arms

[umbral badger]

just broken sims :p

[faint tree]

is there a source link on this?

[olive nest]

how do you "miss the mark" that badly

[umbral badger]

and for some reason ppl don't like it when i say it's not hard to NOT miss the mark that badly in balance lol

[proper moth]

Was pulled from DH disc don’t have the source

Scroll up it’s got every class other than rets cause they’re weenies

They’ll probably be near the top ST

[latent moss]

sandbagging

115k or something

[slender sonnet]

Oh

[stable fiber]

you can literally paper math it and see it wasnt good enough

best spec doing double the worst specs dps, ok so 15% is good enough i think

[olive nest]

They didn’t even get us to 90k with the “balance” ??

[uncut yacht]

Its a non int melee

ofc they dont care

[olive nest]

Absolutely zero reason we should not have at least been brought up to 100k

Don’t need to be on top but far enough behind to be completely ignored??

[umbral badger]

sometimes the only way to fix something is to add fuel to the fire 🤣 will just have to play another spec and every time yo make a group write a message like this

lool

we need the entire community to block warriors from grps lol

arms warriors

[thick kelp]

about the 19th time this ss is posted here today

[fallow sun]

but hey, lets keep the new spec for the most popular class busted. warrs have had the time to shine in vanilla

[thick hamlet]

i dont know why, but the piercing howl nerf is what gets me most

[vocal siren]

real “fuck em that’s why” energy

[warped solstice]

Noooo Youdontseehow? It's like that because it is.

But really, was Piercing Howl too good? Insanity. Warriors just can't have any utility, apparently.

[misty bridge]

@thick kelp does the arch sim in updates drop BL for 4th apex or did it drop Fatality?

[thick kelp]

bl

[misty vale]

Hey all, is anyone else losing their heroic strike procs after using a fully stacked Collateral Damage + Cleave? I have been hitting training dummies and it keeps happening

[tired sinew]

are u hitting more than 3 targets? fervor of battle casts slam when hitting 3 targets++ and it also cast heroic strike if its available instead of slam

[misty vale]

OH, it does work like that then

That makes sense, ty

[tired sinew]

yea

[stable fiber]

agreed

(40 mins later)

the button was very strong though but pretty much no compensation

its just a worse version of every other button like it now

[warped solstice]

Just like Rallying Cry.

[stable fiber]

nah rally is pretty good

got buffed also kinda

[warped solstice]

I guess now that Mass Barrier is gone, it's significantly better.

[stable fiber]

you could layer DR's with rally and be cozy through tough parts

[slow saddle]

Rally is a decent raid cd

Needs love still in m+

[stable fiber]

idk i think its pretty good in m+ too

its effect is increased by 50% when not in a raid

[slow saddle]

For a 3m cd

[lyric hound]

I really think warriors having bloodlust/hero is long overdue. It fits thematically and gives a small bump is desirability

[slow saddle]

I mean...

[slow saddle]

Nah

[stable fiber]

its 18% health...

[lyric hound]

Yea

[stable fiber]

you can get away with some shit with 18% extra health

[slow saddle]

Lust is rly least lf our problems, or well nice for weekly andys

[stable fiber]

desirability that is almost always because of damage

warrior utility is some of the best its ever been and i dont see us as a very desirable class right now

[slow saddle]

Mage // hunter // shaman so many lusters devo

[stable fiber]

might be the best its ever been if you dont count mop actually

[slow saddle]

Ive heard being tuned like feral druid is the clue

🤣

[deft cypress]

Anyone have any sims for the updates coming or know how to and can show me how to do it? Long time arms player guild asked me to play warrior again but, hoping the buffs do something for us.

[slow saddle]

Play fury

[stable fiber]

buffs dont really push arms anywhere

its the right direction but slowly iykwim

[slow saddle]

Still last

[stable fiber]

id just learn fury

[slow saddle]

Also i want a big buff to ms❤️🤣

Yeah smells like fury

[deft cypress]

When doing 0s the only thing that really felt bad without the buffs coming is ST.

[stable fiber]

agreed

the aoe is very good

[slow saddle]

M0 isnt raid or m+

[deft cypress]

Switched a talent on the cookie build on wowhead from rend giving rage to the Apex talent so getting clossus smash back relatively quicky has shown huge leaps in M0s

[slow saddle]

I mean dont

[deft cypress]

Breakdown is still just cleave as top damage

[slow saddle]

Gettin cs back but holding avatar or cs

Is not great idwa

[obsidian otter]

The thing to in MOs is packs die fast so depending who your grouping with can make it seem like you do a lot of damage or enemies fine in 5s bladestorm and only damage you see is your bladestorm damage. In higher keys 10+ you will see it even more the longer fights go on the actual difference

[slow saddle]

Keep in mind that arms loose a decebt amount of st for m+

So being last in st spec is rough

[obsidian otter]

And zeros are also player pool of people who are trying to get best gear before raiding and not actual mythic plus player pool. Where getting in keys 10-15+ you should be getting players who know their spec enough to be closer to what the class can do.

[slow saddle]

Also go ret

🤣

[deft cypress]

hmm I thought for sure we'd get a rework but, 15% band-aid seems weird but, the Apex talent giving damage and cd reduction on CS would bring us higher right?

[slow saddle]

No?

Cd reduction is useless

Apex is good now

15% aura fine if they the 24th tune individual spells

To get us all the way back

[deft cypress]

Wouldn't cd reduction keep us in damage window longer or have less downtime between windows?

[slow saddle]

No

Avatar and cs would desync

And shitshow happens

[stable fiber]

it would but it makes your windows weaker and desynsc your cooldowns

which isnt really good in m+

[slow saddle]

Or raid

[obsidian otter]

Th 15% to what we have now is not bad the 15% to the 12.05 patch that is on PTR right now when you play it our aoe is down from 200k to 140k with no reap on SD hurts aoe a lot and we have zero reap on single target anymore so yes this 15% might feel fine now but when that patch drops we sink again

[stable fiber]

you can untalent it and put the point into something that doesnt desync cooldowns and makes your dps windows stronger

[slow saddle]

Oh y reap should be removed from everything

Exept sd

Thats the way it makes sense for spec

[stable fiber]

cant believe they are removing reap from st entirely

[slow saddle]

Y just keep it only on sd??

[stable fiber]

not many specs have a hero talent point that is fully useless in aoe or st afaik

[obsidian otter]

I’d rather have it that way than not. It makes execute still good single target and aoe because you get the reap proc with it

[slow saddle]

I think removin from ms/bt is fine

[slow saddle]

Exactly and fits spec design?

Big bladestorms and execute that fucks

Its that simple rly

[random ridge]

crazy

[slow saddle]

Next reset we are above prot

Dont dismay

By 15%🤣

Or 18 mby

[random ridge]

prot gets 10% too

xddd

[slow saddle]

Well we get 18//19

Thats a significant buff nfl

Ofc easiest revert the retarded.nerf u did to ms // exe // dw

[obsidian otter]

Can I see links of those?

