arms

[twin agate]

out of all the things you said this is the key information

the rest is useless bullshit

[gaunt owl]

you are the kind of guy that ask someone to google for you

i'm glad i dont play this game anymore

people are too stupid for me

[slow saddle]

Wowhead.com

[twin agate]

why even bother interacting with others on arms channel in a warrior discord for world of warcraft

[next sphinx]

I don't understand why people feel obliged to ask a question when they can check the pins, DPS FAQ, icy-veins, wowhead, some russian dude on youtube ETC. This chat is for people to doom about arms only until parses improve.

[twin agate]

because the pins are outdated

its the 1. week of raid release

😄

[next sphinx]

well you got 4 other places to check

[twin agate]

i already checked all of them which is why i am asking in warrior main discord for extra info

[slow saddle]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/talent-builds-pve-dps

[next sphinx]

None of the guides are holding secret information for Discord users only. So, if that is what you are wondering then you are good to go.

[twin agate]

i didnt know this is a channel for people to doom

[slow saddle]

Like m8

U did not check wowhead

[twin agate]

i have checked this already i ahve

[slow saddle]

But the builds are there

[twin agate]

copied all the builds from there i wanted to know if people play colosuss or something

[slow saddle]

Wdym??

[twin agate]

wdym wdym

what do you mean

bro

[slow saddle]

Jesus warcraftlogs

U idiot

[twin agate]

okay we are insulting now

[slow saddle]

I mean

[twin agate]

https://tenor.com/view/omegalul-lul-lulw-twitch-emote-gif-13523263

[next sphinx]

Archimtiros always keeps the good tips for Discord users only because he hates Wowhead users and loves his lil discord babies.

[tough pond]

You can play whatever you want, no one will trash on you because they already expect you to be last…cause arms

[twin agate]

why is that im playing arms since this expansion i didnt play since war within release

im just confused

[spring vale]

I don't blame Archi, wowhead comments are the fastest haters in the world man

[twin agate]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736

[slow saddle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/46?boss=3176&class=Warrior&spec=Arms

Now u can check rest of bosses

[spring vale]

Wowhead will be like "hitler dead" and wowhead commenters will be like "really? you're happy someone died?"

[twin agate]

thank you !

[slow saddle]

Ya self

[next sphinx]

"alright guys I didn't put this in the guide, but trust, put Mortal Strike on your bars. You'll thank me later"

[slow saddle]

Also keep in mind collosus is 100% pad

[twin agate]

alright

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUKs3Fq3akM&t=1484s

[slow saddle]

Which u can easily c just by checkin sims

[twin agate]

ive seen the video of this guy and he said collus might pop off

[slow saddle]

M8

Wow

Lack of information is thw worsr

Worst

[hushed pine]

Does anyone still play Colossus

[tough pond]

How dare you hand out useful information. Inc more nerfs now

[twin agate]

which is why i am here

[rare kite]

yea everyone on vanguard

[next sphinx]

https://youtu.be/vuuhCQ1jUXQ only guide you need guys. you get one boss this tier.

tbh if all they did to arms was add a lil crown to the class icon I'd be happy with that.

[slow saddle]

critcake- biz any1 else

[nova marsh]

Have you read wowhead comments?

[slow saddle]

Dont waste time

[nova marsh]

I genuinely dont blame him

[untold pewter]

Nah bro, stop
You either don't know what you're looking for or you're not asking the right questions

Wclogs for "builds and how much damage are we doing"
Wowhead for standard basic shit
What the heck do you want to know that ISN'T in those 2 sources?

[next sphinx]

the secret discord only stuff

[twin agate]

i disagree

[worn knoll]

You can disagree all you want, you're still wrong

[untold pewter]

I don't care, what do you want to know?

I'm not asking if you agree or not

[slow saddle]

Wclogs shows a per boss top 100parse builds

Keep in mind most of top logs is pad

[untold pewter]

Lorrrgs for timers and that kind of stuff too

[slow saddle]

I mean if he is askin for wowhead

[untold pewter]

Which also breaks down top 300 logs

[slow saddle]

He doesbt need lorrgs

[untold pewter]

Probably true

[twin agate]

bro all i did was asking what builds you guys run

you can scroll up

[slow saddle]

I press n

Go fury

Solved

[next sphinx]

they won't tell you this in the guide but if your warrior looks sweet like this then you do 100k more DPS.

[untold pewter]

Ok I answered that
Wclogs shows the builds to run

Like with real factual data

That you can literally copy

[twin agate]

no u did this

[untold pewter]

And import

Exactly

The answer is right there

Like literally

[twin agate]

no the actual awnser for me is to leave this incel server asap

gl to you guys

😄

[slow saddle]

LoL

[untold pewter]

Lmfao

[worn knoll]

Brother

[slow saddle]

Incel = u accept idiots like u

We do not

We zug

[untold pewter]

I never even offended the fella, wild

[slow saddle]

I did

[next sphinx]

Ain't nothing involuntary about my celibacy. I like to jork it a lot and my fingies hurt. Please Blizzard I don't want to play fury.

[slow saddle]

When u cant obtain information

[rare kite]

this shit is hilarious

[stray vessel]

i think you should have to choose between cleave and slam and either one you choose turns into heroic strike

[slow saddle]

He prob ret main guys

[worn knoll]

you asked a stupid question with answers/information easily available online through mainstream resources. WCLogs and wowhead are not niche websites to know about if you're in a class discord. And then you threw a hissy fit because someone GAVE YOU the answer with a little bit of snark attached to it becuase you're lazy.

[untold pewter]

He's already gone

[gaunt owl]

the snowflake mentality maybe i was too harsh on him 😄

people are far too serious

its just a fucking game

https://tenor.com/view/why-mad-hockey-gif-13247833

[next sphinx]

Not even a choice dude. Slam is so good. I want more slam. Slam Strike, Overslam, Slamstorm. Slamecute. SlamLeap.

[simple lintel]

that was the warrior dev, you scared him away

[next sphinx]

actually lol'd "ok ill ask them what they're playing so I know what to buff" RAH RAH RAH "oh jeez im gonna go buff UDK this sucks q.q"

[stray vessel]

not like get rid of it lmao just make it a talent where you choose between the 2 for aoe and ST to get rid of a button Xd

[worn knoll]

so wait, what you're saying is... we just got firsthand confirmation that colossus arms is gonna ToTaLlY pOp OfF soon?

[next sphinx]

I knew what you meant. I am saying more slam more gooder. Obviously its the #1 ability since somehow it has survived every iteration of arms and all the prunings.

[worn knoll]

insider information confirmed bois colossus season 2 meta lets go

[gaunt owl]

my uncle dont work at blizzard

[gaunt owl]

now that i've looked at it, i'm sure the mythic mechanic will force you to go ST because the boss will full regen when one die anyway ? 😄

[next sphinx]

here guys. I made a lil meme to get us through this time. please do not steal.

[worn knoll]

what are the odds the warrior class dev at blizzard is actually being held hostage at gunpoint or under duress at the office since midnight beta, and all these nerfs are actually a secret code for him to cause warriors to storm blizz HQ and inevitably find and rescue him?

[gaunt owl]

sadly we arent smart enough to get the secret code

[rare kite]

i've not checked out the journal but if that's true

[next sphinx]

hope that isn't true I ain't going to California.

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/out-of-line-anthony-mackie-sam-wilson-falcon-the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-gif-21182970

[gaunt owl]

thats my secret, i'm always out of line

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-training-day-gif-16743259178450786472

[gaunt owl]

you do remember the number of boss that were completly different on mythic, its not impossible

[rare kite]

yup yup

[stray vessel]

didnt slam used to prc whirlwind?

