arms

[sharp wyvern]

6 days ago

did people open vaults with this bug still existing ?

[devout pewter]

yes

[sharp wyvern]

interesting

[devout pewter]

bellular had a vault with weapons only in his video

looked very purple, so i assume it was midnight

[umbral badger]

would suck if someone gets all bracers or belts or boots xd

[wind hatch]

normal singletarget spec but just drop both bloodborne points for broad strokes and powerful momentum

[devout pewter]

i'm not sure if that was real, but they showed a twitter post with someone actually getting that

[wind hatch]

fury is still way better tho

[sharp wyvern]

those weapons look very S3 TWW

[umbral badger]

my dreams of getting a tier set to save my catalyst would be ruined

[sharp wyvern]

didnt NA servers come up early ?

[devout pewter]

it actually is haha

[sharp wyvern]

or was it on time and thats why it seemed early

[umbral badger]

makes sense then, i guess bladestorm hitting the adds every now and then also helps

[devout pewter]

Those are march 22 though.. hm

[umbral badger]

those bracers are TWW hmm

[sharp wyvern]

i thought the same thing

twitter would never mislead you tho

[devout pewter]

yeah no idea how that is pre season. or they didn't open their vault since tww

still funny tho. just all bracers

[surreal lodge]

is arms still worse than fury with buffs + 4 set

[sharp dust]

No arms has more aura

[umbral badger]

overall probably, specific fights it depends.

[sharp dust]

[stoic oyster]

any tips to getting more heroic strike procs? seems like i get nothing sometimes

[sharp wyvern]

rng

[sharp dust]

🙏

[umbral badger]

unless you are losing some ST globals osmehow "like for example getting less overpowers due to a habit of sorts" it's rng.

[stoic oyster]

maybe if i stack haste

more haste

MORE

[sharp wyvern]

[stoic oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[umbral badger]

like losing an overpower or two cuz we click the wrong spell can actually punish us sometimes

my entire gear is like double the crit value on each piece compared to the other stat so my char is giga haste starved xd

35% crit

[sharp wyvern]

oh damn

i got 20% of everything except vers

[umbral badger]

i can't find haste pieces xd

everything i get is crit

[sharp wyvern]

i did get good arms necks and rings

[umbral badger]

on stats weight "although unreliable" crit is lowest for me now

[stoic oyster]

im gonna try to stack as much haste as i can so i can just force more HS procs with shorter gcds

[sharp wyvern]

your collosus dmg has to be good tho

[paper summit]

is that fiber of living agony trinket really good?> its like the same thing as heart of ancient hunger?

[umbral badger]

it does feel good for aoe cuz i get many more demo resets

[stoic oyster]

its great and fun but feels soo bad on ST only bosses in m+

[sharp wyvern]

im gonna start with slayer in m+

[rose ibex]

slayer still more fun

[sharp wyvern]

was already doing good numbers in m0s

[umbral badger]

yup, need about 7% less crit turned into 7% more haste

atm

[rose ibex]

slayer is also more chill and has funner procs

[sharp wyvern]

and more boss dmg

[umbral badger]

i am on the bizentein clasas, colossus die hards xd

[rose ibex]

they are both fun

but i just gotta spin to win

[stoic oyster]

i just like how demolish hits

[rose ibex]

the 200k+ demolish crits are intoxicating

[umbral badger]

what i hate about slayer arms is that the cds for slayer arms feel giga underwhelming compared to colossus

[nova marsh]

Wow

I should've taken today off

[umbral badger]

colossus you pop cds and see a couple giga crits

[rose ibex]

my biggest issue with colossus is ravager

i hate how strong it makes cleave and how important it feels sometimes

[paper summit]

does demolish seem like you cant use it on every pack? maybe it was just M0?

[umbral badger]

OMG @rose ibex can you stop reminding me of that pain

i forgot ravager

and now i remembered

[rose ibex]

when your cooldowns don't align it feels AWFUL on colossus

and slayer has a lot more cooldown reduction effects

i thiiiink

anyways

[umbral badger]

early m0 days it was easy every pack but maybe if you do it now they die in he 4 initial cleaves

[nova marsh]

I don't think it does

Slayer's CDR is just more consistent

[sharp wyvern]

technically it does cause of the SD bladestorm CDR but it doesnt matter

[rose ibex]

also bladestorm extending range slightly beyond your melee range? kinda nice sometimes

[sharp wyvern]

cause avatar i effected by AM

[nova marsh]

Because if you're not getting to 10 stacks ASAP (espically since our stack gen for colo techincally did get nerfed)

[stoic oyster]

yeah im getting desynced af, im just sending anything but mostly trying to lineup smash with demolish

[rose ibex]

also sudden death procs are fun

[nova marsh]

You get zero cdr

[rose ibex]

don't get me wrong. Colossus has more aoe burst

[umbral badger]

what i hate about things like slayer arms and fury slayer generally is that their cds are not always reseting at the same time, so when i was doing the dragons with fury slayer for example, you open with all cds, sometimes you have your cds hte moment orbs spawn and sometimes you don't

[stoic oyster]

i would almost prefer zero CDR.. more controlled bursts

[umbral badger]

my brain can't comprehend such randomness

[rose ibex]

when you play a class that already has desync problems adding more on colossus and having less cdr effects feels bad

[umbral badger]

oh shit so basically we are talking the same language xd

[sharp wyvern]

but then our flat dmg profile would be in danger

[rose ibex]

arms would need a rework

atm its all about burst cooldowns and getting those cooldowns back

[nova marsh]

You mean like evrey other spec in the game

[rose ibex]

yeah truuuuueeee

but some have better passive damage then others

[umbral badger]

yea but i don't think that's the point pakaboi is making, it's just the inconsistancy of when are your cds ready. the dragons fight example i mentioned above is probably what ppl hate

[rose ibex]

first boss and dragon boss in raid felt really bad because your aoe cds are your single target cds

and you want ot just full send but you feel awkward if the procs don't work out

[umbral badger]

like when you do a fight it feels better if you know exactly that you will have this and that at every important adds/burst points but as fury "and sometimes arms slayer" it feels aweful that sometimes you get to reset your BS and sometimes not

[rose ibex]

so you're stuck there not aoeing down the little dudes

sometimes

[umbral badger]

yes exactly, i open with bladestorm with fury slayer and sometimes it's ready on first orbs and sometimes it's not.

so awkward

for arms slayer you never get it back though

[rose ibex]

i play with several mages and an outlaw rogue so tbh I shouldn't care at all

the adds get exploded instantly

just be happy doing 40-50k dps

[umbral badger]

sure my prio is full ST too but it is fun when things line up xd

[rose ibex]

yeah I think the play is to see it as a treat

don't obsess over it

[umbral badger]

was able to rank in top 50 fury slayers on dragons but then i realized that parsers are all going thane

[rose ibex]

main thing is just getting gear

[umbral badger]

which i don't evne know anything about

[rose ibex]

its dumb when 8 dps save and blow their giant aoe cooldowns on adds and half of them end up being wasted

