arms

[wicked aurora]

I'd rather have consistent small needle movements over big changes

[sharp wyvern]

they only needed to redesign our apex talents give us a 15% aura buff and now this

now we are finally ok

[shy dew]

yeah

[elder path]

As far as tuning goes its undeniably the correct direction

[fossil thistle]

"ok" grain of salt

[vast drum]

how big of a gain are changes in ST?

[shy dew]

they just need rework almost every talent of our spec tree and apex talent to be decent

[arctic iris]

I wish that the original introduction for hero talents deleted colossus and slayer

Both are kinda blech

[fossil thistle]

prob like 5%?

[sharp wyvern]

i wish they deleted hero talents at the start of midnight

[wicked aurora]

slayer is sick af

[wet island]

It’s not so much glaive as it is the crazy 1000 cuts animation on soul cleave and blade dance

[wicked aurora]

wtf are you on

[dim jay]

kinda agree, i love thane, refused to play colossus even when it was meta for prot lol

[sharp wyvern]

hero talents are the most restricting thing they ever gave us

[wicked aurora]

and colo is huge hit

[shy oyster]

ill take this over nothing and fuck all communication.

again, i dont want super ST to go with our frankly stupid AoE, i just want to be functional on BOTH

[pale glade]

Thank you, for some reason I pulled the sim data from Colossus and didn't notice. I smooth brain, confirm 4%

[shy dew]

Slayer > thane > colossus

at gameplay style

[wet island]

Colossus is awesome and the best cuz you’re yuge

[elder path]

Real

[unborn canyon]

no, we cant say this is enough

[arctic iris]

Slayer made us spend a whole expansion doing Juggernaut stack juggling bullshit and was actively miserable

Colossus is yet another example of The One Guy at blizzard who for some reason likes to roam from melee spec to melee spec, giving them rooted channels

[viscid oar]

Time to play Arms again

[unborn canyon]

we arent back, we need to complain more

[dim jay]

I dislike colossus because they made me play with a cast time artifact ability for legion (prot) and i hate cast times as a melee dps or tank

[fossil thistle]

we need

pvp buff

[wicked aurora]

and that was a slayer problem?

[dire dust]

Trueee

[wicked aurora]

Pretty sure that was a jugg problem

[umbral badger]

GUYS GUYS good news guys is that this last min changes will make slayer arms very competitive, but you won't be doing more damage than tanks as colossus in m+

[arctic iris]

Yes, because of the drastically increased proc rate on Sudden Death, you could maintain jugg stacks the entire fight. It was not possible without slayer.

[wicked aurora]

but it was

[umbral badger]

12% mortal damage is not gonna fix the colossus single target crises

[wicked aurora]

prot didn't have slayer and did the same thing

[shy dew]

man i dislike colossus because they need to rework Demolish, make it together when u use CS and press it again it become demolish and don't be this shit to stand still casting, a warrior casting is like a Bm hunter playing in melee

[unborn canyon]

their jug lasted 20 seconds

arms lasted 12

[wicked aurora]

thank you for proving the point that jugg was the problem

[shy dew]

or rage generation

[umbral badger]

and they need to reduce the number of talents needed to swap between cleave and single target, i promise you this buff is purely great for slayer arms but nnot colossus imo

[unborn canyon]

ah, i was just saying the reason why they were able to do it without slayer

[wicked aurora]

SLAYER IS THE PROBLEM>>>points to talent that isn't a part of slayer

[thick hamlet]

i got a 4.4% increase with the changes on ST

[worldly rivet]

Slayer is great.

[dim jay]

make Demolish effectively replace Csmash and i think i'd like colossus

[lyric hound]

@thick hamlet wheres that sit us?

[worldly rivet]

Colossus is just a cleave simulator.

[plain latch]

nice job with the sandbagging guys we got the buffs

[arctic iris]

I mean, Juggernaut existed in DF and was not a problem until Slayer came around in TWW and suddenly turned the entire fight into a stupid minigame of trying to keep your stacks

Slayer Arms felt sorta like Condemn Arms from SL where you were trying to keep Ashen Juggernaut stacks, except even more annoying because you had to do it for the whole fight

[sudden owl]

guys with the changes is arms the best spec in the game now

[thick hamlet]

right where balance druid is on heroic salhadaaar with 90% percentile

[odd ledge]

always was

numbers dont define us

[wicked aurora]

except for the fact that execute was ass almost the entirety of DF and needed a tier set to actually feel like a good button

[shy dew]

in our heart is

[wicked aurora]

jugg just bad talent

[tough wing]

Bros. Are we back??

[viscid crater]

No, but closer!

[wicked aurora]

the only "good" version of jugg was in legion and even then

meh

[unborn canyon]

no, continue to yell at blizz

[tight wing]

Are we at least viable now lol

[arctic iris]

Jugg is a bad talent, but everything about Slayer either revolves around Jugg or revolves around Bladestorm, and neither one feels good

It's a poorly designed hero talent on a conceptual level

[unborn canyon]

no, continue to yell at blizz

[tight wing]

Cool

[tranquil oar]

no way guys

[odd ledge]

close the discord

[dim jay]

i screm

[tranquil oar]

Copilot blessed us !

[wicked aurora]

I disagree that bladestorm feels like a bad button

[odd ledge]

on st it def does

[shy dew]

if they continue buffing our ST and don't kill cleave where is like 50% of our damage, will be

[wicked aurora]

eh

[odd ledge]

i dont feel bladestorm in st

AT ALL

[brazen laurel]

Pin me, Arms is so back

[tight quarry]

are the changes making arms playeble?

[prisma bobcat]

spin to win

[lyric hound]

Ahh now I’m having to decide if I’m gonna roll arms or swap to MM. at least it feels like it’s probably viable now for mythic

And cleave didn’t even get hit as much as I thought it would

[tranquil oar]

imagine youre garen with 1 point in E then

[sharp wyvern]

*mythic +

[odd ledge]

lmao

im a dota player but i get it

jugger with lvl 1 bladestorm

[lyric hound]

Not if my guild lets me lmao

[wicked aurora]

BS is iconic

[dim jay]

execute spec put 5 point sin R

[wet island]

I like to pretend I’m nightmare from soul calibur

[sharp wyvern]

you better hope you wont have 1% wipes

[stuck axle]

New buff

We happy

[wicked aurora]

and honestly I think the reason why people think it feels bad in ST is because blizz made rage meaningless

[opaque ferry]

cleave nerf

xD

[odd ledge]

yea

[rapid bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[odd ledge]

cleave nerf is more than reasonable

fk that

[rapid bronze]

Best spec in the game

[shy dew]

i dont know if its just me, but i feel like next week they'll nerf cleave again and again

[wicked aurora]

bring back lower rage gen

and BS/MS stonks go up

[rapid bronze]

Bring back dragon roar

[brave silo]

would these changes put slayer ahead on paladins over collos?

[wicked aurora]

real

[worldly rivet]

Bladestorm has some great uses. While everyone gets knocked back by Chimaerus, I'm still still spinning to win.

[steep osprey]

Nice ST buffs

Cleave deserved that nerf

[wicked aurora]

I mean knockbacks are just free rage

[unborn canyon]

lol, no

[wicked aurora]

[worldly rivet]

Let's me afk longer.

[runic surge]

Arms still the choice for lightblinded vanqs?

