Yeah but Rick got cheesed to fuck on logs with bombs
#arms
nova marsh
pale mantle
supreme pad
nova marsh
Yup
Idk i just wish we got more st for better variety
Instead of like 70%+ of the bosses being cleave. And if your spec has bad cleave you just suffer
pale mantle
I mean, saladbar and the second boss is the most ST you can get in this raid
I wonder were is the emergencial buff for these 2 here
hoary palm
Arms needs an emergency buff
spark harbor
Where do yall get ur talent builds btw I feel like im doing myself a disservice going through icey veins or wowhead idk
pale mantle
Arms needs an emergency buff
frost as well, look at that shit
my main is dammed
had to swap to UH because of blizz shit
frost have literally 0 damage outside cds, like healer damage
and these little shit adds appear and I only have wet nuddles to thrown at them
nova marsh
frost have literally 0 damage outside cds, like healer damage
I mean
That is literally dk in general
Udk just does tank damage outside of cds insteas
pale mantle
yeah I mean, sure, its the class fantasy I guess
but this time around on this raid this is fucking DKs
especially frost
halcyon valve
frost have literally 0 damage outside cds, like healer damage
Hasnt frost always been like that
pale mantle
yes
but like on manaforge for example, you didnt had that many adds spawning all the time
minor gust
Where do yall get ur talent builds btw I feel like im doing myself a disservice ...
Why would you think that?
spark harbor
Idk the builds typically sound/seem wrong or outdated
Not sure if I’m dumb to trust em
nova marsh
Typically no
pale mantle
which is bad for this raid, because you burst your ass of on the boss, then you have 20 little shits around with 300k health
nova marsh
Or you hold for adds
rose ibex
Typically no
better to just do patchwork?
nova marsh
better to just do patchwork?
Typically yes. There's also dungeon route but I don't know how to set that up
pale mantle
retri go there and clean then like a broom
thick kelp
Gotta game better if they die before your cds
nova marsh
Gotta game better if they die before your cds
Na because frost has to get through like
pale mantle
dude
pale mantle
exactly
nova marsh
Because of mark and exterms
pale mantle
and when that happens
nova marsh
If adds dont get those youre fuxked
pale mantle
like on the dragons boss
thick kelp
so wait untill mythic so adds will have proper hp
nova marsh
so wait untill mythic so adds will have proper hp
Even then they dont feel like they align well with pillar/fwf
pale mantle
20 little shit with 300k.. before you could do anything, the monks and retris already cleaned them
like brooms
nova marsh
Just st and pretend cleave dosent exist
pale mantle
reason why frost is down the list
rose ibex
i got this very sad thing and i suspect it is bad
nova marsh
Like thats what I did for normal cuz it absoutlely wasnt worth the headache as frost
pale mantle
top worst 5
rose ibex
from my delve map :/
vale gorge
nova marsh
Day 2 logs
rose ibex
but i'll be damned if i use this vessel trinket
pale mantle
frost is great if you have adds that can survive enough time so you can ditch your damage
pale mantle
for example on saladbar on manaforge, you stacked 18 on prism, went to the platform and boom
nova marsh
Espically after I pissed off retris and warriors in a pug by yoinking the mace from second boss as my sole prize
pale mantle
top 1 by a mile
nova marsh
top 1 by a mile
Wasn't frost busted as shit in manafotge
pale mantle
on saladar, you could do supreme pad damage on plataform with prism
nova marsh
Minute and a half pillar feels like trash
minor gust
Idk the builds typically sound/seem wrong or outdated
The builds are very much updated with the new apex.
pale mantle
Minute and a half pillar feels like trash
feels like trash when they nerfed frost resources and now you have to AFK for like 10 seconds before pillar if you didnt have good rng with runes and procs
nova marsh
feels like trash when they nerfed frost resources and now you have to AFK for li...
I mean
You probably won't with tier
Cuz just infinite ERW
pale mantle
You probably won't with tier
not quite
nova marsh
The afk feels bad
nova marsh
Eh I don't really care that its on the gcd
pale mantle
you should, its 1 less obliterate
pale mantle
you just need 1 for 45 and one for 1:30
put wyrm with breath and you are good
they will actually remove the return wyrm
from gcd
rose ibex
i got this very sad thing and i suspect it is bad
has anyone used this thing before?
i don't think it sims well
but it seems to have cool effects
just very unreliable
inland heron
whys our minimum the lowest by far on the raid logs when everything else is fine?
nova marsh
A. Small data set (its been two days lol)
B. Arms isnt in a good spot
C. Evreything is prog and evreyone sucks
nova marsh
D. Vanguard exists and were being propped up solely by that boss
inland heron
whys that good for us
nova marsh
Its basically a fight with full uptime on 2 or more targets
Aka: literally arms's niche
Also im not sure it is
nova marsh
Cuz of colo?
rose ibex
well, cs
rose ibex
i dunno. I'm just blabbing... but fr they seem to want to push colossus smash useage
thick kelp
Almost like in Alpha the only Cd arms had was CS
rose ibex
the set is all about smash
nova marsh
Mmmm yeah I can see it
thick kelp
They had 0 plans to let us have avatar
nova marsh
Almost like in Alpha the only Cd arms had was CS
It wouldve been glorious
thick kelp
but then the civilians complained
dim basalt
Good times
rose ibex
and we seem to want to rotate the cd of CS as much as possible (which is normal but all our stuff really points to juicing that one ability and what it does)
inland heron
i started casting stormbolt during bs and my dps tripled
dim basalt
i started casting stormbolt during bs and my dps tripled
parsers hate this simple trick
fresh spire
minor gust
Just remember there is a wonderful alternate timeline where midnight arms only has CS + hero talent cd
And I bet in that timeline arms is tuned high
dim basalt
nova marsh
Just remember there is a wonderful alternate timeline where midnight arms only h...
Frozen no
minor gust
All the people who complained how can arms do damage without avatar.
rose ibex
i think I would gladly give up avatar if anger management worked for bladestorm + ravager and our tuning was a bit better
nova marsh
i think I would gladly give up avatar if anger management worked for bladestorm ...
