oh shit guys, was checking warcraftlogs this is the number of arms warriors playing 😄
#arms
stable fiber
Too high
lone yarrow
spring orchid
vapid spire
oh shit guys, was checking warcraftlogs this is the number of arms warriors pla...
Where do you find that ?
cosmic halo
If i understand well, RS will have a huuuuge drop of proc next patch, but what's the upgrade ?
gaunt owl
oh shit guys, was checking warcraftlogs this is the number of arms warriors pla...
Arms was always one of the least played spec
quaint otter
oh shit guys, was checking warcraftlogs this is the number of arms warriors pla...
almost 30k mage parses
minor parcel
I’m not sure why there’s so much arms hate. I blasted on ST in my raid and execute went hard. I think there’s to much dooming going around. Cleave feels good and ST doesn’t feel as bad as everyone making it out to be
sudden topaz
on chimaerus are you guys holding bladestorm for adds?
umbral badger
Where do you find that ?
you just go to warcraft logs and go to statistics
play around with it to see
obsidian otter
oh shit guys, was checking warcraftlogs this is the number of arms warriors pla...
Still the lowest parses of any class 😢
umbral badger
I’m not sure why there’s so much arms hate. I blasted on ST in my raid and execu...
because it is not about one's dps relative to his raid, but relative ot other specs.
that being said arms is doing fine overall, they are dead on boss damage.
minor parcel
I’m in a hall of fame raiding guild… pretty fair to judge relative to my raid when we are all blasters
umbral badger
and you could argue that ppl are basically asking for some shift from aoe to ST whereas that ST will compensate on the lost AOE
mild dagger
umbral badger
I’m in a hall of fame raiding guild… pretty fair to judge relative to my raid wh...
sure, but even top guilds are not always top parsers because at some point such guilds care more about killing the boss than about parsing, don't they ?
i would say arms is not even that dead on ST unless you have to choose between Cleave spec or ST spec
once you go cleave spec your ST goes to tanks levels
and that's why all the top warriors on Cleave fights are doing roughly 25k dps on boss
top arms warriors *
minor parcel
Idk most hof guild dps are both parsing and doing mechanics well. I’m just saying arms felt fine to me compared to what I expected after all the dooming going around. I will say outside of execute phase it didn’t feel as good but alot of the ST fights have pretty long executes
slow saddle
Idk most hof guild dps are both parsing and doing mechanics well. I’m just sayin...
Our dmg doesnt rly increase in exe though
umbral badger
Idk most hof guild dps are both parsing and doing mechanics well. I’m just sayin...
like i can gaurantee, once you start doing keys / high keys as colossus you will hit a brick wall if no specs in your party are gonna carry your boss dmg
and on high keys if you can't kill the boss you ain't gonna compete
minor parcel
I mean it does tho we aren’t getting SD procs to get fully buffed ms outside of execute phase
slow saddle
Sims disagee
minor parcel
Ya colossus did feel bad on st in m0 this past cpl weeks for sure
umbral badger
yea and that's really the roots of the problem
slow saddle
Might feel better but its not massive
umbral badger
just ST
like doing 200k+ aoe dps then 25k ST dps is criminal
dunno with the current gear
but at least that's how it looked first m0 week
minor parcel
Ya I’ll agree with that
But on like vorasius or whatever I was expecting terrible things and I was like top 3 boss dmg
umbral badger
the 2 fights arms is doing good boss damage is vorasius and lightbinded
and good overall on both fights ofc
most other fights tank is doing exactly tank dps to boss
minor parcel
I mean vorasius is ST fight for the most part
umbral badger
yes which is a sign of how if you go 100% of your points into ST
you can do ST
but you need too many points to become cleave
minor parcel
Ya I agree
umbral badger
like
slow saddle
you can do ST
Just less than other classes
minor parcel
In raid it’s fine tho cause ya rly just change per fight
umbral badger
as fury, i am literally moving ONE SINGLE passive to become a cleave class
minor parcel
In m+ I can see ya dooming
umbral badger
just improved whirlewind
and arms you need 90000 passives for that
it's crazy to me the difference there
slow saddle
Y fury vs arms like. Its crqzy
minor parcel
Ya arms has always had that issue of having to change to many talents to go from st to aoe. Sucks
slow saddle
Nah
Or well when dreadnaught is pretty strong
We got a decent light cleave
And bladestorm was purely aoe
Issue is more that
In beta when dreadnaught trucked. In raid playing st was great st cleave
worldly rivet
like doing 200k+ aoe dps then 25k ST dps is criminal
While it's just mythic 0 right now... I'm absolutely smoking every other spec in total DPS but around 30-40% less damage on ST bosses haha. I come out to much higher DPS but feels very boomie.
jolly lintel
Arms doesn't do st rn lol
minor parcel
I just disagree with that arms doesn’t do st rn take
There’s more context to it than that for sure but it does do st
Colossus doesn’t do st in m+ but slayer in raid does do st
wary steppe
Ok so they saw arms for second tuning and they said it’s fine
jolly lintel
Trying to think. Are there any pure st raid bosses?
umbral badger
@minor parcel at the end of the day players are good at sharing their experience but not at finding solutions "the words of ggg devs xd" and so most ppl will end up coppying builds and when you copy a cleave build you are doing zero ST
fresh spire
I just disagree with that arms doesn’t do st rn take
Check the only close St boss in raid and you will see arms st sucks asd
jolly lintel
I dont remember the log but r1 arms was 60k dps and r1 dps was i think at 98k
umbral badger
Check the only close St boss in raid and you will see arms st sucks asd
it's literally a tree split into a ST half and AOE half excluding execute passives 🤣 crazy idea they came up with
minor parcel
Check the only close St boss in raid and you will see arms st sucks asd
Arms is right in the middle for that fight in raid
jolly lintel
Which fight?
minor parcel
Vorasius
umbral badger
Arms is right in the middle for that fight in raid
i would say salhadar is more representative of a ST fight cuz the switching is just a form of "chaotic" ST fight
thick kelp
is vorasius pure st hm
umbral badger
and arms is not doing too well thre
thick kelp
how about salhadaar
umbral badger
yea salhadar is a better representation
worldly rivet
Arms doesn't do st rn lol
I do worry about our AOE getting nerfed and blizz not buffing ST when mythic + rolls around.
minor parcel
Look at boss dmg
umbral badger
it is bad in salhadar just not lowest
wary steppe
They cant design nor tune anything
minor parcel
The one you linked has orb dmg in it
umbral badger
i just feel the spec has big inherit design issues right now so not very hopeful
frosty lava
'not too hot either' - proceeds to show fury in the top third lol
wary steppe
i just feel the spec has big inherit design issues right now so not very hopeful
Exactly this
umbral badger
The one you linked has orb dmg in it
it is another issue with the spec though that needs to be addressed, swapping kills it hard.
minor parcel
Listen lol I agree arms need an aura buff but like I’m just not joining you all on the sooner train saying arms is in the darkest days it’s ever seen
Way to much dooming going on about it for sure
umbral badger
Listen lol I agree arms need an aura buff but like I’m just not joining you all ...