[olive nest]

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-awesome-gif-14611487

[worldly rivet]

And I don't have rage issues by the time the knock backs happen

[tropic eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/john-wick-im-back-im-thinking-im-back-baba-yaga-people-keep-asking-gif-24218254

[plain latch]

cancel knock with intervene

[steep osprey]

Happy for you guys

Might need more but we'll get there eventually I guess lol

[olive nest]

this is exactly the tuning we needed

hope it bumps cleave out of ST prio

[unborn canyon]

we need more

[olive nest]

or atleast lowers it

[unborn canyon]

[olive nest]

I agree we needed more

but its a good start

[unborn canyon]

ye

[odd ledge]

the bjuff

[tight wing]

Yes, but This is more than I expected after last notes when war wasn’t on it at all xD

[odd ledge]

the buff itself isnt important , whats important is, they are aware

[steep osprey]

True

[unborn canyon]

but dont say we are good, we all have to still be grumpy

[wicked warren]

I pray for the day cleave gets deleted from arms

[fervent cedar]

Good start, frustrating that they missed the window for more meaningful ST buffs

[tight wing]

Very true

[unborn canyon]

otherwise blizz will see we are happy for a moment and never check in on us again

[steep osprey]

I think buffing slam and OP by 10% wouldn't be too much

[rapid bronze]

Sparing a moment for the guardian druids who got nerfed so we can be buffed and maintain the balance of the universe

[thick hamlet]

watch this be compensatory buffs for the slayer annihilation in 12.0.5

[steep osprey]

Btw, I had food poisoning today. Very interesting

[wicked aurora]

Like I said small needle movements consistently over time is best case

[steep osprey]

That was a horrible experience

First time for everything I guess

[tight wing]

Idk, maybe 8% on OP it usually hits harder than MS

[rapid minnow]

So like is it even worth to go back to dearly beloved?

[odd ledge]

na i dont want any op buff

let it be a filler / generator

[fast wedge]

i’m a cleave lover

[tight wing]

This is why it feels weird when it hits so hard lol

[odd ledge]

exactly , it hit almost as hard as execute

which was feeling shit

[dire hinge]

Still behind fury if that’s what you’re asking, but this helps a lot. We are no UDK, but we can still do okay

[wicked warren]

I hate cleave because of its stupid sound effect

whoosh

[twilit flare]

I cant believe we are finally s tier

[odd ledge]

edit the sound files

[dire hinge]

It do sound like a whiff

[twilit flare]

feels good man

[wicked warren]

love swinging my noodle

[fast wedge]

hahaha that’s what love. double whoosh

[tight wing]

B at MOST

[wicked warren]

wait you're right, I forgot this exists

I might tolerate cleave now

[next sphinx]

They forgot to add the slam buff

[odd ledge]

https://youtu.be/Qr8BLy2np24

pick one

change it

[tight wing]

Probably closer to C, but no longer D at least

[proper moth]

Cleave buff

[gusty oxide]

I'm taking this babystep of a buff

Now, Buff OP

[odd ledge]

⛔

[steep osprey]

You have to take it, there's no other way

[clever stream]

maybe if you guys could just be as annoying as the paladins we would actually be somebody

[tight wing]

Nah

[clever stream]

the problem is they know that warriors are loyal and we won't switch

so they can do w.e. with us

[steep osprey]

You are somebody, Gacnac. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise

[tight wing]

I could see a slam or at least HS buff, but not OP

[sudden topaz]

if?

[tropic eagle]

the problem is not if but how many of us are there

if 10 people play a spec versus 500k they wont give a shit

[tight wing]

Like 100 max

[visual fern]

Garms out
Arms in
Happens every time

[clever stream]

na, I think it's just such a different scale

[eager sable]

Weird that we get to post this twice.

[visual fern]

[fossil thistle]

So just doing some calculations in a spreadsheet, its about a 4.6-5.2% dmg buff (overall)

[clever stream]

when the paladins aren't good they cry like their families were murdered and shut down their discord

[fossil thistle]

ST

[odd ledge]

but at the same time a small number tells em the spec isnt in a good spot

[olive nest]

I wonder if we'll creep past 100k ST with that change hmmm

[odd ledge]

so you can look at it in both ways

[tropic eagle]

yeah but they wont rush to fix it

[steep osprey]

Lmfao

[tight wing]

From 77k? Nahhh

[tropic eagle]

if one of the most popular specs is really bad in a way they will jump on that immediately

arms was never a priority

[olive nest]

we were at 93k iirc

[steep osprey]

Change name to (Hello-Arms)

[visual fern]

[odd ledge]

[visual fern]

I can't come back or it'll be goodbye arms again

[steep osprey]

They're gonna nerd arms based on your performance after this

Keep it goodbye

[lyric hound]

I woulda took an extra 5% off cleave for a 3% aura on top of the other changes

[tight wing]

We’ll be at like 99.7k if my calculations are correct now then

[steep osprey]

Cleave would need way more than a 5 nerd

Nerf

[haughty bramble]

wait this arms buff big or meh ?

[visual fern]

Nerfing warrior off nonexistent data
Classic

[dire hinge]

It’s solid

[lyric hound]

You don’t have to call me a nerd 😭

[tight wing]

It’s a Meh in the right direction

[tropic eagle]

I think its more than anyone was expecting

[dire hinge]

We could use some more Slam love, but it’s okay

[tropic eagle]

so its good regardless

[steep osprey]

Lmao, its a typo, meant nerf

[visual fern]

Ok hf gang

[dire hinge]

We are still using Cleave in some ST situations which is a bit laughable, but such is arms

[thick hamlet]

i want the slam love that makes me able to track HS proc

[steep osprey]

Wait

[twilit flare]

I cant believe they nerfed cleave WHAT ARE THEY DOING

[steep osprey]

What did you reroll to

[tight wing]

https://giphy.com/gifs/waving-lizard-hoppers-LPFNd1AJBoYcVUExmE

[lyric hound]

But fr you’re prob right. I think cleave would still be cracked with a 20-25% nerf lol

[tight wing]

Shhhhh

They’ll hear you

lol

[dire hinge]

Cleave was wildly overpowered and this doesnt really change much in aoe tbh. This is a small nerf in 5+ targets for decent gains in 4- targets. I’ll happily take this.

[lyric hound]

If they give it to us in ST they can listen haha

[olive nest]

id happily give another 10% cleave if they give me another 12 and 15 to MS exe

xD

[steep osprey]

Yep

[minor gust]

add 15% to op and DN next time

[gusty oxide]

better than nothing, for sure

[thick hamlet]

when do u even apply rend to begin with?

it's not on the opener

[olive nest]

apply it after charge

its what i do

works good

[dire hinge]

Charge -> Rend -> follow the sheet

[fossil thistle]

low key i gamble applying rend mid charge

[tight wing]

It’s number 9lol

[pastel grotto]

thats not the opener thats just the rotation

[visual fern]

Rerolled to wife prog

[lyric hound]

Lmao I always think about this

[tight wing]

Ah

[visual fern]

Catch me when I fumble and crash out

[pastel grotto]

(but also 0s is <4s so i would read it as applying it with that prio)

[dire hinge]

For transparency You’re not looking at the opener section 😉

[next sphinx]

I thought we all were your wife

[fossil thistle]

can save like 1/2 a GCD if you know the range, its pretty far tbh

[lone yarrow]

I do this but with CS that's a nice gamble

[fossil thistle]

[thick hamlet]

yes. i'm asking when do you apply it at first to begin with since it's not on the opener

[tropic eagle]

before avatar

[thick hamlet]

i currently do on charge tbh

[fossil thistle]

Warrior hasn't changed much since rework in TBC

:kek:

[umbral gyro]

So how good arw the buffs?

