arms

[nova marsh]

Probably gonna end up as unholy and swapping between that, outlaw and sub whenever a second dagger graces me

[glacial pebble]

am i stupid i cant find the macro for MS and HS

[tight wing]

#showtooltip
/use [known:Heroic Strike] Heroic Strike; Mortal Strike

assuming you wanted the one that replaces MS with HS when it procs

[rose ibex]

i switched to fury mid raid after not playing it since bfa and did 10k more damage than arms :/

[nova marsh]

Apparently arms does more damage then frost too

[rose ibex]

frost dk?

meh. just remember there is more tuning to come

these dudes usually have patches planned in advance

[nova marsh]

True

Frost will gets ita dues im sure

[rose ibex]

like they likely have changes prepared they just didnt have time to have it ready for patch

[jolly lily]

im pretty much sure theyre using something like chatgpt to tune specs

i will talk to chatgpt to predict next tuning

[glacial pebble]

ty

[opaque fog]

Hey guys I’m just wondering if there’s a data for arms warriors when they acquire 4p % increase

[gentle gyro]

I thought the warrior set was buns as per usual

[jolly lily]

see guys i told you its chatgpt
its buffing cleave more ahahahah😂

[gentle gyro]

Even chatGPT hates rend

[violet laurel]

Are arms sims mayhaps a bit bugged ?

[stable fiber]

might need a little more context

[violet laurel]

so i sim about 10k less on arms than fury but on a dummy or when i tried ?? boss i was doing right about the same numbers on both arms and fury

maybe i misunderstand the fury rotation, but arms seems more complicated in any case

[stable fiber]

i feel like thats a bad way to compare it

[rare kite]

lmao it's nerfing exe as well

ahahha

[stable fiber]

like a very bad way to compare it

mostly because sometimes when zoning into delves

itll start your dps meter right as you zone in

its hard explanation but relying on the dps meter is bad

especially when you first zone into a delve

[violet laurel]

what about the training dummy

[stable fiber]

that should be fine

as long as you reset your meter beforehand

you can go test it if you want, arms ST is really bad

[glacial pebble]

rend should apply by using mortal strike

[stable fiber]

it does actually

but only in execute

they should just put rend damage into deep wounds like they did in mop

so we can have 1 stronger dot

instead of 2 weaker dots

[violet laurel]

are tools like wowanalyzer decent to go by to see if im just bad ?

[dire hinge]

BigBowwl was keeping them updated, im not sure about their current state.
If they're outdated there's usually a warning before you try and use it to say "hey be cautious with the feedback you're about to see"

[stable fiber]

wowanalyzer also seems to have been updated to look better and be easier to move around

its a good tool if you want help from SOMEONE else

instead of a tool to tell you what to do

[rose ibex]

what the hell is this

[dire hinge]

slop

[rose ibex]

ahhh

[violet laurel]

at first i'll try to figure out why i underperform the fury sim by such a large margin then i'll maybe come back

[dire hinge]

if there's actual buffs that get announced by Blizz we'll usually post them in #updates-midnight

[stable fiber]

are you hitting the target dummy and comparing yourself to the sim

[rose ibex]

I could see them buffing execute and mortal strike

[violet laurel]

that and my raid logs are utter garbage this tier, but the sim is only with battle shout no other buffs

[dire hinge]

there's also #1347646810457636974. You can post your logs, with a brief description, and folks can take a look and try to help identify what you're doing incorrectly

[rose ibex]

If they want to target specifically our single target without messing with our already decent aoe that's probably what they'll hit

[lone raft]

is there a weapon swing timer addon?

[dire hinge]

no, weapon swings are part of combat, which are hidden from addons

the only exception is Ret Paladins, whose Crusader Strike spell becomes their auto-attack, so they can indirectly "track" their swing timer (they're actually tracking the cooldown of the spell, which happens to be their auto attack)

nothing for arms, unfortunately

[lone raft]

they should add that for MS cuz sometimes im getting these fat 90k MS and just that bit rage starved once the procs align

[dire hinge]

yeah, Arms needs some Rage Gen love, especially colossus

[rare kite]

needing a swingtimer is an L design. just buff our rage gen

[marsh needle]

is arms getting any changes on tuesday? im trying to find it

[rose ibex]

I see some arms warrior dish out 60k+ on single target but it feels like a struggle to get over 40k. Not sure what I'm doing wrong

[dire hinge]

nope, none planned currently

[rose ibex]

Naw

[lone raft]

i dont think ur doing anything wrong class is just cooked

[dire hinge]

also massive gear diffs atm

[rose ibex]

https://youtu.be/dHypqcwCwjI?si=9ucG7NZPaVVk4Hld

Was just watching this guy do 60k+ at about 243 ilvl

So hes got lower ilvl than me (and is definitely more skilled) but maybe im screwing something up

[lone raft]

Idk for colossus I feel like it needs to be more stacks per MS like 2 or just make the stacks be from 10 to 5

[marsh needle]

🙁

[dire hinge]

can always post in #1347646810457636974 😉

[rose ibex]

If only I had logs

[lone raft]

are you aligning all ur procs for MS

[rose ibex]

We're doing this expansion pretty lean

None of us ever thought to log anything

[marsh needle]

is there a single fight in the entire raid that's worth playing arms? besides the for the love of the game

[dire hinge]

Vanguards, yeah. Play Colossus.

it's a 3 target cleave fight, which arms owns at

[marsh needle]

that sounds super fun, i killed it as mt thane this week

[dire hinge]

Cleave fight

[marsh needle]

I keep going AFK and dying during my Nightmare Preys not thinking anything of it. But apparently you lose progress EVERY TIME YOU DIE. I was like why tf is this taking so long

[marsh needle]

Oh hell yeah

[dire hinge]

if you're go afk for Nightmare Prey, be sure you talent into Second Wind so you don't die when you fail to kill something every few minutes

also, are you spam-disarming traps for the Prey or just doing WQs and stuff

[marsh needle]

spam disarming traps

[finite wasp]

thats the only fight arms is good at

every other boss is either terrible or mid

[slow saddle]

Yup

U beat bad players🤣

Like always

[glacial pebble]

sweet

i wish they would nerf cleave

more power into MS and Slam

[stable fiber]

i tried my hardest to beat them

but its not winnable

you cannot beat the power of the mm hunters

[slow saddle]

Y like 15% cleave nerf 15% aura buff

Well ideally buff ms and exe not slammer

[marsh needle]

Do you guys like the new heroic strike?

i used to play a lot of Arms but have pretty much only been playing Fury so idek how to feel about it

[slow saddle]

Yes in theory esp

[dire copper]

don't do anything except disarm traps in preys. Literally just free completions

[slow saddle]

And 2nd saves our lives from debuff?

