arms

[uncut stag]

which cahgne?

they gonna fix tooltip or it won't proc anymore?

[torpid wave]

yeah im talking pvp

[bright grove]

hero talent (top left slayer)

[tight wing]

arcane momentum isn't a talent, it's an option, you go to a specific mage trainer in either org or SW and it lets you blink in the direction your moving instead of forward

[uncut stag]

oh ok I see now. it is the SD not all exe casts.

[torpid wave]

i know

but blink will still randomly run into non existent terrain

or blink you like 1 foot forward

[marsh hamlet]

How is the arms after tuning guys?

[torpid acorn]

still low

[marsh hamlet]

But did it get better?

[weak rain]

still lowest of all

beaten by brew monk

[stoic palm]

why

[marsh hamlet]

Thats sad

[stoic palm]

are there no warrior sim

on simcraft

wtf

[obsidian otter]

12.05 it won’t proc off SD anymore either

They are removing reap from everything but cleave for arms no more mortal strike reaps either

[livid cloak]

There's no way that goes live though

[uncut stag]

why would they do that? I just started playing but SD proccing it was fun

[obsidian otter]

It’s live on PTR now I’ve played it 😢

[livid cloak]

Ptr isn't live though

Its the ptr

[rose ibex]

It seems extremely negatively recieved

[obsidian otter]

So was the OP change but it got PTR then live

And we hated that to

[rose ibex]

What was the OP change?

[obsidian otter]

On beta OP was our top AOE before they changed it nerfed it by 60% buffed cleave

Which made our single target better than why it is now having Ozp high because we used it in both aoe and single target it felt good

[rose ibex]

Wait. Is OP overpower?

[obsidian otter]

Yes

[rose ibex]

It was aoe!?

[obsidian otter]

The talent that makes it aoe dos the aoe part

[rose ibex]

Ahhh dreadnaut

[obsidian otter]

But stronger OP is the stronger that talent is

[rose ibex]

Well that's a bummer

I liked that talent

[obsidian otter]

It was peak! I could hit 180k single
Target on bosses MS also hit harder was getting like 450k MS crits 😢

[rose ibex]

Always B Cleavin I guess

[obsidian otter]

Felt so good and we still was only B tier

[rose ibex]

If they buff it now, do you think our aoe would be oppressively strong?

[obsidian otter]

I honestly believe we’re facing a arms pruning and this tuning/ damage shift is why it’s happening

Oh if cleave stays same yes it would be super strong

[rose ibex]

I want to say they want more power in our spenders and cooldowns than passive effects

If there is some method to their madness

[obsidian otter]

We still have no builders … OP should have rage gain on it

It’s used in aoe and single target

It’s the most that makes sense

[rose ibex]

We dont really have a rage dump outside of execute

[obsidian otter]

Your using slams if MS is on CD and no OPs up in single target

[rose ibex]

I find im always overcapped on rage outside of execute but maybe I need to fish for execute targets in aoe more

[dim basalt]

You shouldnt ever be overcapped rn

We dont have that much rage

[obsidian otter]

If your slayer your only pressing execute on SD procs you should be rage high in aoe only dump is cleaves

Cleave cast slams/HS for free and sudden death procs are free

[hot current]

w8 we really didnt get buffed on the biggest class tuning??

[obsidian otter]

Aoe as slayer your pretty much only pressing CS cleaves/SD/OP with occasional MS fills and rend upkeep

[pulsar frost]

I mean 15% is better then not 15%

[flint cedar]

Always after CS is the Cleave dumper followed by SD or OP?

or SD THEN OP?

[worldly rivet]

blizz did say there will be more tuning these next few weeks

[hot current]

but we are like 30-40% behind the best dps

[proud heath]

My favorite part of my wow experience so far was when they buffed arms from last to last 😎

[worldly rivet]

i imagine the raid logs for ST will get Arms looked at

[obsidian otter]

your cleave dumping yes if you look at sims they seem to press SD proc over cleave as some sims will go 4x cleave and some goes 2x cleave SD 2x cleave seems like they press it on proc

[nova marsh]

all 2 of them

[pulsar frost]

Correct but again having 15% is vastly better then not. If we're currently 40% behind with the 15% still better then being 55% behind

[obsidian otter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cAsgAYEpLnofvX48c49q1v thats like when you look at this single target sim look at the ability log you press slam quite alot people say they dont press salm.. im always like prolly why your damage is so low lol

[flint cedar]

OOOOOO - I have learned! I have just been dumping my free cleaves at once and SD after - Makes sense to SD in between Cleave

[obsidian otter]

im always pressing slam in single target myself

there times im pressing it 2-3 time slams in a row when nothing is up

[hot current]

i mean yeah but being 0% behind aka being on top is the thing they should be focusing, i wont be having same situation as 3rd tier of tww where we were like 40% behind top dps spec for like 8 months... the only thing we got back then was 8% buff... so blizzard is clueless of how to balance the game properly

[nova marsh]

Dumb question

[rose ibex]

Yeah I dunno. I do all that. Maybe im misremembering it

[nova marsh]

when do yall pug week 1 raids?

[rose ibex]

Been in the alt mines too long

I had to tank for most of my m0s

[flint cedar]

That "Wait for resource" makes dwarven tears in mug o ale...

[worldly rivet]

it feels awful haha

[obsidian otter]

Im never waiting for resource specially after a Bladestorm idk why thats even in the sim your usually capped on rage at that point

[rose ibex]

I think if they buff our single target it will be mortal strike (pve only) and maybe slam and heroic strike (pve only)

[flint cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-good-good-good-beavis-mike-judge's-beavis-and-butt-head-s1-e7-thats-great-gif-16751123958922557813

[obsidian otter]

Like it says wait for resrouce your normally capped after a charge avatar cs into BS because you already got rage from the charge have done 1-2 autos and then bladestorm

so really not sure what its saying wait for resrouce for when your capped at that point

[silk spade]

cause it's channeling bladestorm

[obsidian otter]

so its really just for the channeling of BS? is why it says that?

it does it after every bs rotation

[silk spade]

yeah same reason it's casting stormbolt

cant do anything else during bladestorm dps wise

[obsidian otter]

that makes sense its just confusiong as your not really waiting but i guess your waiting on the BS to end lol

[silk spade]

and it shows as wait cause youre afk channeling

[flint cedar]

Zhai is good people! Thanks for pointing that out.

[worldly rivet]

Violent Euphoria would be awesome if it granted 15% haste during blade storm and then lingers for those 8 seconds after.

[rose ibex]

Damn that sounds wasteful and sweaty

[native kite]

pressing 1 button during bs is sweaty?