[random ridge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fFFqujPNNvLSuBnpTXK6ZM

prot one

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fnZN6QmYHRzmAi5YMNWfNi

arms here

[slow saddle]

Wait

Its slayer🤣

[random ridge]

yes

[slow saddle]

Oh thats sad

[random ridge]

raid build

[slow saddle]

Yes as i said i loathe fury

But im playing fury

I sim lile 47 i think

[random ridge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/31CLB6JYy1F2NFzy8bh8vj

i have garbo stats for fury tho

[obsidian otter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w9gPfCe4Z3MQFuykfzwkQL even at lower I’ll you would aim higher if you ran battlelord in the build

I haven’t simmed him since he hit 243+ but I’m sure he’s 40k+

Still not great compared to others 😆

My fury is like https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1N7KbLMYgWQ65Z1thS9DwP

He’s in all mastery stats on every item though and his trinkets both proc mastery like 61% mastery when they both proc

[empty sluice]

jsut wait till 12.0.5, slayer gonna be awesome I heard

[random ridge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uUrMDJx6hk1aEQMYcLh4fw

how tf

[steep citrus]

are we doing primal spore binding or darkmoon sigil hunt as our embelish

[obsidian otter]

In beta spore was better

Not sure current if it changed

Was like 2% extra damage

[obsidian otter]

No dead you mean you can play it now on PTR it’s so bad

[tropic crest]

there is also Arcanoweave Lining

[empty sluice]

it was irony

[obsidian otter]

Wasn’t sure hard to tell sometimes

[old glacier]

Are the arms warriors off suicide watch?

[steady isle]

personally, I doubt it. arms is doing tank damage, 15% buff to a tank damage is still a tank damage

[paper tendon]

damn

[empty sluice]

20 more and we can maybe be mid

[olive nest]

A whopping 89k dps

Rock fkn solid

Good job

[proper moth]

Play brew it does more

[gloomy oak]

Play full dps guardian dudu ia does more

[thick kelp]

it got nuked

[worldly rivet]

I feel like people who like Arms Warrior would like Outlaw Rogue if they want to wait for more buffs.

[hallow quail]

We may have a niche in mythic plus for decent aoe via cleave. Raid is still really far behind. I can only imagine how much worse off someone playing sub optimally will be

[proper moth]

Bear Druid got nuked

Depends how the encounters go tbh I think there’s a good amount of cleave this tier

Not sure what spec to roll as DH in kitted out but I got my evoker in the back pocket. Glad my 2 picks for this xpac were solid

[obsidian otter]

DH should be good pick for sure specially with new spec they won’t let havok fall to far behind it so both should be decent

[tawdry quail]

How’s the class fantasy of arms anyway near that of an outlaw rogue?

[minor gust]

After the tuning both are pretty equal. Havoc might become the insane M+ spec because they just got their funnel buffed when it didn't need it.

[proper moth]

Very, I’ll be back on warrior when they rework it

Warrior just feels so jank to play😔

Havoc is gonna be juiced in m+ im stoked

[fading radish]

Have any of you pugged a class in state like this before? Genuine question, not sure if it's worth trying, only played healer up till now really

[jovial hare]

hi
survival player since legion
it'll be fine
you just dont get invites nearly as often as other classes in pugs, non-issue if you play w/ a group

[fading radish]

True, maybe it's time to socialise with other players lol

[minor gust]

If you want to have an enjoyable M+ experience. Playing with a consistent group is required.

Pugging is a cancer

[proper moth]

It’s miserable been there done that

Run your own keys or play with guild

Pug experience gonna be cheeks

[minor gust]

You can only make pugging tolerable by either tanking, healing, or fotm DPS.

[fading radish]

Okok what's the best way to find a guild or group to run with these days? Discord?

[steady isle]

good luck in finding a group that adopts arms

[minor gust]

You can find guilds through recruitment discords pretty easily.

[uncut yacht]

My highschool friends of 14 years said no lmao

[fading radish]

Loool

[uncut yacht]

'we are getting people together and pulling in effort to make this work, you cant troll this hard man, come on'

honestly, very valid

[minor gust]

As far as finding M+ groups from what I've heard is M+ discords aren't that great. So really is just doing keys and adding people after good runs and actually asking them the next day if they wanna do keys

[slow saddle]

As usual

[slow saddle]

Works like a charm this 1

[steady isle]

guilds can only give you weekly no leaver runs at best. so "reroll to fury or fk off" >.>

[minor gust]

The key is to actually msg them again!

[slow saddle]

Yup

[minor gust]

So many people add others after a run and just never fucking talk to them again

It's weird

[slow saddle]

I always look ppl up

[fading radish]

Daam ok, hmm seems so direct but ok, if that's what it takes I'll try, tyvm

[slow saddle]

Like gettin ppl that use cc

[proper moth]

I’ll run with you guys if you don’t sand bag me(dying to stupid shit)

[uncut yacht]

if only warrior had a battle healer speck

charge bandage

this place could run a key group

[steady isle]

well, on good side, they buff fury, so we can play arms in world pve and fury in competitive content

[minor gust]

That's just how you make friends in an MMO if you have a good experience with someone and add them keep trying to group with them and if you vibe well together it usually turns into consistent play together

[eternal crest]

It can be hard to find time.

[fading radish]

Yh fair, never really had to before, either had irl friends or just happened to fall into a group from raiding in other games

[steady isle]

at some point I thought they were reworking arms into healer spec due to how competitive our dps is to other healers.

[uncut yacht]

it does heal, but there is a catch

All the damage you are not doing by being arms is the effective healing the enemy gets

[minor gust]

Wow players are just too passive these days. Treating each other like npcs. So if you are the direct one and keep being direct it can be kinda easy to gather a bunch of anti socials who are too awkward to ask ppl if they wanna do keys

[uncut yacht]

I am sure you can outheal a holy priest by looking at effective numbers

[fading radish]

Yh makes sense, will defo make the effort and see how it goes

[minor gust]

Good luck out there

[steady isle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/sadness-gorro-sad-boy-4V3RuU0zSq1SC8Hh4x

[fading radish]

❤️

[lone yarrow]

A successive team is an extrovert getting all the introverts and anti socials to do shit together xdd

[minor gust]

Lol yeah pretty much

[eternal crest]

Yeah, need more outgoing friend to adopt you.

[eternal crest]

Lot of people kind of passive in general tbh.

If you want anything and keep at it then it's usually a good time.

[minor gust]

Just how the game has become

[eternal crest]

Game always been like that.

Never really changed.

[steady isle]

well, take your friends' pov, they want to have friends in their groups, not luggage

[eternal crest]

Luggage is crazy.

[minor gust]

Nah I still play classic all the time and the social atmosphere is still very much alive. It's wonderful how a dedicated server community can be for socializing.

[eternal crest]

Not hard or involved to meet people doing anything, really.

Helps to have a mutual interest.

[steady isle]

most of guilds are still social, I am in a guild of boomers, but I do enjoy talking with them than teenager guilds

[steady isle]

there are some discords like that

class discords are actually ones of them

[proper moth]

Hey man I had a holy priest cranking dps the other night

[minor gust]

Yeah but that's out of game

[worldly rivet]

Outlaw is just fun

[eternal crest]

Cord easier to chat on.

Pursue any interest in-game and you'll meet people.

[steady isle]

you meant RP ? Moonguard Goldshire welcomes you

[eternal crest]

Wow did sort of lose some chatroom aspects what with good social media becoming a thing.

Can still meet anybody doing anything, though.

[minor gust]

Not RP it's hard to explain unless you play classic.

