what is going on
#arms
umbral badger
junior remnant
And the 3 target TC
tight wing
you're welcome
umbral badger
i loved the cast time slam
with high dmg
lol
but then again that slam is not tthis slam
jovial hare
wild
slam does dmg
and people like it
umbral badger
completely different skills
mortal niche
and delete slam
tight wing
ALSO that slam worked while we moved ,right ?
varients, after TBC I think
tight wing
the classic one got interrupted by movement
umbral badger
yea i remember that now
umbral badger
feral druid mop here> the last time actual snapshotting existed
nice critcakes likes the changes as directional change too
rare kite
still cleaving in st btw
umbral badger
yea that's not changing for colossus for sure :d
hallow quail
wonder if they are going to walk back that reap on exe change
slim iron
how to send this to alt?
umbral badger
time for some boomergame
hollow wave
"WE ARE GOING TO BE VERY AGGRESSIVE WITH TUNNING ON THE FIRST WEEKS"
thick hamlet
time for some boomergame
aoe2 isn't a boomer game, it's timeless
umbral badger
aoe2 isn't a boomer game, it's timeless
yes, my little bro does not think so though xd
icy mulch
Holy shit
crimson furnace
Hello my fellow it takes to hands to hold my weapons I’m here for my weekly good now?
full obsidian
Faaaah
languid torrent
Fucking execute buffs god is good
icy mulch
I was wondering why this delve boss was taking so long. Once I beat em I realized it was on "??"
crimson furnace
So MS and Execute are going to be big numbers now?
crimson furnace
A buff is better then no buff
lapis vessel
vapid pivot
And stillllll gonna go play fury cause it will be easily better
icy mulch
Less directional nonesense, don't have to worry about the tank pulling stuff out of demolish, less micro-management of mini buffs.
flint cedar
time for some boomergame
Photon Man for when you get angry at the tribes on horses that keep owning you. 😛
icy mulch
12 and 15% Cleave down by 10%
We take those. Still not enough, but something. Would love to see them fix a few issues.
icy mulch
Current Arms pov: Still play Fury
stable fiber
r1 arms on normal
hmm
(for crown)
it felt good but i just did no damage
compared to everyone else
flint cedar
Current Arms pov: Still play Fury
unreal ivy
Like fury, but I secretly like arms more 
quasi plaza
Fury vs Arms. What is better in raid?
crimson furnace
it felt good but i just did no damage
Fury
crimson furnace
Fury vs Arms. What is better in raid?
Fury
icy mulch
https://tenor.com/view/greys-anatomy-amelia-shepherd-doom-and-gloom-why-are-you-...
Cause Blizzard has made me bitter and spiteful over the last 4 expacs.
crimson furnace
Fury vs Arms. What is better in raid?
If you’re doing professions fury is better
Arms is kind of like archaeology
quasi plaza
If you’re doing professions fury is better
Thank you. I don't understand much of this chat room because I'm Korean. So I just asked the conclusion. Thank you for your reply.
sudden topaz
Cause Blizzard has made me bitter and spiteful over the last 4 expacs.
Then stop playing or reroll
umbral badger
it felt good but i just did no damage
yea and everyone else kills everything in normal before you even do any aoe dmg :p
stable fiber
yea and everyone else kills everything in normal before you even do any aoe dmg ...
nah i got to pad hella on the last one
slim iron
can a map drop from a delve 8 even if its not a bountiful?
umbral badger
nah i got to pad hella on the last one
oh lucky you, when we did normal the warlocks deleted evrything
xd
i am saying 3 seconds deleting stuff
stable fiber
sudden topaz
Because it's normal
stable fiber
no shit
icy mulch
Then stop playing or reroll
I do from time to time. I skipped a large chunk of Shadowlands and Dragonflight. The only reason I didn't leave in TWW is because I was my guild's token warrior for 95% of it.
unreal ivy
Also one-tricking a spec is bound to make you spiteful 
icy mulch
I play all three. It's just Blizzard's attitude towards Warrior.
umbral badger
I do from time to time. I skipped a large chunk of Shadowlands and Dragonflight....
i also quit at some point because of the game poor balancing, i understand 🙂 it was even worse for me because i've historically played feral druid, enhance shaman and arms warrior, 3 of the worst specs historically speaking
and when i quit, it was still at the days where all those 3 specs were rarely getting any spotlight
icy mulch
Enhance was the meta in S1 TWW though.
umbral badger
yea i said when i quit :p
flint cedar
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LMd8mJBfFN7zj3cQ?fight=1&type=damage-done&p...
Don't show them that! They will still doom that you didn't Double Uranium Triple Platinum parse with the .0344 milisec left on the flask with the pot and BS!
umbral badger
Enhance was the meta in S1 TWW though.
to begin with TWW enhance is something new to me, has nothing to do with the days i played enhance
gentle frigate
Arms buffs enough?
umbral badger
i think enhance shaman hero talents are bad :p i think it should be "stormbringer, totemist and enhancer" in some sense
onyx rapids
am i reading this right?
cleave is nerfed and yet we expect dps increase in aoe?
lean cloak
Take current numbers. Add the relative % to it. Problem self solved.
spring vale
alternatively check Archi's post in #updates-midnight
jolly lily
YES BUFFS
formal cairn
those are all relatives, im lazy and want someone to apply those 🙂
leaden ice
6-7% increase in ST, W
minor gust
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LMd8mJBfFN7zj3cQ?fight=1&type=damage-done&p...
My cosmos R1
minor gust
Yeah it was day one
hoary palm
Are we mid tier now
Or am I still going to have to scroll to the bottom of details to see my dps
unreal ivy
dire hinge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LMd8mJBfFN7zj3cQ?fight=1&type=damage-done&p...
hey man grats <3, nice work!
dire hinge
Or am I still going to have to scroll to the bottom of details to see my dps
just pin yourself to always be shown 👀
worldly rivet
excited to see if my vault trolls me tomorrow
wooden lava
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LMd8mJBfFN7zj3cQ?fight=1&type=damage-done&p...
damn bro u were cooking
the goat
quiet bramble
yo are we BACK
vast helm
🎉
quiet bramble
oh wait 12% MS dmg
unique steppe
good time to resub if im an arms enjoyer or nah?
pine oar
In Multi-target, do we press Heroic strike if we get a proc while cleaving? or is HS pretty low prio in cleave?
quiet bramble
good time to resub if im an arms enjoyer or nah?
nah, AI is doing the class balance
unique steppe
nah, AI is doing the class balance
good to know lol
warped solstice
In Multi-target, do we press Heroic strike if we get a proc while cleaving? or i...
