they are

[worldly rivet]

You actually have two CDs to press at least. Survival is legitimately 4 buttons for most people that have one interaction with wildfire bomb and boom stick CD reduction.

[rose ibex]

It just feels like the spec plays itself and I don't like that

The decision making feels obvious and forced

[thick kelp]

Better than last time but Slayer will need major help in ST

[steep osprey]

Easy to fix

Buff SS and Execute

Some random ST talents like Cyclone

Unhinged

[rose ibex]

Arms is a bit of a mess and understandably difficult to tune

The ptr changes reveal more of their intent to separate the knobs for tuning

[north forge]

These changes are ok for aoe I believe. However they've kinda nerfed single target reap into the ground and just not let it recover which means our main hero tree interaction is near non existent in our ST profile.

[steep osprey]

That's not the main interaction

It's Execute

Reap has been mainly AoE for the most part

It's only a ST/AoE thing for this patch

Which will last like 2 months

[north forge]

Granted interaction is the wrong word, I meant tangible effect. It's reap and always has been reap. More execute procs and damage are great but they've always been a thing

[steep osprey]

Nice

Congrats

[shy oyster]

Got this as Normal. Slowly, arms is feeling nicer as we go 😄

[minor gust]

Mines gonna have avoidance when it drops on mythic for me this week

[steep osprey]

[minor gust]

My vault was a gaze of aln with avoidance on hero track

[steep osprey]

You fixed Slayer, forget about any luck for a few months now

[minor gust]

Sucks that trinket ain't good anymore

Good for fury at least

[steep osprey]

What does it do

[minor gust]

Just a stat stick that gives a primary stat

[worldly rivet]

I mean they could always get rid of Avatar and give Execute an actual cool capstone.

[minor gust]

But it got nerfed like 2 or three times

[worldly rivet]

And figure it out from there

[shy oyster]

MEGA Execute

[rose ibex]

I hope avatar goes

[slender sonnet]

dragons

[shy oyster]

a core Execute and EARTHQUAKES into MORE EXECUTES

[rose ibex]

Hell yeah dude

[shy oyster]

you hold the flames ❤️

[slender sonnet]

I love arms

[rose ibex]

That's huge. How does one get such good numbers?

[minor gust]

Get lucky mostly

[rose ibex]

Is a lot of it padding?

[minor gust]

And padding

[rose ibex]

I understand

[minor gust]

That's how I did 120k on dragons

RNG said yes sir here's some SD procs

[shy oyster]

How do you guys handle the adds on Dragons as arms?

Save SS?

[rose ibex]

Is it better to go colossus or slayer on dragons?

[minor gust]

Thunderclap CS bladestorm hope for the best

[rose ibex]

Cleave or no cleave?

[minor gust]

All you can do

[slender sonnet]

yeah Im not the best player

but that was a good dragons for me

[rose ibex]

Wait thunderclap?

[slender sonnet]

No mechanics on me

didnt really do that much on adds tbf

[shy oyster]

Wait- yeah, Thunderclap? O.O

./stares at his talent trees

[minor gust]

Rend is a frontal thunderclap is a massive aoe with the talent

[rose ibex]

I know nothing

Oh god

[minor gust]

You ain't hitting those smallie with a rend

[shy oyster]

Stares

[rose ibex]

What have i done!?

[steep osprey]

Feels so weird not to call it WB on AoE lol

[slender sonnet]

feeling a lot better after tonight

[rose ibex]

I need to put tclap back in....

[shy oyster]

What do you exchange for Thunderclap? @minor gust

[rose ibex]

Rend is dead to me now

[steep osprey]

Why can't they make BS have a primary and secondary damage

[slender sonnet]

I personally dropped second wind and field dressing

[shy oyster]

Oooh col

[steep osprey]

Primary for ST and secondary for AoE

[slender sonnet]

but there's probably better options

[rose ibex]

Im surprised adds live long enough for rend to matter at all

[minor gust]

Whatever you want it's just class tree stuff. If you want to see what my talents were just go look at the kill on wcl

[shy oyster]

o7

[shy oyster]

neat

Yeah, Tclap Rend is nicer for me >.>

[minor gust]

It doesn't really it's not the secret sauce to a big dragons parse

[shy oyster]

I thought you never run it now as SLayer

[minor gust]

It's very minor

[worldly rivet]

I think its one of the only capstones on a spec that doesn't really make sense. Usually the talents in the row have something to do with a specific ability, passive, or new ability. It may not be numerically the worst talent but definitely the laziest.

[shy oyster]

Yeah, I am getting the feeling of Monk Capstone laziness all over again from it.

As in, before Monk got cool ones 😛

[minor gust]

It's purely for dragons because of how the adds work

[shy oyster]

Ahah

just a quick little lovetap

[minor gust]

Big radius vs frontal cone

[worldly rivet]

did you assert dominance with Champion's spear?