Id give up avatar for less
rose ibex
Hell id be happy if anger management just worked for those abilities
hybrid needle
AM worked for bladestorm. Like 1 day. Then blizz noped it
rose ibex
Most fun thing about avatar is it makes you bigger
And I guess really oily if you're into that
inland heron
remember when it used to cast bs
silent lynx
Guys, i think I’m gonna switch to arms warrior, I’ve been finding Fury really boring since midnight… how is it in dungeons, is it viable?
rose ibex
Its funny because ill absolutely crush the first pull and then afterwards it slowly tapers off and if there's a mage they are beating me by the second pull
rose ibex
Guys, i think I’m gonna switch to arms warrior, I’ve been finding Fury really b...
Im having a blast with it in dungeons. Don't listen to haters but keep in mind tuning isnt over and the 12.05 changes are omega dumb
silent lynx
👌
rose ibex
I did a pull today on colossus that was 120k+ in caverns
silent lynx
The ST is ok ?
rose ibex
Terrible
Slayer is better than colossus but colossus is definitely better aoe
They are both fun and use the same stats so you can switch between them as you feel
Arms is very piano-ey but not overly complex. I feel like there are some general rules to follow and the priority list of what buttons to press differs very slightly between the two hero talents
silent lynx
Yes, I played it in season 2, but I just hope the specialization is okay for playing and pushing
rose ibex
Tuning is far from over so we can only wait and see
I think for dungeons it may be perfectly fine as is but who knows what is to come and how things will go after everyone has tier sets and whatnot
Raid seems like its mid at best but the fact that its fun is good enough for me
silent lynx
Yep !
rose ibex
It feels very bursty atm but I understand a lot of specs are like that
It sucks when tanks chain pull and things dont bunch up since debuffing enemies with CS is a big part of that burst
I am hardly an expert but I like the spec and I like to blab so here I am
silent lynx
My tank is very good , is not problem for me 😅
rose ibex
I feel like cleave is hard carrying us right now
Like every dungeon its always like half my damage
Maybe more
Thats on both specs
torn rivet
why won't they buff arms already god damn it blizz...
proper moth
How’s everyone’s mental health?😂
boreal quartz
Xamuel Taga
sharp wyvern
How’s everyone’s mental health?😂
Arms warrior
unique steppe
why won't they buff arms already god damn it blizz...
they want you to play ret paladin
proper moth
Arms warrior
🫡
halcyon valve
Arms warrior
Arms
shy oyster
Remember: you're a lawnmower, not a lumberjack as arms. you mow down the little mobs, not the big guy
ignore the classes that are both a lumberjack and a lawnmower, they dont exist
dont look at them
halcyon valve
B-b-but our class icon is an axe!!!
shy oyster
😭 a relic of our former role
honestly, arms gets easier to bear with once you just soldier on and accept that you'll never be great ST
just wait for those moments of cleave...
chilly wind
Man, currently playing ret but cant stop thinking about my old love and Main for over 10 years: Arms.
Hearing all the bad things is really heartbreaking. Think I need to Return to Arms
ionic cradle
Heya guys, i was looking through the updated ST rotation for Arms on wowhead and I see Rend is pretty far down the list, getting to the point where rarely you will get to actually use it. Is it no longer a top priority to maintain the bleed?
fresh spire
In slayer you only rend over slam if duration is low on St. On aoe its worth maintaining
It's just not that good vs low target counts
lone yarrow
How’s everyone’s mental health?😂
thick kelp
fresh spire
https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-hiromi-hiromi-higuruma-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-gif-39...
Blizzard guilty of nerfing arms smh
silver mica
arms AoE feels good? but my god that ST.....
thick kelp
arms aoe too good
silver mica
shhhhhhhh
slender sonnet
I had fun in raid last night as arm
latent moss
Aoe about to feel bad in about 5 weeks when 0.5 hits and slayer gets obliterated
colo owns
junior remnant
so i noticed a drastic change in the mastery buff, is that something we are stacking instead of haste now ?
latent moss
i love when on st with the m+ build my ms hits for 35k then i see a 90k cleave
gentle gyro
https://giphy.com/gifs/its-over-were-back-so-r6oVCm8D7n6KRXHEke
says who?
fresh spire
We're back is processing please hold
silent lynx
arms AoE feels good? but my god that ST.....
Is terrible or just ok but little low?
slender sonnet
We're back is processing please hold
We are back
flat willow
Is terrible or just ok but little low?
it's the kind of single target that gets you kicked from a group after they see you bellow the tank
slender sonnet
I was like 3rd dps on one boss
silent lynx
it's the kind of single target that gets you kicked from a group after they see ...
God ! 
junior spruce
Are you guys waiting to craft until you've got enough hero crests?
thick kelp
nio
crafting with HC crests is a waste of them
Craft with no crests and next week recraft with myth
junior spruce
Even for a weapon?
thick kelp
yes
junior spruce
Thanks man
inland nexus
does Overpower with Dreadnaught cause master of warfare not proc since it become non-single target ability?
fresh spire
Dreadnought is a stand alone proc. Doesn't effect overpowers proc rate.
silver mica
Is terrible or just ok but little low?
its alittle low
umbral gyro
Hey. How are we in raid overall on bosses? Our st is shit isnt it?
boreal remnant
Is terrible or just ok but little low?
you're beaten by tanks
thick kelp
Hey. How are we in raid overall on bosses? Our st is shit isnt it?
Doing good if u spec aoe for every fight
and just hit the adds
umbral gyro
Doing good if u spec aoe for every fight
Hm. So we should be better in mythic dif where adds live longer?😅
junior spruce
Quick question. The guide says to craft bracers at 246 with arcanoweave for the second craft but I can't put arcanoweave on blue bracers. Where did I go wrong?
calm hollow
Quick question. The guide says to craft bracers at 246 with arcanoweave for the ...
pretty sure you can
check other wrists
junior spruce
pretty sure you can
Thank you! Looked at the wrong bracers. :)
calm hollow
Thank you! Looked at the wrong bracers. :)
np 
old glacier
Being arms because I'm too cheap to buy a second enchant is a valid reason right? Right?
Also, I have so many leaps!
shy oyster
i think anyone buying enchants this early is pretty cray cray with the AH prices
tight wing
there are some at aresonable price
chilly wind
Also, I have so many leaps!
Why so many leaps?
tight wing
like rings are only 80g for 24 crit
rare elm
i think anyone buying enchants this early is pretty cray cray with the AH prices
I make my pay piggy (ah mount owner) craft me that sauce (enchants) because im funny and offer conversation (aggressively call out the other dpses) when he's in a bad mood.
old glacier
Why so many leaps?