[fresh spire]

After is better. 15% worth if haste to speed bladestorm isn't worth the cdr value/gcd value after bladestorm

[latent moss]

personally i think as arms u shouldnt look at things as dumpers or whatever. everything costs rage except overpower and sudden death execute. instead you should just follow the prio

[obsidian otter]

I usually go to rest RR real fast while BSing

[latent moss]

keep cleave and mortal strike on cd if u cant press either press overpower

sudden death is lower than cleave but higher than mortal strike as slayer

as colossus u dont press it

technically opportunist op > ms

but the idea remains

[fresh spire]

Ms is same as op even with opportunist. Both at 5 and 10 targets

Reap vs dn equals out

[latent moss]

wowhead making arms seem more complex

[flint cedar]

I was not specific in this. I was referring to the opener after CS - then "dump" Cleave for the free - hitting SD during the second Cleave and then dumping the remaining cleaves before rotation.

[obsidian otter]

yeah maybe before the OP nerf and opportunist nerf was over MS

[fresh spire]

I dont know if archi has updated the changes pushed last night

[latent moss]

just following the priority u will cleave 4 times in a row if you can with crushing combo

if u run out of rage and u cant cleave ur next highest prio button that u can press is sudden death execute

[fresh spire]

Yeh its not updated. Opportunist line is gone from sims now. Its just ms>op at all times regardless if opportunist or fierce.

Mostly to do with if you got rage for ms or not

[crimson furnace]

What changes happened last night?

[flint cedar]

Yessir. Dump is a strong word lol.

[fresh spire]

Apl sim stuff not actual game changes

[latent moss]

apl optimizations

[slender sonnet]

+3dps

[crimson furnace]

Got it, I was like did I miss something? Thank you for the clarification.

[crimson furnace]

Thank you

[rose ibex]

I just thought it was weird to use storm bolt during bladestorm

Wouldn't it be better to save it for an interrupt?

[latent moss]

its a sim

max damage possible

[rose ibex]

Ahh,true

Well, its still stupid haha

[wind sage]

Servers up at 2 est ya?

[orchid osprey]

yeah unless they adjust the time at 2:05 EST like usual when it gets delayed

[silver mica]

So I guess fury is still better than arms...?

[obsidian otter]

storm bolt doesnt count as a interupt for the talent that boost your damage when you interupt. Even in mythic plus your shockwave/ fear is enough to aoe stop casters and your interupt itself is enough to stop prio casters where alot of them cant be stunned anyways that are prio casters and only interupted.

[candid pecan]

can't they just.... update the tuning and add a 10% buff to arms before the servers go live real quick

its only hc week, they can nerf after if needed

[wind sage]

Lol. I'm sticking to it for now. I beliebe

[icy atlas]

Yes

[silver mica]

i cry

[wind sage]

Slayer arms, craft the 2h with embellishments and roll on

[dim basalt]

Nobody is forcing you to do it, you dont need to even if youre going for 100% parses

[candid pecan]

yes but there are 3 more weeks of tuning, so no1 knows

[silver mica]

Right

[wind hatch]

very rare that you will actually need it in a fight

[torpid wave]

people have been saying this for 3 months, stop coping warrior is dead for midnight lol.

[candid pecan]

so dead actually

I will still play it

[soft gust]

Arms players are just too good, have to be F tier or we’ll gap the rest of the playerbase

[kindred breach]

https://tenor.com/view/ronnie-coleman-prot-warrior-tbc-wow-chad-class-gif-24723206

[wide needle]

Write it down after logs confirm what sims have been telling us arms get another 10% aura and slam/Hs buff

[jovial hare]

@minor gust daily reminder to plug the ptr thread about imminent demise change

[wide needle]

Welcome. To the 20th percentile. Boys

[minor gust]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision-arms-feedback/2270878/52
If you hate the 12.05 changes then contribute to the 2nd most popular forum thread and get these awful changes reverted.

[jovial hare]

[minor gust]

Especially with this first raid arms won't be able to compete considering how much AOE there is gonna be. That's pretty much fury's specialty

[soft gust]

Yeah the SD not proccing Reap change is so confusing

Finally made slayer fun to play in AoE

[pulsar frost]

can enjoy it for the 2 months before .5

[soft gust]

If we yell loudly enough maybe they wont implement it

[torpid wave]

more warrior nerfs incoming, please stop coping friends

[spring ruin]

nice!

[candid pecan]

don't listen to the sadistic savant, keep coping friends

[gilded saddle]

Which 259 weapon are we crafting today? Is it a recipe from the raid?

[candid pecan]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/best-early-season-crafted-gear-and-embellishments-for-all-classes-midnight-380801#warrior

[gilded saddle]

Thank you

[minor gust]

[olive nest]

https://tenor.com/view/tobasco-blind-schmerzen-auge-scharf-gif-11068272470568004898

[torpid wave]

ret paladin players too busy touching chiIdren to see the nerfs theyre finally getting

[minor gust]

[full obsidian]

Fekin wtf

I cri everytime

[olive nest]

[fresh spire]

Bro just can't let go abusing the paladin players

[fresh spire]

Waow

[rare elm]

Woaw

[woven rune]

Waow

[minor gust]

Waow

[minor oyster]

Waow

[olive nest]

Waow

[obsidian otter]

are sims updated to the new changes?

[torpid wave]

they abuse children, i abuse them. its the cycle of life

[stray vessel]

hows arms looking after buff?

[fresh spire]

Still bad

[stray vessel]

man...

[fresh spire]

We need another. Apex good now

[stray vessel]

hate fury....

[jovial hare]

are u guys ready for apex trees in the next xpac?
source: I made it the fuck up

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[icy mulch]

I mean, you made it up but it do sound like something Blizz would do.

[fossil root]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-throw-window-money-cash-gif-2291762601329910688

[flint cedar]

simming showed I went from 39k last night to 47k. maybe?

[gusty oxide]

So we're doomed, no secret additional buffs?

[obsidian otter]

what talent did you swap out for apex? im simming it now but in line lol checking with new apex and vs old way without it

i was at 43k on 16th so curious if its higher

[flint cedar]

Battlelord 🙁

[obsidian otter]

fatal gives more then battle? even without battle lord? stacking the fatal?

apex still sims less 🙁

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rujPEVBDVeVWz8qkJZjwYC https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vu1HtqD6X3UcSHjAwwxm8R

and i went up 3k from yesterday

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cAsgAYEpLnofvX48c49q1v

apex still aint it

[minor gust]

Very sad news boys

new apex buff has a duration

[obsidian otter]

and just wait for thwe 12.05 lol

[thorn stream]

Oh god

[flint cedar]

I have not tried that yet - Please keep in mind that you are speaking to a dumdum so treat it as such 🙂

[minor gust]

cant wait for it to consistently fall off between packs

[obsidian otter]

its still simming less then other build for slayer

[icy mulch]

So we may or may not be able to hold it for the next pack.... son of a ...

[thorn stream]

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-coffin-dance-bad-coffin-dance-coffin-dance-coffin-dance-gif-17177441

[thorn stream]

Hey atleast you have 2 buffs to run out as colossus

[minor gust]

yeah you have to luck out

on a HS proc at the end of the pack

to refresh

[soft gust]

is the buff only 30 seconds?