Hitting Cleave casts Heroic Strike for you.
pine oar
Hitting Cleave casts Heroic Strike for you.
Well that explains a lot, I feel real dumb now lol. Thanks.
warped solstice
Well that explains a lot, I feel real dumb now lol. Thanks.
NP. Take a look at your Fervor of Battle talent.
It applies to HS too.
vast helm
pine oar
NP. Take a look at your Fervor of Battle talent.
I assume in 2 target then, we priotize HS? or just hit HS after cleave is on CD?
wooden lava
@stable fiber does SS work if you pre-pull use
stable fiber
no
wooden lava
so right on pull?
thick hamlet
do you currently only MS with 2 stacks of EP in execute?
stable fiber
yes
slate plinth
nova marsh
but it cant GENERATE HS proc
More or less yes
pulsar elk
hoiw we feeling
is it enough
or are we still bleh on st
in regards to hotfixes tomorrow
stable fiber
i swear mine went away
minor gust
I was sending it 5 seconds left on pull timer all last night never went away
twilit flare
im sorry, im still upset about that 10% cleave nerf. our kit still sucks
minor gust
im sorry, im still upset about that 10% cleave nerf. our kit still sucks
Cleave was stupidly overtuned compared to the rest of our kit to an unhealthy degree. Everyone called out for ST buffs and cleave nerf
Cleave still is strong af
10% aint much
minor gust
finite ginkgo
How much is Arms Getting from Tierset?
hoary palm
Cleave nerf is fine but MS and Exe needed at least 20% buff
minor gust
How much is Arms Getting from Tierset?
3-11%
twilit flare
Why are people saying "this is fine" about getting a nerf. Do we see MM hunters on vanguards? stockholm syndrome kicking in hard rn..
I will eat what i am served
minor gust
🪤
wooden lava
then i wanted to kms
tawdry quail
my g
dire hinge
I will eat what i am served
feast up then because it's technically a buff in 3 target
it's a good change 
mortal rivet
Why are people saying "this is fine" about getting a nerf. Do we see MM hunters ...
They’re bugged
finite ginkgo
Are the Buffs live Already?
twilit flare
tomorrow sweetie
paper gulch
6-7% difference isn't gonna do shit
tame totem
paper gulch
¯_(ツ)_/¯
humble gale
6-7% difference isn't gonna do shit
vapid spire
6-7% difference isn't gonna do shit
hushed pine
6-7% difference isn't gonna do shit
stable fiber
6-7% difference isn't gonna do shit
might push it to be very good on last phase of crown
which is important
lost kernel
We are soooo back!! Great buffs S- Tier spec again 💪
red cove
Hey all was looking for some help with arms. I also know I don't have pots and enchants and that is something I need to work on, but I was wondering if I needed any cleaning up in the button pressing department. My toons name is "Ghalizor". I would greatly appreciate it!
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/B8dRn6NZ24pXPwFY?fight=11&type=damage-done
eager ibex
do we share same stats as Prot?
hexed saddle
yep
coral imp
Bandaid fixes for a broken spec. bring back overpower buffing ms and cleave damage.
summer niche
Guys guys
stable fiber
It boosts MS but it's such a small amount now
stable fiber
Certainly not losing
summer niche
Ye me too
plucky fern
but it real
stable fiber
Not winning or losing
summer niche
Atleast something
plucky fern
well this is finally a desired change that we were talking about
stable fiber
Yup
stable fiber
Anything bigger would make the spec super meta and I don't think they want to shake it up that much
plucky fern
well honestly nothing super crazy would happen if MS buff was 20% for example
stable fiber
It's st is actually pretty good in raid now
plucky fern
we still would be below middle of the pack for st
coral imp
It boosts MS but it's such a small amount now
yeah if you have the talent. Then yeah.
stable fiber
It kinda would
Would make execute phase a bit better
Which is something I want
They took that identity from us for some reason
But I'll take this
hushed pine
plucky fern
fury still will be better in raid except vanguard
its damage profile is just too good
but in m+ i guess arms is stronger now
it was already doing more overall damage but it had just cringe ST, now i suppose it should be acceptable st
primal maple
If you need to do burst dmg on adds like say heroic first boss in VS. is it better to rend before hand or just got CS >demolish > cleave spam?
sorry new arms player
plucky fern
adds in raid barely live 10 seconds so rend is a waste of gcd
slow saddle
New sim number is what
Also imagine us being happy we can compete with a spec that does mid st🤣
clever crag
Which is all we have lol
plucky fern
relax bro we are not going to get any more changes untill last titan
this last tuning was a blessing noone expected
clever crag
Its ok to just be playable
slow saddle
Also still no rage buff sadlu
slow saddle
oh so they reverted some of that 25% MS nerf
This🤣🤣🤣
clever crag
Not nerf myeelf by playing it
slow saddle
The ms nerf we got for no apparant reason u mean?🤣
clever crag
Arms was op lol
slow saddle
Ikr 🤣
novel belfry
are there any current sims out for the changes how impactful they actually might be?
slow saddle
These buffs are live now?
slow saddle
are there any current sims out for the changes how impactful they actually might...