[umbral badger]

actually practiced some slayer arms and thane fury earlier on the ?? boss xd

[rose ibex]

you might as well just full send and if the stars align then make it work

but if not whatever

[nova marsh]

Cuz they are filthy padders

[umbral badger]

not good , ppl should want to kill the boss for the greater good so never save cds

[umbral badger]

sadge i want to parse but not at the expense of the guild xd

[rose ibex]

and seeing as our cds get all messed up and desynced we may as well full send and leave the adds to others with more reliable profiles

its something i'm going to try doing next raid anyways

even though my damage will suck from padding less

[nova marsh]

Chief

[rose ibex]

it sucks anyways tbh

[nova marsh]

Brothers...I regret not pushing my key in the morning

[rose ibex]

im there to kill paladins

i must resist playing fury

[umbral badger]

that's precisely why i chose fury slayer over arms slayer too, the cds align wiht adds more often. i don't know if it's a thing but it feels like arms
resets too slowly compared to fury bladestorm ??

as a fury noob i am just going with the feels now lol

well , either way at least slayer arms will have a much better P3 now

with new buffs

on dragons

[median canyon]

How are we doing with the buffs now?

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[umbral badger]

btw

pracitcing spec on ?? feels much more useful than going in weird raids "like LFR"

had a good thane tutorial in ??

[shy dagger]

I take it no one is playing arms

[sharp wyvern]

no parses are locked in rn so you are beating the non buffed arms logs

so everyones logs look like this

[shy dagger]

Ahh yeah

Youre right

[umbral badger]

keep it for guilds applications in the future xd

hahaha

that would be funny

hahaha

[sharp wyvern]

do lfr try to get rank 1 on everything and then photoshot "mythic" in the top

[shy dagger]

[sand totem]

Ah fuck I was wondering how i managed to do so well

[obsidian otter]

dam i got 1 piece from set people already got full 4 set bonus sheesh gaming!!

hunter stacked

[rose ibex]

my theory is that arms needs a lot of haste to feel more reliable

just to keep the procs going

and to get you through the dry spells

[umbral badger]

sadly, the problem is not what arms needs for reliablity but how blizzard is pushing "crit" too hard. not enough crit will mean we don't have deep wounds even if we get haste

[rose ibex]

well we need both

[umbral badger]

yea

[rose ibex]

mastery and vers must be eradicated whenever possible

[umbral badger]

and a lot of both

[rose ibex]

enchants

[umbral badger]

cuz of the current design it feels we need shit loads of both

[rose ibex]

consumes

trinkets

[umbral badger]

and the new mastery is too boring so i don't mind crit and haste being so good

[rose ibex]

it's insanely boring

[umbral badger]

lol yea

it's like "vers 2.0"

but more boring than vers

[rose ibex]

it's not even

vers gives defence at least

[umbral badger]

yea that's why it feels mroe fun to have vers tbh

than the new mastery

[rose ibex]

oh just... more crit and haste :P

MORE

stupid disgusting mastery on our tier items

it sickens me

[umbral badger]

i've always hated haste, but i don't mind it.

[rose ibex]

since getting the haste trinket from windrunner i feel like my dps is more consistent

[gentle gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/conan-o-brien-window-stalker-creepy-let-me-in-gif-16778394

[umbral badger]

but i do prefer if we can go back to some mastery that focuses on mortal strike / cleave for example for the fun crits

[rose ibex]

more procs and whatnot

but it might just be in my head

[umbral badger]

will get my 4 set right away when servers open and that will feel more consistant for colossus

cuz 4 set will allow my second demo to be gauranteed on CS rather than "sometimes"

[twilit flare]

im gapping all dps in the charts, i cant stop getting invited to m+ and heroic cosmos, everyone wants to play with my dominate spec, life as an arms warriors feels great right now

[umbral badger]

i will be the party pooper and say, enjoy it while it lasts xd

the nightmare of highkeys from last season incoming

[gentle gyro]

He is trolling

[umbral badger]

oh shit

i believed him xd

[twilit flare]

Not trolling.

[gentle gyro]

Yeah sure bud

[sharp wyvern]

i want him to say that again after everyone has tier

[gentle gyro]

It is not even good for arms

[sharp wyvern]

its only 11% for arms

you are right

[rose ibex]

that sounds like one of the better tier sets

[sharp wyvern]

good tier sets for shit spec

so it doesnt make a difference

[umbral badger]

i did a small calculation for colossus at least, and the only reaosn 4 set seemed good is because it helps demolish to easily fit into the second CS "and more CS overall"

like you get 2-3 seconds at the end of the second CS to fit in demo

but it might be cuz of my high crit

not cuz of the 4set

[sharp wyvern]

its not 11% for collosus tbf
the 11% is for ST layer

its like 8% for collosus

still good but not as good

[umbral badger]

yea yea just nice that demo is not wasted outside of CS sometimes

[nova marsh]

Does my 2 on my rogue oh what's my 4

OH BOY IT'S SKYREACH

[stoic oyster]

our tier bonuses are so boring basically (2) more damage; (4) longer damage 😴 😴

[nova marsh]

Chief

Literally evreyone's tier set is like that this time\

[gentle gyro]

1hr for me to play today and they are still off fml

[sharp wyvern]

First time in a long time EU servers have a delay

[umbral badger]

if anything at least our 4 set has some "gameplay" to it

fitting more things into the window

[stoic oyster]

yeah i guess the 4 set can be interesting but the two set its just annoying, like our mastery

[nova marsh]

HOLY AURA

The first warr I see in keys is arms

So based

[umbral badger]

ONE OF US , ONE OF US

[gentle gyro]

fdk has more

this is very bland

[nova marsh]

ONE OF US. ONE OF US.

[umbral badger]

xd

[nova marsh]

2pc gamer too

Gotta love to see it

[jaunty drift]

Arms felt so good in keys today

I also had a good time in heroic

[nova marsh]

Bro

I just had my DK tank friend join my +4

BRO IS 2k already

[jaunty drift]

Yeah it’s not hard

I’ve done like 6, and I’m 1400?

If you do them all on a 2+ and time them well it’s an easy 2k

[nova marsh]

Yeah but he's here to help me lol

[jaunty drift]

Lmao

[gentle gyro]

Is it still impossible to get invited into 0s as 250 ilvl arms?

[obsidian otter]

we got like 900 people in our mythic plus guild over half already 2k +

[jaunty drift]

Don’t know, depends on the people

[obsidian otter]

10s are easy free atm

[jaunty drift]

Some people are fotm enjoyers and will be racist

Or should I say, armsist

[gentle gyro]

What a time to be alive

[umbral badger]

isn't 2k 8s nwo ?

[jaunty drift]

Idk I was cranking 120-160k sustained on aoe as slayer cleave in 5-10 keys

Was a good time

Sometimes more

Cleave still do go brr

[gentle gyro]

Praying for Dreadnaught + Rend buff

Never happening

[umbral badger]

i guess the cleave nerf affects slayer more than colossus though ? since slayer motals are probably weaker in aoe ?