2nd wind

[rose ibex]

it's another big hit. I like it

[stable fiber]

Heroic strike is good

Do wish it worked a bit differently but it's good

[rose ibex]

Its certainly more interesting than some other apex talents that are just passive effects (even though i just macro it with overpower)

I wonder if they nerfed our single target because they thought it would be proccing more

[summer niche]

why do we have to suffer for so long?

[slow saddle]

Should cosy 0 rage ofc

[gray stone]

Because you're not switching to fury

[slow saddle]

I did. Cba man cba

[summer niche]

I did but I want to play arms

[gray stone]

Sorry for your loss.

[summer niche]

https://klipy.com/gifs/stan-twitter-leobylaw-2

[stable fiber]

You can get the arms dopamine hit on paladins

[slow saddle]

Ngl

Not with our tanks

🤣

Also tried in pug, 3 targied almost never melee

[slender sonnet]

I’m enjoying arms

[summer niche]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anakin-liar

[slender sonnet]

I am

My arms warr and my rdruid

Having the time of my life

[summer niche]

https://klipy.com/gifs/star-wars-anakin-skywalker-17

[slender sonnet]

[fresh spire]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

[hoary palm]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

[brittle rock]

wait, we dont use thunderassclap anymore in M+? How to we spread rend then?

[dim basalt]

Read Rends tooltip

[slow saddle]

By pressin REND

once

😄

[brittle rock]

oh wtf

but i like thunderassclap 🙁

[brittle rock]

oh, that looks like a significant nerft, both ST and MT

is it?

[sand totem]

Yes

[vast helm]

we cant track warrior's Deep Wounds anymore?

[brittle rock]

my condolences to my fellow raiders then🫡

[slow saddle]

then u sub optmised

and take clap

[slow saddle]

my main issue is, it makes Execute SD LIMP in aoe

which is a major concern for spec design

[brittle rock]

sd limp?

ah, sudden death

didnt understand the meaning of limp tho 😄

falls down in priority list?

[brittle rock]

well the balancing guy at blizzard checked their "internal resources" (e.g. checked the wowlogs page), saw arms on the bottom and though hey, im gonna nerf it even more

[daring heron]

nah arms is fine if you just look at warcraftlogs raid stats lmao

thank the paladins boss

[thick kelp]

nah fury is fine if you just look at warcraftlogs raid stats lmao

thank the ovinax and ansurek boss

[daring heron]

🙂

[dim basalt]

Drakes are the new Ovinax

[maiden moat]

hey guys, which pot do we use ?
Guide say Recklessness but no one was using that

[wary steppe]

One of the many things that just exist for clutter

[fresh spire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031959126126899260/1103536679211503767/nice.gif

[fresh spire]

[untold pewter]

Man I can't...

Walked into raid yesterday and I couldn't do any f damage

I'll succumb to the fury, it is what it is

With no buffs announced for next week this is looking bleak as hell

[opaque oar]

Guys that's maybe the dumbest question you'll read today, I don't know, but why the fck some void silence puddle spawn under my feet when I stand still for too long ? It happens on every boss fight, I really don't get it, did I miss something ?

[dusky fern]

You're using the meme potion

[opaque oar]

omfg

thanks ffs I checked everyfckin items, even mog, but not this one

Yeah I used them for the nemesis HoF since it was so cheap xd Thanks brother

[modern cove]

Any chance of another buff next week?

[sharp wyvern]

if they remove the council fight maybe

[modern cove]

I think maybe blizz dislike arms

[shy dew]

is more easier they remove arms and announce another tank spec

[serene horizon]

Can someone educate me on why heroic strike is far up the list in execute phase?

because mortal strike isn't pressed at all unless with 2 executioners precisions?

[shy dew]

y, basically, mortal strike is a kinda weak, heroic strike does more damage and execute precision buff mortal strike to be worth

[serene horizon]

aight thank you

[fresh spire]

ms is pressed when you have tier and CS is up regardless of EP

though its a small damage gain

[magic canopy]

Heroic strike increases MS dam and armor pen. You stack it with the other MS buffs do big dam

[serene horizon]

Shit its the ox, love your videos dude. Thanks for the answer

[slender sonnet]

chat im on lorrgs

I've officially peaked in my wow career

gg

I can quit now

[serene horizon]

Is there a way to give myself a sound queue when I enter execute phase? Like a voice that shouts execute or somethin like that?

[lone yarrow]

brother just look at your abilities and see if the execute button can be pressed

[serene horizon]

Can't see that well

sorry

[lone yarrow]

you can try making the icon a tad bit bigger with cooldown manager

as for the addon maybe some weakaura but it'd probably be funky since it depends on the health of your target

[dull cosmos]

Can you actually add sounds to abilities that become available through the default UI

[jovial hare]

cooldown manager custom sounds lets you add ur sharedmedia stuff to the cooldown manager

best you can do atm afaik

[pliant sparrow]

Execute phase ?

[rough phoenix]

Do you guys ever macro sweeping strikes onto something so you don't have to keep remembering to hit the button?

[misty bridge]

no, just talent into Broad Strokes

[uncut yacht]

anyone miss legion execute animation?

i dont like condemn animation

[tough tangle]

Condemn animation is bis

Feels more impactful imo

[uncut yacht]

i dunno, it just feels so off to me. maybe its cause i do irl HEMA?

i hate when characters turn their back on enemies

its so exaggerated to the point of being looney tunes

cause like, I like swords but swords have to slice

[rose ibex]

Your rotation vids are very helpful. Cheers!

[uncut yacht]

condemn is like an overhead bonk

demolish makes sense with the last hit its a big bonk with a shockwave

[rose ibex]

I miss condemn

Fun button

[uncut yacht]

but regular execute? i dunno man

[magic canopy]

Tyty

[rose ibex]

Regular execute exists to reduce bladestorm cd and buff mortal strike 🫠

It does slam damage

[uncut yacht]

the sound it has is awesome

[rose ibex]

Arms warrior sound design is very satisfying

[uncut yacht]

I remember in bfa if you got dreadnaught your overpower instead of being a sword strike was a shoulder check from charge

it was so fucking funny

[nova marsh]

I mean honestly

Like 90% of wows melee animations probably bother you like they do me

[uncut yacht]

the kinda do lmao. so many races have autos that are just plain chops instead of a proper slice

[nova marsh]

Yeah I dint mind it because I don't play wow for the animation work

[uncut yacht]

same, most of the time I dont see it at all

[nova marsh]

But you have things like the combo wake of ashes or frostbane that look so goofy

[uncut yacht]

but like if you squint hard enough you are just like 'brother'

[uncut yacht]

ah yea, the no leverage, no control, no defense balerina

hahahaha

[nova marsh]

I mean tbh

Ive yet to find an mmo that dosent have goofy as fuck animations with weapons

Eso was....partway there i guess and its not as bad as wow and 14 are qith it

[uncut yacht]

Conan wasnt super bad afair

[nova marsh]

Didnt play it

[uncut yacht]

its old af

and dead

so w/e

[nova marsh]