defo not an aura buff, we don't want more cleave dmg we tired of that xd
jolly lintel
Its mostly the perception. Seeing the top dps get nerfed then buffed back to the top while doing 20-30k less doesn't instill much confidence. Thus the over dooming. It also feels bad seeing a tank pass you on m+ bosses in an opener with lust
olive nest
One singular boss carrying the average massively
They need to nerf cleave and buff ms/exe
jolly lintel
They need to nerf cleave and buff ms/exe
Big true
minor parcel
They need to find a way to make colossus do more st and slayer more aoe. I’m not a dev idk what they can do to make that happen but that’d be a good start for sure
flat willow
Way to much dooming going on about it for sure
why tho
jolly lintel
Youre a cleave bot or reap the storm bot. All cleave all the time
flat willow
dooming is the best way to make blizzard fix the spec
umbral badger
Listen lol I agree arms need an aura buff but like I’m just not joining you all ...
and arms ST is in it's darkest days , can't just use 2 boss fights to justify or explain how its not bad what you need is practical spec where it does something in most situation, being tank dps in a VAST portion of the content is one of the worst spots a spec can be
flat willow
not enough dooming, if anything
flat willow
10 000 more dead arms gif
umbral badger
They need to find a way to make colossus do more st and slayer more aoe. I’m not...
also even slayer does shit ST if they go full aoe spec
jolly lintel
I liked when you could do the execute build in m+ where you mostly sweeping striked the big boy in the pack. Did good actual cleave with your ST
upper sparrow
Make Execute Phase Great Again
pulsar berry
I think buffing the damage of baseline execute would maybe help too, when you’re playing colossus I’ve seen executes hit for like 10k
fresh spire
All st abilities need a buff. Deep wound is holding execute up more than it should. Ct is causing rage issues when not used.
Cleave 100% needs a nerf. It's the only part of the arms kit that does actually damage
hoary palm
fix arms or riot
open echo
lyric hound
after night 1 normal for me, im not mad about damage but i am mad about design. it takes a LOT of work to be mid in my grp while parsing near top overall. idont see how this is viable for harder content w/ the boss damage profile and weird CD sync
worldly rivet
Personally, probably unpopular, I always thought the Windwalker mastery made sense for Arms. Or add a condition that using X different spells expends the stacks to reduce cast time of Bladestorm.
but thats just me wishing Arms had more of an identity.
flint cedar
fix arms or riot
hopefully after blizzards world first short bus crew gets done with their pixel glory we can get some balance. That is honestly becoming the worst part of wow - catering to the 1% so they can get redbull sponsors
slow saddle
Listen lol I agree arms need an aura buff but like I’m just not joining you all ...
Keep in mind we just got a19% buff
flint cedar
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/552679488127893505/1484205387938009272/im...
Last night I got beat on first boss by our unholy and arcane mage by about 13k - They were 82-84k and I hit 69k "noice"
lyric hound
i like memeing around as much as the next guy and arms is my spec but when fury is sitting there healthy and blizz is ignoring us in tuning its hard to make 19 other ppl enjoy that im doing less damage than i could lol
shy oyster
m'neh just sad really
hoping someone better at numbers and maths will be able to decrypt what Blizz intends for Arms and figure out a set of talents and cadence for arms to become effective with
maybe arms is a sleeper spec. somewhere out there, its just waiting to be unlocked
blizz wont certainly help figure it out rofl
winter jungle
last boss confirmed 100% uptime 2 target cleave that starts at 35% hp
glacial pebble
how is arms performing in the raid?
winter jungle
quite good on vanguard and middle/lower end on the rest
glacial pebble
do we take cleave?
gentle gyro
how's the 4hr m+ queue?
upper sparrow
hopefully after blizzards world first short bus crew gets done with their pixel...
wut
coarse hedge
I see dark moon dominion hunt is siming pretty high is that trinket worth only if youre using a crafted weapon or just solid
pale bone
Solo as Arms 252 Ilvl.
Did HoF as Brew and tbh it felt easier on Arms
umbral badger
last boss confirmed 100% uptime 2 target cleave that starts at 35% hp
huh ? last boss does not have 2 target cleave
simulacrum is tanked away from boss or you wipe
candid pecan
last boss confirmed 100% uptime 2 target cleave that starts at 35% hp
really?
candid pecan
oh I got baited 
umbral badger
unless i am braindead and forgot what i did 2 nights ago , i think he is talking about the simulacrum add which needs to be tanked away from boss.
winter jungle
just a joke in the context of not recieving any buffs
for whatever the reason may be
upper sparrow
Solo as Arms 252 Ilvl.
Did HoF as Brew and tbh it felt easier on Arms
Nioce
hushed pine
The last time Arms was in a very, very bad spot it was 12 years ago during WoD, and it arguably had better damage than it does now, single target wise
But it was so bad everyone and their grandma was playing Fury
viscid mica
Hi blue parser here. Are there any guides for prio in raid as slayer? Don’t like colossus. I feel like cleave hits like a truck sometimes but don’t know when to prio it or hs or ms vs 2 stacks on op or exe
astral yarrow
Hi blue parser here. Are there any guides for prio in raid as slayer? Don’t like...
if you want very specific details, check the APL on the simc github. If you dont understand what you are reading, shove it into claude or any AI and have it translate it
nova marsh
The last time Arms was in a very, very bad spot it was 12 years ago during WoD, ...
Im gonna be honest
ahem...Nath
Warr as a class was in a pretty crap spot overall
thick kelp
if you want very specific details, check the APL on the simc github. If you dont...
if it was there
flat willow
when arms got nerfed like 5 times in season 1 of war within
thick kelp
the apl
hushed pine
Warr as a class was in a pretty crap spot overall
It was but Fury was arguably faring better at the time
flat willow
cuz fury was overperforming in a raid designed perfectly and blizzard didn't have the technology to nerf fury without nerfing arms
umbral badger
The last time Arms was in a very, very bad spot it was 12 years ago during WoD, ...
i was arms in wod and i was literally rank 3-5 warrior amongst fury warriors, wod warrior AT LEAST had tricks to work arounde the weakness "ahem, execute"
hushed pine
And Glad Prot Warr got nerfed at some point
nova marsh
It was but Fury was arguably faring better at the time
....during nathria?
umbral badger
now there are no tricks for warriors to function
nova marsh
Maybe in m+ but fury was like the worst spec in the game and arms wasnt preforming much better irrx
hushed pine
....during **nathria**?
WoD. I didn't play SL
halcyon valve
cuz fury was overperforming in a raid designed perfectly and blizzard didn't hav...
One spec being strong simply must mean that both are strong, theyre practically the same! /j
nova marsh
....yeah my comment was saying we had a very very bad time in shadowlands s1
astral yarrow
the apl
warrior thing is built 5 days ago
but i guess greg or fishy has the most up to date one lying around on their own github
nova marsh
Fury was literally the worst spec for a few weeks
umbral badger
in WoD arms had overpowered execute damage , and in any boss with adds you could basically do some small tricks to increaase your boss damage "for example you'd taunt the add last moment to get it close enough to the boss to cleave execute to the boss from the add"
hushed pine
i was arms in wod and i was literally rank 3-5 warrior amongst fury warriors, wo...
