arms

[halcyon valve]

Had a 1.12 million dmg demolish yesterday
Cleave hitting for 100k per target too

Then there are all the single target abilities doing like 10-20k dmg :)

[fresh spire]

[stable fiber]

this feels so good

300k cleaves

then your highest hitting mortal strike is 120k

[halcyon valve]

Yeah the tuning is so fucked

Aoe abilities hitting for more than single target

[stable fiber]

so dumb

[plucky fern]

so we are the funnel class now

[stable fiber]

yes

[plucky fern]

need secondary targets to buff cleave and use it in st because its stronger than ms

[stable fiber]

we have funnel

[plucky fern]

this spec is so fucked

[stable fiber]

agreed

[halcyon valve]

Yeah basically (also keep in mind fervor of battle exists, giving EVEN MORE value to cleave over mortal strike)

[plucky fern]

yeah fervor+collat combo is the reason why funnel works

[halcyon valve]

• one against many for another max 25%

infinite amount of dmg increases for cleave

• ravager

[latent moss]

I didn't sim it but arms should funnel decently

[lone raft]

can someone explain funnel?

are we back or what? Fury is fun but too much spam

[rare kite]

not really. good on 1 fight

[latent moss]

aoe increases ur st

like having multiple targets increases ur st

[lone raft]

I see so for mythic arms is good? then swap fury on ST bosses?

[latent moss]

nah u play fury and arms on paladins

[tropic crest]

how do you think we can funnel?

[fresh spire]

Who knew cleave was so good

Not John blizzard ofc

[dense sphinx]

next week +20% mortal strike -50% cleave omegalul

then our aoe is dead

[fresh spire]

They are grossly unaware of why arms is doing its damage

We will get a small aura to push us up more while not fixing the direct issue that St abilities just aren't that good

[dense sphinx]

if they were aware we wouldn't have copped random MS and Exe nerfs

for no reason

[fresh spire]

Would have been fine if it was balancing ready for aura. But thay week was also when they buffed cleaved and fucked it

[dense sphinx]

yes so the dmg distribution isnt even right

dev has no clue or its 2 diff ppl doing stuff without talking to each other

[vale gorge]

How do you cleave the 2 dragons in raid as Arm oO

[fresh spire]

Only at end of fight I think

[dim basalt]

Do you reckon its worth playing Arms on council with Fury stats

It prob feels horrible without crit

[thick kelp]

prolly

[dim basalt]

Should give it a try on Tuesday ig

[slow saddle]

Then i would say slayer arms. But its col u wanna play soo

[dim basalt]

But why would I play Slayer Arms on the council

Might as well play Fury

[slow saddle]

I know

Than prob bettet

[slender sonnet]

No

[vital forge]

Liked the name

[astral yarrow]

[slender sonnet]

Raider io

[halcyon valve]

More like 2 individual braincells

[hoary palm]

I wish we just hit fat mortal strikes and executes

It’s so simple and the identity of the spec and Blizz will do ANYTHING but do that

[astral yarrow]

how about whirlwinding a bit

doesnt that sound nice

[fresh spire]

Only ww

[slow saddle]

Y

We are that simple

Also let sd reap🤣

[latent moss]

gz on bis trinket

[slender sonnet]

nooo 😢

I hate that I even have it equipped rn

[spring vale]

that fucking box that i hate

[foggy quiver]

Dk was mid for 10 hours and buffed to oblivion, how do we feel about this as arms warriors?

We too carry twohand, blizz, hello

[oblique lodge]

i realised its puzzle box when i pressed it and nothing happend..

[fresh spire]

Probs will get tuning announced today. Issue is probs an aura instead of a needed st buff

[oblique lodge]

too broken , nerf arms

[foggy quiver]

Why? The autistic spamming of cleave in aoe is great design

What geniuses are behind arms warriors, they deserve a raise

Ok I’ve unload my toxicity im good now

[fresh spire]

[thorn stream]

Even if they aura us again they need to nerf cleave

Else we overshoot in aoe and they just pummel us down again

Me thinks

[fresh spire]

I dont think they are aware of why arms isn't dead last rn and it's not St for sure

[thick kelp]

Why isnt arms using execute

[fresh spire]

Cleave better than execute at execute

[thick kelp]

I looove colossus

[fresh spire]

Colossussy

Sussy

[halcyon valve]

Colossy

„I want to do good singletarget, but the clapping of my colossal cleaves keeps alerting the nerfs“

[spring vale]

where's the isolation talent for cleave to make it do 2x damage if it only hits 1 dude

[fresh spire]

Ravager/mass execution

[fossil thistle]

Fem gob

[slender sonnet]

the puzzle box curse is broken

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-embarrassed-ashamed-fozzie-bear-omg-gif-3007325464814668475

[dull cosmos]

Warrior's can't break the immunity on the pally fight in raid, can they?

[sharp wyvern]

good question
however it can be dispelled and i dont think you want to cast shattering throw during bloodlust unless you litteraly have no one to dispell it

[slender sonnet]

Question

If I have puzzle box active while I press potion of recklessness, it'll give me mastery right

It does yes

I decided to test it

holy

[fresh spire]

[slender sonnet]

gayming

so much burst inc on vorasius on sunday

cause I get PI too

For reasons unknown to me beyond the RL likes me

[dim basalt]

Must be one of the best players in raid then

[simple lintel]

One of the players in raid

[dim basalt]

[slender sonnet]

LOL

do you know me

I suck

[dim basalt]

Its a hidden T3 buff then

[soft dew]

PI on Arms?

wth

[slender sonnet]

real

[slender sonnet]

yup

We have a lot of the classes that are above me in terms of PI assignments but

I won't complain

[simple lintel]

Any tuning predictions?

Cleave -40% damage

Sweeping Strikes renamed to Sweeping Strike.
Now only has a single charge.

Developer note - We see that Arms has been too dependant on Cleave. This change will make Mortal Strike more beneficial to use in an AoE context. We will be monitoring the change closely.

[oblique lodge]

removes the ability to wear two-handed weapons

[slender sonnet]

single minded fury is coming back

[fresh spire]

5% aura

[obsidian otter]

12.05 they are removing reap from Mortal strike I don’t think they want us to use it in aoe 😢

[simple lintel]

Updated the notes. I find it therapeutic to try put my mind in the mind of the warrior dev.

Cleave -40% damage

Removed Mortal Strike

Sweeping Strikes renamed to Sweeping Strike.
Now only has a single charge.

Developer note - We see that Arms has been too dependant on Cleave and Sweeping Strikes. This change will make Whirlwind* more beneficial to use in an AoE context. We will be monitoring the change closely.

[fresh spire]

Feels when bros right

"We want you to only press ww go get reap because you fuck you lmao"

[flint cedar]

Good morning! I have been running a mutant slayer AOE build and its not too shabby. While COLO seems to be the "promised one" when it comes to aoe - the initial burst that I get from colo looks good but quickly drops off after Demo with from what I can tell/do cannot seem to recover from - Whereas a slayer build "granted not the high initial opener" has more sustained - I have been around 124k with a 165k burst - I am following the opener and rotation on Colo but can't seem to get it sustained after that long ass demo animation - might be me being partial to slayer but oh well. I will be running the hybrid slayer build tonight for our raid as the full blown slayer ST build is within 1.5k of the Aoe build lol - FOR THE METRICS!!.....I guess

[last saddle]

unc is typing

[flint cedar]

"I find it therapeutic to try put my mind in the mind of the warrior dev." - If you are trying to pur your mind in the mind of our current warrior dev then apparently you need to be drinking a gallon of paint thinner.