I mean
Take current number
Multiply by
1.06
We still shit compared to dks
novel belfry
well alot of specs are shit compared to dks
slow saddle
Ted talk done😇
novel belfry
so i try to be positive 😄
slow saddle
102 103 st id venture
paper gulch
https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-gif-13746396505480870613
Not if I shoot you first
slow saddle
so i try to be positive 😄
That being said
Now our profile can handle another aura buff
novel belfry
isnt their another tuning pass after first mythic week?
slow saddle
Hmm rarely
limber apex
Still fury probably higher dps on most fights
slow saddle
If it comes usually after race
slow saddle
Still fury probably higher dps on most fights
Oh y 100%
Furys builds do better st // aoe at the same time
limber apex
Which is a shame, I miss arms
plucky fern
for me its not even about the damage, arms feels clunky asf in raid
slow saddle
Well u do play col no?
plucky fern
fury not only does more damage but also plays better
slow saddle
Fury always plays better just coz haste
limber apex
Fury feels fun with rampage spam
limber apex
Arms feels sometimes extremely janky when starved lmao
slow saddle
Yeah i mean add 10% rage increase
Which weve asked for since beta
Atm no shaman its extremely cursed
Also a rage reduction cost pf exe
primal maple
Man I love this arms spec lol
limber apex
Nah they will add mini-slam that costs 0 but generates 0
primal maple
Only reason Im even playing midnight
slow saddle
Nah they will add mini-slam that costs 0 but generates 0
I mean hs should be free
The fact that u can get starved coz of procs
limber apex
What do you love about it ?
limber apex
Right but that's true for a lot of proccy specs, procs are fun
slow saddle
I dont play a lot of specs
limber apex
Even fury with the bloodthirst thing is fun
slow saddle
To me we just need abit more rage
limber apex
Procs feel good
boreal quartz
🫴 6️⃣ 7️⃣ 🫴
random ridge
buoyant cargo
Are the arms buff live or after weekly reset?
fiery berry
Weekly reset
minor gust
arms was good on paladins before buffs
oak kite
245 arms, been getting declined from m0 for a nice 20min now. i will just sit here and try till someone accepts lmao. imagine when the season starts for real -.-
drifting apex
Does someone has a gdoc or something that show the gain dps of a 4p in mono and multi for arms and fury please?
summer niche
245 arms, been getting declined from m0 for a nice 20min now. i will just sit he...
Just open ur own group bro
The finder is and always was shit except u hve atleast 3k rating but thats not possible yet to reach
On every class its hard to get into groups as dps
sleek lintel
Is arms back??
scenic umbra
arms was good on paladins before buffs
Yeah but now not playing arms = straight trolling
minor gust
low elk
deep wounds being a talent now resulted in execute being so insanely shit that literally cleave is higher priorty in ST than execute even with a SD proc
ofc that will change tomorrow, but that doesnt make the current situation any less pathetic
minor gust
Execute was always bad for colo
minor gust
was just a slam replacement for like most of TWW
minor gust
idk about this weird fixation with DW is but its just shit tuning on blizzards end not DW
low elk
the tuning is a result of the talent. if you make a talent that deals significant damage when you press ability X then you are gonna have to tune ability X down to compensate it
if DW didnt exist, execute would have been buffed
minor gust
lol no
charred stream
Is arms better than fury now with tier set?
low elk
by the logic why isnt DW getting nerfed?
because they want people to talent into it
because its a "new" talent
thick hamlet
how are the changes a buff to multi target btw
dawn root
how are the changes a buff to multi target btw
Cleave was overtuned anyway, its still strong and MS+Execute buff makes 2 target cleave much stronger
thorn stream
fury not only does more damage but also plays better
there is a solution for that
odd ledge
fury not only does more damage but also plays better
Idk bout that,i always feel like a rogue rat when I play fury
Too fast attacks spammy
latent moss
the tuning is a result of the talent. if you make a talent that deals significan...
even with dw its still below on prio
rough pewter
new arms buff seems any good?
thick hamlet
Cleave was overtuned anyway, its still strong and MS+Execute buff makes 2 target...
ah so multi target is like vanguard, not actual mass aoe
odd ledge
its coming next reset?
Yep
rough pewter
Yep
hell yeah, one more question
should i rly play colossus on m+? slayer seems more fun
odd ledge
Slayer is better in m+
And if you have more fun even better
scenic umbra
Any sims already?
rose ibex
should i rly play colossus on m+? slayer seems more fun
Colossus typically does more aoe and less single target but they are probably closer together after the changes. Colossus leaned pretty heavy on cleave
frozen ginkgo
Maybe I just didn't practice Colossus but it always seemed so ass compared to Slayer
It's like you're just turning arms into a budget fury, but why not just play fury at that point
Whereas Slayer keeps some ST and also you play around Reap together with cleave and bladestorm for aoe
dim basalt
By that logic Slayer Arms is a budget Slayer Fury though
velvet vessel
with the buffs to arms does that mean we will see arms play in hybrid aoe and ST fights?
where fury lacks
thick kelp
fury lacks st?
weak wave
How can this result in more AoE dmg with 10% less Cleave dmg?
summer niche
Sweepin with MS/Execute
graceful sun
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069/148579713494...
SS Execute MS
summer niche
Our multitarget for 5 targets got buffed and our mass mass aoe got nerfed with cleave nerf
So not really a nerf
Just less damage from cleave which was kinds overtuned
rare kite
kinda? shit is still overtuned
steep osprey
Nerf cleave buff ST
minor gust
They need to keep doing this
were very close to the point of reverting the major nerfs we got for no reason in beta
just need another 10% cleave nerf and some buffs to DN and a lil more MS/exe buff
rare kite
buff EP to 50%
frozen ginkgo
By that logic Slayer Arms is a budget Slayer Fury though
No, the logic is you're trying to play around a single 45 second cooldown, when fury does that better with three 45 second cooldowns that sync together. Arms can play around a stronger 1-ish minute CD window instead
graceful sun
Give us back the spinny thing with the execute thing
minor gust
frozen ginkgo
wdym revert btw?