[minor gust]

yes

[soft gust]

oof

[flint cedar]

So luck is in total play - poopsickle

[icy mulch]

holy fuck this is just... fuck Blizzard and fuck the class dev team the most.

[minor gust]

its a pretty big blow for arms M+

[obsidian otter]

im checking it now without BL see if its still higher then both of the other ones

[minor gust]

because its gonna be unlikely you hold that buff for next back due to travel time and mob gather time

its gonna be hard

[soft gust]

Tier probably makes it better since you get more mileage from longer cs duration

crazy that its still mid tho

[obsidian otter]

in aoe sure

doesnt help single target at all

our tier

[minor gust]

[obsidian otter]

you cant extend CS in single target with it has to hit 3 targets

so its just a dead bonus in single target sadly

[soft gust]

MS extends

no?

[minor gust]

what are you even talking about man

[obsidian otter]

yeah MS does my military brain skips or lol

[latent moss]

cant wait to cancel bladestorm as slayer

[soft gust]

The bonus should be larger for AoE tho since you get a lot of cleave extension

especially with crushing combo

[icy mulch]

Cool down on MS?

[obsidian otter]

yeah tier should make up that little difference we seeing now i guess hopefully

[soft gust]

With high haste how high is our cs uptime?

[weak rain]

yes

[icy mulch]

Man, there shouldn't be a cool down on MS and let you spam it to burn rage. Then that would actually be worth it in ST.

[obsidian otter]

BL helps with that for sure

you get alot of back to back procs of it

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qdqJBB9K92G5Kp6z9m8ZYC this seems to sim highest currently without BL though and you go apex 4/4 with fatal

[thorn stream]

Unforch not much st fights

[near lintel]

what embellishment should we put on our crafted weapons?

[wind hatch]

darkmoon sigil hunt

[near lintel]

thank you ♥

[slow saddle]

Not like st fight helps arms🤣

To me fury sup flexibility 4 certain wins

Even if dmg was 1 t 1 in st

[obsidian otter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kuJXEH5u5NrXSUcUBm5Vvd meanwhile fury got buff even more and still does better aoe and single 🙁

as slayer vs slayer arms

[flint cedar]

I snagged this

[slow saddle]

"Only" 10k behind

[obsidian otter]

thats how much it was before lol

[slow saddle]

As long as thane beats arms

Arms has no shot

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-staples-fax-it-do-be-facts-tho-its-the-truth-gif-16329641

[obsidian otter]

dam it.. i bought the coffer key bags on alt.. rip..

[thorn stream]

fair

[near lintel]

does anyone know what the new builds are gonna look like for single target slayer and mplus colossus?

[weak rain]

Open spec tab and press fury

[obsidian otter]

for slayer same as before you just drop battlelord and pick up 4th apex talent

[near lintel]

that is what a bitch would do

[flint cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/training-day-denzel-gif-21121671

[worldly rivet]

it is nice logging in and seeing MS with bigger numbers ha

[minor gust]

Guys clearly arms is op now m0 dungeon says so

[lime ruin]

hmmm mayhaps a nerf is in order

yes

[minor gust]

indeed

[flint cedar]

Tell me that is ST 🙂

Even if it isnt

I need to read you saying it

[slow saddle]

2 target boss in windspire

[obsidian otter]

bloodbath hitting for 85k now wtf.. MS still poop lol

without buffing it

[spring vale]

is hall of fame for it closed yet

have 4k people beaten it

[stable fiber]

when i did it

[livid cloak]

Do you guys not have phones jobs

[stable fiber]

only like 14 people had done it before me

it is 100% still open

[spring vale]

nice well done man

[thorn stream]

colo or slayer ?

[spring vale]

This time around idt i can get it on EU, life too much lately and been slacking on leveling my valeera

@stable fiber if you have done the previous delve nemesis, how would you say the new guy compares to kyvezza/gobfather/zekvir?

[minor gust]

Overall

[minor gust]

Colo

[livid cloak]

M0 still dropping veteran gear?

[minor gust]

champ

246

[livid cloak]

Oh nice

[stable fiber]

gobfather is by far the hardest

[spring vale]

damn really

[stable fiber]

i didnt do zekvir

and i did kyvezza in full bis

[worldly rivet]

I have 241 ilvl on my warrior and still have a Chest piece from level 89. one day.

[spring vale]

I gave up on Kyvezza cause I couldn't do memory game, Zekvir was harder than gobfather for me

[stable fiber]

i spent 3 hours on gobfather

only spent like 25 mins on this one

[spring vale]

nice nice

gobfather was more frustrating than zekvir though cause even with the interact key bound it just wasn't very good

the footbomb was still a bit janky

[devout pewter]

So, US bros, how's arms doing?

[obsidian otter]

same as before for slayer 3k diff increase

[devout pewter]

Wooo..

[obsidian otter]

my single target went from 43k to 46k aoe had to go up as well i would assume

[proud heath]

Does the rotation for colossus change any with the apex change?

[tight wing]

WW spire M0, just got out

[minor gust]

nothing changes

Watching the apex buff fall off while tank is gathering oh man this is gonna be good

[regal dragon]

[thorn stream]

ugh

[regal dragon]

Is arms back?

[proud heath]

Do the stacks for the apex talent work like the heroic strike stacks?

[minor gust]

yes

[proud heath]

lame

[minor gust]

except they dont fall off on their own

but its a 30 sec buff

so it will fall off often while going pack 2 pack

unless you get a HS proc before the last pack dies

[latent moss]

cleave is still 20% of ur st in m+

[tight wing]

so it's still completely useless 🤦‍♂️

the apex

not cleave

[minor gust]

its not useless no

its still good

[latent moss]

i mean u wb on opener

30s shouldnt be that bad but i also dont understand why it has a duration at al

[minor gust]

higher keys you go you are pressing CS multiple times throughout a pack

[tight wing]

that's fair, but having it fall off mid run seems like an oversight

[minor gust]

its not a guarantee but any long travel time or bad luck on HS gives a higher chance of it dropping

[latent moss]

considering that for warriors evrything falls off mid run

i dont think its an oversight

[tight wing]

lol true

[candid pecan]

WHYY?.... I expected them to have no duration...

but then again... might make us do some degen pre key gameplay

5 stacks, OKAY put key in

[minor gust]

that easily fixable by just having be flagged as something that gets removed at key start

[alpine burrow]

do our alts also get champion gear from world boss ? or is it just main

[minor gust]

if its like TWW its once per account

[alpine burrow]

hmm got it

[proud heath]

Do i still spam 4 cleaves after CS or should i weave in some single target moves to try to proc a HS?

[worldly rivet]

started nightmare prey hunt

time to see if worth

[raw atlas]

Arms pumping in M+ lets gooo

[minor gust]

Spam the cleave follow the priority

like I said apex changes nothing

[raw atlas]

Overalldmg in spire

[minor gust]

bro is somehow doing M+

[raw atlas]

M0 kid

[minor gust]

thats not M+ now is it

[raw atlas]

hihihhihih

[livid cloak]

Hes just going off what you said

[worldly rivet]

nightmare hunt takes kind of long

[obsidian otter]

do you do the trap way?