[tight wing]

I alternate between before and after avatar

[fossil thistle]

approx 4.5-5%

[tight wing]

A Meh in the right direction

[cunning burrow]

Why nerfs?

[umbral gyro]

So still shit 🤣

[fossil thistle]

only if you play like shit

[ocean marlin]

in execute i use MS only with 2 stacks of EP?

[tropic eagle]

arms wasnt shit just fomo people freaking out

its doing ok in raid

[empty raft]

cleave was a nuke

[tropic eagle]

just ST in keys is dogass

[fossil thistle]

exactly

[dire hinge]

ha! oh shit it's not listed. Lemme see if we can fix that

[rain anchor]

So does arms own now

[dire hinge]

yes, if EP is taken

[fossil thistle]

8% buff would've put us in middle I think, 4.5-5% isn't bad

[lyric hound]

numbers dont tell the tale. you had to be practically perfect to do like middle damage

[ocean marlin]

is there a addon that screams at me if im in execute range?

how r u doing it

[lyric hound]

middle on the side of low*

[tropic eagle]

its literally middle of the pack according to data

[fossil thistle]

I play practically average and im middle

[tropic eagle]

its top 5 on vanguard

what are you talking about

[tepid yew]

The 4-5% coming from an overall final number on single target i take it?

[lyric hound]

thats 1 fight lmfao, and its not even the raid spec

[tropic eagle]

huh?

[untold pewter]

It's not doing ok in raid

[thick hamlet]

much love

[untold pewter]

It's doing ok in ONE boss which is inflating us to "middle of the pack"

[empty raft]

the 1 fight its good on doesnt make it good in the entire raid

[untold pewter]

We're not good on the others

[hushed topaz]

Brother it’s only middle of the pack because this raid has so much add pad

[tropic eagle]

yes

and?

[untold pewter]

We literally are only good

For 1 boss

That's not

"doing ok in raid"

lmao

[lyric hound]

you cant play a competitive spec like that....

[tropic eagle]

you want top be top 5 on every boss

thats your issue

[steep osprey]

[untold pewter]

No

I do not want to be top 5 on every boss

[tropic eagle]

compared to data arms in raid is ok

[lyric hound]

troll LOL

[untold pewter]

lmfao

[hushed topaz]

The single target is absolutely dogshit and even worse when speccing aoe

[empty raft]

its ragebait

[untold pewter]

Nah bro you're trolling

Yeah

[tropic eagle]

yes I said this already

[untold pewter]

Get out

[lyric hound]

yeah very ragebait lol

[tropic eagle]

nah you guys are just delussional and want to be top everything on every fight in every situation without effort

[sand totem]

Bait used to be believable

[tight wing]

you play a pally don't you

[lyric hound]

weird time to bait lol

[tropic eagle]

theres literally data for arms not being an absolute disaster outside of ST

[untold pewter]

It's low effort at this point mate, drop it, don't downgrade this channel

[tropic eagle]

no I play arms since tbc

now fuck off

[lyric hound]

hope your RL calls you to stay on boss

[untold pewter]

Imagine playing since TBC, talking about data, and saying Arms is doing ok in raid

[tropic eagle]

bunch of kids crying cause they cant top dmg cause they bad asking for buffs 24/7

[untold pewter]

[tropic eagle]

yall real classy

just to be clear I never said arms is good

[coarse ore]

must be tough breathing from your mouth all the time

[tropic eagle]

I said its ok

[untold pewter]

lmao

[dire hinge]

Unfortunately no, I used to manage the WeakAura for it, but to determine this you need to read from the target's HP (which is locked)

[tropic eagle]

and even that only in raid outside of ST in keys

[astral yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-gif-20369681

[lyric hound]

its ok grandpa, go back to tbc, youre acting crazy again

[tropic eagle]

if you cant see or do that yo uare just bad at the spec 🙂

have a nice evening

[coarse ore]

ty

[untold pewter]

Ye Balg

[steep osprey]

Excuse me, the roof of my mouth is raised a little. Not my fault I gotta mouth breathe

[untold pewter]

show logs

Show us how good you're doing

Teach us all how to Arms in raid

[tropic crest]

Check dmg to boss stats. It is a disaster. If padding for you is playing good… play like that lol.
Just see the rank 1 arms in HC Voidspire first boss. He has less boss dmg than DK tank

[wicked warren]

Nah people like these are always 45+ yo boomers doing lfr, thinking the spec is ok

reality is 60 yo boomers are doing even less damage

[astral yarrow]

That is sort of how you get rank 1s in general though

[tight wing]

the spec is fun, but it's damage is almost nonexistent

[steep osprey]

That guy did a good job baiting. Now everyone's talking about him lol

[warm fog]

It’s certainly how you parse higher than other people on the same spec

[lone yarrow]

I just did a saladbar hc with 253 and simmed blue 63 with 50k DPS, same DPS lock scored a GREY 22 pass

[tropic crest]

But you don’t finish UNDER tanks on boss dmg 🙂

[shadow osprey]

I cant believe I checked and you arent lying lol

[untold pewter]

Yeah mate, unfortunately we are not ok in raid

It is what it is

[lyric hound]

you arent wrong - except parsing =/= prog...i think the majority of complaints here are prog feels awful

[modern cove]

How far behind fury with this 4.5~5% buffs? Still a giant gap (excluding council)?

[untold pewter]

I miss doing single target

[astral yarrow]

Very much depends on how many and how often adds are available to be padded on

[warm fog]

Pretty big

[polar portal]

picks fucking m+ talents and hero spec to AoE pad on adds
this counts as being ok in raid

[untold pewter]

For the few bosses I tried Arms with my team they were spawning and just freaking exploding
I barely had time to finish demolish

[muted fractal]

Were saved

[untold pewter]

Couldn't pad for shit lmao

[astral yarrow]

Playing with good players isn’t necessarily good for parses

[echo plume]

what

[modern cove]

the only way to do competitive damage as arms is bursting adds like hell (and ofc with colossus), thats a bit sad

[lyric hound]

playing with good players imo is absolutely essential to parsing high. because they arent padding if they are good 🙂

[untold pewter]

Made me feel terrible
Jumped ship next day to fury at least until another arms buff

Generally speaking I can't really enjoy not doing single target
The whole "I can top meters doing 0 boss damage" isn't for me

[astral yarrow]

Lock being good at timing implosion on adds is less damage you get to do

[tropic crest]

It would be good if you can spec cleave without loosing a ton of ST. But you can’t do it with actual Arms. You either do high parse and tank dmg on boss, or shit parse and mediocre ST on boss

[untold pewter]

lol nah, they'll nuke the adds you'll get 0 damage in and that's that lmao

We're not the most explosive aoe

In the game

[polar portal]

And this is a problem most other specs don't really have to deal with

Our talents just suck

[untold pewter]

Fury being the elephant in the room

[tropic crest]

^

[untold pewter]

Sacrificing virtually nothing to do both quite well

[lyric hound]

fury is straight up dog shit to play i cant lie

[modern cove]

In a lot of situations destroying adds and doing tank damage in boss at raids dont actually helps too much, in the end the boss needs to die

[tropic crest]

Now We got MS and exe buff but -10% cleave dmg

[lyric hound]

id rather play MM then be forced to play fury lol

[untold pewter]

I don't play non-warrior specs

[modern cove]

I didnt noticed its a cleave NERF, wtf

[astral yarrow]

Very much needed

[tight wing]

needed it imo

[untold pewter]

Cleave was too strong, the tuning is in the right direction
The numbers are lacking

[edgy solstice]

support warrior when

[dim jay]

is that some spec too rage starved for me to acknowledge the existence of?