[next sphinx]

slamwind

(whirlwind would proc slam)

[uncut yacht]

Fervor of battle

i think in bfa it didnt even need 3+ targets

[gaunt owl]

it was 2 iirc

[uncut yacht]

in bfa it was 1

I remember it well

[gaunt owl]

ok thats kinda silly if it was 1

i member the 2 from DF

[uncut yacht]

yea it was just a slam replacement

[worn knoll]

its ok guys we're at least safe on that ONE fucking raid boss lol

[uncut yacht]

i liked it

[worn knoll]

mythic mechanic seems to just be a rotating empowerment buff, nothing related to healing/damage taken

[vapid spire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuQ__BykcB8

Me waiting for Arms Warrior to get a buff

[uncut yacht]

you'll be waiting for a long time, the nepo baby at blizzard is currently playing a Devourer DH

no other way to explain those buffs

[gaunt owl]

so a straight 2 target boss with one taken away

[worn knoll]

Good news is, when the group pops lust 2 of the bosses use divine shield which bricks the first 8 seconds of lust for the whole group, and warr's Shattering throw is one of only 2 abilities in the game capable of removing that shield. Unironically a pretty strong case for bringing 2 warrs to that fight

[uncut yacht]

mass dispell?

[worn knoll]

the bad news is, a single priest can mass dispel both bubbles off too

[uncut yacht]

back to square one then

[worn knoll]

SHHHHH just don't tell the raid lead

[uncut yacht]

and shout is covered by a prot warrior

rest of the raid on that boss is just 14 MM hunters

I solved the meta

[worn knoll]

prot can spec into shatter too

it's in warr tree not arms

[rare kite]

no that's good news. means we can take wrecking throw, wrecking throw owns on paladins so hard.

[worn knoll]

well that's true, wrecking throw is pretty good for the chaplain's shielded cast mechanic

it also works well against the big add on chimaerus

[uncut yacht]

lmao imagine paladins fight, war tank monk tank, heal shaman dru for all buffs and 14 MMs

[vapid spire]

I'm ready

[vapid spire]

Unless its a boss with no ads, its fine. Otherwise MMs sucks ass when there's more than 1 target

[worn knoll]

huh? MM literally gains single target damage if theres 2+ targets instead of only 1

[uncut yacht]

mm is a 2 man cleave king

look at paladin logs lmao

[worn knoll]

bulletstorm buff from rapid fire only stacks to 10 out of 20 max on a single target, once per 45sec you can get 18 stacks using rapid fire following a Volley.

With 2 targets and aspect of the hydra's passive cleave, EVERY rapid fire gives full 20 stacks out of 20, cranks your single target damage to the max

[uncut yacht]

its mathematically impossible to even come close to mm on that fight

[stable fiber]

i dont think this is true

it got nerfed and bug fixed

they still good but arms for sure can match it

[uncut yacht]

not yet, no? wasnt hydra nerf in .5?

[worn knoll]

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm saying MM doesn't "suck ass when there's more than 1 target", it's the exact opposite, MM single target damage ONLY reaches its maximum on 2+ targets

[stable fiber]

esp when people get 4pc

hydra nerf has happened/will happen tomorrow

[uncut yacht]

ah

[stable fiber]

arms 4pc is CRAZY on this fight

[uncut yacht]

well as of now they are untouchable, tomorrow is different

but technically akhtually I am correct

[stable fiber]

i could have done like 165k if my opener wasnt so shit on my heroic kill

[uncut yacht]

assuming perfect play its not even close

[stable fiber]

since im like the 1 arms with 4pc

[unborn canyon]

unless they revert the nerfs

[worn knoll]

hydra nerf is irrelevant to MM's single target damage, with hydra still allowing rapid fire to hit 2 targets MM will still gain single target output in 2-target situations

[stable fiber]

true?

[worn knoll]

i'm talking specifically about bulletstorm stacks since that's the main buff that scales ST damage for MM

[fast wedge]

im sure i am late to the discussion, but are we back?

[stable fiber]

yeah i cant read any of that shit

[fast wedge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1s1d4mt/week_1_heroic_raid_spec_popularity_vs_average/

we are back, right?

[stable fiber]

thats better

does anything on that graph show arms as being back lmao

[fast wedge]

or are we still b'

[worn knoll]

if by "back" you mean "out back getting put down like ol yeller" then yeah we're def back

[fast wedge]

we're middle of the pack and no longer tank damage

seems fine unless you want to be OP

[stable fiber]

not really

[fast wedge]

or am i missing something

[stable fiber]

kinda being artifially boosted by 1 boss

[fast wedge]

if i could thumbs up - i would thumbs that up

[stable fiber]

exclude that boss and its probably around rogue level

ST still real bad

arms is the pad spec that does pad worse

does worse in execute phases

worse before execute

[worn knoll]

let's take a look at other bosses besides the 2 that are completely OP for sweeping strikes shall we?

also looking at boss damage, not padded overall damage

[stable fiber]

idk also kinda fake graphs

[fast wedge]

thanks!

[stable fiber]

people play pad talents on those bosses so you will also do less boss damage

[smoky kayak]

tbf damage to bosses isn't a great metric for a multitarget that classes save their cds for, but I get the point you're trying to make

[sharp wyvern]

boss dmg includes the council boss btw

[stable fiber]

how many arms parses on the last boss

like 2 maybe

lmao

[worn knoll]

4 lol

[sharp wyvern]

are they playing col ?

[stable fiber]

post damage to bosses

on voracius

please

[fast wedge]

FAHHHHH

[stable fiber]

arcane is some ass huh

[worn knoll]

We do well on lightblinded vanguard and twin dragons, and we are middle of the pack on vorasius and salhadaar

[velvet vessel]

only way to apply rend in aoe is TC?

[worn knoll]

(vora and salhadaar both have sweeping strikes opportunities)

[stable fiber]

in aoe you can push tclap or rend itself

[worn knoll]

rend is natively AoE now, it applies to all enemies around you

[velvet vessel]

it is?

[stable fiber]

yes

dont need to sweep it either

[velvet vessel]

trying to get arms for the 2nd to last boss

[velvet vessel]

and ppl not using TC was making me weird

[stable fiber]

yeah you dont really need to talent tclap anymore

[sharp wyvern]

arms is fine see

[stable fiber]

talent points to do the same thing as just pushing rend

arms st is still some ass

cant believe arcane is that low

[sharp wyvern]

surely they didnt use Bladestorm during adds

[stable fiber]

even salhaadar which has a amp arcane sucks

[uncut yacht]

this after the new tuning?

[stable fiber]

and its good cd timings

wtf??

removed that whole specs identity

[worn knoll]

again, vorasius and salhadaar have adds up sporadically during the fight that can be 2-target cleaved by arms warriors, that helps maintain our boss damage on those 2 fights just like twin dragons/light vanguard, just to a lesser extent since it's single-boss encounters

[sharp wyvern]

how do adds help boss dmg ?

[next sphinx]

Its always gonna be lower when one spec is an outlier. If frost is good, all the top end players are gonna play it leaving the sickos and gulps CASUALS to play arcane. When in actuality the two are probably close than you'd think

[sharp wyvern]

if anything adds mean we do less boss dmg

[stable fiber]

i dont agree tbh

[worn knoll]

because when you swap to the adds to do the mechanic you can still sweeping strikes onto boss to maintain part of your dps on them instead of fully dropping your target

[stable fiber]

ive always been pretty good at arcane and its felt like shit this raid

[worn knoll]

it's pretty basic logic tbh

[stable fiber]

also arcane

is a pretty 1 tricked spec

[pale cave]

Yeah vorasius hit box is massive, very easy to cleave him and adds together.