Im not sure if the vanilla animations were better or worse

[uncut yacht]

orc 2 hander skill was actually decent

feet on ground, extended arms, no twirls nothing

not even a jump

that was probably the best

[halcyon valve]

The only thing thats been consistently great about arms

[nova marsh]

Mortal strike is like

My favorite SFX in the game

Like unironically

I still miss old execute

[umbral badger]

CS sound is also good

[nova marsh]

Literally the only sfx that's weak to me

is slam and ww

[umbral badger]

who is the PVP guy when it comes to arms warriors nowadays ?

any names

[olive nest]

Mud

[umbral badger]

while i am reading he is the arms warrior guy , even he is not playing arms warrior 🤣

[olive nest]

Yeah it’s just down so bad right now

[umbral badger]

i mean i was like "at least pvp balances is not the same as in pve, surely they at least addressed arms in pvp"

nope

the one mortal you get after a charge and before enemy runs away is not enough

[pulsar berry]

It’s probably relatively worse in PvP than pve lmao

[shell arch]

hey guys, playing slayer, do u use bladestorm right away?
or do you do 3 cleaves first?

[tight wing]

I use blade storm first so it 100% gets the CS buff for its entire duration

[sharp wyvern]

you also want to spread the BS stacks that make the target take 10% more dmg

[tight wing]

I thought it was 5%

[sharp wyvern]

is it just 5 now ?

[lone raft]

Pretty sure with BS u do more dmg to enemies affected by it by like 5%-10% more dmg, if u pop avatar you can BS and have another window 45 sec in if u get enough sudden death procs

to smash and then BS again

[tight wing]

The one reap also applies is

[viscid oar]

So, do we have any idea if Arms will be buffed?

[candid pecan]

middle of the pack

dmg done to bosses

soooo. prolly not

goddamn paladin boss

we're TOO GOOD

on paladin boss

[viscid oar]

There goes my dream of a one weapon class

I miss Legion where I didn’t have to worry about weapons

[sacred zodiac]

more than fury buff fury

[lone raft]

stat prio is haste/crit right so I can use my prot set to play arms minus swapping trinkets ofc

[slow saddle]

Go check on a per boss

Arms is pretty bad😅

[stray vessel]

dos thou get jiggy with it

[steady isle]

just get another 2h or a shield if you want to be invited next week, bois

[slender sonnet]

2nd boss hc

padders smh

[steady isle]

godzila or nexus king ?

[slender sonnet]

godzilla

[rose ibex]

i feel like with 252 ilvl and pure single target builds I can get about ~35k on the dummy

if procs are good i can get it up to 40k

procs bad down to 32k

fury is consistently 40k+

[slender sonnet]

Could only do 55k on nexus king

[minor gust]

[slender sonnet]

big

pure st on dragons and ignore adds or

colossus and ignore bosses

[minor gust]

You ain't gonna get a good demolish off on those adds

[slender sonnet]

yeah I thought so

ST time

maybe a bladestorm lines up if I'm lucky

[minor gust]

2T

The bosses come together at the end

[slender sonnet]

can you send me a 2t build

I dont think I have one

[minor gust]

So pick up broad and powerful

Drop x2 BB for broad strokes and stronger SS

[slender sonnet]

legend

[minor gust]

Save BS for adds and take TC and TC range for better rend spread

[thick kelp]

Certainly

I got fucking NUKED by circles

dbts sr

everything on

but no

[minor gust]

Yeah circles fucking hurt

[thick kelp]

circles and im dead

shoulda dstanced

mybad

[sonic marsh]

for chimaerus slayer or colossus ?

[minor gust]

I was so used to being fury last tier I saw 2 other ppl on me with circles but I didn't press anything and died

[thick kelp]

colossus

[thick kelp]

yeaah

[sonic marsh]

nice thanks

[slender sonnet]

letzgo

[minor gust]

Go slap some dragons

[slender sonnet]

Im gonna wait till weds to blow my cata charge

[minor gust]

My rank 6 dragons kill was only a purple parse

[slender sonnet]

cause I got a hero track head

[minor gust]

[slender sonnet]

oof

my rank 77 nexus king was blue

sadge

If I beat either of the fury's here

then they're bad

[minor gust]

Surprised you did so little. I barely got to hit the adds and still did 67k

[slender sonnet]

tbf one of our furys is somehow 258

[thick kelp]

ups

[minor gust]

Get beamed

[thick kelp]

Forgot to pop inky black

was blinding experience

[minor gust]

I'm still so annoyed my PC crashed on first boss. I did very well on every boss last night but then my first boss is a fucking 1 lmao

Good shit

[slender sonnet]

Did you have bs for every adds on dragons

[minor gust]

Nah you have it for every other

[slender sonnet]

okay

my goat

[quaint otter]

1

top

1

[minor gust]

[thick kelp]

Surely the play for cosmos

[stray vessel]

so col just betterthen slayer now?

[dire hinge]

For certain fights

[languid torrent]

Paladins it feels great

[minor gust]

we prog cosmos tonight im probably gonna start out with that and look at dropping collat depending how much my guild steals my pad

[thick kelp]

Certain Fight

[minor gust]

paladins moment

[thick kelp]

God I hate when my ranged baits the charge into the middle of the room

[minor gust]

we had that happen a few times too

[pulsar berry]

Was your ranged generally putting the charge close to the other bosses or were they doing what mine were and bringing it literally to max range

[slender sonnet]

this dragons sure is hectic

[thick kelp]

max range center of the fucking room

I am NOT charging to break the shield

[pulsar berry]

Yeah I lost a ton of dps on that fight to having to do that

Or we outright wouldn’t break shield lol

It would have been very nice to just toss a wrecking throw there but no such luck

[slender sonnet]

man I get so much lag when I use elvui

[minor gust]

Man CS uptime with 4pc in aoe is dirty

wish I had it for paladins

[slender sonnet]

1p enjoyers

catsmile

[minor gust]

actually so close to 100% uptime

[slender sonnet]

would it be cringe to just send 2p now with cata

[minor gust]

very

[slender sonnet]

saj

[minor gust]

only send cata till you got enough to make 4pc

[slender sonnet]

ahh

[minor gust]

because whats gonna happen is your gonna send cata and tier will drop in ur vault of the piece you cata

or the only plate tier that drops in raid is ur cata piece

[slender sonnet]

ew

[slender sonnet]

yeah real

I'l get the chest from dragons

and then gloves or smt in vaulyt

and cata my head for 4p on weds

[thick kelp]

Gloves tier??

[candid pecan]

9 chances for tier in vault, surely

https://giphy.com/gifs/skeleton-meme-banging-shield-cat-xK4tCVQvj1TbBOdG3Q

[thick kelp]

Gloves from Seat buddy

[slender sonnet]

Oh I think I got them

and disenchanted them

wow the item restoration page is insanely slow

y ok

[daring heron]

pretty neat

free damage

[slender sonnet]

neato

[daring heron]

this was on crown hc

[worldly rivet]

I thought Odyns fury was a ton of damage. Was it changed?