I do remember the bug where Execute gave you full rage
That was fun
And Execute actually Executed
How funny
umbral badger
I do remember the bug where Execute gave you full rage
it took only few executes to push you from bottom dps to top
i don't even remember bosses names by now and i cba looking it up but i remember the rock-like boss thingy where i woudl taunt the add to the boss and execute it with sweeping
was fun
ofc i don't think a spec should need to do weird shit to be viable
bad design
vast helm
save Arms
hushed pine
Rage generation was so bad though
umbral badger
yes, you needed all your rage on executes i think
hushed pine
Not as bad as MoP's but yeah
umbral badger
if i remember correctly, you needed the world drop trinket with 231232113 strenght on use
then you needed ot actually start saving your rage before an add is about ot hit execute range
then you needed to taunt the add to the boss , sweeping up after pooling the rage
and then you needed to empty the rage
and since my guild was very competitive they also stopped dpsing the add on execute so that i boost the grps boss dmg
there were boss fights where all of that is out of hte window ofc
and is not doable
but in fights like the furnace you could still do taunting of smaller adds to bigger adds i think
to boost your dps
although i enjoyed the playstyle i knew it was not sustainable or healthy for the game
so glad it was removed
we don't have many logs remaining form that time since world of logs was prominant i remember
but we do have this
umbral badger
ad those warriors on those logs were not using the on-use world drop trinket
and yet the execute was doing 400k which was twice to 4 times of mortal damage
execute doing execution
moden execute name should change to exclude or something 🤣
uncut yacht
execute? more like cute.exe
hushed pine
Outside of Legion, I think that's the most damage Execute has ever done lol
umbral badger
his numbers for execute are even low compared to someone using the trinket i am talking about but i can't even remember the name
was golden swordish icon or somehting
hushed pine
Might of "something" I think it was called
umbral badger
maybe this one although those are hte modern numbers on
dunno how to see the old hting
uncut yacht
oh I remember this thing
umbral badger
althought might be the wong one
wrong one
but it was osmething like this
it used to give you like 30% or 50% more str or some shit
was crazy op
hushed pine
maybe this one although those are hte modern numbers on
That's the one
umbral badger
not sure if i can trust the AI
but that's what it is saying
since i cba looking
umbral badger
but yes abusing that trinket during progression with a few tricks made your execute hit close to a million
you'd pool your rage before you use trinket, pop all cds and in 3-4 executes go from bottom to top 3 dps
whoever made a trinket give you almost as much str as you have was crazy
flat willow
from like mop to legion was when they just went bonkers with the trinkets
they just didn't care
hushed pine
Memento of Angerboda was so good in Legion
on demand DBW
This trinket was so nice in wod too
ofc the values were different then
flat willow
people losing their mind when a fury warrior popped draught of souls
olive nest
Razor coral my goat
olive nest
No it isn’t anyone saying it’s fine is 
Arms needs cleave nerfed and aura buff all other abilities
odd ledge
Well only arms player think that
olive nest
Or at the very least buff ms/exe
hushed pine
I can guarantee you anyone who tries out Arms will say the same thing
uncut yacht
Anyone who says my class is overperforming and their class is underperforming is a delusional freak
obviously
Only my take matters
hushed pine
Not every MM Hunter but always an MM hunter
uncut yacht
Not every mage but... actually scratch that, every mage
minor gust
There is no real ST fight right now. Best your gonna get is voracious and fallen king
nova marsh
There is no real ST fight right now. Best your gonna get is voracious and fallen...
No st fight means st dosent matter
Ive genuinely seen this take
nova marsh
Killing adds does damage to the boss right
tender totem
did arms get buffed?
umbral badger
did arms get buffed?
yes, too many buffs ppl like fishy and arch are unable to keep up with the data.
halcyon valve
0% buff to mortal strike
shell arch
what are u guys playing on m+, colossus or slayer?
worldly rivet
what are u guys playing on m+, colossus or slayer?
Slayer personally
Just personal taste though. Not a fan of Demolish and Ravager and the cleave spam.
shell arch
i feel like execute and bladestorm deals no dmg x.x
rose ibex
what are u guys playing on m+, colossus or slayer?
I do more damage with colossus
worldly rivet
Reap the storm is what makes execute do a lot of damage haha
rose ibex
Cleave is all that matters
shell arch
yeah but its not execute itself x.x
worldly rivet
Bladestorm can do a lot of damage if you line up some MS buffs to CS.
dire hinge
For dungeon
single target? Still cleave 
rose ibex
single target? Still cleave <:sad_cat:1202145417895358495>
What actually
I was actually wondering about that
dire hinge
in dungeon single target yeah
strong void
How are you guys timing your CS and demolish? I can’t seem to get enough MS in in Mythics to keep them on the same timer. I can get closeish, but not close enough
halcyon valve
Ive heard you should send demolish whenever its ready, because the buffs you get from that are just good
brittle rock
also, low level keys and M0 were always kinda a randomfest for arms because shit's dying fast and the downtime stacks up, effectively breaking your rotation
tranquil oar
At least I’m the rank 1 arms healer
damn wp tiger i had to raid lead the dragons and pallys in voice i need to catch up to you !
pulsar berry
I am clicking victory rush like my life depends on it
tranquil oar
i am 18 but i never saw how much healing i got
gonna fix some logs cause i am raiding from work lol
umbral badger
ok bois, time to go colossus warrior in pvp to get 1600 rating for the catalyst
zero pvp dps incoming
umbral badger
as arms is it not easyer to do m+ next week ?
doing m+ will be easier until you reach high enough keys where boss damage matters
i don't even want to pvp i just want a catalyst charge
tranquil oar
doing m+ will be easier until you reach high enough keys where boss damage matte...
well we get it on 2000 rating that is all 7+ ?
tranquil oar
i don't even want to pvp i just want a catalyst charge
yeah ,but is it hard to get 1600 in pvp ?
umbral badger
i don't remember how much rating for what levels and i don't know if it's the same :p
pulsar berry
1600 is pretty easy if you’re willing to just mash face into bg blitz
But it’s also miserable if you don’t like pvp
umbral badger
yeah ,but is it hard to get 1600 in pvp ?
1600 is usually something i'd be able to get with one hand, but yesterday i wasn't able to do any dmg when i tried pvp "no pvp gear"
i did buy 6 pieces now
so we will see
tranquil oar
well i dont have pvp gear so i dont want to drag the other teamamtes
guess i will wait till reset
umbral badger
you can make a couple of pvp pieces easily
like you get 9 of the crafting thing by completeing quest or something
a bit of honor
so you can make / buy 3-6 pieces or some shit
don't wanna go fury cuz item restoration page is not working and need a second champion weapon to upgrade it to 263 , i ded the champ weapons the other day xd
restoration page not working for the past 2 hours feelsbad
brittle rock
arms changes are huge
ye patch is bonkers. Unholy changes 🤡
minor gust
How are you guys timing your CS and demolish? I can’t seem to get enough MS in i...
Demolish and CS will not sync up in ST. Just send demolish right away with CS after 1 MS on pull and then just send things on cooldown. Can hold Demo for CS only if They are close
umbral badger
and fact that CS is like 45% damage at least "with set 2" maeks me wonder if demo shold ever be used outside of CS, even if it is to be delayed for CS
CS probalby on average 50% on ST
topaz python
someone tried Nullaeus on ?? with arms?
fossil root
Blizz will fix ups arms spec only after arms player count as a whole diminishes to a minuscule volume.
topaz python
it already is
fossil root
It takes time to accumulate statistics on Blizz side.
topaz python
heroic first boss clears logged
umbral badger
GUUYYS fully stacked full cds demolish doing 5% of a priest life, lets goooo
#nerfarms
minor gust
and fact that CS is like 45% damage at least "with set 2" maeks me wonder if dem...