This always works for me, am I missing some drama context from beta?
steep osprey
That's from PTR
frozen ginkgo
Oh, those are future patch notes
steep osprey
Not beta
glacial pebble
12.0.5 tomorrow?
steep osprey
No
frozen ginkgo
I'm guessing they want to do that for being able to balance something better?
reef patrol
Hey guys, I see some high level arms warriors (for example Bizentein) using cleave in single target szenarios. can someone explain to me why? I just dont see the damage modifiers for cleave to justify that. Or maybe I'm blind
flat willow
I'll accept non lethal food poisoning if blizzard reverts the imminent demise nerf
graceful sun
I will chug arsenic right now
flat willow
I'm guessing they want to do that for being able to balance something better?
yes, that's how blizzard works with arms, they nerf it "to bring something better"
steep osprey
I still have stomach pains
foggy quiver
Are we saved?
steep osprey
But it was really bad yesterday
frozen ginkgo
yes, that's how blizzard works with arms, they nerf it "to bring something bette...
No, I mean maybe they want to be able to buff Reap damage when striking a single target but they can't do that with this talent in the game without overdoing AoE
steep osprey
This is probably the first time I got food poisoning
foggy quiver
Should I start gearing up my warrior?
minor gust
Hey guys, I see some high level arms warriors (for example Bizentein) using clea...
read your talents man theres plenty of cleave modifiers lmao. https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715 you can check out the wowhead priority if you need to know where cleave is in the prio
unique steppe
Should I start gearing up my warrior?
nah, cancel your sub and delete the game until blizzard gets their shit together
reef patrol
read your talents man theres plenty of cleave modifiers lmao. https://discord.co...
that is exactly what I'm talking about. Cleave has no single target modifiers
steep osprey
read your talents man theres plenty of cleave modifiers lmao. https://discord.co...
Does this nerf reduce cleave prio during ravager?
rare kite
I still have stomach pains
might as well eat something spicy if you're already hurting
frozen ginkgo
might as well eat something spicy if you're already hurting
Whitest shit I've ever read in my life
minor gust
Does this nerf reduce cleave prio during ravager?
lol sadly no still gonna be using cleave in ST
rare kite
Whitest shit I've ever read in my life
real. i am pretty white
astral yarrow
lol sadly no still gonna be using cleave in ST
less so, but cleave good
steep osprey
lol sadly no still gonna be using cleave in ST
Should have buffed slam ngl
minor gust
astral yarrow
just think of cleave as blade dance for dh - free multi target from your ST rotation 
reef patrol
Ah I see its because cleave does 20% more damage while the target is below 35% health. Thanks guys, except @minor gust for not being helpful at all
graceful sun
<:Cleave:592472222514282527>
steep osprey
Damn
astral yarrow
called out
rare kite
I thought white people don't eat spicy food
depends on the white person i guess. most other scandinavians definetely do not handle spice
subtle cloak
Is arms saved now and dungeon s-tier?
minor gust
man wanted me to read for him
steep osprey
Can't be dungeon S tier with that ST
subtle cloak
Can't be dungeon S tier with that ST
But it got buffs 🥺
steep osprey
depends on the white person i guess. most other scandinavians definetely do not ...
Its not that I can't handle spice, I just don't like it
astral yarrow
depends on the white person i guess. most other scandinavians definetely do not ...
At an indian restaurant in spain, i wasnt allowed to get the spiciest version, as he put it "you are too european"
steep osprey
astral yarrow
i am galvanized inside
reef patrol
man wanted me to read for him
no but while taking the time to give me an answer with no real information you could have just given the answer. Things that I just dont understand why ppl always have to be like that
astral yarrow
Yes, but India isnt
steep osprey
Fair
somber pecan
no but while taking the time to give me an answer with no real information you c...
yeah but he doesent actually have to do anything for you
graceful sun
At an indian restaurant in spain, i wasnt allowed to get the spiciest version, a...
invents all the hottest curries in the world still bullied
minor gust
no but while taking the time to give me an answer with no real information you c...
or I can show you where to find the information yourself!
rare kite
At an indian restaurant in spain, i wasnt allowed to get the spiciest version, a...
lmaoo i've never experienced not being allowed to buy the spiciest. tho i have gotten warnings several times about the spice, only time where it was too spicy was in thailand. where i got warned twice, was not a good idea.
steep osprey
Why do people want to suffer with spicy food
It's just uncomfortable and annoying to me
rare kite
it's good
minor gust
Why do people want to suffer with spicy food
Spicy food is peak
I make everything spicy
steep osprey
Yeah and that's why they changed SD
somber pecan
scottish vindaloo leaves you with a sore ass for a day
minor gust
Yeah and that's why they changed SD
no seasoning type change
astral yarrow
lmaoo i've never experienced not being allowed to buy the spiciest. tho i have g...
Father in law has a vacation home in the south of spain, so i got my revenge last time. Their spiciest is good, but it sort of detracts from the meal at that point. I miss SEA spice though. Something about the sweetness of the spicy in the way asia cooks it is amazing
steep osprey
no seasoning type change
Lmao
rare kite
I make everything spicy
yee same. got my habanero mango hot sauce on most things
minor gust
astral yarrow
scottish vindaloo leaves you with a sore ass for a day
thats a feature, not a bug
steep osprey
Yeah that's what I'm talking about
Spicy food distracts from the meal
I can't enjoy it
minor gust
you want just enough to enjoy what your eating
steep osprey
I can eat spicy food if it's not overdone
latent moss
on bro
steep osprey
On bro?
minor gust
why are we on bro what did he do?
flat willow
no but while taking the time to give me an answer with no real information you c...
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime
steep osprey
why are we on bro what did he do?