Slayer has bonuses to charge and leaps in the talents.
quiet bramble
pretty sure you can
Where’s this bracer 
quiet bramble
Wurm 
tight wing
fossil thistle
Where’d you see this? Got a link?
fossil thistle
So I smoothed brained kinda.. spent 100 champ on upgrading champ weapon vs crafting and saving 20 (oh well)
So I have a 262 (+avoidance on it)
Crafted 246 bracers with spore (I can swap it out for arcano)
Should I just craft a weapon anyways with hunt, or target a lower piece 🤔
I’m at work and can’t run sims atm 😂
slow saddle
i think anyone buying enchants this early is pretty cray cray with the AH prices
Y i bought on crafted weap
stable fiber
Where’d you see this? Got a link?
Think the site is called wow achievements
fossil thistle
Think the site is called wow achievements
Okay yea I found it, only lets me view reputation though? 🤣
stable fiber
Okay yea I found it, only lets me view reputation though? 🤣
Let me see, there is a way to change it, its kinda a hard site to use I can't lie
stable fiber
Okay yea I found it, only lets me view reputation though? 🤣
Ok I was wrong its dataforazeroth
Srry lowkey just woke up
If you click more you can click nullaeus and see the leaderboard
slender sonnet
Day two rankings go hard
olive nest
Arms owns!
slender sonnet
real
olive nest
slender sonnet
arms owns
olive nest
Sweep pad tech W
slender sonnet
I'd never pad
tight wing
I'd never pad
it looks to me like you were padding the floor here xD
slender sonnet
<:wicked:937093876857045012>
^
olive nest
Syi was the padding
stable fiber
that was him no sweep no cleave, only st hitting the boss
slender sonnet
Real
slender sonnet
It's not padding the adds need to die
stable fiber
you WILL catch my ass padding on every boss
slender sonnet
I did alright in normal not great
stable fiber
im not happy with my normal but i didnt play arms
slender sonnet
we had like 30 people I was lagging a lot
many instances of me pressing ravager on some adds and it not going down
stable fiber
not 99's on every boss = failure
stable fiber
pad harder
livid cloak
yeah I gotta do better
Curious what build you were running. I've seen some with cleave, some without
tight wing
dumb question, how do you check talents used on specific bosses?
livid cloak
👍
slender sonnet
dumb question, how do you check talents used on specific bosses?
then shows the talents and gear used
tight wing
cool ty
slender sonnet
Np
dim basalt
Man I cant wait to raid tonight
After taking a break in the last 2 months of MFO Im so hyped
latent moss
colo mogs slayer
fresh spire
Man the wait to the new raid is just too long.
Early access + the like 2/3, weeks just feels so long. If they are going to do 3 raids like this could have easily given us 1 raid a week starting earlier to ramp us up instead of the long ass wait
slender sonnet
Early access + the like 2/3, weeks just feels so long. If they are going to do 3...
real
sacred zodiac
Early access + the like 2/3, weeks just feels so long. If they are going to do 3...
idk its nice
u get to actually enjoy the expansion
scenic umbra
I enjoy it as well but maybe would reduce 1 week or give us m0 before
Its a nice ramp up
The sickness of the m+ the first days was too much
fresh spire
idk its nice
I mean yeh same time you basically spend the whole ass sub and pay for the game for almost 0 content in comparison
Remove the sub for the 3 weeks and ill complain less
sacred zodiac
tf you mean zero content
its fine that you literally only play for the endgame but the questlines were kinda nice
fresh spire
I mean I did all the quests over a few days after launch. Then played other games for almost 2 weeks as I had nothing else to do
sacred zodiac
mole person speaking
who is this even referring to
sacred zodiac
I mean I did all the quests over a few days after launch. Then played other game...
same tbh but thats cause midnight release coincided with 2 other games i was interested to
fresh spire
Lucky enough it gave me time to play poe.
Still a long gap until the main content even last raids delayed
sacred zodiac
wonder how the difficulty curve will go
proud remnant
Some of us enjoy the slow roll. It’s nice to ease into things
obsidian otter
I mean I did all the quests over a few days after launch. Then played other game...
even me gearing 3 warriors fully before first raid came out and a rogue to 230 i still had proffessions i could have done alot of quests i never did i didnt do delvs or prey system until like day ago to grind it to rank 4 and unlock nightmare there was alot of content to do. But if you just geared and stopped and did nothing else sure there wasnt alot of content.
fresh spire
At least we get like 4 resets or something until slayer dies when march launches
fresh spire
wonder how the difficulty curve will go
I'm expecting last raid mythic to be rough compared to other two
sacred zodiac
idk alleria is insanely "final boss" coded
fresh spire
Like actually test players without addons doing it all kinda -tough-
See how they csn future tune and build bosses with these raids
sacred zodiac
oh yeah we definitely dont just have all the same functionalities right now
wink wink
umbral gyro
are we better than uhdk and frostdk?
sacred zodiac
cant say uh tuning is coming in and tuning in general just isnt done yet
shy dew
are we better than uhdk and frostdk?
before lk exp y, we were
fresh spire
They 100%reeled difficulty back because of the lack of things like auras telling every play what to do and doing auto assignments for stuff
I'm fully expecting that the last 2 will be insanely tuned because of race
Can't have na kill boss before eu logs in
umbral gyro
before lk exp y, we were
lk exp?
rough pewter
guys anybody else noticed the game is darker and more purple ?
slender sonnet
worth it surely
scenic umbra
If you are not racing and not planning on myth raiding early who cares
Enjoy your wep 
umbral gyro
If you are not racing and not planning on myth raiding early who cares
you think arms will get st buff?
scenic umbra
No
They dont care about arms
Its scientifically proven
Finger crossed they rework some stuff here and there for 12.0.5
Hopefully not the shit they announced
umbral gyro
They dont care about arms
I dont get it. Arms is just a cool spec. Dont know why they give a shit
scenic umbra
Big sword and muscles not liked by blizz
Its always aura buff, not real design changes behind for quite long
So why would it change now hehe
scenic umbra
Depending on a 20% proc for aoe is so so, execute not being able to be really buff bcs of the power for aoe, so so as well
The fact that we have to press rend, disaster
scenic umbra
I upgraded trinket to 276
Missed one upgrade next week basically
Am I a piece of shit too? Hehe
minor gust
Yes
shy oyster
praying just at least something for arms st .. im not asking for uber st super buff ..