The dmg doesn't outweigh the loss of casts in ST. Just send that shit on CD unless CS is almost up. Only gonna be worth to hold for awhile if you know that is gonna be your last cast of demolish of the fight.
umbral badger
The dmg doesn't outweigh the loss of casts in ST. Just send that shit on CD unle...
i don't know i have to think about it later in the sense of "how much time can you wait before it's not worth waiting"
since demo stacks still grant other bonuses so it's not straightforward
would be straightforward if CS is 30% only but at 50% not too sure
minor gust
Again that extra dmg is nothing if it means you lose a cast or two of demolish from holding. You can hold for CS if it's almost up 10 or so seconds cuz am will shrink that CD as well
umbral badger
well, 10-20 seconds is where my mind at right now
but no time to start calculating shit now
wanna get 1600 rating for catalyst if i can
umbral badger
it's not rocket science :p
just some statistics of how much damage we gain by keeping stacks up , lose per second by delaying demo, lose by not using on cs, and so on
spark mango
if anyone asked me which season would you rather lose as a warrior to war and your internet being down, i would 100% choose this one so far
minor gust
fresh spire
friend linked this
umbral badger
maybe i will buy this for m+ next week, cuz we need more aoe dmg
oak cipher
Lets not give them any ideas ok
halcyon valve
heroic first boss clears logged
Arms on top lets go
shy oyster
i love picturing every diehard arms warrior out there begging their RL/Friends/Party: "LOOK LOOK. JUST LET ME CLEAVE. I PROMISE YOU, IM ACTUALLY VERY STRONG."
sharp wyvern
"just let me handle all the adds on the dragons "
last boss also has a lot of small blobs in p1
that might make arms look good
slender sonnet
i love picturing every diehard arms warrior out there begging their RL/Friends/P...
Yeah I do actually
I told my raid leader to take people off adds on first boss
slender sonnet
Real
jaunty drift
halcyon valve
true warrior, 0 thought in that sentence
Gotta commit to the bit at any cost
shy dew
that's old, we got a 4 times at row that message, when they killed MS
jaunty drift
that's old, we got a 4 times at row that message, when they killed MS
i know lol
uncut yacht
that's old, we got a 4 times at row that message, when they killed MS
heard about this one?
jaunty drift
minor gust
sharp wyvern
olive nest
uncut yacht
I can't even call you so called 'free thinkers' because a true warrior does no thinking
sharp wyvern
we are free thinkers cause there is a lot of free space in our heads
uncut yacht
free (of) thinking
hushed pine
kindred breach
secret meta, next tier will have 60 adds every 10 seconds on every boss fight
sharp wyvern
thats when cleave gets nerfed
kindred breach
kindred breach
thats when cleave gets nerfed
uncut yacht
secret meta, next tier will have 60 adds every 10 seconds on every boss fight
dragons kinda have that lmao
kindred breach
ik, i just auto attack until orbs of dps increase spawn
sharp wyvern
best thing you can do is hold your BS
the one 2 target fight is a fight where the bosses cant be together
uncut yacht
Paladins are really fun
sharp wyvern
are they?
uncut yacht
imho yes
sharp wyvern
on hc they are kind of a nothing burger
uncut yacht
lot of movement but also almost constant 2-3 cleave
olive nest
Colossus on vanguard is cool
uncut yacht
on hc they are kind of a nothing burger
well, this is their first 'addon free' raid
i was expecting it to be mild
it's definitely not hard especially compared to some past stuff
I'm not talking mythic
sharp wyvern
and yet they make a last boss with the same kind of dispell cadence needed as on fyrakk
uncut yacht
that ine i don't know
sharp wyvern
they couldnt fix debuff tracking and here we are
uncut yacht
blizz moment
sharp wyvern
bandaid over bandaid over bandaid
i have yet to see a boss that was impossible to exist with addons
shy oyster
bandaid over bandaid over bandaid
one day, blizzard will make the bandaid elemental
and it will ruin their hq
umbral badger
let me tell you guys, hunter aimed shot does more dmg than my mortal strike in pvp is making me sad
higher than my fully stacked mortal
dire hinge
tbf they did aim it
umbral badger
i literally smash the hunter to 30% then he looks at me and i die and i am full pvp vers gear at this point lol
fresh spire
Hunter moment
paper gulch
bandaid over bandaid over bandaid
That's the motto!
That's how warriors are treated, bandaid after bandaid
It's what happens when you have a shitty community advocate.
and no developer
dim basalt
No class has a real dev
exotic smelt
its like the only people write shit about warriors don't actually want to play it anymore
shy oyster
kinda cringe how prot has more of that powerful crushing warrior feel than arms does
paper gulch
I think i figured it out: they regret calling it warcraft and they cant spell warrior without war
exotic smelt
TRUE
paper gulch
Probably what it is. The DEI woke liberal female is keeping the brown man down.
shy oyster
hey we can always be called PEACEkeeper class
in that we keep the peace by hitting people
paper gulch
That's a great diea
I suggest a rename to blademaster
I mean if demonhunters can have two baller specs (one of which is BRAND NEW) why can't warrior
have at least one
We don't provide a lust, no consistent CC, we do not provide a combat res. Our damage should be S tier.
That alone should be compensation enough.
paper gulch
I just snort tap water.
exotic smelt
adderall and vodka
paper gulch
What next? A BALANCED GAME?
I like you ❤️
nova marsh
Hell
shy oyster
❤️
paper gulch
Ok Ill settle for A tier
nova marsh
Not even ffxiv with the idea of selfish classes that bring literally nothing but their damage arent consistently tuned. Idk where you think blizz would do better
paper gulch
I mean eventually it should happen. We're only copying everything they do.
dim basalt
Saying that WoW has bad tuning is delusional anyway
sharp wyvern
ST is always pretty tuned excpet when there is a boss that is pad heaven
dim basalt
Tuning is a quite shaky right now but it was really good in all of TWW
sharp wyvern
tbf even the most ST boss rn is looks pretty balanced
paper gulch
You're right. Thats why we dont get any tuning because we're the kings of Voidspire.
nova marsh
Saying that WoW has bad tuning is delusional anyway
Not nessiarily bad
But inconsistent
Tuning changes on a dime
exotic smelt
idk i think they need to feed more logs into grok and get some new patch notes.
nova marsh
No I mean like
dim basalt
I know what you mean
nova marsh
Specs usually stay at certain places. They kinda...go all over the place with many highs and lows in wow
Thou I do agree I wish theyd tune more
paper gulch
Saying that WoW has bad tuning is delusional anyway
it is delusional because their employees are incompetent, not because it's an abnormality.
shy oyster
"hey siri, can you give me tips on how to make arms warrior work?"
"im sorry i did not quite understand? fury warrior is doing quite adequately at the moment."
paper gulch
I mean the BETA is supposed to figure all this shit out
exotic smelt
see my above comment
paper gulch
It's not that hard to balance abilities. Especially if they want to proclaim we have the freedom to make our own talent choices and play as we please.
nova marsh
I mean the **BETA** is supposed to figure all this shit out
I think this ignores two things:
A. Betas workable data set is a lot smaller, and thus has more bias in it usually
B. It ignores beta cycles like midnight that were focused almost entirely on refining gameplay
flint cedar
At least I’m the rank 1 arms healer
Delete this brother! You made it public! They are going to nerf all of our healing now!
paper gulch
but hey we're gonna change arms mastery, remove deep wounds, make it into two separate talents (1 for execute, 1 for MS and cleave) when those two points could have brought more of a hybrid setup.
paper gulch
I think this ignores two things:
A. Betas workable data set is a lot smaller, an...
I dont think I agree with any of that. Arms warrior is never in an MDI, the last time an arms warrior was in MDI was shadowlands only for necrolord banner
nova marsh
What does that have to do with beta?
paper gulch
It's just a consistent letdown
paper gulch
What does that have to do with beta?