[jaunty drift]

Colossus just feels like shit all around imo

I just not a big a fan of the playstyle personally

AoE has its moments but anything single target and

Slayer to me just feels fluid all the time. With more haste it’ll be better to

More gear ect

[gentle gyro]

A complete rework would be nice

[jaunty drift]

For colossus yeah

[gentle gyro]

I will really miss slayer in 12.0.5

And I will be forced to swap

[sharp wyvern]

the only issue ihave is the rage economy
i can ignore the fact that our buttons kinda dont do dmg because of reap

thats getting fixd next patch

[umbral badger]

at the very least, a talent tree rework would be appreciated it, even if a small one so that we don't have 1000000 cleave related passives

[sharp wyvern]

we just had one

[gentle gyro]

Breaking the ankles of an entire spec because of a random proc that might happen is stupid

[umbral badger]

might be fixed if they reduced that number of cleave talents and gave us some rage related shit xd

[jaunty drift]

Arms is supposed to be the cleave spec, it should be baked in tbh

[sharp wyvern]

the problem is its guaranteed on SD procs

[jaunty drift]

Then they can tune the st

[gentle gyro]

So we got beef with that now huh?

[sharp wyvern]

honeslty i dont see why arms needs sweeping strikes when MM can cleave passively

[umbral badger]

one other example of "please give us less talents regarding that"

[gentle gyro]

honestly i dont see why arms needs uncapped aoe when other have it

[umbral badger]

like make Sweeping strike 20 stacks

and remove all those fking talents

i hate it

[sharp wyvern]

you dont want uncapped aoe

look what happened to rend

[gentle gyro]

They massacared my all time fav ability

[sharp wyvern]

having capped aoe doesnt mean you have to be shit in m+

this is a stupid talking point people

[jaunty drift]

Yeah I had no issues competing and stomping in plus today lol

[red cove]

I have a question, are other people running out of rage when in execute phase? I am looking at the top parsing arms and they are just, Execute, execute, overpower, mortal strike with some heroic strikes mixed in and they are just doing that same rotation without using charge or that intervene/die by the sowrd macro. I try to do that and I am hella rage starved. Would I need more crit and haste to get more rage?

[sharp wyvern]

did you have a shaman i your group ?

[red cove]

WAIT

we didn't

[sharp wyvern]

there you go

[red cove]

I didn't even realize

Now i feel like a dingus

[dire hinge]

6s i think

[nova marsh]

Wonna know the best part

They were p okay in that skyreach 4

in case you're wondering yes...yes I am the rogue lmafo

[sacred oar]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-meme-looking-out-the-window-sad-missing-out-sad-squidward-gif-5401562831942688207

[dire hinge]

i've been banished to the prot realm tonight

[sacred oar]

watching NA bros having fun...

[gentle gyro]

goyim watching the master playing

what else is new

[odd ledge]

so how far is slayer behind in m+?

roughly

[fresh spire]

ill be playing prot all day as soon as servers come up for the boys

(not even mad as prot plays really fucking well)

[dire hinge]

yeah it's cozy af

just timed a +11 Pit in my 255 prot gear

you just kinda chew thew things, but your health doesn't move

[fervent cedar]

good lord arms fucking owns in keys

[sacred oar]

hahaha

[fervent cedar]

this is honestly the most fun I've had with warrior in quite a while

(I am new to arms so thats part of it)

[gentle gyro]

Happy for you man

[gentle gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-angry-kid-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-16045257244806990422

[jaunty drift]

It cranks

[strong void]

I was slapping dummies and slayer feels very good

[minor gust]

until 12.05

[devout pewter]

I always wanted to tank as a second side thing, but always been so anxious because I'm terrible at remembering everything (even basic things) unless I've run the dungeon a hundreth time... any advise? 😄

[gentle gyro]

Rip arms in early may I guess

[devout pewter]

I ain't bad when i know things, but man

[gentle gyro]

from B- back to D

[fervent cedar]

how is slarms rn? I tried it in M0s earlier this season and it was fun but colo just seemed way better

[strong void]

Should I just get used to colo?

[rose ibex]

Those changes are generally disliked

There is plenty of time for them to be changed or removed

[gentle gyro]

Why would they do that?

They clearly don't care about the feedback

People paid money to test the beta and what came out of it?

[odd ledge]

btw bois is there a way to only display execute with sudden death proc? with blizzards ui

[devout pewter]

via buff bar yes

sudden death buff is trackable

[odd ledge]

oh i know that

but when i see execute is ready i press it since im slayer wired

[devout pewter]

yeah, that's it

But execute should glow with the buff i think?
or just add a sound to sudden death and rewire to that

[odd ledge]

true

is it worth to take champions tier?

got it from that 1 delve lol

[vague spear]

can someone help me decide? whats better from vault getting 2 piece or heroic gaze trinket?

(I know i can just simming I mean more as a long term strategic decision)

[jagged finch]

how does the Crucible of Erratic Energies trinket work? do we need to do anything with it, or does it just work

[devout pewter]

EU seems to have crashed raidbots lmao

also, i just got excited because I saw I got puzzle box in vault... then remembered it's in the dungeon field which is only champ

[umbral badger]

to begin with your tier is gonna be mythc track if you save catalysts

so any tier is welcome, unless you are sacrificing a bis trinket

bis hero trinket is always welcome

[pine wren]

Don't forget that once you get 4piece, catalyst charges can drop off of bosses

[odd ledge]

oo

[devout pewter]

yeah, taking set unless you don't have set is probably the best option for now until you have 4pc

[pine wren]

Not Raidbots crashing when I'm tryna sim Arms to see if it's worth playing over Fury lol

how does it compare?

[devout pewter]

It's better, always was, always will

[odd ledge]

arms > fury

[pine wren]

but actually numberswise? I'm tryna push KSH by Saturday and I need every edge I can get

[minor gust]

you can play anything you want to KSH those keys are free

just play whats fun

[pine wren]

You fellers think that M+ will get buffed? I was timing 10's 1.5 hours after reset with only 2piece, super comfortably

[nova marsh]

I mean

I kinda doubt it

M= feels average to me

[odd ledge]

if i didnt get any myth crest last week am i cooked?

or can i still craft the wep this week

[devout pewter]

If you'd craft the weapon next month you'd still be fine

[odd ledge]

can i craft it this week?

[minor gust]

myth crest cap is 200 this week

[odd ledge]

ok nice thx

[boreal remnant]

Bis anime bis taste

[hoary palm]

our single target is still so ass lol

[rough pewter]

how often we use overpower now?

[devout pewter]

at least twice in 12s without proccs...

Sorry 😄
Probably just want to throw it in whenever and always keep it on cooldown

[rough pewter]

okey thank you

[devout pewter]

like:
MS/cleave on cooldown, rage isn't about to cap, you almost have 2 overpower

It's likely time to overpower

[umbral badger]

colossus in ST talents have improved, but my execute is still doing 2.5% to 3% of my total damage 🤣

feels bad

why is this even a thing 🤣 execute is not executing

[median canyon]

is the M+ build still teh same now with the buffs?