minor gust
Made a silly Billy mistake
shy oyster
we're just paying a ltitle too much for aoe/cleave ._.
scenic umbra
Have you seen hunters?
scenic umbra
Made a silly Billy mistake
I know i was just hyped i got the bis and commited
I deserve no weap first vault
slender sonnet
i will attack you
You wont
sacred zodiac
youre right you are ahead of me in dps for another 6 days
(lootcouncil clicked me a few times in raid so this might not even be true)
sacred zodiac
i got the funny heart that makes me big and strong
slender sonnet
I've been promised gaze of the alnseer
It didn't drop on nm but it'll drop on HC surely
sacred zodiac
i think thats just supposed to go to warrior anyways cause we have no alternatives while everyone else has alternatives on m+
slender sonnet
real
sacred zodiac
might just be propaganda tho
slender sonnet
warrior prio is never propaganda
sacred zodiac
never wrong to gear someone thats always in the raid
slender sonnet
fossil thistle
Gear the arms warriors so we can stay above tanks
slender sonnet
fossil thistle
Arms war next Tuesday after 35% buff surely
slender sonnet
real
sacred zodiac
I was beating our fury
tell your fury to log out (or get more ilvl its probably an ilvl diff)
ripe oxide
Arms war next Tuesday after 35% buff surely
copium is crazy
fossil thistle
copium is crazy
Copium??
minor gust
I've been promised gaze of the alnseer
Trinket Sims so bad for me rn. I got 2nd boss heart and haste trinket from windrunner spire. Those seem to be the only good trinkets my sims want.
sacred zodiac
idk the fury warrior in my guild beat me on most fights
fossil thistle
Trinket Sims so bad for me rn. I got 2nd boss heart and haste trinket from windr...
Yea I have a lot of trinkets, the rep one and Gale wings simming each all at 250
sacred zodiac
(i too am fury. i was 10 ilvls behind and bad at the video game)
slender sonnet
Trinket Sims so bad for me rn. I got 2nd boss heart and haste trinket from windr...
Im running a droptimiser now
cause I've got 250 wind runner trink
minor gust
My trinkets are 263 and 250 but 263 aln is still a DPS loss
tight wing
i've got 2 crit trinks rn, if they both proc I go up to like 1.1k crit lol
slender sonnet
he's gaming
simple lintel
Found on reddit
tight wing
lol
valid walrus
Found on reddit
How funny is that uh was still above arms, even with latest tuning and they still buffed them again
stable fiber
How funny is that uh was still above arms, even with latest tuning and they stil...
it definitely wasnt above arms prior
slender sonnet
eternal edge
slender sonnet
huh
sacred zodiac
good thing you will not play arms on prog
slender sonnet
watch me
rose ibex
Puzzle box sims well but im too dumb to solve a rubix cube before I spin
minor gust
I got puzzle box yesterday and it didn't sim at an upgrade thankfully but I didn't do any aoe Sims with it
dim basalt
I got puzzle box yesterday and it didn't sim at an upgrade thankfully but I didn...
Are you rocking 2 passive trinkets?
stable fiber
puzzy b gonna go crazy as fury on the dragon boss
fresh spire
I got puzzle box yesterday and it didn't sim at an upgrade thankfully but I didn...
What if I update the apl so it does
I may have cooked last night...
slender sonnet
What if I update the apl so it does
what if I ignore you
minor gust
spring vale
Puzzlebox has that short channel time or am i confusing it with another trinket?
slender sonnet
you love to see it
fresh spire
2 seconds
fresh spire
you love to see it
Apl is missing the manual override lines to allow it to hold and precast
So it's casting during Cs
spring vale
Lmao
slender sonnet
Apl is missing the manual override lines to allow it to hold and precast
dont
say that
it's bad
sim says so
fresh spire
Didn't even notice they vanished
slender sonnet
trust the robot
spring vale
I hate that I cant macro it to other cds without trolling
minor gust
Apl is missing the manual override lines to allow it to hold and precast
Fishy you can't keep doing this to me you already scared me with the other thing last night
fresh spire
Even on aoe it's barely ahead
In passive trinkets we trust
Cdr in avatar makes on use trinkets so awkward.
minor gust
I would prob use puzzle box for keys really cuz box + Colo gonna fuck on some big pulls tho
minor gust
Colo the biggest burst we can do right now soo no shot puzzle box doesn't feel good for Colo aoe. Even if shit don't line up you just keep holding it till you got CDs back. Not that big of a deal in keys
fresh spire
I had it set up to either send with ava/cs or Cs on its own to stop holding for so long
Pretty what ever if you ask me. Ofc that's sustained dps
Current gear is heart puzzleboz
minor gust
What's that heart called with puzzlebox why do I feel like I haven't seen it before
jovial hare
What's that heart called with puzzlebox why do I feel like I haven't seen it bef...
sylvanas trinket
heart of wind I think
stable fiber
oh
jovial hare
ph
stable fiber
not this one
minor gust
Oh current gear nah I just read it wrong
Yeah I have that heart trinket
Using both hearts right now
Was confused by the purple plume trinket
stable fiber
mauga build headahh
jovial hare
damn guys playing mauga over here
stable fiber
damn guys playing mauga over here
ykb
minor gust
That was with puzzlebox
fresh spire
Was confused by the purple plume trinket
Crit in colossus goes hard
minor gust
Oh can you like turn plume into Crit and not mastery
fresh spire
Usually use yellow Plume for St in both but blue seems more valuable to colossus
Ueh
minor gust
Or is that a separate trinket
minor gust
Ahh
fresh spire
Its our new bis now after Gaze nerf
minor gust
Yeah I haven't really looked at the last 2 boss loot
fresh spire
Ye
minor gust
Currently for me nothing beats the two hearts
Will sim again later for updated puzzlebox
slender sonnet
Mid is accurate
dusty summit
Mid is generous :p
worn knoll
Is the puzzlebox cast time castable while moving? Or do you have to plant your feet for it?
rose ibex
Boo puzzle box
olive nest
Yeah lame o trinket but big damage
viscid crater
Based
rose ibex
I refuse to pick up those dumb vessels orbs too
My trinkets must work for ME not the other way around
viscid crater
I dont think you can move while casting it (got it last night but only used it once). It is 16% secondary stat boost though
rose ibex
Take control of your life, warriors
worn knoll
I dont think you can move while casting it (got it last night but only used it o...