[worn knoll]

obv you'd get more boss damage by tunneling boss and ignoring adds/mechanics, I'm assuming you're not doing that to troll the group though.

but since you are forced to target adds on voracius or orbs on salhadaar, it helps your boss damage if you sweeping strikes off the adds onto boss

[stable fiber]

fake bosses

dragons + is all that matters anyways

[thick kelp]

@minor gust cooking on crown

[rough pewter]

anybody playin slayer arms on m ?

myth

[next sphinx]

Nobody is playing arms on mythic

[stable fiber]

lets see it

[rough pewter]

OH NO

[latent moss]

colossus arms warrior

[thick kelp]

Ending p1 at 160k..

Only slightly behind fury

[stable fiber]

ok

[next sphinx]

: arms warrior

[stable fiber]

so now you do no damage rest of phases

LMAO

"so now what"

[thick kelp]

woah buddy

[stable fiber]

hey

[thick kelp]

underestimatin my p2

[stable fiber]

not saying

its YOUR fault

ig you can use the adds as funnel

under tank in p3 though

[thick kelp]

I am basically full ST here

[thick kelp]

yeah till my devourer presses collapsing star and one shots them

[stable fiber]

you need to do the mechanic right though

so like dont do it right for funnel

[thick kelp]

uhhuh

[worn knoll]

pretty much this. Padding meters with cleave goes hard in p1 when there's 5+ adds up at all times, but good luck playing colossus in the other 2 phases and doing any significant damage to boss where it actually matters

[thick kelp]

I will let them perma live

[next sphinx]

If we keep padding blizzard will never fix the issues. They only review logs to decide changes

[thick kelp]

They dont even look at logs

they have their "internal data"

[next sphinx]

Internal data is Papa Ion lurking Reddit. Thats why he let's MM still one tap people in arenas. Seen to many mages having fun

[worn knoll]

this shit drives me up a wall ngl. Arms is "too risky" to buff because they don't want us to one-tap people with MS/execute in pvp or something ig? But they allow MM to live in its current state no questions asked (40+ yard range too btw lol)

[next sphinx]

Ive always said if im allowed to touch a caster or hunter I should be allowed to send them to visit god.

[dire hinge]

arms owns

[smoky kayak]

PvP has a lot of its own modifiers, so I don't think that's it

[gentle gyro]

[thick kelp]

[gentle gyro]

PvP spec btw

[smoky kayak]

I think it's more to the fact that they really don't want to nerf Cleave (despite an absolutely absurd amount of power being wrapped up into that one single button), to justify any kind of aura buff

[worn knoll]

it feels so fucking bad to do arenas with my guild and my job in pvp is "you stun/fear/slow people, then set up the 50% healing reduction on whoever the DH says is the kill target, so the DH can get the kill while you contribute 20% of his damage"

[next sphinx]

See these are those secret discord tips that guy was talking about earlier

[smoky kayak]

they are also probably expecting the tier to make up a big difference, since it's considerably stronger for Arms than Fury

[thick kelp]

me when 70% of my globals cant proc my apex talents in aoe

[worn knoll]

yeah for sure, I'm just saying arms feels hella bad in pvp right now, nothing to do with pve tuning

[thick kelp]

Only if there was data to show tha this is not the case

[smoky kayak]

I'm not disagreeing, but it is worth acknowledging that sims don't entirely replicate real raid conditions

[dire hinge]

especially when there is no patchwerk fight (in raid) this patch

[smoky kayak]

that said, I think that with as mediocre as Arms cleave is in raid, it should do noticeably higher single target
... but they also probably don't want it to do significantly higher ST while it's also already doing very high cleave (in sustained MT anyway)

[next sphinx]

If we all reroll Pandaren our voice will be too big to ignore.

[smoky kayak]

so to me it seems like a disconnect of intents more than anything else

[shadow ibex]

They dont know how this thing can work without cleave

They invented a button that does everything and is affected by like half the tree

[worldly rivet]

oh, man. that Tauren sunwalker theme set on wowhead looks incredible.

[next sphinx]

So what even is the way forward on that? I have always felt like arms should be the best on a cleave situation. Then the talent tree let's you specialize more in st or aoe. But they dont do enough cleave fights (cleave that matters) for arms to shine.

[worn knoll]

I just want them to get rid of slam entirely and move its damage into OP/MS/Exe

this is gonna sound like blasphemy in this discord but i'd rather have an empty GCD where I just autoattack and pool rage for 1 or 2 GCDs between my MSes instead of having to press slam twice.

[dire hinge]

blizzard is the king of saying they just dont have enough fine tuning knobs to turn, so they add 10 new talents and 10 more talents and 10 more talent and

[shadow ibex]

Supposed to be 2t kings but how relevant that profile is comes and goes

[next sphinx]

Yeah theyre to scared to let us specialize. I think st boss dps shojld be close across the board but then let different classes have their niches. Some can go harder into aoe or cleave. DHs and Rets can do about 70% of the top dps specs damage in each category with their 3 button rotations etc

[shadow ibex]

I think they gotta rethink cleave as what is essentially a MS reskin

[thick kelp]

Hey so this 1 talent had a 100% pickrate, lets split it into 2 and nerf both effects

[shadow ibex]

Its sad that is very specific

But doesnt narrow it down

[worn knoll]

also this design philosophy is a problem for every fucking 2target fight

blizz needs to come up with better ideas for 2-target bosses than "they become stronger if they're together"

[dire hinge]

oooo actually make one of them a two-point node

[proud remnant]

so many talents competing with one another. Just feels like a mess, half baked.

[shadow ibex]

I think the only good 2t fight in like 7 years

Was queen court

[worn knoll]

If they don't want us cleaving both targets then make one of the bosses take 99% reduced damage or some shit idk

but this "hold them 40 yards apart so ranged can cleave and melee can go fuck themselves" is so stupid by now

[proud remnant]

make Mortal Strike cleave targets as well. Combine them

also remove avatar my god

[worn knoll]

it's fine if it's one or two encounters, but literally almost all of the multi-boss fights have some variation of "keep them apart"

[shadow ibex]

Probably impossible to balance

Idk how a melee can shine in 2t while also not having either awful ST or amazing ST

[worn knoll]

I also think blizzard needs to start factoring in non-dps value when balancing classes and specs imho

[next sphinx]

So they do thay by making the single target good, and then letting us cleave.

[worn knoll]

if every spec did exactly 100k dps you'd just pick based off of available raid buffs + utility

which warriors lack severely

[next sphinx]

Some ret paladin is about to beat your ass

[shadow ibex]

Feel like they would point to classic for players that want that

[worn knoll]

they can try, I have shattering throw off CD

[shadow ibex]

Not saying I disagree but that does exist in "modern" wow for those that want it

[pliant crypt]

the problem is that we give much more time for arms warrior that bliz gives they dosent even look this spek

[next sphinx]

Lol my guildy still complains all the time about rets being able to bubble and do 100% damage.

[worn knoll]

it's the same reason I think rogues underperforming is a similar mess to the arms situation

[proud remnant]

ya lets be real the main issue is blizzard isnt putting in enough resources to make this game AMAZING. its fine, but they just mail it in

[worn knoll]

these are classes with minimal/niche utility at best, you only need 1 of them in your raid group for battle shout/atrophic, they need to be bringing some minimally competitive DPS to the table to justify a spot in any high-end comp

[next sphinx]

If you are a mage, warlock, or hunter i feel like the game always feels amazing.