Bro changed reap to not proc from SD
latent moss
fishy reference
minor gust
Bro changed reap to not proc from SD
astral yarrow
https://klipy.com/gifs/fish-feed-1
@fresh spire
jade oyster
r we back
flat willow
right now we are on the " the fisherman just gave us a tasty bait " arc
so you might say we are on the back
until they remove reap the storm from sudden death procs
flat willow
then we'll be on the " this is so joever " arc
graceful sun
The arashi is going to be benched from the CE team arc has been indefinitely postponed
rare kite
Father in law has a vacation home in the south of spain, so i got my revenge las...
indeed. asian food is peak
steep osprey
indeed. asian food is peak
Do you like chicken Thai curry
minor gust
just had to pad enough
Cant pad anymore 10% cleave nerf its over delete the button cleave bad now. We are ethical full ST arms warriors now BIG MS BIG EXE
modest pebble
U guys Play Arms in m+?
latent moss
yes
graceful sun
yes
latent moss
Cant pad anymore 10% cleave nerf its over delete the button cleave bad now. We a...
real
rare kite
Do you like chicken Thai curry
ofcourse
steep osprey
That's one of my favorite dishes
latent moss
just gotta lock in more now
steep osprey
Why did they buff Execute more than MS
latent moss
pad more to offset the 10% cleave nerf
rare kite
can't think of any thai food i've disliked
graceful sun
Why did they buff Execute more than MS
because it's shit to press but it's called execute
steep osprey
Was execute not doing well?
steep osprey
Probably still won't
steep osprey
I'd rather they just gave Execute like 30 rage cost instead of the additional rage cost it has
latent moss
graceful sun
<:Cleave:592472222514282527>
goat
minor gust
new colossus talent SD procs a big ass cleave that applies rend
steep osprey
rare kite
Was execute not doing well?
the damage of execute itself wasn't that high
flat willow
final cleave...
minor gust
execute was meh then it took like a 20% nerf
carmine flower
Pvp buffs ace
minor gust
for funny reasons
steep osprey
latent moss
keep winning
minor gust
(insert Lizzard gif spaming cleave here)
steep osprey
Are you bro in this instance
steep osprey
https://tenor.com/view/fish-wtf-face-gif-3910649995586292876
I haven't seen you since the buffs
summer niche
(insert Lizzard gif spaming cleave here)
minor gust
minor gust
no bro
glacial pebble
Ok
minor gust
that shit not coming out for another month or 2
austere cairn
Are arms buff live now on eu ?
glass compass
Class Tuning Incoming - 25 March
Mortal Strike damage increased by 12%.
Execute damage increased by 15%.
Cleave damage reduced by 10%.
maths to a 1.1705% dps loss on that cleave fight with colossuss (I'm guessing this is Lightblinded)
I think I'm massively simplifying as execute damage/mortal strike damage doesn't just impact that spell's damage
@smoky kayak posted this as a ~4-5% multitarget buff, as well as a ~6-7% single target buff, in the updates channel- I'd just go with that
knotty gale
that shit not coming out for another month or 2
you taling about these? https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/class-tuning-incoming-march-24-2276710
or different ones?
flat willow
I remember frost dk being pretty damn bad
plucky fern
it was still better than arms
flat willow
they were like top 3 starting from the bottom
plucky fern
anyway fdk was strong for an entire expansion time to step away
sharp wyvern
but their raid buff
unreal ivy
Gotta get people to play the new shiny things somehow 
astral yarrow
If p2 on alleria exists in mythic, 2 dks are sort of required. BDK kinda blows, so its most likely whichever dps dk that makes the most sense you bring 2 of
granite compass
Can warriors be an execute class again tho 🙁
fresh spire
When warrior is a pure execute class its usually worse overall
When Ms fucks arms fucks
#armslore
latent moss
fore i go broke like joc
latent moss
When Ms fucks arms fucks
the only truth
minor gust
fossil root
Are we back?
astral yarrow
When Ms fucks arms fucks
but the argus video
shit thats fury
when the execute setup in nyalotha worked, it was straight dopamine though
All of that, just to be a budget mage with no cleave
latent moss
didnt play nyalotha but
s2 and s3 df
was dopamine
neltharion 35% lust
larodar 35% pi + lust
fresh spire
Scantum arms
latent moss
60% tom into cs + ava + trinket
fresh spire
latent moss
Scantum arms
goat
fresh spire
Me when execute best
Also me when the 11 year old says a slur 50 times in a row during rwf stream
That clip is wild
weak wave
Class Tuning Incoming - 25 March
Mortal Strike damage increased by 12%.
Execute ...
With this will Slayer be closer to Colossus AoE than it is now?
sharp wyvern
technically yes
daring flicker
40/40/10/10
sharp wyvern
closer but not even close
rare kite
Also me when the 11 year old says a slur 50 times in a row during rwf stream
When did this happen
fresh spire
Was during one of methods streams
Some kid randomly just started saying it over snd over
astral yarrow
60% tom into cs + ava + trinket
that was nyalotha execute, just with 100% crit chance+a million str from trinkets along with endless rage from the essence used
sharp wyvern
did you use condemn tho
astral yarrow
coral + the aszhara trinket and then lucid dreams into 1 button rotation
latent moss
exe exe exe/op ms
zinc yacht
How do we get Blizzard to bring back Focused Rage?
halcyon valve
We dont
zinc yacht
I want tho
zinc yacht
Yo if Slam made my MS fuck like FR did, I'd be all for it
FR + EP legendary was peak Arms gameplay
fresh spire
Really wasn't. Glad you enjoyed gcds that did nothing
zinc yacht
It wasn't on the gcd
flat willow
they lowered our rage generation because we couldn't do anything with it
obviously focused rage would bring back rivers of rage and mountains of skulls
quartz lake
Lads be honest
Do the buffs coming this reset make arms worth playing again? Like, will it be comparable to fury, or is this still too little?
inland ingot
Lads be honest
Do the buffs coming this reset make arms worth playing again? Lik...
I’m still playing Arms in the dungeon and delves context, feels OK
fresh spire
St still on lower side but it is a buff none the less
They should have also buffed slam and op 10%
inland ingot
They should have also buffed slam and op 10%
Tbf, I’d rather have them reduce rage cost on HS
I keep finding myself in situations where I am basically rage starving
untold pewter
Lads be honest
Do the buffs coming this reset make arms worth playing again? Lik...
Not quite comparable to fury but if you HATE fury and absolutely can't stand it then it's well, a little better
quartz lake
Not quite comparable to fury but if you HATE fury and absolutely can't stand it ...
