so is slayer arms actually dead for m+ i enjoyed the gameplay alot
#arms
blazing estuary
rose ibex
Does it actually nerf your damage or is it just a little dumb?
minor gust
so is slayer arms actually dead for m+ i enjoyed the gameplay alot
It was never as good as colo cuz colo aoe go brr but if you wanna play it go ahead. Slayer doesnt completely die till 12.05
dire hinge
Does it actually nerf your damage or is it just a little dumb?
It depends on which option you choose: Highlighted Assistant, or the One Button.
The highlight is just a little dumb and makes suboptimal choices. It also doesn’t highlight every spell.
The one button assistant increases your GCD length by 30%, effectively nerfing you for one GCD every time you press it.
No spec, especially arms, is terribly complex this expansion so honestly I’d recommend using neither. It’s a nice accessibility feature though.
rose ibex
No spec, especially arms, is terribly complex this expansion so honestly I’d rec...
I've been occasionally using the highlighted assist when trying new specs while extending my harem of alts and it often does make mistakes and avoids highlighting big cooldowns. Some specs it is definitely smarter than others I've noticed
dire hinge
Sounds right
I think Prot Pally had something like a 60% decrease from the highlight alone
rose ibex
I find its great for specs like Spriest and enh shaman who, outside of certain cooldowns, tend to just piano a priority list
flint cedar
It was never as good as colo cuz colo aoe go brr but if you wanna play it go ahe...
I am more than likely doing something wrong as colo - I am about 103k sustained - 110k at Slayer cleave
jagged finch
did the class changes happen already?
Master of warfare 4/4 still sims kinda low so guess not! but wowhead guide was updated suggesting it now. so must be a bit better
muted rune
Will m0 drop champ tomorrow? was that ever confirmed?
proper moth
Ez arms nerf again
olive nest
hushed pine
My first thoughts exactly lmao
jolly lintel
man that heroic strike macro stopped working for me when I went into a bg lol. cant get it to work again
hushed pine
man that heroic strike macro stopped working for me when I went into a bg lol. c...
Remake the macro or try relogging
stable fiber
SP just got big buffs so we're officially the lowest spec now again
they are almost worse then us btw
bugfix made them lose 10.7% damage lmao
queen garden
Did Sp closed their discord or something ? lol
stable fiber
Did Sp closed their discord or something ? lol
the spec might be in a way worse spot then arms now
so
wouldnt doubt it
they can always go healer though
dire hinge
man that heroic strike macro stopped working for me when I went into a bg lol. c...
it's finicky. It's also a small DPS loss, so honestly i'd just learn the rotation without it until blizzard fixes their bugginess
i've had that bug persist for days across varying content
eternal edge
That's why I said this
hushed pine
their aoe is getting nuked but their st is getting giga buffed
warm fog
Big buffs do shadow, hope for arms!
stable fiber
their aoe is getting nuked but their st is getting giga buffed
they would have been pretty good in this raid
not so sure anymore
another aoe nerf (bugfix) to them in a pretty spread cleave heavy raid
wind hatch
is there a single patchwerk fight this tier
stable fiber
is there a single patchwerk fight this tier
nope
warm fog
Not yet but we are missing 2 bosses still
north forge
Big buffs do shadow, hope for arms!
jovial hare
nova marsh
So guys how hard is day 1 heroic
sudden fox
Lets buff aug over arms, thats always a great idea
magic canopy
minor gust
sage badge
Arms owns.
minor gust
tacit moat
you know what is realllllly cool about Arms? You get a million things to buff MS and you press it and it does 25k dmg >.>
vast helm
storm fulcrum
shadow matrix
hello guys, is there any value to craft an item in veteran if we have all slots looted from m0 ? like weapon ?
smoky kayak
hello guys, is there any value to craft an item in veteran if we have all slots ...
the main benefit of veteran crafting is getting easy embellishments, where the special effect is more important than ilevel - generally on bracers/cloak/belt
- weapon ilvl matters, so you probably don't want to craft one unless you're spending sparks on it
pulsar elk
goddamn i loooove the change, i was bitching about the tier 4 rank
also 15% dmg all around lets fuckin gooo
tacit moat
we are still bottom of the barrel with buffs but yeah its a start
pulsar elk
i mostly play m+ so im not so sure thats true for dungeons but well see
wind hatch
sims
wind hatch
brewmaster is simming higher in st than arms lol
slow saddle
Sims thats why
pulsar elk
yeah simming patchwerk doesnt take into account the insane aoe that arms pumps out, overall is what matters in m+
riiight sims that arent updated for the changes either
slow saddle
Sims in st spec col looses tanks
slow saddle
riiight sims that arent updated for the changes either
Hm m8
Our simmers are done
Instantly
wind hatch
yeah simming patchwerk doesnt take into account the insane aoe that arms pumps o...
yeah arms aoe is pretty solid and its not like completely unviable now but colossus st is still too weak
slow saddle
By a mile tbh
pulsar elk
idk im done arguing status in m+ based on patchwerk sims, tww colosus arms st sucked the entire expac and it was still viable / fun
slow saddle
Add another 20% via ms // hs // exe then
slow saddle
idk im done arguing status in m+ based on patchwerk sims, tww colosus arms st su...
M8
Tww arms
Had same st as fury
In sims
And then bad st in m+
But for meme keys go ahead
slow saddle
How so?
I was bad id say, but i did cap at like 3800 as arms
Or 3750 mby
So id say i played it a lot in tww
In beta as well
And tww st was bad yes. But way above tanks😅
foggy quiver
Doesn’t it annoy you that fire mages got two balance passes before even releasing the changes?
viscid geode
I'm still playin my Arms, but man it's annoying having the Guardian druid nipping my heels on AoE dmg lol
foggy quiver
I mean in a logical sense who’s needing more attention? A fire mage or arms warrior?
wind hatch
I'm still playin my Arms, but man it's annoying having the Guardian druid nippin...
guardian druid is being nuked soon 🙏 🙏
crude sonnet
Is depression still kicking in?
1000%. The copium wore off after the tuning announcement so now it's just espresso depresso.
soft dew
I mean, I'm still a bit hopeful they'll tune us a bit more in next passes, but I don't expect anything big
crude sonnet
The problem is that the arms player base is tiny so we don't have the numbers to bully Blizz like ret pallys.
rose ibex
I think this is all we'll get for this patch but maybe more on the next and hopefully the 12.05 changes don't go through
Apparently we are simming pretty good at 5+ targets so... maybe things wont be so bad for m+ at least
jagged finch
Crucible of Erratic Energies is now simming good
thick kelp
Apparently we are simming pretty good at 5+ targets so... maybe things wont be s...
