arms

[eager sable]

Yeah, that part is a problem.

[runic rock]

Its not even in the ballpark. Id imagine tanks are doing 50-60k lol

[sharp wyvern]

brewmaster doing 90k

[runic rock]

Maybe its just cope but I feel like the spreadsheet can't be right

Its probably cope. Blizzard just abandoned arms warriors

[tawny thorn]

Nop. I like Arms Demolo being a DPS spec

But yea, we said many times, lust would be good on war, fits the lore, the fucking spec shouts stuff, banner or whatever Blizz want

But it wouldn't save the spec, if you bring lust and 20K st in M+

Lust won't make you sexy for M+ group

[minor gust]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision-arms-feedback/2270878/47

Speaking of my post if you hate the 12.05 changes make your voice heard. 2nd most popular post by a mile keep it up boys! No way we still get ignored!

[tawny thorn]

How wild is it that they plan on nerfing us in months while we are already in the gutter

[minor gust]

I don't really care that it's a nerf I care that it's destroying good gameplay

[tawny thorn]

It's like shooting someone that's already dead 😂

[minor gust]

But if that's what you care about voice that complaint in the thread!

More comments from more people the better!

[tawny thorn]

Idc about slayer unfortunately

I was saying in general

For warriors in general

[forest eagle]

Make ARMS great again

[hybrid canopy]

unironically forums are the best way to get feedback across to the devs, they don't look anywhere else really for the most part afaik

[tawny thorn]

They don't look at all 😂

[forest eagle]

I think we will be fine lads, trust

[hybrid canopy]

well they definitely aren't looking at the lobotomites on twitter or reddit for constructive feedback

[minor gust]

Blizz has said many times forums is the best way even if it doesn't feel like it. So if we can keep this forum thread active till the next set of ptr notes. We have a good chance to get these changes reverted or improved

[hybrid canopy]

whether you like it or not voicing your feedback on the forums is the best way to get things changed

[tawny thorn]

Yea no, they take datas from fucking delves and M0 to tune us. After many months of beta

[rose ibex]

Yeah the interaction is really fun

[tawny thorn]

So it's even worse

[tropic eagle]

this is the beta mate

they dont test shit

[rose ibex]

I love procs on procs

[tawny thorn]

Why beta then, if not to test and tune stuff

[rose ibex]

43 posts in your thread now!

[minor gust]

It's an interaction that slayer requires to feel good in AOE. Something we have asked for since TWW beta

[tropic eagle]

good question... been wondering the same for a while now

[rose ibex]

My experience is that forum posts never really change anything but its good to do anyways

[hybrid canopy]

idk you can complain about it and you might be right but if you're not saying anything in the forums you're yelling into the void

no devs peek class discords for feedback

[rose ibex]

WoW devs are notoriously stubborn

[hybrid canopy]

doesn't mean you shouldn't try

if you want your voice to be heard

[minor gust]

That's how I usually feel to but I'm taking a final stand here. I absolutely do not want to lose AOE on SD after only having it for half a patch. It's insanity

[tawny thorn]

Look what happened to fury in DF

[rose ibex]

Like there was a point in the past where they just decided to not adhere to any forum postings as a policy

[hybrid canopy]

otherwise you're pretty much just not doing anything about it

[tawny thorn]

They took data from heroic week, delves and M0

Fury got nerfed to the ground and below

[rose ibex]

I just want to spin and slayer has more spinning than other things

[hybrid canopy]

I don't think that's true at all ngl

forum posts have gotten things changed in recent expansions a good amount of times

[rose ibex]

I mean it was ancient times. Things change. Im old as fuck haha

Stopped playing the game between wrath and legion

[minor gust]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision-arms-feedback/2270878/47
All this yapping in discord and not enough yapping in here

[rose ibex]

I remember they used to be super active on forums and then suddenly stopped interacting with it at all and I think they released a statement regarding it but my memory is pretty shoddy on that

[tawny thorn]

Just the sheet above, where we do less damage than a Brew should be enough for blizzard to do something

[rose ibex]

I understand arms is at least doing well in multi target scenarios

[tawny thorn]

They have the data and even more

And yet, 88k

In ST build

[rose ibex]

Terrrrrible single target. Definitively the worst

But I hear they are one of the best for multi

[tawny thorn]

Imagine in M+ spec

20k ST Kappa

[rose ibex]

I havent seen the numbers on that but I hope someone has them haha

The single target is so bad that it definitely affects even m+

[tawny thorn]

Yea, and even if you have the biggest AOE by miiiiles, if you have no ST/prior

That's it

[rose ibex]

Im fine with having lower dps. I just dont want to be dead weight

[tawny thorn]

Yea same

I don't want to be busted so everyone reroll War

I just want to not be an affix

[rose ibex]

So good multi target numbers is a good thing at least. Maybe we can still get decent overall damage for the m+

Definitely not on bosses but you cant have everything

If tanks are strong then pulls will be bigger

huffs copium

My morale shall not waver

Ill play arms with my buds and my other character, a feral druid, should be strong enough to get in pugs

And if it truly is awful, I can just tank on warrior and still enjoy arms for pvp

[sudden topaz]

what do we need to be mid to low mid, another 15%? lol

[minor gust]

With how strong arms aoe will be on reset. Arms will be ok in M+ especially if your playing with a consistent group. And if you have the ability to form the comp around you. Just have the other two DPS be ST/prio focused

Add in a havoc DH to fuck up prio

And some other strong ST spec

[rough pewter]

fury is also shit dps ?

[minor gust]

Not really

It's pretty mid

[rough pewter]

oh, i cant decide what to play

elem shaman, arms, fury

[gusty nymph]

Ele. No doubt 🥳

[rough pewter]

yeah? why

[minor gust]

If dmg is all that matters to you then pick ele

If you value fun then just pick what's more fun shaman or warrior

[weak rain]

What are our predictions i nraid? dead last?

[minor gust]

Considering arms raid performance is all about ST since we can't meaningfully pick up aoe like fury... Yeah dead last

[rough pewter]

honestly all of three pretty fun to me, so idk. maybe i should roll with arms bczo i have a full premade team for m+. and i can pug with elem

[glass ibex]

So I am new to the discord but warrior has been my favorite class since I picked wow up...and while I was pretty sad about the state of arms, the buffs have me a bit hyped. Do yall think the update will actually have us grab the 4th apex point? If so what are we dropping to get ot?

[minor gust]

You can swap between arms and fury anytime. Just keep 2 sets of jewelry and a 2nd wep

[minor gust]

We will be dropping battlelord for the 4th apex point

[rough pewter]

you mean try to roll with arms if i rly like that and we will see what will happen?

[minor gust]

You said you were undecided between arms and fury. So I am just making sure you know you don't have to pick either. You can swap freely between them whenever you want

Secondary stats are pretty fake just have a 2nd set of jewelry

[glass ibex]

Cool thanks! How much do we expect the buff to really help our st?

