arms

[rose ibex]

Nice try

Blizzard doesnt think

[worldly rivet]

they hand a round table on reap the storm apparently.

[rose ibex]

What really?

[worldly rivet]

ha idk but if they're nerfing it then probably

[rose ibex]

Ngl game design is very difficult

And I wonder what their goals are for the 12.05 changes

[minor gust]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision-arms-feedback/2270878
Daily 12.05 #saveslayer forum post. We havent gotten any new comments today we cant stop now!

[rose ibex]

Because they must have some idea or vision on what they are for

[fresh spire]

the vision : fuck warrior

[rose ibex]

If they force me to play colossus then I will but the single target must be addressed

As far as I have seen, everyone hates the 12.05 changes

[worldly rivet]

the compensation buff is very lazy.

[candid pecan]

goddamn colossus is fun on paladins boss

[minor gust]

Everyone should hate it when they remove the very thing that made slayer feel good to play in all content

[candid pecan]

literally just buff MS/OP/Exe, arms could be sooo great

[latent moss]

slayer isnt much better on st

[warm fog]

Imagine mortal strike hitting hard

[worldly rivet]

SS has to be the easiest ability to tune around

[olive nest]

Lower cleave damage and increase ms/exe/cs/demolish

[warm fog]

No that would create a balanced and playable spec

[shadow ibex]

Colossus aoe is brain numbing

[warm fog]

Much better to alter core gameplay loops in random ways

[rose ibex]

Oh thats not what im saying. Im saying if slayer just becomes unfun

I can at least clap my hands to random big demolish crits

I swap back and forth on the specs a lot because my brain is broken

[latent moss]

i might have more bad news

(demolish is kinda weak)

[olive nest]

Is vanguard arms really just cleave spam?

[elder path]

Correct

[stray vessel]

should take alot of cds off of the gcd for arms feels like their is a shit ton of build up for aoe

[rose ibex]

Arms in general is just cleave spam

[stray vessel]

ye

[rose ibex]

But it has other buttons to fill the gap between cleaves or enable even more cleaves

[stray vessel]

like SS should be taken off the gcd

[chilly wind]

So next Week big arms buff and we meta right?

[stray vessel]

nono they buffing UH

[warm fog]

Arms is what happens when you keep half assedly iterating instead of just rebuilding

[rose ibex]

Avatar is off the gcd

[tacit crow]

Demolish should be closer to Earthquake Slam from Path of Exile imo. Gimme an ancestrally boosted mega slam or something not this recycled off-brand Shadowmourne on-use

[stray vessel]

yeee i was about to remove it got to thinking lmfao

[rose ibex]

Yeah I agree, or supercharge slam from poe2 with empower mechanics

[tacit crow]

That would be dope as hell

[rose ibex]

Just a big truck of nova damage

[warm fog]

Yeah but then it’s just CS

[rose ibex]

With increasing range as you charge it make positioning easier for something that makes you stand still

[chilly wind]

Ss of cd. Remove avatar, buff ms, big shockwaves with overpower like in bfa, remove slam, and buff execute and let the fools dare to drop below 20 percent life

And bloodlust while we Are at it

[stray vessel]

i enjoyed Mop arms not the amount of fkin buttons but it was fun

[tacit crow]

Could also make it work like the old off-GCD rage spender where you can empower your next CS to be bigger. It is called Colossus after all so having no interaction between it and CS seems like a missed opportunity. Would probably be too strong with Anger Management but it would be nice instead of double channelled DPS ability for our Hero Talents.

[rose ibex]

Demolish as it is is super awkward

And it was even worse on release in tww

Thing you were targetting would die and it would just cancel

[icy mulch]

I'd like to see them fix CS sweep and regular Sweep not over-ride each other.

[tacit crow]

yeah I remember that King and that would be nice Osa

had a lot of trouble overwriting muscle memory of slamming ss and CS together

still mess it up at times

[icy mulch]

This expac has been rather a miss for me. I find myself playing anything else these days.

[spark harbor]

Ayyy needed to transfer all my toons and we just got 30% off all services sale

Pog

[stray vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/live-reaction-rhino-warframe-reapercord-kings-dark-tidings-saga-by-kel-kade-gif-27294051

[rose ibex]

Ive been loving this expansion

But ive also been enjoying levelling lots of different characters and trying out all the changes

[dire hinge]

Gearing alts has been refreshingly easier

[rose ibex]

Yeah and I think this expansion will be even more alt friendly in the future. Once you get 4 set on one character, it makes it much easier to get 4 set on others

[dire hinge]

My second, third, and fourth arms warrior are gonna be livin the dream

[obsidian otter]

they living it lol

dont mind the rogue hes not there

I couldnt play sub no more.. its just to mind numbing to me

[limber dirge]

How are you guys tracking your HS procs? I didn't see a way to add it on to the blizz CDM so I'm trying to get something better than a side-eye.

[hasty pumice]

I feel like you enjoy a particular transmog

but maybe it's just coincidence

[obsidian otter]

I have a color palet i like lol

that is true

[hasty pumice]

i always find myself transmogging to nice blue combinations

I understand

thats why I like naxx T3 a lot, the new voidbreaker set, that lightblue shop set

blue + a nice fit goes hard imo

[obsidian otter]

I had my human in blue mog alliance theme but hes in guild called horde empire.. soo..

[dire hinge]

Unfortunately there isn’t a great option.

You can use a [known] macro and put it on a different action bar, but it’s not a traceable buff

[hasty pumice]

yeah

[dire hinge]

Some folks have a macro that swaps their MS to HS as well, but it’s a small DPS loss to do this technically

[hasty pumice]

also the void theme in general is sick af, big fan of the dimensius mount, this mount etc

void = pog

[obsidian otter]

yeah i like the mount hate how my orc fits in it lol

wish it closed at the top

[rose ibex]

Badass man

[minor gust]

you just track slam which tracks HS

[hasty pumice]

looks fine as nelf

show me what it looks like with the orc

[rose ibex]

The rogue is their squire

[obsidian otter]

😂

[rose ibex]

I am using a macro that turns overpower into hs whenever it's up so I barely think bout it at all

[limber dirge]

Ah ok, that makes sense. I was only searching for a proc or HS and saw nothing.

[rose ibex]

Only time i need to think about it is in multi target where cleave auto slams

[limber dirge]

And yeah I saw the macro but I prefer to play responsively unless no other choice. I didn't want to have to do some weird action bar editing is all.

[minor gust]

I personally dont see the point in the macro

[fiery lynx]

hi isn't arms one of the slowest melee specs? in terms of apm

[dire hinge]

Yeah, basically just visibility

[warm fog]

It’s slow but it’s more complex than a lot of melee now

[rose ibex]

I started using it because my slam is a shift + mouse button, I despise it so

[minor gust]

that sounds pretty silly

[rose ibex]

It is very silly. Some buttons are unoptimal but im just used to it so I dont want to change

[dire hinge]

It’s lower, but not the lowest I believe. Arms usually had a button to press every GCD. Right now some downtime exists while we are missing ilvl and stats (mostly haste)

[limber dirge]

I was an outlaw player and arms feels the most similar to that now. Rogue gutted so hard that 2/3rds of my action bars are empty; war bars didn't change much.

[dire hinge]

Arms has more buttons now than last expansion lol

[rose ibex]

Is there a minimum recommended amount of haste?

[dire hinge]

No, we don’t have breakpoints, just sim as you go.

[rose ibex]

My sv hunter deeply misses explosive shot and kill shot

[rose ibex]

I put da crit and haste on the things

I put the things on me

Hit stuff

[dire hinge]

Basically yeah

[limber dirge]

I'm just not for this idea that every spec should only be 3-4 buttons play 90% the same as the next. Less homogenization the better.