[latent moss]

hi

[minor gust]

🐐

[latent moss]

colossus arms warrior

[sacred zodiac]

tell the fury warriors to wake up maybe

[minor gust]

Did you see I saved Slayer all by myself

[latent moss]

🐐

[worldly rivet]

I did use the spear because it was normals lol. DK grip - champ spear.

[slender sonnet]

real

I like the fury warriors they gave me vorasius trink

[sacred zodiac]

goats

[latent moss]

🍽️

[thick kelp]

your dragons parse is illegal cuz the fuck you mean you got bladestorm back for orbs at 0:30

[sacred zodiac]

https://giphy.com/gifs/deadlock-rem-epicedster-HZmoyGHgRG4Vl4MBdT

[thick kelp]

i got my bs back at fucking 1:01

[slender sonnet]

what the fuck

proc king

[latent moss]

just farm boss damage parses while everyone is farming padding parses

[slender sonnet]

also I died twice on paladins

xD

Incoming 1 parse

[latent moss]

am i goated for this

[thick kelp]

hella goated

[minor gust]

[minor gust]

dude I got a disgusting amount of SD procs on pull

[thick kelp]

i ws just staring at the timeline comparing mine vs yours

[minor gust]

ive never seen anything like it

[thick kelp]

and you just bs 3 times more than me

in the fight

like ???

[spring vale]

Slayer casino

[minor gust]

yeah normally BS not ready till 2nd add set

but I got it back for first

lmao

[latent moss]

play colo and command EVERYONE to not touch orbs

tmy ahh

[rose ibex]

Im tempted to pump haste over crit just to get more sd procs

[slender sonnet]

my goat

[thick kelp]

rotate mass grips so I can demo the orbs every set

[shy oyster]

It'll be good for Prot off-spec too just sayi--- is shot dead in an alleyway

[latent moss]

puzzlebox pot pi ravager all cds

[slender sonnet]

FUARK

[latent moss]

noob

[minor gust]

my guild decided to be really dumb for paladins and refuse to ever keep them stacked its cooked

[spring vale]

lmfao

[shy oyster]

Even the log website slagging you wth...

[slender sonnet]

I wasn't paying attention cause I realised as I charged in I had the wrong trink on

[rose ibex]

The truth must never be revealed

[shy oyster]

:dead:

[rose ibex]

I actually do find my dps being more consistent since getting the haste heart from windrunner

[north forge]

i tried it on a normal blast for some extra 4sets. felt clunky

[latent moss]

bro i need heart and gaze so bad

fuck ass trinkets rn

[thick kelp]

heart and puzzyB

[latent moss]

piss ilvl too

260

[rose ibex]

Screw puzzle box

Garbage box

[thick kelp]

bros 1 ilvl higher than me

"piss ilvl"

[latent moss]

axaxaxxaxa

[rose ibex]

Mastery spits

[latent moss]

old walhe would be 270 with heroic gaze and heart

washed

[thick kelp]

reaaal

[latent moss]

tmy ahh

bdg tmy vs current

[shy oyster]

Yeah, I am steering as much as possible away from Box

[latent moss]

hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

[thick kelp]

4pc with mythic weapon etc

[latent moss]

pieces tmy vs current

[thick kelp]

mfw mythic puzzle is bis

with heart

[north forge]

i landed a solarflare from my first skyreach so ive just gone way down the list on Gaze prio

[thick kelp]

Gaze is dogshit for arms

[latent moss]

myth weap from vault and 2x crafted

type shi

[thick kelp]

hope this helps

[thick kelp]

istg

[slender sonnet]

🙁

[steep osprey]

[latent moss]

shut up box

send az image

[rose ibex]

You a good box

[latent moss]

bro where is az

gg

[rose ibex]

Not garbage box

[minor gust]

I aint touching puzzlebox in raid ima just rock my double heart till I can get plume

[steep osprey]

Someone still remembers Az image

Damn

My brain washing hasn't worked

[minor gust]

except paladins ill run some puzzlebox colo there

[thick kelp]

gl getting plume

one gazillion specs contest u on that

[latent moss]

and they all outsim u by 20%

so u aint getting it

[minor gust]

I will get it in first vault that it can drop in

ez pz

[steep osprey]

What does plume do

[latent moss]

🐐

real

[latent moss]

idk just gives infinite stats

like heart

[thick kelp]

arms when stats

[latent moss]

colo when crit

[latent moss]

i dont even have enchants

[rose ibex]

I hear there's some delve quest that is currently bugged to randomly hand out items from next raid

[latent moss]

everything is silver rank

[thick kelp]

Guess the boss cone

[latent moss]

chimaerus?

i cant spell it

[minor gust]

Dreamrift or first boss

[thick kelp]

First boss

[latent moss]

i tried padding on dreamrift