[spring vale]

I think having an arms warrior in your raid is akin to having a really expensive dog breed. You want to show it off and pamper it with gifts it doesn't necessarily deserve as a show of status

[slender sonnet]

that's a great analogy

[rare elm]

We have a dev?

[wary steppe]

thats it i am off until classic+ 🫡

[rare elm]

Who the fuck is the warrior dev

[slender sonnet]

cya

have fun

[tawdry quail]

I was checking out the data mined class changes. Is all arms warrior got new from that just ignore pain buffs?

[oblique lodge]

100% is a dk main or smth

[thick kelp]

didnt you guys know that an arms warrior fucked the devs wife and this is the result

[slender sonnet]

real actually

[spring vale]

colossally cucked dev

[warm fog]

Demolished their marriage, now he’s gonna demolish arms

[lone yarrow]

Guys I got into a private blizz branch with upcoming balancing, arms is saved

Looks like a whole rework will sim a bit later

[slender sonnet]

Whoa

[vast helm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/14uzPzKMOuVIPu

[odd ledge]

Does someone have a screenshot where it shows that cleave does more execute dmg than execute

[faint salmon]

Dying laughing at this 🤣

[odd ledge]

Cracked me also up because my war is called dogsniff

[spring vale]

Dog spec will rise

they cant keep arms down forever

[olive nest]

Not with that vanguards fight keeping the average mid pack lmao

Nerfs incoming guaranteed

[lone yarrow]

ares take my cleave for proper ST

and my life is yours

[flat willow]

i don't know who the dev that plays death knight is

but keep up the good work

every expansion I level and gear my arms warrior then swap to unholy when arms is unplayable

[odd ledge]

Fake war

[lone yarrow]

legit

[flat willow]

maybe, but I also have fun on the game and do more single target damage than my tank

[lone yarrow]

unholy class fantasy is not it though

[flat willow]

it's plate guy with a 2 handed sword

that's either arms warrior, ret (lol) or unholy

[spring vale]

im so fucking sick of summoning patchwerk when i use army of the dead I wish gargoly was just as good/better

[flat willow]

and arms is unplayable 90% of the time

[lone yarrow]

with that logic a holy priest is the same as a fire mage both wield cloth and staffs

if going for a 2h i'd rather FDK but durrrrrrrrrrr

[flat willow]

heh, holy fire

close enough

[lone yarrow]

I'll slap your face across the intenet connection you have

[ripe oxide]

i mean they got a point

[slim iron]

At least there is 1 war dps spec not in bottom

[thick kelp]

how are we sharing a tier with feral

susg

[untold trench]

Ah popularity based rankings, best rankings

[sharp wyvern]

thanks to the council fight arms is in the middle of tha pack

[untold trench]

Wait, this aint prot, Pepega is spreading? time to close the discord

[halcyon valve]

Close the discord for 24 hours

[flat willow]

that will only put arms in ret clown shoes

without the popularity of ret to salvage it

the real power play is botting upvotes on reddit

redditors are what decide the fate of the specs

[warm fog]

Switch from heroic to normal to see what things will be like in a month when all those add packs get evaporated in 4 globals

Arms outright bottom dps on like 4 bosses

[fresh spire]

https://i.imgflip.com/977c65.gif

[olive nest]

https://i.imgflip.com/977c65.gif

[spring vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1484017612227608670/a1vjj2.gif

[gentle gyro]

So why the f they buffed unholy again and ignored arms?

[flat willow]

alright so basically, nobody plays arms AND a few fights in the raid make arms look better than it is

so what I am saying is that arms is doomed

[restive ledge]

Cause blizzard don't like the War in Warrior

Or the general fantasy, that a person wants one good Ole beating stick, to hit with said stick, no fancy magic, no minions, just the simple fade utilizing said stick

[odd ledge]

all i want is slow hard hitting swings

https://tenor.com/view/creepy-cat-smoke-cat-smoke-cat-smoking-ai-cat-smokes-gif-16189936107652293797

[restive ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/warrior-gif-6183644

[slim iron]

I guess blizz thinks "dps wars have fury so they should just do that if they want to do damage"?

[umbral gyro]

What’s the best way to raise concerns or complain to Blizzard about the current state of Arms Warrior?

[sudden topaz]

Complain on the forums and here

[fresh spire]

Forums

[flat willow]

make a reddit post about how you have 3 jobs and 5 wives and can't afford to gear another character and your arthritis stops you from playing fury

[slim iron]

Changed to throughoutput and arms went from c to b tier. We moving on up

[flat willow]

• your dad guild is threatening to bench you cuz the monk tank is out damaging you on the bosses

[wicked warren]

Nah man, you haven't been to dad guilds

[sudden topaz]

Tried fury last night, it's fun but I couldn't do it for long, fingies hurt

[odd ledge]

on the council fight for colossus, do you just follow the aoe priority?

[wicked warren]

There are people that would get a dps gain from OBR

[minor gust]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/arms-warrior-feedback/2270878
Come on forum complainers keep complaining

[odd ledge]

ill actually complain rn

[minor gust]

You will be frequently switching from 2T prio and 3T prio on paladin boss

As they aren't always stacked

[thick kelp]

as if thats any different

[odd ledge]

is 2t prio the single target rotation or aoe rotation on wowhead

[olive nest]

Basically cleave on cd
Then ms on cooldown
Then op

Try to wb/demo all 3

[odd ledge]

thats the aoe rotation

[olive nest]

Maintain rend

[minor gust]

yeah not much different

Cleave op

[sharp wyvern]

First comment i read and it says more than any paragraph

Most based rogue I've seen

[sacred zodiac]

tldr

[leaden garnet]

I'm absolutely loving playing Arms

How long until it's buffed into relevancy?

[sacred zodiac]

maybe tonight maybe never

consult the 🔮

[flat willow]

between 5 and 10

[minor gust]

Almost every change bad. Make gameplay go from good to bad

[leaden garnet]

Is the 15% damage buff already live?

[minor gust]

Been live since reset

[leaden garnet]

makes sense

My damage felt better than I expected it to be

What's the consensus about hero talents btw?

Like obviously Slayer is ST and Colossus is AoE, but gameplay wise do people seem to prefer one over the other?

And how wide is the gap on ST between the two?

[odd ledge]

btw do you not heroic strike in colossus council fight?

[thick kelp]

you do if fob cant proc it

[odd ledge]

ahhh i see

[wicked warren]

Personally I loved slayer in MT so much more because ravager makes my skin crawl

[odd ledge]

my dumb ass always pressed heroic strike, not knowing i can use it with cleave

lmao

[leaden garnet]

What was the slayer MT setup you ran?