[slow saddle]

Uhdk is slower

[rose ibex]

I trust sims but I will never use a trinket that feels bad

[slow saddle]

Frost is slower

[rose ibex]

Stupid puzzle box

Stupid vessel

[dire hinge]

Mmmm Puzzlebox.

[rose ibex]

I do not play warrior to solve rubix cubes

[obsidian otter]

I think 5-6 buttons for dps skills is fine number

[dire hinge]

You just precast it, it’s really strong

[rose ibex]

Thinking less makes me stronger

[dire hinge]

You used to be able to just channel it while Bladestorm , but such is life

[rose ibex]

I hear the optimal way is to use it while charging

Which is cool but I still hate it

[limber dirge]

I just like variety; easier classes, easier specs, and the opposite being available. Bloat isn't good either but I don't like built in gaming ASMR.

Also I'm guessing there's no way to track good Spell reflect situations anymore either?

[hot meteor]

how easy is arms colossus on a scale 1-10

[rose ibex]

I got this thing from a delve map and it doesnt sim good but the stats it can randomly grant are pretty nuts

So im tempted to try it

Like 300 main stat randomly for 30s

Or maybe closer to 240

But still crazy.... but its like a 1 in 3 chance of one of the buffs

The cooldown on it is very short tho. Like 5s between 30s buffs

[limber dirge]

I have it too but it seems like shit so far.

[rose ibex]

Its my only hero item...

[vapid spire]

How do you get 4 spark to craft a 2h ?

[limber dirge]

Same 😔 🔫

[rose ibex]

I also have that renoun trinket and the crit one you get from bird town so I probably should just use those

[rose ibex]

Can we only get 1 hero weapon a week from delves?

[limber dirge]

Yeah with the map.

[rose ibex]

Ahhh I will save my keys then

[limber dirge]

Probably going to just need to craft and then recraft with higher crests later.

[rose ibex]

Im still using adventurer pants

They disgust me

[wispy perch]

Dumb question here guys - are you supposed to be able to replicate the results of a Quick Sim from RaidBots on a training dummy?

[limber dirge]

Not exactly; you aren't a perfect robot and you aren't likely going to have a full slew of raid buffs and consumables.

[wispy perch]

Ah, ok good point. Thank you!

[rose ibex]

Hmmm portal room qna coming up

We should suggest talking about the 12.05 slayer changes

[minor gust]

Unsolicited no context purely for discord bait overall screenshot clearly deserving of nerfs next week

[stuck pebble]

Somebody validate my cope right now

Arms in raid kinda yikes rn?

[minor gust]

yeah if the only boss is paladins

[limber dirge]

There's a couple fights that are fun, but once people get gear and instant kill adds it's going to be a mega yikes.

[rare kite]

yes but paladins make it seem ok on statistics. so i'm scared it won't see any tuning

[minor gust]

100% whats gonna happen btw

[warm fog]

They do a melee cleave boss fight like every 3rd raid tier

Sorry we can’t buff arms, we don’t want to see 3x arms warriors on paladins boss in RWF

[hoary palm]

Arms buffs when

[candid pecan]

yeah true, tired of spamming BT

[hoary palm]

Castle Nathria all over again

Our abilities heal the boss because of one cleave boss

Design team had 6 years to come up with a solution

[steep osprey]

Do you think Blizzard doesn't look at boss damage?

They take that into consideration too

If someone's doing dogshit boss damage, they're most likely getting buffed

[rose ibex]

All good things to bring up for the qna

#announcements message

[candid pecan]

I mean...dont nerf St 3 times and buff aoe, and then buff everything..

that is all

and now nerf aoe and buff st please

[hoary palm]

What if they made Mortal Strike and Execute actually hit hard

Give me a paycheck Blizz I solved Arms Warrior

[candid pecan]

but then again, mythic raid/m+ is not out yet

never say never

[warm fog]

Unnecessarily nerfs a low performing spec, gives it a modest buff but it’s still bad: look we have tried everything!

[wicked warren]

I LOVE ARMS I LOVE ARMS I LOVE ARMS

[shy oyster]

hehe

[lyric hound]

Guys I’m scared they are gonna nerf us

[untold trench]

They should

[lyric hound]

[fervent cedar]

One boss is all it takes

Cleave nerfed by 20%

[lyric hound]

If they give it back to us as a 30% st buff cool

[untold trench]

I mean, m+ mass AoE is going crazy

Could get a nifty little nip in the but

[fervent cedar]

Yeah fuck it arms aoe too strong

Nerf arms

[lyric hound]

I geniunely can’t feel anything but a nerf. They can’t aura us with the aoe like this lol. So either nerf or nothing which both suck ass

[vapid spire]

They hotfixed Unholy DK but we dont get shit

What the hell man

[flint cedar]

lol what the hell?

[gaunt owl]

nothing to fix when everything work perfectly fine

[gaunt owl]

you cant be disappointed

if you are already shit and dont expect much

turn off the brain and Zug zug

thinking isnt our way

[rose ibex]

Imagine requesting patch notes when you cant even read 😏

[vapid spire]

Ikr, i dont wanna read but i wanna do damage

[gaunt owl]

Reading is an overrated skill anyway

[dire hinge]

Then dont read your meters

Two birds with one stone

[vapid spire]

But but

BIG NUMBERS

[gaunt owl]

you can do dmg

you just limit yourself by having brain

[dire hinge]

Adjust your Details to only show one person, then configure it to always show yourself

You’re now top damage

[astral yarrow]

also have to remove the placement number

[nova marsh]

Wait hold up

[rose ibex]

Genius....

This would be a great tip if I could read what it was

[nova marsh]

Just ignore the number

[umbral badger]

great news guys, i decided to fury a little bit to be more useful in raid and now i am in an episode of extreme self loathing

[inner wasp]

join us

the historically better spec

[umbral badger]

anyone who ever said both fury and arms are 2 specs of the same class "so you should just switch" has no clue how different they are xd

fury gave me trauma

[nova marsh]

Yeah

[cyan oriole]

whats the verdict on this thing? it doesnt show up in any bis lists but it's simming really well but i heard the sims for it were bugged?

[rose ibex]

Come back to us

Don't do it

You either do damage or you contribute to bad damage numbers for blizzard's statistics

Its win win

[rose ibex]

I dont know but I got that thing too. I think it actually gives crazy stat boosts but its random which one you get

Like its a 1/3 chance to give over 200 main stat for 30s. The cd on the proc is 5s between buffs I think....

The other bonuses are different secondaries I think

[nova marsh]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-12-0-5-ptr-development-notes-for-march-19th-class-changes-and-new-demon-380874 Oh

Oh no

[tight wing]

no war changes

[nova marsh]

Before you look, no warr isnt in here

Also they mislabeled the udk change as frost

I never clicked so fast to be dissapointed

[jolly lily]

bro..

i was really looking forward to it

[rose ibex]

Amazing

[topaz python]

[minor gust]

Bro

Bro

Bruh

[rose ibex]

@minor gust #arms message

The bad slayer changes are gone!

This is a great victory

[nova marsh]

I wish

[minor gust]

No way they do a set of 12.05 notes and we are ignored

Like not real

[rose ibex]

Let's be happy they removed the slayer nerfs

[minor gust]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

[rose ibex]

And the cleave nerfs

[sharp wyvern]

what else is new

[minor gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1481991857369255996/GIF_20260313_122512_444.gif

[halcyon valve]

Another round of nothing

[wild lion]

What i miss friends? They nerfed arms?

[sharp wyvern]

i stopped counting the amount of times warrior isnt even mentioned in patch notes

[rose ibex]

12.05 changes reverted

[minor gust]

Well there goes my desire to advertise that forum thread

[rose ibex]

Great success!

