arms

[tight wing]

I'd rather play single target in mythic+ if I know there's gonna be a mob that'll hit the tank hard

[flat willow]

that's the definition of a paladin

[umbral badger]

and warriors are 16-20k

[flat willow]

you know arms being garbage doesn't stop unholy from being bad too

[umbral badger]

that's not the point

[bitter escarp]

clearly unholy needs 20% aura buff because warcraftlogs hasnt filtered out pad damage yet

[flat willow]

isn't it? people are saying unholy doesn't deserve a partial revert of the nerf cuz arms is garbage

[umbral badger]

the point is blizzard jumped instantly to talk about how they overnfed Unholydk when arms spent an entire expansion in the bottom and even worse in this next expansion

[dim basalt]

Im just disappointed they made a post solely about uhdk as if dk is their special child tbh

I mean clearly it is

But still

[tight wing]

they got a 7% buff with a bug fix

[bitter escarp]

yeah that was wild, devs must be crying

[umbral badger]

so we are not saying UH does not need love, we are just saying UNholy gets instant statement when arms spent 2 years waiting for one

[flat willow]

well yeah, arms are second class citizen

i thought we were all on the same page here

[blazing estuary]

if you guys dont think they buff things off of popularity idk what to tell you

[flat willow]

just like other casters don't expect the same care as mage

[umbral badger]

i mean literally 3 days into UH nerf and blizzard officially responds, and 2 years as arms not a word lol

[blazing estuary]

the most popular classes are always good

[tight wing]

tell that to the warlocks LOL

[umbral badger]

it's more about pressure, populariy is pressure. and arms warrior players do not apply any pressure they just swap to fury even if they like it much less.

[worn knoll]

idk man at this point I'm so fucking jaded that it wouldn't even surprise me if there was a post-it note at blizzard designating arms as "the pvp spec" and that's why they just don't try too hard balancing it in pve, with all the devs just genuinely confused about "why dont they just respec to fury if they want to pve? are they dumb?"

[umbral badger]

i mean fury spent a good portion of last expansion even better than arms

[flat willow]

I don't think warlock gets nearly as much as mage

[umbral badger]

so even that argument dies when faced with facts

[blazing estuary]

they just reworked unholy it was gonna be a top spec no matter what

[tight wing]

but they expect the same care

[blazing estuary]

if they reworked arms guarantee it would stay top 5 for an expansion

[dim basalt]

They dont receive much but at the very least theyre tuned high

[worldly rivet]

warlocks gets the best looking tier sets

and being able to play any race lol

[umbral badger]

brother we got 2 mini reworks in one expansion and half a rework in this expansion

nothing changed

in fact we were better off with previous expansion design in some ways

[blazing estuary]

@umbral badger you cant actually think unholy rework was even to ours

its a completely different class

[umbral badger]

i hated the mortal strike self reset "20%" chance but i still prefer ot have it back than a demolish that never resets

[worn knoll]

? what argument, i was making a hypothetical as a joke

[worn knoll]

thats exactly what I said?

[umbral badger]

i know, but it's still funny that even in pvp arms was falling behind at some points

it is funny because pvp has it's own balance

and even on a separate different world of balance it was still shit for a while

[unreal mountain]

how far is arms behind then fury in m+? like 10%?

[worn knoll]

Ah right, for sure

[umbral badger]

depends, on AOE arms is actually overpowred, on ST it's doing tank dps

[tight wing]

don't say that they'll nerf our AoE

[umbral badger]

like i am pulling 200k-300k sometimes, my maximum today was 420k

[tight wing]

it's the only thing we got going for us lol

[umbral badger]

but then we get to boss and i am doing 25k

lol

more like 29k but still

[dim basalt]

29k arms beta gamer vs 50k fury chad

[umbral badger]

tried fury for the first time in my life and i was pulling 45k ST without knowing if i am playing correctly ro not

[next sphinx]

When are our mods gonna threaten to take down the warrior discord for attention. Blizzard definetly isnt going to want warrior players to break containment...

[shy oyster]

"you may have me beat at single target, but just you watch... that add slowly moving towards the boss... ohhh boy just you watch!"

[tight wing]

I only do about 900 more DPS in fury, not worth it for the bore of the spec imo

[dim basalt]

Thats not gonna do anything

[umbral badger]

i mean the fact that when i am doing GOOD ST dps cleave ends up being my top dmg dealer is next level funny. it was on that boss with 300% more dmg beam thingy i just poped cds and ravager and used cleave 4 times and it became top dmg by far lol

[next sphinx]

One hour of the fury mains with nowhere else to go but the wow forum will do a lot.

[umbral badger]

should be much more

[tight wing]

I suck at fury lol

like badly

that and ret

[dim basalt]

And make warrior the next meme class right after boomkins and paladins, right

[umbral badger]

i can imaigne, i don't know what i am doing and i do 30% more as fury :p

[tight wing]

in dungeons I actually LOSE DPS going to fury

[next sphinx]

Hey. Boomkins are the OG meme class. Even if people meme them they got attention from blizzard

[umbral badger]

as much of a meme as boomkins are, they have always held the hall of fame for any fights with scattered adds. arms can't even hold that for a sweeping strikes fight LoL

[tight wing]

I can do about 38-42K ST in Arms but only like 27k in Fury -_-

[umbral badger]

if you are playing m+ build as arms you wont' be doing 38k

[tight wing]

I made my own

[umbral badger]

but fury will do 45k even in m+ build

[tight wing]

because I can't stand some of the things they take as arms, but I use the fury build

[shy oyster]

do share your thoughts and adjustments, we only have each other in these trying times 🤷

[slender sonnet]

Not bad

[umbral badger]

well, the thing is your strenght is aoe in m+ now, so as arms you got the choice of empowering your AOE even more or trying to multiply yor non-existing ST @tight wing

for the party it self it owuld be more helpful to play around your strength

[shy oyster]

what fight for these cool numbers 😮

[slender sonnet]

1st boss HC

[shy oyster]

oh sexy

[next sphinx]

What im seeing is nerf hunters

[slender sonnet]

real

Not bad from first raid night

[tight wing]

gotta account for player error, if I fuk up my AoE rotation, it can be more beneficial to adapt to something I'll more naturally hit in any given situation

[umbral badger]

@tight wing the reason i keep saying i hate what they did to arms in midnight is that in TWW we had a very flexible tree where some of the best AOE talents were also the best ST talents, "like the ravager mortal strikes shit"

but now it feels like you eithe go 100% aoe or 100% ST

almost no in between

and ofc the ST is shit

[next sphinx]

Or just be the main character and go against the grain with your own builds.

[tight wing]

there's plenty of in between if you know where to look for it

[umbral badger]

nah, too many points in cleave/cleave related

[tight wing]

like this

[umbral badger]

and we need all of them

[shy dew]

miss so much old dreadnaught

[umbral badger]

what talents were you playing with

[shy dew]

did a lot of dmg, now is just shit

[tight wing]

made for ease of play, not perfection
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[slender sonnet]

I literally only hit adds

[umbral badger]

ahh

i see :p

[slender sonnet]

and made the priest PI me when they spawned

[umbral badger]

understandable dmg to boss for arms warrior on first boss is less than monk tanks dmg to boss

but their overall is decent

[slender sonnet]

yeah real

[shy oyster]

huh! looks interesting. might emulate. id really like even just a smidgen more ST damage for m+ runs

[next sphinx]

Should drop cleave so you have another keybind for a transformation item

[umbral badger]

i expected as much but the entire execute related talents except for executioner are kinda trash sadly

execute it self does less than 25% of a mortal

so it is hardly worth it imo

[tight wing]

yeah but it makes MS hit 70% harder

[umbral badger]

ah that's dmg to boss ?