[umbral badger]

probably not, nothing changed in that sense, execute is still shitty and we already get the mortal strike stuff in the m+ build

[nova marsh]

Tbh ya know what'd be cool

If colo had a button that replaced exe

And generated stacks

[stable fiber]

ok

i meannn

this was a +10 magisters

[minor gust]

lots of yummy smallies in MT

[umbral badger]

i rather not have execute than an execute that does 2.5% of my total damage for ure

makes me hate sudden death

[nova marsh]

Yeah and I do feel like colos stack gen feels a bit weak without unhinged

[umbral badger]

we stack half as fast cuz we lost unhinged and 20% of mortal resetingit self :p

[nova marsh]

And the opener is awful

We circled back around to tww alpha

[umbral badger]

cuz unhinged was used with recklessness

you gotta remember we lost recklessness too

[nova marsh]

I mean thats more about rage but yes that does play a role. We lost a lot of rage gen

[hoary palm]

almost like noone at blizz ever played the spec

apex 4 stacks to 5 for no reason lol

[umbral badger]

no my point is recklessness = a lot of crit during unhinged

[smoky kayak]

it stacks to 5 to provide overflow protection - so that if you are purposefully delaying Colossus Smash or just go on a legendary proc streak, those procs aren't wasted

So no, it's on purpose and actually a good thing

[umbral badger]

so unhinged + recklessness + the mortal resets

[nova marsh]

Phhhh

Good point

[umbral badger]

BROTHER

THEY PUT ME IN LAST BOSS LFR

THEN I HAD TO REQUEUE AGAIN

then the boss beofre it

then requeue again

for hte first boss

[hoary palm]

I guess but if you delayed it enough for it to hit 5 you probably could have casted it anyway

[umbral badger]

3 queues for one LFR section

[slender sonnet]

4p haver

[smoky kayak]

not necessarily; RNG is RNG, and it's perfectly possible to get 5 procs within the span of CS's normal cooldown

in fact, this was the very first sim I did when the new Apex was implemented; 5 procs in 21s
the rest were all 2-3 procs between CS casts, as is normally expected

[thick kelp]

Hooly procs

[tranquil oar]

Hey tigers quick question where can i get my set piece from having the bosses killed on HC ? Because if it a quest line i cant find it in Silvermoon

[hoary palm]

[umbral badger]

yea it feels kinda like how slayer resets their bladestorm, sometimes i get to reset it it in no time "allowing me to open with it on the drakes fight and then use it again onorbs" and sometimes it never happens

[smoky kayak]

Yeah that's just RNG being RNG

[umbral badger]

yup

[thick kelp]

Gosh I love RNG CDR in a world of flat CDR on other specs major abilites

[odd ledge]

whats the reasoning for sudden death so high in prio during execute ?

[umbral badger]

the guy who said colossus went back to the start of TWW is so right, this buff to execute meant nothing for colossus and now they need to buff colossus hero talent maybe to make it do ST lol

[odd ledge]

for colossus

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, feels like they would do well by lowering the amount of CDR from Unrelenting Onslaught and adding Bladestorm back to Anger Management... but what do I know

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-arguing-guy-talking-to-wall-talking-brick-wall-gif-18667615

[umbral badger]

that's not flashy enough for them :p

flashy > consistancy in blizzard eyes apparenlty

[smoky kayak]

eh, can't hate them for trying something new

just need to recognize when it doesn't work quite as well as we'd hoped and... try something else

[thick kelp]

Which part here is high prio

[hoary palm]

Slayer probably gotta be played in tyrannical level keys colossus single target is tank tier

[odd ledge]

this one

[umbral badger]

he means the other part in wowhead :p

ahh yea that

[thick kelp]

oh on wowhead

its to make it easy and simple to understand

its basically dps neutral to press it at that point

compared to the spot of it in the apl

[minor gust]

spell reflect go brr

[smoky kayak]

tbf that list could have also just written before the last round of APL polish, it's kind of a constant back and forth

[umbral badger]

damn, because my gear has too much crit my deep wounds is doing serious dmg

[smoky kayak]

I believe the Exe/SD line was cut after the Apex change

[tranquil oar]

Is Gaze our bis trinket ?

[smoky kayak]

but its all changing again with today's hotfixes so

[thick kelp]

do you mean you might have other tasks to do too outside of keeping the wowhead guide uptodate with everysingle little apl change fishy finds

[smoky kayak]

[thick kelp]

Speaking of, the changes should be on raidbots with latest/nightly right?

[smoky kayak]

no, I spent all day in M+ and raid

[thick kelp]

[vapid spire]

What hotfix

[dense sphinx]

on ST do we just send bladestorm natty if its desynced from CS?

it'll eventually sync up again right

[stable fiber]

am i seeing this right

pretty big gap

ngl

GOD THIS SPEC OWNS MANNN

ofc its a little early to be comparing

[livid basin]

I mean affix buff

[thick kelp]

Bros gaping the competition

Crazy what our new mastery does with the affix

[smoky kayak]

Colossus legitimately goes hard in AoE, it just has negative single target

• today's buffs help address that a bit, but you still wanna be real keen on maximizing multitarget and minimizing time spent on just a single one

whether that's pulling trash into bosses, being picky about which dungeon you do, or just stacking your comp to have a lot of single target to make up for that weakness

[stable fiber]

i wish i logged the ones i just did

did 200k in a magisters damn near

[smoky kayak]

a whole lot of it just comes down to how you pull

I don't normally log dungeons, but according to blizz' meter I was pulling just shy of 140k in Pit 10 earlier

[fresh spire]

rather they made the CDR if we lose reap be like 25 seconds from SD always without stack checks

and make bladestorm fuck

[smoky kayak]

I mean if we do lose any semblance of Reap consistency, they're going to have to do some major damage tuning or else I don't know how Slayer survives

They're adding 20%, but that doesn't seem like nearly enough, especially given how concentrated Bladestorm's damage is, while Reap generally holds up throughput

[minor gust]

losing reap in ST is a decent dmg loss too. Really gonna need a bit of tuning if they go through with these changes

[near ice]

I just wish we had a spec that was really good single target. Every spec we can play is pad

Was severely disappointed with arms slayer damage today

So weird that we have 4 dps specs and not one of them is capable of decent boss damage lol

[rough pewter]

still slayer on m+?

and sacrifice some aoe

[slender sonnet]

I thought it was colo on m+

[rough pewter]

oh

[slender sonnet]

that's what I've been doing atleast

But I'm far from a reliable source

[latent moss]

time to put everything into execute

execute damage increased by 40%

[ashen bobcat]

What rocks now for arms - slayer og coloussus? Anyone having a blaster m+ build?

[latent moss]

regular colo m+ build

from wowhead

i havent tried slayer

colo owns in aoe bad st

[crisp mesa]

Man i wanna bang dude

Why wont society let me bang

[gentle gyro]

Ty for an inevitable nerf

[stable fiber]

That was nowhere near the craziest gap btw

Magisters terrace was like prob 170k log dps that didn't get logged

[latent moss]

vodka warrior 🍽️

@reef glade have u tried playing with a shaman

chatting

[reef glade]

yea ill try to find room for that next time in my 4 warrior group

also there was a shaman in that group

crazy coincidence

[old glacier]

How do we feel about the arms buffs?