[eternal crest]

If not rp then just chitchat, innit

[steady isle]

barren/general chats used to be a thing. But merged servers and sharding ruin it

[proper moth]

Taking a step back from CE this xpac in a casual guild with some super cool people

[minor gust]

Just regularly seeing the same people in game really adds a lot

[proper moth]

There are plenty of them out there

[minor gust]

You don't see the same people in retail unless your pugging high end M+

[proper moth]

Yee

That’s true

[eternal crest]

It's any niche interest you see a lot of the same people.

I recognize half the people I queue into in pvp.

[minor gust]

That's what's kinda added to the whole culture of people treating each other like npcs

[minor gust]

Yeah that's another one

[eternal crest]

Met a lot of people through achievements.

Battlegrounds.

Dungeons.

Get talking about mutual interest, get talking about other stuff, etc.

[minor gust]

Never said it can't be done or anything. It's just significantly more rare

[eternal crest]

Basically bee yourself. 🐝

[steady isle]

well, in classic, each server had like 2,000 of players, it takes months to years to fully progress a character, so you could meet others again during progression. But in mordern wow, we have millions of players who also have bazillions of alts. it's really hard to see a guy more than once unless you reach very top end of the content.

tldr: arms sucks, reroll to fury

[proper moth]

I mean shit same people talk in here

[minor gust]

Modern classic is a mega server with 20k and layering and the community still feels very alive

[dim basalt]

Thats every class discord

[proper moth]

True but that’s what builds a sense of community

I shuffle between here and DH

DH always been the fall back when warrior is ass

[eternal crest]

I do wish retail didn't have the layering, though.

Play on the same server as a friend for 10 years and both run around the main city and never see each other.

[dim basalt]

I see my guildies pretty often

[steady isle]

layering is unavoidable in merged or mega servers. CPU can't handle that large amount of information without causing significant delays

[dim basalt]

But agree that main cities shouldnt layer as aggressively as they do now

[eternal crest]

Ye, just funny it doesn't prio guild/friends or anything.

[jovial hare]

guild exclusive shards when

[eternal crest]

Guilds on my realm I've never seen.

[minor gust]

I wouldn't be surprised if there's something coded to keep guildies regularly on the same layer.

[eternal crest]

In 15 years.

[dim basalt]

Oh they can absolutely handle that

I think you underestimate how powerful CPUs are

[jovial hare]

they can handle it when the engine isn't 21 years old

lmao

[dim basalt]

I dont think the backend is running single core

[minor gust]

Player CPUs are fine it's the servers that aren't fine

[jovial hare]

^

[minor gust]

Layering is for the servers not the player

[steady isle]

I wasn't talking about your CPU, but back-end CPUs

[dim basalt]

Yeah?

What makes you think that theyre worse

[jovial hare]

blizzard is the one managing them

[dim basalt]

Im not sure how familiar you are with that kind of stuff but even super low end CPUs can handle a lot of stuff

[steady isle]

they process different information

your CPU only process front-end

[dim basalt]

Im a fullstack dev... :I

[jovial hare]

the real problem is that they have multiple games on single datacenters, in my unprofessional opinion

[dim basalt]

It also doesnt help that they have the entire game split into only 3 databases

[jovial hare]

like when a new xpac launches on wow, overwatch has pretty extreme server instability, games closing early, etc

im pretty sure ram ult actually breaks servers sometimes

[dim basalt]

In a perfect world they also have GPUs calculating everything world related but I doubt they do that lmao

[torpid wave]

ret players try not to touch children challenge level impossible

[jovial hare]

wat

[fresh spire]

wat

[proper moth]

Wat

[torn rivet]

wat

https://i.imgflip.com/amgis9.gif

[boreal remnant]

wat

[weak rain]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgis9.gif

[minor gust]

wat

[fickle dock]

yeah well let's see after the buffs, still won't be good but...at least we have a decent apex talent

[minor gust]

none of that shit matters if the 12.05 changes go live

[fresh spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1481991857369255996/GIF_20260313_122512_444.gif

[minor gust]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision-arms-feedback/2270878
so thats why if you are on NA make your complaints heard

🫡

[dim basalt]

holy fuck

[fickle dock]

yeah 12.05 changes sucks

let's hope it's not definitive 😮

[minor gust]

complain about it on the forum thread and hope the chance at it not being definitive is higher

[fickle dock]

make colossus smash last 12 sec also...10sec feels like crap tbh

[lime ruin]

all that shite is goin live bruh try not to cope too hard

[obsidian otter]

Technically it last 14 seconds if your adding in tier set as cleave extends it by 1s so crushing combo you can extend CS (in aoe) atleast longer you just don’t really get value out of that until 35% since execute phase Cleave does more than slam so you would get extended CS windows in 35% or below

[proper moth]

Everyone needs to crash out and threaten to delete the discord like the pink warriors did

[minor gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1314374602285125712/1380938748677722223/WhyTheFuckHaveYouBeenDrinkingSoMuchMilkIfYouKnewYouWereLactoseIntolerantJesusChristDude.gif

[tulip quail]

looking at dps meter in raid

[unique steppe]

rets crashout over nothing. most coddled class since forever

[proper moth]

And it worked

[unique steppe]

yeah if you piss and moan 24/7 eventually blizz will just get tired and cave i suppose

[proper moth]

They’ve paved the path we just gotta follow it😂

[steep osprey]

I don't think it worked

[proper moth]

We didn’t delete the discord

Delete the discord you’ll see changes😂

[steep osprey]

I believe blizzard already did the tuning internally

Before Paladins shut down the discord

It's just a coincidence

It's funny to think that's how it went down though

[proper moth]

Possibly

I think we just need a straight rework. Talent trees need to be looked at and rotations are jank, slayer is stupid and there too many buttons

[misty bridge]

it's very likely

everybody in their mum wants a rework, but they rarely do them.

Most of these reworks are just redesigns

[proper moth]

I’m mean priests and rogues get them every other patch😂

But like playing other classes arms is janky asf

[steep osprey]

Depends on what you think reworks are

[proper moth]

Make the ability rotations make sense and de clutter. Fix the dumb options in our talent trees

Slayer need to do execute or blade storm not both

[languid torrent]

I dont care what they do. Just please make execute great again

[proper moth]

True

I feel like out shit execute and MS dmg stems from our shitty talents

[brisk bison]

I'm dumb. I'm testing out arms, but why does it say cleave have a cd, but I press it and it doesnt incur a CD? i cant find anything in the talents

and then randomly, it will incur a CD

nvm i found it. it's the physical cleave icon talent that i thought was cleave :^)

[fossil root]

TRVKE

[proper moth]

Just hope they cook up something

Whole spec is backwards

[sudden fox]

Rogue ones are always riddled with bugs too that never get fixed lol

[proper moth]

😂

[sudden topaz]

after reset on tuesday, its the season 1 dungeons or still the 8 midnight ones?