8t 2min
jagged finch
wait do we need to attune it also ngl idk
thick kelp
its big
rose ibex
Good big?
thick kelp
yeah
rose ibex
Does this mean father will love me again?
rose ibex
That's ok so long as I can big smash for big numbers
spring vale
not when you do 75k ST in that build
Justify your spot by pressing die by the sword and taunt. If we are doing tank numbers we better do tank things
vital summit
Look, I found Arms Warrior IRL
thorn stream
Wdym ?
jagged finch
Do we need to attune the Crucible of Erratic energies for it to work properly? it sims quite decently
gentle gyro
1000%. The copium wore off after the tuning announcement so now it's just espres...
Did people really expect 15% to help?
night niche
It's fun that they had made some additional tuning changes for ret aug shadow and fire but no arms
quaint otter
median canyon
What all abilities can proc heroic strike?
thorn stream
Do we need to attune the Crucible of Erratic energies for it to work properly? ...
I really don’t get what you mean by attune
vapid pine
It's fun that they had made some additional tuning changes for ret aug shadow an...
Mostly based on bugfixes
gentle gyro
It's fun that they had made some additional tuning changes for ret aug shadow an...
Shocking, isn't it?
night niche
Mostly based on bugfixes
Arms as a whole is a bug that blizzard has no idea how to fix
weak rain
Bzzz bzzz
rare kite
Or 15% not enough enough
not enough
tight wing
nowhere Near enough, needed at least 30% to be low-mid at best, iirc (the exact numbers elude me atm)
tight wing
our AoE's not bad though
slender sonnet
tight wing
they better give it the same treatment Ret got in whenever it got reworked (I forgot lol)
open echo
how about some nerf
crisp crane
still accurate after 7 years:
https://youtu.be/HIma7iivOe8?si=mvNwHFjRnh9OP4H6
torpid acorn
https://tenor.com/view/where-you-at-gif-21177622
im huffing some really high quality hopium that arms changes will be announced.
yesterday they released 2 different posts.
snif snif
glacial pebble
is LFR coming after reset today?
tight wing
I think the first wing is
slow saddle
would solve a lot
tight wing
I have to ask, though I don't think it is, is that real?
dire beacon
might aswell be 
astral yarrow
I have to ask, though I don't think it is, is that real?
If you press "F12" on your keyboard you can edit the HTML of a webpage locally. Someone just did a funny ^^
tight wing
Oh LOL I forgot you could do that xD
spring vale
Im pressing f12 in game to edit the scaling of my mortal strike 😎
oak flame
even Shadow Priest got a better buff (16%) on top of single spell buffed rofl
this is a joke
flat willow
<@185860840732229632> lol
still haven't changed my name in this discord, don't think I ever will have to
weak rain
Why on bloodmallet we have around 93k dps?
daring heron
saving this for future thumbnail
fresh spire
Guys we copium for some buffs
If priest got buffed surely arms has a chance before next wednesday
icy mulch
icy mulch
Greil is still going on about how we don't know the full picture. lol, man I really wish I was as optimistic as him.
fresh spire
There is no real picture
finite ocean
Buff today?
fresh spire
Blizzard cannot tune execute because of deep wounds and reap
That's why they are trying to explode it
wary steppe
They ve put all these non gameplay passive damage layers that turn spec design to crap
fresh spire
I mean id consider sd reap a gameplay layer that's not very passive since it encourages rotational change on aoe. Where before 0 buttons had impact.
icy mulch
I'd love to see Execute have some impact on AoE in general as well.
You know, like how they kinda promised they'd do.
fervent jackal
These are the people who thought a channeled ability was good idea for a warrior permanently i the bosses face. Why move?
uncut yacht
weak rain
I wish they reworked stupid demolish own debuff into just applying CS debuff and reworked double colossal might stacks on ms crit into MS granting +1 colossal might stack for every exe precision buff on it(so 3 stacks with 2 exe precision buff from MS)
fresh spire
I'd love to see Execute have some impact on AoE in general as well.
If we must forgo the exploding of reap. Then execute in slayer needs to hit additional targets regardless of sweep/improved ww to conpensate like prot execute
fresh spire
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/march-17-buffs-released-for-arms/2271704...
I mean that's what we been saying as it's likely true
icy mulch
See, that would be a logical application to the problem.
fresh spire
Though blizzard may think the apex is worth way more thsn it is as we only get 2 stacks not 5
Unless they secretly buffed proc rate and not mentioned it
icy mulch
Blizzard doesn't seem to use logic though.
weak rain
Though blizzard may think the apex is worth way more thsn it is as we only get 2...
Imyagine how arms will pump with stats in later ssns
icy mulch
I get the 5 is for god tier RNG protection.
fresh spire
More crit arms gets the better it's going to get for sure
But not that much
I mean average proc is 2
Average is 3 during sweep
Only time you may hit 5 is in keys
Where your holding for next pacj
astral yarrow
xdd
tight wing
I can get up to 4 on bosses, but I average 3
weak rain
Test of might should've been our apex sadge
fresh spire
Test of might was dogshit.
icy mulch
Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see where it does land. I still think this is gonna be an unsub expansion though.
fresh spire
Ruined any burst potential of the spec as the proc was never during cds
They may yolo send a buff today when server comes up who knows
astral yarrow
ToM is also just not that clear in its effect. Is it better to use damage buttons during the CS part or ToM window?
Nothing ingame really makes that clear
fresh spire
Judging by fact they are still tuning even before the patch shows their still looking at bugs and numbers
tight wing
They may yolo send a buff today when server comes up who knows
they better lol
fresh spire
My honest guess is they thought the apex was worth like 10% our damage and was waiting to see how it ended up vs other classes first day hc logs is going to show the true state of arms
And we will get buffed either following Wed or maybe even before
astral yarrow
I am still convinced they dont sim or write any APL-esque stuff
but they sort of have to with OBR
fresh spire
They do have apl. Called one button
thorn stream
Test of might should've been our apex sadge
Am I the only one disliking test of might back in the day?
fresh spire
They do testing with one button as far as I heard
astral yarrow
They do testing with one button as far as I heard
i hate it here
fresh spire
tight wing
they 100% don't sim
fresh spire
Full dev raids with one button
No wonder pet classes on top smh
Also dk bug was fixed today so their about to gain back like 7% dos
It's jover
astral yarrow
but i mean, sim numbers are just still that. Theoretical. But no amount of in practice will make up the difference between arms sim numbers and dk sim numbers lol
rough phoenix
They do testing with one button as far as I heard
no fucking shot
weak rain
Am I the only one disliking test of might back in the day?