[woven rune]

[latent moss]

@stable fiber

do i need more crit

thoughts

[umbral badger]

oh nice haste though

i have haste crises

[latent moss]

holy

[alpine solstice]

do we straight up not send demolish if we don't have colossus smash?

[thick kelp]

in what context

[alpine solstice]

in m+, on trash

[thick kelp]

Send it on 10 stacks or inside CS

they should pretty naturally lineup tho

[alpine solstice]

gotcha, thanks

[vale gorge]

CD > 4 cleaves > ms > Demolish (at pull 0 stack)

[topaz python]

depends on your tank pulls and also on key lvl
the more hp pack gets the better burst phases we get

[topaz python]

wdym cleaves before demo?
ravager -> CS -> demo -> cleaves -> ms no?

demo gives 10% haste

[vale gorge]

Of course I didnt talk about the Obvious ravager rend ...

[zinc yacht]

I need some guidance on demo usage. I used to only send it on 10 stacks, but I guess it changed in midnight. Do we actually just send it first thing in a pull with 0 stacks?

[fiery lynx]

is this new buff 5% increase or something?

[topaz python]

i mean you've said to send demo last after 4 cleaves

[vale gorge]

Yeah for some fishing stack

[topaz python]

ye, they've changed formula a bit
demo baseline was increased by 60% and stack value was halved, so now it's solid even with 0 stacks

[topaz python]

midnight fishing 300/300?

[quaint hare]

did they changed something with macros? yesterday this was working

/use [known:Heroic Strike] Heroic Strike; Mortal Strike```
today it wants to use HS all the time, even when it doesnt procc.... :/

[zinc yacht]

Thanks. Do you perhaps know if the wowhead rotation opener is current? Because I heard people say using demo right on pull (I assumed right after charging in), but the wowhead opener has it after the whole setup

[misty bridge]

Happened to me in the middle of an arena, the macro is fucked atp, but the next day it was fine again

[topaz python]

dunno why it says to use demo after cleaves
I'll check it this evening, gonna sim that

[latent moss]

to stack colossal might

[umbral badger]

i am telling you guys overall dmg in mythics is minimum 105k and sometimes up to 160k

but my boss damage is sitll a joke xd

[topaz python]

i mean
isnt 10% haste just better?

for CS window

[umbral badger]

this buff did not do anything for my boss damage xd

[umbral badger]

i mean techincally demo on zero stacks gives you nothing worthwhile, but if you hit cleave first you give it a lot of dmg

which then empowers whatever comes after it

so for example i do 1-2 mortals while tank is gathering to get 3-4 stacks up

then i open wtih all cds + 4 cleaves

[slender sonnet]

gaming

[umbral badger]

then one more mortal and 10 stacks demo

[umbral badger]

nice ,how many crests so far ?

[slender sonnet]

I spent some hero crests on wep, not spent any myth yet

[umbral badger]

not farming high keys yet just ugprading guild keys to 9s so in the evening guild can run keys together

sdage

ahh

i will just craft the weapon

so don't wanna waste hero on it

[slender sonnet]

Im gonna craft my wep to myth as soon as I can

[umbral badger]

i can't even imagine what's gonna happen to the dps with that crafted weapon

arms aoe is crazy

like this is when we died 8 times "tank was struggling and getting killed one shot"

so this is the lowest so far

although i have ot admit

i am using

which is just lining with my big cds :p

[leaden garnet]

Hi, my gearing is extremely scuffed and I haven't played since BFA. I have two Catalyst charges and can use one to get 2pc. I have 266 shoulders, should I just pull the trigger?

[umbral badger]

did you LFR ?

[leaden garnet]

I did, all three wings

"Wings"

My vault pick was 263 ilvl champ track legs

[umbral badger]

u in guild ?

[leaden garnet]

Not currently, but am looking

[umbral badger]

then you need to also run normal raid

before anything

so that if you get 2set

you can get 4 set

[leaden garnet]

Where would 4set come from?

[umbral badger]

2 catalyst s:p

as you said :p

[leaden garnet]

Oh derp

[umbral badger]

you want to keep the slots open so that you can roll on eveyr piece in pugs

to increase your chances

4 piece is CRAZY for aoe so better work on it like that

and pray for one piece from normal

[regal prism]

So are we switching from fury to arms yet?

[leaden garnet]

I have a personal preference but arms, but I believe Thane Fury is better for most fights in the raid

M+ is probably Arms

[rose ibex]

Shame because thane doesn't feel as fun as slayer

[thick hamlet]

going for gloves tier isn't so bad is it

it's my only hero tier in vault

[unkempt wren]

Luckily, they plan on making slayer less fun in the coming .5 patch too >.>

[slender sonnet]

not bad

[lone raft]

so for pure mythic plus arms is the winner?

[fervent cedar]

Arms appears to be doing higher overall but fury has better single target damage

Play whichever you prefer

[lone raft]

I’m hitting about 200k on pulls with fury thane

trash groups obv

but my situation is for friends I’m prot tanking for M+ and all other forms of content I’m fury, from ex arms main cuz of starting changed

tldr all the gear from prot minus trinkets is same stat prio as arms?

[pulsar frost]

Pretty much

[lone raft]

crit haste still right

[pulsar frost]

Yes

[fervent cedar]

Yeah

[lone raft]

how gimped would I be if I wanted to pug raids as arms

all the gearing is exhausting

[vast helm]

Arms ok?

[fervent cedar]

Arms cranks

[lone raft]

yes hitting 300k+ dps in aoe mythic +

[calm surge]

Aoe is strong but single target feels weak

[lone raft]

why is our 4 piece so one dimensional

[vast helm]

we good

[fervent cedar]

Everyone's 4 piece is one dimensional for the most part, season 1 tier tends to be the most uninteresting

[lone raft]

shoulda made heroic strike hit harder or something

fury gets buff to odyns fury

[slow saddle]

It works in st and ape

[lone raft]

which can apply to ST and Aoe

our cleave needs 3 or more targets on 4 pc it’s bs

[slow saddle]

Cleave aoe

Ms

[fervent cedar]

It applies to ms too

[slow saddle]

If 2 targets u sweep ms anyways with op to get more ms resets

[fervent cedar]

So it works at all target counts

[slow saddle]

Seems ok 2 me

[lone raft]

hmm I misread it then

[slow saddle]

3 targets for cleave to work means in aoe u can

Cleave ms on bigger targrt

[vapid pine]

Are there updated sims sheets this season? Warbreaker kinda chillin'

[calm surge]

i think it worded wrong because when does my mortal strike hit three targets?

[slow saddle]

Never?

Also we got bigger problems than wording

Buff ms another 15% when

[pulsar frost]

Of is still garbage even with the 4p

[slow saddle]

Nh

[pulsar frost]

If anything fury 4p is kinda lame

[slow saddle]

Of is quite ok

[lone raft]

I get that, I mean it only applies to 3 target cleave, where we are lacking in ST

[fervent cedar]

It applies at all target counts

[slow saddle]

It adds in st via ms

Wth u on about

[lone raft]

I see so I did reread it

u brought up 3 target cleave again lmao

[lone raft]

here lmao

[fervent cedar]

Someone else did

[slow saddle]

In aoe?