Yeah if its not castable while moving then fuck that thing, straight up
Imma just run anything else
rose ibex
I got a hero version of the loa trinket in a delve map last night
Im tempted to use it
minor gust
Used it for a lot of DF it's not bad you just cast it before the tank finishes gathering mobs
rose ibex
It sims terribly but the effects are quite good and it has a low 5s cd
minor gust
Cancer trinkets are the ones that make you do something or pick something up
Will never forgive transmitter in S1 TWW
nova marsh
Used it for a lot of DF it's not bad you just cast it before the tank finishes g...
In DF we also had the bladestorm ava tech
minor gust
I delayed using that shit for so long
viscid crater
Will never forgive transmitter in S1 TWW
Ill take that grudge to my grave
minor gust
In DF we also had the bladestorm ava tech <:okayge:917646812519739433>
Yeah ik but it's not bad it's just a quick cast that you can do before combat really even begins in keys
nova marsh
Transmitter made me wonna die. And I also got told I was spreading misinformation by saying it felt bad to use
rose ibex
At 233 ilvl this thing does at least this
239 Primarystat or 568 Haste
Buffs can also proc back-to-back.
Mine is stronger
latent moss
Yeah ik but it's not bad it's just a quick cast that you can do before combat re...
get used to it again
its bis
since we fixed it in sims
rose ibex
Cancer trinkets are the ones that make you do something or pick something up
Shadowlands ddr trinket
minor gust
since we fixed it in sims
Yeah Fishy was just talking about it
Already have it on champ track at least
latent moss
i got it and it was simming like shit and i found that the puzzy b lines were missing
i added them from some old apl and it skyrocketed
minor gust
So big gonna demolish so hard
latent moss
u mean cleave
minor gust
Errr I mean cleave
latent moss
xaxaxaax
minor gust
Demolish isn't real
daring heron
minor gust
I gotta do lfr still for my last hope at tier
Still cant believe no plate tier in either split
minor gust
I've heard the lfr players love the tik tac toe boss
twilit flare
Met another arms warrior in Raid, this guy rolled perfect 100s on all the good loot. Made me so happy seeing a brother get geared.
minor gust
wind hatch
I've heard the lfr players love the tik tac toe boss
one of my guildies ran into a dps that was taunting the boss and trolling lol
uncut yacht
Met another arms warrior in Raid, this guy rolled perfect 100s on all the good l...
how is dk for young people lol
it's old af at this point
minor gust
See how colosuss fucks on aoe
Def worth playing on pallys
minor gust
one of my guildies ran into a dps that was taunting the boss and trolling lol
Sounds about right for lfr
stable fiber
how is dk for young people lol
people just be saying words
wind hatch
I was lucky enough to get heroic tier this week so I get to avoid the cesspit
untold trench
Met another arms warrior in Raid, this guy rolled perfect 100s on all the good l...
Good old Barok
minor gust
See how colosuss fucks on aoe
Ik my guildies are bad but it was still really funny to see 116k and next highest 80k
twilit flare
how is dk for young people lol
when a class gets hotfixed the same day raid drops, its becasue some child cried too much
minor gust
Cleave go brr on pallys
minor gust
Nah I ran M+ colo
rose ibex
Met another arms warrior in Raid, this guy rolled perfect 100s on all the good l...
This guy gets it
minor gust
They are still 3 target a lot of the time
olive nest
Ik my guildies are bad but it was still really funny to see 116k and next highes...
I would too except I’d be competing with the mm in my guild that did almost 200k on paladins lmao
Arms owns tho!
minor gust
Thankfully our hunter is really fucking bad lmao
He played MM and somehow did no dmg
He was behind that mage
dim basalt
Did you join an AOTC guild or whats going on
rose ibex
Ik my guildies are bad but it was still really funny to see 116k and next highes...
Is that in m0 or in raid?
minor gust
Did you join an AOTC guild or whats going on
Same guild I've always been a part of. You don't really need to be good to get CE
Just do mechanic
Tho I'm thinking this might be my last tier with them
I think it's time I take one of these HOF guild offers
fresh spire
minor gust
I keep getting
fresh spire
Frozonliquid
wind hatch
will they let you otp arms
olive nest
Rank 300-500 is the sweet spot bro
minor gust
Hell naw I ain't that good
fresh spire
Rank 300-500 is the sweet spot bro
Exactly where I am
minor gust
I can def to 100 - 200 hof
fresh spire
Much perfer the more casual aspects of 2 day raiding
olive nest
You still get people who know what they’re doing but you don’t have to raid 5 days a week +6 to get HoF
minor gust
1-100 is prob a bit more work and a bit more of a struggle
dim basalt
I will have to change guild soon and have no idea where I should be applying
olive nest
Much perfer the more casual aspects of 2 day raiding
100%
2 day is bis
Works well for a family person
fresh spire
You still get people who know what they’re doing but you don’t have to raid 5 da...
Critcakes guild is a good example of that. Usually don't do splits and raid 2 days. Just a bunch of gamers
Very passionate raidleader
olive nest
Yeah that’s perfect
minor gust
Yeah can def find guilds like that tho they are rare.
Cuz everyone is obsessed with splits
olive nest
Absolutely not
wind hatch
I kinda want to climb world ranking but I also really don't want to leave my friends
last saddle
just get funneled 2piece from normal
minor gust
I kinda want to climb world ranking but I also really don't want to leave my fri...