[tropic crest]

We just need a nerf on cleave and an aura buff

[echo plume]

2 things that will never happen

[lyric hound]

idk i dont acknowledge fury, too many swords

[tropic crest]

We got cleave nerf tonight, but we got buffed only Ms and exe

[fiery zenith]

oh no arms might just not be a top performing spec for a raid or two, perish the thought

[tropic crest]

Warrior
Arms
Mortal Strike damage increased by 12%.
Execute damage increased by 15%.
Cleave damage reduced by 10%.

[untold pewter]

Literally nobody but the rage baiting cucks talks about "top"

[gusty oxide]

last tier we were somewhat relevant was Nerub'ar

[plain latch]

well fury did exist

[untold pewter]

Is this Balg on a different discord account? lmao

[sand totem]

I dont wanna be top, I just wanna out dps the hunter pet 🙁

[astral yarrow]

Fight design along with tuning has not had that happen in a while. I’d rather have fight design dictate it than tuning

[gusty oxide]

It did, and this tier killed their burst profile

[modern cove]

top world damage at imperator:
fury = kill the god damn boss
arms = what boss?

[edgy solstice]

raiding sucks. arms is consistently a bottom feeder in keys

[fiery zenith]

somewhat relevant is funny

[cobalt sinew]

threaten to close the discord

its the only way

[dire hinge]

never

we have class here

[frank iron]

thats a very ret paladin thing to do

[astral yarrow]

A class of all time

[untold pewter]

Imagine asking [ignore pain] and [anger management] users to close discord

[finite spire]

we happy with these buffs then?

[grizzled falcon]

Mortal strike Blizz HQ with a giant axe.

[frank iron]

more happy we got buffs

[untold pewter]

Good direction
Not enough numerically

[dire hinge]

yeah they're more than expected and hit the right spots. We could always use some more, but this is fine

[tight wing]

this

[astral yarrow]

Rogues are the ones needing god now

[finite spire]

puts us out of dogwater tier though right?

B tier

[flint cedar]

Im giggling at IcyVeins raid dps ranks! Aww bb! Ty for putting us at the top of B Tier! lol

[astral yarrow]

And bm hunter

[finite spire]

where we have been since...

[dire hinge]

Tiers are made up and the points dont matter

[gusty oxide]

We're a bit bellow the middle of the pack with this buff i would say without crushing the maths, i'm taking it

[tight wing]

closer to C

[untold pewter]

No our ST is still bad

As in

Bad

Not "ok"

[gusty oxide]

From D tier to C+

[modern cove]

5% buff in single target isnt near enough cause fury is doing much more damage in the same class.

[astral yarrow]

Still a little off 100k st sim, but nothing in this tier is st basically

So it doesn’t matter much

[untold pewter]

For mythic raid ST value tends to go up significantly compared to heroic and that's where we'll be heavily lacking starting this week

Bosses need to die

Not just adds

[polar portal]

Sub is good

Also has the best tier set in the game

[astral yarrow]

The homies can kill the boss and I’ll hold cds for adds

[untold pewter]

lmao

[polar portal]

14% DPS increase I believe

[steep osprey]

Sub has a big damage increase from tier

[untold pewter]

Does work

[steep osprey]

They're gonna be fine

[polar portal]

They're also getting a buff

[astral yarrow]

Have you played rogue though

[polar portal]

My main is a rogue, sadly

[astral yarrow]

It’s worse than the treatment warrior got

[dire hinge]

https://x.com/jdotb/status/2034648852016324689

jb. (@jdotb)

I think valeera might be the only rogue I've grouped with this tier

X · Mar 19, 2026, 3:11 PM

[empty raft]

this is fire

[wicked warren]

it was quite sad until midnight reworks

[astral yarrow]

I love jb

[astral yarrow]

I dislike basically every warrior spec as it is now

[cobalt sinew]

im surprised arms got very little pruning at all

[spring vale]

Valeera prob in my top5 healers

[polar portal]

Valeera is also absolutely fucking insane

[astral yarrow]

But I’m tainted from playing dk in splits

[fading isle]

gg

we are

[polar portal]

Brann was never this good

[fading isle]

saved

we are saved

[untold pewter]

Prot is still nice imo

[fading isle]

we are saved

https://tenor.com/view/illuzory-irl-zyzz-flex-illuzory-gif-24468583

[untold pewter]

No but it's ok to be happy about buffs

[lime ruin]

nerfing cleave and buffing ST gives me hope

[fading isle]

playable state

[spring vale]

Valeera also pulls half the delve but she'll drop the roided healing cloud and spam the little heart flasks, meanwhile Brann had a melty if you drank the flasks too fast

[astral yarrow]

I play prot once a tier to remind my guild why I don’t tank

[untold pewter]

ST still too heavy

[fossil lynx]

I mean I like how arms plays, it just does piss damage

[untold pewter]

lmao fair enough
I do enjoy prot

[fading isle]

I'm not pretty sure about ST but it's fine

fine for m+ and stuff

[untold pewter]

For M+ yeah

[rare kite]

you still playing warrior this tier then?

[lyric hound]

arms plays really well - i think the issue with arms is blizz wanted to do some weirdo like 2 target destro lock bullshit with us and its just a garbgae idea to begin with and a nightmare to balance

[fading isle]

delving

[astral yarrow]

Warrior might be benched cause guardian is nerfed so idk

[untold pewter]

I mean we've always been "supposed to be good" at 2 target
That's not new

SS is old

[astral yarrow]

It’s prolly alright so most likely staying warrior

[cobalt sinew]

maybe one day arms will get a rework

[flint cedar]

Positive post. Thank you 🙂

[weak rain]

Valeera fucking solos bosses and elites at 11 delve for me xD

[lyric hound]

sure, i just mean its intentionally bad to double down into it. rework shoulda seen SS go bye bye, this isnt MoP no more

[weak rain]

as a healer

[astral yarrow]

We have the brightest people on the job of designing the class 🙂

[polar portal]

I'm pretty sure my healer valeera can do better ST than my arms warrior

[spring vale]

shes cracked bro

[untold pewter]

She can

[spring vale]

she makes better use of ilvl than arms warrior does

[weak rain]

Yeah, she outdamages me as a healer, even fury

[polar portal]

Simply insane

[astral yarrow]

I forgot to give her a role and curios

[untold pewter]

I genuinely don't think it's people anymore
Cursor must be the one suggesting tuning

[fossil lynx]

The direction is good but numbers are not enough. I expect them to pull a "good enough" and leave arms like this for the whole season. I wouldn't call that positive

[soft gust]

Why are we getting MS and Execute buffs but not slam

and hs

[untold pewter]

That's my worry too

[astral yarrow]

There are people behind it, which makes it worse

[untold pewter]

True

[latent basin]

patiently waiting archimtiros post about recent buffs

[inner terrace]

it's happenninggggg

[astral yarrow]

SD reap and execute tclap died for very good reasons 🙂

[muted fractal]

Arms is alive bb

85k -> 90k

[shell arch]

is the cleave nerf bad?