[rough pewter]

oh, okey now i get it. thanks for the advice m8. I always played arms then i skipped it for tww. Now seems kind of fun actually so maybe ill try it

[minor gust]

The 4th apex is about a 3% gain. Arms ST is still very much in the trash and still behind a tank

Likely more buffs on the 24th

[glass ibex]

Even with the increase to our damage buff?

[minor gust]

Yes

Keep in mind many other specs got buffs just like us

[rose ibex]

Tbh dude (and I swing back and forth on this) just play what you think is the most fun. There will be pain if its not the strongest most meta class ever but it will be more rewarding and the meta will change fairly often in the next few months

[weak rain]

arms is still last dps spec

Slayer losing in st to brew monk

[glass ibex]

Damn

[weak rain]

colossus is obviously lower

[lofty jacinth]

and both hero talents suck thematically and in practise

[chilly cobalt]

pretty funny we got a huge buff and we are still dog shit

i like the heroic strike hero talent personally i just wish the stacks maintained and refreshed rather than falling off

[glass ibex]

See I think arms slayer feels amazing just needs numbers. Collosus used to be one of my favorites until the rage and energy changws

[dim basalt]

Rare colossus enjoyer

[proper moth]

I love colossus

[glass ibex]

Hahaha I love it cause it feels diff

[proper moth]

It’s just doo doo rn😔

[glass ibex]

Yeah the rage starvation is reall

[proper moth]

Slayer doesn’t play right that shiz feels janky as hell

[chilly cobalt]

idk i think slayer feels fine its traditional arms play but holy crap we need our abilities to do damage

[minor gust]

Nah that's way worse. It will make it feel like shit when it falls off and we would be tuned to whatever the stack cap is set at

[weak rain]

Colossus fits arms fantasy more

fuck slayer

[chilly cobalt]

execute not being one of our top damaging moves is insane

[lofty jacinth]

getting slimed by rets in all aspects feels so shit

[obsidian otter]

what about it feels janky? pressing MS? OP? CS? slam? cleave?

[minor gust]

Slayer is far from janky that shit is as smooth as butter

[proper moth]

Random BS procs visual overload for me I guess

[chilly cobalt]

feels fine to me just need damage

[obsidian otter]

so it looks janky to you not feels janky?

[lofty jacinth]

Alright guys stop arguing over nothing

[proper moth]

Visual feed back throws me on my rotation

[proper moth]

We just talking

[chilly cobalt]

aren't there options to turn that off so you don't get overloaded on the visuals?

[proper moth]

Probably doesn’t help that I don’t know what all the procs do since I have player warrior since the TWW changes

[minor gust]

No we hate each other personally now

[obsidian otter]

i get that for sure i like it personally myself spinning animation

[graceful sun]

Slayer is just budget Axe Counter Helix and I'm all for it.

[silk spade]

I can hear this gif

[wicked yoke]

Lot of people in here wanna shit on responding on the forums. I just dont get it. The ship is sinking. Doing nothing isnt working. So lets do something. Go voice your opinion the only place the Devs might look. They may not see your response. But if 100s of people comment. They may not be able to ignore it any longer. IDk maybe copium.

[lofty jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/katana-coke-bend-failed-slash-gif-16958998

[graceful sun]

swoosh

[proper moth]

Lmaoooo

[proper moth]

So for me who’s played Warrior forever visuals are overwhelming for me can’t imagine a new player lol

[rose ibex]

I love this

[halcyon hull]

yeah warrior visuals have always been pretty understated

[rose ibex]

Warrior visuals keeps me into it

Love the earthhattering slams and sound design

[wicked yoke]

I dont really play Slayer, I do think its Crazy when Playing Colo, that Ill have 3-4 Proc Highlights on my action bar and I am ignoring them to hit Cleave and MS. Maybe I am doing something wrong Idk

[halcyon hull]

in a world of people wielding the powers of gods and arcane sources we just hit things really hard

[rose ibex]

Love all the slayer spinning procs just firing off like crazy too. Love just being even bigger than everyone too especially as a tauren warrior

[obsidian otter]

onlything i miss from visual warriors is old CS animation i loved the jump smash they gave it to enhance shammy now 🙁

[rose ibex]

When you crush person after person in a bg with executes and mstrikes it also feels badass (made possible by our lovely pocket healers)

[lofty jacinth]

I like deathgripping my cock while pumping big executes man shit gets me so bricked

[pulsar frost]

Oh

[obsidian otter]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334323

[pulsar frost]

Arm players be like

[graceful sun]

Wrist warrior

[pulsar frost]

You guys dont even have a wrist

More like cut off arms warrior

[graceful sun]

get out of here fury window licker

[worldly rivet]

Is anyone going stat heavy on Mastery/Crit?

[rose ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/fast-show-crazy-nice-crazy-but-nice-jazz-club-gif-7535077791320291334

[obsidian otter]

if you only plan on doing mythic plus and our single target never gets buffed you might as well double down on upping our aoe lol

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cAsgAYEpLnofvX48c49q1v Our single target still struggles 😢

I like haste crit or haste mastery personally

[nova marsh]

Wrong discord for that

[graceful sun]

No no, let him cook

[pulsar frost]

Arashicage wants to watch him do it

[lofty jacinth]

I thought it was arms appropriate my bad

[obsidian otter]

it aparently didnt affend anyone where a mod stepped in so hes good lol

[nova marsh]

No its wrong discord cuz warrior dosent have death grip

[obsidian otter]

he was doing the deathgripping lol

arms was executing

[nova marsh]

So he's a dk multi boxed to a warr

[worldly rivet]

Would Mastery/Crit be more suited for Colossus?

[obsidian otter]

not sure I only play slayer

fury and arms

[minor gust]

You aren't really gonna go wrong with any amount of Crit haste mastery on arms

All 3 stats are good

Slayer tends to like more haste Colo tends to like a lil more mastery

But really it doesn't matter that much

[lofty jacinth]

Ultimately u want a thick weapon and a ton of strength

[rose ibex]

Ive been focusing on haste + crit. I never really know what is best and blindly follow guides and sims

[minor gust]

Just follow your top gear sims

The only thing that matters

[rose ibex]

I think its too early to sim at this point in any case

[minor gust]

No

[rose ibex]

I'm just happy to get any drops at all

More strength 💪

BIG MUSCLES

[lofty jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/admin-llegando-ete-sech-el-pepe-ronnie-gif-22077120

[worldly rivet]

I got the 2h from magister's terrace last night. I was going to use sparks tomorrow for 2H but I may just hold them for a few more weeks.

[lofty jacinth]

Yeah if you plan on raiding id even wait to see what drops for you

[worldly rivet]

took way too long. the BM hunter never soaked the balls on final boss and kept crossing the line and dying.