[silk spade]

season 1 m0 iirc

[sudden topaz]

cool thanks

[white stratus]

Im here to report that after doing some mythics as arms warrior that it isent as bad as we are claiming, imo yes its a little lackluster on certain fights like AOE, vs a mage i mean lets be honest forget it but on single target i was well first or second on dps most fights

[elfin compass]

are the tuesday buffs to Arms good enough for me to bother leveling my warrior alt

[white stratus]

i personally think they will be fine

[silk spade]

https://giphy.com/gifs/blue-archive-hoshino-takahashi-mlLLkiLcdtbhuG2DFQ

[stable socket]

my level 80 warlock sims for higher than my 236 arms warrior

[robust cypress]

Does the buff to arms make damage procs 'worse'

[misty bridge]

Huh

[rare kite]

wazt

wat

[robust cypress]

Like the embellishments and damage trinkets, doesn't it make the stat ones better

For the 15% arms damage buff coming on tuesday

[rare kite]

oh yea i guess so

[cyan oriole]

So are we crafting bracers + cloak or wep on tuesday? The wowhead guide says two different things.

[unreal meteor]

so monday are we going to want to pickup rank 4 spex talent

apex*

[dire hinge]

yes, Archi posted some preliminary sims in #updates-midnight message

[halcyon gust]

oh i didnt know stormy was here too

[tired sinew]

Make slayer get the DF s3 tier set. SD proc TC and rend proc SD.

[halcyon gust]

im here to officially complain about the fucking updates channel my gm jsut integrated into our guild discord

who do i direct that at

@raw atlas

[raw atlas]

Go back to DK channel

[halcyon gust]

i play arms too

[jovial hare]

@robust cypress hi stormy, didnt know you were in here

[robust cypress]

Hello!

Arms is my main alt 😄

[muted vine]

arms is so ass in pvp 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[halcyon gust]

arms is so ass in pvp

[coarse ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/but-were-good-brett-hand-inside-job-clark-duke-are-we-good-gif-23667087

[vast helm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1481991857369255996/GIF_20260313_122512_444.gif

[minor gust]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1481991857369255996/GIF_20260313_122512_444.gif

[slender sonnet]

https://i.imgflip.com/977c65.gif

[hushed pine]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19492754

[slender sonnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1481704156178940025/amgm6l.gif

[muted vine]

like for real

i dont even konw why i leveled warrior

[vague nova]

As a slayer m+ enjoyer it was like a fever dream having that

[hybrid needle]

Thats why it was removed. Blizt detected fun

[minor gust]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision-arms-feedback/2270878/44
Remember if you got a problem with the 12.05 changes comment them on this thread! Still the second most active one by a mile

[latent moss]

i would but eu

w post tho

[minor gust]

someones gotta try to save us

[latent moss]

yeah i mean i lost all hope personally

the change has to be ragebait

[minor gust]

look if I can keep this thread active till next set of ptr notes and they dont decide to revert the changes then its cooked

and I give up on this shit class

[rare kite]

what will you play instead? other games?

[minor gust]

if Dev DH continues to own and feel fun I might take that into raid prog

[rare kite]

the meta minigame is fun but it's so predictable... i get bored

[minor gust]

theres something about it thats scratching an itch for me

well see how long that continues. Def gonna do a ton of keys with it which is what the spec feels designed for

[crude sonnet]

I'm curious how Demolish works with how it does damage to extra targets. I saw a post recent regarding how demolish doesn't hit enemies around the target as indicated by the tool tip and I can't find it again to ask the question. Can someone clarify how it deals damage so I know how to set up, please?

[minor gust]

Demolish in MS paint

[crude sonnet]

So it's a cone in front of the player?

[minor gust]

its a lot of weird little things but you can just simplify it like this

just remember when casting demolish it will change the way your character is facing

[crude sonnet]

Oh so when I cast it I will face the target and then it will do a cone in that direction. Got it.

[minor gust]

[crude sonnet]

Thanks heaps! That's actually really helpful.

[rose ibex]

I still wish it was something like supercharge slam in poe2

I remember how awkward demolish was on release in tww

[thorn stream]

You also dont enjoy fury that much ?

[icy magnet]

I wanted to zug zug :[

[minor gust]

I play fury too but fury is also plagued with the same shit design decisions its not just arms. These 12.05 changes especially also shits on fury

[oak flame]

The Arms apex talent which ppm has ?

[thick kelp]

we got no clue

gotta wait for reset so we can confirm

[fresh spire]

Play prot instead

Our co tank just vanishes so I've been asked to tank

Feeeellllls badman

[minor gust]

[thick kelp]

Atleast you will do relevant dps now in raid

[fresh spire]

Real

I'll be going back dps when we recruit.

[minor gust]

I play prot to tank guild keys at the start of the season and das about it

[fresh spire]

So it's not all bad

[minor gust]

Never liked prot tanking tho

[fresh spire]

Also doing this

I think prot is one of the better tanks

Other than dots it's a brick wall

[minor gust]

I don't understand how shield block and IP is just not the same button at this point

[fresh spire]

You basically send them back to back for reset

[minor gust]

Merge that shit into 1 button and call it a day

[fresh spire]

Buff prot execute

The real execute class

[minor gust]

Real

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1481991857369255996/GIF_20260313_122512_444.gif

[latent moss]

s3 tww thane execute spam in aoe was peak

[rare kite]

go dwarf and you deal with the worst of those as well

[vast glacier]

maybe arms colossus is new meta now

[open echo]

bro just close the discord like paladins and gg

[fresh spire]

Fuck that dwarfs are cringe

[thick kelp]

True

be a panda

[dim basalt]

[fossil root]

Ok. Now this seems to be on-purpose class-design grifting.

Either this or some key dude was removed from class design team.

[thick hamlet]

what are you talking about

[spring vale]

Ignore Pain is apm slop at this point. Thane prot is so flooded with rage you end up pressing IP to burn rage and it feels spammier than old ironfur with thorns of iron

[fresh spire]

Feels when your 100 almost always and still spamming

[daring heron]

i like spamming as prot

dont take it away

[fresh spire]

Would be nice if overflow from ip became damage

I dunno what it is about prot but revenge just doesn't feel as good as it used too

[slow saddle]

Collosus REVENGE

[fresh spire]

3 target execute s3 was goated

[slow saddle]

SLAPPED Y SLAP

[umbral badger]

ok guys, it is time to sacrifice for the sake of the guild, need to learn some disgusting fury warrior.

where to start

[fresh spire]

Press rampage

Then bt

100 logs

[umbral badger]

lol

[vagrant hull]

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[umbral badger]

you just gave me more reasons to hate this shit

lol

will just start from wowhead i guess

ofc , problem number one. can't use same gear for both specs lol

[thick kelp]

Dont care about stats

just hit N and do the rotation

[dim basalt]

Only need different rings and maybe neck

[tropic eagle]

Learn is a strong word

Its very simple

I remember randomly switching to fury on KT Nathria prog after not having played it for years and got an orange parse

[sonic marsh]

zogzog

[fresh spire]

Holy dunndun

[sonic marsh]

ABUNDANCE

[fresh spire]

They nerfed the rat

[umbral badger]

i mean i hate the spec to the point where i'd rather delete the game than play it, if not for hte fact that i would like to be usefull to my friends and guildmates which is not gonna be possible as arms lol

that's why it's like a new class for me

[sonic marsh]

I saw that, classic Bliizz wanting to kill the fun

[umbral badger]

gotta start from coppying someone's profile so lookin g into critcakes discord now

[tropic eagle]

Just play a different class until season 2 mate

Im having fun on ww monk dk and surv hunt theres plenty to choose from

[umbral badger]

can't , guild setup is set and i couldn't decide on changing before we saw the "balance update'

[tropic eagle]

Even feral is fun and good I hear

[umbral badger]

or lets call it the "imbalance update"

[tropic eagle]

Are you a mythic prog guild?