Playing with people you like is far more important, but also if your not having as much fun as you used to and wanna try to push up follow that
fresh spire
Been playing in same guild since shadowlands. Still play with a good few that's been around since then. Good times
dim basalt
Ive met more than half my guild irl, 10/10 experience
olive nest
Dokran, my whole 2cents is to never leave your friends unless you specifically desire to achieve Hall of Fame
Guild hopping sucks ass
No doubt about it
minor gust
Guild hopping sucks ass
Yeah it's a feels bad when you hop to a new guild and you don't really vibe with anyone
fresh spire
Couple of nerds getting rats arsed in a pub in London.
minor gust
Makes the experience bad
lyric hound
I’m telling you from personal experience, if you feel like your friends are limiting your progress you need to find a way to separate the 2. Or else the game will cause some rifting
stable fiber
im still friends with people in my old guild
wet zinc
is slayer alright for dungeons? or is it still demolish all the way?
lyric hound
You can have both but you can’t mix the 2 together. You either have to be cool with heroic prog or let your friends be your casual thing and find like minded gamers
dim basalt
You can have both but you can’t mix the 2 together. You either have to be cool w...
Dunno we are all friends and do CE, it works
minor gust
is slayer alright for dungeons? or is it still demolish all the way?
It's gonna do less than Colo but you will do just fine as slayer. Tho if you plan on pushing high keys you will wanna swap to colo
lyric hound
Dunno we are all friends and do CE, it works
Yeah I’m not saying it isn’t possible, yall are just all on the same page. It only takes one subset of friends not to be as driven to cause the rift between a whole guild. Especially if you’re trying to keep things tight knit
minor gust
Oh yeah it's def on a case by case basis
lyric hound
It’s far easier to make new friends then to drive your real friends to try harder or “git gud”
dim basalt
for sure
Here it was more or less a coincidence that the guild became a CE guild
They started barely being able to do the first bosses on mythic
Which tbh is a lot better than most casual guilds already
Because finding 20 people sucks
lyric hound
Yeah I went thru that in Shadowlands. We could barely field 20 and then a quarter didn’t really wanna be there. The ones who aren’t as close as the other blames them then you don’t have a guild lol
It’s awesome it worked out for you, wish it coulda been that way for me lol. It was a lot of fun when it was working
dim basalt
More luck than anything
Im surprised Blizz kept the size at 20 over the years
Surely raiding would be in a healthier place if mythic was 15 instead
lyric hound
I still think it should be 10 and 20. 10m hard modes should have never left.
You can’t merge a 30 man heroic and 20 man mythic. You can merge 2 10 man mythic guilds tho
olive nest
Ehh idk I kinda like the entire mythic community being crammed into the same group size
olive nest
Less than 20 would be better maybe for scheduling reasons
minor gust
Would be awful for balance if there was 10 man mythic
olive nest
But I kinda like big group size ngl
latent moss
I will have to change guild soon and have no idea where I should be applying
lowk just setup ur wowprog and wait for them to come to you
minor gust
There way to many fucking classes and specs in the game all with varying dmg profiles
To make 10 man raiding good
dim basalt
Im confident 15 would work well too
minor gust
lowk just setup ur wowprog and wait for them to come to you
^ this. I usually get 1-2 every tier asking for me to join their guild
lyric hound
The idea that everything must be balanced isn’t really true tho. It’s about creating options. 20 should be the standard. But having 10 be possible is still ideal
latent moss
10 would own in a sense that you could play with ur actual friends and stuff
but would be a nightmare for blizzard
olive nest
Strong argument for it
latent moss
balancing and raid design
dim basalt
Would it make sense to set up wowprog a month in advance
latent moss
all competitive guilds play 10 man
if casters strong rip monks warriors
way too many raidbuffs and stuff
lyric hound
You don’t make it rtwf and you stagger the release. Theres plenty of ways around it. Thats just 2
olive nest
And that is exactly why less than 20 would stink more than you realize
Caster tier Ope well fuck the melee specs I guess don’t need their buffs
lyric hound
If you’re looking to mythic 10 man you aren’t looking to clear the content in the first month. It’s a path for heroic players into mythic content
latent moss
Would it make sense to set up wowprog a month in advance <:monkahmm:138259060043...
well to be honest i dont think a lot of guilds are recruiting rn especially not higher wr
lyric hound
Instead of just making a shitty story mode that is useless lol
dim basalt
well to be honest i dont think a lot of guilds are recruiting rn especially not ...
Probably
latent moss
once they go on farm they will start recruiting like crazy
dim basalt
I dont think a sub 500 guild would recruit me despite good logs just because Ive been in a 1k-1.2k guild for so long
But I could be wrong here
minor gust
Nah just have good logs and ppl will find you
latent moss
ure very wrong
once u get into higher wrs especially if u push keys u wont even have to setup anything they will just ask you
its just networking
minor gust
My guild was like WR 700 and the guild consequence Wr 63 still scouted me out
Just focus on logs and performkng well
dim basalt
Thats crazy
minor gust
They ended up choosing a different warrior tho but tbh was a good decision cuz that other warrior already had a bit of HOF experience
olive nest
Looking for a needle in the haystack
mortal rivet
Anyone been the “dps tank” for crown of the cosmos?
wind bay
How is arms feeling after Tuesday lol
olive nest
Good on one boss
obsidian otter
How is arms feeling after Tuesday lol
feels same just about 6k more damage single target
olive nest
You guys ready to get nerfed because of vanguard
plucky fern
why is arms in the middle we aint gonna get buffed like that
wind hatch
so far fury felt superior on every single fight but i didnt do vanguard yet
it is except for vanguard
slow saddle
Perma fk 3 targets
Imagine 1 op spell with only 1 use good on this particular fight
mortal rivet
So that the tanks can do the swap better?
One of the raid guide videos for cosmos had a melee dps tanking the third add because there’s a pulsing aoe if there’s no tank in range
twilit flare
so far fury felt superior on every single fight but i didnt do vanguard yet
Can’t really be “superior” playing fury over arms bud
Arms felt great
mortal rivet
So I want sure if there’s a better strategy for that boss
slender sonnet
Oh I see
we didn't do that
but I got given a tank wep so I'd imagine if we did that on HC I'd be the chosen one
weak wave
WTF Rouges
slow saddle
WTF Rouges
Sub y
sacred zodiac
Verursachter Schaden
obsidian otter
WTF Rouges
that Havoc should been up there with the Sub rogue honestly lol
weak wave
No, not this Havoc ^^
worldly rivet
Blade flurry lite on sub
plucky fern
so far every rogue ive seen was around tank damage
which is funny because sub literally has 2 buttons now
shouldnt be that hard to play
vapid bay
Sub is very fun, decided to main it this season
rain grail
Guys warrior or dk is better to play now?I want to level up my second class between them
twilit flare
warrior
worldly rivet
so far every rogue ive seen was around tank damage
I have yet to see an assa or outlaw rogue. I see a ton of subs.