[smoky kayak]

Cleave is fine, Cleave being cast 45% of the time in multitarget and making up 60% of the damage is a little less so

[proud remnant]

mortal cleave incoming - new abliltity

[next sphinx]

Id love it if Blizzard removed all warrior utility and committed to arms being the dps spec. I dont like helping my friends anyways!

[worn knoll]

not what I'm saying, but like.... they nerfed piercing howl.

[proud remnant]

well its hardly helping anyway

we do no ulility \

[next sphinx]

Im saying it.

[proud remnant]

so ya go all in

[minor gust]

[next sphinx]

If I cant bubble or give a healer innervate let me dumpster the dps and call DKs babies for having to be ressurectdd

[shadow ibex]

Yea thats what I mean. I think its been a little one note since tww but finally starting to rear its head

I would like to see them go back to the SL idea

[proud remnant]

SL arms felt pretty good IMO

[thick kelp]

@latent moss SL arms!

[smoky kayak]

I don't even remember SL Arms anymore

[latent moss]

goat

[next sphinx]

Guys should they bring back condemn

[latent moss]

no

bring back night fae arms

[vapid spire]

What was night fae arms ?

I was playing Bastion

[next sphinx]

Guys should they bring back the winter queen and make her my GF

[latent moss]

enduring blows

ms>op>exe>slam

[worn knoll]

I just wish Champion's Spear had some actual real utility in PvE 🙁

would be hilarious if they turned it into a mass grip like gorefiend's and left DKs in shambles

[fresh spire]

condemn condemn condemn condemn condemn condemn condemn condemn condemn condemn condemn condemn condemn condemn

[smoky kayak]

well I meant I don't remember the multitarget

[fresh spire]

we had bonegrinder right?

[thick kelp]

we talkin about Sanctum here

none of that nathria stuff

[fresh spire]

cleave op cleave op cleave

[smoky kayak]

I played Arms through most of Sanctum, but it was ST simulator

[fresh spire]

scantum was the best arms we had in ages

for st

[latent moss]

same as st xddd

[fresh spire]

when MS fucks arms Fucks

[latent moss]

except bs on cd

[fresh spire]

most of arms cleave was bladestorm and DN

dn fucked

[latent moss]

dn was crazy

wb did a lot as well

idk sanctum arms

every button was crazy

[dire hinge]

it was cozy and easy

[worn knoll]

also why did this talent have to get fucking shot in the head this xpac

[next sphinx]

True that's why we are nerfing MS by 25% and applying a 5% buff to slam. This is a very iconic warrior ability and we really want you using it.

[worn knoll]

3 GCDs for a 15% total increase to one cast wtf is the point

[latent moss]

true

[vapid spire]

I hated using slam even when it was good

[thick kelp]

3gcds between every MS

dead talent in exe phase but

[dire hinge]

we've also never really cared about MP stacks so it's the same as it ever has been: sugar on top

[latent moss]

idk why our talent isnt like devourer

apex talent

ms always crits

[worn knoll]

When I saw they were making Martial Prowess 5% per stack I was like "oh okay maybe they'll buff the baseline damage of MS to make it less reliant on perfect rotation play and just have a higher damage floor" but nope lol

[latent moss]

extends cs or procs cs or something

idk

[proud remnant]

arms is in sad state

[thick kelp]

Crits crit more

[next sphinx]

That'd be to cool for pvp.

[proud remnant]

maybe next xpac it will be fun

[latent moss]

@thick kelp holy i have such a cook for the apex

ep works both ways as last apex

ms buffs exe by 70%

heavy handed in spec tree

[worn knoll]

marksman apex is the same thing, aimed shot always crits and 50% of crit chance is added to crit damage instead so crit doesn't lose stat value

[thick kelp]

:)

[worn knoll]

go fucking figure

[latent moss]

all arms needs to be more enjoyable aside from numbers

is to make ms dmg consistent

[next sphinx]

Damn MM sounds cool af

[shadow ibex]

Early in beta cleave was unlocked by hitting enough targets with ww

[latent moss]

ye arms should have this too

[shadow ibex]

Was very expensive ability as well

[spring vale]

That on top of this talent which ALL MM builds can easily pick up lol

[shadow ibex]

But since it was effectively a like 100+ rage cost ability, it hit like a truck

[proud remnant]

hunter dev sounds fun

[spring vale]

hunter dev actually logs on to work

[proud remnant]

must be nice

[spring vale]

meanwhile warrior dev got that spoon placed on top of the work laptop trackpad to stop teams from going idle

[next sphinx]

Well at least aimed shot doesnt apply a healing reduction!

[worn knoll]

It'd be cool if they reworked Fatality to "your next Execute against a target with a Fatal Mark is a guaranteed critical strike with increased crit effectiveness"

or Master Tactician to "when you use mortal strike with 3 stacks of martial prowess your mortal strike is a guaranteed critical" idk

like how is one of the 3 end-tree talents for us "Tactician has a 5% increased chance to trigger" lmfao it's not only weak, it's completely uninspired

[proud remnant]

well too bad enjoy boring

[worn knoll]

30->35% proc rate for an end-of-tree talent pick T_T

[proud remnant]

and deep wounds LOL which was a passive before

or mortal wounds i mean

[worn knoll]

it doesn't? lol

[spring vale]

new deep wounds fucks but without skullsplitter/thunderous roar to juice it, it doesn't feel like it

[worn knoll]

I'm pretty sure aimed shot does have the healing reduction on it no?

[next sphinx]

Replace all cleave modifiers to affect execute. Remove cleave and make execute hit 1 extra target baseline, cleaving strikes increasing it to a third. Remove execute cooldown and let me be the god of death during execute phase

[proud remnant]

and avatar which was in other tree. nice

everything just feels lazy

they lucky im addicted still

[spring vale]

Avatar also catching the stray of no longer removing snares/slows

guess the freedom effect was too strong

[slim iron]

Blizz doesn't want wars to be able to get out of snare. Sit in root and suffer

[spring vale]

S1 Zekvir would have been so much harder without avatar removing snare

[thick kelp]

@minor gust ok nvm

this p3 is just piss

[worn knoll]

lol we told you

[thick kelp]

let a man dream

[minor gust]

I'm really just feeling full sT or just cleave no collat

[worn knoll]

dude I don't blame you, demolish feels so fucking good to press, if it was at all viable in single target i'd be colossus arms every fucking fight, slayer be damned

[next sphinx]

Seriously my third eye just opened about how MM offers almost everything arms can but at ranged and better. Plus bonuses like turtle shell, 2 wall, a full heal.

[thick kelp]

i will try with cleave

only

[dire hinge]

more like

[worn knoll]

losing the juggernaut minigame of maintaining 15 stacks took a huge chunk of fun out of slayer for me personally

[minor gust]

There's no helping you if that was fun for you

[worn knoll]

juggernaut stacks wouldve been much better with a longer duration to make downtime less ass, but removing them entirely was a mistake imho

ramping execute damage is fun as fuck

[gaunt owl]

problem with juggy 15 stack is that it was all rng shit show

[worn knoll]

just sucked losing stacks during phase transitions and such, i agree

[gaunt owl]

if at least a bit of skill expression could have been possible

[proud remnant]

atleast it felt like i was pumping in execute phase

execute now sucks

[worn knoll]

again, I know it had issues, I'm saying the 15-stack executes felt fucking GOOD

they shouldve ironed out the issues instead of deleting the mechanic entirely

[minor gust]

This is because of bad tuning not because Jugg is gone

Jugg was awful and deserved to be removed

[proud remnant]

so does ravanger and avatar

[minor gust]

Indeed

[worn knoll]

i hate pressing avatar too

just bake it into CS at this point idk

[proud remnant]

avatar fucks alot up

[gaunt owl]

they shot Execute in the back too

[slim iron]

Why can't they just have 2 bosses that are okay if they stand next to each other?