[soft dew]

You're the shout guy in your raid?

[umbral badger]

yes yes , and i am the only warrior :p

[umbral badger]

EXACTLY XD

[tropic eagle]

My condolences

[soft dew]

I mean if you're there to shout you should be able to play Arms...

[umbral badger]

anyway gonna wipe out all my interface shit and addons and start doing it from zero

[umbral badger]

while he guild would say that, i still wanna do a bit more than tank dps LoL

[soft dew]

I get it yeah

Did they say if they were going to do another tuning for mythic week btw?

[tropic eagle]

Fury can be fun just get a caffeine addiction and listen to some hardbass or some shit

[soft dew]

Can't remember

[soft dew]

I play fury with some eurobeat and I feel like I'm drifting like in Initial D

[latent moss]

3 more weeks of tuning

[umbral badger]

as i said before we saw the 18th tuning, i don't trust them. they did this to us several time in TWW where they bufffed us JUST ENOUGH to make us bottom dps, rather than a nothing dps.

[soft dew]

Indeed, I found the message in the meantime, sorry!

I do agree that I don't trust them either

[umbral badger]

so the minimum we can do is practice the other spec a little so that if blizzard repeat TWW middle finger crap with us we have a plan B lol

[tropic eagle]

idk man fury is too dumb for me

[umbral badger]

too spammy

[tropic eagle]

only thing more dumb is retrdin

[umbral badger]

i hate it

[thick kelp]

Just prepare the better class

[swift crown]

class betrayer...

[umbral badger]

even enh shaman which i consider relatively fun felt too spammy for me, and it has more things to think about than fury does.

[white stratus]

Just keep playing arms and turn ur meters off, who cares. Arms plays infinitely better than fury and most certainly ret

[umbral badger]

fury is like the ultimate spammy - zero strategic thinking lol

[tropic eagle]

I mean if hes mythic progging its not that simple

[white stratus]

Way more engaging

[umbral badger]

yup

[tropic eagle]

you cant really grief your guild actively

[umbral badger]

TWW arms was able to pull some tricks, can't be done now.

[soft dew]

I don't mind fury but I've always preferred Arms.

Most people prefer fury and that shows

[graceful sun]

Don't know why. Feels like shit to play. The sounds don't add up for a start. Why tf my axes and swords making thumping sounds?

[umbral badger]

i genuinly don't think that's true to the extent that is perceived by data

[tropic eagle]

fury is dumb af imo

[umbral badger]

most people just want ot do dmg and fury historically have been better

[tropic eagle]

both visually and gameplay wise

[soft dew]

Could also be that fury has been better yeah and that skews the numbers.

[umbral badger]

ppl need to understand, dps numbers are probably the strongest factor in a spec popularity in competitive play

and so if a spec is always shit in competitive environment it's popularity will keep going down

so i don't think most ppl "like fury more" , i can even bet that a big chunk of fury warriors never even tried arms

like if you swap from a class to warrior, and fury was the thing that does dmg and you still don't know which spec is fun, your going straight into fury and you ain't trying something else.

[white stratus]

Yeaj 2 gigantic swords in each hand xD always hated it. I k ow they added the transmog 1handed talent finally but

[umbral badger]

especially if the "something else, aka arms" is zDPS

[white stratus]

Yes you're right about that

[umbral badger]

but then again, blizzard might not care about the nuance of why ppl are not playing, they probably just look at "the data" and decide to fk the spec up "redesign" from there.

[slow saddle]

2 gigantic swords is fucking awesome

u sir did not play WHEN we got it first time

MAN i felt like a god when titan grip became a thing

[tropic eagle]

yeah its so fucking dumb idk

[slow saddle]

a proper barbarian brawler with Hugeass swords

[tropic eagle]

cringe anime wannabe zoomer thing

[white stratus]

Yes i did but i hated it ever since lol

[slow saddle]

it is

[white stratus]

That was in cata

[slow saddle]

100% a normal talent from rpg aint it

Nah it was in Wrath

[white stratus]

Yeah it was a talent i remember

Was it wrath? Okay well stop mentioning those cause i feel old now

XD

[tropic eagle]

we are old

we play wow we are old

[slow saddle]

i ONLY remember coz in Prepatch i was killin bosses in tbc with it

but also keep in mind since Titan grip 2handers have slowly been made smaller for the same reason

😄

[untold pewter]

How can I cope so I don't uninstall

45 sec burst on col ST

[slow saddle]

Ah PRESS Cleave more !

also u will beat him by 20% !

next reset

[untold pewter]

To be honest, she was above before the screenshot

[fresh spire]

You don't want to see 2 target colossus

I cooked some actual hell

[untold pewter]

This is making me feel unwell

[fresh spire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9EpeHJ53jkTdEFSTzW69fs

Look at damage breakdown

And the talents.

[thick kelp]

Cleavin in 2t

[fresh spire]

Not even got one vs many for more cleave

[thick kelp]

I love spending my globals on shti that cant proc my apex

[fresh spire]

At least every other 2 gcds can with increased rate with sweep

New apex slightly undersims on 2 target as its set to 2 stacks for average but it hits 3 heroic strikes pretty often between Cs with sweep up. So will be a little stronger

[untold pewter]

Also how many stacks are you guys usually getting for demolish when pulling from 0?

I can't get past 3-4

Before the end of CS, that is

[thick kelp]

I stopped caring

and just sent it inside CS

[fresh spire]

On pull in aoe you should get around 5.
In St you send after Ms on cd

[untold pewter]

Fair

I do like 2 MS

And send it

[fresh spire]

For sims at least as long as ms is on cooldown you can send on 1 stack to get it on cd.
For aoe you just spend cleave/crushing Combo stacks then send

[untold pewter]

Guess I'll just send after 1st MS for the haste buff

Gotcha

Thanks

[fresh spire]

Every other demolish should auto 10 stack. Crushing Combo makes it line up pretty nice to Cs if you have constant aoe and ms/cleave is kept on cd

[untold pewter]

Aye for sure

[vast helm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1481991857369255996/GIF_20260313_122512_444.gif

[grave mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1480570270724132978/am5nfo.gif

[zealous flume]

so, 15% and the master of arms buff is like what combined 18.5-19% ish? thats still a good chunk less damage than fury does right?

[tropic eagle]

Well fury was already midpack and they got buffed also and arms was competing with tanks

Ill leave it to you to figure out what that means

[zealous flume]

😄

either they want fury for the next tier and the arms buff is to make it "playable for normal raids if you really love arms" OR, they were too ashamed to just deadass write "buffed flat damage by 30%" into a patchnote 😄

[thick kelp]

we caught up with brewmasters now post buffs in st

[zealous flume]

deadass?

[zealous flume]

our sims arent on simcraft yet i think?

well, prot is

for some reason

[twilit flare]

Brewmaster wouldnt do as much dmg without our AP buff, the brewmasters our little dog

[gritty karma]

We are not doing DMG without sham buff

So are we shaman's dogs?

[twilit flare]

no arms and shaman have always been two peas in a pod, ever since classic. they deserve each other

[zealous flume]

is there a place where there are current dps warrior sims post buff?

or prebuff i guess i can just add 19%

[eternal edge]

it's not done yet i guess

[eternal edge]

def not 19%

[zealous flume]

well it was 15% flat and the apex buff is like 3.5-4%

[gritty karma]

Its smth like 18%

[zealous flume]

ok, 18, fine

[cobalt lodge]

are we playing the 4th apex talent once it's reworked or is arms still the only spec that doesnt use their apex talents?