[wicked warren]

Couldn't tell you, it was in TWW when slayer was meta in multitarget for one season

[olive nest]

Yeah you basically only manually cast HS on council fight when one is off channeling its thing otherwise cleave will get it

[leaden garnet]

I'm inclined to say I prefer Colossus, but execute being so weak feels awful

[odd ledge]

i like both but frick ravager

bladestorm is the way

[gusty nymph]

Arms is a broken patchwork. Forget about it. I am discovering thane. It works 🙀

[wicked warren]

I fucking want to maul whoever decided that ravager needs to be a thing AND not included in anger managment

[odd ledge]

in that case has HS top prio? over cleave

[leaden garnet]

I can't stand Thane

As fury or prot

[olive nest]

When you can’t hit 3+ you prio HS above other non cd abilities

[leaden garnet]

Which is a crying shame because Thane seems like the best in general

[gusty nymph]

Then play a broken spec 🥳

[odd ledge]

what happened to the abilitiy wher u avatar and also activate bladestorm and vice versa?

i liked that

[olive nest]

They deleted torments

[leaden garnet]

I don't mind Ravager, I just constantly forget to place it

[wicked warren]

You see, people had fun and warrior is not allowed that

[olive nest]

It was a bit obnoxious to be spinning for 12 seconds lmao

[wicked warren]

eh, I feel like only because you couldn't interrupt or storm bolt

[sharp wyvern]

top warrior post on EU btw

[wicked warren]

which now you can

[sharp wyvern]

but those comments are actually warrior level comments if you know what i mean

[odd ledge]

puzzlebox avatar bladestorm is gone then

rip

[umbral gyro]

Lol its basically true

[minor gust]

And he's right too

[sharp wyvern]

his main point is to get banners back

[odd ledge]

should change it to *arms warrior

[slender sonnet]

real

[minor gust]

Banners can comeback as long as it's something like necro banner and not skullbanner

[sharp wyvern]

he basically said arms sucks rn just add conquerers banner back pls

idk if its the language barrier but EU forums seem less intelligent

[odd ledge]

what about a berserker stance that acts like a state you have to maintain and if u go out of rage it ends

[sharp wyvern]

and i say this as a EU person

its more complaining than actuall feedback

[jovial hare]

wait conq banner? not skull?

[sharp wyvern]

he specifically said conq

[jovial hare]

weird banner choice but oke I guess

[sharp wyvern]

pvp player

cause he was complaining about spear being useless in pvp

[jovial hare]

skill issue

[sacred zodiac]

pvp player opinion discarded

[wicked warren]

Complaining is honestly the only way for devs to give a shit about your spec

[sharp wyvern]

its the most viewed warrior thread on EU

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jovial hare]

adding conq banner back would just make us have an unholy dk level of desynching

no ty

[wicked warren]

Retris whine 24/7 and always get rewarded for it

[sharp wyvern]

idk what conq banner did

[jovial hare]

mastery+constant rage gen+buffed 3 people

[sharp wyvern]

skull banner gave crit to people right?

[jovial hare]

also made u move a bit faster

ye skill was crit dam

20%

[sharp wyvern]

ok that cant exist

lets be real

[jovial hare]

conq banner was neat but kinda mid

[sharp wyvern]

[rose ibex]

I think they like fury warrior

[odd ledge]

^

[sharp wyvern]

fury also gets fucked next patch

so idk if i believe that

[jovial hare]

skull banner also let you intervene to it to clear roots
so that was fun too

[odd ledge]

oh i hope fury gets fked

fk fury

[rose ibex]

What what happened

[sharp wyvern]

well its slayer that gets fucked

[rose ibex]

Or is this the 12.05?

[sharp wyvern]

they remove the reap proc from SD

yes

the .5 patch

[jovial hare]

truly a dumb change

[rose ibex]

I was hoping those changes got removed

It is generally reviled

[sharp wyvern]

its ironic that the only change everyone could agree was good gets removed

[rose ibex]

Slayer isnt even doing that well tbh

[jovial hare]

idk i guess next xpac ill play arms and just play enh this time around

[rose ibex]

What change?

[warm fog]

Warriors just need to cry harder

[sharp wyvern]

heroic strike is a very divisive topic but the reap procs from SD was universially liked

[warm fog]

It works for mages and dks and paladins

[wicked warren]

I thought I was going to play rogue this season and I relapsed back to arms before raid

[jovial hare]

yeah but blizzard likes those classes

[sharp wyvern]

the thing where you trigger reap the storm when using sudden death

its a midnight feature

[jovial hare]

was

soon to be was

[rose ibex]

Classes that have more cohesive packages tend to get more love and its very easy to keep classes like warlock and mage cohesive

[sharp wyvern]

?

[warm fog]

This is absolutely true

[rose ibex]

Fury benefits from its aoe being its single target so one cannot be strong without the other being strong

[sharp wyvern]

the fuck do you mean arcane mage used to be the most convoluded spec

[warm fog]

Warrior doesn’t have nearly as clear a class identity and theme

[jovial hare]

32 step rotation was fun

[vapid spire]

We group up and riot in silvermoon

[rose ibex]

Arms is just random old crap taped together but its still more fun

But it is not cohesive

[wicked warren]

which is insane because warrior is supposed to be the most straightforward one

Big stick/2 sticks/shield stick

[slender sonnet]

make AM affect ravager

[minor gust]

Nope they released 12.05 notes with nothing for warrior meanwhile mages got their bad changes reverted

[warm fog]

Its lost its zug

[minor gust]

It's genuinely insulting at this point

[sharp wyvern]

the thing is they had good variations of arms
i think the hero talents are a bigger issue regarding this

[vapid spire]

Do you have a link ? I dont see anything

[sharp wyvern]

the ptr patch notes

[warm fog]

Colossus is bad and is a failure of a hero tree

[jovial hare]

I think having a lot of nothingburger talents across the board is the real issue

[worldly rivet]

"after seeing community and player feedback"

Kick in the nuts haha

[minor gust]

Pretty much

[slender sonnet]

With a decent tank who can stack adds, colo is fun

[jovial hare]

"after seeing feedback, we have decided to disregard it"

[vapid spire]

There's nothing about warriors in the patch notes

[sharp wyvern]

i actually think it fits arms pretty well

big hit big MS

[minor gust]

Our feedback means nothing to them

[warm fog]

Slayer and thane are great examples of good hero trees. They take an element of the spec and alter it in a way to give the hero spec a different spin

[slender sonnet]

I've been playing it a bunch recently and having fun

[jovial hare]

colossus is the arms inspired tree thi

[minor gust]

Colossus hero tree having nothing to do with Colossus smash

[jovial hare]

big smash, big ms

[rose ibex]

I see their changes this expansion as being sort of an attempt to add more cohesion to the arms tree. We're the "colossus smash and burst" dudes now

[sharp wyvern]

does no one have an issue that they made the bladestorm spec the ST one and the big single hit ramping one the AOE spec ?

[slender sonnet]

I reckon on some pulls I could hit 400k+ burst as colo

[worldly rivet]

I like Slayer AOE right now. I do wish ST was addressed.

[vapid spire]

One of my friend was telling me Arms was doing good because i had decent dps, i told him it was because they were bad and their classes can reach higher dps 😂

[slender sonnet]

yeah that's weird

[jovial hare]

bladestorm being a st ability just feels weird man

[worldly rivet]

It's like they're afraid to put more power into our spenders.

[warm fog]

Doing big numbers isn’t the same as being well designed

[rose ibex]

If you could even call it a single target spec...