[lofty jacinth]

tell me about it Ive been tanking all the M0s and met some truly tomato can players

[obsidian otter]

thats why ill never tank lol

[lofty jacinth]

fair enough, but with the current tank shortage it's quite effective if you know your way around it

[worldly rivet]

oh and he never popped the jellyfish shield on previous boss.

haha

[lofty jacinth]

just have game sounds off listen to some zen music and be high as a kite, ignore party chat

And disable pings, it will do wonders for your mental health

[worldly rivet]

I never see pings.

[lofty jacinth]

the shittiest players are the most prepared to spam them

[rose ibex]

Feels like rushing 4pc tier set is the best thing to do so sparks start dropping randomly

Am I wrong in how that feat of strength system works?

[sudden topaz]

what does it mean i need 2 combinations for top gear sim

[rose ibex]

This guy gets it. Be one with the zug

[worldly rivet]

Do you think the Murder Row Boots that provide avoidance is a decent item? I only plan on doing mythic+.

[lofty jacinth]

Avoidance is aight but you don't really need it

[worldly rivet]

I came back in TWW from BFA and it seems the opinion on crafted items is so stingy.

[minor gust]

Means you either unselected something you currently have equipped or didn't select anything at all

[thick hamlet]

anybody got that spreadsheet

haven't doomed in a while

[minor gust]

There you go have fun

[proper moth]

Yeah that was fire

Hey it’s my screen shot😂

[lofty jacinth]

Its ironic I play brewmaster monk and arms

[hoary palm]

what is prot warriors dps

[lofty jacinth]

Nothing impressive

[rose ibex]

Aren't we at least doing better than ass rogues?

[minor gust]

idk thats only one of the ass specs soooo

[olive nest]

[weak rain]

dw, today they will release updated notes

[robust cypress]

We're only suppose to take the 4th point of our apex talents once we get 4pc right?

[weak rain]

with 20% more buff

[minor gust]

you will take the 4th apex point on server reset

[robust cypress]

ty

[olive nest]

Rip battlelord my beloved

[minor gust]

indeed

[robust cypress]

wait

we're gonna be even more rage starved?

[weak rain]

pray for colossus to be main st arms so we can take buttlord instead of bladestorm

[olive nest]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-banging-fist-on-ground-agony-anguish-pain-suffering-gif-10047053495593873096

[robust cypress]

I hate colossus

[minor gust]

dont have to pray just wait till 12.05 and colo beats slayer because slayer is dead.

[muted fractal]

how much longer until we delete the arms discord

[minor gust]

will never happen

[robust cypress]

arms too fun

[minor gust]

because the only thing that will happen is the entire wow community laughs at us for being cringe and pathetic.

[olive nest]

Archi literally communicates directly with the devs

If that isn’t working closing the discord won’t for sure

[minor gust]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision-arms-feedback/2270878
If you wanna complain about arms complain in here. Specifically the 12.05 stuff

[olive nest]

Just looks childish and stupid

[chilly cobalt]

well when ret was bad they all collectively bargained to quit until they got fixed should we do the same?

[minor gust]

...

[chilly cobalt]

go on strike delete the discord? throw tomatoes at a blizzard building?

[minor gust]

you realize the tuning notes came out the same day ret shutdown their discord

blizz doesnt work like that. things are planned out multiple days in advance

[chilly cobalt]

car bomb Ian H....

[minor gust]

ret was already planned to get buffed. the shutdown just made them look like babies

[chilly cobalt]

j/k

[river ridge]

I know its hard to believe, but a lot of planning goes into these hotfixes and updates.

[chilly cobalt]

would you prefer MS did most our damage or execute?

[olive nest]

Mortal Strike hands down

[chilly cobalt]

I have 0 faith in wow devs after 20 something years

[river ridge]

yet they have very observable trends that play out like clockwork =/

[chilly cobalt]

is it do it wrong let it be terrible until it doesn't matter anymore then throw you a small scrap?

[river ridge]

That's not what I said, and I'd appreciate you not put words in my mouth.

[chilly cobalt]

I didn't i asked

[river ridge]

No no, back up what your question like it wasn't pointed.

[chilly cobalt]

that's not the same as "putting words in your mouth"

[river ridge]

It absolutely is.

[chilly cobalt]

you are being ridiculous over something trivial

[river ridge]

Almost like words have meaning or something. Crazy.

[chilly cobalt]

yeah if you understood the meaning of words you wouldn't be throwing a fit over nothing

[river ridge]

Nah, I called you out on putting words in my mouth (in a very polite way btw). If you don't like, it choose better words or ask less pointed questions.

[timid elk]

Gentlemen, no fighting in the war room

[chilly cobalt]

I did not put any words in your mouth you don't understand what that means please stop talking to me

asking pointed questions is not the same thing.

[proper moth]

There’s only one way to solve this 1v1 outside of org

[river ridge]

Nah. Melee, FD, No items, Only fox

[muted vine]

is it the 17th yet, i cant wait to go from poo to silver poo

[rose ibex]

I dont understand that. Ret has topped the charts in every dungeon ive been in with them

[river ridge]

No this in reference to the start of TWW S3

[minor gust]

^

and its specifically about their raid performance.

[rose ibex]

Ohhh

Raid shmaid

[wide needle]

Raid only thing thst matter kol

[wicked yoke]

Im kinda new to Stats but based off that Spread sheet going around, Colo Arms is outside 2 sample standard deviations. In the surveying world that would just get thrown out as a blunder or anomaly. Just outlandishly bad. 22.5k under avg. The top Dps is only 16k over avg.

I would consider anything within 16k of Avg(103k) to be "okay"

[wide needle]

Big time buffs with mythic and m+ drop why y'all stressin

[unkempt wren]

Buffs so big ye can finally stop being a boss healing spec

[viscid crater]

Because we don't trust blizz to do it properly lol

[wicked yoke]

Thats post Tomorrows buff I think. Which means we need another 15k+ buff to just get into the mid range.

Assuming all the other numbers stay the same, which they wont.

[olive nest]

Imagine they don’t slide another 15% into tomorrows patch

[minor gust]

they wont but theres more tuning on the 24th

theres planned tuning for the next 3 weeks

wether arms gets buffed or not is still the legendary 50/50

[olive nest]

How can a dev see tank above a dps and not go 🤔

[minor gust]

how can a dev see a universally loved change and decide to revert it half a patch later

[wicked yoke]

If we wanted to be within 8k of Avg(we would still be under) We dead ass need another 20% aura buff on top of the 15% we already getting. Insane
35-40% to get to where feral druids are.
this is singletargt though

[olive nest]

Yes exactly

Totally

[obsidian otter]

gotta keep people playing classic eras for the warriors cant let retail warriors be the goats!