[daring heron]

nah

i dont have the set either

[thick kelp]

Streamer loot

[daring heron]

bruh

i'm 256

or was

[slender sonnet]

Im streaming

can I get streamer loot

[thick kelp]

0pc

[thick kelp]

Yeah okay buddy

[daring heron]

how so low

have you not sent champions

[thick kelp]

something something no loot

[daring heron]

gg

[thick kelp]

Miss splits ngl

too used to getting loot

gg

[slender sonnet]

gg

[stray vessel]

stat question my crit is 24%/ haste22%/ mastery13%/ with gems what should i get

[fresh spire]

welcome to being casual again

[slender sonnet]

Son of a

[minor gust]

same ilvl

[slender sonnet]

Im bad tho

[minor gust]

champ traick windrunner trinket eluding me all week

[slender sonnet]

I honestly feel like Im trolling by playing arms a lil

but I prefer it so much to fury in terms of playstyle

[minor gust]

if your out performing guildies then it aint trolling

they cant complain if your beating ppl on the worst spec right now!

[slender sonnet]

yeah real

if I appear on the damage meter

I've done an insane job imo

apart from on paladins or first boss

[minor gust]

just have fury set ready for when the inevitable comes

[hushed pine]

thought the stats were perfect then I saw 1% vers

https://tenor.com/view/rage-raging-table-hit-table-kid-gif-16609745016061766487

[minor gust]

gotta throw the vers stat a bone

[worldly rivet]

Cleave nerfed by 25%.
Slam buffed by 10%.

[slender sonnet]

1% wipe

lol deadge

got breathed on

is tehre any negative to using beserker rage to avoid the fear

[sacred hatch]

no

[slender sonnet]

real

[slender sonnet]

dope thx

we're not going paladins

sadge

[sacred hatch]

is there an easy way to learn how to play with cooldown manager or do I have to just get used to looking at it instead of looking at abilities on my spellbar?

[slender sonnet]

@minor gust do you reckon windrunner trink over puzzlebox

[halcyon valve]

double dragons can suck my toes

the taunting of having two bosses but them being too far apart to cleave

[minor gust]

I am not a raid puzzlebox fan

double passive it up

[slender sonnet]

seems legit

[sudden topaz]

Why's that

[thick kelp]

I think collat

is worth it for p2

if u play slayer

[minor gust]

Nice thanks for the heads up

[thick kelp]

its kinda hard to get proper cleave value in p1 but 3stack collat is high prio in ST, which is easy to get

[minor gust]

Big cd trinket that does line with our cds and we dont really burst anything as slayer in raid. Could prob use if your trying to pad with colo

[thick kelp]

u can pop SS after pull too

[minor gust]

its more fitting for M+

[thick kelp]

to start cleaving asap

[slender sonnet]

boss 1

[latent moss]

just pad as colo

its that simple

[minor gust]

🐐

[minor gust]

I still gotta rewire my brain for that. working on it

[slender sonnet]

Im gonna do the unthinkable on dreamrift

[icy mulch]

What's that, go fury?

[halcyon valve]

just got to heroic vanguard

time to enjoy the one boss this spec is good at

[slender sonnet]

yeah

[sand totem]

Yo, if we sweep a mortal strike, does our 4set extend colossus smash to the secondary target?

[icy mulch]

[slender sonnet]

let's go

[unique steppe]

where we goin? to the bottom of the meters?

[slender sonnet]

yap

[unique steppe]

🙁

[lament bluff]

Hello do i Cleave with or without proc on 2 target or Ms is better ?

[dire hinge]

In two target you do your single target rotation with Sweeping Strikes up, so Mortal Strike is better.

[lament bluff]

Ok 🙏

[marsh needle]

Heroic Strike isn't listed in our AOE priority at all. Do we just assume it's in last place with Slam?

[gritty karma]

so cleave will consume it

cuz slam = heroic strike

[marsh needle]

oh cool thanks

[umbral badger]

yea 1% wipes are happening a lot in first week when i watched streams 😄

[umbral badger]

and it does 50% increeased dmg if you use it through cleave

[flint cedar]

But the Single Target guide also lists Cleave in the rotation. Which is confusing.

[dire hinge]

Right, but Mortal Strike is higher in the list

[lone raft]

well cuz u get the free slam/hs baked in

[vapid spire]

Cleave so strong rn it outdps ST skills thats why

[lone raft]

it’s 2 abilities in one

arms is all ass backwards tbh

they need to make HS a generator and call it a fkn day

and get rid of slam

[flint cedar]

I got that brother. but the "Best Single Target" Raid Multi does not have Cleave on the list

[dire hinge]

That’s only for AoE (fervor of battle) but yes cleave is legit better than pressing Execute unless it’s free in some circumstances.

We’re in a great place and don’t need any balancing adjustments that’s for certain 🙃

[lone raft]

what r u guys using to track all these procs, the built in cd manager has the number so tiny

[dire hinge]

Tbh I just use action bars. The CDM is ass.

The only way to track Buffs/Debuffs is to use the CDM, but I reskin those with ArcUI

[lone raft]

and getting a fat MS is cool but it is a pain in the ass to get everything lined up

I hit 90k MS yesterday on dummies

[flint cedar]

They need to give us a sawed off shotgun side arm that goes off every execute at this point.

[lone raft]

but the time to get there man is rough

[dire hinge]

They removed the Reap with Sudden Death so idk if they’d support that

[slender sonnet]

AA with dodgy ass first pull

[sand totem]

Is this the case even with executioners precision?

[slender sonnet]

I love this spec in dungeons tbh

[lone raft]

ur using wowhead aoe colossus mythic build?

nd do u swap to the ST slayer build for bosses?

[slender sonnet]

Yeah wowhead colossus build

not changing for bosses no point

This was last boss

[lone raft]

aoe what r u pumping at

[slender sonnet]

that was the pull before vexamus

[dire hinge]

You still follow the normal execute priority if you’re playing slayer

[slender sonnet]

even with some uppies tonight

This hurts bro

[sand totem]

Oh word okay. Thanks m8

[naive steeple]

hey guys how well is Arms performing compared to Fury and the other meta classes?

[devout pewter]

oh boy oh boy, who's gonna tell him

[devout pewter]

Really sucks for me currently: I want to play arms, but arms is bad. So I play fury. But I don't like fury so I'm bad at it. And I'm a bad tank.