[worn knoll]

Yeah SS is literally an arms staple since vanilla, we are the original 2-target spec, ironically enough

[steady isle]

is arms back ?

[astral yarrow]

Current st number is just short of 95k

[lyric hound]

they shoulda just got us to 100k

[tight wing]

nah, it's actually less than expected

[gusty oxide]

Well ,ST fights in this tier are rare

[tight wing]

they'll get us to 99,999 and let us sit lol

[restive folio]

I know it's very early, but can some experienced Chad in here theorize if this makes Arms a little more effective in M+? From what I gathered part of the issue there is that your ST was so awful in the m+ build that these changes won't really affect that much, is this a much bigger buff for the raid ST build that goes Slayer?

[flint cedar]

majority of posts here are "mooooarrrrr!" and doomy gloomy min maxxers. I'm just trying to get some swings in after I work all day. Its a nice buff. We will do more than what we were doing.

[dire hinge]

"and leave arms like this for the whole season"
The season hasn't even started yet, this is just pre-season tuning. It'll be fine

[fiery zenith]

that and very few people here raid at a level where they need to worry about the specs relative performance

[dire hinge]

unless you're hitting the limits of what arms can actually do, you have stuff to learn and practice

[shell arch]

on m+ arms are going to mostly play colossus or slayer?

[dire hinge]

that said, arms is in a weird spot and very unintuitive so ya know, there's that

[worn knoll]

This pretty nice for m+ i think. The biggest problem there was piss-poor ST damage on bosses due to needing to talent heavily into cleave damage, this should even out our profile overall so our pack clearing ability is slightly nerfed (cleave was overtuned af tho) while bringing our ST windows at least to a bare minimum of not losing to tank dps

[dire hinge]

mostly Colossus probably, but you can play whatever you want. You can get surprisingly high before it matters

[umbral badger]

yes this did not do much for colossus sadly though, because execute does not do anything for colossus on M+ and even in raid it's very minor change

[marsh hamlet]

What do you guys think?

[minor gust]

its a buff

[marsh hamlet]

I know, but is it taking it out the gutter or nah?

[shell arch]

what annoys me is that slayer is not getting reap on execute on 12.0.5 right?

[umbral badger]

again, very good for slayer arms, not enough for colossus

this is how a top colossus warrior in raid boss fights looking like

1% execute dmg

so 15% execute is zero value

[tribal kindle]

Do cleave nerfs also nerf ww?

[minor gust]

no

[umbral badger]

and this is how a top slayer warrior looking like at the same boss "first boss"

7% execute

for colossus that 15% execute buff is basically nothing

but for slayers this buff is great imo

[shell arch]

by this math in a raid scenario arms lost 1.4% dmg?

[umbral badger]

i would say for colossus where ppl wanted to play it, cleave nerf is probably gonna be overall nerf

like vanguard boss fight

[marsh hamlet]

Thanks thats what I wanted to know

[umbral badger]

and since colossus is primarily played for it's cleave "and not really played for guilds who want to kill bosses" it is a nerf

imo

[modern cove]

problem is you cant compete with fury playing arms slayer (and a 5% buff in st will not change this)

[tight wing]

slayer FTW (until .5 lol)

[polar portal]

Hopefully they'll backtrack on the slayer changes

[umbral badger]

i do think arms slayer will compete with fury now, just not when there are adds coming up

cuz from my experience slayer arms Bladestorm fking suck compared to fury

[astral yarrow]

So all bosses basically

[modern cove]

problem will be the total DPS at end of the fight

[astral yarrow]

Arms bs is just too long so opportunity cost is bigger

[umbral badger]

i wouldn't say so, like when i play i don't padd if the grp does not need it, we are in for hte kill so i don't mind having shitty logs for highest boss dmg.

so it really depends on what do you want to do

like today was my second time playing fury, i have no clue how is thane played so i went for slayer fury on valgaer and whatever the other drake is called

i hate the sepc

[astral yarrow]

Fury does more st and has an easier time speccing cleave options than arms does

[mystic pivot]

Tomorrow would have been Zyzz’s birthday. Coincidence?

[umbral badger]

slayer arms wasn't very far behidn fury to begin with

[modern cove]

the top arms slayer did 81k at imperator, top fury slayer did 107

[astral yarrow]

It was 10k behind my man

[nova marsh]

ARMS ST BUFFA

Maybe we arent dead!

[umbral badger]

i mean , i am not saying this will make them equal, i am saying will make them competitive so that you are not feeling like shit being arms

for ST at last

[tight wing]

do you think a reason they're struggling to balance things is because damage is so low compared to last xpac?

[vocal plinth]

It's still low, but at least it gives us hope that they'll keep changing it in the future

[restive folio]

Thanks for the breakdown

[umbral badger]

at this point i changed my pov on this, i just wwant them to do mini talents rework in next raid tier xd

needing 9 talents to swap from cleave to ST is criminal

[drifting apex]

I think we should'nt complain the fury is big atm in raid and the arm warrior with this buff gonna be cool too not as the fury but pretty cool there is a lot of spec that is bad af compare to arms after the patch i love arms its playable now but to perf lets go for fury i guess

[umbral badger]

fury slayer needs 1-2 talents to swap

[modern cove]

I will recraft my weapon to myth tracking this week and now im struggling with hopium thinking in changing the stats to crit haste and playing arms, am i delusional?

[worn knoll]

that other dude was right though, colossus will barely feel that 15% buff to execute, 12% to mortal strike is nice but it won't be a very noticeable increase tbh

[oblique falcon]

Can someone smart do the math and find out how much of a total increase this is?

[umbral badger]

ys, colossus will not feel anything and at some bosses will feel nerfed

[dire hinge]

we're working on it 😉 but its like 4%

[tight wing]

4-5.2%

[dapper haven]

BOYS ARE WE BACK?!

[dire hinge]

we are closer to back than ever before

[dapper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/were-back-its-over-gif-24400541

[dire hinge]

somebody tell that monkey hooked up the brain monitor to press the button

[modern cove]

people will focus on slayer now? no more demolish m+ build?

[shell arch]

that cleave nerf was not necessary

[charred brook]

Cleave was too strong tho tbh

[umbral badger]

you just need ot take a sample of a top warrior and compare so for this guy on fallen king, the buff is like 2.5% more dmg from mortal and 1.7%ish from execute

that's 4%

[charred brook]

But the rest of arms needed a bit

[dire hinge]

(low key still is tbh, we still press it in Single Target M+, it's silly)

[tight wing]

cleave is high damage on ST, it needed the nerf

[lilac lava]

Legs has been upgraded to Arm, singular.

[charred brook]

Yeah

[umbral badger]

still is the case imo, at least for colossus.

[dire hinge]

yeah this doesn't stop it from being a thing

[umbral badger]

i don't even know if that execute buff will make execute worth shit lol

for colossus

my execute does less than half slam's damage

[tight wing]

me changes it after seeing that it still is xD

[umbral badger]

15% will sitll make it do half slam's dmg

[shell arch]

should be like 10% aura damage buff... -10% to cleave, and then like 8% to execute and ms

[dire hinge]

haha yeah unfortunately Slam needs some more love (or cleave need less love) for it to change

[tight wing]

I think I'd prefer slam getting more love, I like it, make HS feel Niceee

[dire hinge]

genuinely think moving some power out of Cleave and into Slam would be benefitial since FoB cycles some of that moved power back into the AoE still

[umbral badger]

also @dire hinge and everyone else, look at this. this is the one fight where arms is a top tier, where do you guys think this change for rms will land ?