[rare kite]

horrible opinion. perhaps the worst opinion

[worn knoll]

spell literally called Execute can't actually fucking kill anything feelsbadman

[next sphinx]

We'd still probably lose to DHs passive cleave on all abilities for no loss of st

[fossil root]

Like a fist punch in doom eternal

[proud remnant]

1 step forward 2 steps back

always and forever

[vast helm]

save arms

[next sphinx]

Why what happened

[slim iron]

Well this archon list makes me think we'd lose to just about everyone

[next sphinx]

Not in heart

[sharp wyvern]

only in ST

[proud remnant]

Night Fae arms shadowlands was goated for M+

sad place we are in now

back when bladestorm actually did damage to groups

[pure jasper]

bring back condemn

[nova marsh]

But guys

Its "iconic"

[worn knoll]

idk man, I feel like if blizz wants us to be spamming execute during execute phase on a boss, it's just fun to have that button gradually ramping up in damage for 20-30sec before hitting a high ceiling to help clutch out some extra DPS for a kill during that last push on a prog fight.

I know the talent had its issues with RNG/downtime/stacks falling off like I said, but it was still a good feeling when you hit 15 stacks and started seeing crazy crits pop up. Should've fixed/adjusted it, not removed it

[proud remnant]

cant spam shit anymore with rage issues

execute phase feels the worse its ever felt

[worn knoll]

Execute should start above average and ramp up to ludicrous numbers

it just felt good

[proud remnant]

i get what ur saying and i agree

[river ridge]

But then you have stinky si gle target for most of the fight.

Which makes it awkward around certain encounters

[worn knoll]

I don't care as long as I get to dumpster on people during execute phase and climb up 5+ spots on the meters in the last 20% of the fight.

I loved that underdog feeling

[river ridge]

I care a lot about not having atrocious single target for 80% of a fight

[rare kite]

i don't see a way to fix it. it's such garbage design with high stacks

legion arms didn't have juggernaut and it fucked in execute phase

[worn knoll]

yeah but legion arms had focused rage T_T

god I miss that button

[sharp wyvern]

ew

worst button ever

[worn knoll]

and exec precision was a crazy buff per stack to MS too, I don't remember exactly

[worn knoll]

that was way more about MS damage than execute damage is what I'm saying

[worn knoll]

it's a better filler than slam imo

[sharp wyvern]

did you like pressing ignore pain aswell in DF

[river ridge]

I'd much rather Slam. Doesn't allow inexperienced players to make huge rage economy mistakes. Actually tells them spending rage does damage in this exact moment

[worn knoll]

If it wasn't on the GCD, i'd take ignore pain every time, I enjoy active mitigation skills

but being on the GCD kills it for arms

[rare kite]

that's fine with me. execute buffing ms felt nice

EP goated talent

[sharp wyvern]

no we pressed IP as aa rage dump button to get more test of might % but it was basically the saame gameplay as focused rage

[river ridge]

Worse even.

[next sphinx]

I liked it

[worn knoll]

Oh really? I didn't play DF

that seems sketch af though

[proud remnant]

lets just admit the fact that blizzard screwed up on hero talents being shared between two specs

[sharp wyvern]

it was

[next sphinx]

I would have preferred an attack rage dump because my health is a healers problem, but appreciated some kind of a dumper until execute phase.

[sharp wyvern]

they screwed up not deleting hero talents for midnight

[worn knoll]

but it also has more to do with the CS window due to wanting to dump rage for test of might no?

I'm saying focused rage as a standard filler like current slam

[proud remnant]

how can you balance hero trees between 2 specs? you cant and it shows.

[sharp wyvern]

it would still suck imo

[next sphinx]

Unfortunately pvp

[river ridge]

No it had to do with us having too much rage. And a strangled GCD economy.

[sharp wyvern]

at least they fixed it and put IP on the gcd

[river ridge]

And removed it from ToM for S3 DF

[sharp wyvern]

which made DF S3 actually goated except fatality

its crazy how they removed all the things we hated brought a button back people loved and arms still sucks

and they basically removed our execute dmg

[worn knoll]

What I mean is, that ignore pain situation is inherently boring because it's "dump rage with [button] to gain a slightly stronger test of might buff after CS", focused rage is a lot more appealing to me personally at least because it's a sizeable buff to your next mortal strike hit (which is a visible number on your screen when it hits) instead of some obscure percentage value in test of might's buff tooltip

idk I see how they're similar but I don't think it's the same

[sharp wyvern]

i think people would have better takes if they played specs without combat text on

then you would actually feel the gameplay

[next sphinx]

Just give heroic strike back. It was fhe ultimate tuning knob for arms warriors. If we got to much rage: boom heroic tuah on dat thang

[sharp wyvern]

but we do have heroic strike back

[next sphinx]

We have slam 2 you mean

[short oasis]

and armor pen!

[worn knoll]

I do feel the gameplay regardless of combat text, I still have to piano my rotation, and slam as a filler feels like wiping my ass with sandpaper

[short oasis]

what a fucking joke this spec is rn

[next sphinx]

Why what happened?

[sharp wyvern]

i wait for the one boss where they give them no armour and it goes negative so we oneshot it

[river ridge]

I mean that's an issue of rage economy and blizzard not settling in on a choice. Heroic Strike (old version) was a symptom of just bad rage economy

[sharp wyvern]

heroic strike was just what cursader strikes are for ret

but you had to press it

[river ridge]

And honestly until Windfury got reintroduced in SL, Arms had decent rage economy

[sharp wyvern]

in DF we had infinite rage

that was nice too

[worn knoll]

with rage economy stuff I feel like it's an easy fix if they just made slam/HS cost 0 rage

[sharp wyvern]

that wont fix our execute rage

[worn knoll]

yea fair point tbh

bigger refund from imp exe talent maybe? idk

[sharp wyvern]

in DF they tuned our rage to execute phase which is why we had to much outside of it
and appereantly people didnt like having too much rage

[latent moss]

just make exe 20 rage

[sharp wyvern]

so here we are

[latent moss]

static

[sharp wyvern]

isnt it already with the refunding ?

[ripe oxide]

"my steak is too juicy and lobster too buttery"

[latent moss]

if u talent into all 3 no its still not but its close

imp exe and 2x ct

3 talent points to make exe pressable without eating ur rage bar

[minor gust]

Arms rage is forever gonna be in a state of too much rage or too little. Shit really needs a massive overhaul that we'll never get

So for now we just enjoy our pendulum

[worn knoll]

Maybe a talent to mirror executioners precision where each execute reduces the rage cost of next MS? Get a loop going between the two

Or the other way around, make MS give a 6 sec window of cheaper executes or smth

[short oasis]

you know the usual, boring mastery, them killing slayer in 12.05, feels like apex talent is just a nostalgia bait and boring af etc

[vast helm]

just want some Execute moment for Arms as old days

[short oasis]

could go on and on

them putting on a bandaid of 15%dmg doesnt fix in what state we are rn

[umbral badger]

brother i am trying too hard to find a way where we can have some cleave and single target in the arms colossus build, it's ltierally impossible to play cleave without removing most of the ST shit LoL

[sharp wyvern]

that has been an issue since the talent trees came out

[umbral badger]

i need to start a protest so they reduce the number of talents i need for this swap

[sharp wyvern]

for arms*

[umbral badger]

btw since fatal mark says "to your target" does tht mean the sweeping target does not get afffected by it

?