Well because of the constant letdowns, you think beta after beta after beta would dedicate some effort to us, it's not.
It's a fork in the road, but a relative response when you think about our spec in terms of how long we've actually been like this, and how little was actually done to modernize us.
That's all I'm trying to say.
nova marsh
See i do agree and its why im not playing arms
paper gulch
I dont enjoy playing fury
paper gulch
But like i mentioned: we took away our deep wounds mastery, and made two separate talents of how it's applied, and redid arms mastery.
Like those two points alone for mortal wounds, and deep wounds itself could have been allocated or made into two better talents
It's just super redundant
silk ice
opportunity strikes when?
paper gulch
Then: we have two talents after warbreaker, with no other links that give post warbreaker effects (the top of which, is practically useless) that we are almost forced to take
One change I'd like to see is a direct arrow link from cleave -> Crushing combo
Because we also have 3 talents for our AOE dps on the right side of the tree that we also need.
That's like 5-6 talent points
uneven carbon
Can it really be that we dont press Heroic Strike in aoe?
silk ice
Cleave on 3+ targets proccs it, no need to
minor gust
Fob cleave presses HS for you
paper gulch
You have to, it gives you the armor pen and the buff weakens as time goes on
Yeah but cleave also has a CD
Outside of crushing combo
an asterix should be placed there that on #7. Cleave (hs if cleave is on CD)
wind hatch
an asterix should be placed there that on #7. **Cleave (hs if cleave is on CD)**
No
MS is easily prioritized over it for colossal might stacks for demolish cdr
paper gulch
MS is easily prioritized over it for colossal might stacks for demolish cdr
Yeah sure, outside of sweeping strikes and if cleave is on cooldown, what are you pressing?
`Because my heroic strike does more than mortal strike does
silk ice
Yeah but it would do even more if you FoB procc it
paper gulch
Yeah but it would do even more if you FoB procc it
Yeah but like I said before, Cleave has a cooldown.
minor gust
Cleaves CD doesn't matter
paper gulch
You're not gonna wait and go without pressing any abilities.
paper gulch
Cleaves CD doesn't matter
Why?
paper gulch
Press other abilities
silk ice
Not really, negligible CD, unsure about odds of proccing HS an additional time before Cleave is off CD
sudden topaz
anyone else getting flamed for being arms yet? lol
uneven carbon
Cleave on 3+ targets proccs it, no need to
ahhhhh
paper gulch
anyone else getting flamed for being arms yet? lol
Not yet but don't worry dungeon finder lobby is waiting in high keys!
sudden topaz
i was pugging heroic chimaera and got flamed by a ret, just told him to look in the mirror and cry at himself
granite compass
Did blizzard fix the recrafting bug with weapons?
did you guys recraft ur 259 wep to get both slots?
minor gust
Why?
Because it's short there's 2 globals in between each cleave. HS can only be procced from ST abilities. The likelyness of you getting 2 HS procs in a row with those 2 globals in between cleave isn't a thing
There's no real reason to press HS in aoe manually
paper gulch
Because it's short there's 2 globals in between each cleave. HS can only be proc...
I don't agree with you at all. Especially out of SS window
minor gust
I don't care that you don't agree. I'm just telling you the facts
silk ice
Since you're making a claim regarding HS, do you have stats to back it up?
wind hatch
Fervor of battle also increases slam/hs damage by 50%
It’s really inefficient to press hs in aoe
paper gulch
I don't care that you don't agree. I'm just telling you the facts
Oh I don't care about your statement either. If you are pressing a softer ability when you have the opportunity to press a stronger one when you have two globals to do so, you don't know what youre talking about. Thats a fact
minor gust
silk ice
That is in fact, not a fact. Do you have numbers to back up your claims? If no, everything is to be disregarded
paper gulch
My heroic strike tooltip says 25k dmg, my mortal strike says 19k
thats 6k
heroic strike also does splash dmg
CoMmOn SeNse
silk ice
25k * 1.5 pls in calculator
fresh spire
:holy:
sharp wyvern
heroic strike does splash dmg ?
paper gulch
Quick maths
sharp wyvern
when does heroic strike do splash dmg ?
sudden topaz
heroic strike does splash dmg ?
duh didnt you know lol
paper gulch
HeRrO
minor gust
Bros. Just only looking at tooltips doesn't even know what his other abilities do
paper gulch
Its situational
also you are using your OP on cleave if there's 3 targets
Have you played warrior before?
sharp wyvern
duh didnt you know lol
appearently there are hidden mechanics
silk ice
If you're slayer, Reap doesnt procc of HS, and if you're colossus, demolish doesnt get stacks from HS, how is 6k more damage making it worth more to click? When it additionally gets more from FoB?
sudden topaz
appearently there are hidden mechanics
he hacked the game and made it splash
paper gulch
Splashed heroically
silk ice
Heroic Cleave
sudden topaz
was it a canonball splash or a can opener?
minor gust
The man's living up to his name at least
paper gulch
The man's living up to his name at least
I mean you havent given any facts
ripe oxide
wet pool noodle splash
minor gust
I have. You're just ignoring them
sharp wyvern
also you are using your OP on cleave if there's 3 targets
you cant use 2 abilities at once silly
paper gulch
you cant use 2 abilities at once silly
Oh no way
paper gulch
you cant use 2 abilities at once silly
My bradygames strategy guide must be wrong
silk ice
I mean you havent given any facts
You haven't. We have given you basic math which you have ignored and then proceed to say you feel more damage from clicking something
paper gulch
You haven't. We have given you basic math which you have ignored and then procee...
¯_(ツ)_/¯
silk ice
Exactly.,
paper gulch
Situations call for different things.
sharp wyvern
silk ice
3+ targets = always wait for cleave
paper gulch
YES AND IF CLEAVE IS ON CD AND HS IS UP YOU GONNA PRESS MS ON 3 TARGETS WITHOUT SWEEPING STRIKES? NO
silk ice
Ruh roh, angy
paper gulch
Capital letters might help you read better
silk ice
Should I start typing in braille to assist you?
minor gust
paper gulch
Maybe, then I could feel you up
ripe oxide
ayo
silk ice
😳
sharp wyvern
guys no one knows what the best rotation is yet cause we dont have enough data
there are only 20 arms warriors
minor gust
This guy must not even play warrior if he doesn't know sweeping strikes has 100% up time
silk ice
You have to click it before CS you know?
mild sierra
Is there any way to get a working swingtimer with cdm, i cant live without mine 
sharp wyvern
silk ice
No we're still in early alpha Arms
thick kelp
Is there any way to get a working swingtimer with cdm, i cant live without mine ...
nop unless you are ret
minor gust
Pink spec at it again
thick kelp
they get to track their swing timer as abuff due to the crusading strikes talent
mild sierra
Cringe
thick kelp
which can be made into a bar
mild sierra
Ye my ret friend said he had one
thick kelp
cheating basically
mild sierra
Why live
sharp wyvern
im so glad my RL banished rets from melee range whenever he gets the chance
mild sierra
If no swing timer
thick kelp
stealing our things once again
silk ice
Yeah arms totally doesn't rely on AAs for their resource
sharp wyvern
warr dev went to ret after the ret rework in DF
thats my conspiracy
the talents they got were just a little bit to simmilar to ours
weak wave
Dreamrift boss. I did 37k, sim sais 49k should be possible. This will really stay like this? no tuning?