[worldly rivet]

hard to. it despawns when someone uses.

druids just swooping down

reward was 246 1/6 champ gear.

[vapid spire]

Are we good with the changes ?

[slim iron]

Anyone have updated numbers for this stuff?

[minor gust]

Have fun

we still do less than Brew sooo

[smoky jungle]

[gaunt owl]

we started at the bottom now we here

[slim iron]

Can pls include tanks?

[minor gust]

That's all I got screenshot wise so that's all you get

I aint giving someone money too look at a pointless sim spreadsheet

[raw atlas]

Arms in M0 are pumping

like wtf

ahha

[minor gust]

it always was

how is this a suprise to you xD

[raw atlas]

you feel better now?

[gaunt owl]

M0 is cute

[minor gust]

Not as cute as you Ppaww

[fresh spire]

holy flash bang hdr

[gaunt owl]

[slim iron]

Lol I wonder if those are realistic talents used for the brew or not. Still though arms should be higher imo

[obsidian otter]

yeah i dont get it honestly

disconect some where i swear

[lapis ridge]

Hello guys, after otp fury since vanilla i maybe want to switch into arms i saw it's not good actually but it's gonna change in the future u think ? U think arms gonna pump end m+ like always ?

[minor gust]

Depends in the keep aura buffing us and not nerfing cleaved

[lapis ridge]

Without older addons like Helkiki, it’s scary to jump into a spec change. What also worries me is that Fury is viable right now thanks to the Thunder path, but the 4-piece bonus might apply to Slayer, and in that case we’ll have to see how it performs with the class changes in the expansion. If you have any tips for switching to Arms, I’m interested.

[tight wing]

only Tip I have is play what you find fun, you'll do better that way

[gaunt owl]

the Arms buffing cycle

[uncut yacht]

bro just spam

it's Fury

[gaunt owl]

start real bad every xpac only to get buffed each tier to end up at the top dmg

[ionic mica]

89k brew was the prenerf sim

[glacial pebble]

is arms playable now

[gaunt owl]

you can play it yes

[minor gust]

always been playable

[mild sierra]

It does exist

[lapis ridge]

The Fury path has changed with Enrage—you now have to play Thunder to stay enraged and give up Raging Blow. So I’m worried that the 4-piece bonus, which applies to the other spec, will make it much weaker than before, especially when you have to choose between Avatar and Bladestorm, which are the core of Fury Warrior.

[glacial pebble]

right but is it even worth playing

[hushed topaz]

If it doesn’t do #1 dps then no, not worth playing

Obviously

[uncut yacht]

true

game should ban any attempt to not play a fotm class

[mild sierra]

4pc reduces OF cd. Hero talents dont affect tier set

[lapis ridge]

Than'ks man

[worldly rivet]

petrified root drop rate is kind of nuts in delves

have 14 through 2 runs.

[obsidian otter]

I like testing this dungeon for myself to see how much diff they both do on same boss and overall . Fury slayer vs fury arms and my arms has nexus ring set fury does not their both item level 241

overall about same tanks pulled about same

i would did more on that boss on arms but dps was stronger in that group as well

mage did 20k more then other mage but druid was about same

[rose ibex]

Nice dude. Colossus or slayer?

[nova marsh]

Blizzard

Please...please tell me why this exists

[obsidian otter]

and you cant BR out of it either lol

[rose ibex]

Hmmm

[nova marsh]

I got this for my DK LMAO

[rose ibex]

I hate it

[minor gust]

better than mine

[nova marsh]

Ah

the good ol troll trinket

[sharp wyvern]

i like that trinket

its fun

[nova marsh]

Yeah it's more fun then mandatory loss of controll of your toon

[sharp wyvern]

if people could tolerate antenna this is nothing in comparison

[nova marsh]

garbage for dk

[sharp wyvern]

wdym loss of controll

[nova marsh]

The one I linked above

horrifies you if you don't kill something in 20 secs

So basically always horrifies you in like raids

[sharp wyvern]

ive used that in raids and never noticed i guess

[nova marsh]

Lmao it's a dps loss on my dk vs just upgrading the rep trinkie

[tropic crest]

@smoky kayak is the Raidbot APL updated for new rank4 apex ?

[rose ibex]

We playing colossus or slayer?

[minor gust]

if you want to have a higher overall pick colo

or do u want more fun pick slayer

[obsidian otter]

i mean id love any trinket then getting this stuff dropped on my warrior lol

hmm that DH name..

[stray vessel]

someone is the fake -_-

[minor gust]

Surely this spires trinket saves me from using awful vessel trinket

[nova marsh]

Btw

whatr ilvl are yall doin the raid as

[minor gust]

Not doing the raid rn meant spires of arak dung

2nd boss of seat the only boss you can have fun

[summer jackal]

so how we feelin w/the patch

should i stick w/my hunter alt or come back?

[nova marsh]

Probs stay hunter tbh

Espically if the .05 changes go through

[minor gust]

play whats fun to you

shit dont matter

[summer jackal]

wrecking fools is fun to me

[obsidian otter]

Havoc damage comming from passive.. thats actually insane i would have thought eybeam would have been its top overall damage

and they dont want our bleeds doing damage ??

[minor gust]

Havoc has always been like that

top dmg is random bullshit

[obsidian otter]

i aint played it since legion when i had the lego eye band lol and eyebeam was up there then

so its been some time

they need to give them the eyebeam animation that the NPC in murder row has DH

its insane

[worldly rivet]

delve 11 gives mythic keys haha

[rose ibex]

Oh you can have two meters at once!?

[slow saddle]

wait what ?

[obsidian otter]

3 if you want max 3

i have interupt meter showing as well

[rose ibex]

Oh my

[worldly rivet]

got a mythic 2 key from tier 11 delve

[slow saddle]

did u try and send it ?:D

for Science ofc not gear 😉

[rose ibex]

Ive just been playing with overall damage meter. Trying to wire my brain for better m+ performance but having both is preferable

[obsidian otter]

yeah i like seeing current pulls plus overall always

[vapid spire]

You got a keystone ?

[worldly rivet]

yeah just sent screenshot

lvl 2 lol

[vapid spire]

How

[worldly rivet]

tier 11 delve

going to see if i can use

[devout pewter]

Probably not

M+ is next week afaik

[paper summit]

colossus still terrible in M0?

[minor gust]

never was

[obsidian otter]

dam we cant run non seasonal as mythics now?

[minor gust]

you just do bad boss dmg which doesnt matter

[worldly rivet]

sad. cant use.

weird reward

someone forgot to remove

[paper summit]

do the non season M0's drop champion? or veteran?

[obsidian otter]

you cant even run them on mythic no more aparently

just seasonal ones

[paper summit]

well shit...