[lone raft]

idk bro ur shot

[fervent cedar]

Tier set extends cs with either

• mortal strike
• cleave that hits 3 or more targets

With sweeping strikes that means we extend cs at all target counts

[lone raft]

ty this clarifys it

[hoary palm]

peopel gotta be using slayer in m+ right

my single target as colossus is unplayable

[slow saddle]

Kek

U so funny

U accept u have shit st

Move on

[fervent cedar]

P much

[slow saddle]

Which is why i play thane ngl

[hoary palm]

so we do mid tier aoe and tank tier single target

[fervent cedar]

The st is bad but not like super horrendous

[hoary palm]

so arms is unplayable

thanks blizz

[slow saddle]

I mean

Aoe is above mid tier

[fervent cedar]

Arms aoe is nuts

[slow saddle]

It is very much good tier

Just need abigger key m8

[lone raft]

arms aoe I think smokes fury thane

someone in here posted 320k

[shy dew]

basically that's it, but if they continue buffing MS for 2 weeks will be decent

[slow saddle]

Prob. But thane does have great aoe, since tanks cant pull that big yet

[lone raft]

I think I’ve only ever peaked at 210/220 with fury thane

and even prot thane

but that was a fat pull

[slow saddle]

I peaked at 280k

On a pull today if not a bit morr

[lone raft]

ok big chad

[slow saddle]

With pot ofx

[lone raft]

still arms is pumping more, mine was no pots

[slow saddle]

Peak is not interresting rly though

[lone raft]

and shit group buffs

[slow saddle]

End of packs are

Ret paladin seems 2 have big st or?

[fervent cedar]

Yes

[slow saddle]

I just lost as thane 2 a ret in st

[fervent cedar]

Solid aoe solid st

[slow saddle]

Yup. Looks good as well

[fervent cedar]

Ret is all around quite good

[torpid zephyr]

I tried arms out yesterday on dummy, anyone find it clunky as hell? I'm new to war but been loving fury for the cadence.

Like when bloodlust hits on fury I can follow the rhythm like woosh woosh wam wam! For my abilities

Arms Im clicking like a madman but the abilities seem delayed

Am I crazy?

[slow saddle]

Yes

But also fury has very fluent gameplay

And collosus does not🤣

[torpid zephyr]

Yeah maybe Im spoiled. It's pure flow state. First pull of the night after a week off from last raid I have to catch up and get into it again it's so fast

[weak rain]

well quad cleaves after CS demolish feel fluent Kappa

[worldly rivet]

Ret damage profile is nice right now

Their passive AA does a stupidly high amount of damage.

[tawdry bear]

So, any word on the reap the Storm? Are we still losing that? My dungeon felt pretty good last night with the recent changes.

[latent moss]

aoe is very good

[fierce swan]

It is very good, ST still feels shit unless all procs line up

What are people doing overall in keys?

[scenic cedar]

well, this wowhead picture not actual now, right?

[latent moss]

tier lists are meaningless

[worldly rivet]

No lol

Arms is beating out a ton of specs in AOE and we are closing in on ST. People just aren't playing Arms a ton right now because of perception from release.

[slow saddle]

Tbf

From f to c

Is a big jump

[modern cove]

Are we the warriors who build this town?

[tawdry bear]

This was a pretty decent run for me. Each pull felt good in slayer.

+10 pit

As long as we keep reap the storm, I think slayer will be pretty strong with the buff to execute and the nerf to Cleave.

[clever badge]

not gona lie slayer felt a lot better the colossus but maybe its cos im dogshit

[shy dew]

slayer gameplay is pretty better in my opinion, problem at colossus is poor ST and a skill called demolish, demolish need a rework, how can a warrior have a skill where do u need stand still casting

[steep osprey]

Why not

You use sheer focus and popwer to be able to land a huge hit while standing

[thorn stream]

also you are able to move

[tawdry bear]

My problem with demolish is there is a need for movement in a bunch of pulls.

[finite nacelle]

It looks cool

I just want more abilities that look cool

[tawdry bear]

Especially agathar academy, that first hero pull has so much shit on the ground.

[slender sonnet]

This was first pull of algethar for me

on +7

[steep osprey]

Demo?

[slender sonnet]

I struggled to get the dps out

cause of the shit on the ground

[lyric lagoon]

Quick question, if I will get my 4set from hands (hero) or legs (champion) which should I choose? i know that we dont normally run hands but they're hero

[slender sonnet]

I went with hero

[lyric lagoon]

ok thanks

[tawdry bear]

I struggle with Demo on the agathar hero pull. Staying still for so long while yhe tank is moving the group sucks.

[slender sonnet]

yeah

[slender sonnet]

yeah im play col

i'm having fun

[tawdry bear]

You are able to farm cata charges once you get 4 set. So completing the set is highest priority.

[lyric lagoon]

yh my point is i will complete it regardless

[old glacier]

Cries in no tier piece drops.

[unreal mountain]

Yeah Even if its low Tier Set , get them Asap then you can Farm katalyst for higher Tiers

[tawdry bear]

I have done heroic normal and lfr for raid. No tier for me.

[uneven zenith]

sorry, random question. Was PIercing Howl always a minute and a half CD?

[lyric lagoon]

I just did a raid which dropped plate tierset from each boss and every 2 hand weapon, i got 3 which was insane

[tawdry bear]

No, they nerfed us.

[uneven zenith]

rude

[tawdry bear]

We were too close to not being a wheelchair class.

Too much out of combat movement is banned from warriors.

[slender sonnet]

pretty big

need to farm 10s for my wep

[valid walrus]

What's your talent set-up with slayer for m+?

[tawdry bear]

Bruh, I really hate agathar trinket. I got a champion one... it sucks to have to cast it before pulls.

[slender sonnet]

yeah

[sacred zodiac]

your weapon is a self report

[slender sonnet]

Its ass

[slender sonnet]

[sacred zodiac]

how do you use it on arms anyways

just synced with ava or

[slender sonnet]

Just before big pulls if ava is nearly up/ready

[tawdry bear]

You can't macro it with avatar, you can't use it if you are moving. It is a cast time.

So if you do, you are waisting time of avatar.

[slender sonnet]

yy but using it before a pull where u would use ava

[tawdry bear]

I dropped my agathar for a veteran trinket from lfr. It may sim good, but the game play is punishing.

If you fail to prep it you lose a lot of damage.

[charred brook]

Honestly we should be used to it from running cursed stone idol last season

[sacred zodiac]

i dont think the game is designed in a way where you truely can be punished with puzzle box after starting the cast

at least i dont know any circles or casts that can punish you that can start after you started your channel and hit you before your channel ends

[uneven zenith]

I understand the concept of wanting to balance the skill. a slow plus a speed boost is strong, but gimme a choice node so I can take the speed boost and lose the slow. Gimme the 30 second CD back!