[sharp wyvern]

even if it does less than a brewmaster its the ST spec

[minor gust]

Pretty much what I had to keep saying to my guild when I was topping every fight as arms when I spent the last month complaining about how it's the worst spec in the game right now

[shy dew]

bladestorm duration time is too much, its like a dps loss, i remember in DF and older expansions, we just bladestorm and blast, now feels like is missing something

[odd ledge]

on the slayer st in wowhead it recommmends cleave in the prio, but the talents doesnt have it. Should i use whirlwind instead then?

[hard mirage]

Anyone else thinks this whole situation with arms, is something like what they did with demo lock in wod?
I feel like they just don't want us to play arms and are nuding us out.

[jovial hare]

cutscenestorm

[sharp wyvern]

i was topping the overall in m0s but i couldnt beat tanks on ST
and pugs went "i thought arms was bad "

as if they didnt see the ST

[rose ibex]

I have seen arcane mage commit war crimes on the dps meter

[minor gust]

No if you don't have cleave talented then you ignore that line

[rose ibex]

I have a personal bias against mage scum. It goes all the way back to vanilla

[vapid spire]

Im almost min maxed with puzzlebox and stuff at 246, some random shaman with 215 ilvl beats me on a boss. Yeah sure arms is good rn

[odd ledge]

ty

[shy dew]

same, just could beat tanks where we had like 2 boss fight or smth

[vapid spire]

Time spent killing a mage is time well spent

[jovial hare]

personally
I like slayer way more than colo but colo always ends up pulling ahead in aoe
Colossus needs some more visual flair outside of demolish

[rose ibex]

All mages must die

[jovial hare]

based

[sharp wyvern]

at some point the tank pulled the boss with adds cause he thought im funneling

[odd ledge]

lmao

[slender sonnet]

I wanna take ravager off my talents

it feels so bad cause it desyncs perma

[rose ibex]

Its too powerful

[sharp wyvern]

i want passive ravager from prot

[slender sonnet]

I do like 300k damage on pulls without it

[jovial hare]

meanwhile my enh gets to fucking crank onto the boss with more targets instead of just hitting many

[sharp wyvern]

without unhinged on Collosus its the most useless thing ever

[quiet bramble]

man i love frost deekay

[shy dew]

colossus aoe isn't bad but ST is a mess

[quiet bramble]

i mean arms

[shy dew]

and demolish design is shit

[sharp wyvern]

i like demolish in theory

[rose ibex]

I feel like you need ravager for colossus. The cleave damage is insane with it

[sharp wyvern]

i wish they made it 1 hit and not 3 tho

[shy dew]

why dont make it like Hammer of Light in Ashes of Retri, make it imbued into colossus to don't desync

[slender sonnet]

the desync tho

[rose ibex]

This

It just needed to be a big nova slam of damage. Nothing fancy

[sharp wyvern]

i believe they only made it 3 hits to recycle the fyralath animation

[jovial hare]

I love when I press the funny big bonk button and my target warps onto my healer's totem
that's super cool

[slender sonnet]

ye

[shy dew]

stacks of demolish are bad, i mean like need to stack it its very awful

[vapid spire]

I want Fyr'alath use ability as a skill for Arms

[sharp wyvern]

imagine we could get a apex talent like MM hunters where demolish always crits when hitting 1 target

[vapid spire]

It was so good

[slender sonnet]

demolish

[odd ledge]

tbc slam

[slender sonnet]

cat smile

[jovial hare]

wait until you find out about demolish

[vapid spire]

Demolish but as a charge

[rose ibex]

What was it like i forget

[odd ledge]

it was great alot of ppl hated it

[slender sonnet]

oh yeah you'd move to your target right

[vapid spire]

Slam never felt good to use

[odd ledge]

i loved it

[slender sonnet]

with fyr

[vapid spire]

Yea

[odd ledge]

in tbc

[shy dew]

remove demolish stacks, make demolish imbued to colossus smash and make it like SV boomstick skill to be able cast while moving

[jovial hare]

slam never feels good to use cus it never gets hooked into the rotation beyond spend excess rage

[odd ledge]

@rose ibex it basically reset your swing timer, so you did it after a swing instantly into mortal and then swing into slam into whirlwind

[vapid spire]

Slam is a filler

[rose ibex]

I will never stop yapping that demolish should be like a dracthyr breath where you charge it and it gets bigger and hits harder the longer you charge it

[odd ledge]

sounds good

[vapid spire]

Our Apex isnt even that good, we need to crank it up before using

[rose ibex]

One big cone or nova of damage

[vapid spire]

I meant, Fyr'alath use ability, it was demolish mixed with a charge

[rose ibex]

Screw fyralath

It sucks

[odd ledge]

^

[rose ibex]

It feels awkward

[jovial hare]

finally, i can cosplay as Morgott from Elden Ring

[rose ibex]

It feels like you have to eat the buns before you get to eat the meat on your hamburger

[warm fog]

Arms mastery is still the funniest thing ever

[odd ledge]

sadly blizzard has that weird obsession with spells that do multiple hits in 1 press , it feels very off (enhancement shamn priomordial storm is the same)

[sharp wyvern]

hold up do you think they removed thunderous roar cause its too much of an evoker ability

[jovial hare]

arms mastery is a downgrade imo

[warm fog]

Even ChatGPT wouldn’t make it

[jovial hare]

not on paper but having to spend two talent points to get dw back is fuckin stupid

[rose ibex]

Primordial storm is at least not a channel and is snappy

Demolish being a channel is terrible design

[rose ibex]

And immobile channel

[odd ledge]

the fact its not a channel tho makes it weirder @rose ibex

[warm fog]

P storm fucks and is instant

[odd ledge]

1 instant press and you do a 3sec animation

[warm fog]

And visually impressive

[odd ledge]

its just weird

[jovial hare]

it also funnels cdr into totemic

it's just a good button

[odd ledge]

dont get me wrong i like the spell for what it does and looks

[rose ibex]

Its an uninterruptable channel

[odd ledge]

but its just odd

[rose ibex]

They cant fool me

[warm fog]

Cause it’s actually good

[shy dew]

i mean like, to they fix most things of arms its just revert to basics of DF

Deep wounds, mortal strike good, overpower good just that

[warm fog]

Arms needs some variation of WW mastery

[rose ibex]

Just because there's no cast bar doesnt mean it aint a channel

[jovial hare]

another thing

[warm fog]

Although that wouldn’t work with cleave spam

[rose ibex]

I can get stunned out of it for christ sake

[jovial hare]

why the FUCK doesn't wb hit your primary target hardwr

[odd ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/blademaster-warcraft3-wc3-gif-15191205

arms hero talent Blademaster

[sharp wyvern]

make mortal strike a charge ability like evokers have

[rose ibex]

It was so easy

[jovial hare]

I'm getting my mallet

[rose ibex]

We could have had mirror image

[odd ledge]

dont ...im getting sad again

[sharp wyvern]

and while you are at it make us be rooted while charging

[shy dew]

even other apex talents animations are pretty better than our, lol

[warm fog]

The only actual lore connection to a classic character

[jovial hare]

seriously
why does war breaker hit like a fucking wet noodle
it should hit your primary target harder

[minor gust]

Wouldn't do anything because CS is like ravager. Doesnt do any actual dmg. It just exists to apply the debuff