silk ice
Patchwerk
umbral badger
@fresh spire I need to pick your brains to explain the logic of blizzard balance in pvp around fatal where my fatal mark is doing 0.4% of my total damage xd they made it utterly useless LoL
jovial hare
p sure fatal mark has like a -80% modifier or some shit in pvp
weak wave
Link a log not a sim
jovial hare
might be 66
thick kelp
well ur first mistake is playing slayer
and not padding on the adds
u gotta play arms like fury warrior in nerub, play to blow up adds
umbral badger
p sure fatal mark has like a -80% modifier or some shit in pvp
legit , like it's just a noob trap "which i fell for" at this rate, it's like blizzard baiting ppl with that talent lol
weak wave
Hm alright
dire hinge
you didn't cast Sweeping Strikes a single time the entire fight
jovial hare
oof
mild sierra
you didn't cast Sweeping Strikes a single time the entire fight
Based
dire hinge
i know your Sim is patchwerk, but as soon as a second target appears, you gotta pop Sweeping Strikes. It's a massive DPS increase even if you only get a few spells off
umbral badger
you didn't cast Sweeping Strikes a single time the entire fight
sounds like the best way for us to get buffed, petition to stop using sweeping strikes everybody !
vernal pilot
Is there a way to macro Mortal Strike to use Heroic Strike instead when it procs? or is that not ideal lol
dire hinge
Is there a way to macro Mortal Strike to use Heroic Strike instead when it procs...
yeah you can use /cast [known]: Heroic strike; Mortal Strike but it's buggy
it'll randomly stop working sometimes
thick kelp
slayer presses ms>hs
dire hinge
yeah it's also a small dps loss to do it that way
vernal pilot
yeah you can use `/cast [known]: Heroic strike; Mortal Strike` but it's buggy
Thank you!
That sucks :/
dire hinge
i wouldn't recommend it, but yes it's possible
dire hinge
yeah, it'll auto-replace Slam so just press slam when it lights up
weak wave
okay, thanks!
dire hinge
just to demonstrate the difference in Sweeping Strikes uptime, you're in Blue, while another arms warrior (who is also Slayer) is in Pink. For that fight specifically you should have like 60%+ uptime on it, just spreading free DPS around
you can get a tremendous amount of pad if you play around add spawns and sweep off of them
minor gust
I don't think I will ever understand the HS macro
How many people out here just not keybinding slam
paper gulch
I don't think I will ever understand the HS macro
I dont think you need a macro.
thick kelp
you can get a tremendous amount of pad if you play around add spawns and sweep o...
my hs chimaerus
umbral badger
How many people out here just not keybinding slam
not only that, but it even has it's own natural macro in aoe situation where you just cleave and get it out xd
paper gulch
and I honestly thought heroic strike hit multiple targets, guess I just had sweeping strikes up
dire hinge
oh for sure, Colossus is by far the better choice for that fight
latent moss
my hs chimaerus
colo arms goat
minor gust
my hs chimaerus
Also make sure your raid leader sends you down first
I went 2nd wasn't a good time
thick kelp
Also make sure your raid leader sends you down first
i wasgoing down 2nd on colo
felt fine
minor gust
magic gate
eating good from a pug hc
paper gulch
Has anyone had any issues with accumulating sparks of radiance
im at 2 sparks in bags, 3 dust in currency tab
did weekly
Only two pvp quests are giving sparks, I completed one and I'm still at the same amounts.
dire hinge
you can get 4 without doing any pvp at all
paper gulch
I understand that but like I said, I chose the arcantina, did the 3 toasts and all but I'm not understanding what im missing.
carmine ginkgo
Did you open the chest you got as a reward for doing the weekly?
paper gulch
Yeah my bags are empty
dire hinge
right, dont worry about the Radiant Spark Dust, it'll be off for some reason
paper gulch
We are supposed to have 4 sparks this week though
dire hinge
seen it a lot this week
paper gulch
I only have 2 in bags
dire hinge
correct
slow saddle
what did u craft?
paper gulch
I havent crafted anything
dire hinge
for clarity, i dont have the answer im just confirming that Dust shouldn't be worried about
paper gulch
I have 104 hero crests, I wanted to craft a weapon
paper gulch
for clarity, i dont have the answer im just confirming that Dust shouldn't be wo...
I get that no worries
sharp wyvern
you got 1 extra spark from the tutorial quests for sparks i think ?
did you do it on a different character maybe ?
unkempt light
nice got a 99 on the cleave fight
paper gulch
I did everything on my warrior first before doing anything on an alt
carmine ginkgo
Go see lorthemar and make sure you've finished the world tour quest
paper gulch
I guess I'll just have to open a ticket
dire hinge
- World Tour
- 2x Lady Liadrin Weekly Quest
- Arcantina questline
I honestly forget where the final one comes from, but it might appear in just dungeon/raids/delves or something
ah 2 weekly quests, nvm
if you missed a week, it should drop by doing the dungeons/raids/devles as a catchup though
paper gulch
- World Tour
- 2x Lady Liadrin Weekly Quest
- Arcantina questline
- ~~I honestly...
I dont think ive missed any weeks
dire hinge
clearly 
dire hinge
so it's not "a world tour" (ie: all the dungeons). There's literally a quest called World Tour that gives you a spark
paper gulch
where is that from
dire hinge
let me just google it quick for ya
should be completed by doing all the purple triangle questlines
Can run this in your chat to see if you have it done or not:
/run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(95245))
shy oyster
where is that from
If you cant find it at Lor'themar, go find the time lady noz-something at the inn and press 'skip campaign', do an optional relog and then go back to Lor'themar
thats how i did on the 3 chars i levelled after my main who had it automatically as you have to do the whoel campaign initially at least once
fading isle
paper gulch
let me just google it quick for ya
I appreciate it
paper gulch
Can run this in your chat to see if you have it done or not:
```/run print(C_Que...
Says true
dire hinge
perfecto, so that means one of the two sparks you currently have is from the World Tour quest (woo hoo!)
the source of your other spark could be from a few things, but it 100% confirms that you missed one of the weekly quests at least. Luckily, just doing end game content should get it to drop, so it'll get your 3rd spark that way
if not your 4th, also
but for sure at least one of them
paper gulch
perfecto, so that means one of the two sparks you currently have is from the Wor...
Well the two pvp weeklies i picked up say i havent received it but when I finished one (bg) it still didnt give me a spark
the two 1500 honor ones
dire hinge
nah you shouln'd thave to do any pvp stuff at all
also sorry for any typos, typing with glvoes atm
i got all 4 without touching pvp, but if you're okay with doing it then that is an option. just want to confirm it's not required
trying to poke around online but yeah everything i see is just 'make sure you do the current weekly quest from lady liadrin, then do endgame content and it'll show up if you missed one'
paper gulch
I get that but what im saying is that I have done it and it still didnt give it to me
Maybe I should check my bank but I doubt I put any in there.
Liadrin doesnt have any quests for me, did the arcantina, and the world tour
nova marsh
I get that but what im saying is that I have done it and it still didnt give it ...