[slender sonnet]

yup

[umbral badger]

i agree, just saying they need to buff execute so that this trade is worth it

[tight wing]

100% need to buff exe

[shy oyster]

yeah, i want arms to have its big, meaty hits again

[tight wing]

I will be if they keep the .5 patch the way it is rn

[umbral badger]

like i don't waste ravagr on bosses usually but my cleave is better execute than execute lol my cleave crits 50% more than a mortal strike with ravager and all cds on low health boss

so even with executioner cleave is still better than execute it's dumb

[shy oyster]

lmao

cooked

[next sphinx]

Remove execute and bring back condemn.

[shy oyster]

yes ^

or that earthquake from sl

[umbral badger]

didn't play that but ppl told me it was something fun :p

[shy oyster]

why not both!

[umbral badger]

my dream for arms is to get focused rage back

[odd ledge]

my dream is to beat tanks

[umbral badger]

focused rage was THE WAY to get high crits without shitty rng

[tight wing]

Condemn feels weird (I didn't play much of SL though so I never got used to it)

[shy oyster]

old man in farm remembers. 😭

[next sphinx]

Just make arms play exactly like it did in antorus and change nothing ever

[tight wing]

Pepperidge farm remembers

[umbral badger]

was such a cool ability, anyone who played legion ever, if you give them a choice between focused rage and slam, they would choose focused rage 1000 times out of 1000 times

[shy oyster]

😭

[umbral badger]

none will ever choose slam over focused rage

[shy oyster]

either way, this channel wierdly inspires me to just tough it out as arms lmao

[tight wing]

what was focused rage again?

[umbral badger]

consumes rage and grants you a buff which increases next mortal strike dmg

[shy oyster]

that or hearing my raging blow sound like a butt spank for the 10397th time has finally done it

[tight wing]

oh cool, they should add that into slam

[umbral badger]

the way focused rage played was very tactical in some ways it was fun

[tight wing]

but not this

screw this

[shy oyster]

yeah, FR leant into the idea of the spec making that decisive 'hit' that really really hurt

a real bonk

a real smash

[umbral badger]

@tight wing for example you want to mortal strike on CD even if you are not maximum focused rage stacks, but if an add is spawning you can choose to keep stacking to hit the add and the boss with sweeping strike at maximum power

[tight wing]

A kersplat if you will

[shy oyster]

o7

[tight wing]

that'd be nice

[umbral badger]

it was very tactical and i don't even remember why they removed it, they said something back then but can't remember.

[tight wing]

probably had to hold it too long in very niche scenarios

[next sphinx]

"This ability, like heroic strike is to cool and frankly we didnt want you guys to thrive anymore"

Blizzard hates a bad bitch arms warrior having a rage control knob

[tropic crest]

Boys Arms in raid is fun.
And the set will make it more fun

[umbral badger]

based on AI search, it was removed cuz it was hard to balance

and here we are in 2026 , arms is still hard to balance.

i guess nothing changed

i am already at 32% crit in my arms gear

lolz

[shy oyster]

hard to balance my ahh

"arms is doing too much of its own identity... its TOO ARMS!"

heck off

[lyric hound]

idk guys im having fun. we do suck, but im still smoking ppl thru sheer will in m+ and pvp

[tight wing]

yeah unholy still exsists, they got DoTs, Minions, heavy hits, Stacking buffs, ect.

all we got is a stick to smack things with

[umbral badger]

as i mentioned before, our m+ dps is crazy good outside of ST

at least as colossus

[tight wing]

same, just wish I didn't have to try quite as hard to be semi viable xD

[worn knoll]

same reason they nerfed healing reduction in pvp from 50% to 20% (yes I know sharpen blade exists, having that for 6sec every 45sec is not the same thing dont @ me)

meanwhile even with that 50% healing reduction you can have the joy of watching any pvp healer worth their salt go from 15% to 100% in a single GCD

[tight wing]

yeaaaah all healers are kinda just LoH bots atm -_-

[worn knoll]

why yes, I was trying to do the pvp weeklies as arms this week, how could you tell?

[orchid night]

Arms performing well in PvP or is it kinda meh?

[tight wing]

well enough

[worn knoll]

if by "well" you mean "at the bottom of a well" then yeah it's pretty good

[orchid night]

Bummer I love arms pvp over fury

[tight wing]

I'm almost always top 3 and rarely die in BGs wym

[umbral badger]

usually ppl are talking about arenas in this context ;p

[worn knoll]

I literally cannot move anyone's health bar in 3v3 arena

[devout pewter]

my god what is armss

[worn knoll]

my job is to run interference via CC/disarm

[lyric hound]

i didnt have any issues really in solo shuffle. had some long games and some annoying shit happen but i was consistently doing 35ish k end of round. lots of pressure

[tight wing]

ahh yeah I stopped playing arenas after I got yelled at for "not having the right PvP talents" for a variable situation

[devout pewter]

150-200k dps in aoe and just barely tank dps in st, how

[umbral badger]

is bleed as shit in pvp as it is in pve currently ?

[umbral badger]

cuz we have 1 single skill that does dmg

which is cleave

[devout pewter]

yea

[shy oyster]

yeah its aoe central for us atm. dont even bother looking at ur meters in an st fight

in fact, PAY your brethren and party

to NOT look at meters during an st fight

[tight wing]

5c

[shy oyster]

😭

[worn knoll]

oh, I forgot, besides CC/disarm I also apply the 50% healing reduction when my DH buddy calls for it, so he can instantly kill the enemy while I watch from my bedside chair doing 0 damage

[orchid night]

Sad cause I miss those chonky mortal strikes on command

[umbral badger]

if you go to dummies now, use your cleave with ravager on a dummy and use mortal strike. you will notice that cleave is hitting roughly same and up to 20% more than mortal strike when ravager is up. on targets below 35% health it can sometimes hit 50% more and up to double mortal strike dmg

[devout pewter]

yeah it's really sill. I love it and it's fun, but yea gotta really ignore dps in any boss

[shy oyster]

atm just go with the mindset that ur a mower, not a lumberjacker. leave the boss for the other 2 dps 😂

[devout pewter]

ye 😄

[tight wing]

xD

[fervent jackal]

https://giphy.com/gifs/VeeFriends-llama-veefriends-legit-ybl26R43IZPEjng9QE

[tight wing]

Spin2Win, gotta mow

[fervent jackal]

So Fury gets single rarget and AoE. Arms is just AoE... well, that makes a lot of sense

[lyric hound]

but is fury FUN???

[devout pewter]

no

[lone yarrow]

I rolled arms on first boss in the raid, placed 20th on meters, second try swapped to fury and stayed 5th during the whole run xddx but fury is fucking miserable now

idk what they did

it doesn't feel like you do damage with fury, like you do damage but it doesn't feel like it

[shy oyster]

yeah fury is doing the numbers, but the consensus seems like the feeling is............ off

so iguess if you just love numbers, fury is there for you

[lyric hound]

arms feels like ur doing massive yuge damage...then you look and youre below the tank

[fervent jackal]

https://giphy.com/gifs/arrowvideo-FjvZ7sUP0ItwMkNpV2

Two Fury Arms Warriors and a chicken...