[nova marsh]

Can't even let us be mid

[obsidian otter]

we was in beta until people complained we wasnt 🙁

they showed us

[nova marsh]

Literally all of beta i got told "we'll be fineee, we still got x time before the season

[minor gust]

@daring heron Good video we pray these 12.05 changes reverted

[daring heron]

🙏

[native obsidian]

Ret does HUGE damage in dungeons but they'll complain it's not "effective damage" and their raid performance is bad and whatever. But just like all last season no one could hardly touch a ret on the meters

[unique steppe]

ret complaining
and water will continue to be wet

[obsidian otter]

whats crazy is the change on ptr patch 12.05 is live now and you can see we lose almost 60k aoe with the 15% buff were about to get will put us up a bit until 12.05 goes live for slayer then were right back where our aoe was before.. Yet our single target is even lower

[minor gust]

fuck the numbers what matters is they are actively making the gameplay worse

[obsidian otter]

thats just cherry on top of it for sure

[viscid crater]

That's the worst part about all of this

Duality of man lol

[obsidian otter]

but lets be honestly people would complain less if our numbers were up gameplay style or not

[minor gust]

overall addicts

[daring heron]

i'm not even that worried about damage, they usually buff eventually

[minor gust]

opinions less valuable than fent addicts

[daring heron]

but gameplay they just don't fix

or they make it worse

SD reap removal is a massive L

[obsidian otter]

yeah that has to be a disconect somewhere in the development

or like someone said yesterday when i was running zeros someone who mains arms warrior slept with the developers wife smh

[daring heron]

i'm hearing that everywhere rn lmao

it's become canon

[obsidian otter]

it is lol

[minor gust]

you would think a blizz dev would like that tho

[obsidian otter]

I had to level my third warrior to 90 might be last time i get to play this slayer version 🙁

[wicked yoke]

I get the whole Numbers dont matter as much as gameplay thing. But they stll matter, even if you dont care, Pug groups and raid teams might.

Thats just my one take, Please dont roast me

[daring heron]

numbers are much easier to fix than gameplay

[minor gust]

^

[wicked yoke]

I agree forsure.

[minor gust]

like theres still 3 more planned tuning patches numbers will even out eventually so I rather my spec play well and feel fun

Pugging is always gonna be a nightmare unless you play fotm or tank/heal

theres nothing that can be done about that

[candid pecan]

3 more?

alright

[elder path]

you will press cleave 60 percent of the time and you will like it

[fast wedge]

when are those supposed to hit?

[minor gust]

[flint cedar]

This explanation or their Arms playing sibling inherited the house during the will reading.

[daring heron]

i'm curious how we'll do in raid tbh, might get lots of ST buffs without getting our aoe/cleave nerfed

could actually become rly good in m+

in that timeline anyway xd

[minor gust]

seeing how they didnt nerf cleave this first round of tuning

that very well might happen

raid idk arms still has a bad time with aoe and ST talents

[daring heron]

same goes for fury too

yeah

[elder path]

this tier has a lot of fights with a bunch of trash taht spawns that you have to clear

[daring heron]

i can't see fury doing that bad in raid but ig a lot of classes sim over 100k so have to wait and see

[minor gust]

since the DF talents arms has pretty much always decided to pure ST it out and only deal with adds with DN or bladestorm

[elder path]

im worried for that

[minor gust]

its almost always never been worth for arms to take aoe talents in raid

besides for pure aoe boss fights

[daring heron]

yeah there are so many aoe only or st only talents for arms

[elder path]

yea very secular for aoe vs ST

[minor gust]

so arms even with a buffed ST is likely to still feel like shit in this first raid if people are able to pad on adds better

Fury over here just pressing TC and laughing

while losing no ST

[candid pecan]

unless they buff colossus

[flint cedar]

Some of us are going to have to bite the damage meter bullet and actually raid as Arms so blizz can get some decent numbers for the 24th.

[minor gust]

I mean they will get arms heroic week data

I still plan on playing arms throughout heroic week and ill swap to fury for mythic prog

[daring heron]

i was gonna say please sandbag but you won't need to

[minor gust]

[flint cedar]

I mean... on the bright side. Our parses are going to be godlike.

[minor gust]

im just glad we dont have a brewmaster!

[glacial pebble]

oof

look at colossus

wtf

[daring heron]

i can't even get tier prio cause i definitely won't play arms

fury tier is so weak

[glacial pebble]

is it?

i gotta see it

[daring heron]

yes

[minor gust]

uhm mr loot master can I get my 4pc its a 9% gain

[fresh spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1481991857369255996/GIF_20260313_122512_444.gif

[glacial pebble]

i thought it would be good

[fresh spire]

YEET

[daring heron]

lmao

[minor gust]

dont look at the dmg charts tho!

[daring heron]

ty for the gif fishy

[fresh spire]

i laughed when this come up with the sound hahahhaa

[glacial pebble]

yo fury isnt as good as i thought

[fresh spire]

wasnt expecting it

[minor gust]

its a ST sim for a raid that has very lil pure ST

[fresh spire]

Fury is middle of pack, it will survive, it has a strong aoe kit build into its st kit

[minor gust]

Fury is gonna do very well most likely

[candid pecan]

4 set for arms is 9.7%
4 set for fury is 3.4%...

[glacial pebble]

jesus

[fresh spire]

arms 4p kinda owns

[glacial pebble]

most of the raid is aoe

so i think arms might do well

[minor gust]

it wont

[glacial pebble]

shhh you gotta believe

[minor gust]

because of how arms works compared to fury

[glacial pebble]

not even with the aura buff

[daring heron]

also gotta think about fury's range here, clap hits such a large area around you

while cleave is just a tiny cone

[rose ibex]

I think this might be in part due to the spec having a reputation as being very beginner friendly so it attracts a wide spread of players. People on the internet tend to rally around the loudest people so you get situations where some sweats might stir up trouble that would have little to no effect on the average player.

[native obsidian]

Well said

[median fox]

we are under brewmaster in ST dps

[minor gust]

Arms has to take a lot of specific talents for aoe which nukes boss dmg. Since DF its never been worth for arms to ever talent into aoe for any kind of adds in raid. You always stayed ST and only use DN and BS to contribute to add dmg

[median fox]

its so sad its hilarious at the same time xD

[minor gust]

the fight would need to be very frequent aoe to warrant swapping to some aoe talents as arms

[daring heron]

yeah like

if you thought arms ST is bad on that spreadsheet

[rose ibex]

Arms is full of hipster players who just refuse to play fury

[daring heron]

it's wayyyy worse if you talent into aoe lmao

[fresh spire]

worth a little more after the buffs

11% for arms 4.5% for thane

[candid pecan]

OKAY

[minor gust]

like its fun to do something like colo and pad some aoe on a fight like soulbinder in manaforge last tier but like you werent really helping kill that boss

[candid pecan]

couple more arms buffs, surely

[fresh spire]

inb4 they give us china bladestorm

have you seen how funny it is

[glacial pebble]

were wielding pool noodles

[daring heron]

before fury slayer reap change happened i actually played some colarms on forgeweaver and blasted

only adds though

boss took 0 dam from me

[rose ibex]

What does this mean!?