Try doing a M0
dire hinge
yeah, check bank, but if it's not there then it's time to do some endgame content (raids, dungeons, delves) and wait for it to drop
it'll eventually catch you up
paper gulch
i did both LFRs and did a bunch of 0's as well
So I guess I must have done something once and I'm just an idiot. Two sparks were in my bank tab. I also received a 1 minute chat ban for calling myself the R word.
Whatever, problem solved.
Thank you, sorry to make you go through all that troubleshooting
nova marsh
happens to the best of us man
paper gulch
I also was changing my talents around last night. I've been using this in Mythic 0's.
Being that I now realized that Sweeping Strikes has essentially a 100% uptime thanks to @minor gust
I have decided I can truly buff Slam, and heroic strike and have a lot more tactician procs which would also give me more mortal strikes.
I've been doing pretty well in dungeons as a result. Thoughts?
minor gust
paper gulch
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fresh spire
paper gulch
umbral badger
I also was changing my talents around last night. I've been using this in Mythic...
hmm how are you not using 12 sweeping strikes uses in 30 seconds though
dire hinge
Improved Execute is an interesting choice for Colossus, especially alongside dropping Bloodsurge.
You're both removing your rage generation (which we already struggle with) and making yourself spend more rage in the process.
steady isle
I don't see any tuning for arms next week, is arms OPed now ?
paper gulch
hmm how are you not using 12 sweeping strikes uses in 30 seconds though
So i thought about that and it was a hard decision but since we're only doing M0 the adds arent living long enough and i'd rather have single target damage
umbral badger
So i thought about that and it was a hard decision but since we're only doing M0...
ahh sure sure if it's just a m0 thing but i doubt in keys it's good
dire hinge
I don't see any tuning for arms next week, is arms OPed now ?
they looked at our cleave damage on Lightforged Vanguard and said "man, you're doing really well, let's not change anything"
(this is a joke)
paper gulch
Improved Execute is an interesting choice for Colossus, especially alongside dro...
There are times of a lack of rage but I have been using charge
minor gust
I don't see any tuning for arms next week, is arms OPed now ?
yeah we own on one boss so were balanced
umbral badger
So i thought about that and it was a hard decision but since we're only doing M0...
i still don't think the 16 sweeping charges is needed, but i do think that the free sweeping is needed from demolish
paper gulch
ahh sure sure if it's just a m0 thing but i doubt in keys it's good
I mean I'm willing to say that up to like a 5 this will work but nothing of serious value. Then again who knows.
umbral badger
So i thought about that and it was a hard decision but since we're only doing M0...
also losing colattoral in any mythic dungeon is a big dps loss
paper gulch
also losing colattoral in any mythic dungeon is a big dps loss
I completely agree but again, adds arent living long enough. Bosses are taking longer to kill than adds in a mythic 0
dire hinge
yeah arms does dogwater single target, but does quite well in AoE. this talent build kinda makes you mid at both (and still bad at single target)
umbral badger
collatoral is the onlly thing that works on 2 targets so not even only for adds
paper gulch
yeah arms does dogwater single target, but does quite well in AoE. this talent b...
Yeah but my damage has gone way up in the gear that I have with this
dire hinge
ha, you know what? Good point, this probably does fine in Mythic 0s where things die in 5 seconds
umbral badger
not that i remember which dungeons i did this week xd
dire hinge
not that i remember which dungeons i did this week xd
resets are daily so shorterm memory be damned, just run em again 
paper gulch
ha, you know what? Good point, this probably does fine in Mythic 0s where things...
Im just trying to make these lack of development issues for us better. I thought arms was great last expansion and now I'm just disappointed.
paper gulch
resets are daily so shorterm memory be damned, just run em again <:FingerGuns:11...
If they condense some talents, we could Make Arms Great Again 😉
umbral badger
resets are daily so shorterm memory be damned, just run em again <:FingerGuns:11...
spent the last 3 hours to do 5 pvp queues, not gonna stop now that i am close to 1600 for catalyst
this pvp queue is 9000 years
dire hinge
for sure, i just would highly recommend reconsidering the talent choices when mythic+ comes out and doing damage starts mattering 
umbral badger
If they condense some talents, we could Make Arms Great Again 😉
yup, we need our cleave talents to be , less.
like even though i like mass execution as a concept, please remove it we have too many aoe shit
paper gulch
for sure, i just would highly recommend reconsidering the talent choices when my...
Oh for sure. Once I start climbing back into high keys the trash damage will be very important
umbral badger
compesate it somewhere else
brave silo
On aoe opener as slayer are we CS>BS>Cleave spam or CS>Cleave spam>prio list
silk flint
Anyone have a vanguards talent tree for arms I can copy
dire hinge
Anyone have a vanguards talent tree for arms I can copy
in vanguards a pvp thing? or what is that
silk flint
Boss in voidspire raid
dire hinge
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silk flint
Much obliged
naive crescent
did they nerf tactician chance this xpac or something. feels like OP barely resets MS
umbral badger
did they nerf tactician chance this xpac or something. feels like OP barely rese...
if you mean battlelord, i don't think so no. we just have less MS cuz we lost other sources of reseting MS
nova marsh
if you mean battlelord, i don't think so no. we just have less MS cuz we lost ot...
I mean we also have less OP
worn knoll
overpower is no longer a priority over mortal strike if it's at 2 charges right? I think MS takes priority every time now since they nerfed dreadnought correct?
umbral badger
I mean we also have less OP
we have less rage so yea we do have less op too
umbral badger
less rage = less spam
umbral badger
brother
less rage
= less skills used
it does not matter the cost
if you are afking mid fight waiting rage
umbral badger
rage = more skills. more skills = more resets. even with the new tact sistem
nova marsh
"Rage isn't relevant to tacti anymore besides when we afk"
nova marsh
To be fair
could be worse
we could be frost where afking for 6 seconds is just a natural requirement of the opitmal rota
that being said....yeah arms's rage econ is a baffling state of trash
umbral badger
it's too focused on "discounts and free stuff'
it's like walmart shit
"slam reduced rage cost, mortal reduced rage cost if it resets, execute refunds rage'
lol
nova marsh
The thing is
That's how arms has always been
least since DF
They just delete MANY sources of rage from the spec
The only expection was warlords really
umbral badger
i just don't like this "discounts" design
nova marsh
I mean I feel like that's personal pref
Like rage for arms imo is just a very outdated resource in terms of design
worldly rivet
Like rage for arms imo is just a very outdated resource in terms of design
every mele has some kind of resource. I still rather have rage than energy which blizzard is worse at addressing.
nova marsh
Ehhhh on energy
I feel like it varies wildly just as much as rage does and is very feast or famine
Like outlaw right now
worldly rivet
outlaw doesnt have much issue with energy woes running fatebound which is the better of two hero talents.
umbral badger
i mean i am not too sure how discounts work with anger management, but if hte discount is gonna make angermanagement worse i hate the discount design
nova marsh
It feels....mostly fine? There are some dead periods, and that sucks, but it dosen't actually murder my enjoyment of the spec as much as I trhought it would
worldly rivet
assassination cannot play the game properly with their energy issues right now lol.
their AOE capability is so gimped.
nova marsh
I mean I find this funny because I feel like both of them are kinda outdated
worldly rivet
definitely two relics.
nova marsh
I'd argue energy has...somewhat been modernized better
worldly rivet
im just not sure what they could replace it with.