God damn hellish cycle 😄

[minor gust]

Weak just play arms anyways

[olive nest]

Find guild that lets you play what you want

[devout pewter]

am not restricted, other than you'd be with randoms anyways.
yeah i just play arms anyways.. for like half the dungeon most times haha

[rose ibex]

i swapped to fury mid raid.... the damage is better

but man i feel drained now haha

[devout pewter]

arms is also very reliant on having a good tank pulling a lot. and that's just not the case sometimes currently. which is the main reason I switch. Also stuff dies too fast now as well

[rose ibex]

soon when M+ is out and I can get some upgrades I'll be able to afford to deal less damage in raid next time :)

[rose ibex]

yeah if cds don't line up or things don't bunch up well enough it sucks

do i use bladestorm now? or in 10s when adds pop up?

[devout pewter]

yeah and if you then wait too long it's dead before you do anything aswell 😄

[rose ibex]

that too

[naive steeple]

Any expectation of improvement or class change?

[devout pewter]

maybe in 14.0

That's being very hopeful tho

[hushed pine]

Yeah it's called playing a Cata private server

[tight wing]

I'd go legion personally

[naive steeple]

Damn, I can't remember a single expansion in recent years where Arms was ahead of Fury.

[hushed pine]

Or that too, yeah

Legion good

[north forge]

There's still 2 days before tuning goes live. There's time for warrior notes yet

[waxen flicker]

i played dreamrift normal earlier tonight and started out as fury, my rampage button on the keyboard got stuck so i changed to arms

i LOVE ARMS

[tight wing]

thats the problem

arms is so so so so fun

[candid pecan]

yeah exactly new post on wowhead tomorrow "additional tuning, arms war st buffed"

[tight wing]

and so so so so so so so so so bad

[minor gust]

4pc required to beat your 240 mage xD

[waxen flicker]

i went from 19th dps as fury to 11th as arms but i think thats because of the fact half of my keyboard wasnt working

[tight wing]

thats crazy

[unique steppe]

"we'd rather you just played ret"

[tight wing]

screw ret

[devout pewter]

just cause ret is holy, dont mean you can screw it

[waxen flicker]

ret is for losers

[naive steeple]

Arms War is so gigachad idk why blizzard hate

[tight wing]

no, holy is holy, ret is just full of holes

[devout pewter]

*holey

[waxen flicker]

lowkey id like it if demolish was baked into arms as a baseline ability

i love that spell

[tight wing]

I despise it

unless you could move with it

[naive steeple]

how you simulate? 1target or more? how much time of fight ?

[tight wing]

that'd make it fine

[hushed pine]

Because we were good for two expansions straight and we've been paying for it since

[tight wing]

which ones? Classic and TBC?

[hushed pine]

Cata > MoP

[waxen flicker]

arms in classic

[hushed pine]

Arms in Classic is trolling

[tight wing]

ohhh yeah that was 2H fury huh

[waxen flicker]

yeah in classic theres fury, 2h fury and fury tank

[slender sonnet]

jeez

accidentally did dungeon as single target build

[waxen flicker]

what ilvl are you?

[slender sonnet]

257

[naive steeple]

veteran weapon and 0pc tier set 😮 and MM are shit for single right now

[waxen flicker]

thanks

[hushed pine]

holy

Prot Warrior named Felwinter

What a gigachad

[tight wing]

and still better than arms WITH a 276 weapon and 4 set

[naive steeple]

That scared me a little

[slender sonnet]

real

I'm gonna be so sad if I have to choose between 4p and HC heart of ancient hunger on weds

[spring vale]

4p, voidforge the heart on myth track later ez

[slender sonnet]

ya

or just claim prio on it when it drops on myth like a boss

[spring vale]

💅

[slender sonnet]

I claimed prio on gaze of the alnseer

then changed my mind and decided I didn't want it

[rose ibex]

I wonder if its just better to just full send and don't even think about adds

[umbral badger]

nah bro blizzard suck

you'd think pve has issues when it comes to balancing a spec

cuz there is all those aoe and ST talents

and shit

but in pvp ?

like even with my full cleave build cleaving 3 players the entire arena i did 14 m as the second on dps

and enemy dk did 28 million

uh dk

[rose ibex]

They are just overtuned

It be what it be for now

[umbral badger]

sure but since pvp is much more focused on ST than cleave

[rose ibex]

I get frustrated too sometimes but for real we just gotta be patient

[umbral badger]

i dont' know i feel like the neglect is very clear

like especially in arena when warriors are doing half the single target of everything else

cuz it's arena

it's a straight up ST buff

[rose ibex]

Ive been topping dungeons unless there is a mage or demo lock but uh dks beat me on bosses every time

[umbral badger]

not like pve where if you overbuff ST you have a classs with op aoe and ST

arnea is like straight up in that sense

[rose ibex]

Yeah ive been avoiding pvp strangely. Usually im super into it

[umbral badger]

i swear i am sure they just CBA allocating enough rss to balance

[rose ibex]

I just feel a lot of pressure to get as geared as possible to keep up

[umbral badger]

especially to balance arms

[rose ibex]

Just don't think

[umbral badger]

dunno just frustrating how clear is the neglect when even teh smaller population spec pays them more money than they ever need for a proper balance team lol

[nova marsh]

I mean when is pvp ever balanced

[rose ibex]

Never

There are always top dogs and bottom dogs

[umbral badger]

i don't want them to balance pvp 100% i want them to just make it so that you at least have a chance

[rose ibex]

Remember these guys have patches planned usually weeks in advance but they can't always do everything they want to do

M+ is out tuesday which is going to change things even more I bet

[umbral badger]

i mean now i totally believe that they are like any big company just cutting expenses in some areas and especially when a class or spec is underplayed

put it lower prio and move on

[nova marsh]

True arms is always underplayed

[rose ibex]

They are big but designers are also split into a lot of different departments

[odd ledge]

devourer was the same as arms shit st but good in aoe and they got buffed st haha

no love for arms

dead spec

[rose ibex]

Yeah. Give it a month

Some specs are way overperforming too and need to get snipped

[umbral badger]

i bet you even in a month we will still be having giga issues

but it is what it is just fk pvp

[odd ledge]

honestly usually idc bout my st, but if i am close to tanks i care

[umbral badger]

champ spear is fun in pvp other than that it's annoying

at this point i am more tilted about pvp balance than pve lol

[rose ibex]

Some tanks are also just busted

[umbral badger]

i was wondering why everyone is putting arms on bottom in pvp too

[rose ibex]

Guardian still outputs insane damage for a tank

[rose ibex]

If arms gets a st boost they'll shoot up i think

Both in pve and pvp

[umbral badger]

i mean pvp balancei s very different anyway

for example execute in pvp actually does dmg

i wouldn't say as good as other classes but it does same dmg as mortal

[rose ibex]

Yeah I have noticed that

Its funny because this season has me wired to not care too much about executes

[odd ledge]

arms is too squishy in pvp

i got killed in a stun with all defensives up + def stance

and i have full pvp gear

[rose ibex]

I remember when cloth classes were squishy

Now they are the tankiest things in the field

But its been like that for several expansions

[umbral badger]

i wouldn't say that's true though, unless you are slayer.

i feel giga tanky

at least against melees cuz of the improved D stance

but slayer is extra squishy

slayer arms

basically do make colossus giga tankier and save you from the stun+smokebomb combo

alongside improved D stance

[torpid pier]

Might be a dumb question, but I can't seem to find Ignore Pain in my spellbook to place on my bars. Did we lose it and get it at a certain level? At level 80 btw

[tight wing]

check your talent tree

I THINK It's a choice node but I could be remembering wrong

[torpid pier]

Ahh it is, sorry about that.