[shy dew]

i mean like feral have a mirror doing a unseen swipe, lock have a demon being summoned

[rose ibex]

Despite all my whining the class is still more fun than others

[jovial hare]

yeah that's my issue
it should tho

[umbral gyro]

100%

[sharp wyvern]

thats why we are all here

[odd ledge]

what do you guys think about a berserker stance thats basically like the voidform of devourer? which you maintain with rage

[rose ibex]

Im trying to decide on an alt. I got off work just dog tired and feral just wasnt it. Brain too slow for it

[shy dew]

https://giphy.com/gifs/avengers-hawkeye-dont-give-me-hope-Qy2VKY3xlI1QyR6Ix5

someone need to have hope

[sharp wyvern]

would that be the same thing as rapage extending your reck for fury

[rose ibex]

I aint gonna give you hope. Im keeping it all for myself

[jovial hare]

3 globals and we're depleted
arms doesn't have an explosive rage economy to support that

[sharp wyvern]

we also would need rage for that

and currently we dont have that

[rose ibex]

Its mine and you cant take it from me

[jovial hare]

mop arms could probably support something like that

[odd ledge]

or an ability that does more dmg the less rage we have

LOL

[jovial hare]

but we're so far from mop arms

[shy dew]

is a kinda funny like to them fix everything about our spec is just revert everything they did

[jovial hare]

yeah probably because blizzard doesn't understand that new doesn't mean better

[rose ibex]

I want something that helps us gen and something that helps us dump harder because execute just aint cutting it

[odd ledge]

execute hits like a noodle

its a shame

identity of warrior

[jovial hare]

solution: just make execute actually hit hard by itself

and tune modifiers for it down

[shy dew]

yeah, the name of skill is ''execute'' and hits like a plastic sword

[rose ibex]

The fact that everything in our kit seems to be focused on colossus smash and cleave kinda makes me feel it cannot stay this way forever

[jovial hare]

execute (critters)

[sharp wyvern]

imagine having the class with execute not do a lot of execute dmg cause we dont have rage

[rose ibex]

Like we dont really have anything to make single target happy

I could see them buffing execute, ms, and slam for pve

[odd ledge]

what if we would have that demolish thing with the stacks, but switch it to execute?

[austere solar]

A true warrior is gone today. RIP Chuck.

[rose ibex]

But nothing fancy

Just aura buffs

[sharp wyvern]

i hope they make this tierset a part of arms cause it would actually be realy cool gameplay wise
they made our apex synergize with it in a very cool way in my opinion

[jovial hare]

maybe some classes should actually get fully dedicated devs
i know class design is basically a basket where a group works on everything
but how are u supposed to build on what came before if you just come in and have your own vision that supercedes what came before it

[rose ibex]

Like I dont think they'll buff overpower because that would also buff our aoe

[rose ibex]

This is why classes with cohesive themes and packages get more love. Its just easier

Arms is just legacy wow mishmash

[odd ledge]

arms rework is overdue

^

[rose ibex]

Arms needs something akin to tbe combat>outlaw rework for rogues

[sharp wyvern]

at this point they might delete dreadnaught
they clearly dont want ST abilities do any kind of aoe

[jovial hare]

like my idea of what arms should be and what @minor gust thinks it should be are probably drastically different
it's just a bunch of people trying to build their own spec constantly, it feels like

[sharp wyvern]

thats every spec tho

[odd ledge]

ye

[minor gust]

I mean I've wanted CS to actually do dmg for a long time

[jovial hare]

lmao

[minor gust]

We had that chance when ravager and ava were gone

[jovial hare]

idk i feel like ravager would be a lot less hated if it also did a fuck pile of dmg

it's a fucking 1.5m cd

why does it do like 12k lmao

[sharp wyvern]

for col it used to give collosal might stacks

but onw that thats gone its useless

[jovial hare]

rip unhinged in spec tree

my beloved

[minor gust]

They brought back ravager in the worst form it could possibly be in

[rose ibex]

Because it makes cleave do a lot more damage

[minor gust]

Existing purely to buff like 6 cleaves

[sharp wyvern]

does it at leats generate rage

[jovial hare]

hear me out
cleave doesn't need more damage

[minor gust]

No ravager doesn't gen rage anymore

Big reason why it's so fucking bad

[sharp wyvern]

delete it

[warm fog]

arms basically not being pruned at all in midnight beta was the huge red flag

[rose ibex]

The buff is kind of insane on it and its one of the pillars keeping colossus alive I think

[jovial hare]

it was pruned

that's the thing

[minor gust]

0 rage gen for the opener

[sharp wyvern]

they pruned our dmg

[jovial hare]

they brought it all back lmfao

and gave avatar some shitty avoidance buff
that's why people press damage CDs
to take less dmg
right

[brazen laurel]

Am I cooked for saying we might see arms this tier?

[minor gust]

Can blame everyone who bitched about losing avatar

[umbral gyro]

I hope arms will get a bit of love. till then Iam going to twink it. Its sad that you wont get invites into groups cause of tier lists and cause of blizzard not giving arms anything...

[warm fog]

Honestly fury wasn’t really either

[jovial hare]

I mean if ur rl lets you play it

[sharp wyvern]

your levels of copium are lethal

[shy dew]

they just ''buff'' whole damage, they don't fix talents, don't bring back old good ones, dont create new ones, just buff it

[warm fog]

Adding Rend to fury lol

[minor gust]

Omg my root break is gone omg how is arms supposed to do dmg without avatar. Omg I can't grow slightly bigger and be gray!

[shy dew]

if they want to know what to do just interview someone like Critcake, Noxiv or Danwarr

[jovial hare]

but I basically got told despite being one of our best performers
I'm not allowed to be on a spec doing healer dmg

[shy dew]

or make it a post

[rose ibex]

Let mountain thanes play with their dumb avatar

[sharp wyvern]

you could however spec into collosus and get 5% more size

[rose ibex]

Remove it please and put ravager and bs back on am

[minor gust]

Shit RL

[jovial hare]

avatar should let you use execute for the entire duration and give 20% haste
and increase ur dmg in execute phase

[sharp wyvern]

but that would make us more bursty and we cant have that

[jovial hare]

if my fucking priest won't PI me I wanna do it myself

[rose ibex]

Priests dont pay attention to that. Press the button and let it rip

[shy dew]

and why don't make Avatar change his mechanic depending which hero talent u play, like avatar at colossus will become ''colossus'' and buffing demolish and others stuff, meanwhile slayer avatar ''the reaper'' or smth

would be pretty cool

[jovial hare]

lets start small

let me feel something when I press avatar

instead of giant rusted steel man

[rose ibex]

I just dont want dwarf shit in my non-dwarf hero class spec

[warm fog]

Warrior is not allowed to have burst

[rose ibex]

Warrior only has burst what you mean

Arms anyways

You press cs, you press avatar, you press cleave

Cleave

Cleave

[odd ledge]

arms always was non bursty in the past

[warm fog]

What if, and stay with me, there’s only one target

[rose ibex]

Burst done

[livid cloak]

wait until there is more than 1

[rose ibex]

You must be sad then

[warm fog]

This is arms after all

[restive ledge]

But I want to get down and SLAM

[rose ibex]

No you must whoosh

Whooooosh

[warm fog]

Whoever said arms needs to get the combat -> outlaw redesign treatment is spot on

[hardy viper]

The new mastery for arms is still 1.1% per mastery point right?