[nova marsh]

Dont even think you can do heroics on non season

[obsidian otter]

dam nope lol

thats weird

why let people run it previous on heroic and zeros. then cant when season starts locks you out

not like you can mythic + the non seasonal ones

[paper summit]

can you get 2x heroic pieces of gear from bountiful delves this week?

oh nm, someone had a map

forgot about those

[ionic reef]

Pick up a shield boys...

[nova marsh]

Because blizz wanted to use heroics and m0s as well as a way to get people to learn mythics before touching m+

[paper summit]

so can you do M+ as slayer arms and be ok?

[nova marsh]

Im sure you can already see the flaw in that plan

[obsidian otter]

your overall will be fine your aoe is still good your single target is lower for sure.

[rose ibex]

I have faith that this will not stay the same forever

[ionic reef]

I need some of that

[rose ibex]

Your problem is think too much, not nuff zug

[obsidian otter]

pick up a second weapon lol

[rose ibex]

Maybe if weapons would actually drop in dungeon 🫠

[obsidian otter]

the arms in my fury run got 3 items and weapon on our pit ..

[rose ibex]

Me with my maxed adventurer weapon

[obsidian otter]

Dk tank was fuming lol

he said maybe the game knows his spec needs it lol

[rose ibex]

I suppose I can finally craft a weapon. Yay!

[latent moss]

he is right

[rose ibex]

Didnt they get some decent buffs?

Like, im happy for them if they did

Blood dk is fun

[obsidian otter]

idk im always nervous when i run with them as tank i keep my fingler on DbtS and ER when on fury

so many times they dip so low its crazy healer must be freaking out

I will say people think we got buffed alot in these pugs lol saying arms massive pumps now ...

so i guess thats good even if its not true the pug community thinks we did

[zenith dagger]

Now we getting nerfed lfg

[minor gust]

Just making these pugs really confused about arms but man how is there ret paladins that dont press their buttons

[obsidian otter]

thats alot of classes and palyers they just dont press enough buttons i think

[rose ibex]

I know what you mean. They are definitely less durable but I also feel that you have a ton of agency as a blood dk in regards to healing

[minor gust]

[rose ibex]

Then again I haven't played it since bfa

[dim basalt]

ABC is a hard concept

But like, unironically

Majority of casuals cant deal with that

[minor gust]

pretty much

they also never send their cds

[rose ibex]

Im thinking about playing my warrior with friends to avoid this

Even though they are all leather and my alt is leather

[minor gust]

I did 7 m0s with the guildies

just pugged the last one

[rose ibex]

Its just too hard to get groups with pugs

[obsidian otter]

if your ilv is 240+ should get in easy honestly if its lower then start your own and pick people

[rose ibex]

My crappy 233 ilvl isnt good enough

The mythic gods seem insistent that I continue wearing green pants

[latent moss]

244 goated like that

oiled up for reset

[minor gust]

Well this is what we going into raid with tonight

[latent moss]

where arcanoweave craft

[minor gust]

I crafted wep

shit costs 4 sparks

likely playing fury for Mprog so might aswell just send the wep instead of hold till first myth vault

[latent moss]

craft bracers/cloak without spark

with arcanoweave

its 246

[candid pecan]

80 vet crests yeah

[latent moss]

ye

[minor gust]

ugg I gotta get more vet crests

sounds like too much work for a shit embellishment

[latent moss]

u can buy them with adventurer crests

from the crest exchange vendor

u should have like 9 million adventurer crests

[minor gust]

oooo fucking true

[halcyon valve]

Chat
What would we think if they made a talent that specifically increases dreadnaught damage, say during CS or when cleave hits 3+ targets, just some kind of conditional effect

[rose ibex]

Like just the aoe portion?

[obsidian otter]

they dont want that it was already strong in beta they reduced it by 60%

[halcyon valve]

Yeah just for aoe as the intent

[latent moss]

we have enough aoe talents

[obsidian otter]

having that talent strong though actually affected our single target compared to the other aoe talents and that one got nerfed the hardest

[rose ibex]

What if the aoe had little prolifs instead of being a straight aoe so it would theoretically be good when targets are clustered because each target would have a little aoe's shotgunning while barely affecting single target.

Then again, aoe is not exactly the problem with arms

[obsidian otter]

they could do like havoc eyebeam does 30% more damage when hitting one target to our Bladestorm would help in single target without boosting AOE. MS needs a buff period it shouldn't be doing less than Bloodbath with full stacks of EP and MP vs bloodbath just doing more per press with no ramp to it

[halcyon valve]

Yeah aoe is "strong" although very cleave heavy
Single target is just a tuning issue with none of the st abilities doing jack shit

[obsidian otter]

issue is buffing our single target skills also buffs our 2 target cleave 🙁

[halcyon valve]

let us have insane 2 target cleave, fuck the other specs that cant keep up

[gray maple]

i still think the 4th apex should have been changed to also give a stack of master of warfare whenever we execute it would have fixed pretty much everything with a unique play style ramp damage

[halcyon valve]

Most fights arent 2t anyway

[serene horizon]

yo do we sstill use details or the ingame damager meter?

[halcyon valve]

Nah that would be way too op

[wicked warren]

Guys, I thought I switched to rogue for this season, but now I've got a champion 2h from world boss and whispers are back

[halcyon valve]

Also be way way stronger for slayer than it is for colossus

[halcyon valve]

Play arms play arms play arms play arms play arms play arms

[wicked warren]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-leave-me-alone-meme-gif-6420351794930725971

[gray maple]

think so? i judge we would probly sit around 7 stacks untill execute phase then we become gods again

[halcyon valve]

And congrats youve turned the tuning issue into over reliance on SD procs

[gray maple]

more like backloaded arms back into execute phase like in legion days

[halcyon valve]

If thats all we want, then just increase the chance to proc the apex in execute range

[worldly rivet]

easy 35 hero crests from defeating the delve nemesis boss

[thorn stream]

Are we taking Raid cleave or aoe talents on those bosses ?

[minor gust]

Ask again in 5 hours when I do the raid

[woven rune]

apparently Eu can loot world boss more than once is that true in NA also?

[gray maple]

sure but allowing execute to stack would fix ms damage outside of execute phase too

while giving us decision making on target prio

active game play decisions seem more fun to me than hey every just gets 30% more ms damage but thats just my take on it

[high snow]

play colossus

[jolly lintel]

Mannnn the new reap the storm change feels terrible

Execute was nice in aoe before

[fresh spire]

they didnt remove it yet

[jolly lintel]

oh I was just reading the talent

[rose ibex]

I think they just going to buff slam and mortal strike and call it a day for single target and only for pve

[sudden topaz]

is withered saptor's paw worth simming or is it straight garbage

[rose ibex]

Saptor salve is bis

[lyric hound]

shout out to all my true chads gearing arms knowing next tuning update we'll be forgotten again

[worldly rivet]

well I wanted to do get the hof achievement for delve boss ?? but our ST damage really is hampering.