[tight wing]

nws

it was moved and put kinda to the side, so I understand the confusion

[finite nacelle]

Is arms good now pve

[tight wing]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1107450429945688124/1402024196015390763/Doom_Gif_2.0.gif

[tight wing]

not bad for AoE, Still sucks at ST

[untold trench]

Tops the meters in m+, quite a letdown on bosses. Yet that goes for warrior in general atm

[tight wing]

idk I heard fury's not bad for ST but I'd have to check again I think

[chilly isle]

All top 100 logs on Lightblinded Vanguard

Is mm hunter

The one fight Arms is good at, where its not that much better than fury. And MM is just like a whole league above everyone else.

[obsidian otter]

if you know how MM works though the The new aspect of hydra talent making them pretty much do 80% extra damage to 1 additinal target for 80% of aim shot and rapid fire arcane shot so they pretty much are like arms sweeping but range and Light amo makes it go to 2 additnal targets so its a better sweeping then arms

so it makes sense why they are ahead of arms when their single target is higher and they can cleave it to more targets then we sweeping strikes to

[chilly isle]

Indeed

[obsidian otter]

The top MM hunter hitting for 360k aim shots... and thats hitting the other two for 312k each.. not to mention the rapid fire also does 80% of normal damage for the other two targets like we dont stand a chance vs the aim shot alone lol

our strongest hitting ability doing 163k x 2 targets 🙁

cleave only reason we even in the fight lol

[vapid pivot]

Guys Im sorry...i went fury :/

[minor gust]

coward

[vapid pivot]

Sry, first boss of normal raid was an easy 62k and I didnt even know what I was doing

[spice field]

what do you think about arms current situation ?

[minor gust]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1481991857369255996/GIF_20260313_122512_444.gif

[spice field]

colossus smash new animation and sfx is so freaking bad

keeping it simple and making aoe is cool

but the feeling worse bro

[worldly rivet]

wet noodle AOE

[hollow eagle]

why did all these content creators make it sound like arms was terrible

[minor gust]

[flint cedar]

Last boss - I'm doing my part!

[rare kite]

blacked out all the names on a public log smh my head

[flint cedar]

look it up if it means that much to you then?

[rare kite]

just finding it funny

fr tho good to see some people representing arms

[minor gust]

Oh man cosmos arms is an experience

[dire hinge]

it was something

[pulsar frost]

Sounds not the greatest time

[nova marsh]

Cosmos?

[rare kite]

alleria

[nova marsh]

Ahhh

...ohhhh

Oh no

[gentle gyro]

How are we feeling today? Depression still kicking in?

[stoic siren]

I used arms in m0 and averaged about 75k ish

Not too bad imo

[edgy mason]

Still crying everytime i press Mortal strike

[stoic siren]

The st was trash but ape was really good

[halcyon valve]

Ape 🐒

[rose ibex]

i feel strong in dungeon. Raid is tough but after raiding the last few bosses as fury I am only more determined to make this work

next week I will acquire m+ gear, and I will be stronger for raid. The damage will be good enough and I will beat the tanks

nothing can stop me

[austere solar]

We feel in a fury not being able to play arms.

[gusty oxide]

I'm not asking to be top of the chart, but somewhere else than behind dead last sharing the seat with assassination far behind everyone else.

[odd ledge]

just wait till the tanks gear up

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-aware-twitch-forsen-emote-gif-25354609

[rose ibex]

Ill break their arms

More tuning week after next. Believe

[gusty oxide]

Won't be any tuning until the race ends i reckon

[rose ibex]

Actually yeah

That

We might recieve a little tuning but nothing serious really is going to happen until race ends

Let's hope for a quick race then

[simple lintel]

First pink parse ever for me

[atomic mountain]

might be caus noone takes arms in raid and the competition is lower

but giga gz!!!!

[simple lintel]

Exactly! Ranked 11 in the world on that fight, out of 11

[rose ibex]

Damn dude. Badass

Whats your ilvl?

Your damage is really good

[simple lintel]

Thanks, 252

[rose ibex]

Damn. I need to get better

Do you save bs for adds?

[robust magnet]

Hm ? Gg mate

[gentle gyro]

Idk, I guess I will see at 250 ilvl, currently it's pretty rough

[simple lintel]

Not really, I save BS for CS. Felt like every other BS lined up kinda nicely with adds.

I guess I occasionally saved BS in p1 if the main target is about to go down.

[stray vessel]

question about my stats im 252 ilvl my crit is 25%/haste is 22%/and mastery is 13% is ok? ik it needs to be higher but atm is that ok?

[halcyon valve]

[stray vessel]

just asking

[shy oyster]

cant really be sure yeah - even any answer you get about stats will be iffy at best as it will often be different for every player

best you'll get is simming

you can follow the usual guidance aka crit/haste, but full accuracy is best done on sims and logs

[stray vessel]

tyty

[shy oyster]

in other news: continue the good fight fellow arms warriors !!!

[thorn stream]

[robust cypress]

how much of a gain is 0-2pc and 0-4pc?

[tropic crest]

difficulty?

[thick kelp]

like 3% and 9%

[robust cypress]

ty

[thorn stream]

i did read something around 11% for 4pc, or am i tripping ?

[simple lintel]

Normal

[crisp mesa]

Hey, any smartie here knows how much these buffs are gonna increase our damage? Thanks.

[thorn stream]

Which buffs ?

[crisp mesa]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/class-tuning-incoming-25-march-611994

Wat

Im regarded

[vapid pine]

Where you seeing warrior buffs lmao

[crisp mesa]

Lmao

[thorn stream]

[crisp mesa]

Whens the 12.0.5 coming out...

[thorn stream]

i hope never

[crisp mesa]

Lol

[thorn stream]

slayer will be dead then

[crisp mesa]

Finally when arms feels fun it hits like dogshit

[thorn stream]

probably in 2 months

[thick kelp]

give it like 3 months

[fresh spire]

Patch cycles seem to follow 8 week rotation. Depends if prepatch/pre raid counted tp that

[tropic crest]

The talent Battlefield Commander increases 3% Attack power only for us (the warrior caster) or for every buffed players?

[fresh spire]

Us

[tropic crest]

ok ty mate

[dusty depot]

I heard blizzard loves arms

[rancid robin]

Hey do u know why we are playing Dreadnaught even on full ST talent raid ?
Does it proc on ur initial target ?