[wild lion]

The 15% damage increase was reverted?

[rose ibex]

The 12.05 changes

[rapid bronze]

We have no idea lol until there’s a master list

[rose ibex]

Where they remove deep wounds from cleave and ruin slayer

[rapid bronze]

They didn’t say it negates the previous ones

[rose ibex]

Oh

[wild lion]

Pls dont reddit me. Is 12.05 the patch that came out tuesday?

[rapid bronze]

No

[rose ibex]

Nah

[tight wing]

no

[rapid bronze]

Nuh uh

[misty bridge]

Maybe?

who knows

[soft dew]

They really don't give a fuck about warrior, that's so sad

[wild lion]

I just started the game again this week. Told myself i would still play arms no matter what

[soft dew]

I would've expected them to change their minds with the feedback provided

[minor gust]

They only listen to the most popular forum thread the mages

[rapid bronze]

It’d be weird if they reverted the change without bothering to put it in the development notes because literally in the same post they are talking about changes that they are canceling

[minor gust]

Ignore the 2nd biggest thread of arms warriors crying out how awful the changes were

[rapid bronze]

Then again maybe they just forgot lmao

[wild lion]

They should just copypaste mop arms into midnight

[jolly lily]

or legion

[soft dew]

Would be nice if any other spell than Cleave did damage for Arms

[sharp wyvern]

i dont think any of us expected for them to revert the changes but at least mention SOMETHING

[rapid bronze]

Though rogues seem to be doing ok

[rose ibex]

I still have hope

[sharp wyvern]

guys arms is fine tho it only does 95% of its dps in a dungeon on aoe but the overall is fine
also its good on 1 boss so no balancing needed

[jolly lily]

im doing really well in m0s, cleave nerf inc?

[soft dew]

They've completely ignore Assassination, but yes Outlaw is in a good spot

[soft dew]

Stop doing too well please

[jolly lily]

will use a one handed weapon

[rose ibex]

If I can't read, then I can't read damage meters and I can never know there's something wrong

[sharp wyvern]

im nr 1 on overall in dungeons but get out dpsed by brewmasters on ST

[summer niche]

Cleave will get nerfed and I can already smell it because we are on par with others in AOE

[sharp wyvern]

perfectly fine spec

[soft dew]

That's the fun part

[finite wasp]

aoe is actually pretty good

[rose ibex]

If cleave is nerfed its over

[soft dew]

Arms spec renamed Cleave spec

[rose ibex]

Cleave is a load bearing pillar

[sharp wyvern]

they gonna make us use whirlwind isntead

[soft dew]

They're going to nerf cleave to bring other spells closer

[sharp wyvern]

maybe they gonna nerf dreadnaught again

[wild lion]

Has anyone tried pure mastery and crit for arms?

[rapid bronze]

I still can’t believe the cleave icon isn’t a parrot

[summer niche]

Cleave actually feels like a ARMS ability rn and I love it in aoe

[sharp wyvern]

ask pvp players cause thats not a pve thing

[tight wing]

I'm about even for Crit mast, not that great, I'm 250 and sim for ~50k ST

[wild lion]

Its not a pvp thing either

[languid torrent]

Yea i love cleave WAY more then whirlwind. But why does MS suck

[rapid bronze]

We haven’t been using crit in PvP for 3 seasons

[wild lion]

Is the mastery scaling just poo? Cuz flat damage seems good

[summer niche]

If they nerf cleave then atleast give us another 15% dps buff

For now lets enjoy it

[tight wing]

tbh I would rather nothing happen than get nerfed

[summer niche]

Because I hope they will ignore us like they did before(like forever)

[soft dew]

Yeah we would rather be bad than be useless

[hard mirage]

Any news/rumors on more arms buff?

[jolly lily]

i would take cleave nerf for MS and execute buffs
but not less than 30%

[languid torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/keku-kekwpoint-kekw-point-and-laugh-etu-gif-3100393326123539419

good one

[eternal edge]

new patch notes, should we hope that they don't make that reap the storm thing?

[minor gust]

Nothing for us move a long

[deft kraken]

They didn’t mention warriors.

[languid torrent]

Why cant execute be like wod execute

[summer niche]

Nah the 1 developer thats not AI working on this game doesnt really care about us

[deft kraken]

Meanwhile:

[vapid spire]

MS in single target : around 50-60k
Cleave in single target : 60-70k (???)

[wild lion]

How accurate is simming compared to sitting on a target dummy for 5 mins

[wind hatch]

no warrior notes

[languid torrent]

Dummies are like almost always bugged

[tight wing]

lmc

[minor gust]

so fucking insulting

[languid torrent]

The last like 3 xpacs they've been bugged

[rose ibex]

Thats bullshit

[languid torrent]

And trusting blizzards damage meters is a huge ask

[sharp wyvern]

clearly didnt get enough upvotes

[mortal rivet]

Why does blizzard have warriors 🙁

[summer niche]

Idk

[minor gust]

actually so mad to see this

[summer niche]

To make fun of the players that play it

[minor gust]

What about our feedback????????????????

[eternal edge]

WTF THEY DID IT AND NOT OURS

[sharp wyvern]

our feed back got overruled by the arms dev

[mortal rivet]

Like we gave so much feedback

[wild lion]

Wow lol

[sharp wyvern]

whoever that imaginary being might be

[mortal rivet]

And it was just ignored

[summer niche]

They love not giving love to us

[eternal edge]

wait

[wild lion]

Is there a dev for each spec?

[eternal edge]

datamined PTR classes changes just dropped

[sharp wyvern]

nothing

just the aura buffs

[warm fog]

Mages cry: immediate change reverted
Paladins cry: immediate change reverted
UDK bad for 24 hours: emergency buffs and a full blue post dedicated to them
Arms:…

[minor gust]

We actually just got completely ignored

[summer niche]

Nope

[minor gust]

and the Frost mages get their changes reverted

[eternal edge]

Frozen look that datamined changes

[wild lion]

They probably dont understand why people want to play warriors

[ripe oxide]

how is that supposed to not feel malicious atp

[sharp wyvern]

there is nothing new

[quasi comet]

why did I pick this god forsaken class when I first started playing

[sharp wyvern]

they just added the aura buffs from this patch to the PTR

[eternal edge]

wait it's like they just add live patch through ptr patch -_-

god damn it

[minor gust]

thats nothing new just buffs from live going to ptr

[eternal edge]

we're ignored fr

[sharp wyvern]

thats why it was a datamined thing without bluepost

those changes already are known

[obsidian echo]

?!?!?

Nerfing Reap the Storm?!

[tight wing]

old news

[sharp wyvern]

weve been upset for weeks now

[elder path]

just so you know we are at war with iran btw

[summer niche]

*months/years 🙂

[sharp wyvern]

DF was fine

[obsidian echo]

Who is we lil bro

[summer niche]

Thats still years.

[inner terrace]

Is there a way to track heroic strike proc with CD manager (I am stupid as CD manager still)

[sharp wyvern]

true

[tight wing]

30K on dummies, though I did More like 45k when in actual raid with my guild so

[glass compass]

yeah tracking slam will do it

[minor gust]

Like only two specs are providing feedback right now Warriors and Frost mages. Then they only listen to mages

[summer niche]

Ye raid buffs etc.

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-hiromi-hiromi-higuruma-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-gif-3977056725828219167

[wild lion]

Thats badass you tested that. Respect

[inner terrace]

Was moreso wondering if you could track it as a buff bleh

[sharp wyvern]

looks like we need twice the amount of upvotes

[summer niche]

Looks like

[wild lion]

Anyone else kind of like it when warriors are bad? Like we're outcasts that are too cool for society but still somehow make it work

[summer niche]

We should just stop playing warriors.