[sharp wyvern]

1.1% of what

[jovial hare]

1.1% of sadness

idk I'm not particularly sure if the scaling changed or mot

considering how lazy it is, prob not

[hardy viper]

how mastery stat works, cant find the % for the new one if is different

[sharp wyvern]

if you are talking about stat weights
no one uses those anymore cause they are inacurate

[rose ibex]

It doesnt have a theme. We're the old man spec

It wants to be a tauren chieftain and a blademaster at the same time but also whatever a vanilla warrior is

It sounds counter intuitive, but if you refine the class fantasy the rest will fall into place

It gives the devs something to work with

Direction

Because right now the most they have to work with is we have colossus smash

Its probably our most thematic ability but its just kinda floating there

[tight wing]

Samuro

[rose ibex]

I mean id love that

But pick a lane

Arms wants to be samuro but it also wants to be a lot of other generic warrior archtypes

And because of that it cant BE samuro blademaster

It just gets bladestorm

[tight wing]

Samuro and Cairne are the two we should be redesigned around, Samuro for slayer and Cairne for colossus

[rose ibex]

Agreed

1000 cuts and big truck smashes

But its also hard to force that with just hero talents

[sharp wyvern]

they need warriors to be canonically bad cause why would they keep dying

[tight wing]

And for thane (just to include all three hero’s) Muradin

[rose ibex]

And its hard to have both without dipping into eachother in a class tree and the abilities forced to be more generic

[rose ibex]

That's kinda the thing. Those are the warriors but they are all vastly different

[tight wing]

Idk they’ve been doing it with other classes, when they split the talent trees around themes for the class

Like UDK

[lyric hound]

[tight wing]

Left side plagues right side minions

[rose ibex]

Its definitely easier with more magicky types but we just hit things with weapons

They also hit things with weapons

What makes us so special ?

[tight wing]

We still have themes though

The 1000 cuts and the Tactical Strike

[slender sonnet]

anything to get invites

[tight wing]

I say lean into those, either hit really dang fast or really dang hard

[sharp wyvern]

hit fast is furys class fantasy

[tight wing]

Not in the same way though

[slender sonnet]

arms = big sword go brrr

[tight wing]

Fury is very much smash fast idk where hit just smash

[lyric hound]

i find nothing really wrong with arms current class fantasy, specifically col. it just needs to be rebalanced

[tight wing]

Arms has always been more tactical, our fast hits would be placed carefully in the places that would hinder/hurt the most

[sharp wyvern]

we used to complain about MS multipliers but now i wouldnt mind a few more to make it hit hard

opportunity strikes was also nice

[tight wing]

This is kinda what slayer leans into with SS and Reap

[sharp wyvern]

except reap just hits everything around us

and its getting paired with whirlwind

[rose ibex]

But its hard to make that look cool

[sharp wyvern]

so we are just gonna spin and hope for the best

[rose ibex]

So the fantasy suffers

[nova marsh]

Oh god that hurts me

[tight wing]

Not really, the SS already kinda has it, plus they have Samuro animations from HotS

[tight wing]

Ikr

[rose ibex]

Ss is boring

[tight wing]

But it fits

[sharp wyvern]

i disagree

i like ss

[tight wing]

Same

[sharp wyvern]

there are just not enough opportunities to make it good

when do you ever have a 2 target situation

only when you have a boss that spawns 1 prio add

[rose ibex]

Im not saying remove it but it needs more punch. More excitement. As a core ability it should have something attached to activating it

[sharp wyvern]

make it flurry strikes

[tight wing]

When there’s a ret pally in the group, cleave off of them xD

[sharp wyvern]

if sweeping strikes would allow MS and OP to hit in the same cone as cleave and be capped at 5 targets it would be more interesting

[rose ibex]

If we had mirror image, id say sweeping strikes could strike our image which caused an effect when it does or soemthing like that

[sharp wyvern]

it would allow us to have some aoe in ST builds

[tight wing]

Again Samuro lol

[sharp wyvern]

cant have that cause monk has it already

[rose ibex]

Its class fantasy cohesion

[tight wing]

Not anymore

[sharp wyvern]

realy?

[tight wing]

They removed it

Yeah

[sharp wyvern]

they gonna give it to us

im convinced

[tight wing]

They basically just thunder clap now -_-

[sharp wyvern]

so they still have clones ?

[tight wing]

No

[sharp wyvern]

nvm

[rose ibex]

Do they still have annoying animals?

[gentle gyro]

Not what we need honestly

[tight wing]

It got replaced by an ability called Zenith which does damage in a cone(?), gives 20% damage, and makes things cost 1 less chi

[tight wing]

Yes

[gentle gyro]

Laughing stock

[sharp wyvern]

thats good tho

[lyric hound]

its ok i won damage in the dungeon

[sharp wyvern]

if the entire commnity knows it it will get heard

[tight wing]

True

[sharp wyvern]

just like the fury stuff in TWW S1

[gentle gyro]

Nobody heard us in s3 tww

[sharp wyvern]

cause arms was padding on add bosses to much

so they looked fine on wclogs

[tight wing]

Kinda like now?

[sharp wyvern]

yep

well now its only 1 boss

lets just hope its not gonna be like fury on rashanaan cause that would be bad

[rose ibex]

Do we just play colossus on that boss?

[minor gust]

Because of paladins the only change arms will receive on today's tuning notes will be a cleave nerf

[rose ibex]

Like m+ build?

[tight wing]

Yeah lol

[rose ibex]

We getting a patch today?

[minor gust]

Yes paladins just play Colo M+

[sharp wyvern]

wdym today

[rose ibex]

Thats hilarious

[minor gust]

There's scheduled tuning every week for the next 3 weeks mate

[sharp wyvern]

on friday tho

[rose ibex]

I havent done raid yet. I need to put together a list of talent trees....

[sharp wyvern]

how do we know

[tight wing]

It is Friday..?

[minor gust]

The notes always come out before the weekend

[rose ibex]

Exciting

[sharp wyvern]

maybe im cooked cause i was sure those happen on mondays

[lyric hound]

i have a feeling we'll get a nerf to cleave and then thatll be it

[minor gust]

You're definitely cooked

[rose ibex]

They seem to want us to just cs and bs

[tight wing]

Nobody have hope, we won’t get any thing if we do

[minor gust]

The notes for 17th tuning came out last Friday as well

[sharp wyvern]

bad things always happen on mondays so maybe i just connected those 2

[minor gust]

[rose ibex]

There is always hope

Always

[sharp wyvern]

the delusion of hope

its called cope

[rose ibex]

Hope is always a delusion

You cant take it from me

[lyric hound]

cleave is actually cracked af lol. i just hope they rebalance the nerf into ST...but...idk I don't trust blizz at all with arms lol

[rose ibex]

Your cold logic doesn't work on me, witch

[tight wing]

Same

But without the hope

[sharp wyvern]

its crazy they would do this to arms after they had this in their reveal cinematic

[gentle gyro]

xd

[rose ibex]

Arm

[gentle gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-excited-groove-moves-gif-16779278

[tight wing]

Ar

[sharp wyvern]

hands

[rose ibex]

Toe

[slender sonnet]

buff arms

[sharp wyvern]

now show ST

[tight wing]

Yeah now show boss damage

[rose ibex]

Was the arcane mage asleep?

