so for m+ would you recommend Thane or Slayer?
#arms
glacial thunder
uncut yacht
so for m+ would you recommend Thane or Slayer?
colossus?
glacial thunder
oh screw i posted in arms damn ssry
hallow quail
Thane, we lost reap on sudden
timid elk
Hope they decide not to change reap. Proc feels good, not even talking about the numbers. Visual and audio are a nice bonus during the rotation
slow saddle
Again just remove reap
From everything
But sd
And its a fuckin win
Like that would make sense
olive nest
Nah fam 15% +apex put us at 90k easily room for another 10%
steep osprey
Thane, we lost reap on sudden
We didn't lose it YET
viscid grail
did balance not get more? with the aura and ability buffs
hallow quail
Guys we are coping with this yet stuff lmao
hallow quail
Okok I understand
steep osprey
As soon as it is live on the servers, we would have lost it
slow saddle
Nah fam 15% +apex put us at 90k easily room for another 10%
10% puts us at? Still sub 100k🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
fast wharf
yeah needs an additional 25%
untold trench
Nah fam 15% +apex put us at 90k easily room for another 10%
Sim dps Andy 
i care only about screenshots that supports my narrative
olive nest
When our single target was 74k the buff could have easily been 25%
untold trench
Nah, that would make the 2t niche too strong
steep osprey
Is there even a 2target boss in the raid?
untold trench
Better reduce ST a bit to be safe
olive nest
Right because sweep has no way to be adjusted so fuck arms ST perma
untold trench
Remove a 18-20% and arms is in the perfect spot
strong void
What we thinking for talents to get apex? Getting rid of bloodletting?
bleak arrow
i was curious so i simmed myself for the first time as arms today, thought i accidentially swapped to prot
olive nest
Sim dps Andy <:Hydrate:690891013350228028> i care only about screenshots that s...
Community perception all that matters
uncut yacht
Right because sweep has no way to be adjusted so fuck arms ST perma
i know its iconic in a way but what would you think if they just removed it? fdk struggled with the same thign when dnd gave obliterate cleave afaik, then they removed it and finally managed to balance it more or less
untold trench
Community perception all that matters
I am the community perception.
olive nest
Let the spec be good at 2 target what’s the problem
Let shadow be good at spread dotting
No problem
uncut yacht
Let the spec be good at 2 target what’s the problem
a melee spec cannot stand out
non int classes dont get a spotlight
untold trench
Too strong in 2v2 arena
olive nest
PvP is irrelevant
bleak arrow
i know its iconic in a way but what would you think if they just removed it? fdk...
i mean, every single spell enhance has seems to do aoe also, so im not sure why sweep is a problem
olive nest
Separate tuning
slow saddle
i know its iconic in a way but what would you think if they just removed it? fdk...
Lol
uncut yacht
i mean, every single spell enhance has seems to do aoe also, so im not sure why ...
because you can tune aoe and st separately but with sweep the 2 are intertwined
slow saddle
No?
uncut yacht
so it becomes a domino nightmare
faint tree
yet somehow they've managed to tune frost mage cleave 🤔
slow saddle
Like tuning 2t cleave is np
uncut yacht
yet somehow they've managed to tune frost mage cleave 🤔
its an int caster ofc they did, the designer is not an incompetent nepo baby
bleak arrow
Sweep now 65%
sweep is up 100% easiily anyways, just make it a passive and you're always doing aoe and tune as needed, almost silly its even a button
lyric hound
sweeping should be attached to CS via talent choice so you can tune ST seperately
olive nest
I’m all for passive sweep but the problem is they’ll just never let the ST be good which is bull but wcyd
uncut yacht
i dont really get why tho, 2t bosses are so rare
slow saddle
I mean sweep at 75%
Would solve that
Broad strikes should prob give 16 stacks and remove sweep from bars
So uptime on sweep isnt 100%
But u get s good burst ik cs
white stratus
after reading the patch notes i think imma just reroll ret paladin
pliant crypt
ret pala it was already good even before buffs
olive nest
I’ll never re roll but I sure will piss and moan to the void of nothing ness whenever it’s in a poor state
white stratus
like think about it, it even has a talent to knockback people similar to dragon charge, freedom, wings , ranged attacks, heals, lay on hands, 2 immune bubbles, 1 reduces damage and does dmg on explode like why even bother with shitty warrior fr
pliant crypt
the problem is arms doent have role in this game and they destroy all base line skills they nerf and avatar its not remove root anymore
faint tree
somebody has to make the rest of the dps look good
pliant crypt
the skills feels laging dmg is trash and in pvp they must spam heal on you cose its like victim
faint tree
Arms feels great in general, though heroic strike feels awkward. We just need a bit of tuning
pliant crypt
and dont make the mistake and go open world pvp us an arms you die from aoe skills from other classes they dosent need to target you
deft osprey
Does the 4th apex point change make us actually take it now?