I hate Mountain Thane, but it just performs so much better in m+ than slayer
untold pewter
Tbh in m+ I don't think it's a problem
quartz lake
Was hoping I could go arms for dungeons 😔
untold pewter
Arms is alright for dungeons
ST still painful but the aoe is very good
tacit moat
HS deadass should just be no rage.
sleek pelican
Hello guys, i'm quite new as warr main.
I have a question regarding these new changes - does these new changes make arms viable in dungers and raids? and when i mean viable i mean contender to fury
thorn stream
Fury still better but gap is closer
simple lintel
Contender in damage? Probably not. Contender in enjoyment? It already is more fun
vapid goblet
But fury is bad...
eager sigil
Hello guys, i'm quite new as warr main.
I have a question regarding these new ch...
its viable for all content unless you are in the world first race
vapid goblet
shrewd adder
Fury player are siners
untold pewter
Nah
Antagonize the correct people
The people in charge of tuning
They are siners
untold pewter
sleek pelican
aight thanks guys!
umbral badger
Fury and people in charge of tuning are siners
you caught me, guilty as "charged"
umbral badger
Focus rage is just slam
how dare you sir, focused rage preparing for a burst phase beforei t comes, and stacking damage before cds are ready that was epic !
shrewd adder
you caught me, guilty as "charged"
You monster 🤣
rain cipher
Are we still flat damage profile?
grizzled flame
how dare you sir, focused rage preparing for a burst phase beforei t comes, and ...
loved popping battle cry+CS+and a fully FR'd MS on some poor schmuck in pvp and just blinking them out of existence in launch Legion but I get why they took it from us
rancid willow
Schmuck*
Put some respect on the word.
sharp wyvern
*trinket
grizzled flame
Schmuck*
Put some respect on the word.
Yessir
odd ledge
i hate playing colossus, telling my brain not to execute and cleaving in execute
its so dumb
sharp dust
Ngl i wish they gave us more rage
modest marlin
I get to craft a weapon after my first +2 this week, yay
zinc yacht
Yo, you guys playing Slayer or Colossus in m+? Colossus outperforms overall, but the ST is just so ass
icy mulch
loved popping battle cry+CS+and a fully FR'd MS on some poor schmuck in pvp and ...
Good times, good times. Even in Cataclysm, Arms pvp was so satisfying.
paper gulch
Yo, you guys playing Slayer or Colossus in m+? Colossus outperforms overall, but...
Don’t worry it’ll be 6-7% less ass today
flat willow
halcyon valve
tacit sandal
So according to archi,our multitarget is 4-5% better .How come if our cleave is nerfed and our single target spells are buffed?
tacit sandal
Yea,but still
tacit sandal
But it is two target situation?
gentle gyro
Are we saved boiz?
Yeah sure buddy, now we'll do bm hunter damage 🥀 🥀
grizzled stump
I saw a video saying Arms colossus is way more difficult than fury overall, why is that? Or why would that be, is there a subtle nuance to the spec Im missing?
slow saddle
Ut us
sturdy flicker
What was the buff as % gain st?
I feel like they should just give us giga execute again
rapid bronze
does anyone know if we get a catalyst charge this week
rapid bronze
yeah but was wondering if it's supposed to start this week or last week with the rotation, since usually you either got a half spark or catalyst charge every week
modest marlin
We didn't get the catalyst charge til this week so
astral yarrow
just pvpgodx to 1600 and you have an extra 
astral yarrow
tank specs should be banned in pvp outside rbgs 😡
gentle gyro
I feel like they should just give us giga execute again
Hold your horses. It's gonna be a C tier spec at best and we should be thankful
astral yarrow
Hold your horses. It's gonna be a C tier spec at best and we should be thankful
best i can do is WW spam in ST
sorry bud
rapid bronze
just pvpgodx to 1600 and you have an extra <:ratge:890357732543168594>
I did but I didn't get any tier in the raid this week
gentle gyro
Death of Slayer is inevitable
worldly rivet
Death of Slayer is inevitable
I'm enjoying it while I can.
astral yarrow
I did but I didn't get any tier in the raid this week
why would you subject yourself to CBT if you didnt complete the tier
modern cove
The problem right now is that fury can spec thane and the whirlwint talent and have super competitive ST and AOE. Arms cant.
worldly rivet
Yeah but you have to use whirlwind
unreal mountain
We gonna send cleave on St if add or Boss is 35 % Instead of exe ?
gentle gyro
Nuke the whole spec tree imo
modern cove
The arms tree just cant compete with fury in design
gentle gyro
worldly rivet
Replace Avatar with an Avenging Wrath type CD where you get stronger during it as you use abilities.
rapid bronze
why would you subject yourself to CBT if you didnt complete the tier
I always go for 1950/duelist for the weapon illusion every season, usually get the extra catalyst charge on pvp before m+
my guild takes a couple of weeks for aotc
astral yarrow
is the illusion good this time around or does it blow like all of them since legion
slow saddle
The problem right now is that fury can spec thane and the whirlwint talent and h...
Ngl thane is goated in raid
rapid bronze
is the illusion good this time around or does it blow like all of them since leg...
they've been pretty good ngl about 70% of the time. Shadowflame from s2 dragonflight is goated, TWW holy fire and arcane were both very good, and so was the fyrakk season in DF, but they don't always fit warrior weapons
I've been using the arcane one with the mythic polearms from last season with the new purple mog from 1800 pvp
astral yarrow
I want the meaty ones like the MoP and Legion ones. Only DF S2 came close
rapid bronze
yeah shadowflame was perfect, especially with ashkandur and the legendary axe
unreal mountain
Guys, we use still cleave on St instead of exe ? Or only if add or Boss is below 35%
ivory quartz
shadowflame was so good it made me pvp to get it
i got arcane last season too that ones pretty good
rapid bronze
this is the current pvp mog with the arcane enchant from last season
yeah idk how to remove fucking screen captured
astral yarrow
yeah idk how to remove fucking screen captured
win+shift+s my man
twilit flare
this is the current pvp mog with the arcane enchant from last season
Kinda ugly with two swords
You should go see the Furry channel
astral yarrow
if i hadnt told you, the next photo would be with your phone
twilit flare
the audacity to not even change specs and spam us with your ugly tmog
astral yarrow
had to intervene
rapid bronze
you are a god
rapid bronze
the audacity to not even change specs and spam us with your ugly tmog
my pvp skills were not good enough to overcome the... challenges arms was facing this week
twilit flare
then you are a furry, thats it
twilit flare
Thank you.