[lone yarrow]

I'll grind some ilvl and power through HC on arms until the guild says enough is enough EZ

[shy oyster]

😂

[lone yarrow]

given that they're doing some unholy tuning after patch it's still possible arms will get noticed but holy copium

[shy oyster]

honestly, same. deciding to tough it out cause this discord is fun and the niche builds are inspiring a bit, but gonna be funny when my RL drops a dm :hehe:

[lone yarrow]

just gotta keep that second 2hander close for the moment you need to do a little bit of trickery

[shy oyster]

"i've always been fury you have no proof!"

[lone yarrow]

that's kind of a counter argument that assumes you did zdps as fury and nothing can save you

[tight wing]

looks at logs

[lyric hound]

i look at it like as long as i can play it the more data i can give blizz to tell them its shit and then we get a buff and we all go ape

[shy oyster]

honestly best way tbh. im SURE we're meant to be more than we are rn. im SURE of it.

or is that the alcohol in my bottle

[kindred breach]

they definitely need more data after beta

they'll need more data after s1 too

and then after s2

we'll go through 2-3 more frost dk reworks before we see a 10% buff to arms

[lone yarrow]

so arms saved in classic+ then right

[kindred breach]

confirmed

datamined, in fact

[lone yarrow]

sounds good to me, ahead of the schedule even

[kindred breach]

mortal strike just makes the enemy dc

in pve it makes you dc

[lone yarrow]

ms in pve makes your party's gcd delayed by 3s so you can even out the dps difference

crits delay it by additional 3s

[kindred breach]

what a great suggestion, couple this with battle shout having a 80 minute cd and it will be great gameplay

[lone yarrow]

I assume you meant piercing howl being on a 2h cd for a 5% ms buff

[shy oyster]

we've arrived in the insanity part of hope

[lone yarrow]

I've spent a whole raid playing fury after a good pair of expansions still playing fury

this is beyond insanity

[shy oyster]

one day... one day...

[kindred breach]

horrific visions but instead of nzoth we got arms meta and dk / mage are below prot pal

[shy oyster]

lmao

[kindred breach]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

https://giphy.com/gifs/god-of-war-kratos-6o5IfRXmf2tNi6tZkB

[unborn canyon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/god-of-war-kratos-6o5IfRXmf2tNi6tZkB

[kindred breach]

maybe we need to start the sacrifices in order to receive buffs

[worn knoll]

guys guys maybe I'm schizo but just hear me out.... arms as a melee class but with the evoker tiered charge-up cast times attached to their abilities like vanilla wow's shitty version of slam but, like, actually good

[kindred breach]

you are first in line for the sacrifice

[unborn canyon]

get him

[worn knoll]

NO NO I SWEAR JUST HEAR ME OUT BOIS

TIER 3 COLOSSUS SMASH WITH DOUBLED DAMAGE INCREASE

[lone yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-ares-destroy-my-enemies-and-my-life-is-yours-gif-7965707800203237625

[worn knoll]

yo why yall carrying me up the volcano path

[lone yarrow]

I would not be against a charge up ability but the amount of charge up results in different outcomes

e.g. 1 charge haste buff, 2 charge crit buff, full charge big dam

so you kind of juggle this shit around

[worn knoll]

See that's what I'm saying

[shy oyster]

id be down for it

[worn knoll]

give us some literal wind-up as a tradeoff for a chunkier hit if that's what it takes to give us +50% MS buffs

[kindred breach]

heresy

[worn knoll]

also take this away from shamans and give it to arms

because it'd be funny

[shy oyster]

id give anything to make arms feel like ur charging or building something big to smash with

[worn knoll]

like the reinhardt ult in overwatch

[unborn canyon]

just give us a 30% aura buff, i dont care if cleave and ms are wonky rn, i just dont want to hit like a paper towel

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-ares-destroy-my-enemies-and-my-life-is-yours-gif-7965707800203237625

[kindred breach]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-ares-destroy-my-enemies-and-my-life-is-yours-gif-7965707800203237625

[worn knoll]

I just wanna state for the record, ff14 uses the "melee with cast time abilities" model for their samurai class and it feels fucking great to play

it may be heresy but it's the truth

[rare kite]

idk no class feels good in ff14... game feels so clunky

[tight wing]

I don't like sam, but I like Dragoon

[worn knoll]

well yeah it's gonna feel clunky because of the 2.5sec GCD, but full-sending your burst as samurai feels good regardless

going from wow to ff14 felt super weird and I never got used to it tbh

[livid cloak]

i've been traveling a lot today and haven't checked the discord much - any consensus non-wowhead builds to try in the raid?

anything taking cleave that's working well or just going with sweeping?

[halcyon valve]

The longer you charge up demolish the more it wrecks ass

[tight wing]

empowered spell

[deft kraken]

Arms buffs finally! Oh wait, nope, those are hot fixes because UH was mid tier for a day.

[worn knoll]

I'm ngl, when they announced empowered spells being added I was very surprised that they were basically exclusive to evokers, I was expecting blizz to add one or two spells with that system to at least some of the classes, and definitely expected arms to get something with charged stages and big payoff

but meh

[unborn canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hate-you-anakin-star-wars-gif-10358450

[stable fiber]

honestly i dont think this is a bad idea

charged big hits

[worn knoll]

at least for colossus smash or demolish would be fun

[deft kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/anxiety-gif-25166120

[halcyon valve]

The duality wow devs

[worn knoll]

something on a cooldown but with a large enough payoff to make that cast time a moment of anticipation rather than boredom

[unborn canyon]

[tight wing]

for fks sake

[unborn canyon]

i just want arms to not be agony on the numbers side

[tight wing]

WHY did they need a buff they were still top 4(ish) T-T

[halcyon valve]

40% aura buff where

[halcyon valve]

They are the chosen ones

[unborn canyon]

clearly

[lyric hound]

Bro wtf lol. That is unreal.

[tardy hare]

https://imgur.com/a/uzcYX52
mhm mhm AllGood

[tight wing]

it's not even a small buff

[wary steppe]

Colossus needs redesign imo

They can’t balance it for both aoe and st

[tight wing]

everything needs a Redesign now

[paper tendon]

so colossus is better than slayer for m0?

[halcyon valve]

Unholy: got a surface level scratch
Blizz: oh no, you poor baby, here, take everything i have :(

arms: impaled on a large metal spike, clinging to life with whats left
Blizz: stay down, bitch

[lyric hound]

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-1997-season-2-fan-pilot-berserk-guts-walking-through-the-rain-raining-scarred-edgy-gif-17139678360336250459

[unborn canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[summer niche]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-star-wars-sad-crying-skywalker-gif-12607558

[eternal edge]

i give everything on raid just to see afk frost mage dealing more dmg than me

[nova marsh]

They were not lmao

Espically not for raid

[abstract cairn]

is arms still dogwater in dps? or the buff they put this week solved some issues?