[wild lion]

Neverrrr

[summer niche]

Ye never

I could never be a ga.. pala

[ripe oxide]

made the title too long, supposed to just say "Arms warrior feedback" so they know what youre talking about

[sharp wyvern]

remember when people started to make a fanfic on how to fix arms

how did that work out

[quasi comet]

i write fan fic about warriors

[wild lion]

I will stack only vers and mastery. I bet thats the secret sauce

[quasi comet]

any warrior I see in a hub city I starting drawing my OC kissing them

[minor gust]

ah your right Blizz devs cant read so they get lost half way through reading the title

[ripe oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-of-course-ohhhh-oh-that-makes-sense-gif-11896286840118452668

[sharp wyvern]

maybe they have a bot that sends feedback back to devs after a certain amount of upvotes

and we just dont have enough warriors to do that

[fresh spire]

keep trying to push it

[summer niche]

Just write: Zug Warrior Zug

[summer niche]

They will understand that

[ripe oxide]

"why no zug on zug class?"

[summer niche]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

[sharp wyvern]

ngl i think he has a point

[minor gust]

Yeah I can see it

[summer niche]

Thats legit the perfect title holy shit

[sharp wyvern]

we ARE talking about the warrior dev

[untold trench]

I mean, shouldnt you try a new strat by now?

Try to get nerfed instead

[minor gust]

I dont post shit on the forums so idk what title to write

and I didnt notice every other spec is just labled Spec + feedback

[summer niche]

That will work instantly

[umbral gyro]

Is it okay to switch from Unholy to Arms if I enjoy Arms more, or is it just dumb?

[shy dew]

do we have one? i thought he was fired at DF

[unborn canyon]

run from arms

[summer niche]

Become a warrior and leave everything behind you SON

[sharp wyvern]

we like to believe there is one

[unborn canyon]

its blighted rn

[ripe oxide]

use legs to get away from arms

[sharp wyvern]

ive never seen the ret dev and warr dev in the same room

[summer niche]

We are the only testesterone filled clss in the game

[untold trench]

Its dumb

By the time you master unholy, arms will be buffed or content so irrelevant that you didnt gain anything

Oh, from unholy to arms

Ye do that

[umbral gyro]

Yea 🤣🤣🤣

[shy dew]

retri ofc they have a dev lol

[untold trench]

Vibe game away

[shy dew]

less than 1 week bad and they got 30% buff

[sharp wyvern]

"bad"

[summer niche]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-siren-dawg-with-the-light-on-him-sailorzoop-dog-gif-2844905554045249724

[minor gust]

[sharp wyvern]

saved

this will wake them up

[ripe oxide]

unironically saved us

[tight wing]

build after I adjusted ended at 37.5k on dummies

[summer niche]

Why zug class not zug?

[ripe oxide]

they started working on it just now

[summer niche]

Hmm

[sharp wyvern]

best thing is it starts with A so its gonna be on top

[summer niche]

AAAAArms Warrior Feedback

[sharp wyvern]

they might accidentally click on it thinking it was talking about arcane

those are good odds

[summer niche]

[dire hinge]

Armcane Feedback

[tight wing]

Armcane Magior

[summer niche]

Good night guys…wake me up when we‘re buffed another 30%

[rose ibex]

I dig the tmogs. I want to look like a wizard

[tight wing]

lol

[rose ibex]

And trick people

[wild lion]

Thats just based and cool of you wym

[tight wing]

fr

[ripe oxide]

homies gonna be comatose

[summer niche]

[rose ibex]

Please teach me the ways of Armcane Mage

[topaz python]

the best feedback is that HC Averzian has 81 parces overall with Arms

[dire hinge]

🙅‍♂️ Closing down the discord
Sleeping until its fixed

[minor gust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[topaz python]

even assa rogue has 160 parses

[summer niche]

[ripe oxide]

even in our dreams arms sucks

we wake up once it starts doing good

[wild lion]

Soon my brothers and sisters

[ripe oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/hl2-hl3-half-life-3-hopium-hope-gif-7246120153840726923

[wild lion]

I never though i would be playing retail again but here i am. Anything is possible. Manifesting a buff soon

[umbral gyro]

I’m not sure if I should switch because of the DPS difference

[umbral badger]

ofc, it's hte only thing that still does dmg

[marble furnace]

looking for our breathen

[tight wing]

you'll be there a while xD

[umbral badger]

all i can say is that because mastery became trash for arms and vers is trash anyway if that trinket grants a random stat overall then getting mastery or vers will be very bad

[wild lion]

Well i dont think anyone in this chat is here cuz they are trying to be top dps

No one has explained how mastery is bad

[dire hinge]

[umbral badger]

look how fancy they are when they talk about the popular boys it's like they treat them as if they pay more tax than us 🤣

[umbral badger]

there is nothing to explain about mastery, it just has low values per rating and does not bring any special synergy to the spec

[wild lion]

We need arms warrior thirst traps so blizz will buff us

[umbral badger]

hey, i mean i've been saying it a while in this channel :p paladins protest they get buffs, dks protest they get buffs .... warriors are the only ones who don't protest 😄

[shy dew]

we did

[minor gust]

We protested

we legit did

[shy dew]

had like a post in wowhead and 1 in bluepost

[minor gust]

still ignored

[umbral badger]

oh when

[wild lion]

So the scaling is bad? Because i feel like if you can get enough of the stat that says, increases all damage, it would have to be good

[umbral badger]

i mean i made many posts

[shy dew]

and a lot of ppl complain in every att

[umbral badger]

but did not see hte protest

[shy dew]

they just dont care at us

[minor gust]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/arms-warrior-feedback/2270878

[junior remnant]

we need to keep at it

[umbral badger]

ofc, we pay money same as everyone else and being kicked out of competitive communities as warriors for being undertuned for 2 years is literally more money paid by us than it would cost htem to fix the spec

[umbral badger]

think about it this way, everything you get is giving you % dmg, even if it is not "straight forward' saying it. but things like crit give you other benifits because you have a lot of sources to crit damage and if you are colossus you even need a lot of crit for your demolish to start aligning with other cds 'i don't know if it can actually be done in mid night, but in TWW with enough crit you get 1 demo per CS roughly"

and haste gets you more rage, more globals and more resets

arms mastery right now is the proof that blizzard does not want to allocate resources to arms

[shy dew]

every talent shows it

no innovation no ST, no good features

[umbral badger]

in fact mastery is 100% blizzard's lazy way to say "ok give them a band aid solution"

[wild lion]

It just seems like theres no point in pressing buttons more often if we are hitting like a wet noodle

I miss the extra hit mastery

[junior remnant]

what if mastery would increase crit dmg or ignore % armor ?