[slender sonnet]

No I blew every pack up before he could hit it

xD

[rose ibex]

This is the way

[minor gust]

Just M0 things

[slender sonnet]

I'm having so much fun tbh

[rose ibex]

Arms is fine in m0 but it feels weird that the whole class is just 'more and harder cleave'

[lyric hound]

this is the way, if youre quick enough you can murder everything before they can hit it lol

[slender sonnet]

real

they just need to make colossal might stacks last longer

it feels bad when you lose them during forced rp

[rose ibex]

I dont think colossal might or sweeping strikes should have a duration

Just stacks

[slender sonnet]

yeah

[tight wing]

Sweeping doesn’t does it?

[minor gust]

SS doesn't really have a duration

Technically it does but it's duration is the cooldown

[gentle gyro]

Unfortunate abbreviation

[rose ibex]

I thought it did..... like I remember looking at the tool tip and seeing 30s or something

[lyric hound]

this is why its a terrible button

[fiery zenith]

class discords never change, either top of the meter or endless whinging

[lyric hound]

they could literally just attach it to CS or cleave...if cleave hits 2+ targets gain sweeping strikes

[rose ibex]

class discords never change, either top of the meter or endless whinging

[bronze nest]

is there any swing timer addon or way to track it

[slender sonnet]

I'm both

[sharp wyvern]

unless your a mage and you whine while on top of the meters

[minor gust]

🪤

[fiery zenith]

"(insert class) is worse" ok man

[rose ibex]

I dont want to be top. I just want a little bump on our single target stuff

Slayer also feels nowhere near as good as colossus in dungeon

For numbers

[sharp wyvern]

cause its not supposed to

its a ST spec

[rose ibex]

And besides that I want a stronger more defined class fantasy

[bronze nest]

Also does it worth to have Rend up on sT?

[sharp wyvern]

why do you think even fury uses it

[rose ibex]

I dont wanna play fury :(

[vast helm]

where arms

[rose ibex]

Check shoulders

[vapid spire]

Look down

[vast helm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/laguarimba-search-searching-guarimba-lzoZZmTdEdZhhsuxL3

[vapid spire]

https://giphy.com/gifs/PudgyMemez-pudgy-pudgypenguins-penguins-xvRQ0ag9DhIffjs2wv

Join us in the dumpster

[toxic gale]

Arms isnt doing the S M A S H! its a little poke with a noodle

[uncut yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/paladin-eso-nameless-knight-knight-gif-11483325911537984746

If arms doesnt make you larp as this

the class designer has failed

and needs to lose their job

[fiery zenith]

You can't larp in a video game, someone losing their job because you are bad at rp is weird

[uncut yacht]

if you think I understood a word you said, you are delusional.
Warrior prioritizes strength over intelligence, int is useless to me

[boreal quartz]

I dont wanna larp being strong

I wanna actually be strong

[uncut yacht]

mage is that way

suffering builds character

[boreal quartz]

Suffering ends subscriptions

[summer niche]

https://klipy.com/gifs/armswarrior-warriorwow

https://tenor.com/view/big-ramy-bodybuilder-gif-20388240

[boreal quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/markus-ruhl-bodybuilder-bicep-gif-21316528

[summer niche]

Mark Rühl the legend

If he would play WoW

He‘d play Arms Warrior

[full furnace]

Did our opener change with the last changes, are we fishing for hero strike before cs or is it still avatar + cs on pull ?

[nova marsh]

To be fair

we could be healers

[minor gust]

Nothing changes with the new apex

[lyric hound]

thought this was swifty

[sharp wyvern]

Swifty before wow

[chilly wind]

In Aoe. Do I press Heroic Strike or only via cleave?

[rose ibex]

Better to just use it with cleave if you can

I think the talent also buffs the damage of it by 50%

[dire hinge]

i feel bad about the the cursed game of "spot the debuff" the healers are playing right now

[rose ibex]

Healing scares me

I healed in classic but things are more complicated now

[slender sonnet]

yeah its not fun

[stuck yacht]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[slender sonnet]

255 baybeeee

[sharp wyvern]

bruh you got that neck

[lone yarrow]

or a vulpera priest

[minor gust]

Upgrade that heart trinket

Also holy moly hero crafted wep spotted

[slender sonnet]

it is

its raid finder

[slender sonnet]

ya

[minor gust]

[lyric hound]

rating in solo shuffle is spec based now?

[sharp wyvern]

was it warbound?

[slender sonnet]

always has been I think

[slender sonnet]

yuh

[warm thistle]

I'm sorry but why does Execute hit less than slam?

[stray vessel]

its what the founding fathers wanted

[silk ice]

my best guess is there are too many things tied to it

[hushed topaz]

Execute and ms hit like wet noodles 🍜

[minor gust]

Ehhhhh wrong. It's just blizzard having no clue what to do!

[silk ice]

that also, arms design is all over the place

[warped spade]

Been that way since at least DF

[lyric hound]

oh word i mained ret for a long time and never swapped lol

[topaz python]

because execute right now serves only one purpose, to make MS hit something decent if it crits
imo 100k ms should be borderline 1 precision stack nocrit to make it feel good idk

but we get what we get

unholy was mid tier for 1 day and insta got giga buffed so its tier 1 melee again, a classic

[obsidian otter]

Its actaully crazy because Bloodbath hitting for 85k without using 3-4 GCDs t obuff it 😢 and even sometimes when you have 3 stacks for EP and 2 stacks of MP it your MS doesnt crit and it still does like 60k..

[topaz python]

not only that, bloodbath could reset its own CD and ITS A RAGE GEN

[stable fiber]

Execute bt hits for like 140k when ur thane

Shits crazy

[topaz python]

ik that fury is played differently, its gen spend spec, but holy cow how could a generator gcd hit for so much

[stable fiber]

Execute ms hits for 130k if you are lucky

[hushed topaz]

If they buff ms/exe we would be too op. They’re gonna have to nerf cleave to compensate imo

But I would take that trade every day of the week

[obsidian otter]

yeah the rng sucks with it. If they wanna keep it build MS up with EP and MP its total of 85% boost they should cut that in half. And just put half of it onto boosting MS by itself So your still gaining 40+% even if it doesnt crit. then leave the other 45% on the talents

[summer niche]

colossus or slayer in ST? does it really make a big difference

[obsidian otter]

id love to see them just get rid of MP and just bake that 15% into MS

[stable fiber]

Slayer

But realistically spec fury

Fury on every fight except paladins where you play colossus arms

[latent moss]

how

[stable fiber]

They gonna have to buff ms and exe by atleast 50% to be considered OP

[latent moss]

yep

[summer niche]

Im shit on fury

[summer niche]

St

[latent moss]

both are criminally undertuned

[stable fiber]

Hit target dummy for 20 mins and you win

Learn Learn learn

[obsidian otter]

if they give us back some of that 60% OP nerf and that 20% ms nerf we wouldnt be sitting to low on single target honestly they also nerfed execute so those 3 talents would be nice to get back up where they were in beta. Specially if they are removing reap from SD then OP needs to be stronger to make up that AOE loss for slayer

[warped spade]

How is execute hitting for almost twice as much as slam criminally undertuned?