topaz condor
How much dps % increase the buff is on ST please ?
rapid bronze
~6-7% in single target and ~4-5% in higher multitarget, it's in the updates channel
twilit flare
We will gain about 600 dps in multitarget, as MS and execute damage increased from 2k to 2.4k
topaz condor
so it sucks
finite nacelle
are we back?
stable fiber
But how is it a buff in multitarget, our dps in dungeon is mainly cleave 😒
It's not a gain in higher multitarget
Smaller multitarget it is though
verbal jacinth
Arms is saved. No more notes, perfectly made.
topaz condor
what did u expect?
something relevant :d
topaz condor
Arms is saved. No more notes, perfectly made.
stilll waaay too far
stable fiber
Spec is fine
stable fiber
Raid turned out alright for arms even with shittier tuning
astral yarrow
Where we sim now?
just short of 95k
sage bison
Arms owns?
topaz condor
Raid turned out alright for arms even with shittier tuning
naa, it turned out alright on first and 5th boss xd
vapid pine
This has to be the tier where ST sims have the least relevance so far though
stable fiber
^^^^
slow saddle
This has to be the tier where ST sims have the least relevance so far though
Kindda d
vapid pine
Every fight is just pure add spam 4fun
vapid pine
Give me a single Ky'veza man to just pump
Every boss reclears is just gonna be 20 people trying to pad on tiny irrelevant adds
sage bison
Every boss reclears is just gonna be 20 people trying to pad on tiny irrelevant ...
cant wait for the WCL all star adjustments
torn rivet
did blizz remove the animation of execute in sweeping strikes where you would do a huge horizontal slash instead of vertical?
sage bison
did blizz remove the animation of execute in sweeping strikes where you would do...
i made a ticket about this
they said i was delusional
torn rivet
its legit not there anymore
vapid pine
cant wait for the WCL all star adjustments
Remove all bosses Smilege
Boss damage parses only on all bosses
sage bison
Yeah i literally dont know why its gone, it was such a noticeable animation that made sense
warlocks just gonna cry "adds need to die bro "
torn rivet
i mean chur but
it looked great
it even made big sparks too
its what I noticed first about it, it had extra effects compared to a regular execute. as if horizontally swinging a chainsaw instead of a sword lol
and well now its just gone
sage bison
considering everything cept the environments/creative teams, im not surprised, blizzard quality = 📉
torn rivet
yea, their HR & DEI departments still going strong on the layoffs and mass hiring of incompetence
sage bison
from meme level delve boss, to bugged WQ, to tuning, to cooked spark handling on alts, to abundance bullshit
plus damage meters
torn rivet
yea no, if I knew midnight would be such a fail (and if I wouldn'tve been addicted to arms) i wouldn't have subbed
sage bison
Claude.code level quality
torn rivet
claude sometimes pumps some good code.. but this is miserable
worst expansion I have ever witnessed
sage bison
Yeah idk, i try not to be a doomer, cause i love wow and midnight is hype
but the cracks are starting to show
torn rivet
its not about being a doomer but man just how many times you gotta piss in my wallet and say its raining
i understand midnight was somewhat rushed. crappy start too. Bad marketing too
but now dogshit class balancing, horrible content balancing too
that joke of "abundance"?
filler content at best
sage bison
Yeah considering how long the testing was for beta (and prob alpha) its brutal
torn rivet
the quests are all the same iteration of "collect, kill, interact with, place x"
zero effort expac
frail crown
Hi guys is arms cooking today or it’s being cooked? 🤔
sage bison
Hi guys is arms cooking today or it’s being cooked? 🤔
its not gonna be meta or anything
its playable
frail crown
Hopefully enough to get accepted into groups
sage bison
fuck naw
torn rivet
nah
frail crown
Public eye is rough 🙁
torn rivet
Lmao
frail crown
Lmaooo
torn rivet
you gonna have to make ur own keys
sage bison
people will still take fury over arms any day
sage bison
yeah thats crazy
torn rivet
even revves gets declined in m+ pugs with arms
frail crown
you gonna have to make ur own keys
🥲🥲🥲🥲 bro pls haha
torn rivet
im not joking
frail crown
Nah I feel u
torn rivet
I did that for a whole 3 expansions
But the second I played marksmanship hunter?
insta invite everywhere
split patrol
Replace Avatar with an Avenging Wrath type CD where you get stronger during it a...
Buddy that's Test of Might from BFA
sage bison
torn rivet
sage bison
frail crown
Yea even in m0 I had to switch to prot cuz I refuse to go fury
torn rivet
I mean, I got nothing against fury but it becomes bland real quick
sage bison
yeah i was forced to fury for MFO prog, never again
id rather play rogue in its current state
frail crown
Yea I can’t deal
torn rivet
id rather play rogue in its current state
holy based
frail crown
id rather play rogue in its current state
Rogue is basically dagger fury rn
With stealth
sage bison
Rogue is literally an additional affix ur raid team takes upon itself
frail crown
Talking bout secret technique -.-
frail crown
Rogue is literally an additional affix ur raid team takes upon itself
Lmao extra healing game
torn rivet
and replace icons with arms abilities
frail crown
LOL
worldly rivet
Buddy that's Test of Might from BFA
Sir I did not play that anime expansion
Oh NVM though to put DF
worldly rivet
I couldn't handle the setting and characters. Logged in and noped out
split patrol
Arms was the best in BFA
frail crown
split patrol
S4 hack and slash build
torn rivet
yeah, no. dragonflight was a fever trip to disneyland
i hated it
and those femboy ass dracthyrs...