[zealous flume]

i mostly wanted to know how far off that makes us still

[gritty karma]

Ye we go 4/4

[zealous flume]

according to #updates-midnight yes

[gritty karma]

Talents are updated in guides

[eternal edge]

we just don't have numbers confirmed but it's around 88/90k in ST

[cobalt lodge]

still funny that with a 15% aura buff it's still so dog awful

[eternal edge]

that's not about 15% aura

that's because most of specs got buffed too

[cobalt lodge]

will be literal hell trying to pug keys next week on my arms. legit considering signing up as fury and then changing

[eternal edge]

but in fact, arms are doing well in m+

it's all about ST

[cobalt lodge]

yes until you get to the boss and the healer outdpses you

[eternal edge]

(we're low mid in m+)

damn it's not fatality, its battelord that we shut down

[worn knoll]

have you tried mainlining smack?

[livid cloak]

If you figure it out lmk please

Its rough rn

[eternal edge]

slayer question :
we'll take culling cyclone instead of opportunist in ST?

[thick kelp]

Slayer answer:
More dmg

[eternal edge]

yeah for sure i didn't think tho

very surprised about fatality tbh i thought we'll that point for the 4th apex

[jagged finch]

Gamers what are we thinkin, Leech or avoidance enchants ?

[halcyon valve]

Mix both for style reasons

(Avoidance tho tbh)

[jagged finch]

True tbh, good to always have a lil bit of leech, and avoidance is nice always

[eternal edge]

i'll say avoidance imo

[halcyon valve]

Just leech value may be low due to this spec not doing dmg

[jagged finch]

True

[eternal edge]

and if you have to switch spec you'll don't have to reenchant

[dense sphinx]

🙃

[jagged finch]

where is this from

[dense sphinx]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GKshVVe_RAXO0I7kFnmg4Nu7kkqbJRV4GItbUHCvLfc/htmlview?pru=AAABnRIFB9s*#gid=1774556142

[zealous flume]

i did find this

ah yeah

[twilit flare]

we will get our number tomorrow when tuning drops

[eternal edge]

20k between arms and fury...
almost 40k between us and top dps

[jagged finch]

Lets hope these sims are pre tuning lol

[dim basalt]

Post

[jagged finch]

also why the fuck does fury get a 10% buff ?

[dim basalt]

Because Fury needs it

[eternal edge]

cause they needed it too

[dim basalt]

Despite the 10% buff theyre lower middle

[jagged finch]

WE NEED MORE

[kindred breach]

all they need to do now is revert ms / exe 20% nerfs

[steep osprey]

I think tsomeone should make a list

but without all the other hero talents

Just put the highest simming one for each spec

[dim basalt]

Wouldnt be enough still

[jagged finch]

Its ok we have the chad passive aura on our side

[kindred breach]

for what? jumping to the 1st spot? no it wouldnt but it would make us somewhat decent

[steep osprey]

There's only two states a spec can exist it

[eternal edge]

the ONLY THING that can save us is that any boss is only ST

[steep osprey]

#1 or bad

Don't forget that fellas

[dim basalt]

Reverting the -20% for MS and exe would be like a 3-4% buff only

I could make the math but I dont expect it to be more

[steep osprey]

They should buff OP

Slam

MS and Execute for 15%

[empty sluice]

Check brew vs arms xd

[eternal edge]

man we're so cooked

[steep osprey]

Brew is overtuned

We know that

[empty sluice]

Even prot is close

[eternal edge]

tbh i don't think we'll see any warrior in RWF and that will confirm that we suck

[slender sonnet]

1x warrior as the battle shout bitch

[dim basalt]

BRM and pwar are locked in

pretty much

chimaera might see a Fury

[eternal edge]

def not sure if it's still worth now with all theses intel spec on top

[twilit flare]

there will be a prot warrior

[untold trench]

The dream, means we would get giga buffs

[eternal edge]

that's my guess tho

[dim basalt]

I always thought youre a prot main

[untold trench]

Warrior if fine value, especially if Feral, UDK/frost or enh are i

[jagged finch]

gang im 236, only simming for 38k on single target, is that normal? legitimately

[untold trench]

Higher than many

Hm, didnt mean to reply to that

But og wemm

[dim basalt]

Are you ok bud

[untold trench]

I am fighting my phone, and it is winning

It is trying to help me type with AI

Very ganske

[jagged finch]

NGL i thought i had some talents wrong, because i swapped to fury after changing nothing yet it sims 15k higher lol

[dim basalt]

Welcome to Arms

[jagged finch]

only thing we can do is aura farm

[halcyon valve]

[zealous flume]

with how close prot and post-buff arms are, i am fairly sure you can beat arms as prot if you dont rip aggro and get better uptime from standing in mechanics that would kill arms

[tropic eagle]

am I doing it right

Im unfamiliar with these new youngster terms

[jagged finch]

you are indeed aura farming sir

[tropic eagle]

[fresh spire]

Why does the sword look so thin on him. I'm used to seeing jt look thick and clipping in the ground hahaha

[fervent jackal]

Kults are big lads.

[tropic eagle]

90% of two handers look like sticks on Kul Tirans

[fresh spire]

Would expect then to scale the sword model bigger too

[tropic eagle]

It makes it hard to find a proper sword

[slow saddle]

not rly

every single classic or tbc weap 😄

❤️

Paddletime

[fervent jackal]

Female Draenei also shrink 2H to toothpicks, alas.

[tropic eagle]

literally all of them are smaller than Sorrowbane...

there is a couple polearms that are bigger but Im a swordenjoyer

[thick hamlet]

what's the chest/shirt? looking good

[fresh spire]

Female Belf is stupid

[tropic eagle]

the one from dragonflight archeology event thing and you put a tabard over it

makes it look like its a sword strap

[fervent jackal]

Seriously - is Arms bugged in some way? Running characters through MN to 90 the damage on Arms seems crazy low. And its exacerbated by low haste.

[weak rain]

Female velf is better yeah

[fresh spire]

I remmeber seeing one with the ice crown poe sword quest line thing snd jt looked bruh

[fresh spire]

Arms is like 35% undertuned

It needs help stikl

[tropic eagle]

they messed up balance/tuning its just the reality of the spec

[thick kelp]

arms takes 20s to kill 1 mob
prot takes 1s to kill 20 mobs

[fervent jackal]

Yes just doing Warrior Fury and Arms after WW/Brew. Brew outdamages Arms easily. Fury shits all over arms in damage, self-sustain and plain fun...

[thick kelp]

Yeah

[eternal edge]

100% sure

[fervent jackal]

That is in line with my experiance, alas.

[flat willow]

alright but what spec doesn't

[jagged finch]

Someone make me feel better, what ARE we better than fury at?

[flat willow]

dying

[tropic eagle]

was gonna say pvp but I dont think thats the case anymore either

[fervent jackal]

Where are the fearful beefy Executes?

[flat willow]

again this is a very warrior player thing to do, seeing the other spec and trying to drag it down to the sewers with arms

let the fury players enjoy being

middle of the pack, I guess?