[umbral badger]

we do decent dmg during CS, it's just that blizzard made a class identity where you do much less than tank dps outside of CS

so even if we do more than average during CS we are still majority of hte time doing nothing

[wild lion]

Ur cooking. Yeah just make mastery armor pen for arms

[umbral badger]

and everything i am saying here is something blizzard are already aware of but they don't wanna allocate resources to fix arms probably

the problem with putting your entire class power into a 10-15 seconds cd window is that we ltierally can't use the cd lol

[tight wing]

thats why I liked the CDR of the old Apex

[umbral badger]

like on first boss you wanna cs the adds but you can't do dmg ot boss cuz of it

[rose ibex]

Ive heard reports that sometimes crit, sometimes haste, sometimes vers but also other stats like speed and leech. Im gonna beat up a training dummy with it and see what kind of performance it actually has

[junior remnant]

or even increase chance for a double attack on abilities like Execute, MS etc

[wild lion]

I understand that direction and is why i want to lean into the CS damage window and just do a metric ton of damage in that short window. But you're right. It probably still wouldn't work

[umbral badger]

that's later, not now. now we literally don't have enough crit and haste to play

[junior remnant]

Mastery as a % increse of double casting, single target abilities

that combined with SS

should give us a good boost for AoE and ST

[umbral badger]

there is no world where it will work as a non-niche playstyle if we do for example two times the dmg in CS window, specifically because you can never have the opportunity to use CS on cd if you need it 10 seconds later or prio

currently our CS is gonna be something like 50% more dmg to the target

with t2

lol

[warm fog]

I mean all your damage in a 15 second window worked for arcane mage - you just need that window to be really good

[umbral badger]

and it gives some procs "like 4 cleave hits" so without it you can't AOE

you have to hold it

but if you hold it you can't do ST

[warm fog]

You’d need it lead to funnel

[umbral badger]

i don't know if it was the same sort of debuff, but arcane mage was doing 3 times our ST dmg at some points

[wild lion]

This philosophy. Also trying to translate it into pvp. But they tell me it wouldnt work either. But i doubt anyone has tried

[rose ibex]

Oh I mean what the different loas give you from the trinket

[umbral badger]

TWW warrior was much better designed because you had insane burst during CS window but you could still do some dmg outside of it and you could sitll aoe

[warm fog]

Like CS makes your mortals strikes on your target cleave to other adds and also do more damage to your primary

[umbral badger]

well, ION already said "we want arms warrior ot be the king of two target cleave" so they won't change it to be something more AOE oriented with mortal strike

although now arms is the king of nothing

just king of m+ aoe

[rose ibex]

It basically does short duration, low cooldown bursts

[wild lion]

I just want slow big hits man

[rose ibex]

A lot of the power is in cleave

[umbral badger]

sure, but now it's TOO slow

[wild lion]

I dont care if it goes even slower i just want to see giant numbers so i can feel the weight of my weapon

[sharp wyvern]

We had a talent called Opportunity strikes before basically the same thing

[wild lion]

Im sure some of you play classic warrior too. I want to pop cds and press a single whirlwind and see big ol crits

[ripe oxide]

legit just what you think the class fantasy would be but i guess not

[rose ibex]

Make targets take increasing damage from Mortal strike everytime it gets hit by it up to a certain stack limit

[umbral badger]

i mean look guys, i think what happened is that blizzard thought "all the mortal strike procs are too much RNG". and so blizzard removed the 20% of mortal strike reseting it self , which is fine, and then removed ravager hitting a few extra mortal strikes, but then they did not compensate that dmg into mortal strike, they tried to compensate it INTO COLOSSUS SMASH. this is exactly the issue imo

[sharp wyvern]

That's survival hunter

[rose ibex]

Yeah I dont care

Shhhh

It would be cooool

[wild lion]

You understand meee

[edgy solstice]

just give arms the outlaw treatment already

[junior remnant]

I know i remember it. we can bring it back in such a fashion... that way Heroic Strike can be cast more times befor CS

[edgy solstice]

it's cooked

turn us into samurai or blademaster or whatev

[sharp wyvern]

Or hear me out bring the talent back and make it a capstone

[wild lion]

I do like the modern rotation of arms. It reminds me of mop a little bit. It just needs to hit harder lol

[rose ibex]

Slayer should be blademastery. Colossus should be hulk barbarian big smash

[umbral badger]

and for the reason i mentioned above, current mortal strike is too slow, because they already tried to compensate the lost dmg to extra mortal strike procs with more CS dmg.

[edgy solstice]

it's been increasingly more dogshit every xpac since bfa s1

[ripe oxide]

keep cooking king

[sharp wyvern]

Idk why but for some reason heroic strikes feels out of place whenever it procs

[wild lion]

True

[rose ibex]

I think we should hit our targets to death with weapons

[vapid spire]

Ngl, our apex is still shit but its better than it was

[wild lion]

Why dont they just give us a single bit hit mortal strike? Lol who asked for the bells and whistles?

[umbral badger]

but let me tell you all something funny, TWW CS was a 30% debuff, but we would pop it and use ravager and get a few 20% chance of resets so we would do literally 10-15 mortal strikes in 1 CS "including ravager mortals". do you all think pushing CS to 50% instead is gonna compensate us when we get 5 mortal strikes instead of 15?

[umbral badger]

because they attributed the spec unpopularity to design i would assume, not to weakness.

but most competitive warriors would play arms if it was strong anyway

and then it would have looked popoular

[ripe oxide]

spec called arms but this mf using his brain

[wild lion]

I havent played modern warrior since shadowlands so i missed all the dragonflight and tww stuff

[sharp wyvern]

Missing DF arms is a big L

[umbral badger]

well, long story short is , 30% CS with 15mortal strikes are > than 50% CS and 5 mortal strikes unless you double or triple that mortal strike damage. and they did not change it relatively

[wild lion]

I was reliving my glory days playing wrath arms my bad

[rose ibex]

Ima be real: the class has kind of had an identity issue since the beginning. When you take a bunch of wc3 and vanilla abilities and cram them into a spec things get weird.

What arms needs is something like an update and refocusing of class fantasy, kinda like how they turned combat rogue into outlaw. What makes arms stand out? What is it's thing?

Once we figure that out (and you could debate til the end of time on what is correct) the rest will focus itself

[umbral badger]

to begin with, we were already spamming the FK out of overpower in TWW and just getting more free mortal strikes. so they just removed globals from us without compensating us with globals

[sharp wyvern]

Once legion classic comes out people can finally go back and see the flaws arms had instead of glorifying it

[edgy solstice]

bfa/sl was ok at least. arms ever since new talent system has been cheeks

[polar isle]

fuck legion arms

[sharp wyvern]

Based

[polar isle]

focused rage was the biggest dogshit

[junior remnant]

enough nostalgia, we need to resolve the issue now

[rose ibex]

Nah ima just hit stuff

All this talking and reading. Lame

[junior remnant]

if we give them a solution to a problem it is more likely for them to resolve it

[umbral badger]

focused rage was both the most popular and unpopular skill in teh game, it had die hard fans and die hard haters xd i was a fan

[sharp wyvern]

We can solve it by playing fury

[junior remnant]

I'd rather play Surv Hunter than Fury tbh

[umbral gyro]

🤮

[edgy solstice]

We can solve it by playing tbc

[glass compass]

fuck playing fury etc

[umbral badger]

i mean arms identity have always been clear, arms is the last standing melee class with slower but heavier hitting playstyle, except that it hits heavily only during cds and outside of cds it does less than tnaks xd

[sharp wyvern]

Playing arms in raid rn is griefing except for 1 boss

[wild lion]

The refined master of arms. A fighter that has mastered every weapon and style. Dedicated their life to martial prowess. Resourceful. Like the old og spec description said

[umbral badger]

it is decent in liightbinded vanguard, but since IOIN hazapotato said "arms should be the king of cleave" in that boss situation. doing double damage the entire fight with sweeping strike is still not enough for arms to be top

it's sad

like literally the top 100 players on lightbinded should have been arms

lol

[hoary palm]

Why does wowhead say to cleave when the target is below 35%

[umbral badger]

at least based on what the identity is supposed to be and based on what Ion potato said

[rose ibex]

Yeah but thats really difficult to show off with gameplay

[umbral badger]

cuz other abilities does no dmg

and cleave does more dmg under 35%

if you are in m+ spec cleave hits much harder than mortal strike at lower health targets especially when ravager is up

[shy dew]

ig the only way to try fix is we doing like 20 thousand billions of posts, frozenbozo did 1, someone make another, and another

and another like that

[umbral badger]

i already made 1 on wow forums and 1 on reddit xd

need more

[wild lion]