[dim basalt]

to all enemies in a 10yd line

[rancid robin]

So it's a yes, feels bad to have such bad ST talent that we have to play this x)

[dim basalt]

Its not bad at all?

[rancid robin]

Yeah i guess i underestimate it ^^

But it's supposed to be a GOOD MT talent

Wtv thanks for the answer ❤️

[dim basalt]

Well its also good in MT

[rancid robin]

yeah ofc ^^

Btw can we hope for more buffs early in the season ?

I feel like in AOE we are actually pretty damn good. But our bossing is sooo bad

[dim basalt]

Nothing coming on next reset, I see it as unlikely there will be much next week

[rancid robin]

We hope so !

Don't want to be forced into fury like TWW S3 lol

[dim basalt]

Most bosses are straight up better for Fury by design

Arms has to be really overtuned for that to change

[brave silo]

In 2T with cleave and collat damage talented, where does it sit in prio. above slam?

[rancid robin]

when u have 3 charges to buff it

[summer niche]

https://klipy.com/gifs/stan-twitter-leobylaw-2

[rancid robin]

sry don't remember the name

[median fox]

Can wowanalyzer be trusted? I feel like is not taking into acount some things like HS and rend and idk what to think

[halcyon valve]

When was it last updated for arms

[summer niche]

https://klipy.com/gifs/stan-twitter-leobylaw-2

[median fox]

Idk 🤣

Also maybe im messing up my rotation prio on execute phases, what i usually do is execute twice to stack the dmg buff to mortal and cast mortal with 2 stacks and oveepower as a filler

[dim basalt]

bowl is probably prioritizing Fury over Arms for wowa

[median fox]

Is that correct?

Talking about slayer ST here

[summer niche]

When we gud?

https://klipy.com/gifs/stan-twitter-leobylaw-2

[thick kelp]

Follow wowhead

[gentle gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[median fox]

I do, but theres stuff that i dont get the logic it has behind it.

Like

Why HS over MS with executioner stacks on execute phase but below outside of it

[thick kelp]

because HS makes your MS do more dam

due to arm pen

and we dont want to munch procs

[median fox]

Yeah but wouldnt that apply outside of execute phase too?

[thick kelp]

Outside of execute we are more in a hurry to get MS on CD

so you would rather put that on CD first and then HS

[fresh spire]

If I remember rightly swapping hs and ms on list on execute was a 0 change for dps. Equals out the same. You still get the same average procs inside of the Cs window for 4/4 and ms buffs to roll.

[minor gust]

Man oh man I did not like playing arms on Alleria

[median fox]

Ill have to check if i can adjust

Ty guys

[thick kelp]

Might go full ST

Hold BS for p2 adds

Or grab broad strokes

Only

[kindred breach]

padding tier

[minor gust]

P1 was so random and messy. Just get super lucky with reap the storm procs when there's a few blobs. P2 adds are just dead insta too. Unsure if any dmg while they are at 1hp waiting to die counts on logs. If they don't I'm def just going full ST and going payphone mode.

Also playing fury all last tier I forgot what it was like to have to actually use my defensives properly

Alleria hurts

[kindred breach]

perma defensive stance

can't do less damage if we do no damage anyways

[minor gust]

Just more like I just had to actually play the game and be proactive with defensives stance mastery + SR my best friends

Instead of hurr durr fury just live through anything by existing

[kindred breach]

yeah a lot of people underestimate warpaint too tbh

[minor gust]

Me trying to eek out as much dmg as I can with cleave in P1 repositioning and dodging circles. Meanwhile fury payphone press Ja clappa 360 big aoe

[thick kelp]

Holding SD's for the small guys xff

[minor gust]

I was only sent at 2 SD stacks or multiple smallies. Didn't help half the time they were just running off to our ranged

[kindred breach]

while we still can

12.0.5 comes and then bye bye

[fresh spire]

Bro sending sd2 like it's s3

[minor gust]

It's ok wasn't really holding them much as there's small blobs frequently spawning

[thorn stream]

I played all of my chimaera hc kill in def stance and didn’t realize till I looked on our log

Arms so good, need to nerf my dmg myself

[leaden garnet]

Bloodmallet sims have Arms and Fury both at 108k. What did I miss? I thought Arms was choking and dying at sub 80k DPS I'm blind and Arms is 93k. Still better than I thought it was. Did we get hotfix buffs?

[halcyon valve]

Maybe the alnseer trinket finally works correctly in sims?

[slow saddle]

ARMS BUFFS WHERE

[slow saddle]

thing is

at 93k its fully st

fury doesnt loose st having the flexibility to go aoe

and theres a lot of shit we wanna kill in aoe

[untold pewter]

@minor gust
Did you play any fight as Col except for Vanguard?

[minor gust]

Can do 1st boss as colo for fun not like it matters since it's first boss.

[untold pewter]

Man fuck me
Got baited into doing a few of these bosses as col and dang 0 DPS

Ultimately jumped to fury for Vaelgor and Vanguard and the damage showed up

Should've just done slayer

But should also have just played col for vanguard

[spring vale]

as long as Arms has SS it will never be allowed to be good on ST

but for some reason its cool for destro to have havoc and mm to have hydra

[kindred breach]

forgot frost mage

[spring vale]

true!

[wind scaffold]

Yo i just looked at a pov on Crown HM and seeing there was quite some adds, im tempted to play colossus... but i feel deep down that's a bait and im gonna suck ass past p1. Ill try anyway but can anyone confirm ? (not sure about denying because it looks very sus)

[thick kelp]

not good

not enough adds to be relevant

Play slayer with like minimal aoe grabs (ex- broadstrokes, cleave, collat)

[olive nest]

Imagine a two target boss where arms doesn’t shine

[lone yarrow]

Couldn't happen in midnight could it

[thick kelp]

so like all of them

[olive nest]

Exactly…

[thick kelp]

because they just HAVE to make a mechanic where they need to be more than melee range apart

so only SP and destro do good

[thorn stream]

Me thinks broadstrokes and powerful momentum might be enough

[icy mulch]

I think the last time Arms was good on a two target boss was Ernanog in Vault. Even then other classes were buffed to be better.

[graceful sun]

Are you assuming the rest of your raid is smart enough to stack the mini-adds under the big adds like you're supposed to?

Bold move.

[wind scaffold]

... shit

[native nexus]

In good news, I finished leveling my unholy dk.

[graceful sun]

How people are parsing on Vanguard I have no idea. My ranged clearly don't give a shit and bait the chaplain away to Narnia so I can't cleave the goat.

[flat willow]

hell yeah

join us

remember, every unholy death knight is an arms warrior that was killed by blizzard

[native nexus]

Leveling felt like butter compared to arms. Geeze : 😫

[olive nest]

Play with a raid leader who gives the ranged shit when they bait the leaper to bumb fuck Egypt

[simple lintel]

uhdk ew

[graceful sun]

[finite nacelle]

Had a dream last night that Blizz buffed arms

[shrewd adder]

What a dream bro

[pure wren]

Did the fever break afterwards?