[tropic eagle]

nah the thing is

fury was above average in dps for 8 out of 10 expansions

[flat willow]

the important part is that arms is and will forever be garbage

[tropic eagle]

we had like 2-3 glory moments

its a bit sad at this point

[jagged finch]

Lets be honest we're the ugly stepchild spec

[fervent jackal]

I'll still play Arms because I like my Valkyrie T-mog with 2H spear/plate. That's about it. Mind you, there's and offhand fist weapon that looks like a small silver shield to even with that I can play Fury...

Vanitas vanitatum, et omnia vanitas.

[frank rock]

Hey ! Do you have the link to the spreadsheet by any chance ?

[thick kelp]

no :(

[frank rock]

Thanks a lot !

[fervent jackal]

🫡

[soft gust]

Is this pre or post tuesday patch

[karmic reef]

after tuning

[twilit flare]

The first thing I read when clicking the arms warrior sim: This report has a high error margin

The bot doesn't play arms warrior correctly, must be fraud

[fast wedge]

FFFFFFFF i leveled SP as my back up plan to arms

$15 a month to get out dps'd by a tank

[rough pewter]

can i find anywhere a list of classes by pure overall dps?

asking for a friend

[thick kelp]

like 5 messages above

[rough pewter]

oh thanks

is there similar list but for m+ ?

[thick kelp]

no

[rough pewter]

thank you

your name rocks btw

[thick kelp]

go look at the opinion of zorthas and then wait untill 0.5 patch for m+ meta

[dim basalt]

zorthas the goat

[slow saddle]

minus the FUN part

[sudden topaz]

There's a sync error with that link

Anyone else getting that

[thick kelp]

nop

[cobalt lodge]

Feral druid with the highest st sim and the most boring rotation. Pog

[tropic eagle]

bm hunter and fire mage would like to know your location

[steep osprey]

Guardian forgot to give us the rest

Where's the 5%?

[rapid bronze]

warbound transfer tax

[warm zodiac]

Real question is why that guardian druid is so stacked in the pic

[misty sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/mha-my-hero-academia-all-might-scream-anime-gif-2759541560069631282

[tawny thorn]

Why they hate us like this tho

How TF can they already plan on nerfing us on 12.0.5 ?

[sudden topaz]

its wild we are getting a 15% aura buff and a worhtwhile apex 4 point and are still essentially the weakest

[simple lintel]

Is there merit to trying to do the raid as Arms, in the hopes Blizzard can use the data to make changes?

[olive nest]

I am so hyped to be buffed up to bottom dps!!!

[summer niche]

finally higher then HEALERS

[tawny thorn]

Still lower than tonks

[summer niche]

yayyyyyy

[tawny thorn]

Fuck them honestly

[summer niche]

i have to q as fury to get accepted into m0's its so disgusting

[tawny thorn]

And you change to Arms once in right ?

RIGHT ?!

[summer niche]

no...

I dont want to dps below tank :c

[tawny thorn]

yea

How long do we have to be this trash

I mean

[summer niche]

15 button rotation (at least it feels like that sometimes) + being under tank is so disappointing

[tawny thorn]

Yea, Blizz pruning Kappa

Take out roar but force us to take shattering throw

-1 keybind

+1 keybind

ETA GG

[fast wedge]

i like our 15 button rotation

just give me some JUICE

[latent moss]

not every spec has to be 2 button rotation braindead

[dim basalt]

^

Arms isnt complex

[latent moss]

certainly is now

[dim basalt]

Id rather have this than just alternating between MS and OP

lol

[latent moss]

compared to other specs

axaxax

[summer niche]

Im ok with the amount of buttons because the core is still only like 6 buttons and its not complex but at least let me get the juice

[latent moss]

i like the piano gameplay

[summer niche]

its great thats why I love arms

but we are armless

[latent moss]

not uncommon for arms

[summer niche]

https://klipy.com/gifs/armswarrior-warriorwow

[fast wedge]

its piano, but not 10000 APM, its a lot of buttons, but not crazy complex - its good it just needs the JUICE

[tawny thorn]

I like it too don't get me wrong

But yea

[fast wedge]

i cant stand apm of fury

[tawny thorn]

Makes us hit harder than tanks at least

[summer niche]

instead of buffs give us not just twohanders but threehanders and make them OP as fuck, problem solved

bigger weapons

bigger monkeys

bigger damage

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/770357446669369394/781360726756687902/a_ea9fed3a9a7e990580e8421573b58834.gif

[tawny thorn]

Last time we had a bigger weapon aka legendary, tuning was made around having it

While not being able to loot it for 8 or 10 weeks

Sooo, you know

Make our spells hit harder sound better than a quadruple handers weapon ahaah

[still frigate]

I find arms easier than fury

[summer niche]

not easier but fury is more hasty

why is it so hard for blizzard to tune stuff?

[steep osprey]

They already giga nerfed BRM this tuning pass so they're aware

There's 2 more tuning passes

[tawny thorn]

Slayer so boring tho

[fast wedge]

i wish we got more communication about classes and tuning

[quasi comet]

slayer is far more fun than colossus

[tawny thorn]

EWW

Waiting on Reap to do everything ?

You can have it

[quasi comet]

demolish would be fun if it actually did damage ever, by time your get it stacked up everyone else is a mile ahead

i have never felt demolish was actually rewarding to press

[wicked yoke]

I dont dislike the Normal AoE priority List. That seems pretty simple. I am not a fan of having a 9 button opener wih the hardest hitting ability being last, which this early in the season means there is a good chance everythign is dead

[tawny thorn]

You can demolo early, at least for the 1st one

The tuned it to be used like this more than previous seasons

[wicked yoke]

I think Ideall you wnt as many Stacks as you can get while still geting demo off suring CS

[tawny thorn]

It won't blast like at 10 stacks and even at 10 it's not the hardest hitting ability

[livid cloak]

Demo needs help

It needs to be tied to colossus smash somehow or something

[wicked yoke]

Man I cant type, Sorry.

[tawny thorn]

I like the spell so much

[wicked yoke]

Also cooldown desync is a big issue

[tawny thorn]

We got it @wicked yoke

:p

[halcyon valve]

everyone, this guy has not hit a 800k demolish

[livid cloak]

I hit a 517k demolish last night

[quasi comet]

i liked the spell when it was the legendary, I would have never wanted that legendary if I knew I would be stuck with it years later.

[livid cloak]

Was still bottom dps at the end of the fight

[tawny thorn]

It's close to UH pestilience pre nerf

So it's hitting

[wicked yoke]

I wish Demo ws like Wake of ashes, in a sense were you could move while hitting it. That might make it "feel better" to press but idk

[halcyon valve]

when you hit a big demolish and your name jumps to #1 in the dmg meter

[livid cloak]

Demo needs to auto crit your main target or just do more damage

[wicked yoke]

when you hit it in ST and Jump to to the bottom.

[latent moss]

tww s3 demolish owned

[wicked yoke]

I think it actually heals ST bosses

[latent moss]

colo heals on st

[tawny thorn]

Arms is

Not just demolo

[halcyon valve]

we dont talk about singletarget

this spec is cursed

[tawny thorn]

Blizz hates us or something

[livid cloak]

Double ms and execute damage

[tawny thorn]

I mean, warriors are in the game since the start, huge lore, many warriors in the story

and yet, we are healing bosses

TF is that

[halcyon valve]

25% to OP (not juggernaut), MS and Execute would save us

[wicked yoke]

I think Colo needs a Massive AoE buff(even though the AoE isnt terrible) to make up for the fact that we are still choosing AoE talents over ST ones. Its the only way its worth it.