[sharp wyvern]

seems like a simple test

[umbral badger]

in raid so can't test xd

late week raiding guild

stuck with fury since i don't wanna experiment at the raids cost

[smoky kayak]

no, only the target afflicted by the Fatal Mark debuff takes damage from it

if your Mortal Strike hits 2 targets, either target may get a stack of Fatal Mark, but they will not both get it - PPM stuff doesn't normally work that way, it randomly triggers on a target

[slim iron]

Im using the castsequence stance macro and whenever I come out of being dead I have to push it twice to get into dps stance. Is there a way for it to cast the one that is not currently active

[smoky kayak]

yeah that's bad, check #1237307732705415228

[slim iron]

[uncut yacht]

bfa nyalotha, double rage gain neck ability into exe spam

[umbral badger]

kinda sucks more if it is random on either target i guess

rather if it was just on my primary target then

[flint cedar]

Did anyone slap as arms for their raids? I know the parsing was higher than normal due to the LACK of spec participating. Middle of the pack maybe?

Did ok on chimera. Did well on bottom phases which bumped the final numbers

[minor gust]

Parsing is both harder and easier when there's low participation. For example my rank 6 dragons kill was only purple!

[flint cedar]

Same with 1st boss. Paladins and last boss

[flint cedar]

Tuning aside...forgetting about arms tuning....SCREW the dragon bosses lol

[worn knoll]

I managed to get a 98 parse on H salhadaar, but blue parsed everywhere else so far, I was just going for boss damage and not padding meters tho. Doing duo dragons and onward with guild tonight, but my hopes arent too high tbh

[short oasis]

Arms can do good on that fight

[flint cedar]

Yea. It is still too soon for blizzard to post if they are adding changes to tomorrow notes?

[short oasis]

if dragons are close enough

[worn knoll]

Even my 98 parse on salhadaar was only 66k dps tho lmao feelsbadman

[short oasis]

Its not easy being a arms warrior this xpac

or last one

or the one before that

but if you get those dragons close enought and you have powerfull momentum talent you can do quite a lot of dmg

[minor gust]

It's not happening don't count on it

Arms is fine in blizzards eyes

[worn knoll]

Still 5th place below blue and purple parses tho 🙁

[short oasis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1481782435049111779/dead-arms.gif

Pain

maybe blizzard will give us unholy threatment at some point

24h fix

[worn knoll]

Terminally ill with 24h life expectancy maybe, but a 24h fix? Kek

[gaunt owl]

stage 4 cancer for Arms

[gaunt owl]

i had some like those were i was 2nd as pink parse and rogue grey parsing as 1st

fun times

[short oasis]

Stage 4 cancer in both arms

[vast helm]

ya even on 10.2 we still had some Execute moment

[gaunt owl]

i member the execute spam

[dire hinge]

Lmao had one of those myself too

Always so silly

[rapid bronze]

rofl

arms is bad but I feel like fury is getting gaslit into thinking they're a top spec

https://klipy.com/gifs/omni-man-invincible-2

[spring vale]

critcake playing rsi spec only to get mogged by boomerlock and frost

[rapid bronze]

this is on crown, he even parsed 100 on ilvl

salhadar ;_;

[fervent cedar]

[spring vale]

this is so sad

[rapid bronze]

lmao which fight is that

[thick kelp]

Cosmos

[rapid bronze]

im impressed someone bothered on that fight LOL

please tell me this is on normal or something

those parses don't deserve to kill it

[thick kelp]

it was a 0.1% wipe

on hc

[dim basalt]

rip

[rapid bronze]

holy shit lol

[minor gust]

Is this with just cleave or did you try out broad + powerful?

[thick kelp]

this is with broad only

[minor gust]

Nice yeah I saw that one parse with just broad earlier

[thick kelp]

I was doing 72k

[minor gust]

I will try that next time we do cosmos

[thick kelp]

But I think broad might be overrated

just manually press ss

[minor gust]

Hmmm

[thick kelp]

i think is enough

[minor gust]

Make sense too because I only see broad being nice in P1

[thick kelp]

this is my p1 blobs

with broad

[minor gust]

Really is just a full ST angle

[thick kelp]

I think I could have manged the same with just manually ss

i never really ran out of broad strokes ss charges

[minor gust]

I can see the guy who went broad only just did it because he didn't want to press SS

Peak minimal effort

[smoky kayak]

na not even remotely, and it's gonna fall as more people get their tier sets and general power inflation rises (to the point adds die faster/easier)

[rapid bronze]

yeah but that's what I mean, people seem to have this idea that fury is actually good

"oh why have you been saying warrior is garbage you seem to be doing alright as fury"

[halcyon valve]

im fucking around with running FoB to cheese some 50% extra dmg heroic strikes

[minor gust]

What really helps is being able to pop SS before the pull again. I remember when they randomly fixed that in undermine. I was in the middle of OAB prog which fucked me over because If you didn't pre pop SS it wasn't ready for first add set

[rose ibex]

I hope so. My fury loving friend has been talking about how I should switch to it (and I did for a few boss fights) but farming 2 sets with different secondaries sounds irritating as hell and I'd rather just play arms

I feel like padding is skewing the numbers pretty heavily

I think about the pugs who get cut because they don't bother to pad their dps on adds so they just look bad compared to others

[sand totem]

I was thinking that today in a pug. anyone not padding was kicked, even in their boss damage was third highest haha

[flint cedar]

LMFAO - well new changes came out again - https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dungeon-tuning-incoming-march-24/2278786/6

They buffed dungeons

[smoky kayak]

that was like an hour ago

[rose ibex]

Like im pretty sure dot specs like feral should really just ignore the adds and focus boss

[flint cedar]

Im just getting home! give me a break 😛

[rose ibex]

But then they look bad

[smoky kayak]

ngl dungeons are pretty easy though, so I can't really get mad at this

especially academy, that place was by far the easiest (though I wish they buffed it more and left the pins intact)

[rose ibex]

We wiped on last boss and one of our tanks was talking about cutting the feral but the other talked him out of it and we aced it on the next try

[dreamy sandal]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/arms-warrior-buffs-and-guardian-druid-nerfs-more-last-minute-class-tuning-380923?utm_source=discord-webhook

WE BACK?

[quaint kindle]

🍾

[green dew]

AY

YO

[tepid yew]

we back?

[blissful bane]

No way that's enough lol

[spring vale]

xd

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/peanutting-it-the-burnt-peanut-gif-11603416929582216884

[dreamy sandal]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[dusky fern]

https://tenor.com/view/peanutting-it-the-burnt-peanut-gif-11603416929582216884

[spring vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1484017612227608670/a1vjj2.gif

[granite basin]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[wind hatch]

They actually did it

THANK U BLIZZARD

[quaint kindle]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[finite panther]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

[granite basin]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

[hollow herald]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1404607648367775854/884dae019b604034a488bde11a71bd29.gif

[left minnow]

now we are back

[dim basalt]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[wind hatch]

This is a time of celebration

[minor gust]

This is arms we dont celebrate

[misty bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-coffin-dance-bad-coffin-dance-coffin-dance-coffin-dance-gif-17177441

[dull thorn]

Better than nothin

[sand totem]

are we back boys?

[unique steppe]

at this pace arms might be "good" by the last titan

[dreamy sandal]

12% to MS and 15% to Execute is good, but is it enough?

[dim basalt]

Its nowhere near enough lmao

[calm hollow]

arms is still bench tier

[dreamy sandal]

Yeah....

[dry pine]

in this raid this looks like a ... nerf? what the fuck is this

[minor gust]

gonna be prob just a 3-4% ST gain if were lucky

[gray maple]

guys its okay we can compete with the tanks now

[minor gust]

its not really much

[worldly rivet]

A buff to slayer.

Seems like a nerf to Colo. But idk the number nerds will figure it out.