rain grail
Always love arms but nowdays too many ppl saying that sucks
twilit flare
so you went into the arms spec discord to say we suck?
rain grail
Not rly
twilit flare
then play arms warrior, simple
rain grail
To give me an advice about warrior 😝
shy dew
aoe isn't bad, but ST is very bad
rain grail
Aha thank you Croft
hushed topaz
Yeah st is terrible, the only reason we look remotely ok in wclogs is because there’s so much cleave in this raid
rain grail
I hope for a buff guys arms is more fun than fury imo
shy dew
considering they nerfed our single like 3 times at row, and removed every single talent who has buffing MS
latent moss
Always love arms but nowdays too many ppl saying that sucks
St is atrocious aoe is good as colo
shy dew
and rage generation is pretty bad at ST
rain grail
I want to see warrior at once meta spec not only prot should be awesome
latent moss
unlucky tactician procs really hurts
shy dew
don't need to be meta, atleast A tier is fine, if they fix ST, rage regen and bring back deep wounds after they nerfed 30% will be decent to play
worldly rivet
I think blizz only addressed it because so many people geared up to play as UHDK.
But it's a problem they created themselves, lol.
rose ibex
Outlaw rogue seems strong in aoe
boreal zealot
if I am reading the guide right, for single target I only touch rend over slam during rotation?and no rend in opener, right? 😮
rotund wharf
Guys I don't know why my rotation is shitty in mono with slayer talent (from wow head)
quick tulip
why is my execute hitting for less than slam, is what i would like to know/
rotund wharf
I pull : trinket, charge, ramp, blades, ramp on CD, then blood,
oh sry i'm on the arm..
olive nest
Cropped out MM on vanguard classic
untold trench
on accident, trust
worldly rivet
is Demo just strong in every single content right now
Arms on top and Elemental on bottom kind of gives a lot away haha
nova marsh
Tbh id love to see hiw vanguard shakes out when we have a better picture and data set
rose ibex
is Demo just strong in every single content right now
Demo is very cleave friendly. At the same time it is also pretty good single target as its basically a dot spec that doesnt need to target mobs (as the pets just kinda do their thing)
minor gust
unlucky tactician procs really hurts
Then you fat finger one execute and now you can't play the game for like 3 seconds
rose ibex
You can stack as many "dots" (pets) as you want on one mob
If target dies the pets damage something else
worldly rivet
Demo is very cleave friendly. At the same time it is also pretty good single tar...
i notice in mythic runs with a demo that most of their damage is coming from abilities that work on their own... fel imp, fel guard, apex summons, hero talent summons etc.
rose ibex
i notice in mythic runs with a demo that most of their damage is coming from abi...
Yeah I bet. Their throughput is through the roof with the apex talents
Whoever designs warlock is usually always knocking it out of the park (we will not speak of malephic rapture)
Good design and loves fun. I leveled one up to 90 for fun and honestly all specs are super fun
worldly rivet
tbf, they could buff reap the storm or CS by 400% and get the same effect haha.
rose ibex
A lot of wrinkles and pain points smoothed out
Tbh arms feels more fun than ever the tuning is just wonky
worldly rivet
I don't think a spec should have that much damage from passives.
rose ibex
Ehhh it'll get tuned down for sure
Its baffling that demo and certain mage specs just got untouched
Something to keep in mind as well is that their whole schtick is to load up on as many minions as possible then drop their Tyrant (who is also buffed by each minion) who extends the duration of all their minions which further extends their passive damage
Like, everything they do is "passive damage"
Because everything outside of demon bolt, implosion, and doom is just minions doing damage
And even demon bolt is basically there so you can get shards faster and drop more imps
warm fog
The bigger issue for demo is that in TWW it took some skill to really sequence all your demons right and get all the resources ready for the tyrant window
They removed what challenge there was and getting a good burst window is now very easy
So now you have a very easy to play tanky caster that gets the best of both pets and dot based worlds
deft gazelle
I've seen enough, nerf arms
worldly rivet
And even demon bolt is basically there so you can get shards faster and drop mor...
just looked at the best parsing demo so far and 45% of damage is from passive procs and 23% from imps that spawn from rotation. Kind of crazy how much their class is tuned around passives.
nova marsh
So now you have a very easy to play tanky caster that gets the best of both pets...
Sounds like evrey spec I've played so far
warm fog
Also gets pretty good visuals and great flavorful transmog
proper moth
Warlock and mage have been the golden children of it wasn’t already obvious😂
worldly rivet
What do you guys think the compensation for reap the storm nerfs to Slayer in .5 is going to be? I can't imagine it is just the BS buff.
latent moss
Then you fat finger one execute and now you can't play the game for like 3 secon...
unbind it
its like 100 dps loss to never press exe on st
as colo m+
minor gust
So true but I like the ahh shit I got nothing to press cuz bad rng but I have a SD proc
worldly rivet
I just hope Slayer isn't dead on arrival. I can't stand Colo.
latent moss
I just hope Slayer isn't dead on arrival. I can't stand Colo.
unlucky
latent moss
I just hope Slayer isn't dead on arrival. I can't stand Colo.
they should give us sd casts stronger ww for slayer
nova marsh
I just hope Slayer isn't dead on arrival. I can't stand Colo.
For .05 it ain't looking too good for that
latent moss
in case of arms cleave
minor gust
Which also applies rend
nova marsh
Yall feel too strongly about a dot
minor gust
Yeah Fishy was telling me about his idea think it might just be too much going on in one button press
Imagine your pressing SD which casts WW which casts slam/HS and rend+ reap proc
worldly rivet
they should give us sd casts stronger ww for slayer
I hate how Blizz communicates changes. You never know what is in the works to replace the damage.
nova marsh
I hate how Blizz communicates changes. You never know what is in the works to re...
Or if theyre even gonna replace it
minor gust
All Slayer desperately needs is just some way for sudden death to do AOE
worldly rivet
Or if theyre even gonna replace it
the 20% BS buff may just be it
latent moss
tbh i dont think fury needs sd casts reap. fury already has aoe execute
arms just needs heavy handed
nova marsh
Honestly I still think just making an st version of reap is the only way to accomplish their goals if reap is hard to tune
minor gust
tbh i dont think fury needs sd casts reap. fury already has aoe execute
Yeah that's why I think they should just do a talent in the spec tree for arms
Aka dragonflight tier set
latent moss
they should just give us heavy handed
rose ibex
just looked at the best parsing demo so far and 45% of damage is from passive pr...