[rose ibex]

I am eager to test how much better I do in raid as arms

[umbral badger]

LITERALLY this change will make fury beat us 100% of the time on vanguard

so it's not gonna feel as great as ppl might think

even the one boss where we shine we will los to fury now xd

[dire hinge]

Technically we got slightly stronger in 3 target with this buff so 👀

[umbral badger]

nah bro

[dire hinge]

the Cleave nerf only affects us at 5 or more targets

[umbral badger]

cleave is doing way more than mortal

on 3 targets

[rose ibex]

Bladestorm stocks remain up

Cleave stocks slightly down

But still good

[umbral badger]

@dire hinge this is how the top warrior looking like on 3 target

so you get 1.5% more dmg and lose 3%

:p

[oblique falcon]

One more buff and we're Arms again boys, have faith

[dire hinge]

we're still doing the math on it, but we're seeing "nerfing cleave 10% and buffing Ms 12% still was a net gain in 3 target"

assuming full uptime in a sim environment

[polar portal]

Might want to play slayer instead though

[shell arch]

he didnt used EXECUTE A SINGLE TIME

[umbral badger]

i mean sim might show that but since this is not sim it's a different story

[modern cove]

Maybe the 4p will help us a bit next week?

[rose ibex]

Ms AND execute

[oblique falcon]

Will this change anything for M+?

[shell arch]

execute need more dmg, 15% not enough

[nova marsh]

Yeah the exe is gonna be the difference

[rose ibex]

Which is great because it helps that flow of using execute to buff ms

[dire hinge]

makes our boss damage better at the cost of a bit of AoE in 5+ targets

[oblique falcon]

I mean slayer vs col? We would still be running colussus in m+ I imagine?

[rose ibex]

It nerfs colossus more than slayer which is all fine for me

[umbral badger]

i would say though, the reason vanguard cleave is MUCH higher dps, is probably because there is downtime nad running time which means you get a few less mortals and more cleaves "thanks to the CS cd coming back"

[rose ibex]

But I guess colossus likes the ms buffs too so I dunno

[astral yarrow]

You are putting way too much thought into this

[umbral badger]

so even if in a sim 3 targets mortal should be higher dmg, on vanguard it is not the case cuz of the down time

[shell arch]

it's less than 1% dmg buff, it's a joke

[umbral badger]

i am not :p if hrothar says sims show mortal higher in 3 target, then there is a rason cleave is doing on vanguard :p

[river ridge]

Sure if your Ranged is positioning to troll you

You can maintain a very high uptime on all 3 bosses on vanguard if your ranged position well

[umbral badger]

nah the down time comes cuz you have to do mechanics: p not big downtime but can change things

all i am saying that if mortal should sim higher in 3 target, then there is a tactic-based reason why every single arms warrior looks like this on vanguard

[dire hinge]

yeah, it's part of the reason sims have to be taken with a grain of salt. There is literally no patchwerk fight in this raid, and almost every "2 target" boss we have has an anti-arms mechanic that makes you keeep them more than Arms (hehe) length apart from each other

[rose ibex]

Solution: bigger arms

[umbral badger]

the most anti arms mechanic ever is how demolish does it's aoe xd other wise we would be topping valgaer and ezorak fight

[dire hinge]

rogue had longer reach than us in shadowland with daggers while we had 10ft broad swords

[tight wing]

https://giphy.com/gifs/netflix-roronoa-zoro-mackenyu-i-made-a-big-sword-rCtwpQjPVV6Efa7TOZ

[nova marsh]

Solution: better arms. Faster arms. Stronger arms....harder arms

[unreal ivy]

So we go from no Arms to trex arms

[rose ibex]

After playing feral, arms feels like i have a football field of melee range

[lyric hound]

that dragons fight kills my soul

my arms arent long enough

[stable fiber]

is the execute comparable to fury at all

[nova marsh]

Same fuxk dragons

[umbral badger]

like nothing triggers me more than the fact that as fury i am cleaving the thigns on my ass, and as arms you can't cleave cuz things are on your ass

[stable fiber]

execute phase*

[rose ibex]

Also... more arms

[dire hinge]

Feral also had the same extra range

[rose ibex]

It feels short :(

Maybe im just used to my cow spacing

[astral yarrow]

By having demolish hit 2 targets? Huh

[dire hinge]

Sweeping will cleave yes, but Demo is a frontal aimed at the primary target

that's what they're saying

[umbral badger]

by hitting the orbs that spawn in a shitty situation

[rose ibex]

Just bladestorm for extended range :)

[umbral badger]

@astral yarrow the way orbs are spawning and gathered means you can never hit demolish on the boss and hit the adds

[astral yarrow]

Demolish is square root anyway

[thick hamlet]

how much better are we talking for collosus?

[umbral badger]

in m+ , nothing 😄

[thick hamlet]

because it seems to me that collosus ST is completely helpless, but it's just an impression

[umbral badger]

i will guess it's 2% maybe xd

[stable fiber]

you doom too much

[umbral badger]

i don't our m+ ST dps is tank level

do you think 4% will make us not tank level ?

[stable fiber]

yes

[umbral badger]

and it's not even 4%

cuz we dont' evne have execute

[viscid crater]

They nerfed the tank that was beating us, so yet

[umbral badger]

just sudden deaht

[lyric hound]

the solution is to group with a tank that doesnt know they can do damage

[umbral badger]

i mean being tank level does not mean getting beaten by tank, just means you are almost same as a tank :p

trust me guys , i am not dooming, i am a nerd i like practical answers so i am not gonna hype over something that in my brain is clearly nothing lol

[dire hinge]

he's not wrong, we are a bit stronger in single target, but it's not by a meaningful amount. Colossus strugles with rage gen in execute range, so even with the execute buff we'll be struggling a bit on bosses. They also nerfed cleave, which we still use in colossus single target since it's stronger than Slam is in some conditions.

it is better than before, but not exactly saving us on M+ bosses

[umbral badger]

ty, my antisocial nerd brain can't explain this wlel xd

[stable fiber]

do u know if the execute phase is good for arms

[dire hinge]

haha you're fine, words are hard

[astral yarrow]

What phase now

[stable fiber]

in raid spec

[somber pecan]

hows arms looking in m+ ive barely been motivated to play

[dire hinge]

the Cleave phase?

[lyric hound]

arms is great on trash lol

trash...its where we belong.

[stable fiber]

nah like you could realistically see it on crown of the cosmos if the execute phase is good

p3 dps check might be crazy on mythic

[umbral badger]

i am of the opinion that our only savior as colossus is a mini rework to this cursed 90000 passives swap thing

[grim meteor]

how on pvp? arms

[somber pecan]

thanks

[dire hinge]

i'd check in #pvp, this channel is mostly PVE focused unfortunately

[stable fiber]

i havent played arms enough to know if the execute phase is good as slayer

(i havent played slayer arms)

[umbral badger]

i mean your still executing a lot at all times as slayer so it's all good :p

[grim meteor]

yeap

[stable fiber]

not what i mean

[dire hinge]

Arm's truest identity over the past 5 years is that Mortal Strike is just 8 buffs in a trench coat

[obsidian otter]

When keys start to get higher the truth will show when mobs don’t die before you can even finish bladestorm in zeros. A lot of classes when your running zeros don’t really get to DPS because mobs just die to fast! So classes that can burst aoe vs higher sustained or ramp up won’t even show in zeros to lower keys depending how geared players are.