[unborn canyon]

even if they werent

they deserve it

dk been meta for 3 seasons now

[nova marsh]

Udks damage profile is actually horrendous in this raid

[unborn canyon]

frost then unholy then frost again

someone has to be last place

[tight wing]

and still at least twice as good as ours -_-

[nova marsh]

Warrior isnt a real class to blizzard

[summer niche]

Wrong chat for this go talk with the fury players we arms players are already cryin

[nova marsh]

Chief im crying qith you

I hate dk

No fucking damage outside of cds whatsoever

[proud iron]

With yesterday’s tuning pass, it’s clear that Arms performance raised further than intended. Today, we’re working on a series of adjustments and bugs for the spec.

[oak kite]

man unholy buffed already after spending 2 days of being stronger than arms 3times. back to usual 5 times again. what a fucking shitshow.

[unborn canyon]

like, it has to be a joke at this point

[nova marsh]

Yes arms is a joke at this point

[summer niche]

True thats why I never really loved dk even tough I craved to play dk when I was a kid

[nova marsh]

Im stuck on it cuz I geared my frost before realizing how awful it felt

And now im stuck on it for a season or until we get winds at the end of s1

[summer niche]

Big d dps every 45secs for 5 secs and then going below 40k in st is great hahaha

[fresh spire]

Arms suffering for fury success

[proud iron]

fury “success” is still not even in the middle

[nova marsh]

I mean frost is better then udk in that regard. Actual tank spec outside if army

[nova marsh]

You mean for fury success last expansion

[fresh spire]

Looking at current logs. I wouldnt be surprised if fury takes a nerf next week just because its padding hard

[dense sphinx]

arms is so unloved

[fresh spire]

[rare kite]

looking at logs that isn't true

[nova marsh]

We repeat the same thing as tww s1?

[fresh spire]

[summer niche]

You got plenty of time to gear another character, I heard that ret palas tend to cry whenever they‘re not S tier but when u play it yourself your topping the dps charts

[rare kite]

but you are allowed to believe that if you want mr maelz

[fresh spire]

Warrior still to this day suffering because of ansurek

[rose ibex]

Make the swap, dude. Just go for it. Better earlier than later

[summer niche]

The Queen Ansurek Incident

[nova marsh]

....ya know what

Maybe ur right and I go rogue for now

[rose ibex]

I was playing sv hunter at first and i got bored of it fast

[fresh spire]

More like the rashnan incident

[rose ibex]

It had flashy new abilities but I realized fast that the rotation was way more boring

[summer niche]

U dont need to be 250 ilvl just go for around 230-240

[nova marsh]

My dk is 240

[rose ibex]

Ended up making like 6 different alts to decide what to play before settling on feral and arms

[rare kite]

fury fun right now(thane atleast) and it's pretty strong @nova marsh

[worn knoll]

with how midnight has been going i'd say arms is feeling more like post-eclipse casca than guts ngl

[nova marsh]

Im still on not being a big fan of fury after maining it for like....6 years

[summer niche]

Thats like 2 days of M0, some prey hunts and maybe a delve or two rn

[rare kite]

but going rogue tho... idk man

[rose ibex]

I enjoy the fast pace of fury but I like having more than less buttons

[summer niche]

Isnt rogue like super easy to play and actually strong rn?

[nova marsh]

Part of me is saying fuck it stay with dk for the brez

[rare kite]

tbf i was to play anything not warrior i would play feral. feral fun

[nova marsh]

The other part of me wants to not tickle shit outside of cds

[tight wing]

DH Here

[summer niche]

My guildie said that feral is also doodoo rn

[rose ibex]

Fury also does something to my brain where im just hyper focusing on getting as many rampages out faster and faster and I stop paying attention to floor death

[rose ibex]

With engineering..... any class can have brez :D

[rare kite]

in dungeons it's pretty good. yea in raid it's unfortunate...

[rose ibex]

My rogue buddy regularly brezes and brings drums

[rare kite]

i played dh in manaforge. was fun for like 2 weeks and then i missed warrior, devourer not fun for me

[umbral gyro]

Hey hows arms doing in raid today?

[summer niche]

Thats why we are warrior players…the feeling on each warrior spec is nothing like other classes. It feels mighty and strong as long as you dont look at dps meters

[summer niche]

Shit

Dog water

Dog

Shit

[nova marsh]

Tree ass

[rose ibex]

Feral is much simpler to play but it is still very fast paced between periods of chill moments

Old feral mains hate it

[tight wing]

I can play either havoc or Devourer

so at least I got options unlike with war -_-

[rose ibex]

But its honestly not bad if you enjoy proc based gameplay and big long ability combos

[summer niche]

Thats why hes gearing his ret pala rn

[rose ibex]

Imagine going from feral to ret

One of the silliest most complicated specs to ret

[unborn canyon]

its a crime against humanity

with how bad it is

[umbral gyro]

Rly that Bad? O. O

[unborn canyon]

tanks do as much damage as arms

[umbral gyro]

Hm rip

[rose ibex]

I reaaaaally enjoy the sound design on prot and arms, and the piano gameplay on both specs

[pulsar elk]

nah its not that bad according to warcraft logs

at least if ur above 90 percentile and doing heroic lol

[rose ibex]

Im ok being a mid spec if its more fun than other specs but I aint no hyper sweaty mythic raider

[pulsar elk]

8th aint bad

[oblique falcon]

Guys I main arms and alt Ele shaman

Help

[nova marsh]

Ele is now ur main

[rose ibex]

Enh is now your main

[oblique falcon]

See the graph above

[tight wing]

I don't have an alt leveled

[oblique falcon]

Arms is about 10 spots ahead of Ele

[pulsar elk]

@nova marsh will never say anything positve about arms id ignore him

[nova marsh]

Oh yeah no go enhance pmafo

[rose ibex]

Ngl enh is really fun

[oblique falcon]

Already spent my sparks on Ele staff lord help me

[nova marsh]

I'll say something positive when the spec overall isnt in a terrible state

[rose ibex]

I had trouble deciding what to play but I ultimately settled on spin to win and big thick weapon

[pulsar elk]

@nova marsh why u ignore statistics lolol

[nova marsh]

Skill issue i cant read

[summer niche]

Ye I like it too but sometimes I hate it that we are HIGH EFFORT. Low REWARD on dps specs

[nova marsh]

Chief

[pulsar elk]

skill issue is ull never be near 90th perecentile so those values dont matter to you xD

[nova marsh]

Do you need to ping me 50 times a second

[summer niche]

Mf palas can play with their fists

[nova marsh]

I mean youre not wrong

[tight wing]

yes

[summer niche]

I need to play beethoven infront of 200000 people

[nova marsh]

Why are you like this

[pulsar elk]

apparently since u just ignored wcl stats and continue to trash arms lol

[nova marsh]

Look

Actually wait

Do you seriously think one day of a raid is good, accurate data?

[pulsar elk]

i think its the best we have

yes

[rose ibex]

We can blame the devs, the numbers, the rotation, or the patch, but ultimately it is our choice what to play and we must take responsibility for that choice...
... and no way in hell am I playing a filthy mage until ogres get added to the game

[nova marsh]

Sorry, Id say its inconclusive at best

The pool of data is very small

[tight wing]

lol

[nova marsh]

Yes its the best we have

[pulsar elk]

lmao okay but we should definitely trust your feelcraft after playing like shit and coming here to rant

xD

[nova marsh]

....dude youre just being a dick

Sorry fuck off

[pulsar elk]

someone asked how arms was in raid, #8th is the answer, not reroll

youre the one spreading negativity

[nova marsh]

????