[glacial pebble]

pool noodle spec

[candid pecan]

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/news/massive-buffs-to-arms-warrior-coming-to-chinas-titan-reforged-server-379669

dev note on the bottom

[fresh spire]

so fuckinggood

[minor gust]

lmao yeah I did the same on one reclear trying to get demolishes off tho on the adds was annoying af

[rose ibex]

What the heck is titan reforged?

[fresh spire]

the bladestorm change is so funny

china wow class where level 80 is cap and every raid is scaled to 80

even classic and tbc

[rose ibex]

They have classic+?

Why China only? :(

[river ridge]

Like WotLK Classic +

[spring vale]

China loves rogue and arms warrior

[river ridge]

I mean.. China low key dead lifting a lot of games for income <_<;

[candid pecan]

yeah and they decided to buff arms warrior back to back

[spring vale]

I say based

[candid pecan]

based indeed

[daring heron]

arms needs back to back buffs on retail

[minor gust]

yo can we import some of the Chinese devs they are fucking cooking with that dev note lmao

[daring heron]

they seem to like warriors

[candid pecan]

would be nice yeah

[fresh spire]

i would be very supprised if arms isn't brought up over 100k next week

[river ridge]

Man imagine if Blizzard actually chased that class fantasy

[minor gust]

we need dat guy

give us dat guy

[fresh spire]

probs will see more buffs to the lower guys like assassination

i think we didn't get overbuffed this week purely for blizzard to get metrics of the new apex, also avoids another nerf if we was op in hc week which is bad for mythic

[river ridge]

You're right, but I'm still gonna be a grumpy puss about it.

[minor gust]

personally I think its more since they have the next 3 tuning passes planned out they are just doing lil buffs shaking things up and seeing how things land

and continuing from there

because we all know they dont have internal metrics thats alll just a lie so they need to see what player sims are and heroic week logs

[fresh spire]

they announced 4 weeks of tuning

[minor gust]

yeah I already crossed off the 17ths cuz we got the notes for it

[river ridge]

Booo No logic Mr. Fish

Post the gif

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/darla-tap-aquarium-why-are-you-sleeping-finding-nemo-gif-9474276

[river ridge]

No not that one D:

[fresh spire]

i have too many gifs ;w;

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

[river ridge]

Truly a blessing and a curse

[fresh spire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1042139795595468810/20221115_135144.gif

[minor gust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1042069193392136223/20221115_132954.gif

[fresh spire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1042762634539319366/1053485451668901988/20221217_013459.gif

[glacial pebble]

at least our discord isnt closed

good job gentlemen

[fresh spire]

[spring vale]

Dont close the discord I use the #news channel to keep up with wowhead posts

[fresh spire]

we always get buffed to medocrity some times, though the slayer nerfs bury slayer into the ground

[daring heron]

imagine slayer gets buffed in the next tuning passes and starts owning, but the reap change stays on 12.0.5 ptr so we know the end is near

[glacial pebble]

have we been posting on forums giving the wowdevs ideas on how to buff arms and not harassing them or talking down on them

[fresh spire]

Gloom into doom

holy

thing is i'm perfectly fine with MS/BT being gutted

as it just makes us do op>ms in aoe always

it will make bladestorm weaker as no reaps but they could finally buff it to do actual aoe instead of relying on reap

[minor gust]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision-arms-feedback/2270878/50
add to the list or you aint helping

[fresh spire]

But the SD change is a huge nono

lets just remove any reason to not press cleave/ww/op in aoe while your other buttons rot

o7

[minor gust]

surely we cant be ignored with the 2nd most popular forum thread by a mile

[fresh spire]

it's still crowned by mages

[minor gust]

we aint beating that unless I advertise the forum in fury channel more maybe

👀

[glacial pebble]

very good ima do it

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-hiromi-hiromi-higuruma-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-gif-3977056725828219167

[fresh spire]

can they also make a forum for both eu and usa already

so stupid eu people can't post on NA forums

[glacial pebble]

So when did arms become like bad design wise? I feel like when i started playing in MoP arms was the go to, then after legion Fury became the go to and thats all i see anymore

[thick kelp]

bfa

[fresh spire]

mop was the start of arms being a badass spec

legion peaked it

[thick kelp]

ruined the entire spec

[fresh spire]

bfa began the downfall

[thick kelp]

only down hill from there

[river ridge]

But BFA did bring us EP

[thick kelp]

legion had ep

the good ep

[river ridge]

Did it?

[thick kelp]

the strong ep

the 75% per stack ep

[daring heron]

this scene is so good lmaooo

it's me reading any warrior patch notes

[river ridge]

Then what was the one they removed after S1 of BFA

[thick kelp]

if you check the page for ep

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=238147/executioners-precision

yu can see it was removed in bfa alpha

and only recently got added back

[daring heron]

yeah legion EP was crazy

[river ridge]

I coudla sworn we had EP as an Azurite Power, and we slammed all of S1 of BfA and Blizz removed it

[daring heron]

3x FR + 2x EP + CS + SD

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[spring vale]

I miss condemn sfx

[daring heron]

the one with the boom at the end

also the sweep condemn animation

that felt heavy

[candid pecan]

yeah we did have EP as an Azerite power

[thick kelp]

this was our BFA talent tree

[glacial pebble]

i miss furious slash

[thick kelp]

whys your pfp of enrage regen

[daring heron]

🙂

[minor gust]

[daring heron]

enraged regen doesn't even exist anymore does it

[latent moss]

why not dbts why er

[thick kelp]

Look at this peak man

[brazen laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-gosling-blade-runner-split-did-gif-27098529

[minor gust]

just drop warpaint for it

[river ridge]

I was mad at the 30 talent tree.

[candid pecan]

its not ER, its focused rage from Legion

[latent moss]

peak...

[daring heron]

antorus arms was funny, i played fob trauma and needed giga rng to beat executie on allstars, he played rend titanic might

[latent moss]

its so peak

[daring heron]

i think some people also played overpower instead of dauntless on st

[thick kelp]

holy build variety

[latent moss]

i watched ur argus kill few days ago

[thick kelp]

more than with these piece of shit trees

[latent moss]

seeing ms hit for like 10x ur current dps in exe with 2x ep

[daring heron]

i watch it every so often

it makes me sad

[minor gust]

[thick kelp]

i played arms in antorus on a private server

Regret that now

[minor gust]

Legion classic soon

[thick kelp]

prayge

[river ridge]

Only waht two more expansions?

But first we gotta go through S1 of WOD

[minor gust]

surely they just skip wod

[latent moss]

ye i didnt play legion but i played on felsong recently

[minor gust]

and go straight to legion

[latent moss]

legion arm..

[thick kelp]

end of wod arms...

[daring heron]

there was also my r1 logs on kingaroth and the 3 boss council, i played focused rage on those bosses when nobody else did lmao

[latent moss]

legion will kill retail for me i swear

i get m+ and i get to play peak arms

[daring heron]

good times

if legion classic comes i will actually play it

[thick kelp]

legit mop trees had more variety than vurrent ones

[river ridge]

Whose ready for Explosive in M+ during Legion Classic?