[upbeat maple]

bro what shroom are u on

[spare hedge]

But it's cleave damage reduced so it's still meh?

[worldly rivet]

speaking from mythic plus

[calm hollow]

its true tho, there is no ST in the raid

[misty sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/we-saved-saved-secured-protected-gif-10281494

[sharp wyvern]

are we back ?

[latent pasture]

lots of cleave target, and cleave is reduced

[last saddle]

no its a nerf

[misty bridge]

xd?

[misty sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/stone-cold-steve-austin-gif-27207643

[blissful bane]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-5275984653907547388

[dry pine]

ok. maybe not a nerf, i´m sorry, i´m sorry. lmao

[misty bridge]

the takes lmao

jfc

[smoky berry]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.wowhead.com/news/arms-warrior-buffs-and-guardian-druid-nerfs-more-last-minute-class-tuning-380923?utm_source=discord-webhook

[sharp wyvern]

i dont think this is gonna do anything tbh

[smoky berry]

buffs?!

[ashen trout]

u guys think arms will be played in the raid at all

[ripe oxide]

not enough

[junior spruce]

you're late brother

[last saddle]

look at our dmg profile

[smoky berry]

[hasty thunder]

I mean is plus for the 15% damage buff to all damage

[sharp wyvern]

actually its nice slayer buff

SD gonna trunk

[agile igloo]

Ms needs another fiddy

[smoky berry]

i will be there

[hushed pine]

50/50 honestly

[serene horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-oh-yeah-gif-oh-yeah-meme-kool-aid-kool-aid-man-gif-18211119326397565445

[last saddle]

we dont even press execute

this is on averzian

[wind hatch]

that's because you are playing colossus

[shy dew]

man, they should buff overpower back

[misty bridge]

kek

[shy dew]

and bring back old talents where ur overpower buffs MS

[sharp wyvern]

check a ST log

[wind hatch]

You do not play colossus on any fight except for lightblinded vanguard

[shy dew]

this wont fix

[last saddle]

there are none

[sharp wyvern]

its a ST buff not a aoe buff

[brittle fiber]

Does sweeping strikes not have a meter anymore?

[shy dew]

its just a band-aid again

[last saddle]

st = we are dogshit so who cares about st buff

go from 0% to 1%

[wind hatch]

You cant be serious lol

[last saddle]

this is a nerf for m+ and the fights in raid that we can pump

[hasty thunder]

Cleave go wild in MT tho

[eternal edge]

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[weak rain]

it's around 4%, right?

[sharp wyvern]

slayer on vorasius

[wind hatch]

That's how balancing works, they buff things that are too weak and nerf things that are too strong

[sand totem]

fuck theres a lot of gloom in here. We eatin, a lot better than nothin

[dim basalt]

prob around 3-4 ye

[hasty thunder]

Facts

[unique steppe]

eatin what, shit? lol

[halcyon valve]

we are so back

[shy dew]

spec need a rework not just those annoying buffs, they literally can fix it, reverting every good talent we had

[hasty thunder]

I mean... It's a double buff

[dreamy sandal]

Bro we have been feed shit sandwiches for the whole beta cycle up to now, just cause we upgraded to a golden turd does not make it better sadge

[sharp wyvern]

a new apex talent which was a buff a 15% aura buff and now another 4% buff just so we can be mediocre at best

[ripe oxide]

i'm supposed to enjoy nothing burgers my bad

[rancid charm]

every relevant encounter phase is ST, like aoe on alleria is basically just padding

[short oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/dbz-strong-sky-gif-14611436

WERE SO BACK

[sharp wyvern]

20% worth of buffs and we wont be middle of the pack

[last saddle]

its like a 2% nerf in aoe

[unique steppe]

it's inconsequential and lazy. spec needs an entire rework, not sub standard buffs

[glacial pebble]

is it seriously not enough

?

[worldly rivet]

They should've annotated this is really a Slayer buff lol

[shy dew]

chat gpt buff as always

[hasty thunder]

How a buff it's a nerf in aoe??!?!?!?!?

[last saddle]

10% reduced cleave dmg

[shy dew]

they nerfed cleav

[misty bridge]

@dire hinge give us some positivity and wise words, they need it

[halcyon valve]

The changes we were looking for (kind of)

[hasty thunder]

Oh... Sorry... My mind skip the cleave "reduce"

[verbal tendon]

Nerf cleave…? Sigh…

What’s the ST impact? 2%??

[hasty thunder]

I thought all of them were increase

[sharp wyvern]

we are gonna do more ST than thane guys

we are saved

[jovial hare]

are we actually gonna do ST dam again

[dire hinge]

Yeah these were the changes we wanted folks. This is good for us ngl. Yes, losing some cleave damage stinks, but we use MS in AoE too folks

[raw zenith]

like 5%

[verbal tendon]

😂

[dire hinge]

We want even more obviously, but this is good for us

[misty bridge]

Ty Hroth ❤️

[modest marlin]

cleave was a bit bonkers in AoE lol

[minor gust]

A lot of people somehow surprised at a cleave nerf

[dire hinge]

I’m surprised it wasn’t nerfed weeks ago

[raw zenith]

yeah, if you were doing bad overall in dungeons on Arms, you're awful. class was pretty damn strong

[sharp wyvern]

we got the same change MM got last week

[dusk geyser]

cleave getting only 10% nerf

[dire hinge]

Yeah we got off easy there

This is nice tho

Wish reap was back but we’ll take it

[worldly rivet]

Wait til mythic + opens lol

[weak rain]

still will be used on st, right? KEKW

[minor gust]

only unfortunate thing about this set of tuning is OP wasnt buffed as well

[wicked aurora]

pog

[weak rain]

and HS

[modest marlin]

it was a classic "Truck on trash, suck on bosses"

[dire hinge]

We did fine in AoE but sucked on bosses in M+ so this is good for us in dungeons

[dry pine]

our aoe was definitely strong, kinda thinking the MS buff could be like 5% more and maybe add something to overpower aswell?

[worldly rivet]

Let's see how cleave is after these next two weeks

I'm shocked they aren't buffing Slam aka HS.

[misty bridge]

Cleave will be fine

[cobalt lodge]

What are the thoughts on the latest changes? Nerfed in aoe, gained a little in boss damage?

[worldly rivet]

It hits like a wet noodle without the talent.

[shy dew]

would be better they just remove slam and bring HS to proc in overpower and buff overpower

[rose ibex]

Good changes

[odd ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-rayleigh-cry-crying-wipe-tears-gif-11886906502939689583

[minor gust]

minor buff in ST minor nerf in aoe

[shy dew]

they need to buff overpower

[rose ibex]

Slayer buffs

[odd ledge]

guys

[minor gust]

not much changes

[thick kelp]

our st sim migjt crack 95k now

[raw zenith]

5% isn't "minor"

i don't know what word I'd use instead, but minor is like pessimistic af

[minor gust]

[shut blade]

ARM warrior is SO BACK

[ripe oxide]

bruh

[rare kite]

actual buff hmhge

[minor gust]

think how you like

[sharp wyvern]

its still gonna be trolling to play arms tho

[haughty tapir]

why cleave nerf

[shy dew]

before we were losing to tank at ST, now we doing 1k more than tank

[sharp wyvern]

[haughty tapir]

arms catching nerfs when its the worst in the game lmao

[soft dew]

Baceuse cleave too strong

[minor gust]

because its been stupidly overtuned

[dusk geyser]

sandbag the spec for the next 2 weeks so we get more buffs

[elder path]

We are more than 5 percent behind many other classes so you can see how people are adequately whelmed

[jovial hare]

bc cleave is the only good ability arms has and its actually rly strong

[wicked aurora]

because cleave bad button

[full furnace]

cleave was busted af

[sharp wyvern]

we´ve already been doing that

so far we got 20% buffs

[halcyon valve]

This

[fossil dagger]

Hello chat did Arm get its “S” back?