at least you had some interactions and gameplay going with it
isntead of current ooga booga style
tight wing
but i mean, sim numbers are just still that. Theoretical. But no amount of in pr...
which is why I hate to sim lol
astral yarrow
Sim is very valuable for what it is, but taking it as gospel in every situation is just delusional
fresh spire
Sub rogue looks middle of pack. But it's kit looks like it could easily be top 5 with all the adds and its damage profile for aoe being nuts
tight wing
I still do, but I don't base all of my gameplay around it
tight wing
Sim is very valuable for what it is, but taking it as gospel in every situation ...
this
astral yarrow
Good luck putting up a correct sim profile for Sylvanas
but its the best we realistically can do, so working with what we can
fresh spire
Though there is a huge discrepancy when a class is 30^ behind the top. There is no raid encounter that could make them meta
astral yarrow
Thats what i mean with the dk thing
fresh spire
Dk is so back lol
astral yarrow
no amount of fight design will make up for UHDK straight up doing double arms sim numbers before the pass
tight wing
was it ever gone?
astral yarrow
my biggest gripe is how every niche arms has/had it doesnt excel at
2 target blows
execute blows
bleeds blow
thorn stream
Remove bleeds
weak rain
buff bleeds
tight wing
I'd say remove DoTs for arms and dump them on fury, ripping enemies open is more a fury thing anyways
astral yarrow
Rend has been the arms thing since vanilla and randomly they want it to be a prot/fury thing as well
astral yarrow
its so odd to me
fresh spire
Rend has been the arms thing since vanilla and randomly they want it to be a pro...
I only just noticed what your picture was. I open social media after and see this right after
tight wing
bleeds was always in arms' dentity
yeah but so was the presicion, the careful aiming for vital spots, the hard hits
fresh spire
Scary
plucky fern
people who want to remove bleeds should just reroll ret
thats the spec that you want to see
arms without bleeds
but also better tuned because they are whiners
astral yarrow
I only just noticed what your picture was. I open social media after and see thi...
Love that guy
fresh spire
Bleeds are fine. The lack of support from colossus is not
fresh spire
Love that guy
Just a lil guy
Kinda wish cleave would apply rend now like ww does for fury.
astral yarrow
I didnt even know about him when i changed the pfp, i just thought it was hilarious with a lil monke walking around with a monke plush
weak rain
I mean DW is kinda fun currently, especially in exe phase
fresh spire
I've seen so many clips of him being bullied
astral yarrow
I mean DW is kinda fun currently, especially in exe phase
the what phase now
fresh spire
You mean the cleave phase
tight wing
people who want to remove bleeds should just reroll ret
Nah screw ret, too simple I can't play it
fresh spire
You know executes bad when archi suggested having apl not swap to execute when cts not taken
So execute apl stays clean
astral yarrow
<:keks:936231610850897992> I've seen so many clips of him being bullied
I havent seen clips, but i've read the articles
poor lil dude
slayer_arms_execute+=no
plucky fern
i dont even get the bleed hate anymore
it was kinda justified to hate them when sks was played because it was pain in the ass but now you kinda dont even need to do anything expect for pressing rend every 20 seconds which is an aoe button now as well
tight wing
my guess is that it feels like a waste when it does almost no damage for a GCD and rage, though it does gen rage too so
astral yarrow
I actually ended up liking SKS
astral yarrow
but that was also when i did the most APL work, so it has a special place in my heart
fresh spire
Sks rework was a mistake
astral yarrow
yeah idk how they could've saved it though
astral yarrow
i dont think it needed the rework it got
but i get why
i remember it was worth refreshing rend if there was less than 17 seconds on it before pressing SKS
weak rain
Sks rework was a mistake
Should've just made MS apply wounds first and then do damage
tight wing
only reason I recommend getting rid of it is because DoTs and bleeds are so hard to balance, and blizz can't comprehend them for warrior lol
astral yarrow
it also felt sort of bad sending a 2x EP buffed MS into a DW-less target
tight wing
what is SKS again?
plucky fern
if anything i think they should expand on bleed theme on arms, its the only thing that really worked in past years, when bleeds are strong arms is strong, prime sks, bleed roar carried aoe etc
'hit slow but hard' theme just doesnt work anymore, just bad design
astral yarrow
only reason I recommend getting rid of it is because DoTs and bleeds are so hard...
Its easier on melee specs, since you dont have to balance for spread cleave
astral yarrow
what is SKS again?
Skullsplitter
tight wing
ahh thanks, I could picture the Icon but forgot the name lol
astral yarrow
if anything i think they should expand on bleed theme on arms, its the only thin...
People disliked the bleed style of arms, since it felt like your buttons did nothing up front but just added to a basically permanent debuff
come out of a raid fight in nyalotha and your DW did 60% of your damage
tight wing
DoT management is for Cats, rogues, and locks
weak rain
Remove master tactician and reintroduce SKS, but hasted and that applies both rend+dw
would be great as capstone
tight wing
as soon as there's more than one it will become management though
astral yarrow
I just need a reason to apply rend instead of it being the best DPE
SL arms did it ok with 10% crit damage on targets with rend
tight wing
because you HAVE to keep them up with the pandemic window if you want good damage
astral yarrow
gave me a reason to care outside of DPE
plucky fern
current arms dot design with 'crits applying dw' and 'dw just stacks when applied multiple times' is perfect, they just need better numbers and like a few more synergies for bleeds
Imagine them finally removing stupid ravager, maybe avatar as well and just bring back roar with good capstones
tight wing
they'd just make ravager a bleed lol
tight wing
100%
tight wing
a clunky bleed spec though, they REALLY need to rethink The smash
spring vale
Id gladly give up ravager to have thunderous roar back
plucky fern
roar/bs choice node just feels right
spring vale
Esp with new deep wounds
tight wing
I agree
vast helm
plucky fern
if anything should be removed from arms kit its slam
i will die on that hill
non buffed ms is already on 'filler' level of damage just remove the cooldown and delete slam already
tight wing
despite it having the same qualifications as rend? (I think, it may have been added later I didn't play classic)
plucky fern
both slam and rend exist since classic
slam tho has like 10 different reworks over the years
and it never felt good to press
just give up on that button already blizzard
tight wing
didn't it hit like a truck in TBC?
plucky fern
no it was a filler with 1.5 seconds cast time that reset your swing timer
with talents reducing the cast time but still
just horrible
eternal edge
i like that sentence "rend and slam exist since vanilla" and say after that "just give up"
first of all stop with rend
then you can talk about slam
plucky fern
unlike slam rend was never really that bad of a button
rapid bronze
good morning to everyone except the warrior dev
eternal edge
rend is more a problem than slam overall and through years
plucky fern
it was always 'okay'
what is the problem with rend
was it ever resetting you swing timer? did it had cast time? was it 'just a worse version' of another button'?
no, its a unique spell, it had synergies and mechanics working with it
eternal edge
bruh
slam has more synergies than rend actually
it's not so unique tbh, bleed are a part of rogues dmg too years ago and recently too
plucky fern
before midnight there was LITERALLY just 2 talents that had word 'slam' in it
In entire class+spec tree
eternal edge
i just don't get it why so many ppl are angry against slam when it's just a fucking filler
why don't you focus on real problem about our spec fr
slow saddle
i just don't get it why so many ppl are angry against slam when it's just a fuck...