[daring heron]

my healer is

[thick kelp]

my dissc will swp them nö

[river ridge]

All of my healers hated that affix so much

[latent moss]

bro look at that ms

💔

[eager sable]

I miss it terribly.

[daring heron]

execute was insane for both arms and fury

meanwhile today we ask ourselves if execute is even worth the rage cost as arms and prot lmaooo

[thick kelp]

(its not)

funny have first wr just had it all

then we got to a point where we need 9 talents for aoe

another 12 for st

and now another 4 for execute

[minor gust]

Fun, engaging satisfying procs. Core arms gameplay right there.

[latent moss]

cs on tactician is key but they refuse to bring it back gg

[daring heron]

that's the thing though, arms didnt even have that many buttons

[thick kelp]

yep

[daring heron]

just make the spec actually flow well, you don't need 50 buttons like now

[latent moss]

i swear the peak design would be

cs on tactician + shattered defenses + mop taste for blood and chance for op to proc tactician and some incentive to slam>op on high rage. and in exe phase exe overtakes everything except ms

[latent moss]

i havent tried devourer myself but it looks fun and has like 3 buttons

[candid pecan]

we're missing this. (replace CS with OP I guess )

[latent moss]

collapsing star and eradicate look fun asf

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-pepe-frog-talking-discussing-meme-gif-26871471

[latent moss]

also i love how their apex is what arms apex shouldve been

just make ms and demo always crit for colo please

and scale dmg off of crit chance

[minor gust]

I literally gave that exact suggestion the day our apex was announced

[latent moss]

you know ball

[thick kelp]

imgur ....

[minor gust]

I was like we dont need more cdr it should just be increase CS dmg amp

[river ridge]

Begging! We need this so bad T-T

[latent moss]

https://klipy.com/gifs/one-peak-one-piece

also for me personally s3 df exe spam was fun. they could try and make slayer play like that with some execute chaining mechanic while colo does the EP gameplay

but they never do any gameplay exploration with arms

so gg

[minor gust]

idk I only found it fun because it doesnt happen often

[inner wasp]

what if execute caused reap

thatd be cool

[viscid crater]

sounds way to fun to happen

[minor gust]

if I were to decide between exe spam or EP rotation as forever gameplay its EP rotation every time

[candid pecan]

should EP also increase next MS crit chance by 25% per stack?

we're starving like crazy to press execute twice and then MS does not crit...

[thick kelp]

arms isnt even supposed to be the execute spec out of the two

ya know

[latent moss]

ms should just crit always imo

like chaos bolt

[minor gust]

Link da argus vid

[obsidian otter]

EP rotation already fits without even having to watch the buffs so I agree your litterly pressing 3 GCDs between MS attacks as slayer already it just works

[latent moss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVgT1O1Is0M

[minor gust]

Guys this is an arms warrior right?

[thick kelp]

see how his dps isnt going up in execute

[latent moss]

real

[thick kelp]

now post the other FURY POV video

[latent moss]

12 million ms crit

at 2.2 mil dps

[minor gust]

oh LMAO I didnt even read it was Critcakes arms pov was looking for the execute one to make the joke xD

[latent moss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMqvb8QiUk

i thougth u meant crits arms one cause we were talking about it earlier

[thick kelp]

FURY WARRIOR BTW

[latent moss]

the best part is

ww sitting at the top

[minor gust]

nah was tryna make the joke how everyone posts the execute one thinking its an arms warrior

but its actually fury

[latent moss]

and fury catching up

[daring heron]

7 years ago 🥲

[latent moss]

i love how its unavoidable for the monk

fury WILL stack juggernaut

there is NOTHING you can do about it

[thick kelp]

there is

force the fury off the boss

[latent moss]

a boss mechanic

real

[thick kelp]

so ashen drops

[minor gust]

real

[daring heron]

was it 8 seconds

i think it was 8 lmaoooo

[latent moss]

bro we need battle cry back

fuck this reck shit

[thick kelp]

8 seconds of downtime = 0dps

[latent moss]

battle cry + cs = arms cds

battle cry + of = fury cds

peak

[daring heron]

arms even lost in for the kill

like bro

our damage window feels like nothing is different

[minor gust]

lost iftk just to put the haste in both hero talents xD

[daring heron]

except shit hits 30% harder

[thick kelp]

Lost everything good it had, even the warbreaker animation

[minor gust]

its cinema

[spring vale]

Id give up avatar for iftk

[latent moss]

yeah u actually feel nothing when u use cds now

[kindred breach]

good times

[thick kelp]

actually its 45% due to the new apex talent

[daring heron]

yeyeyye

[latent moss]

u turn gray brown slightly bigger. u slam the ground

[minor gust]

just somehow get 5 stacks before your next cs

[thick kelp]

and another 5% from tierset

[daring heron]

BRO NO

i just realised

[thick kelp]

impossible edition

[obsidian otter]

they was scared of that higher uptime on Iftk with our apex CDR lol so they just took it away

[daring heron]

people will ask if you should hold CS until 5 stacks apex

fuck me

no way

dont make me play this spec

[thick kelp]

you dont

[latent moss]

and cleave cant even proc it

[spring vale]

5 heroic strikes is a lot of rage gl

[daring heron]

well i know that

[latent moss]

cleave cant even proc apex axaxaxaxaxaxa

[daring heron]

but people will

[thick kelp]

XD

[candid pecan]

new mage/ret tuning what

[thick kelp]

time to make a command !armsapex

[latent moss]

bro they HAD to kill

op dn spam slayer during alpha

[minor gust]

LMAO that 1000% is gonna happen

[latent moss]

and just make cleave do all ur aoe

[blazing estuary]

@daring heron hey first time arms here do we hold CS for 5 stacks

[latent moss]

@daring heron hey first time arms here do we hold CS for 5 stacks

[daring heron]

[latent moss]

i have 24% crit do i need more?

[thick kelp]

??

[daring heron]

yooo

[thick kelp]

ret nerfs LFG

[fresh spire]

@daring heron hey first time arms here, i have 283 haste and 41 vers do i need to get more critical strike chance

[thick kelp]

MAGE BUFFS

xD

[daring heron]

lmao yall know the questions that trigger me at this point

[fresh spire]

its so fucked as stats don't matter anywhere near as much as they used too

[candid pecan]

@daring heron do I craft weapon

[fresh spire]

just equip ilvl you win

[thick kelp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[latent moss]

need 23% crit

[thick kelp]

relevant ilvl on this one again

[daring heron]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-hiromi-higuruma-jujutsu-kaisen-jujutsu-kaisen-meme-jjk-memes-gif-10370496866020481076

[daring heron]

oh man that's true

[thick kelp]

need to update the tom and jerry gif to this

[misty sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/we-saved-saved-secured-protected-gif-10281494

[river ridge]

Fifth Element Mentioned!!!