[shrewd adder]

Paradise

[hoary palm]

buff arms or riot

[vapid spire]

We need to riot

Not even one Arms warrior in top 100 and we get nothing. 7 elemental shaman in the top 100 and they're doing well already, they get 10,15 and 20% on some of their skills 😂😂

[slow saddle]

St i hope

Fuck me just buff ms + exe until we hit 109k dos

Oh y and nerf cleave a bit its 2 good

[finite nacelle]

It was a fever dream yes

[slow saddle]

Fr though its that simple

Buff ms

[thorn stream]

it really is
MS + Exe 20% 📈
cleave 20% 📉

[vapid spire]

We need another aura buff but a cleave nerf to counterbalance

[thorn stream]

another possibility if they are lazy

[worn knoll]

Raiding as arms after playing my MM hunter alt was depressing ngl.

mortal strike during CS+avatar with 2x executioner's precision + 1x martial prowess: ~50k non-crits, ~100-120k crits every 4th GCD due to needing to set up EP/OP buffs.

aimed shot during trueshot with 18x stacks of bulletstorm: 120k-200k crits every 2nd GCD for the entire 10-second burst window with no setup required before each aimed shot. Also 100% crit chance on aimed shot because of 4th apex talent, no non-crits to RNG your burst

like what the fuck man.

[spring vale]

ranged players play like their spec FORCES them to be away from melee

stack bitch

[vapid spire]

We've been doing M+ for the last 6 xpack you know they're lazy

[graceful sun]

Tanks are just as bad - as punishment they should be forced to play melee dps so they learn where to tank a boss and how to move with it without screwing everyone else out of uptime.

[thorn stream]

[tropic crest]

If we want to get good parse on arms we have to play builds that allow us to do ridicolous dmg to bosses (we can finish also under tanks)

For example to get high rank log on first boss we have to use M+ build and use full cds on adds.
Our dmg to boss is almost the tank dmg to boss.
Look at highest logs to see it.

The only fights in which we are good as Arms are Vanguard (Where we are amongst the best specs in the game) and Vael&Ezzo

On All other fights we can either:
1 - parse high by doing tank dmg to bosses and useless high dmg on adds.
2 - parse a shit and do a mediocre boss dmg (with ST build)

[austere hamlet]

just practicing colossus on dummies, it seems inevitable to lose globals without charge weaving due to rage issues. does this also happen in raid ? haven't had the chance to try out arms yet

[next sphinx]

What happened to Blizzard making us the "specialization class" so if we went hard into st talents we'd go hard on bosses. Same for cleave or aoe. Let the lesser classes have varied damage profiles

[elder path]

https://x.com/qwik/status/2035743465472922058?s=46

Mike Ybarra (@Qwik)

@Rykoth1 @CrimsonDesert_ Hope you enjoy co-pilot in WoW.

X · Mar 22, 2026, 3:40 PM

Figured out why there’s no arms tuning

[solemn blaze]

Any uplifiting news regarding arms yet? 😢

[kindred breach]

yeah

there's other classes we can choose from

[sharp wyvern]

its droppig in wclogs overall so that might be a good sign for buffs

[solemn blaze]

Hopefully

[sharp wyvern]

crazy how the good news is that arms is looking worse

[kindred breach]

when was this ever considered a design philosophy? with this spec most of the time they just threw shit at the wall and saw what stuck

[flat willow]

that's a very positive way of saying " arms has a disgusting tree that forces you to sacrifice all your single target to be allowed to aoe "

and vice versa

[kindred breach]

yeah, absolutely stupid design

[sharp wyvern]

well tbf that was the design in DF and TWW until S3

arms did more ST but didnt have any aoe

[kindred breach]

so much st no spec was ever comparable

[sharp wyvern]

and now its the opposit e

[next sphinx]

Yeah but only boss st matters. Like I said the lesser classes can kill the riff raff while we take care of the boss.

[sharp wyvern]

not rn tho

[simple lintel]

Nerfs inc.

[kindred breach]

it's pad city right now

blow all cds on adds then blame bottom dps for having the boss enrage at 8%

[next sphinx]

I don't see the problem. Just have the sub rogue die right at the start of a huge pull and they won't kill the adds before you can do DPS. 😎

(He tripled my dps on every other pull)

[kindred breach]

god help us

[slender sonnet]

On the one boss arms existed on

[simple lintel]

Delete this, too many success stories as of late, the dk dev lurking here might get the wrong idea

[next sphinx]

Sorry brotha. If blizzard throws me to the void I am coming out a father.

[olive nest]

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/dafuq-katt-williams-woke-foke-excuse-me-huh-gif-8854930855394198798

[wind scaffold]

who knows what this guy might find in the void

[olive nest]

He’s going to find atleast one goth baddie

[sacred zodiac]

most average rem fan statement

[scenic umbra]

Success story from arms? Nerf that shit

[simple lintel]

When they rated us F-tier, it was F as in Future

[rose ibex]

We're fine in dungeon. Regularly get numbers like that clearing

[proud remnant]

is there a build per raid boss guide?

for arms

besides play fury

[proud remnant]

Noooooooooo

[spring vale]

there's ret pally

[regal dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/brother-ew-ew-what-is-that-whats-that-brother-gif-14318384540422820315

[fervent jackal]

That's me looking at my DPS after playing literally any other melee DPS class....

[obsidian otter]

The parse difference 😢

Such a little amount of pool that even log arms

[regal dragon]

I cant play anything besides warrior. Everything else bores me sadly lol

[finite spire]

same. I told myself I could play Mage this tier. Just finished heroic raid on it. Starting gearing Warrior straight after 😤

[regal dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/faramir-brothers-my-brother-boromir-lotr-gif-16333243

[next sphinx]

thats how you become the fan club leader. gotta speak for the people.

[worn knoll]

why are 9 out of 10 raid encounters with multiple targets like this

[gaunt owl]

because blizzard hates you and specially when you have fun

[worn knoll]

AKA ranged are allowed to cleave but melee aren't?

[twin agate]

what build are you guys usign for raids and how much dps are yall doing?

[gaunt owl]

my build is special

[next sphinx]

Fury

[gaunt owl]

its the touch grass one and watch people from afar crashout about the state of the game

[next sphinx]

Or protection if you want to do good DPS.

[twin agate]

i dont understand why do people feel obliged to awnser something when they have no intention of awnsering the question?

https://tenor.com/view/omegalul-lul-lulw-twitch-emote-gif-13523263

[gaunt owl]

becasue your question isnt even a good one

its the generic one you get 20k times each tier

just a bit of warcraftlogs.com

and you good to go

[twin agate]

thank you