Slam is fine
it does exactly what its supposed to
Reset OP
eternal edge
it does exactly what its supposed to
yeah thanks
plucky fern
because terrible spec flow and rotation is the main problem of arms?
plucky fern
and having 3 buttons doing the exact same shit but with different rage cost IS bad design?
latent moss
gave me a reason to care outside of DPE
none
latent moss
even the crit damage from sl is fake but at least it made ur big numbers bigger which is a lot better than a passive dot silently doing 5%
plucky fern
does all buttons 'bonk 1 target with no other effects' in other classes?
slow saddle
Execute Fucking slays ( if sub 35% )
Slam resets op
like it seems to me buttons have a Clear role in our rotation
and our rotation ATM is fucking good
rotation is 100% the LEAST of our issues
eternal edge
because terrible spec flow and rotation is the main problem of arms?
ahaha no. most of ppl here said rotation is good damn
slow saddle
like we got a good prio list atm Procc based spec
that is what we are it flows Well esp slayer
tight wing
does all buttons 'bonk 1 target with no other effects' in other classes?
there are plenty of buttons with no purpose, frostbolt in frostfire fire for example
slow saddle
now collosus struggles, but thats design choices of blizzard less to do with actual rotation
eternal edge
there are plenty of buttons with no purpose, frostbolt in frostfire fire for exa...
thank you.
tight wing
idk the colo's main smash sucks
imo anyways
mostly bc you can't move when casting it
thick kelp
there are plenty of buttons with no purpose, frostbolt in frostfire fire for exa...
Doesnt frostbolt get replaced by frostfire bolt on that hero spec??
thick kelp
lol
weak rain
Idk colossus in s3 tww was actually kinda enjoyable
tight wing
fireball does
thick kelp
this is what I get for only playing spellslinger
latent moss
your punishment
astral yarrow
what are you doing this tier @thick kelp
latent moss
is heroic raid as colo arm
latent moss
what are you doing this tier <@865605822638063647>
he is playing colo arm in raid
latent moss
passion ahh
thick kelp
dropped a few world ranks but
slow saddle
mostly bc you can't move when casting it
again non issue
latent moss
1 second a week raiding or
twilit flare
Im so ready to orange parse these easy fights. they are so made for arms warrior. ilvl 234 rn
slow saddle
like u can leap away now, and lets be honest, i havent died after to standing still. once i started playing collosus more regularly
thick kelp
1 second a week raiding or
6h per week even
latent moss
wtf
thick kelp
#passion
plucky fern
arms rotation is fine?
button bloat still there, rage starvation is there, most of buttons dont feel like they have any weight
i've never read something like 'wow arms design is so good' in this channel, sayijng that everyone here likes arms rotation is delusional take
slow saddle
Im so ready to orange parse these easy fights. they are so made for arms warrior...
nothing like parsing 100% and loosing to a 50%er
latent moss
bro went from 6h per week wr 200 or sum to 6h per week 1k
slow saddle
arms rotation is fine?
button bloat still there, rage starvation is there, most ...
button bloat rly isnt a thing for arms imho
and Rage issues has nothing to do with rotation
slow saddle
the reason buttons doesnt "feel" good, is because ALL our fucking power is allocated into Cleave
thick kelp
bro went from 6h per week wr 200 or sum to 6h per week 1k
24h per day outside of raid work vs 1h
I could be responsible and make some timers for myself on a timeline
if thats even possible
slow saddle
B4 they nerfed MS - OP - Dreadnaught - Execute- Deep wounds
thick kelp
but honestly
slow saddle
my buttons felt quite impactfull
latent moss
you are
slow saddle
no1
tight wing
again non issue
yeah just a personal hatred of it, not a big deal
latent moss
will i get killed by hammers
shrewd yew
Big brain move from blizz.
Can't say it performs poorly this tier if there's no data for it in raid
thick kelp
its just me and y ou going back and forth
slow saddle
yeah just a personal hatred of it, not a big deal
issue is more
they nerfed the aoe with 20%
like i dont mind a Downside to a thing
but it needs to fucking fuck
tight wing
but it needs to fucking fuck
100%
latent moss
if there are 100000 arms logs im one of them. if there is only 1 log thats me if there are no logs im dead ahh statement
thick kelp
ahhh
latent moss
i hope they just aura buff arms again
twilit flare
they are not buffing arms anymore, please stop copeing.
latent moss
and completely forget to nerf cleave so colo is insane in m+
twilit flare
this is it
tight wing
they are not buffing arms anymore, please stop copeing.
I don't really care, I genuinely enjoy the spec
astral yarrow
dropped a few world ranks but
wr 30 to 1k
gentle gyro
If only they could double what they gave us
30% and even better apex
Nerf cleave idc
astral yarrow
i'd categorize me going from wr 20 to 60 is a few
tight wing
I feel like any druid has you beat
latent moss
tbf i could just remove execute
latent moss
bro u can unbind execute from colo m+ build
astral yarrow
and this tier im the only warrior xd
latent moss
and u lose like 100 dps
latent moss
I feel like any druid has you beat
isnt feral 2 buttons
gentle gyro
gentle gyro
So which one is the most braindead of them all? Fire?
tight wing
frost
gentle gyro
No way in hell arms is one of the easier ones
tight wing
no, it's just not the most complex
gentle gyro
Not saying that it is, a mid ass spec in every regard
spring vale
Frost dk and ret have like the fewest damage buttons
gentle gyro
Including complexity
latent moss
idk what spec has more things to think about than colo in m+
gentle gyro
Allat just to entirely miss demolish
eternal edge
No way in hell arms is one of the easier ones
more complicated but less dmg
No one will play arms except ppl who likes it
twilit flare
I dont like it and will still play it.
plucky fern
I feel like any druid has you beat
technically druid has more spells in spellbook that warrior
but they have less 'usable' buttons, most of it is some useless spells or spells intended for other specs, like you dont put mangle on your bar as balance etc
i have a feral as well and i display less spells in CDM than on arms
thick kelp
wr 30 to 1k <:keks:936231610850897992>
life is life etc
tacit sandal
I have a theory that Arms will average okay, since only tryhard and long-time Arms players will play it and get the maximum out of it, while everyone else will jump on meta classes and therefore lower the overall average logs
gentle gyro
I have a theory that Arms will average okay, since only tryhard and long-time Ar...