[tawdry bear]

I liked Piercing howl as a slow for prot. Let's me kite super big pulls. Now it isnt worth taking.

[slow saddle]

I neee 2 farm 10s for ya ringd

[heady merlin]

warrior class animations is sadly very bad atm. Lots of spells have long animations, longer than the gcd at times and it just feel slugish.

(imo)

[tropic crest]

Why arms is not on simulationcraft 290 sims?

[simple lintel]

Crafting a weapon myth does not make you loose any crests right? Since you can "refund" them by having the upgrade steps for free. Or am I thinking about this the wron gway

[slow saddle]

I mean

U loose some

20 id guess

As hc 6/6 saves u 1 upgrade

But savww u 6 hc crest

Id say thats a decent trade?

[tropic crest]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/MID1_Raid.html

Why Warrior dps specs are still not here ? 🙃

[slow saddle]

Kek

Rly dk 130k

Arms sub 100st

Waue

Even fury is far behind that

[boreal remnant]

why is your lock and mage afk

[lone raft]

is this ST boss dmg

or total dungeon

edit

[finite nacelle]

which 2h carries the most DRIP for an arms warrior

[lone raft]

disregard lmao

[slow saddle]

Sword

[finite nacelle]

why is it the Untamed Blade

[finite nacelle]

blessed

[slow saddle]

Unless orc

Then always gorehowl

[slender sonnet]

total

[finite nacelle]

great choice

i still dont have gorehowl tmog

[slow saddle]

100k boss dmg

[lone raft]

I’m reviewing the rotation if someone can help me out, for MT, ur cleaving 3 times before demolish?

[slow saddle]

Pvp enchant is lit

[slender sonnet]

yeh I love it

[slow saddle]

Its the sword axe look

[lone raft]

that’s fire

[slow saddle]

Choppa axe

Sword

I mean bis sword is forever tge paddle sword from classic

The*

[finite nacelle]

Great choice as well

I feel like maces are NOT drip for Arms

Except Titansteel Destroyer. Idk why I like that one so much

[slow saddle]

Mace has worst sfx

[finite nacelle]

I have a soft spot for this on my arms warrior

[heady merlin]

sword and axes for arms, mace for fury (and other)

[timid elk]

Polearms are king

[finite nacelle]

bold choice cotton

[candid pecan]

+10 Windrunner Spire (left is last boss dmg which is ST, right is overall dmg)

[finite nacelle]

They need to let us mog polearm + shield on protection

I would go ballistic

[boreal remnant]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=118412/greatsword-of-the-inferno

[finite nacelle]

ya'll and your sword axes

https://klipy.com/gifs/rare-reeeeee-1

pick one

[gentle gyro]

WoD remix when? Fingers crossed.

[boreal remnant]

why have one when you can have both

nah if they bring it back it means nothing

same as how the mounts now mean nothing because you just bought them on remix

just bring back challenge modes with new cool mogs

[somber pecan]

they didn't bring the challenge armours back with mop remix doubt they'd bring these back

[finite nacelle]

Yes

[somber pecan]

hate that they keep stuff locked forever for no real reason

[slow saddle]

Awfull boss as melee ngl

[tranquil oar]

Tigers what is the best enchant we got for weapons main start or vers ?

[topaz python]

just sim

[slender sonnet]

holy moly

[sacred raft]

I’m assuming this is with Colossus, right? If so, it might be time to dust off my Warrior. Though, I do wish the ST was better.

[candid pecan]

colossus yes

[old glacier]

Have you guys been playing slayer in m+?

[sacred raft]

I’ve only been using Fury. I get so bored of hitting whirlwind or clap every 4 hits.

Wish they’d do away with that system as it seems so antiquated

[tawdry bear]

I have been doing slayer, it feels good. I am just hoping they aren't removing reap the storm from sudden death.

[topaz python]

i mean you still need to thunderclap to apply rend, so its not that bad

[tawdry bear]

Rend is aoe, just use Rend.

[topaz python]

on arms yeah, Kiet said that about fury

[tawdry bear]

Isn't it aoe for every spec?

[topaz python]

thunderclap is mandatory on thane and rend is just awful to press on fury

[fading vine]

Is arms actually okay after the buffs

[somber pecan]

yeah

[fading vine]

gasp

[grave meadow]

any hope for arms or

is it cooked

when's the spec rework coming

[tawdry bear]

St is still rough, but i personally feel slayer is becoming better than colossal in dungeons. Just as a gameplay.

[halcyon valve]

Never (re: when spec rework)

[fading vine]

QQ

I might play around with arms again in dungeons then I miss arms

[fervent cedar]

Wowhead

[topaz python]

depends on the content that you're doing

[fervent cedar]

Arms overall in dungeons is quite good

Fury does better st tho and still does good aoe

[lone raft]

ur on colossus right?

[fervent cedar]

In raid fury is the clear favorite except for on lightbound vanguard

[fading vine]

Yeah I was resigned to raiding fury this season but the buffs gave me a little hope I might fuck around with arms in m+

[cobalt lodge]

Is the cleave nerf live, and if so does it effectively mean that Colo in m+ is dead?

[topaz python]

m+ arms is good, still abysmal st damage but aoe is quite allright

[minor gust]

Lol no that cleave nerf is nothing

[topaz python]

no, cleave is 35% of your damage in aoe, it wont affect your damage much
moreover, ms is buffed and you still press it in aoe, so overall aoe is buffed

[cobalt lodge]

Played colo in 2 dungeons last night and man does it feel more clunky than i remember. Its just cleave and hope that you get a good warbreaker + colo smash window

[topaz python]

arms is better when pack is not being crushed in dust by the time you hit your third cleavd

[cobalt lodge]

Yeah fairs. Still feels more fun to play than fury imo

Unfort it seems that they killed arms slayer in 12.0.5 so have to get everything out of it before that

[tough pond]

I’ll be ok if they drop reap in 12.0.5 but they gotta give us a little more than 20% to bladestorm.

I miss having to hit die by the sword before I smashed and blade stormed

[minor gust]

Slayer ain't going to be fun or playable in keys if SD doesn't do anything in aoe

Fyi

[stable gazelle]

i have a dumb question for the vast majority of fights are we running Slayer or Colossus, it feels like it should be the later

[austere solar]

As thane you use TB for both damage, rend and meat cleaver. Using rend + ww is a non sense

[cobalt lodge]

Pre 12.0.5 you mean? I certainly hope so, colo is not it for me. If you’re right then ill just shelve my warrior until later seasons

[tough pond]

Slayer will still be fine. Reap is fun, but it’s going to take a little more than the bladestorm buff to counter it

[tawdry bear]

I thought they were talking about not thane builds.

[minor gust]

[tough pond]

Big spin to wins vs procs, both feed dopamine

[slender sonnet]

yeah

[fervent cedar]

In raid you are mostly running slayer, but you can run colo on lightbound vanguard and pump with cleave

[tawdry bear]

We just need them not to remove reap the storm.

[fervent cedar]

Do you have 4pc and/or myth weap

[tawdry bear]

It does a good amount of slayers aoe damage.