You are singling me out

[rose ibex]

Chill folks

[nova marsh]

When like 3 other people relied with the same thing...

Literally a guy

[pulsar elk]

cuz everytime i check this channel ur active in here.. saying nothing positive about the spec lol

[nova marsh]

Sorry I want change

Sorry im not happy but apparently expressing that at any time is not allowed

[rose ibex]

I mean its not just him. You get randoms coming in just to say negative stuff all the time

[worn knoll]

guys what did blizzard mean by "does not align with other similar effects" if stampeding gives double the speed for double the duration?

[summer niche]

Because there is nothing positive about our single target damage

[rose ibex]

Its the same in every discord

[pulsar elk]

raid performance > sims

[rose ibex]

Every single one complains about something

[pulsar elk]

like cmon

[nova marsh]

This is not a conversation worth continuing

[rose ibex]

Ret got so bad because they werent top of the top that they shut down their own discord lol

[nova marsh]

If you think one day of data from wrek 1 is conclusive im sorry

[pulsar elk]

think its more that piecing howl hass been a slow since vanilla so they felt wierd about making it a short CD speed boost , idk tho

[stray vessel]

is a hint??

[rose ibex]

Nah that's weak

Weak paladin energy

[pulsar elk]

im saying its better to base your assumptions on the spec on actual raid data then sims

[rose ibex]

Do not succumb to such pathetic doomer tactics

Be a strong muscly warrior

[summer niche]

The only thing saving us in raid rn is that the bosses spawn some cleave targets

[nova marsh]

And both are currently ass

[pulsar elk]

so whatever ur feelcraft + sims is telling you, WCL is the only true source

[rose ibex]

Raid shmaid. Data shmata. Hit stuff til dead or don't

[pulsar elk]

ass

[devout pewter]

and yet if a specc feels shit, it's shit, no matter hwo good it actually performs

[summer niche]

🦁

[viscid crater]

What happens if you change it to damage to bosses?

[rose ibex]

Play something else if you think its shit. Simple

[worn knoll]

but when it was a 30 sec cooldown vs stampeding's 60sec, it was literally perfectly balanced is what I'm saying

[summer niche]

📉

[pulsar elk]

yeah not good

but does that really matter

[devout pewter]

so, shit

i mean yes?

[pulsar elk]

why

[rose ibex]

In a few weeks that ranking is gonna look different

[devout pewter]

because bosses are a huge part

[pulsar elk]

dps meter + parse is including add damage who cares about boss dmg lol

[rose ibex]

In a month or so itll look even more different

Nothing matters

[tight wing]

damage to bosses, in a raid, where you kill bosses, and basically only bosses? yeah kinda

[timid elk]

It isn't only bosses RN though is his point

[pulsar elk]

bruh are u fr lol what about adds that need to be killed or you wipe

if u look at boss damage over just parses then idk what to tell u lmao

[tight wing]

they die too fast lol

[timid elk]

If we had a raid full of patchwerk then yeah ST matters a whole lot more in overall raid performance

[versed lagoon]

won't lie arms feels fucking so good in M+

[rose ibex]

I think its real fun

Rend being aoe is such a nice qol

[summer niche]

Always has the past few seasons

[pulsar elk]

yeah any multitarget and im loving it, the 4x cleave after a colo smash is extremely satisfying

[lyric hound]

i think @pulsar elk is makign solid points tbh. the spec plays pretty fun. it is the spec you want to play. master it and you can do well.

[versed lagoon]

The cleaves feel unreal now

[rose ibex]

Yeah they strong

Big muscle swings

[summer niche]

Cracking 200k in nice pulls feels great

[versed lagoon]

also, the feeling on being bottom of the meters, pressing demolish and skyrocking to the top is incredible

[pulsar elk]

righhhtt

[rose ibex]

Single target is ass but tuning isnt over yet

[worldly rivet]

With the bug fixes and buffs to UHDK... did they just make it stronger than pre-nerf?

[summer niche]

I dont think so

[tight wing]

not quite

[pulsar elk]

im willing to compromise on ST when it means our aoe and cleave is as good as it is tbh

[lyric hound]

at the end of the day the sim plays perfect. wcl is as close as youre gonna get to real world output excluding padding (we have to lol)

[pulsar elk]

just maybe not so dramtically lol

[rose ibex]

Also if we are truly terrible we get to make fun of the friends who do worse than us

[viscid crater]

This

[pulsar elk]

like rn patchwerk with my current gear sims 60k on fury vs 42k on arms that just feels disrespectful, even if simming and ST isnt everything

like cmon lol

[rose ibex]

I dont feel bad at all though in dungeons. Haven't raided yet outside LFR

[summer niche]

Compromising on that much ST is still not fun because most other classes also crack high aoe but still have great ST output

Lets just wait and see

[tight wing]

yeah but the problem is, the more boss damage we have, the faster fights are over so us having very little means we get to just sit there and basically cheer on our raid group without contributing much to the speed of the kill

[pulsar elk]

yeah very true, like ret just got some changes that helped with their ST and nerfed their AOE because of the disparity they had, im like wtf is the arms developer doing if theyre fine tuning ret like that

[tight wing]

this

[pulsar elk]

cuz the cleave vs st disparity in arms is probably the most dramatic ive ever seen

[shy oyster]

yeeee, lets all just doomer for fun and memes. ideally, we'd love some more st to go with our great aoe and cleave. that might be what we're getting

do not despair yet!

[rose ibex]

Still get loot tho

[versed lagoon]

i mean

[tight wing]

not with my luck xD

[versed lagoon]

if adds die to fast

please need to spec into more ST

let arms have their niche right

[viscid crater]

I just feel like I am kind of trolling on dungeon bosses, and I worry its going to feel real bad on tyrannical bosses

[rose ibex]

Yeah in theory. Im still wearing pvp pants :(

[pulsar elk]

yeahh well see how it plays out with fight durations getting shorter too, usually thats not great for arms

long execute phases have helped us in the past

[tight wing]

I need a weapon

[rose ibex]

Its gonna feel awful but do not give up if the buttons are fun to press. More tuning will come

[shy oyster]

eh, would you tho? if its an issue on thiccer bosses, it just means you got there really really fast with your immense aoe/cleave. it kind of balances it out

[summer niche]

But execute phases dont save us rn or does it? even if we have enough time

[pulsar elk]

lol tbh if its a purely st fight i try to swap to fury before pull since its m0 xD

[viscid crater]

I don't raid at all so all my worries are m+ only concerns

[kindred breach]

https://giphy.com/gifs/brown-ambush-galaxy-brain-synced-minds-yZJ2SPAnKqlmXOYmyt

[pulsar elk]

the dmg difference is just so dramatic, if i sweat and pump as hard as i can in arms i might push 40-50k, with fury you just open up with 80k and settle to 60 lol

[summer niche]

Then you dlnt have to worry rn

[pulsar elk]

so unfair

[rose ibex]

Im debating whether to get someone to craft a weapon and near bankrupt myself or save the sparks for other things

[rose ibex]

The only place that matters

[tight wing]

I need to craft one, but I used my sparks to craft bracers for engi reasons

[pulsar elk]

can you even upgrade the crafted weapon past 259 yet?

[tight wing]

no

[rose ibex]

Im an engi too. Are the bracers useful this expansion?