[valid walrus]

Arms is still the only spec below 90k on the sims wtf

[fresh spire]

even guardian druid is still ahead of arms

🤣

[faint salmon]

Sad

[obsidian otter]

Watching some of the RWF and they got fury warriors in their group multiple they just not showing on dps meters 😆

[rare kite]

must not be watching wallife, he's been destroying

[obsidian otter]

It’s liquid one I’m watching atm lot of devours on top

Mages etc

[rose ibex]

i am considering just using mythic spec for raid

because our single target is just that bad

may as well clear adds faster

[odd ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/creepy-cat-smoke-cat-smoke-cat-smoking-ai-cat-smokes-gif-16189936107652293797

its joever

[rose ibex]

meh. raid shmaid

[odd ledge]

you should spec prot war if you want a dps increase

[rose ibex]

hey i just beat the prot warrior by 3k

[obsidian otter]

You could just build swap before boss your not locked into the talent it’s not a mythic + key

[rose ibex]

i'm kind of a big deal

[odd ledge]

haha

[odd ledge]

🫂

[coarse ferry]

Are we good yet?

[rose ibex]

M+ we are ok

but single target is tank levels of dps

[coarse ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/piddel-piddel-meme-piddel-gaming-piddel-pain-pain-gif-26176777

[odd ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-is-finished-cooked-finished-dog-closing-eyes-dog-with-eyes-closed-gif-8933440936102921947

[coarse ferry]

Still remeber when arms war was the ST kings and fury was the AoE king

[obsidian otter]

https://tenor.com/view/lionking-itsinthepast-it-doesnt-matter-move-one-gif-7260946

[coarse ferry]

😢

https://youtube.com/shorts/ZMPMz91pMKU?si=CtZvY6YAAkBMv4vK

need smeone to make a arms meme using this templete

[jagged finch]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-looks-down-monkey-accepts-death-monkey-closes-eyes-monkey-gif-18378011595625755060

[worldly rivet]

Thanks for the guide on nemesis @smoky kayak . It is lame that it seems only doable with tank spec right now.

[jagged finch]

so are we still crafting a wep with Darkmoon sigil

[languid torrent]

we just kinda playing slayer for the whole raid?

[minor gust]

Likely slayer every boss but paladins

and can colo on pallys

[dense sphinx]

is there a limit on how many bountifuls i can do

[hybrid needle]

So we all do tankspecc now just for famed slayer eh

[jagged finch]

wait should we be waiting for m+ before we craft our 2hander

[finite ocean]

arms st is still god awful 😔

[flint cedar]

Im doing 46ish - It feels better. just not great

[slender sonnet]

im going to play arms in raid tomorrow

because if I can't be first dps I might aswell be last

[olive nest]

top if you flip the meter upside down

ez

[finite ocean]

this is geniunely awful

[sudden topaz]

im swapping between arms and fury in raid, its crazy how much better fury is let alone other specs that sim higher

[jolly lintel]

Yo I actually cant believe how bad arms ST is lmao

[odd ledge]

how do we get it buffed

we need rets dirty tricks

[sage bison]

i mean ret blows in raid

[edgy solstice]

not sure anyone could be paid to make this spec more dogshit than it is rn

[icy atlas]

Does it? I feel like I gotta work hard to beat my guild's ret

[shadow ibex]

Anyone send arms tonight?

[rare kite]

it could always be worse! have you seen the 0.5 changes ahahha

[sage bison]

The raid is just not built for it at all, the full ST wall boss, its pretty decent

every other boss has like adds spawning in ranged and shit

[icy atlas]

Nooow I understand, yeah haven't got that far yet

[jagged finch]

Are all you arms chads gonna craft your 2hander?

[minor gust]

First boss

[pallid viper]

69 nice

[ivory niche]

Is anyone having trouble with demolish...

I swear I use it, and them im stuck for a few seconds unable to cast after it goes off

[minor gust]

All that matters is you beat your guild

[hollow eagle]

I'm looking at arms rotation on wowhead, do we use heroic strike in AOE? WoWhead doesn't mention it lol

[hollow eagle]

that's what demolish is. it's a channeled spell

[ivory niche]

nvm, i think it was just laggy zone

world boss zone was fucked

[sage bison]

keeping the dream alive

[minor gust]

When you have Fervor of Battle talented you cleave will use HS for you

[hollow eagle]

ah i didn't realize it worked for HS too. neat thanks

[minor gust]

<@&257983573498265600>

[bold ether]

what

the

[minor gust]

[bold ether]

LOL

[rare kite]

huh wat did i miss

[minor gust]

bring back the $25 gift cards

[latent pier]

must've been the wind

[minor gust]

I prefer that than porn

[tawdry quail]

Slayer or colossus?

Gotta be slayer right

[sage bison]

LMAO

[tawdry quail]

Ur basically top dps

[sage bison]

deff coll

[minor gust]

that was 2nd boss thats basically ST of course I aint playing colo xD

[tawdry quail]

U smashed it in ST

Wait wtf, thought arms was horrendous in ST

[minor gust]

It is its just called playing better than the people around you + half the raid is alts for splits

[tawdry quail]

oh okay I see

[minor gust]

This was Fallen King

[tawdry quail]

well don’t think I can do that with my guild even if I know arms like the back of my hand, cos they’re all playing their mains

[tawdry quail]

must’ve felt good bro

[minor gust]

yeah gives me the abillity to roast people losing to the worst spec in the game

good times

[silk breach]

Is that running Slayer or Colossus?

[minor gust]

Slayer of course only colo viable bosses im feeling rn are first on heroic at least and the paladins

[rapid bronze]

can you use shattering throw on the council fight?

[raw atlas]

🫠

Ran slayer all fight except for the paladins one. Collosus way better there

[minor gust]

I played paladins so fucking bad kept getting distracted from raid banter had like 3 demos casted late and missed CS debuff

My entire raid yelling at me to nerf arms

[raw atlas]

Ya colo on pala fight is stier

Only hunter beating us good show tho

[tawdry quail]

Which hunter? Survival?

[minor gust]

its because we hit the min requirement to be able to press cleave

[nova marsh]

LETS GO

THATS WHAT I WONNA SEE

[tawdry quail]

Yh I’m ngl

It does make me happy to see

Regardless of circumstances

@minor gust what did u choose to main btw?

[minor gust]

warrior?