[umbral badger]

honestly, 4 set will still save arms on AOE even in m+

and the biggest wall for arms will be bosses, and honeslty if your grp cna't kill the boss you ain't dioong higher keys

so imo that's the wall arms is gonna hit

[somber pecan]

is the ST that bad?

[umbral badger]

kiling bosses

[lyric hound]

2 edged sword. if arms doesnt get pushed more in line w/ the cleave shenanigans we wont get invites cuz we contribute jack shit to bosses

[obsidian otter]

I mean I ran arms to 3k+ in beta puts when OP was doing more than cleave the set bonus isn’t buffing our single target an were way lower single target now even with tier then we was in beta

[umbral badger]

only when you are speced in full aoe

[somber pecan]

ive swapped to prot but i want to play my beloved..

[umbral badger]

oh yea 4 set does almost nothing for ST, like what are we gonna do ? fit in one more mortal ? LoL

[astral yarrow]

Bro is giga cooked

Krispi hasn’t done a pure execute sim and I’m on phone so can’t rn

[obsidian otter]

If you think the 4 set is gonna make arms gonna make a massive difference in keys get ready for disappointment

[astral yarrow]

You can ask him for overrides and profile if you care to

[stable fiber]

(its literally the 2nd biggest tier set flat number wise)

[umbral badger]

yea i've argued from the first week, arms 4 set is a pure AOE set bonus

[stable fiber]

but all good

[astral yarrow]

Bro is waffling hard

[umbral badger]

i dont' know if 4 st is the best 4 set, i don't think it is anywhere near that

[somber pecan]

the 2p looks good

[umbral badger]

at least in practical means 4 set should suck for most cases

but 2set is really good imo

i did not play enough slayer ST to know how good it is but at least in some sense your getting like 2 seconds of CS ? fk that shit

maybe 3

[lyric hound]

that 4 set is dog shit hyper specific

[obsidian otter]

Not that it gives this much but just think if4 set gives 8-10% more Cleave damage we just got nerfed 10% cleave damage so think about that for a second

[minor gust]

[umbral badger]

i would assume it will be much more than 10% cleave dmg when monsters in keys survivve longer than a normal CS duration

you do 5 cleaves in 5 seconds that's huge for aoe

well more like 5 cleaves and 1 demo in 6-7 seconds but still :p

[obsidian otter]

In a 15 key you get off 2 CS rotations per pack

Sometimes 3 rarely depending on other dps

[umbral badger]

yea yea it's good if CS is matching more with avatar

for aoe

i don't know though i won't lie and tell ppl 4 set is the greatest set of all times for ST

[stable fiber]

its not but defo helps

[astral yarrow]

🧇

[stable fiber]

its top end gains amongst tier sets

[umbral badger]

maybe if slayer can go battlelord with mortal buff ?

cuz that might end up adding one more or 2 more mortals for slayer 4 set

[astral yarrow]

But he feels it isn’t

[obsidian otter]

There is slayer BL build it does about 1k more single target but like 6-8k less aoe in sims

[stable fiber]

i love feelscrafting

its tuff

atleast we arent BM monk

they get like

1.2k dps from their 4pc

[umbral badger]

it has nothign with feelings, there are ppl who do sims, which we appreciate them. i always study the logs more than the sims cuz i care about practical numbers.

[stable fiber]

0-4pc

[umbral badger]

sims are good as a framework but if you don't put your brain into a "fight with mechancis" mind set it's pointless

[minor gust]

[astral yarrow]

You forgot the “imo” or “I’m of the opinion”

[obsidian otter]

You gonna make me cry with that name change 😢

[somber pecan]

Ur right

[umbral badger]

[stable fiber]

but how many fights are you not just slamming mortal strikes into the boss

0

[umbral badger]

every signle fight in this raid where you have other things to worry about ?

or every time something happens in a fight where you have to take 2 steps back ?

or whatevr

[astral yarrow]

Again, you are way overthinking things my man

[stable fiber]

if you are sending cds right before forced downtime you will never do any meaningful damage on any spec and its purely your fault

not the spec or tier sets fault

every fight is scripted

[astral yarrow]

The eternal struggle of sending or not sending on last add of p1 alleria

[umbral badger]

i mean i've always been one of the warriors who do damage and i've always been able to rank in top 100 within my spec and hero talent choice so at least from my experience it is not black and white

there are better warrirs than me who have better uptime

[astral yarrow]

Uptime mhm

[umbral badger]

cuz i am too old and tired to have their speed now

but it does not change that boss fights come with shit things to do

[somber pecan]

hold this ball

[sharp wyvern]

they knew what they were doing with the 6-7%

[green rock]

Is arms just the best spec in the game for the paladin boss now?

[sharp wyvern]

they nerfed the 1 thing that made it good on that boss

[stable fiber]

not high enough target to matter

i do feel like its a slight nerf though

i didnt really execute that much

[sharp wyvern]

you do as slayer

[stable fiber]

MS buffs are good though

net neutral possibly

[smoky kayak]

Sorry, I had a very long day getting a new HVAC system put in, so go react to this and pretend it was 2hrs ago, kthx
#updates-midnight

[stable fiber]

if ur playing slayer on that boss though

slayer owns on everything else possibly

[north forge]

are we back

[sharp wyvern]

not realy

[stable fiber]

it seems playable

i will say

[sharp wyvern]

we exist at least

[north forge]

not on the bottom is a big W in this chat though right? dont reach too high

[sharp wyvern]

[umbral badger]

thanks for the effort

yea at least slayer is competitive with fury

will be *

on ST

[tight wing]

yes

[north forge]

is multitarget looking at 2-3, or on masse? cleave reduction surely will result in less damage on larger scale AOE, which arms could probably stand to lose. Good to see some targeted buffs rather than just lazy aura tuning

[stable fiber]

i think its a typo?

[north forge]

just need them to revert slayer losing reap on sudden death and we could be finally looking at something good here

[umbral badger]

i mean since this is something that's coming in the future, i would say they won't even do it if arms is still in the gutter by then

so i don't think it's worth worrying that far ahead for now

[stable fiber]

they maybe got something cooked up

no chance they ruin fury that much

[umbral badger]

also isn't thane coming on top slowly now ?

@stable fiber

i see thane becoming top on all fights all of a sudden

lol

[stable fiber]

its good in this raid

[umbral badger]

yea

[stable fiber]

cause spread aoe is common

[north forge]

its about thunderclap range being able to simply hit more without giving up uptime

[stable fiber]

if you see a more st intensive fight or burst aoe (closely stacked) slayer would seem better

[umbral badger]

like at this rate even fury slayer won't be in need of a nerf

"it is not to begin with"

[flint cedar]

Brutal Finish tomorrow in lieu of Culling Cyclone then? 🙂

[north forge]

big mortal strikes are back babyyyy

[stable fiber]

big mortal strikes own

also when execute is good

[umbral badger]

for some reason even on ST fights like fallen king thane is competing on top with slayer fury atm, as someone who has zero bakcground on fury i don't get it, but i don't like it either.

[stable fiber]

its better at cleaving the balls

[umbral badger]

hmm

[stable fiber]

for slight st loss

[flint cedar]

/simc

[stable fiber]

with good tanks its MAYBE better

[umbral badger]

like just cleaving or swapping ?