It will peak the second I leave retail again
(usually s2)
Happened since DF
plucky fern
eventually they will tune arms to be like middle of the pack
cant ignore us this time
every streamer or tier list maker makes fun of arms
smoky jungle
Well, we still have another week or two of tuning... 35% between the top and the bottom is outside of Blizzard's dps expectations
plucky fern
ofc they dont, but if everyone is talking about it then even blizzard will notice
that this spec needs god
gentle gyro
Someone like Max just says that 99.5% of people shouldn't care about tuning
And you just sit afk in a major hub for 3hrs and leave
halcyon valve
more complicated but less dmg
No one will play arms except ppl who likes it
atp liking arms isnt enough, only true lovers remain
slow saddle
I mean i wanna raid as arms
gentle gyro
They are completely out of touch
plucky fern
yeah, people like max just never used lfg to find an m+ run
halcyon valve
I mean i wanna raid as arms
I will raid as arms
flint cedar
I mean i wanna raid as arms
Then Raid as Arms
slow saddle
Then Raid as Arms
Current tuning makes that impossible
I cant expect my guild carrying a spec thats si much worse
Than fury
gentle gyro
4th roster, just because of battle shout
halcyon valve
I will keep playing arms until morale improves
tight wing
Current tuning makes that impossible
nah, raiding well as arms is impossible
gentle gyro
And all fury warriors suddenly died
gentle gyro
Don't do this to me
slow saddle
nah, raiding *well* as arms is impossible
My guild is good enough 2 know, bad enough i need 2 play fury🤣
halcyon valve
Be the only arms, get free 100 parses
halcyon valve
- ten armillion aura
flint cedar
Current tuning makes that impossible
It is not impossible - Play what you love - I had a weak moment about switching to fury a few days ago then swapped back to what I love playing - If your guild is making you switch then its time to make a change. A small percentage of people playing this game will be in a "ZOMG MIFFIC RAYDE FURST!!!!" guild.
halcyon valve
It is not impossible - Play what you love - I had a weak moment about switching ...
💬
flat willow
Even the most tolerant casual guild will frown when your dps does tank single target
Which you will do if you play arms
slow saddle
It is not impossible - Play what you love - I had a weak moment about switching ...
Now its and mmo
astral yarrow
hc is too easy and m+ giga blows
last saddle
now its and em em oh
slow saddle
Bein egotistical in raid is imho not fair
last saddle
arms damage profile will actually make it middle of the pack on some fights this tier so its not completely troll
astral yarrow
slow saddle
I mean doubtfull
plucky fern
Even the most tolerant casual guild will frown when your dps does tank single ta...
big true
last saddle
but some fights it will be troll
astral yarrow
thats the copest cope damn
last saddle
most*
slow saddle
All will be
last saddle
i think it should be decent on the triple pally fight
spring vale
In delves nobody can make you feel bad for playing dog spec because its just you
And also its delves
slow saddle
i think it should be decent on the triple pally fight
But thane fury
weak rain
unless you ruin delve run
spring vale
unless you ruin delve run
Valeera beat me to it
last saddle
the pally fight is 2targets for most of it right? bc theres one channeling in a big aoe that you cant go in
or did i play the vellum fight wrong
astral yarrow
sadly arms 2 target is also dog
flat willow
Valeera is going to leave you if you pull up to your delve as arms
Everyone in silvermoon will make fun of you
slow saddle
sadly arms 2 target is also dog
I mean perma 2 target... has a chance
flint cedar
Which you will do if you play arms
"Tolerant Casual Guild" you mean like a Ahead of the Curve Guild or a Cutting Edge Guild?
eternal edge
"Tolerant Casual Guild" you mean like a Ahead of the Curve Guild or a Cutting Ed...
between that
slow saddle
There
astral yarrow
I mean perma 2 target... has a chance
for those 8 sweeping charges we are allowed
flat willow
I don't think anyone is happy with tank level damage from a dps, even people only doing heroic raids
astral yarrow
I said perma uptime🤣👍🏻
yeah sweep has charges for some reason
slow saddle
I don't think anyone is happy with tank level damage from a dps, even people onl...
Tbf tanks being 74-90k is insand
plucky fern
thinking arms gets better on 2-3-whatever target fights is pure copium
fury will still do better
plucky fern
you can have 999 sweep charges it doesnt change the fact that you hit like wet noodle
slow saddle
I mean we still 2 x our dmg
flint cedar
between that
That is what my guild is. We get our AOTC, have fun and We dip our toes in Mythic later in seasons - Everyone plays what we like and we do decent by our standards. Find you a better guild if they are putting this kind of stress on you.
weak tusk
Wdym, it changes the number of sweeping charges
white stratus
15% flat dmg boost going to help alot
weak tusk
Very impactful
plucky fern
you also forget that to get '24 100% seeping charges' you need to invest 3 talents
opportunity cost
eternal edge
That is what my guild is. We get our AOTC, have fun and We dip our toes in Myth...
no stress actually. but arms are way under other specs tho so i'll probably be benched because of that if i don't switch fury (and it's def understandable)
let's cope for another buff huh
plucky fern
also idk, people are talking about 'play what you like', but even tho i like arms i just cant enjoy the game when im doing tank damage as dps its just not fun
maybe im not a 'true' arms enjoyer tho
its just depressing seeing this numbers
hot spear
Idk the gameplay for it is dookie fart too
kindred breach
playing what you like does not apply to this game when balancing is garbage
white stratus
Ive been running m0s as arms and its no where near as bad as everyone is claiming, plus 15% dmg boost coming. It takes a while to get used to the rotation feeling clunky but i think it feels great (i havent played it since bfa)
livid cloak
Ive been running m0s as arms and its no where near as bad as everyone is claimin...
Its fine until you get to the boss
weak rain
arms aoe is great
white stratus
I was top or 2nd dmg on like every single boss
hot spear
Ive been running m0s as arms and its no where near as bad as everyone is claimin...