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-explosion-gif-7138394752046712707

[flint cedar]

Paladins "Ret" just got a 15% nerf to Final Verdict 9 minutes ago

so that makes my beer taste a little better

[minor gust]

lmao

wonder if ret discord gonna shut down now in protest

[latent moss]

yes

[kindred breach]

yes

[thick kelp]

yes

[lyric hound]

Man how tf, where’s the extra 5% aura for arms

[halcyon valve]

Lmao

[minor gust]

WE HAVE BEEN HIDING OUR SIMS THIS WHOLE TIME NOW AFTER THIS CHANGE RET IS GARBAGE

[flint cedar]

I was mid "play argument" with that Turrayllon guy or however you spell it on the Class Change topic

then it happened

[halcyon valve]

The real aura is the kind we farmed along the way

[river ridge]

Wait you guys have aura?

[halcyon valve]

[kindred breach]

yeah, aura nerf

[lyric hound]

Bench aura

[gusty nymph]

I love sitting!!!!

[flint cedar]

Not me! I am married to the raid leader. I bring the Shout at least! 😛

[kindred breach]

https://tenor.com/view/corruption-is-not-bad-meme-meme-corruption-is-only-bad-if-im-not-involved-corruption-meme-dictator-meme-gif-14538211130605834739

[blazing estuary]

ima be honest they buffed their es so it probably isnt even a ret nerf

[halcyon valve]

I SEE THE CORRUPTION INHERENT TO THE SYSTEM

[flint cedar]

🙂

[topaz python]

exceptional one, if you play arms

[fresh spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1481991857369255996/GIF_20260313_122512_444.gif

[halcyon valve]

Lowest on the dps meters, highest on the aura

[daring heron]

yeet

[obsidian otter]

I cry a little inside every-time I see this 😢

[blazing estuary]

after playing slayer for last month with sd reap idk if i can bring myself to play collosus

[rose ibex]

I am shocked frost mage is getting through this unscathed

[daring heron]

my frost mage was doing nasty damage in m0

[fresh spire]

time for demolish to rise

[daring heron]

takes so little setup too

[fresh spire]

the era of slammers

[rose ibex]

I have 2 friends maining frost and while I can beat them on the initial pull with my feral (not my arms lol) it quickly falls apart afterwards as cds stop lining up and single target becomes more important

[minor gust]

https://i.imgflip.com/a389n4.gif

[devout pewter]

I had the same feeling, thought I was just imagining it, and simmed it on single target last night, 223 frost mage does the same damage as my 236 fury warrior

[daring heron]

frost also doesn't really have cooldowns

not long ones anywya

so they always do big dam

[rose ibex]

Frost is not only strong, but smooth and consistent

[devout pewter]

ice beam goes brr

[rose ibex]

I feel enh shammy is similar in m+, but their numbers arent as good

[minor gust]

how colo arms feels still atleast except when it comes to ST

[rose ibex]

Their go is 1m

[daring heron]

true

[minor gust]

colo still slaps every 30 sec with just CS + demo

[thick kelp]

colo arms sims 450k on 5t 2mins

[rose ibex]

I always prefer slayer tho just because bladestorm and random spinning is fun

[daring heron]

send another 20% aura to fix ST

[tacit crystal]

lol

[daring heron]

keep aoe as is

[latent moss]

make sure to not touch cleave

so we keep cleaving on st

[minor gust]

def dont touch cleave

[thick kelp]

20% aura into -15% on exe

[minor gust]

it only does all our dmg

[daring heron]

maybe nerf bleeds a bit actually

[minor gust]

cut to the bone to 5%

[rose ibex]

They're probably trying to think about how to buff ST without turning arms into an unstoppable killing machine in pvp

[thick kelp]

just remove deep wounds from ms

slam only

[obsidian otter]

Enhance is acendance reliant on its burst it does lower sustain aoe than arms but does like 5x aoe with cooldowns same with its single target as stormbringer

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[fresh spire]

i was saying to archi in dms the other day, if they ignore cleave and actually fix st, colossus is going to be nuts in keys

cleave is already getting stupid

[fleet bone]

Aura buff bandaid while they actually take time to mechanically fix arms

[daring heron]

people hate on slam so much, so let's make every button feel worse so slam can look better

[rose ibex]

Naw dude. Most shammies use totemic these days. It has a weaker but more consistent burst

[fleet bone]

also rage gen is a candidate

[astral yarrow]

can we collectively coordinate a massive sandbagging hc week

[fresh spire]

real

[minor gust]

sandbag?

[flint cedar]

From what I have been reading. They can totally separate PVE/PVP - The "Does not apply to PVP" has appeared alot in the buffs/nerfs

[minor gust]

we dont need to do that

[thick kelp]

cleave and slam only

[fresh spire]

people hate salm

wait till they see 2 target colossus

[fleet bone]

I like slam

[thick kelp]

im playing col arms only on hc week

[fresh spire]

holy what a mess

[devout pewter]

"so you still don't like slam? How about we nerf everything else even more?"

[daring heron]

bro wtf is deep wounds and rend doing that high

nerf it

[rose ibex]

Yeah. I doubt this is the end of their tuning. It almost seems like they want bladestorm to be a lot more impactful in pvp and pve

[minor gust]

Season 2 TWW or midnight cant even tell

[astral yarrow]

fighting the good fight

[latent moss]

cut to the bone nerfed to 5%

[devout pewter]

crit forgetting we're a dot specc now

[astral yarrow]

i have splits so i have to carry

[weak rain]

dw, they will, in 12.0.5 DW won't trigger from cleave KEKW

[thick kelp]

thatss with cleave apllying dw so its already being nerfed

[astral yarrow]

BFA S3 was a dot spec

[obsidian otter]

Ravager doing to much damage

[fresh spire]

how does our execute rotation look in 2 target guys

🤣

[latent moss]

holy piano

[daring heron]

i think most people who care about damage will just play fury anyway

[thick kelp]

only build of arms where i dont play bs or ravager

[minor gust]

[fresh spire]

cleave owns

[thick kelp]

cleave is 2t king

[daring heron]

so arms will be played by everyone else

[thick kelp]

unironically

[fresh spire]

2 target damage break down btw

[minor gust]

we love spotting cleave in our priority lists

[latent moss]

guess what target count

[rose ibex]

Arms is like a chill piano spec with moments of zug zug

[fresh spire]

1

[thick kelp]

2

[minor gust]

2

[fresh spire]

1

[latent moss]

st

axaxax

[daring heron]

at 288 surely that's 1

[minor gust]

acutally that 1 288 ilvl

[thick kelp]

xD

[latent moss]

funny ability at n2

[thick kelp]

alles gud

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kat-kitty-kitten-evil-gif-10545349572153573100

[minor gust]

yeah ik its cursed to see

[latent moss]

i thought it was an aoe spell

[fresh spire]

cleave is here to stay

[minor gust]

remember Fishy telling me

[thick kelp]

just as blizz intended

ms cleave op prio

[fresh spire]

i mean look at it this way

[latent moss]

lowk i dont mind cleave staying as long as its broken on aoe and colo owns

[fresh spire]

it does 4k less ST than its best set up

[daring heron]

that's fucked up lmaoooo

[fresh spire]

to do so much fucking aoe

its wild

[minor gust]

12.05 comes the great WW reckoning

so its alright

bye cleave

[fresh spire]

cleave will go bye bye in colossus other than during ravager

but we will slam spam in execute because of the wound change

[thick kelp]

unbinding execute on colossus in m+ is -100 dps

[fresh spire]

already calling it

[fresh spire]

[minor gust]

yo the ppl complaining about pruning are gonna love this!