I agree there's too many multipliers on MS but right now then main issue is general tuning. We probably need around 10% aura+ melee buff and 25% nerf to cleave

[stable fiber]

Lol

[obsidian otter]

I think slam is fine its a fill it already does less than everything as a fill should but I dont think MS/OP should be as low as they are when those are like our iconic abilities and used the most

[stable fiber]

10% aura buff on a 80k simming spec

We are so lost

They need to stop aura buffing us

[topaz python]

max i've seen on slayer is 110k ish

[warped spade]

88* and this raid is mostly not ST

[topaz python]

colo might do more, but colo st is fucking garbage

[obsidian otter]

we ready lol

[stable fiber]

That group owns

[obsidian otter]

so much damage you dont even need lust

stuff gonna die so fast

I got drums so will be good lol

[stable fiber]

The bosses will live for awhile

But the rest dies

[topaz python]

uhm
i mean
88k is full bis
demo lock in my static is dealing 95k on boss in 254 avg ilvl

with kinda shit stats

88k dps is patchwerk is in patchwerk sim by the way

[warped spade]

Why are you comparing sims for one to boss damage on another?

[topaz python]

if you like dealing half of your teammates damage before execute phase you're welcome here

[topaz python]

he sims for 80k, so?

i sim for 50k rn

we are similar in gear

[stable fiber]

I mean its pretty reasonable to compare specs

[topaz python]

this ^

[warped spade]

Sims to sims, yes. Unless I misunderstood he was comparing ST sims for arms to actual boss fight for the other.

[stable fiber]

Oh I see

[topaz python]

i mean

[warped spade]

Also maybe lock needs a nerf

[stable fiber]

Lock probably needs a slight st nerf but we also just need st buffs

[warped spade]

But this is an arms channel

[stable fiber]

88k is very low across the board

Especially in full bis

[topaz python]

they nerfed them already, still best class but the point is 88k in BEST GEAR possible is miserable compared to other classes, even more - you wont deal that much of a damage before you reach execute, because only on execute phase you can reliably get 2x exe precision to hit decent mortal strikes

and slam is dogshit

[stable fiber]

Wish execute did execute like damage

Although a lot of specs don't have much execute anymore it seems

Think they removed it from arcane which easily had the best execute phase in the game

[warped spade]

Btw I'll be highly and happily surprised if we get anything close to 10% aura.

[topaz python]

they should remove executioner's precision and make MS hit for 35-40% more and buff execute to to make spec stop being miserable for 70%~ of the fight

[stable fiber]

It would be funny if we got a 10% aura buff

If paladins ends up being hard I could see arms getting stacked on that boss

[topaz python]

we are handicapped so much because of the tier specifics and execute's precision, ngl i think it's even worse than juggernaut

[stable fiber]

Jugg was aight

It gave the spec a bit of flavor

[tacit sandal]

we need need push in ST to be really good in m+

[stable fiber]

Feels a bit soulless iykwim

[topaz python]

i hope they'll nerf cleave
its garbo seeing cleave crit for more damage than buffed mortal strike

[warped spade]

Hard disagree there. Ep is miles better than jugg and helps with creating a different rotation

MP might be the culprit here as Jet mentioned above

[topaz python]

i mean
what would change if you remove precision entirely?

nothing

execute phase would be the same

you would still use execute because you need to fill something between your ms strikes

[warped spade]

If execute is more damage you would just spam that

[topaz python]

current iteration makes colo literally unplayable in any singletarget scenario

[summer niche]

vaelgor and ezzorak ST or AOE talents?

[topaz python]

so dont make it hit more than MS and problem solved

[steep citrus]

SS talents

[wind hatch]

juggernaut was a complete rng nightmare

[topaz python]

isn't its rng nightmare right now also? :)

there like too many rng
rng crit for more rage from AA, rng proc of tactician to fill with free gcd, rng proc of HS on top of that
and we have executioner's precision which is rng proc outside of execute phase too, though it's better on slayer cuz of guaranteed procs through proccing (yet again) 3x15% slayer's strikes
so we have like 4 rng sources right now just to make sure that rotation is fluid enough to not make everyone use arms warrior guide from legion

[stray vessel]

still think sweeping strike should be off gcd

[tropic crest]

Boh spec doesn’t feel rng at all

[tropic crest]

^

[obsidian otter]

as slayer we keep it up 100% might as well just make us always cleave 2 targets without needing to reapply it

[topaz python]

i can assure you that i had an entire avatara cooldown phase without getting a single sudden death proc from slayer, thus got it only once

its pretty common that bladestorm wont come off cd when you have avatara available

[stray vessel]

yea reason it shouldnt be on gcd would make the class feel more fluid not having to use a gcd on a buff

[obsidian otter]

not being on GCD it would feel like using CS and it applies already like the talent.

so it would feel good lol

[stray vessel]

hopefully they do it

[full furnace]

slayer or colossus for the lightblinded vanguard ?

[wind hatch]

colossus

[wind hatch]

yeah and juggernaut would just make it worse

[topaz python]

i didnt say return it
i said that current iteration is even worse

[umbral badger]

if anything, rng in this expansion is much less than RNG in previous expansion

but the RNG we had previous expansion was about getting more procs that we lost access too without compensation

and hey peeps

we lost so much RNG procs that gave us a lot of dmg with zero compensation

[topaz python]

i'm okay with gameplay reliant on procs
what i'm not okay with is that you desperately need a good secuence of random procs to at least feel that you've hit for decent amount of damage

[lone yarrow]

nah man you don't talk shit about juggernaut and executes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMqvb8QiUk

[umbral badger]

yes but it's not like that changed a lot from prev expansion

[lone yarrow]

remember where we stood

[minor gust]

It's not executioner stacks fault execute is tuned poorly

It's just blizzard doing a bad job at tuning.

[umbral badger]

we just have less dependency on RNG procs now but again, no compensation.

[minor gust]

Brother that's a fury warrior not arms get that shit outta here

[lone yarrow]

point still stands like we didn't do this shit as arms in legion LUL

[topaz python]

you know what funny about that video?

its not related to a conversation
because is fury footage

[topaz python]

those stacks are reason why ms is hitting for 30k despite being 30 rage cost and having a cooldown on top of that

[minor gust]

It's just clueless blizzard tuning it's not that deep

They nuked every button and then buffed cleave massively when it was already strong

[topaz python]

how could you say that
we are shit nealy each start of expansion
this is intended ngl

[minor gust]

Just not true at all lmao

[topaz python]

tell me one expansion when arms was good past pandaria at the start of the expansion?

dunno about DF, i skipped that

[minor gust]

Last one lmao TWW arms was not shit at all

In s1

[sharp wyvern]

DF arms was good too

[minor gust]

Tbf it wasn't until the .5 patch of DF s1 till it was good

Start of DF was pretty rough

[sharp wyvern]

nah i actually liked arms before that patch

[minor gust]

Sure but like at numbers are different

[sharp wyvern]

the .5 patch gave us ignore pain as a dps button

[minor gust]

From what I remember the numbers were pretty bad at the start of DF

[sharp wyvern]

i was talking about gameplay