[tawdry quail]

oh u stayed arms, fairs

[raw atlas]

Mm

[minor gust]

I mean you can swap to arms or fury with very little consequence

[nova marsh]

Frozen being based

[raw atlas]

Arms till i die baby

[minor gust]

you dont choose between arms or fury just craft things with haste mastery and keep 2nd set of jewlery

[tawdry quail]

I went survival hunter cos I wanted to 2h without magic n still be competitive. Their best competitive build is dual wield fucking daggers now. I’m so done I’m gonna slowly catch up with my arms now n jus bide my time till more buffs

[wind hatch]

are we holding bladestorm for adds on vaelgor and ezzorak?

it feels pretty bad without bladestorm on anger management

[minor gust]

I did yes

[raw atlas]

Yes i did but you miss one of them

[wind hatch]

I did sometimes but I was really inconsistent with it

[raw atlas]

You can’t save bs for all of them unfort

[obsidian otter]

even two handed survival is over arms so its not a loss when you think of it that way lol

[tawdry quail]

I miss my mortal strike

This the first time I’ve tried another class since I started playing wow all the way back in cata

Imagine now I catch up with my arms gear him up etc, and on 24th arms catches a random stray nerf like they always do

[raw atlas]

They flat buffed our dmg while we needed more ST. AOE wasnt too bad. I don’t know where this gonna go ngl. Maybe cleave dmg reduction 5-10%

[obsidian otter]

the 90s on howl was just uncalled for

[wind hatch]

It's so funny

stampeding roar is twice as good and has 60s cooldown

logically it makes sense for piercing howl to be 30s

[obsidian otter]

like even when you read why they changed it to be inline with others its 4s....

how is 90s cd in line with 4s of 30%!!

they had to read it wrong and thought the 70% movement speed was for you and that wasnt the slow ..

[tawdry quail]

I can see that and fair enough, the problem lies in if that’s all they do and not touch ST or rage

[obsidian otter]

yeah i know makes no sense 8s for 60% with a 60s CD vs 30% for 4 seconds for 90s CD...

like make it make sense

at this point i swear there must be some on going joke at blizzard how far can we push warriors down before we break lol

im scared for apirl fools for us

its the day after reset to 🙁

[wind hatch]

it feels like warrior balancing got outsourced to people who dont play the game

[sudden topaz]

just arms

fury feels pretty good

[glacial pebble]

is there a slayer build for M+

?

[marble furnace]

tried to get fabled slayer as arms but kept dying after the ticks

ended switching to prot and got it on a 13min fight lol

[lime ruin]

Is crown of the cosmos an ST build or no

[boreal remnant]

probably not but we haven't seen it yet I believe

[minor gust]

My priests betrayed me on cosmos

[lime ruin]

what build did u use

[minor gust]

For normal I do not recommend Cleave + collat and just doing pure ST. Really just using it to pad on phase 1 blobs. P2 guys dont live long

Shit was cooked af tho 0 warrior tier dropped on my split

[languid torrent]

bruh

heroic chimaerus

feels kinda bad

i mean every boss this spec feels bad but like man

[stray vessel]

arms feels awesome but blizzard hates it

[bronze elbow]

yo does anyone know if let me solo him has an enrage timer?

i'm trying to do it as prot but i kinda forgot to play my warrior cus arms, and it's only 225

[obsidian otter]

rip 🙁

[silk vapor]

arms is in?

[gentle gyro]

nerf arms

[marble furnace]

i took it down after 13mins, his tank buster gets tronger but iduno if it's tied to timer or his HP, by the end u def need to lock in with ur defensives, and as arms u kinda need to pick a god and pray that valeera can keep u alive lol

[ancient otter]

[obsidian otter]

https://tenor.com/view/arm-pump-gif-22012416

gains!!

[mortal niche]

ban that player, for the good of the race

[dense sphinx]

arms could never

[worldly rivet]

Not a lot of spec diversity so far in the posted raid logs haha.

[wind hatch]

arms too op

These fights would feel so much better for me if bladestorm was on am

[rose ibex]

any of y'all got any leads on blacksmiths

i need a big thick weapon :/

[weak wave]

/use [known:Heldenhafter Stoß] Heldenhafter Stoß; Tödlicher Stoß

is broken?

Doesn't work anymore

[minor gust]

LMAO both of our splits 0 plate tier

oh we so cooked this tier

[pulsar frost]

Incoming arms nerf

[glacial pebble]

are we taking cleave in the raid?

[dense sphinx]

man no battlelord feels so ass

[nova marsh]

arms on top (no it's not me)

[paper tendon]

How does arms feel for mythic dungeons? have an alt and thinking about leveling it

[gentle gyro]

ret at 3 makes this feel invalid

[hoary palm]

How much dps loss is taking battlelord over mortal wounds

[wind hatch]

Arms single target is still pretty bad, especially on colossus, but the sustained aoe is really good

[paper tendon]

ok thanks for the info 👍

[rose ibex]

hmmm. Do you guys think its wise to spend my sparks on a weapon right now?

[coarse ferry]

You know what this is giving em hope will play arms next week did reasonable with fury today but arms still calls for me

Literally had to make my off hand a mug to still feel like im just 2handing with Arms axe artifact weapon XD

[rose ibex]

i did fine in m0 today

i could not beat my ice mage friend or my outlaw rogue friend, but they do have better gear than me. My dps kept up

if I had a stronger weapon I think I could beat them

[coarse ferry]

I am a BS so i can just make my 259 weapon stat ready for Arms

[rose ibex]

do you think its the best play with our sparks?

[coarse ferry]

Might be there no weapon in the raid that has extra effects so just having a reliable weapon that has your bests stats and a effect with Darkmoon sigils is good

[rose ibex]

i'm kind of a noob about that stuff. What do I need exactly to get it started?

also... how expensive you think it will be? both in mats + what's a reasonable tip?

[stray vessel]

is method.gg best place to get arms build?

[minor gust]

I crafted my wep. Wep is by far highest value with ilvl and getting a early myth track wep (next week) is well worth it. Even if you get a myth wep in the 2nd vault its not really a big deal cuz now you just got 2 weps for fury.

[coarse ferry]

yeah with it being the start of the xpac most mats will be over priced rn

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715 use any of the guides linked in here

[rose ibex]

ahhh bummer. I got only about 300k to my name

[stray vessel]

tytys

[coarse ferry]

Should be enough but you might have to use like 80k or a bit higher with enchanting it too

[rough pewter]

guys, after CS i have 3 cleave, i should pump them out or press overpower before each?

[vast helm]

where arms?

[minor gust]

My priests are evil

[obsidian otter]

out of 25 rip where all the arms at that raid

[minor gust]

that was for cosmos xD

[rose ibex]

i should probably just be patient if it's not extremely important... it seems less important for arms anyways

[minor gust]

so last boss voidspire

[stray vessel]

damn

[rose ibex]

no luck this week for weapons but once M+ comes out things might change

[stray vessel]

ive had 0 luck on raid and M+ XD no drops

[minor gust]

got at least 235 on fallen king

theres some arms players out there on NA xD

[wind hatch]

Do you guys think we might run colossus on any fight besides lightblindwd vanguard

i think it might be decent on imperator averzion just for padding

[fossil thistle]

Colossus is prob find on everything tbh

Depends on how much cleave your group has

[minor gust]

you can prob get away with colo on 1st boss

and just pad on adds

but like your not being useful. your just unloading on adds and do 0 boss dmg

for a parse

[wind hatch]

yeah

for slayer do you think its optimal to hold bladestorm on pull though

[minor gust]

on pull no

send on pull

[wind hatch]

yeah thats what im thinking but it sucks not having it

[minor gust]

you can hold the 2nd bladestorm tho

just not worth holding on pull with lust and shit

[wind hatch]

part of me wishes it was back on anger management

[fossil thistle]

Hold bladestorm and CS on council fight

cause our priest took like 7s to dispell shields

[minor gust]

you aint playing slayer on pallys

xD

[fossil thistle]

My b ravager and CS

[wind hatch]

i did 65k on heroic imperator without cleave

dropping a point somewhere for collateral damage might be good

[minor gust]

drop x2 BB

for cleave collat

[fossil thistle]

If I had my 250 weapon equipped I probably would’ve edged over 70k on council 😐

[minor gust]

you will do that for any of the fights you feel like you want cleave on

and if theres some good SS usage

its only like 1.2% loss to pick up cleave collat which is pretty minor

[obsidian otter]

for normal i would of thought more arms would have raided already

heroic prolly even smaller

[minor gust]

its only NA numbers right now but not really a surprise.