[daring heron]

but if you cast execute you can afk for a bit

[latent moss]

im sending sd over slam for +100 dps

[fresh spire]

:ohno:

[thick kelp]

true

get time to get some coffee

[minor gust]

you afk enough with 10 year long bladestorm

[thick kelp]

everytime i fat finger a natty exe

then i can shower during my bs

[minor gust]

xD

[obsidian otter]

That’s why I play slayer so I can BS run to restroom and come back and not lose DPS

[fresh spire]

enough time for a smoke

i should test cancel macroing bladestorm in aoe

[thick kelp]

holy

[latent moss]

i guess bro

[fresh spire]

holy

[thick kelp]

goo bf and cancelaura bs

[minor gust]

finger ing

[latent moss]

gg

[thick kelp]

get the euphoria buff into combo cleaves

hooly dps

[fresh spire]

[latent moss]

put ms on cd and spam cleave on st 👍

[thick kelp]

cs - bs - cancelaura - cleave cleave cleave cleave

[latent moss]

im gonna do this in m0s

[fresh spire]

i need to test it lol

[latent moss]

its 1000% a gain

when shit lives 3 seconds

[daring heron]

zorthas called it an unskippable cutscene when he tried it on beta

[minor gust]

yeah I saw that clip

was a good laugh

[thick kelp]

get the addon that makes it realistic

[daring heron]

what is it

is it the superspin thing

we had a weakaura for that

[untold trench]

https://giphy.com/gifs/LwPsFmVeFs7c3AWVBL

[thick kelp]

yeah, now its a separate addon

[daring heron]

damn

i should get it and enable it sometimes

[thick kelp]

get the spinning crane kick and change trigger to bs

[latent moss]

/cancelaura bladestorm
/cast cleave

[thick kelp]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/immersivesck

[daring heron]

ty

[polar dome]

yo guys, been setting up my colossus ui and could use some help, any suggestions?

[daring heron]

it looks perfect why change

[latent moss]

need more cleave

[thick kelp]

did u macro ravager to avatar

[latent moss]

ravager w cd

[thick kelp]

so u get the mbg effect once every 1.5mins for 8 seconds

[latent moss]

1:30 cleave buff

[polar dome]

as yes, I need to bind red cleave

[latent moss]

can u cancelaura ravager

and not lose mbg

[thick kelp]

3 buffed cleaves every 1.5mins

thanks blizzard for the cd

[fresh spire]

oh no

[latent moss]

tbf

50% of 4935 million

is a lot of damage

[fresh spire]

[thick kelp]

Post the numbers

[fresh spire]

only a.... 1% dps loss to cancel bladestorm

[latent moss]

funny news incoming

axaaxxaxaxa

[thick kelp]

kino

niw optimize around it

[latent moss]

surely can optimize to make it sim neutral

[polar dome]

thanks for your input guys, appreciate it

[fresh spire]

[weak rain]

Spin and cancel after 1st mortal to get euphoria

[latent moss]

[weak rain]

maybe?

[fresh spire]

320,223 bladestorm
316,947 Cancel storm

This is with cyclone, there is more to gain

👀

[latent moss]

brutal finish surely closes the gap no

[thick kelp]

shuuurely

[polar dome]

theres an icon with a blue axe but idk what that is so I'll ignore it yeah

[fresh spire]

317,803

closer

[real pendant]

let go

[flint cedar]

not to brag - don't get jealous guys

[thick kelp]

my fresh 90 frostmage sims 45k

[mortal rivet]

im impressed fire mage got some additional tuning and arms didnt

[flint cedar]

Don't you go sassin me! I worked hard on this 3 minute sim........

[thick kelp]

cant let mages have 1 weak spec

[kindred breach]

fire and arms in the same sentence

[mortal rivet]

you know this is true

how dare mage have more than 1 spec out of the top 10

[latent moss]

they should remove hs from fob and make it deal enough damage where we want to press it on aoe

thoughts

[thick kelp]

Mages gotta enjoy the freedom of playing what u want

[tropic crest]

@smoky kayak Does this line make sense?

slayer_st->add_action( "cleave,if=talent.mass_execution&target.health.pct<35" );

If the target is below 35%, the APL should switch to slayer_execute, not slayer_st. Am I missing something?

[thick kelp]

huh

that lines telling it to press cleave in st if target is below 35% to make it work when we dont talent massacre

[smoky kayak]

^ the apl doesn't swap to Execute at 35% if Massacre isn't talented

I too tend to forget that Massacre only affects the threshold for Execute alone, not other "execute" things

[tropic crest]

oh ok sure

ty for answer

[tacit crystal]

this works on bs?

[thick kelp]

you can make it work

ig

[tacit crystal]

no ill wait for someone else to make it work

[minor gust]

it would need to do a fuck ton of dmg to not feel like shit xD

or else its just a SD slayer with no reap

[latent moss]

yeah it was ragebait

[tacit moat]

do we know if the new apex talent is going to be worth taking? and if so what are we dropping for it?

[thick kelp]

yes its wort, dropping battlelord on slayer

[minor gust]

[tacit moat]

oh for sure. thanks King

[fresh spire]

imagine that

blizzard just go yeh those was changes from 11.0.5 we pushed on accident yikes

[rare kite]

so is arms gonna be a puzzlebox enjoyer as well? or just fury

[fresh spire]

nah arms wants plume and heart/gaze after nerf

[rare kite]

still gaze potentially? holy moly

[silk spade]

yankee with no brim

[minor gust]

[fresh spire]

All of then sim pretty close. I question if Gaze on live Is still stronger than it looks on sims. Guess we will find out soon enough

[minor gust]

tomorrow I get to raid as a colo arms warrior

[glacial pebble]

is it true a 244 uh dk beats a 288 arms

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[floral hill]

Nah story mode isn't out tomorrow.

[minor gust]

?

[floral hill]

That is the only raid difficulty arms can do

[minor gust]

I raid with a guild sooo

[broken hound]

Does the Blizzard Combat Assist cut down on dps more than 10% for Arms?

[dire hinge]

We are still finalizing the sims, and the assistance tools will come after. It’s not a high priority atm.

The highlighted assist is usually 5-10% behind and the one button is significantly behind. It all depends on how blizz does their APL

[broken hound]

appreciate the info, thank you