nova marsh
I mean
I've thrown around a couple ideas
You could also just make arms a generic builder spender, but then we really do just become fury 2
And fuck that
You could give arms a sort of "heat" mechanic, where we manage our rage for big burst windows and give colossus smash a lot of power
worldly rivet
Energy hasn't really been modernized though they just slapped thistle tea in talent tree.
nova marsh
I mean
Like comparing how energy feels in vanillia
Vs energy in modern wow
It is night and day
worldly rivet
why would i compare that
nova marsh
Meanwhile rage....
worldly rivet
its been over two decades lol
worldly rivet
its not outdated they just don't address it.
nova marsh
Rogues have some other main ways of generating energy besides the tick rate (like tea)
worldly rivet
it could feel nice if they wanted
nova marsh
warrior....dosen't
well I should say arms dosen't
Arms is, at all times, very reliant on autos for rage
It makes rage basically completely non-interactive as a resource at this point
And I'd argue rage only exists because of AM.
nova marsh
Like I can at least see a goal with energy
To give you a balancing act of sorts
With rage I just don't
Like when I can say you can literally remove a resource from this spec and it'd make arms play basically the same but less annoying (honestly this is even more true with tacti being decoupled from rage spent), I find it hard to justify it's current state
Also...several other classes COUGH demon hunter....Kinda copied rage. DK kind of did too
worldly rivet
its the most barebones resource for the most barebones class design.
nova marsh
Yup
worldly rivet
the only way I see rage leaving is if they did a total rework
nova marsh
I mean genuinely
worldly rivet
and turn arms into blademaster
nova marsh
arms really needs that
worldly rivet
and fury into something else
nova marsh
Like so bad
Eh
I don't even feel like that's needed, just rework slayer into a blademaster tree
icy mulch
Arms needs god.
nova marsh
It's already part way there with bladestorm
Honestly I feel like we just like
let hero talents accomplish what blizzard wanted to go for when making them
worldly rivet
i said it earlier today but i always thought the WW mastery made sense for Arms if it went blademaster route. Weaving in different strikes and then expending them to buff bladestorm.
nova marsh
Yeah and they could hopefully use it to make bladestorm a hard hitting ability
instead of one with like 3 extra affects that give actual damager
Hurricane, unhinged, overwhelmed...the list goes on
median jungle
serene horizon
I'm running out of rage in ST, do I need to keep overpower on 1 stack?
serene horizon
Bruh
minor gust
Just enslave a shaman to be around you at all times
magic canopy
sorry bud spec so cheecks people who've been picking it in bg blitz have been getting clowned
ocean pond
wendys chili with a pepsi driving my v6 mustang red with a black racing stripe
magic canopy
UH DK is like the Mcdonalds nuggets of dps specs rn
reef glade
thought they got buffed
magic canopy
@ocean pond likes the Ronald
ocean pond
<@204367291767324672> likes the Ronald
rare kite
UH DK is like the Mcdonalds nuggets of dps specs rn
mid af?
dire copper
got this from a bountiful delve map, thing isn't even on bloodmallet. Any idea on how it is?
river ridge
hushed pine
got this from a bountiful delve map, thing isn't even on bloodmallet. Any idea o...
Bis
Actually, holy shit, hero track, lucky bastard
dire copper
Interesting. ONLY place I can find info on it is liquidarmory. Cool, don't think I'm going to get loot couciled a lot of trinkets as an arms warrior this season lmao
wild seal
why mortal and heroic strike macro no work sometime?
wide needle
Rouse the fiber
nova marsh
got this from a bountiful delve map, thing isn't even on bloodmallet. Any idea o...
I have it on my dk
it's pretty neat
cobalt sinew
who has some good arms parses that i can look at
smoky kayak
why mortal and heroic strike macro no work sometime?
some people have reported it breaking after awhile, but a relog will fix it
wicked jacinth
What do we think the chances are of them reverting the sudden death slayer change before the patch goes live?
languid torrent
0️⃣
devout pewter
With how things are going, the chances are never 0, but very damn close.
visual fern
Fk @hexed saddle
glacial pebble
some people have reported it breaking after awhile, but a relog will fix it
whats the macro?
smoky kayak
#updates-midnight scroll up
tawdry quail
Arms is dead
Honestly was lookin forward to 24th match patch, thought they would juice them what they’re missing
But as always, completely ignored
Guess no arms this season
stoic oyster
arms will be ok for m+ but raid doesnt look too good.. hoping for some ST buffs
radiant dawn
fine for m+ but its going 2 stick out like a sore thumb
pulling into bosses and big pulls in general will make it look less abysmal
but then again
that'll require a tank who isn't in pug mentality which is making sure he clears the run, assuming other randos are shitters
in groups w/ ur friends its fine bc ur playing with ur boys anyways
stoic oyster
yes get a tank who cares about your stacks.. but theres a lot of RP before boss fights this tier its so annoying all my damage boosts fall off
nova marsh
after playing outlaw in dungeons yeah
so true
Blizz we were suppose to learn from HoV
nova marsh
Loosing stage 2 or 3 to RP makes me wonna headslam myself
radiant dawn
yeah its not great
nova marsh
and then I roll a 1 LMAFO
lyric hound
half way thru my 2nd raid night, decided to roll fury. this shit sucks, blizz plz fix arms
granite compass
Did blizzard fix the recrafting bug with weapons? allowing you to have both slots really high ilvl with one weapon?
rare kite
Went from 0 tier in normal splits to only plate tier in heroic week 1 redeemed
hope i can get the same. no tier in nm splits, we doing hc monday/tuesday
rare kite
bet it was a pull where you cranked on as well
minor gust
it was at the start
rare kite
nice ahahha
rare kite
i also have a big 8 parse on vorasius. i might have accidentally jumped off
minor gust
Holy how did that happen during the suck in?
rare kite
nah i just kinda walked stood near the edge. biggest brainfart
minor gust
its ok the amount of times ive killed myself from doing stupid jumps because melee brain forces me to jump randomly all the time
rare kite
yuh it just happens. can't be warrior main without stuff like that sometimes
median canyon
Ty
minor gust
macro is just press slam
but for real https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069****
just scroll up
boreal remnant
fair topaz
Seems like a nice gathering trinket
gray stone
welp my guild is benching me because i won't reroll from warrior
Warrior or Arms warrior?
hoary palm
arms
tight wing
i mean you could always play fury
or
Blizzard could just, you know, make arms viable
tight wing
true
stable fiber
one tricking is bad
tight wing
blizzard does it all the time, their one trick is to ignore warriors
gray stone
I one trink Fury bad or good.
stable fiber
bad
gray stone
So I understand my arms brothers
stable fiber
but better then one tricking arms
nova marsh
one tricking is bad
Even I have learned how to move on from one tricking
As a decade long one trick
The only class you'd wonna one trick is a mage
rare kite
The only class you'd wonna one trick is a mage
one tricking classes is generally fine. one tricking specs is rough
tho lowkey devoker hasn't been bad since vault of the incarnates. genuinely good-strong every tier since then
rose ibex
yo guys wth is this
i got the same thing man
stupid delves
the buffs it gives are actually good
however it never ever procs
nova marsh
one tricking classes is generally fine. one tricking specs is rough
I used to one trick fury. Then arms.
I am breaking the curse
rare kite
i just play what spec is better. on prog atleast
nova marsh
Thats what im gonna do for pushing