[pulsar elk]

ooo so if you get a hero wep from your hidden trove youre godmode

fun

[tight wing]

got em for the embellishments we can get like lil meddy

[rose ibex]

Yeah ima do delves tonight. Test my luck before I actually craft anything

[pulsar elk]

i got hero shoulders and used my catalyst on it was pretty happy with that

[rose ibex]

Are there cool ones? Ill take a dps loss if I get to fill the screen with wacky shit

[pulsar elk]

the loa ring is pretty cool i think

[tight wing]

theres an ankh, Invis, and a flamethrower that all look pgood

[rose ibex]

Haha flamethrower

[shy oyster]

is the upgrading to hc crafted wep blocked by not being able to get the recipe yet or

[rose ibex]

Invis might be cool to have for rbgs

[pulsar elk]

theres a ring that just acts as a third trinket

[tight wing]

crests

[pulsar elk]

how strong it is idk tho

[viscid crater]

I had a 276 version crafted for my brewmaster this morning but I havent gotten to test it out yet with the different gems

[rose ibex]

Can you activate flamethrower while bladestorming?

[shy oyster]

ohhh ty

[pulsar elk]

i got the second embellishment to buff it but yeah i only have like 3 gems rn

[tight wing]

not sure, I never got the recipe cuz I f'd up my points so I have to wait a week to start getting recipes from recycling

[rose ibex]

Ive been neglecting it. I really got to get on that

Is it true the engi pieces have double of a single secondary stat?

[tight wing]

it looks like it

[rose ibex]

Badass

[rose ibex]

I like that

Makes them kinda cool

[tight wing]

yeah

[slate talon]

hi guys , what embelishment are best for pvp ?

[hushed pine]

We're so back

[quaint otter]

still not far from actual tank damage

[tight wing]

this was sad

[quaint otter]

and highly likely took a ton of time

[tight wing]

bout an hour

and it was just heroic xD

[quaint otter]

i dunno protpal has some monstrous aoe burst yikes

easily did over 200k as 230

meanwhile warrior

pull bigger = death

[tight wing]

nah I can take almost anything

but I sac damage for surv

[quaint otter]

i ran colo pwar

and it was heavy depression

🙁

after protp and brew

[tight wing]

I run thane because I hate colo xD

and slayer in arms for the same reason

[upper sparrow]

Demolish is dogwater

[quaint otter]

the problem is

yes

demo is dogwater now

and thanes main ability does a lot damage + rage + def value

meanwhile demo 😴

[flint cedar]

Quick question brothers... DOUBLE Arcanoweave on BIS Wrist and Cloak?

[tight wing]

that sounds right, but I'm not sure

[slender sonnet]

what embell empowers darkmoon sigils now

[tight wing]

I don't think there is one

[slender sonnet]

Oh

holy shit

[hybrid needle]

Damn, das cheap

[tight wing]

you're kidding right?

[hybrid needle]

U tell me

Wrong screenie

[tight wing]

still not that cheap, but better at least

[hybrid needle]

Enchants on max lv are 20k currently. AH crafters having the time of their life

[tight wing]

yeah it kinda sucks if you're broke like me

[hybrid needle]

Just dont enchant anything before hero gear 🤷‍♂️

[tight wing]

I can't even do that lol

[nova marsh]

Do the world events?

[hybrid needle]

Is that your gold

[tight wing]

yes

[tight wing]

I have been lol

[nova marsh]

Oof

Yeah I feel ya

[hybrid needle]

Play pvp and sell recipes or something. What in da world is that

[nova marsh]

I still miss legacy raid loot being good gold. Amdrassil didnt seem too bad

[nova marsh]

Id rather transmog farm on moon guard

[hybrid needle]

Work 1 hour at mcdonalds and buy 300k gold

[tight wing]

I miss when we could get BoEs from raid

[nova marsh]

I miss wod bfa and legion when gold was easier to get

🙁

[tight wing]

true

[nova marsh]

Actually

Shadowlands too

[tight wing]

thats when it was nerfed

there was a great farm out on the isle of wardens in legion that got nerfed with SL

[hybrid needle]

And then there is people like magicruz with 9 billion gold or something

[tight wing]

I've been saving augment runes to sell for MDI/RWF

I've got 17, just waiting for prices to go up a bit

[hybrid needle]

Where are they at rn?

[tight wing]

~1.1k

[hybrid needle]

Theyve been at 1.4 yesterday iirc

[nova marsh]

Yes but callings + weeklies were great

[tight wing]

it's about the same price as yesterday on my realm, maybe like 30g cheaper

it's gone up by 2 gold since ~10 mins ago

[hybrid needle]

Its EU wide since its stackable

[tight wing]

yeah I'm NA so

[hybrid needle]

Well its NA wide then

[jolly lily]

Yo guys

so blizz felt bad for unholy

what about our legs spec

[tight wing]

scroll up lol

there was a good rage about it

[jolly lily]

🤣

[tight wing]

this is insane btw

[slender sonnet]

Druid and warrior both 249 now

Let’s gooo

[tight wing]

I only have 1 90 xD

[slender sonnet]

I haven’t done anything on my mage yet today

Oh I logged out as prot on my warrior

Still using a 207 shield so only 246 on prot

But my druids had 2 WB pieces now

Legs and an offhand

[nova marsh]

Early xpack chants always are

Also don't buy r3 yet

[high sable]

This might seem like a silly question but do any of you have any hints on how to better remember to put Rend up at start of combat?

I hate to have it on my CDM as it doesn't track duration on the CDM HUD, only cooldown.

Or is it just muscle memory that I am lacking so far?

[smoky jungle]

Definitely muscle for the start, every time after is gonna be watching the timer

[high sable]

I figured that would be the case. WAs made it very convenient to show a glow when it wasn't up so I wouldn't forget.

Thanks!

[nova marsh]

Try some time on dunnies

Always helps build muscle memory

[smoky jungle]

Do recommend making a TellMeWhen if you want some old functionality of WA's

+1 on workshopping on dummies

[languid torrent]

is logs like bricked?

[high sable]

oooo I haven't used TMW since Legion. I'll have to take a look at it now!

[smoky jungle]

Definitely! Make sure that the Blizz CDM is on, but then after, you can make a mostly working TMW

[high sable]

Literally had no idea TMW was still being developed. Got a nifty little out of combat Rend icon for hostile units now. Thanks for the tip!

I figured I was making the right decision to main Warrior this expac from seeing this community

[smoky jungle]

No problem at all! If you have any questions about it, just ask

[mighty bridge]

so arms is non functional for the entirety of midnight so far but they felt bad that unholy was no longer top 1?

[hybrid needle]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[smoky jungle]

Where's the Arms Warrior coffin gif when you need it

[tight wing]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

[smoky jungle]

Bless

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-coffin-dance-bad-coffin-dance-coffin-dance-coffin-dance-gif-17177441

[tight wing]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[nimble roost]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[minor kraken]

Close the discord/ channel

blizz are a bunch of jokers

[nova marsh]

Na guys

Sandbag

Till they cant ignore us

[trim pike]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[lime ruin]

yo

yo yo yo yo yo why is Arms so shit

one of you fix this

[shy dew]

well, the only way to fix it, its someone being billionaire and buying blizzard

[surreal whale]

Does the rotation priority change with 2 stack op off cooldown or still hs/execute over it?