[slender sonnet]

only 4p

no myth wep yet

[lone raft]

on ur opener are u spamming cleave after smash or going rend - ravager - avatar smash, demolish into cleaves

[fervent cedar]

Dang

Good trinkets too?

[slender sonnet]

I go av > cs > rend > cleave > demo > cleave cleave cleave cleave cleave cleave cleave cleave

[tough pond]

It does, a lot of people forget they added a 20% bladestorm damage buff to slayer though too.

[lone raft]

o7

[slender sonnet]

I might be doing it wrong but

Im having fun

[minor gust]

Rend before cds

[lone raft]

allegedly rend first

[fervent cedar]

I think opener in wowhead has you demolish after cleave spam + MS to build up stacks

And yes always rend first

[slender sonnet]

Oh okayu

[minor gust]

Depends if you're going into the pack with stacks or no stacks

[fervent cedar]

If i have stacks I usually just send demolish after cs

[tawdry bear]

Is that live? Because my damage in dungeons is good because of reap the storm.

[minor gust]

If you got stacks send demo before cleave spam if you don't spam your cleaves and first

[minor gust]

It's not and no matter the bladestorm buffs slayer still gonna be shit with SD having no aoe value

[lone raft]

I’m saying raw no stacks

[tough pond]

No, it’s 12.0.5

[lone raft]

and we’re taking ravager correct not BS

[minor gust]

Can't bladestorm if it's on CD most of the time because there's no reason to SD

[lone raft]

I see cleave to get stacks

[tough pond]

SD =more blade storms

[minor gust]

[tawdry bear]

I am.actually prioritizing SD in aoe for the reap the storm proc. I agree it needs to be not removed.

[minor gust]

That's the whole point of giving SD an AOE component so you do prio it in aoe

[tough pond]

Oh I’m not saying remove it, I think it’s way fun. But it’s not doomed because of it

[minor gust]

If SD doesn't have this you will practically ignore it in aoe like TWW

[fervent cedar]

A big component of slayer aoe is reap

If you do not have reap on SD and a lower proc chance on whirlwind, you effectively lose all of your additional aoe damage

[tawdry bear]

It is the play style. We want the class to feel good to play. If they remove it, it just becomes cleave spam again.

[fervent cedar]

20% on bladestorm doesn't even remotely make up the difference

[minor gust]

Slayer is very much dead in all content with these changes

[tawdry bear]

Id rather not get the 20% bladestorm and keep the reap.

[minor gust]

20% BS is nothing

[fervent cedar]

On top of the fact that in single target you can no longer proc reap

[tough pond]

Does Sd drop BS cd per proc or per hit?

[fervent cedar]

Every time you press it with an SD proc

[minor gust]

The CDR is not enough to get you to care other buttons take prio

[fervent cedar]

You're not getting bladestorm often enough to balance it out

[minor gust]

You ain't pressing a ST button in a 10T scenario just for BS CDR

[tawdry bear]

Tbh, i might.

[minor gust]

You are gonna be spamming WW and you're gonna like it

[tawdry bear]

10nseconds is huge.

[minor gust]

[tough pond]

I mean, if they changed it so it’s reduced per target hit, you might

[minor gust]

You don't need to come up with different solutions when we already have the perfect one

Giving SD AOE

That's all it needs and you send SD on proc

Everytime

[fervent cedar]

If they really want to reduce the effectiveness of reap, they at least need to do something with execute to make it a worthwhile press in aoe

[slow saddle]

Remove reap from all exept sd

Buff bladestorm 2 just fuck

[tough pond]

They need to change the bladestorm talent in the tree, single target choice with single target choice is meh

[slow saddle]

Reap on sd as only option is boss

[minor gust]

It's not it can be any kind of aoe it doesn't have to be reap

[slow saddle]

I mean yes kindda slayer wise does

I mean in my dreams sd gets talent for clappa

So exe is good on col as well

[minor gust]

That is indeed a viable option.

[slow saddle]

But reap should buff sd

[lone raft]

execute just needs to hit like a truck again

[slow saddle]

Reap on ms // cleave //bt makes stupid constraints

[slow saddle]

This does not exlude a aoe + on sds

Exe should truck

[gentle gyro]

I have never ever seen a bricked battlenet launcher

what the hell

[still fox]

so craft weapon today first prio yea?

[minor gust]

You gonna play fury at all and are you gonna be doing any mythic prog this week?

If yes you can craft the wep today. If no might as well wait to see vault next week

[lyric hound]

i see how puggin keys is gonna be this season damn

[minor gust]

The same as every season?

[lyric hound]

i have no doubt id be in more grps if my tag said fury lol

[dusk kayak]

i was 235 trying to get into mythic 0s two days as arms

after 50 rejections i just gave up and went prot

[slender sonnet]

GAMING

[verbal hearth]

I'm wanting to try out Slayer in keys, which dungeon would be most favorable? Also how bad is >300 crit going to feel?

[regal dragon]

i feel this

[dusk kayak]

yeah my ilvl dropped like 10 points because my 1h/shield was blues

still immediately got a group ofc

[lyric hound]

its a great philosophy of blizz design..."community: we don't have enough tanks, blizz: kk, lets make arms completely undesirable so those guys are forced to tank"

[devout pewter]

What was the website where you can easily see what specc people played on what boss?

[lone raft]

is a heroic strike proc prio above everything else granted no big cds are up

basically am I giving up cleaves in MT for a heroic strike proic

[elder path]

Cleave consumes your HS proc as long as it hits three targets

[lone raft]

chad ty

[elder path]

Np, this assumes you have the Fervor of Battle talent which you should if you’re in AoE spec

[minor gust]

Warcraft logs

[devout pewter]

thanks, i swear I saw someone post something that was "easier" than that

[elder path]

Archon.gg maybe?

[devout pewter]

not that it seemed like

[elder path]

Archon is just a aesthetically pleasing organizer of wclogs tho

[devout pewter]

that one is specc specific which is nice, but for now I just want: Boss > what speccs are good > what talents did they use

[elder path]

Wclogs will do that decently easily but I understand the site can be hard to navigate if you don’t use it ever

Archon does that as well

But with less functionality

[devout pewter]

yeah, barely used wclogs other than to look at my stuff and be like "those numbers look good"

😄

I'd love to, but sadly I'm not in the position where being more competetive matters

[smoky kayak]

I guess it depends on how you want to define "what specs people played"

• if you want a range of statistics, you're probably better off using Archon
• if you just want to see what the top performers used, or what the majority of players used, WCL shows that on each boss ranking page

[devout pewter]

Yeah, the wcl page for each boss, set to just "warrior" pretty much does that for me now. Just needed to click around to find where I can see their talents 😄

[smoky kayak]

likewise, you can get an overview of the build each player used on the rankings page, or click the little arrows to show a full view for that player

[devout pewter]

yep, exactly that. Took a moment to "find" that arrow 😄 Thanks alot!

[rose ibex]

These tools have been so helpful for learning the raid

I'm a monkey with a keyboard. Just tell me what to do

[dire hinge]

you can also check out tools like lorrgz or whatever that url is

https://lorrgs.io/