Especially with how little skill expression the class had or probably the game atp

[umbral badger]

if next week blizzard really does not do anything we also need ppl to start threatinig with refunding the expansion in tickets just as a tactic without any real intention xd

[umbral badger]

arms have more skill expression than fury at least

lol

playing fury today i hated my soul it's so disgusting and boring and braindead

zero skill required just automatically hit the right key in the right order forever and ever

[wild lion]

It would just be cool to have something that other classes dont. Something that would be hard to master but cool to pull off

[umbral badger]

not gonna happen, everything hard to master was removed from the game's most classes if not all

not casual friendly

[rose ibex]

Also why would a super experienced skillful fighter spin wildly while cleaving targets down? Why would they hulk smash the ground so hard it cracks the earth? Some themes in the class kind of counter eachother. Theres no cohesion but at the same time these things are so iconic its hard to drop. It gives off the impression that arms is just a dumping ground for legacy skills and mechanics

[wild lion]

Back in the day we had stance dancing. Probably not the best example but when info for the game was limited, if you could comfortably play warrior, people thought you were the man

[umbral badger]

even the new sweeping strike which is arguably worse in M+ and better in raid overall they tried ot make it more brain dead "regardless if it worked or not"

[rose ibex]

Stances WOULD be a cool way to show off a disciplined fighting style but I dont know how you could modernize it or make it exciting visually

[ripe oxide]

i'm just surprised arms isnt like the king of single target, feels like swinging a weapon the size of giant bosses legs should maybe do a big number for dopamine rush and we can enter a feedback loop of getting big dopamine rush.

[nova marsh]

Tbh I dont think anyone does super experienced fighters well

Espically not wow with our current animations

[junior remnant]

It used to be.

[wild lion]

Yeah adding it back would just be a mistake. Would not trust blizz doing that lol. Something along those lines would be cool though

[rose ibex]

You can show it off in fighting games but this is wow. My overall point is that arms needs more of a theme to focus on and then the gameplay can be molded around that better

[ripe oxide]

ahh my mistake i should have started sooner smh

[nova marsh]

I mean I agree.

But I also dont know what the theme is abymore

[rose ibex]

Everyone wants different things

[umbral badger]

i would argue TBC warrior with the limited resources and the early stages of game designing back then was a very solid "experienced weapon mastery" design. although it was primarily a pvp class it did capture that with the weapon specs and the disarm dependency and so on

[nova marsh]

Can't comment

I dont play classic

[rose ibex]

I want big smash mega slams where your dude hits unbelievably hard but im sure some people want more of a wc3 blademaster fantasy

[wild lion]

I like how warriors were the only class that could equip everything. Part of the reason i picked it as a kid lol

[umbral badger]

like you can't compare old wow with new wow cuz old wow was early stages, but arms in old days wow was much more of an experienced discplined fighter relative to other games designs of such warrior.

[rose ibex]

Arms is one of the most old man specs in the game

[wild lion]

Ty for wording that better

But that

Lol

[rose ibex]

And its design really shows that

But thats also why I like it

[umbral badger]

i personally don't care about "blademaster" fantasy, i think arms should be the heavy hitter cuz it is the last melee capable of the heavy hitter fantasy

[ripe oxide]

i would think they could just make arms indentity single target smash and god forbid make a spec for blade master focused on cleave damage and more agile looking animations

[wild lion]

Would it really be that bad to make us like mop arms? Make CS single target and proc cd resets

[rose ibex]

Yeah I want big super smashes. Id like to have at least one empower ability where I can charge up and do a giant nova aoe

[umbral badger]

we have that lol it's just that they did not work to improve it

[wild lion]

I wanted to make a build like this for slam

[umbral badger]

again, not enough resources allocated to arms design and fix

[nova marsh]

I think you can have both with hero trees

[rose ibex]

Demolish is more of a channeled ability with a big payoff at the end and it feels awkward as hell

[wild lion]

This

[umbral badger]

yes, but they clearly did not allocate resources to fixs it or improve it

[ripe oxide]

ong

[rose ibex]

Tbf it is better, but i still think its awkward

[umbral badger]

they put all their resources on UH dks and warlock and mages

a little bit on fury

[rose ibex]

I do get happy seeing a 200k crit off it tho

[umbral badger]

and zero on arms

[rose ibex]

Fury actually has class fantasy

[wild lion]

You get 200k demolish crits?

[rose ibex]

You are a fast attacking super strong barbarian who uses brute force to chop things up fast fast

[wild lion]

Fury class fantasy is angry muscle man

[umbral badger]

when blizzard designs arms they just go look at critcakes stream a little bit, then they hear him say "arms is boring to me" and then they go llike "lets do some random shit with the spec maybe it becomes fun" 🤣

[rose ibex]

Ramping speed, lifesteal, pool noodles. It knows what its about

[umbral badger]

if you have the gear even mortal strike hits over 200k fully stacked

and demolish ofc

the problem is that mortal strike does like 30 or 40k outside of cds

lol

[rose ibex]

Nerf everything and buff cleave to the moon

[ripe oxide]

oh god

[rose ibex]

That's what they did. That's why we're sitting here yapping about arms

[umbral badger]

if they buff cleave by 20% more we will end up becoming a 1 rotational skill class slol

[wild lion]

I started sunday. Still working on gear lol

[rose ibex]

Yeah I hit lothraxian with a 200k crit yesterday with full stack demolish

[umbral badger]

nah king, i mean to be honest i don't think they "giga buffed cleave' . it's just that cleave is the biggest beneficiary of the CS changes "and the fact that you get 4 cleaves in a row"

[wild lion]

Are you haste crit?

[rose ibex]

My stats are... suboptimal lol

Im taking what I can get

[wild lion]

Last time i played it felt like stats didnt matter as much as ilvl

[rose ibex]

But im trying to be haste crit

[umbral badger]

@rose ibex again, we were able of doing 15 mortals in one CS and now we do 5 with a little bit of a stronger CS. but cleave on the other hand we do more cleaves in a CS with a little bit of a stronger CS

[wild lion]

Is it still the same?

[rose ibex]

I am 247 ilvl with a crafted weapon and all the fixings

[umbral badger]

so i dont' think they "buffed cleave" literally, they just made a complete design that only benefits cleave

[wild lion]

New cleave does feel kinda good to press ngl

[rose ibex]

Yeah I believe you. It just seems that after a bunch of stuff got nerfed in beta cleave was all that was left reasonably functional

[wild lion]

But like only good thing to press i guess lol

[junior remnant]

quick question is Eyes of the Eagle ring enchant any good for us ?

[umbral badger]

yes but our crits are relatively the same as TWW just with 50% fewers mortals lol

[rose ibex]

Cleave and things that help cleave anyways

[umbral badger]

I SITLL can't believe they took 50% of our mortal strikes away

my demolish never fking resets

[shy dew]

demolish design is really bad

it should be like hammer of light in ashes

[rose ibex]

Yeah I am trying to treat every expansion only relative to itself in terms of actual numbers

[shy dew]

put it into colossus smash

dont make 2 skills

make 1

[umbral badger]

need someone to do the calculation if demolish can ever sync with CS wit henough crit

[rose ibex]

Because everything gets scaled at the start of every expansion

[shy dew]

and stacks, shit, what mess stacks should be always that dmg without that shit stacks

[sudden topaz]

by how much will we be nerfed tomorrow

[umbral badger]

yea but if our crits is the same relative ot other classes as it was in TWW but we hit much slower then it was obvious from the start this entire redesign is gonna be shit lol

[shy dew]

duration time of stacks are really low cant enjoy it in another pull as should

[rose ibex]

Oh im confused. What are we talking about?