[arctic hearth]

Just play prot if you want more ST kekl😂

[quasi comet]

i personally dont enjoy having a entire hero talent tree based around AOE and its useless in single, and its not even that insane in AOE to make up for it

[wicked yoke]

A lot of classes and specs dont need to choose between the two. If we have to choose. It better be worth it.

and ffs could we get some dev notes that dont look like they were run through AI to have as little detail as possible.

[fossil lynx]

Being forced into one for ST and the other for AoE is the worst design ever.

[quasi comet]

yeah warrior needs a class dev bad

[fossil lynx]

I like current gameplay overall tbf, they just need to tune like human beings

[wicked yoke]

Yeah I think we are split between people who dont like the current gameplay and those who do. Personally I think they failed on the mandate to simplify the class. Maybe thats not abad thing, however, if iits gonna be more buttons and more complex to tplay, the damage shoudl reflect that. At least somewhat.

[fossil lynx]

I don't think it does. All classes should be perfectly balanced in a perfect world and if you prefer a difficult class because you enjoy it, that's on you

The issue is doing garbage damage period. That should never happen regardless of difficulty

[wicked yoke]

Yeah, I didnt mean hardest class=most dmg. Just that as of right now, is more work to be out damaged by tanks in ST and to somewhat keep up in AoE. Sorry

[uncut yacht]

I am beyond sure they are at least one person out there who is a turbo nerd who'd do it for a free staff lunch

and they still dont care to get one

[quasi comet]

yeah they def dont care, only time they are quick to adjust things are when we are doing above average. If we are ass blizz will just simply let us fall between the cracks, but god forbid if we are managing to out damage casters they INSTANT nerf us that week every single time

[graceful sun]

Constantly spinning from sudden death genuinely feels fun (detected) idc how hard it is to balance.

[fresh spire]

Remove execute deep wounds

👍

[quasi comet]

becareful they might see that and just remove execute instead

[fresh spire]

That's a good thing. Colossus doesn't need it

[quasi comet]

yeah go back to ret buddy

[wicked yoke]

A change I dont understand unless thye plan to change something else to allow Reap procs in ST and Other reasones to Hit Exc in AoE. But we dont know, because we dont get good dev notes.

[fresh spire]

Have you not see our Lord and saviour cleave in colossys

[tawny thorn]

Same cleave that doesn't procc deep wounds anymore since I GUESS we were doing too much AOE ?

ETA GG

[fresh spire]

Change isn't in yet. Still many weeks until it is

[tawny thorn]

But still, my mind can't comprehend how you plan on nerfing a spec already cleaning the gutter

[fresh spire]

I can. Are you new to arms. This is a very common occurrence of being mediocre and nerfed

[wicked yoke]

Yes, but if we sit on our hands and say things like "its not for many weeks" or "We dont have the full picture" then we run the change it being taken out and not replaced by anything worth while. All because we did nothing.

[tawny thorn]

I'm not new no

[fresh spire]

Think reap ww is going to stay. Can see reap sd being reverted

[tawny thorn]

But I think I had enough of Blizz droping liquid shit on my neck

[wicked yoke]

tbh I dont know. Everyone seems VERY black pilled about devs hearing our discontent. But anything is possible. One thing is forsure. IF we do nothing, nothing happens.

[fresh spire]

It's very rare anything we whine about is fixed

[quasi comet]

most of the time if we whine we get more nerfs

[tropic eagle]

cause nobody plays arms

[fresh spire]

But the whining got in early this time around so potentially seen instead of being buried under frost mages again

[tropic eagle]

its the issue with unpopular specs, just have to face the reality they are never a priority

[wicked yoke]

Could just be that we arnt loud enough. Frozen Bozo made a forum post about the SD changes and it got over 2000 views, yet only 44 comments. The Frost mage one had 4k views and around 200 comments. Maybe we are so black pilled we have gotten complicit.

[wind hatch]

its time to shut it down boys

[fresh spire]

Frost mages like to yap more

Mages always have been exceedingly active the moment they don't look meta on the forums

[graceful sun]

Genuinely do it. (Pls pls pls I don't want to get benched from raid)

[wicked yoke]

thats my point.

[tropic eagle]

you can yap all you want

if your spec is played by 10k people vs 600k spec you wont be heard ever

they will eventually get to it but it will never be a priority

[wicked yoke]

Perfect example of being black pilled, idk

[quasi comet]

i pay the same price for a sub as they do, I expect my buffs

[wicked yoke]

We can just keep complaining here, talking about our ideas for things to be better, and making memes about the death of Arms warrior.

[tropic eagle]

you can expect things doesnt mean youll get them

[fresh spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1481991857369255996/GIF_20260313_122512_444.gif

[quasi comet]

never black pill

[fossil lynx]

Let's be real, the only way to get changes fast is closing the discord

[quasi comet]

but we never will because we arent that whiny

[fresh spire]

Fast changes for making people go else where you mean. The ret discord closing did nothing for their buffs. Just the timing to when the buffs not long after. That had nothing to do with discord. B

[candid pecan]

last season blizzard looked at warcraftlogs, and buffed the specs which were below aug evoker (arms/ret pal and couple more specs) do you really think they buffed ret because they closed the discord?

[fossil lynx]

Guys it was obviously a joke

[verbal tendon]

Hey all - do we craft a 2h this week? Or wait for potential drops? Been hearing a lot of back and forth

[soft dew]

Guide says craft except if you know you'll get a myth weapon quickly

The "issue" is that weapon technically isn't BiS.

[verbal tendon]

hm...also i could see it keepin us relevant out the gate with copium we get a bit more of a buff later?

[soft dew]

I would follow this: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/bis-gear#crafting-order

[verbal tendon]

cool, i'll take a look

[high snow]

arms usually catches stray nerfs when fury or prot are doing too much damage.. its an arms thing

[fossil root]

Hear me out.
Arms + Colossus = tank / DPS spec
Arms + Slayer = DPS / support spec

BL for arms/slayer

[fading isle]

unbalanced

BL needs to be in only dps specs

And it would need 2 talent nodes to work

and nerf it 15% haste

and it's blizzard friendly

[obsidian otter]

im curious to see the single and aoe sim from before and after increase to see how much it boosted us

[fresh spire]

75k to 88k

[obsidian otter]

what fury go to?

[dim basalt]

95k to 102k

[obsidian otter]

so arms still bottom sim 🙁

[rapid bronze]

it would be fine if we were the bottom out of all the dps but brewmaster is also ahead of us

[weak rain]

no, arms should be slightly ahead of fury on st ideally

[dense sphinx]

also fyi arms is closer to prot than it is to fury

KEK

[runic rock]

Is that spreadsheet correct where arms is doing 80k and feral is doing 120k?

Or is that messed up to not include after tuning?

That seems insanely unbalanced. Like more than ive ever seen

[eager sable]

It's after tuning, but the Feral sims are Not Great™, so anyone's guess if theirs is accurate at all.

[runic rock]

Yea but even so there's a bunch of classes doing around 110-115 and arms doing 80k lol