I wanted to be a jacked dragon instead i got a stickman with scales
sage bison
Arms was the best in BFA
bleeds + forced gettiku was kinda lame imo
wild crow
Buddy that's Test of Might from BFA
Never want to see Test of Might ever again 🤮
leaden garnet
So, most recent buffs. Arms is going from worst DPS spec to second worst DPS spec? Or are we still the bottom?
torn rivet
still bottom
wild crow
Outlaw exists so arms is fine in blizz eyes
somber pecan
twilight detestation and the crazy haste in bfa was so much fun
flint cedar
Jee golly I can't wait to check out my favorite Arms discord chat where most people are happy that we got some emergency buffs that helped our class!
torn rivet
Xd
gentle gyro
Jee golly I can't wait to check out my favorite Arms discord chat where most peo...
So you really think that's enough?
flat willow
The numbers would be fine if you didn't have to sacrifice all your aoe to achieve under 100k in single target, I just want one of these fancy talent trees where the aoe build is 2 talents from the single target build
gentle gyro
As I said before, nuke the entire spec tree
shy oyster
Wish most talent trees had the similar design of equal minding between ST and AoE. So players of their desired and/or beloved class/specs can tailor it to their own playstyle
not having fun with 'X class is famous fo X' situations anymore...
torn rivet
Wish most talent trees had the similar design of equal minding between ST and Ao...
how I too wish that would've been true for arms
for unholy, that is true tho
gentle gyro
If the build swap was instantaneous with a macro or two I would not mind.
flat willow
I love the niche of owning when 2 bosses are standing next to another (one boss every 10 years)
shy oyster
^ Its things like this that may have had value in the past but not so much more now
torn rivet
its things like that where hunters can have permanent 2 target cleave and still hit harder than arms
torn rivet
flat willow
Never since they are destroying reap the storm
shy oyster
Also yeah, whilst it is indeed inevitable that a meta will always exist, as is the nature of players and their relationship with gaming, having clear flaws in the mechanics of a spec shouldn't really be besmirched and ignored 🙁
gentle gyro
Completely rework Col stacks and demolish we coo
shy oyster
Like, I doubt any one of us would care if Arms was still bottom, so long if it -functioned- with the potential to be great still
gentle gyro
As long as I get invited sure
torn rivet
if I could somehow balance my ratios of Aoe and single-target, yes
gentle gyro
I just don't have the time to sit afk in a major hub for hours
shy oyster
Yeaaaah, I didn't bring up qeue times and popularity as there's much more to that than just the spec itself
We'd be fighting for S++++ tier gaming at that point and i am not that kind of orc 😂
torn rivet
look I'm not asking to be invited in 20s
but being above the curve and then having ppl leave my key cuz I play arms and not fury
happened to me in tww
torn rivet
Agreed
slow saddle
Furys flexibility needs 2 come at a top dmg gain ofc
somber pecan
i never had issues getting into groups with arms when it was kinda shit before
torn rivet
Fury should be able to do both somewhat well but arms should have access to extremes
slow saddle
Same with other classes
gentle gyro
look I'm not asking to be invited in 20s
I couldn't get invited anywhere in S3, midnight is even worse it seems
somber pecan
level own key is easy profit
slow saddle
At least like uhdk still is bad at targrt switcin and ahit
gentle gyro
I am not asking for +20s
flint cedar
Usually bonker buffs come after this rwf shit is done. I hate "sports" in my vidja games.
gentle gyro
Basically it boils down to how much free time you got. Some people can sit afk all day and get invited as arms, sure
But the community clearly picks it's favorites
shy oyster
Ill stay out of the discussions of wait times 😂 I joined communities and guilds to solve that
Caveat is that its harder to find for 12+ groups but i've been a healthy bean ever since
torn rivet
i cant join communities or guilds for M+
either i lose my mind with the bozos I have to play
or I start saying n word like pilav all day and 80% of the guild soys out
shy oyster
oop
torn rivet
nomad life for me
shy oyster
I mean, at least you understand yourself and your nature 😂
torn rivet
Lol
shy oyster
I aint paying anyone's sub, up to them on how they figure it out \o/
torn rivet
Basically it boils down to how much free time you got. Some people can sit afk a...
well I suppose I and most of us here would agree that we could call the game "balanced" as long as the top spec and bottom spec are within a reasonable 10-15% performance margin from eachother
HOWEVER, we are like... god knows how much 60% or so away from top specs
no one can tell me "arms is fine" when it's objectively trash
cobalt lodge
okay gotta say, even though the numbers arent there yet, but arms is incredibly fun to play
i do wonder if i should play fury in delves tho
torn rivet
I think so, yeah..thane has great survivability and fury by default is tankier than arms
shy oyster
Yeah. Cleave is really hard carrying us right now when it shouldn't be. Keke gotta love that moment when your eyes flash red as soon as a another mob goes into cleave range of your current target.
"Just a little closer..."
gentle gyro
I really don't understand how is it hard to balance a seperate spec, but instead one spec always has to suffer because of the overpowered hero talents.
When Col was insane for prot, arms took the bullet.
When Slayer was insane for fury, arms took the bullet again.
Okay fuck it, just boost core spec abilities and then adjust hero talents accordongly
cobalt lodge
ah so will arms be even more shit in m+ after reset since cleave got nerfed?
shy oyster
Nah
torn rivet
Not really, i believe the boys made the maths and its a 6% dps increase?
shy oyster
Cleave still your go-to. its only a 10% nerf.
cobalt lodge
ah i guess more power towards your sweeping windows?
but yeah arms does feel incredibly meaty and fun to play. it doesnt suffer tremendously from the current gcd issues that fury does have. similar to frost dk, where gcd's feel incredibly sluggish and laggy
was a huge post about it on reddit
shy oyster
Just a bit more for sweeping aye
torn rivet
but yeah arms does feel incredibly meaty and fun to play. it doesnt suffer treme...
that is true
at least in that department
uncut yacht
Why do people want to suffer with spicy food
don't get it either
it's like a performative masochistic kink?
uncut yacht
'Oh yea, i love my food like a diarrhea of lava'
torn rivet
eh its not really like that