[umbral badger]

that's one of the biggest issues with demolish, stacks should not have a duration during combat imo

[finite ocean]

are yall going single target or aoe on the dragon bosses

[shy dew]

delete those stacks and make high dmg and 1 skill with colossus to dont dealign

[rare kite]

arms does no st. might as well pad your heart out

[umbral badger]

well, since i was mythic raiding as arms including colossus during TWW and doing well. i have a good memory still of how much "damage per mortal strike" we did relative to other classes average damage per skill. for example our mortal strike was roughly close in average to a chaos bolt. and it is still the case now. but we lost 50% of the mortal strikes and we have downtime of doing nothing now.

[rose ibex]

That sounds badass

[umbral badger]

meaning it was obvious we will lose a lot of ST dps by losing half the mortal strike procs

and by not having more demolish procs if you are colossus too

[rose ibex]

Naw I was just talking about how I saw demolish crit for 200k and in regards to what ive seen in the expansion it seemed pretty big

And I was happy about it is all

[umbral badger]

demolish did hit relatively same dmg in TWW too compared to other classes

[rose ibex]

I dont know what things were like in previous expansions

[umbral badger]

but we also were able to use a demolish every CS with some crit

now it's impossible

[rose ibex]

Ahhh yeah I did notice that demolish seems like it takes longer to come up

[shy dew]

or make it like boomstick atleast

moveable

[umbral badger]

i would have loved it if they just removed anger management from arms and gave it something else

[shy dew]

is a shit using it when tank move

[umbral badger]

without anger management our shit won't desync anymroe

[rose ibex]

I aint a fancy mythic raider. I usually burn out on expansions really fast but Im digging this one and I like the arms changes outside of actual numbers

[umbral badger]

if we are talking design wise, arms biggest issue have been anger management for a while

[rose ibex]

Yeah. Cooldowns not lining up

[umbral badger]

because it is too powerful to give up, and it keeps desyncing our shit

and it also makes us unable ot use trinkets

[rose ibex]

I really dislike avatar as an ability

[umbral badger]

use-trinkets are offlimit

for the most part

[rose ibex]

It doesn't do anything exciting

Except make you bigger

[umbral badger]

avatar is cool fantasy for warrior i don't mind it

they just need to remove anger management and do something else instead, maybe wtih avatar even

[rose ibex]

I just feel like it should stick to being a mountain thane only thing

[wind hatch]

I would rather them touch up avatar a little over removing it

[umbral badger]

make arms use trinkets again

[rose ibex]

If we really want to talk about arms, it should be about employing different kinds of unique attacks like bladestorm and demolish and colossus smash

[umbral badger]

i am a bladestorm hater personally

fk that skill

[rose ibex]

Hey to each their own

I quite enjoy playing both specs

[umbral badger]

a skill where you are just spinning like a ballerina is not what a heavy hitter should be

[rose ibex]

Naw but slayer kinda follows a different fantasy

[umbral badger]

i have to admit though, it wasn't too bad ot use bladestorm last expansion cuz it also hit mortal strikes during

[rose ibex]

Faster and more multi hits and such

[rose ibex]

Oh it does for slayer. Unhinged is baked in

[umbral badger]

i mean all arms does follow the "heavy hitter" identity but one less than the other

wait what

no way

slayer still has that ?

[rose ibex]

Yeah man

Its one of their hero talents now

[umbral badger]

cuz i swapped ot fury today for the first time ever to help mroe in raid i did not even look into slayer arms

[rose ibex]

Slayer is honestly super fun but colossus does better aoe in dungeon

[umbral badger]

i meaaan

unhinged was literally what made colossus capable of doing ST

[rose ibex]

Ehhhh fury is still going to do more single target

Like if you want to push arms is probably not it

[umbral badger]

i am surprised they gave unhinged to the hero talent that needed it the least

[rose ibex]

Fury is just so consistent with how its designed

It needs good single target to have good aoe so its always going to be balanced in a way to be relevent

[umbral badger]

only reason i went fury is to help the guild, i hated every second of it but i can't trust blizzard any longer anyway

[rose ibex]

Unless they gut it like they did spriest

[hushed pine]

Warrior is just poorly designed right now

[rose ibex]

I might alt spriest anyways because it is just thematically cool

[umbral badger]

dunno, unhinged should have never been removed from colossus

probably can be removed from slayer

but not colossus

[rose ibex]

Slayer is the bladestorm and execute spec

[wild lion]

Rip root break

[rose ibex]

Colossus is the big hits and bleeds spec

[wild lion]

Also dark and darker discord tag is cool

[rose ibex]

I love that game

[wild lion]

This guy fucks

[umbral badger]

that's why i am saying it is weird they gave "THE MORTAL STRIKE" mechanic to the execute spec instad of the mortal strike spec

[wild lion]

Good game sdf is a tard tho

[rose ibex]

Sdf is misunderstood

[wild lion]

Ok back to warrior

[rose ibex]

But is obnoxiously stubborn

[umbral badger]

now that i know they fked up my favorite talent in colossus only which is my favorite spec i am more mad lol

[wild lion]

Slayer reminds me of venthyr

[rose ibex]

Ima play some slayer tonight. Gotta reap the storm while we got it

Slayer is definitely more about fast bladestery strikes

[umbral badger]

god sake dude why did they do this to colossus lol so ssad

[wild lion]

So when did this change go into effect?

[umbral badger]

instead of unhinged they gave us "10% haste when you demolish"

we don't fking demolish

[umbral gyro]

Besides Orc, which race do you think is the coolest for Arms Warrior in terms of transmog and style

[umbral badger]

it takes 9000 years to demolish

[rare kite]

gnome

[wild lion]

Dragon

Idk i made my warrior a dragon when i came back. Its pretty cool lol

[wicked warren]

Dwarf

[rare kite]

vault of the incarnates set goes hard on gnome

[umbral gyro]

Wtf

[umbral badger]

k time to go do the ? delve nad ?? delve

considering it gives a lot of crests

[umbral gyro]

Ok hm

[obsidian otter]

little pebble

[umbral gyro]

I thought you guys say human or nelf or so

[umbral badger]

btw guys, i've always been told that fury is tankier than any arms. after trying fury i don't see it. isn't colossus straight up tankier ?

[rare kite]

tbf i am a nelf atm. this was just how i looked when progging raszageth years ago

[rare kite]

fury 10% passive dr at all times(when enraged) extra 2h weapon for more stamina. thane also gets either damage reduction when pressing tblast or just gets higher hp. not to mention fury sustain with bloodthirst being pressed basically on cd

[rose ibex]

Gnome or tauren

Two extremes

[umbral badger]

hmm, so a bit less dmg reduction than colossus but roughly the same i guess

where is the ?? delve at

[junior remnant]

Voidstorm

[umbral gyro]

Ok 😄

[umbral gyro]

Yea 😄

Of the animations, I like Human and Orc the most

[obsidian otter]

@hasty pumice my bad just saw you wantd to see it on orc its terrible lol

hes to big lol

[warm fog]

lol it doesn’t scale right

I need to see Tauren now

[obsidian otter]

you stand up on it from the back your like standing idk i dont like it personally

cool mount though

[obsidian otter]

I’m sure it was made for elf characters ngl

[fossil thistle]

Fem Gob

[slender sonnet]

whoo cursed me

[acoustic bronze]

whats your avg ilvl? im 253 and only doing 42.5k single target dps on dummies. think im doing something wrong

[minor gust]

Gratz on your new Bis trinket!

[hoary palm]

Why is rend not on the opener in wowhead does having it up not matter

[robust cypress]

what do I drop to get extra long Sweeping Strikes

for dragons

[wild lion]

ok guys im home from work

did they buff arms yet

[pallid viper]

bros, I am confused. why warrior specs are missing in the aggregated S1 sim https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/MID1_Raid.html ?