[vast helm]

so true

arms where?

[nova marsh]

Thats actually hilarious

[nova marsh]

Give me 80 billion dollars

Shit wrong reply

[wind hatch]

I literally have a priest saving every single PI for me and I'm still getting mogged

[nova marsh]

That priest must be a great friend

[wind hatch]

I'm giving him gold to do it :)

[nova marsh]

Oh nevernind its just bribery

[minor gust]

Just dont have 2 priests PI you

[languid torrent]

dude

there is like 20 of us

[vast helm]

where are ours Arms rescue?

[languid torrent]

you dont need to go that hard

[nova marsh]

That means he must go hard

To prove to others that arms still has ir

[languid torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-meme-shrek-gif-26228171

[nova marsh]

Damn

[hushed pine]

WHY ARE WE DOOMPOSTING, WE STILL GOT IT

WE'RE

STILL

IN THE GAME

[nova marsh]

[torpid otter]

GOAT

[nova marsh]

Wait

The rest of the group is sandbagging! But he did so well hard carry!

[hushed pine]

They're all 250 and so am I lmao

I'm just an Arms Warrior, and all I do is pump and make gains

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[nova marsh]

Holy shit that makes it worse

[wind hatch]

To be fair, he's the one who suggested the idea to me

[hushed pine]

the Psychic Link nerf is so noticeable

[wind hatch]

and he's not even charging that much lol

[grave mulch]

what did UH DK lock the discord down to get buffs?

[languid torrent]

might be the 12th arms warrior to kill dragons

[vapid spire]

Was almost the 13th then

[languid torrent]

update!

[oblique falcon]

Anyone got some arms logs to share? My alt is Ele and things looking real dire for that class

[languid torrent]

brother do i got news for you

[wind hatch]

Huge

[languid torrent]

LOL

[oblique falcon]

Cannot be worse then Ele atm

[languid torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-the-agents-know-dont-gif-18536773

give it a week

[vapid spire]

We have bad tuning

[wind hatch]

There's still a lot of tuning to be done, I wouldn't worry about meta too much currently unless you're really pushing content

[vapid spire]

But there's several classes that have it too

[languid torrent]

ele unironically just needs shit to not die instantly

as someone who mained it all last xpac

[oblique falcon]

Ele has horrific cleave damage now

[languid torrent]

heroic week makes ele look awful

[oblique falcon]

And most fights have cleave

[languid torrent]

SB is pretty good at cleave

tempest cranks

[oblique falcon]

We’ll see with tuning but I’m probably just gonna send it as arms regardless

Maybe blizz will rescue us too, right guys?

[wind hatch]

[oblique falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[wind hatch]

I'm really enjoying arms in raid right now even though it's kinda weak

[languid torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-joever-frog-it's-frover-it's-over-meme-gif-297867383892280262

on pallies arms feels awesome

holding like 110k at 60% wipe

[wind hatch]

watch them nerf cleave next week

[languid torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/enough-thats-enough-gif-3832670150670325492

[oblique falcon]

And buff mages

[minor gust]

My priests didnt rob me this time

[hushed topaz]

The problem is arms is ONLY cleave

[oblique falcon]

Is colossus or slayer the go to for m0s atm?

[wind hatch]

colossus

[oblique falcon]

And slayer for most raid fights?

[languid torrent]

i messed around with slayer but honestly colossus just felt better

and yea slayer for basically everything but pallies

[dense sphinx]

i did colossus on first boss felt ok there too

[wind hatch]

You lose so much boss damage though

As the adds start dying faster and faster I think slayer will be better

[dense sphinx]

yeah true

i play in a casual friends guild so add dmg isnt good 😄

[wind hatch]

yeah if that's the case you can crank the adds and get huge damage

[languid torrent]

🥛

get to millk them adds

[oblique falcon]

Are ya’ll crafting weapon with your sparks this week or saving sparks?

[fossil thistle]

Someone told me this shows your kill ranking for the #/4000, i find it hard to believe i'd be 4000/4000

is that just "How many have done it" tracker?

[dense sphinx]

yea

[fossil thistle]

Thought so

[twin sedge]

arms fixed now?

[jolly lily]

im smelling a 50% MS buff this week

[fossil thistle]

Value? It sims 1 dps difference with my Heart of Wind, I assume its simming only single proc, not group with them (Which could have multiple instances overlapping with best/worst secondaries?)

[umbral gyro]

Hows arms doing in raid atm?

[fossil thistle]

Fine-ish? middle of the pack

Most fights allow us to cleave so

[twin sedge]

how is arms in dungeons tho

[elder zealot]

Probably okay for trash, terrible on bosses

[twin sedge]

oh

[brisk briar]

Hey folks. Do we ever want to throw Heroic Strike out with sweeping with more than two targets, or just let the cleave slam proc take care of it?

[twin sedge]

so ST still terrible?

[oblique falcon]

Improved from the buff, but yeah still bad from my understanding

[nova marsh]

tbh

the entire game's tuning is kinda....not good

[vapid spire]

Yeah, their overall class balance is trash right now

[nova marsh]

Kinda just a wait and see here

This xpack's balance overall is probs not gonna go well

[fossil thistle]

First tier is rough.
Number squish, major changes, apex talents, removal of some rotational things.

It’s a large change, which should’ve been tested longer on beta tbh

It’ll level out I hope by S2

[nova marsh]

That's the hope yeah

They gave themselves WAYY too much

But

They don't seem to be slowing down with large changes and blizz admitted they are unhappy with the current state

[worldly rivet]

I've noticed it procs a ton

[inland heron]

hi do we not use rend in st?

[nova marsh]

Yes we do use rend

[inland heron]

thanks

and we hold bladestorm for smash?

[boreal remnant]

if it's like 10s or so to come up then you can hold

[minor gust]

better to always hold for cs thats also what the apl does

[dire hinge]

really with the Slayer capstone just kept them in sync, but such is things

[spark harbor]

Is slayer viable at all in PvP I see most taking colossus

[dire hinge]

i'd ask over in #pvp , this channel is more PvE focus

[spark harbor]

my b ty

[dire hinge]

hey no worries! Doesn't bother me any, just want to make sure you get accurate answers ❤️

[dire hinge]

I didn't see anyone answer you here, but yes you still use it in AoE, it's just very low priority. It's basically like this: (oversimplifying, just to demonstrate)
Rend (if missing) > Sweeping > Major CDs > Demo > Cleave > MS > Rend (pandemic) > Overpower(s) > Sudden Death procs > Heroic Strike

Luckily, Cleave's Fervor of Battle procs will spend HS for you, so you never have to worry about it in AoE

[slow saddle]

I mean whole point of cleave sendin hs for us is this?

[dire hinge]

yeah, FoB sends it for you

but can't proc it

was yapping, lemme fix

[nova marsh]

Okay

Paladin boss actually looks cool as fuck

[wind hatch]

I think I like it more than soul hunters

[nova marsh]

Didn't play MO

So can't really compare

[minor gust]

Just like soul hunters they refuse to stay together at all times

[nova marsh]

Execution sentence somehow became one of the coolest looking mechs in the game wtf

Yeah

That's really annoying

Espically cuz I'm playing FDK and it changes prio. Why

God I actually miss arms for a fight like this

[wind hatch]

With arms you can just sweeping strikes and chill

its great

[nova marsh]

Game

You fucking troll me for not going arms

And ofc I get a bunch of shit for wanting it so I can play UDK and 2h UDK lmafo

[stable fiber]

it does not do this btw

checked mine and it also said 4000/4000

which is a lie

it says i did it on my dk which i didnt haha

[nova marsh]

It might just be using your forms character

[stable fiber]

think so

[vast helm]

hope they can make FoB works on 2 targets again

[pale mantle]

Guys... we are really that shit or this raid is good for arms, what is the deal ?