Significantly more effort for less then fury warrior
livid cloak
Then you were playing with really bad or undergeared players
soft relic
I was top or 2nd dmg on like every single boss
Playing with bad players copium
eternal edge
I was top or 2nd dmg on like every single boss
m0 are not m+, with more HP your dmg will be less than that
livid cloak
Arms aoe is fine
hot spear
Also even easier to keep uptime when you can stand in 99 percent of the mechanics
flat willow
Top 2 out of 3 (third is Aug evoker)
flint cedar
let's cope for another buff huh
Sure it would be nice for another buff. But 90% of the people here are just posting heavy doom and gloom JUST like the paladin discord. - Do you though. I am enjoying my little dwarf and will be raiding as Arms because it's what I like playing. I don't need validation in a vidja gaim.
plucky fern
Ive been running m0s as arms and its no where near as bad as everyone is claimin...
m0 is deceiving data
shit dies instantly, other people barely care about optimising their dps
as soon as season starts and you start doing at least like 10+ keys and gear level rises, it will be a huge difference
kindred breach
Top 2 out of 3 (third is Aug evoker)
eternal edge
Sure it would be nice for another buff. But 90% of the people here are just post...
i'll do this too. I will be ready to switch fury if the gap is too high btw, but like i said here before, it will be my last ride if nothing changed. tired of garbage tuning
flint cedar
i'll do this too. I will be ready to switch fury if the gap is too high btw, but...
My arms brother!
eternal edge
My arms brother!
last saddle
we got 15% 💪 we hella strong 💪
uncut yacht
we got 15% 💪 we hella strong 💪
should have been 75
eternal edge
can't wait to see only prot war in RWF lol
plucky fern
nah i think its still fury for warrior spot, fury is fine you can justify bringing one and brew/bdk tanking
uncut yacht
why do you want a bdk?
eternal edge
grip
plucky fern
idk i just pulled a random class out of nowhere
i have no idea what the tank meta in raid is
but historically bdk is pretty good in raid
last saddle
i think only the bird needs bdk
2 best tanks are prot/brew it feels like
they are gonna bring 5 ferals for melee spots
plucky fern
feral is kinda bad in multitarget scnarios, its only good in pure st
and i believe theres not a single pure st encounter this tier
uncut yacht
grip
unholy will probably still be there, there's the grip
and you play brew prot cause they do a dps worth of damage
plucky fern
i'd bet on warlock/ddh stacking
eternal edge
unholy will probably still be there, there's the grip
yup, or FDK depending of the encounter
plucky fern
slightly less st damage but ranged and way better on padding
weak tusk
wtf expelled jumpscare
🫃
white stratus
m0 is deceiving data
shit dies instantly, other people barely care about optimis...
maybe idk well see i guess
slow saddle
i think only the bird needs bdk
If theres adds and they can be gripped
Bdk is nice 2 have
For overall raid dmg effecienct
white stratus
if its that bad then why are we just getting 15% and ret paladins are getting mega buffs
slow saddle
Rets st was cut
plucky fern
its also possible that some bosses can be cheesed with solo tanking bdk
slow saddle
To 15%
slow saddle
if its that bad then why are we just getting 15% and ret paladins are getting me...
Also we got 15% + 4% in talent
For 1 week its an agressive tuning
plucky fern
if its that bad then why are we just getting 15% and ret paladins are getting me...
thats the question that everyone want to know answer for
plucky fern
why did we get 3 consecutive nerf when being the worst spec in the game already
and why its only 15% compensation
white stratus
honestly i think it will be fine
slow saddle
As i said rets buff was cut 2 15% not 30%🤣
tight wing
shadow exists
slow saddle
Dno impact
plucky fern
also aurabuffing arms is stupid
we need direct huge buffs to solo target abilities
aoe is fine
astral yarrow
thank god the coming 12.0.5 changes are a net nerf as well
plucky fern
we dont need a fking aurabuff
eternal edge
shadow just got another buff
astral yarrow
arms was bordering on being serviceable
plucky fern
we need 50% ms damage or something
astral yarrow
slow saddle
also aurabuffing arms is stupid
we need direct huge buffs to solo target abiliti...
Buff ms op exe dw
white stratus
this is a good example on why meta class specs is dumb af lol, if arms warriors arent going to get invited whats the point in the playing the game at all
eternal edge
tbf, we need a revert on MS and slam nerf
astral yarrow
this is a good example on why meta class specs is dumb af lol, if arms warriors ...
community perception is half the game
slow saddle
U sign as fury
slow saddle
Switch in dungeon
white stratus
yeah tbf Meta is NOT something determined by the devs
eternal edge
yeah tbf Meta is NOT something determined by the devs
you mean that they responsible but they don't want to determine, right? xD
tight wing
you mean that they responsible but they don't want to determine, right? xD
yes
they cause it, but they don't dictate it, you don't see meta or tier lists as an option for classes in game, those are made by the community and in a lot of cases determined through personal likes and dislikes rather than raw numbers or actual usefulness. Which is why Tier lists are so dangerous now, obviously this is not always the case but you have to keep it in mind
white stratus
like the devs dont know that increasing ret paladin damage while giving scraps to the other lacking classes wont bring in any money kek
were going to get 5% with our tier also xD
tight wing
like the devs dont know that increasing ret paladin damage while giving scraps t...
never said that, just that the concept of 'meta' was determined by players
white stratus
they cause it, but they don't dictate it, you don't see meta or tier lists as an...
yeah thats mostly why i kinda hate wow tbh
tight wing
were going to get 5% with our tier also xD
I thought it was 9%?
it happens everywhere wdym lol
even in single player games, it's just not quite as obvious or intrusive
white stratus
i play turtle wow and it isent like that, every class is tuned to where all classes matter. i also play swtor and nobody cares what damage you play on that game
er class rather
tight wing
swtor?
white stratus
star wars the old republic
tight wing
ahh
white stratus
theres this allies chat, basically LFG people post LFM in there and i never got declined and it is no where near as long as trying to get a dps spot on wow
tight wing
tbf though, I feel like private servers aren't good examples because they stagnate pretty easily. so when you've had decades to learn from other peoples mistakes it's pretty easy to make something balanced, can't say anything about SWtOR bc I've never played it
white stratus
wym, Wow has been out for like 20 years its obviously by design
slow saddle
Wow is decently balanced
last saddle
🦾
slow saddle
Apart from prepatches like now
But when ppl hunt 25s
Ofc 2% matters
Like, i was arms last tier did not struggle with invites until like 18s
vapid pine
wym, Wow has been out for like 20 years its obviously by design
Bro people don't care in Turtle wow because the content is piss easy
If you queue up for normal raids you'll get in as any spec too with decent gear
slow saddle
And by then its ok 2 want meta
white stratus
Bro people don't care in Turtle wow because the content is piss easy
you're missing the point
tight wing
Ofc 2% matters
yeah I just wish people would stop gatkeeping low keys like f'ing 2s -_-
slow saddle
A spec is not meta in a vacume
unkempt wren
Wow is decently balanced
It has been recently, this pre-tuning was rough xD
white stratus
yeah I just wish people would stop gatkeeping low keys like f'ing 2s -_-
lol fr, first week M0 was out people were already gatekeeping and declining me as a 230ilvl like ok
livid cloak
This is fun to read while i poop
weak tusk
What arms needs in some leg days
slow saddle
lol fr, first week M0 was out people were already gatekeeping and declining me a...