[mild dagger]

Threatening to close the discord like Paladins would probably make Blizzard happy. Maybe we threaten to make more warrior discords to get some attention?

[nova marsh]

Or hear me out

[umbral gyro]

For new arms player what guide would you suggest? Wowhead or icy?

[nova marsh]

We could not be hissy fit throwing babies like ret

[robust cypress]

wowhead

[nova marsh]

Ohai stormy

[wild lion]

what if we start calling for a nerf

maybe it would confuse them and force them to look at the numbers

[umbral gyro]

Thx

[nova marsh]

No no no dont do that

They might follow through because of vanguard

[ripe oxide]

reverse reverse psychology

[robust cypress]

Hello

Arms is my split alt so you're gonna see me here

[nova marsh]

Oooo nice

I'm going UDK cuz of a 2h drop last night

[boreal remnant]

hard and tiny, trying to say something?

[rare kite]

huge for a gnome

[nova marsh]

HGey guys

is there any way to see your vault without M+ being active

[boreal remnant]

press I -> mythic+ dungeon -> click your vault

[nova marsh]

One problem there mate

is why I'm asking

[boreal remnant]

then you haven't done anything

[nova marsh]

...

I have

[boreal remnant]

this is how mine looks

[nova marsh]

wtf

I have done like 8 delves + 7 raid bosses

[boreal remnant]

weirdge

[mighty stratus]

But no dungeons? thats probably why

theres also a button for the vault in the adventure journal

[nova marsh]

Ah

thanks

[compact fern]

colossus m+ build has a low single target damage like this or am i doing something wrong?

[boreal remnant]

lol

ignore that st exists as a concept when you're playing arms

[compact fern]

ok lmao, my aoe was good but i was fighting tank on bosses lol

[boreal remnant]

yeah blizzard seems to like us there

[nova marsh]

Tbh if you want good aoe and good st, find another spec unfort

[vestal plover]

My warrior got leveled first.. Devolved into a blacksmith bot and used for the nemesis and thats it..

[spark harbor]

Man I can’t find anyone to craft my shit lol

How much do yall tip

I thought 10k was decent

Ig not I been sitting in trade for 30 mins dam

[lime ruin]

Do you change arms build on heroic Crown of the Cosmos boss at all?

[stable fiber]

CHILLS.

145k ON THE PALADINS

[lime ruin]

That's gotta be 100 parse on those bad boys

arms is on top on paladins

[stable fiber]

its 100 by like

15k dps

[lime ruin]

this one was 100 lol

[tired sinew]

my char is simming only @ 40... hahahaha

[icy atlas]

And Blizzard will use that as evidence that Arms is fine

[lime ruin]

hmm arms isn't on the bottom. This must be rectified asap

[tired sinew]

next thing you know SS stacks drop by 50%

[stable fiber]

respeccing fury though

sorry

[lime ruin]

you will regret this

mark my words

[minor gust]

Paladins is why we wont get buffs for the next two tuning pass

[pine wren]

How is Arms feeling after tuning? My wrists are so tired after a few hours of raiding on Fury 💀

[lime ruin]

worse than fury except on paladins

I parsed 100 on dragons and did 3k less dps than the fury who died and got ressed

[nova marsh]

Still not good

[pine wren]

Welp. That's a big yikes. Guess I'll stay put for now. I'm a relatively new Warrior main, and Fury has been the way to go the entire time. I'm so curious to try Arms but I don't want to swap if it's objectively worse

[nova marsh]

But better on paladins so a big dub

Chief I'mma be honest

You can learn both

in fact, I encourage it

Yes arms is downbad rn. But it won't be forever

[smoky kayak]

it's strong on a couple fights just because of cleave spam, but the single target is atrocious

[spark harbor]

Guys wtf does sparkle do

On gear

[nova marsh]

it means you removed an embellishment

[smoky kayak]

it doesn't count against the embellishment limit

[wary raft]

its just a signifier that an embellishment has been removed

[spark harbor]

Oh

[pine wren]

I probably will during downtime of season 1!

Sparkle is removing an embellishment on a piece of gear without throwing it away to avoid cap

[wary raft]

or its embellished with "this is an embellishment but not really"

[smoky kayak]

yeah it's a do-nothing embellishment that doesn't count against the cap

[spark harbor]

Is that what I should take on my pvp ring?

I can’t tell if I should do that or gem bandolier

[pine wren]

There's no purpose in applying Sparkle unles you're trying to move embellishments around and don't want to lose a piece of crafted gear. I'unno what Gem Bandolier does

[nova marsh]

If you dont want an embellishment just don't add one

[spark harbor]

Hmm

[wary raft]

if u are planning on embellishing the piece, literally ANY embellishment is better than sparkle

because the use case for sparkle, is to preserve the sparks put into a piece which was previously embellished with something else that you wish to change from the piece you are recrafting to whatever other piece

[spark harbor]

Ah ok I found it on murlok actually now nvm

Apparently I take iris

[rose ibex]

The classics!

[cobalt sinew]

you know its bad when the maghar garrosh cosplayers are all playing fury

[latent moss]

they were always playing fury

[umbral gyro]

Yes

[gentle gyro]

Father?! Is...it.....Joever?

[hushed pine]

No. The class tuning is next week.

Source: it came to me in a dream

[rare kite]

20% cleave buff

[shy oyster]

Cleave now calculates all damage it does depending on targets, meaning a massive hit on ST.

God I wish.

[flat willow]

just gotta use the tbc axes

go back to the roots

[rose ibex]

what did you settle on?

[umbral gyro]

I can’t decide between Human and Night Elf

Human Male and nelf female

[minor gust]

Answer is always nelf

[rose ibex]

Ew. Never nelf

If I was gonna go alliance id go kul tiran over human any day

[summer niche]

The only thing I like about alliance is that humans dont have to worry about transmogd

[unreal ivy]

Hearing a distinct lack of zanda troll

[flat willow]

we are all waiting for the amani troll

[latent moss]

nelf

[hoary palm]

We don't apply rend in the opener?

[umbral gyro]

😁

[umbral gyro]

Yep. Thats what i thought

[obsidian otter]

That a goblin?

[quiet bramble]

Oh damn shirly is doing well as arms

[stable fiber]

think with the mm hunter bug fix

arms is actually top on paladins

lol

[thorn stream]

Yeii being good in our niche

It’s mostly cleave tho

[stable fiber]

its the penultimate boss of voidspire

maybe see some arms dps

[modest marlin]

I'm liking Dracthyr warrior a lot more than I expected to.

She's a lot quieter than my old gnome which is a nice change of pace

[quiet bramble]

War being quiet?

[modest marlin]

lol, maybe her yells are bugged?

for example her ignore pain yells aren't nearly as loud

[weak wave]

This macro doesn't work anymore. Is there a fix or so we have to press HS manually again?

[modest marlin]

what's wrong with pressing it? I've enjoyed it myself

[nova marsh]

People hate slam cuz its a weak filler button with a mid animation and sfx

[latent moss]

i fw hs as colo

feels good

i never press slam anyway

just cleave

[modest marlin]

With the apex, arms feels like the heavy hitting spec the fantasy aims for. Especially as Colossus.

The only thing that has felt funky to far is maintaining rend.

[plucky fern]

did m0 world tour as arms and damn it feels good in aoe the numbers are crazy
but at single target its just so sad
im doing the same st dps as ~230 mage (im 253)

blizzard please just a little help

20% ms buff might do the job

[hoary palm]

Looking at the rotation priority I dont think keeping rend 100% is necessary

You put it up when you have nothing else to do

[latent moss]

not as colossus

[hoary palm]

MS and execute buff would barely buff our aoe and would actually make arms feel decent