[minor gust]

this is what we like to call small sample size

[pale mantle]

got the normal one

yeah we are fucked

damn

[grizzled falcon]

Skill basement.

[sharp wyvern]

Watch them nerf us before anyone has tier

[minor gust]

Arms emergency nerf hotfix

[stable fiber]

the arms hotfix is the tier set

no CAP

[sharp wyvern]

Ngl on those dragons demolish would kinda smack if you line it up with adds everytime

[minor gust]

I wouldnt know not a single plate tier dropped in my splits

[stable fiber]

xdd

i have 4 pieces

and could get 5 if i pvped

[minor gust]

gaming

[nova marsh]

No guys arms is fine!

Wcl says so!

i am being held at gunpoint to say this

[stable fiber]

fury tier set might get fury nerfed mythic week

⏰

[minor gust]

from what I have seen

incoming tww S1 flashbacks

[stable fiber]

yeah

[nova marsh]

Same

[stable fiber]

thats what im worried about

im almost certain i can do like 130k on the dragon boss because of this set

[nova marsh]

I mean the .05 changes already murder slayer

[minor gust]

OF BS doing some good dmg for bursting down add spawns

[sharp wyvern]

They just see these statistics and see that the tier set gives arms like 10% more

Nerf incoming

[smoky kayak]

propped up by a single boss lol

[minor gust]

totally not pallys

[sharp wyvern]

Sounds familar

[nova marsh]

Yeah but guys

We're up there so were fine (please take the gun away!)

[sharp wyvern]

Never forget the rashanaan incident

[stable fiber]

wait is arms just better on the 3 boss cleave btw

[sharp wyvern]

[stable fiber]

seems like its good asf

[minor gust]

very much so just play M+ colo and cleave away

[nova marsh]

I literally said the sample size was too small for any balance data to be conclusive and got told I was feels crafting

Lmao

[minor gust]

its up there with MM hunters right now

[grave coral]

So arms needs to be nerfed it seems

[stable fiber]

arms spotted in top 100

[sharp wyvern]

We are so fucked

How do they NOT nerf this

[grave coral]

It MUST be nerfed

[sharp wyvern]

Nerfing it is the only choice so ret paladins don't feel to bad

[nova marsh]

If they dont nerf us they'll close the discord

[daring heron]

boss is singlehandedly stopping arms from getting buffs lmaooo

[minor gust]

if we arent in the tuning notes this week its over

we are fucked

[daring heron]

i cant believe uh was only allowed to be shit for one day

[nova marsh]

How much ya wonna bet its a nerf

Also hi critcake

[gentle gyro]

Shirly this can't be right

[minor gust]

if were being real wont be any nerfs we just will be ignored

[gentle gyro]

People on YouTube told me that arms is shit

[grave coral]

@strong blaze ruined it for us all

[grave coral]

they said it was below tanks

why is arms number 1 ahead of fury

[nova marsh]

True

[gentle gyro]

Make it a bshout spec then

Remove it from fury and prot

[nova marsh]

Because its on the fight that arms actually does well in

Aka paladins

[grave coral]

But Arms is a support spec that cant do any damage and is always below tanks

right?

[nova marsh]

I need to change my name

Not surprised arms is propped up by vanguard after doing it thou

Feels like council of dreams but less annoying

[minor gust]

Indeed day 1 logs doing their thing

[nova marsh]

Im still salty to get told that day 1 logs prove arms is fine

[smoky kayak]

real and true

idk if you saw what I posted in the other channel

After we’re done today, we expect Unholy to be in a better spot overall, with the sum of all changes putting UDKs in a much more reasonable space that makes them competitive in raiding and mythic dungeons.
Because heaven forbid Unholy isn't competitive in all aspects of the game for a week! xD

[pale mantle]

and now frost is bad alone

[dense sphinx]

i have a bad feeling arms doesnt get anything at the end of this week

[smoky kayak]

in all fairness, UH was beaten down and needed some fixing

[nova marsh]

Blizz saw dk was looking to potentially be axes from raid

[pale mantle]

and demo warlock need a big FAT 10% aura nerf at least

[minor gust]

dev in charge of balance is a DK main he didnt like his guildies clowning on tuesdays raid

[nova marsh]

And said na dk

[pale mantle]

I mean, frost was only a littleeee bit better

[wind hatch]

yeah but I wish they showed that level of attention to other specs too

[pale mantle]

like barely

[warm fog]

The compensation for not having a raid buff is I guess is pretty juicy

[nova marsh]

To be fair it was also propped up by several beneficial bugs and a few negatives too...I think most are fized but there are still like 6 more

[minor gust]

it is pretty crazy to emergency buff the spec when tuning is already planned for next week. Its one of those things feels like any other class but mage would get ignored in that situation

[pale mantle]

I wonder why

really

[nova marsh]

Probably because dks threw a sissy fit over potentially having the class benched

[sharp wyvern]

Maybe they forgot to make a fight that uses the DK raid buff so DK needs to be good

[hoary palm]

buff warrior

[wind hatch]

I assume they want people to be hyped about udk after reworking it so I can kinda understand why they're giving it extra attention

[pale mantle]

I mean neither frost or uh are "good" in this raid, UH just became acceptable with this buff

[nova marsh]

Frost would be pretty good with buffs

Its damage profile is kinda okay for it

[pale mantle]

kinda

[nova marsh]

Udk is fucked thou

Omega fucked

[pale mantle]

this raid is all about padding little shit adds

that why paladins are doing what they are doing

[nova marsh]

Yeah I also hate this crap

[minor gust]

Which is why fury nerfs is coming!

[pale mantle]

with retri you dont need to think you cds

adds are going to spawn and your cd will be ready

go there and burrrrr

also any decent ranged class is doing good as well

[nova marsh]

I wish blizz would stop making entire tiers of cleave bosses

[pale mantle]

they have uptime in every single shit that spawn in their screen from miles away

[wind hatch]

there should be atleast 1 patchwerk fight every tier

[nova marsh]

Was manaforge cleave heavy too?

[nova marsh]

Honestly I feel like there should be multiple

Espically to let single target balancing shine a bit more so specs who are SOL on aoe arent kinda fucked

[pale mantle]

first and third boss were patchwerk basically, also flactilus is the patchwerk himself

[nova marsh]

So kinda average

I remeber lou had sprocket as patchwreck too

[pale mantle]

I mean pure ST

[wind hatch]

sprocket was such a banger

[pale mantle]

but a lot of movement

[nova marsh]

I think it was like

The only pure st fight in the tier.

Oh mugzee

Lmao I forgot about him

[wind hatch]

mugzee had light ads

but not really significant

[nova marsh]

It was like 90% st

With some cleave on the side

[pale mantle]

mugzee, and that guy that attack you with sound...

I mean, it had some cleave on bombs but thats it