[stable fiber]

cant really simc a boss like that

cleaving

[umbral badger]

if it's better for swapping gotta learn it before reset

fk

ahh

[stable fiber]

nah dont

[umbral badger]

well i guess i gotta learn it either way

[stable fiber]

balls are for spriests and warlocks

[umbral badger]

i hate fury already

[stable fiber]

and mages

[umbral badger]

to be fair mages in my guild got a lot of loot otday

so let them deal with it

and warlocks too

[smoky kayak]

should be pretty obvious

[vapid spire]

CHAT IS THIS REAL

[stable fiber]

🐌

[umbral badger]

in last expansion, did they do the mini arms rework after season 1 or after season 2 btw guys

[stable fiber]

oh man they brought bear out back and shot it

i didnt even read it

[fair topaz]

Don't forget to sandbag the coming week so we get another 5% aura

[umbral badger]

all i know is that i am gonna be smashing the fk out of m+ on reset day

but in raid we furying for now

i hate it but that's the best i can do xd

[rare kite]

that was 2 expansions ago my guy

[umbral badger]

no no last expansion they did some small mechanic change to how arms work i remember or at least damage shifting

ahh it was execute no longer builds demolish and shit like that

was that after s1 or 2 ?

[rare kite]

i would not call that a mini rework

[umbral badger]

it changed how colossus is played :p

so that's why i considered it small rework in some sense

but you are right

still i am hoping for something on a bit of a larger scale after this season

[rare kite]

but ye that was after s1

[tight wing]

again, they don't like overbalancing things and then this stuff happens xD

[umbral badger]

they don't like overbalancing SOME things 😄

at least that 12% mortal buff applies in pvp i guess

so pvp arms warriors might feel some love

[somber pecan]

we will become strong again brothers

💪

[spiral eagle]

can somebody who can read and do math tell me if arms is swole now or are we still just fingers

[stable fiber]

read #updates-midnight

i might play arms on crown lowkey

[tight wing]

he just said he can't read lol

[stable fiber]

hes cooked then

id say

we are like

avg

[spiral eagle]

tysir

[modern fern]

does anyone have a swing timer hook up

[stable fiber]

swollness

[modern fern]

addon?

[tight wing]

any reason we don't take this for ST?

[smoky kayak]

not really

[tight wing]

cool, I may try it out then

[smoky kayak]

it may make up some ground after the buff, it just hasn't been particularly better than Cyclone

[timid mirage]

Does the execute buff change anything for hero talents in m+? Or broadly you still won't execute much

[wooden lava]

a single mortal strike doing 50% extra dmg

lmaoooooo

not even like "next 3 mortal strikes"

that talent is borderline insulting

[mortal niche]

12% ms, saved

[slim iron]

ARE WE BACK BOYS?

[tight wing]

I like seeing the big hit even if it's only one xD

[tight wing]

you're not wrong though

[finite ocean]

BUFF TOMORROW

[umbral badger]

at the very least thsi change is good in the sense that they "see" that we are just worrying over ST not aoe

[ashen trout]

we looking like arms will still be the vibe for light guard tomorrow? just curious if the loss of 10% makes it still better or not lol

[fickle drift]

hey man , with new buffs arms is good for crown of cosmos fight ?

[umbral badger]

don't worry this won't kill arms on vanguard

[granite swift]

is the aoe even that crazy? they're really scared of cleave

[cerulean scroll]

will arms be better than fury on any fights after this buff?

[mortal niche]

haha good joke

[fickle drift]

same question here

[mortal niche]

should become a comedian

[fickle drift]

[rare kite]

yes. paladins boss(already is)

[cerulean scroll]

its a nerf to council right?

[umbral badger]

worst case is probably arms and thane being almost the same

[mortal niche]

please tell me its colo

[rare kite]

it is

[cerulean scroll]

it is

or was

[mortal niche]

..shouldve tried it today, shame

kinda just assumed arms was poop everywhere

[cerulean scroll]

i think the change nerfed arms on the one fight it couldve been good

[flint cloud]

Are we back?

[umbral badger]

there are 2 types of players on that figtht, based on their data some of them are more cleave less mortal and some others have closer dmg between mortal and cleave. lowest cleave damage i found is 23%ish of total damage vs mortal 18%, majority of ppl have 30% ish bleed and 15% ish mortal, in other words this change will not be more than a little bit of a loss on vanguard

[slim iron]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgis9.gif

arms needs more buffs

[umbral badger]

so if you go through ppl logs and calculate all the data wrost case scenario you lose 1%-2% dmg on vanguard which won't make us weaker than fury at least for now

[pulsar berry]

i honestly kind of wonder if paladins is gonna switch to slayer and just max pump during execute phase

[cerulean scroll]

yea thats what i thought, but number nerf is indeed smaller than i thought

[mortal niche]

slayer needs jesus

[cerulean scroll]

good to know

[umbral badger]

that being said, i do believe that arms should be much higher than fury on vanguard cuz it is the single fight that is supposed to be arms identity :p

[winter jungle]

is it rly a multitarget increase? Feel like my dmg breakdown is mostly cleave

[mortal niche]

arms has an identity?

[umbral badger]

yea yea i've been trying to say don't look at this as a nerf, just look at it as a good "directional" decision on what arms needs

[umbral badger]

supposed to be sweeping xd

but if even sweeping is not making us beat fury hard i don't know what is our identity xd

[winter jungle]

building up for huge mortal strikes was the best identity for this spec

[umbral badger]

we still have ways to build up, they just build up for your eyes, not for your dps meter 😄

[kindred breach]

arms saved

[winter jungle]

focused rage peak class design

[umbral badger]

i agree but many ppl don't :p

[mortal niche]

idk why but sweeping just reminds me of..a real old fight now but twin ogrons in wod, kings then

[umbral badger]

it was my favorite skill of all times in warrior "after wod execute"

[winter jungle]

when u had 3 stacks and clapped a mob for 2m+ dmg ms

felt diff

[pulsar berry]

sl season 4 arms was the peak of sweeping strikes fantasy

[umbral badger]

let me tell you, wod was my peak as arms but i don't remember that xd i just remember i used sweeping to execute everything on fights to parse

like to me WoD was the expansion where i abused the fk out of sweeping

more than ever

but that was primarily because execute was stupid dmg wise ad you needed to abuse sweeping to execute high health bosses 😄

from dying adds

[umbral badger]

apparently blizzard did not like a design where your class is "doing nothing" which i understand. they could have made overpower work more like focused rage maybe or slam.

i've never seen a warrior in my life who ACTUALLY loves slam xd

so might as well make it lovable

[junior remnant]

We are getting buffed

[tight wing]

you found one

[umbral badger]

ACTUALLY is the keyword 😄

[junior remnant]

Check out the latest blue posts

[jovial hare]

i used to like slam when it did damage
like 12 years ago lol

[tight wing]

reminds me of chaos strike from my glory days

[umbral badger]

liking it does nto count you have to loove it hard xd

[jovial hare]

longer actually

[winter jungle]

I kinda liked managing rage for FR, empty globals were quite rare if done properly

[umbral badger]

wait

i just realized i did love the old slam

with the cast time

LOL

[winter jungle]

but i understand why ppl dont like

[umbral badger]

remember the cast time slam ?

[jovial hare]

wrecking crew made it go brr

[umbral badger]

that was so cool "but fked"

[junior remnant]

Yes indeed

[umbral badger]

oh god i just realized i used to be a slam lover