I had no issues
weak tusk
Give the arms a break yk
slow saddle
M0 i made my own grp as 190
vapid pine
lol fr, first week M0 was out people were already gatekeeping and declining me a...
You're getting declined because there are 20 people with 240 ilvl signing. Why would you ever get picked over other poeple
slow saddle
And ppl insta jokned
livid cloak
lol fr, first week M0 was out people were already gatekeeping and declining me a...
Did you ever list a m0? 100 people apply in 2 seconds
slow saddle
Y
unkempt wren
lol fr, first week M0 was out people were already gatekeeping and declining me a...
Because unlike swtor, there are plenty of options as dps
slow saddle
Its insane🤣
tight wing
I made groups and declined people over 235 xD
slow saddle
No1 cared for classes
vapid pine
Wow players when supply and demand exists 💀
slow saddle
I just took 5 first
white stratus
you guys are just adding wood to the fire and further proves my point lmfao
slow saddle
I want lust and thats it🤣
unkempt wren
This is fun to read while i poop
Samesie
slow saddle
My god go play classic🤣
unkempt wren
Your point wasn't proven, it was null before u made it
tight wing
I tried to get people who looked like they needed the gear more, mostly because I knew they'd have a harder time finding a group
slow saddle
So irl
U are job hunting
U apply for job 200 apply u have the 50th best resume. Who will be hired?
Not u bitch
Such is life
tight wing
yeah but it's so dumb to open an entry level job that has a req of 15 years experience -_-
slow saddle
you guys are just adding wood to the fire and further proves my point lmfao
Dont worry in 1 reset on na, u will get into m0
tight wing
yeah but you reaaally shouldn't expect it, likely hood is they'll get a MUCH better opportunity and you've just gatekept for no reason
slow saddle
exactly. and u have to be ok with that
and in M0 thats a non issue
heck as i said until 18s-19s i had no issues last tier and arms was percieved as pretty garbo
tight wing
yeah, esp late season or End of expansion
white stratus
yeah but at the end its a stupid design flaw, like obviously ilvl and raiderio is a toxic addition to the game.
astral yarrow
ELO is also giga toxic in chess 😡
tight wing
again, Raider IO is player made -_-
white stratus
everyone wants the best runs for sure who wants to wipe 100 times on a dungeon, i get that 100% but its singles out alot of players from playing the game
tight wing
M+ score is in game, but not the tool for it
astral yarrow
everyone wants the best runs for sure who wants to wipe 100 times on a dungeon, ...
if i dont have raider io score to judge from in group finder, i have your name, ilvl and class to judge from. At least raider io score tells me the level of what you already have done
tight wing
I try to only do stuff I've pushed up to
unless I've been really unlucky with keys and have most of them high and a couple at +2 still
slow saddle
everyone wants the best runs for sure who wants to wipe 100 times on a dungeon, ...
no
like
its an MMO
the flaw is with the ppl playing it
or u
wanting to be carried
them not wanting to carry u
slow saddle
if i dont have raider io score to judge from in group finder, i have your name, ...
id say Raider.io has helped me ALOT as a non meta player
i got invites id never c if not
white stratus
im just here to play a game, idk why you're trying to pretend you are a top 1%
white stratus
yikes
livid cloak
Bro Oliver you are just posting L after L
slow saddle
u never have to step into anything above that
livid cloak
Just leave it be
spring vale
If gokke can do 18s on dog spec anyone can
livid cloak
Don't we all
astral yarrow
i've been trying to avoid it in prepatch
im a solid 12 hour player since hitting 90
slow saddle
he wants to play, but he doesnt wanna make a group // friends also he wants INSTA invite as a dps player
slow saddle
wasnt it ?
spring vale
It seems ironic from delve enjoyer like me but any time ive had to do m+ and I dont wanna wait I just make my own group and that shit fills so fast + u get to be the one picking
livid cloak
LOL
graceful sun
livid cloak
I think 3k was 1 percent as arms tbf
slow saddle
It seems ironic from delve enjoyer like me but any time ive had to do m+ and I d...
yeah like ofc if u have NO score Low gear Bad class and wanna join a Strangers key
you are going to have a bad time ^_^
is that the games fault though ?
stable fiber
A bit of the games fault
spring vale
You gotta be willing to brick a couple of your keys along the way but it is what it is
stable fiber
For being ass
tight wing
I find it funny, that the better a player you actually are, the less of an elitist you are LOL
slow saddle
ofc
tight wing
just a realist xD
spring vale
Real
slow saddle
man ive had some mean mofos
livid cloak
I find it funny, that the better a player you actually are, the less of an eliti...
18 plus keys last season were the most chill I did by far
12s were a nightmare
stable fiber
I find it funny, that the better a player you actually are, the less of an eliti...
This is the most truest statement ever typed
slow saddle
i stupped doing 12's
and went into like 15-16s
coz ppl were nicer
also with gear 12s was over so fast no fun 😄
spring vale
The new laddered system where its a lot harder to deplete if you do them all at a certain key level will prob do wonders for pug experience
tight wing
nah
slow saddle
what system ?
slow saddle
ah
stable fiber
Deadass the 10-12 bracket is so shit because the people who build groups there think they need a certain group comp to do it
spring vale
Ye
vapid pine
We don't need to speculate, we had resilient for a whole season. Shit's pretty much the same
slow saddle
resi key = i can sell it to the highest bidder
spring vale
What a shame
slow saddle
it was a good idea, but ppl wanted TIPS to join
tight wing
I only say it'll make it worse, because that means the players who ARE elitist can get higher
astral yarrow
resi key = i can sell it to the highest bidder
just leave note 😉
livid cloak
Resil keys are great to help friends get io
tight wing
100%
slow saddle
Resil keys are great to help friends get io
that they shouldnt have
u are gettin us the shitters 😄
livid cloak
Nah it just makes it easier if there's an early wipe or bad skip or whatever
slow saddle
the ppl with 0 cc 0 interrupt and mediocre dmg ... u know em 😄
vapid pine
Keys should only be resilient if everyone in the group has it on resilient tbh
slow saddle
yes but when he then has a timed 18 and inv expecting a decent player in a pug
i get ya friend u carried, now i must carry
^_^
u sir are an arsehole ( also i did the same kek ) 😄
thorn stream
i think he meant getting friends and poor players to smth like 12s easily
for them to learn the game
i love my friends but couldnt be arsed to drag them into resil 18s if they are not ready for it
livid cloak
Nah I meant helping my friends get 15s and 16s last season
tight wing
but people are so dumb about them when they're lower. I keep having people leave after 1 death bc "oh you won't lose any progress anyways" (this would have been true if: there wasn't a tank crisis(took like 2 hours to find a tank) and if the rest of the group didn't leave too) -_-
thorn stream
get them started to smth lower
slow saddle
Nah I meant helping my friends get 15s and 16s last season
tbf 15s is a decent place to learn
as shit starts to hurt enough to incentivize better play
slow saddle
but people are so dumb about them when they're lower. I keep having people leave...