Ill be shocked if they dont get nerfed at some point
minor gust
Like sudden death and AOE is an arms problem. Fury has no problem
latent moss
yeah
worldly rivet
I don't know what caused them to remove the interaction. Is it really problematic for Execute to have interaction with AOE in the execute hero tree?
haha.
latent moss
i never felt like i needed reap on sd as fury
as arms i definitely did
i despised slayer arms in aoe until they gave us reap on sd
minor gust
If sudden, death AOE was in the spec tree then Colossus could have away to get more value out of sudden death
rose ibex
Isnt fury kinda like pre-nerf Spriest where their single target is their aoe and its kind of weird to balance around?
nova marsh
Isnt fury kinda like pre-nerf Spriest where their single target is their aoe and...
Yes
latent moss
ye fury does aoe by cleaving st
rose ibex
But it makes them very consistent in terms of performance because of it
latent moss
there is a decently big penalty cause u have to waste a gcd for casting ww
rose ibex
Where arms is a hodge podge of nonsense shoved into a spec
latent moss
they are just lost with arms at this point
latent moss
sweeping strikes could just be passive and im honestly surprised that it isnt considering the goal of midnight was to prune all specs
arms gained complexity in midnight
minor gust
There's no excuse for SS to not be completely passive with broadstrokes existing
latent moss
yep
nova marsh
sweeping strikes could just be passive and im honestly surprised that it isnt co...
Because they had a vision but people couldn't let go of ava
....and ravager i think?
rose ibex
It has all these legacy warrior features like sweeping strikes and execute and they somehow need to preserve those things while maintaining some kind of cohesive package.
And then the designer has a mental breakdown and goes "fuckit! Nerf everything! Buff cleave to the moon!" Because at least its easy to design and balance around one ability than a bunch of other stuff
latent moss
we basically had no cd
minor gust
Once again reminded arms had potential in alpha when they said a tactician rework was happening and we only had CS + hero tree cd
nova marsh
we basically had no cd
Yes bevause they didnt have time to bake it before they decided to shove ava and ravager back in
worldly rivet
It has all these legacy warrior features like sweeping strikes and execute and t...
which is funny because they have no problem completely baking in abilities like they did with Survival hunter.
latent moss
people have been very negative about arms since df rework
minor gust
Delete ava ravager and bring back battle cry
latent moss
they had more than enough time
minor gust
worldly rivet
they took like 4 abilities and turned them into 2 abilities.
latent moss
arms lost troar and thats it
rose ibex
which is funny because they have no problem completely baking in abilities like ...
Survival hunter is honestly boring. I hated fury of the eagle and loved broomstick but it feels so much more bland to play for some reason
worldly rivet
Survival hunter is honestly boring. I hated fury of the eagle and loved broomsti...
because it is bland now.
it just pumps damage.
latent moss
and troar was a meme in tww anyway
rose ibex
Im glad arms still has a decent amount of buttons in other words
And I hope that doesn't change
latent moss
u just sent it on cd regardless of alignment
latent moss
Im glad arms still has a decent amount of buttons in other words
same
nova marsh
arms lost troar and thats it
Yes but my point is
We didn't get to see what that fully realized version of arms was
latent moss
i like the piano gameplay thats why im playing it
nova marsh
Before they changed course into....whatever we have now
rose ibex
As much as I love my pets and the concept of a melee hunter (and freakin shotguns and explosions) it lost a lot
latent moss
We didn't get to see what that fully realized version of arms was
they had so much time. arms shouldve gotten a rework in tww alpha
worldly rivet
Would you want a choice talent between permanent SS or 25% damage bonus?
latent moss
ik what you mean
nova marsh
Yes but again
latent moss
but im not defending them
nova marsh
people complained
worldly rivet
kind of like agony for affliction (or corruption i forget)
minor gust
Would you want a choice talent between permanent SS or 25% damage bonus?
We already have permanent SS with broadstrokes
nova marsh
I honestly kinda feel like its a portion of the community fault who begged for avatar back
minor gust
It needs to be a choice node of stronger SS or more targets SS
proud iron
worldly rivet
It needs to be a choice node of stronger SS or more targets SS
fair
latent moss
yes but the reason they complained was cause arms didnt have a cd
cs didnt have any power behind it
nova marsh
And that could've been fixed
latent moss
if it had shattered defenses, gave free sd etc
nova marsh
But it wasnt
latent moss
they wouldnt have complained
minor gust
Yeah instead of giving power to CS they said fuck it we don't care enough and brought back avatar
latent moss
thats my point they gave us the alpha iteration that made no sense
rose ibex
The qol they added to arms like the changes to ss and rend are great. Just a shame the only button that deals damage is cleave
latent moss
there was a vision
colo playing ms>slam>op for example
or slayer fishing for op with opportunist
rose ibex
Should honestly just make avatar a mountain thane ability baked into it
latent moss
then they decided to remove everything and give us slightly improved tww arms
rose ibex
Why does my tauren warrior know magic dwarf warrior stuff
latent moss
Should honestly just make avatar a mountain thane ability baked into it
ye avatar is a tank cd not a dps cd
a big problem for me rn with arms is that
they removed all opener rage gen
we are back to sl days where if ur auto gets parried u cant do anything
rose ibex
I would not be opposed to a semi rework of the spec a la like they do with outlaw
latent moss
avatar doesnt generate rage ravager doesnt generate rage
latent moss
cs doesnt generate rage
latent moss
Omg just be behind the boss guys
👍 real
rose ibex
I never have rage issues on slayer
slow saddle
Parry is texture
Failure maketh succes feel the better!!
latent moss
u should try colossus aoe opener with 0 rage
slow saddle
I never have rage issues on slayer
Yes just press keys slower
latent moss
slayers opener is an unskippable cutscene during which u get rage
rose ibex
This
I do like that, while colossus is stronger, slayer is perfectly fine for dungeons
For now...
Spin spin spin spin
worldly rivet
dont worry, blizz is probably thinking of removing the cleave buff during ravager.