[dry pine]

guardian is bleeding for our wellbeing. all hail the bear woobies who cant ever have a good first season start either

[odd ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/im-thinking-im-back-john-wick-keanu-reeves-gif-13729874

[halcyon valve]

Cleave was dramatically overtuned

[spring vale]

bro bear will still mog arms in ST

[halcyon valve]

Compared to every other ability

[dusk geyser]

thats true, we're close to the middle we need something more

[median jungle]

S for sad

[reef glade]

is arms saved???

surely cleave nerf doesnt kill it on council

[elder path]

Nah

[sharp wyvern]

we are still at the bottom half and we dont have alot of pad in ST builds

[rose ibex]

Im just happy execute is going to do more damage than slam

[elder path]

But you might not be forced to use it in single target in m+ 🙏

[shy dew]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ZyptoPower-more-moar-i-want-Z3pez2XOAb11naBDbh

[halcyon valve]

May be dmg neutral somewhat
Mortal strike buff good, and you always hit two targets on that fight

[reef glade]

truth nuke

[haughty tapir]

was cleave actually overtuned or is this ranged DPS propoganda

[full furnace]

ms and execute buffs farly outweigh cleave nerfs for all fights in the raid

[reef glade]

i mean cleave is doing like over 50% of our dmg on aoe

but yea

[grizzled stump]

Yeah nerfing cleave wouldn’t of made a difference

[elder path]

Plus we were actually great on that council fight so we will be fine there

[minor gust]

MS still fucks on that boss prob wont change anything

[halcyon valve]

Cleave critting like double the dmg of mortal strike? It was overtuned

[sharp wyvern]

guardian still ahead of us on sims

[short oasis]

why cleave nerf?

[neat peak]

Buffssss

[haughty tapir]

sounds like mortal strike was just bad

[minor gust]

do you play arms?

[shy dew]

our aoe is just cleave wish they could bring back dreadnaught back

[fleet axle]

arms is back?

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-truth-nuke-walter-white-true-breaking-bad-truth-nuke-breaking-bad-true-gif-2370094217877194192

[spring vale]

unironically dotc guardian just rocks arms

[halcyon valve]

Yeah its both of course, which is why ms buff and cleave nerf

[sharp wyvern]

people asking why cleave nerf never looked at council logs

[rare kite]

coz it does like 60% of our damage in m+. stupid spell

[soft dew]

People not knowing that cleave was overtuned really didn't play arms

[short oasis]

Yeah, like only good m+ dmg

• that reap the storm proc

[sudden topaz]

JUST SAW THE TUNING

[boreal bay]

We good to switch from fury to arms and be decent now?

[sudden topaz]

WE BACK

[gray maple]

any one who compains about cleave being nerfed doesnt have a right to ask for buffs we want balance not to be utterly broken

[edgy solstice]

yeah but no compensation aoe and aoe was still kinda bad

[odd ledge]

stop being a lil B

[haughty tapir]

I literally havent picked up Arms once this season, so yes, that is correct

[odd ledge]

and appreciate the buffs

[shy dew]

to prot

[elder path]

Me when tuning requires some things to go up and some to go down 🤯

[soft dew]

Then it was a valid question!

[short oasis]

WE EATING GOOD TONIGHT

[tacit crow]

Cleave nerf makes room for other tuning choices down the line without pushing us into silly zone

[sharp wyvern]

i take another 10% cleave nerf for MS to get buffed again

[arctic iris]

I unironically wish they would delete cleave

Take the stuff that buffs it and make it affect Whirlwind instead, it's stupid that the "upgraded" replacement has a worse AoE size/shape

[wicked aurora]

bring back big WW

[halcyon valve]

Cleave is cooler than whirlwind tbh

[wicked aurora]

no

[odd ledge]

also whoever said guardian beats arms, didnt read the patch notes

[spring vale]

Cleave is good, SS is the problem

[wicked aurora]

cleave is boring

[sharp wyvern]

but people hate ww

[naive lion]

Does arms sim higher than fury now???

[graceful sun]

Cleave is so cool

[ripe oxide]

twirling is lame

[wicked aurora]

I want my Storm of Swords WW back

[elder path]

^

[sharp wyvern]

we sim less than guardian druid even after buffs

[halcyon valve]

Now that i can understand and support

[sharp wyvern]

but tank sims are fake

[ivory quartz]

ms > hs in execute now prolly?

[tacit crow]

Classic Cleave with SS FUCKS modern Cleave is ok as well

[thick kelp]

no, still a solid 10% behind

[odd ledge]

No

Guardian

Maul, Raze, and Ravage damage reduced by 20%.
Heart of the Wild: Cat Form and Moonkin Form damage reduced by 20%.
Moonfire and Red Moon damage reduced by 10%.
Season 1 4-piece set bonus: Celestial Might causes your Maul, Raze and Ravage to strike again at 50% effectiveness (was 100%).

[sharp wyvern]

oh

right

[sudden topaz]

closer than that once tier sets come online

[arctic iris]

People hate WW because it sucks, not because the ability is conceptually bankrupt

This was prehistoric, but I remember in WotLK when WW was like Fury's hardest hitting ability and people loved it

Then they took it out back and shot it in the head eight times because they didn't want Fury to have so much free cleave

[odd ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smile-shyboos-smile-gif-24233810

[dire hinge]

Funnily enough the second time this has happened

[arctic iris]

There's a middle ground between it being dogshit and it being turbo broken

[sand totem]

Did they do it twice? Hahaha

[sharp wyvern]

people would also love slam if it hit hard

[thick kelp]

thats with tiersets accounted for

[mighty bridge]

what is the buff doing for us realistically

[soft dew]

They did and that's so funny

[shy dew]

slam is pretty weak

they should weak it like 30% to be decent

[pale glade]

Did anyone else back of the napkin the math? Looks like ~2% net in ST patchwork 5 min. But I'm an idiot so no trust

[shy dew]

and overpower 15% to our ST be decent

[dire hinge]

Strengthening our single target and letting us focus on boss more instead of being Add Pad bots

[ripe oxide]

slam looks like it would hit hard though, animation goes hard

[gritty quail]

Makes it less likely that us metaslaves reroll Mage...

[night hedge]

12% more MS damage 15% more execute damage, 10% less cleave damage

[elder path]

I’m sure some would but the VFX and SFX are dogass

I think thay contributes to the harbored resentment

[thick kelp]

around 4% ish

for st

[arctic iris]

I mean, unironically yes

The right tuning and talents can make almost any ability feel good

Like, for Havoc, they designed a talent tree around fucking throw glaive and it's one of the coolest hero talent specs in the game and is somehow ten times more awesome than the one based on turning into a goddamn demon

[tawdry quail]

Is this enough or?

[shy dew]

no

[dim jay]

i wish the original introduction for hero specs made arms have slayer and thane instead of colossus

[shy dew]

not even close

[soft dew]

No

[sharp wyvern]

its a start

[fading radish]

4% wow...

[shy dew]

like will need 4 weeks to be decent

[soft dew]

It's enough to do more than tanks

[sharp wyvern]

cmon blizz 4th times a charm

[fervent cedar]

Holy fuck they did it

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/were-back-zoolander-oh-yeah-gif-22558919

[wicked aurora]

I mean honestly

This is good

[sharp wyvern]

its a start

[wicked aurora]

massive swings in balance changes aren't good

[fossil thistle]

Need more