i had VERY little of this happen tbh
but i did skip very fast over 10-12s
most of my keys ppl finished
ofc now u have to choose the "mood" of the key
so i would say elitist ppl take elitist setting
the rest of us take casual 🙂
vapid pine
Lack of tanks and healers is unironically the biggest problem in wow atm
tight wing
i had VERY little of this happen tbh
it happened to me constantly xD (like to the point where I just stopped playing because I couldn't get anything done)
slow saddle
it happened to me constantly xD (like to the point where I just stopped playing ...
tbf i seldomly whiped early in keys until i got into 18-19s
high snow
the most elitist shit playerbase resides within the 10-12 range.. 13s and up are way more chill
vapid pine
ofc now u have to choose the "mood" of the key
This might fix many of the issues tbh
slow saddle
but thats the "contract"
tight wing
tbf i seldomly whiped early in keys until i got into 18-19s
oh no, not a wipe, just 1 guy dying one time
slow saddle
oh no, not a wipe, just 1 guy dying one time
what key lvls ?
tight wing
12-13 ish iirc
tight wing
fair xD
slow saddle
i always asked ppl if they stay to finish b4 we start
if i was in doubt at all i booted em
high snow
dont invite idiots 😄
tight wing
I should start asking instead of just putting it in desc
tight wing
oh yeah, I try to avoid meta at all costs
slow saddle
they are reroller fotm idiots and suck coz they are stuck at that key lvl
tight wing
they are reroller fotm idiots and suck coz they are stuck at that key lvl
because of this xD
slow saddle
i avoid mages as well
white stratus
they are reroller fotm idiots and suck coz they are stuck at that key lvl
all by design
slow saddle
all by design
again
u cant cure idiot
its part of being in an game with other ppl
and in life
tight wing
u cant cure idiot
I like this one, right next to "I can't heal Stupid" ( used to main heals, had to stop bc I got too competitive with it)
white stratus
you guys pvp at all or naw?
slow saddle
problem is, when u lower skill cealing ( aka interrupts ) you get less agency as well
tight wing
they made it SO much more stressful T-T
slow saddle
ikr
as i said, less agency = more stress but ofc also easier in 10-12s
i havent rly pvped since TBC where i needed the gear from it
tight wing
I PvP in training grounds bc I'm lazy and don't feel like getting yelled at for targeting the guy they told me to target -_-
white stratus
lol healers are stupidely unkillable in pvp
slow saddle
😄
tight wing
lol healers are stupidely unkillable in pvp
unless you're arms
slow saddle
i mean i guess depends whatu u play
white stratus
LOL right
tight wing
the healing reduc is a godsend against healers
white stratus
i honestly dont even notice it, sometimes were like 5 guys trying to kill some holy priest and forget it
tight wing
there would be tuning issues
this as well
slow saddle
think arena
also if u are 5 guys
u are horrid
ngl
thats 5 interrupts 10 stuns
how the F does he live
if u can time anything just remotely
white stratus
stuns have diminishing returns you cant stun more than twice in a row within a certain amount of time
restive ledge
I like this one, right next to "I can't heal Stupid" ( used to main heals, had t...
I had a healer bud who stated, "i can heal stupid, just can't cleanse the debuff"
slow saddle
once u hit high keys
tight wing
I had a healer bud who stated, "i can heal stupid, just can't cleanse the debuff...
LOL
tight wing
I feel like WoW needs a new healer that doesn't have a weird range
slow saddle
we have more than enough healing classes tbh
pala-shaman-priest-evo-arms warrior ( or well dmg so low its basicly healing )
white stratus
lmao
slow saddle
tbf
most of it is tanks being overtuned in st
unless new theme is tanks being 70% the dmg of a dp
s
slow saddle
we could use a healer like Priest
tight wing
unless new theme is tanks being 70% the dmg of a dp
really going for a FFXIV approach
slow saddle
where u got 2 healing specs
problem is rly
that TOP dps spec is what 116
TOP tank spec 90k
that very close imho
but also means that BM vs arms is
well
how should i put it
1 to 1 in dps almost 😄
prot war setting at 70k makes perfect sense imho so prob just around 70k vs 110k dps seems fair enough
tight wing
yeah, and prot has always been one of the harder hitting tanks
torpid wave
daily reminder that ret paladin players are pedophiIes and sub 80 IQ
slow saddle
daily reminder that ret paladin players are pedophiIes and sub 80 IQ
what are mages then?
tight wing
daily reminder that ret paladin players are pedophiIes and sub 80 IQ
I wouldn't say all ret pallies
tight wing
mage takes skill
not anymore LOL
slow saddle
there is 1 good ret paladin in game
QRVA
he gets 10 points for name 10 points for being great
torpid wave
why doesnt mage take skill anymore
they still die agter 1 fucked up buggy blink
and blink is extremely buggy
if they get repathed into a wall they just die
tight wing
I forget nobody takes arcane momentum anymore, also I mostly just meant in terms of damage rotation
silk spade
worn knoll
Guys I'm curious.... if you were to put this talent setup into a sim with a 2h equipped not casting stormstrike at all, would you sim for more than slayer arms single target? Lmfao it's sad that Im actually not that sure of the outcome.
Reddit
That build seems troll af but like.... I was wondering
tight wing
Honestly? Probably. I'm not sure though, also no clue how to sim it that way
ionic mica
Guys I'm curious.... if you were to put this talent setup into a sim with a 2h e...
Probably not as spenders don't do any damage and you can't really do anything as enhance without dual wielding
uncut stag
why is reap of storm proccing from Execute, is the tooltip wrong?
dense roost
because that change isn't until the 0.5 patch, not now
tight wing
^^