[fossil thistle]

So one tip I’ll give everyone

[minor gust]

Even when really good arms is always low if fury is competitive

[fossil thistle]

Don’t charge alleria during intermission

[wind hatch]

I did that on my first pull LMAO

[minor gust]

I was dancing on alleria during intermission

you gotta keep hitting her so you get ur cds back!

AM op

[fossil thistle]

Same.. I oopsed

[wind hatch]

one thing i hate about this staggered raid release is that tier feels nonexistent

man knowing that they're killing reap the storm in the midseason patch is like knowing the exact day that you're gonna die

it feels so dreadful

[minor gust]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision-arms-feedback/2270878/56
If you dislike the 12.05 changes then add your comment. 2nd most popular ptr thread by a mile surely can't be ignored right

[wind hatch]

I already did lol

[minor gust]

Perfect

[wind hatch]

I realllly hope blizzard changes their mind

[minor gust]

We all do

[wind hatch]

but i kinda doubt they will

even though this is the most universally negative feedback Ive seen towards a change in quite a while

[proper cipher]

how to unlock nighmare prey?
got renown 4 already

[summer niche]

Is arms now only doodoo in st and aoe is fine or are we still like ultra ungabunga ?

Im EU and can only see for myself after work

Work work

[minor gust]

Arms aoe was always good

It just severely lacks in ST

[summer niche]

Sorry I meant if we are like really good in aoe now with the extra 15%

[dense sphinx]

quite good

[minor gust]

Well our aoe is 15% better now

[summer niche]

Does it feel like big d damage?

[minor gust]

I mean I don't know what else to say just picture the dmg you were doing and add 15 maybe 20% to that with new apex

[summer niche]

Just say yes

[minor gust]

[summer niche]

[minor gust]

Ok 3am brain cooked me sleepy now

[dense sphinx]

m0 with casual friends so

[stray vessel]

damns

[scenic umbra]

Juicy! Build?

[coarse ferry]

Is this what we call hope?

Watch next week Blizz be like: Arms is overperforming so we will nerf them 20%

[dense sphinx]

wowhead colossu m+

[wind hatch]

Piercing howl needs another nerf clearly

[minor gust]

Cleave will receive a nerf in these next 3 weeks. Not because they finally realized it's overtuned but because Warcraft logs pally bosses will show em

[vapid pine]

Blizzard thinking I use that for my team 💀

[minor gust]

[latent moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/284226322585354241/1483749076464828567/image.png?ex=69bbb882&is=69ba6702&hm=8d70cafacfaa96207754cb7c64969b157405f1d13b172f1fbb853a7d9395fbb1&

w map

[minor gust]

[gentle gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/champion-kanye-outer-banks-did-you-realize-that-you-were-a-champion-in-their-eyes-gif-8984157221498728749

[marble valve]

so MAYBE?

is it good now?

[carmine flower]

So whats the consensus

Is arms playable in raid or is it hard grief

[untold trench]

Poor Happy

[dense sphinx]

i raid in 3 hours

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rough pewter]

what did you choose from community engagement quest?

champion crest?

[gusty nymph]

as long as you cap crests, it is your pick. i choose hero but champions would have woked as well

[lusty creek]

are you using catalyst on a champion item? or is it better to wait for hero

[sacred zodiac]

its hc you can do whatever you want

[fresh spire]

more people that play arms the better metrics blizzard get

@minor gust just be this guy and play with many pis to invalidate his logs

[weak wave]

Can we craft a weapon this week without crests and upgrade it next week with myth crests?

[untold pewter]

Yes

[dawn root]

Does the weapon ranges matter between the axe and the sword? Like, the average DPS is the same but does it matter that the axe has more top end?

(crafted weapon)

[untold pewter]

It doesn't matter

[slow saddle]

Also choose sword

Axes are for fools

Mainly coz my crafter is sword speccrf

[solemn blaze]

arms bro's/sisters how we feeling?

[untold pewter]

Like the juice at the bottom of the trashcan behind the restaurant

[livid cloak]

Our aoe feels fine

Our st is not something you talk about in public

[austere solar]

Yup, the micro STdp...s syndrome is a real burden.

Warriors are too proud to talk about it

[median crag]

Can arms run bladestorm or is that too much of a loss for M+

[sacred zodiac]

@latent moss can not recommend doing this shit undergeared

[latent moss]

xaxaxa what ilvl were you

i was 246 xaxaxa

2x 259 weapons

[charred stream]

how's arms

[eternal edge]

it looks like this atm with current bosses

[steep citrus]

kinda a loss if youre playing colo

[worn knoll]

Why does blizz insist on arms being built/tuned around sweeping strikes, but then they design every multitarget boss fight as "keep these bosses spread 15+ yards apart at all times or you wipe" lol

Light vanguard boss feels good

But dreamrift, salhadaar, twin dragons, alleria all are spread cleave fights

Just...... ugh

[eternal edge]

idk tbh

[eternal edge]

that's why fury is better, better ST

[worn knoll]

Seems like destro locks will have a blast with Havoc as usual while we sit there and seethe that we cant SS

[eternal edge]

i was hoping for adds on bosses but

guess we'll play ST build most of the time as arms

[graceful sun]

Sweeping havoc: throw axes across the map to a 2nd target for 50% dmg

[worn knoll]

Give us more fights like lightblinded vanguard, pls

2 targets stacked at all times with an occasional 3rd

Chefs kiss

[sacred zodiac]

235

[latent moss]

axaxaxxa

ye i was 11 ilvls higher

[steep osprey]

Arms doesn't look too bad from what I've seen in the raid

but ST is probably bad

[eternal edge]

yeah it's because all bosses are not ST

[steep osprey]

Makes sense

Is there a 2 target fight?

[latent moss]

56 parsaes

[sacred zodiac]

Fury was easier tho funny enough

[slow saddle]

Just uhdk things KEK

[steep osprey]

Are there any 2 target fights

[eternal edge]

XD

[latent moss]

same for me

[sacred zodiac]

Ran out of Tools to survive on prot while fury had enough to kill thru the enrage, every swing did 60% of my hp

[eternal edge]

vanguard iirc