dusky forge
I’ll never re roll but I sure will piss and moan to the void of nothing ness whe...
Amen brother
steep osprey
Does the 4th apex point change make us actually take it now?
Yes
uncut yacht
somebody has to make the rest of the dps look good
arms walks so the dps role as a design can run
burden heavier than Bolvars frfr
strong void
Yes
But what are we dropping in M+? I’m a new warrior admittedly and fury is cool and all, but spent yesterday slapping target dummies and doing some M0s and I think I’m convert to arms. I get it now. Yes dmg may be not amazing, but damn does it feel good slapping shit with demolisher
bleak arrow
i think i sim higher as prot warrior
toxic garden
arms propaganda - i just hit a phaddy MS 😄
bleak arrow
i indeed do sim higher as prot, must be my stats
eternal edge
Someone send me this idk if it's accurate yet
candid pecan
90k arms? HOLY, give us 3 targets and we ballin
obsidian otter
Someone send me this **idk if it's accurate yet**
UHDK drop from 130k to 106k is interesting demo lock was also doing like 135k now down to 116k so if these are right its not looking to bad
Not many play feral but them jumping to 120k is a huge buff they got
eternal edge
UHDK drop from 130k to 106k is interesting demo lock was also doing like 135k no...
I feel it's accurate (and it's so sad for us we don't even see Colossus lol)
I'm not sure tho
vast helm
where are we?
inland nexus
where are we?
Still bottom
steep osprey
Looks like Fury isn't updated there
cyan oriole
where is arms colossus on that?
dim basalt
Someone send me this **idk if it's accurate yet**
I doubt Fury ends up lower than before
steep osprey
Yeah its not updated for Fury
haughty rose
are the arms buff on tuesday going to be substantial? im not sure it will be
hexed saddle
Someone send me this **idk if it's accurate yet**
its not
icy magnet
sad ARM, should i go back to my lock then 😮
quaint otter
Someone send me this **idk if it's accurate yet**
i guess its based on vibemath
not actual sims
untold trench
Someone send me this **idk if it's accurate yet**
Fits my narrative, so it is true
lyric hound
Someone send me this **idk if it's accurate yet**
clearly feral druid propaganda
olive nest
Someone send me this **idk if it's accurate yet**
Colossus so bad it didn’t make the cut for display
wary steppe
It’s still using old data?
minor gust
The list isnt accurate just a meme
olive nest
Someone send me this **idk if it's accurate yet**
Also the link I have for Ulria’s is blank so not sure what’s going on there probably wiped because of tuning or something
carmine ginkgo
Where can I find the link to Ulria's spreadsheet?
dim basalt
Where can I find the link to Ulria's spreadsheet?
Might still be a private sheet
sharp wyvern
brewmaster ahead of us
minor gust
Holy the apex was way less impact than I was hoping
My blindness can't tell what you dropped for it mortal wounds?
upper sparrow
Why do we use cleave under 35% health in single target?
fresh spire
2% damage to drop fatal,
fatal does have more room to be useless though on high target swapping fights
shadow ibex
feels over reels
fresh spire
Colossus keeps it though
bleak arrow
fake no cleave build
minor gust
i have bad news
Oof the one I wanted gone the least
I rather lose bloodletting than BL
Idc I'll press rend in execute
dense sphinx
Holy the apex was way less impact than I was hoping
yeah cos we can't even get 5 stacks for each CS
floral ledge
U take only the 15% aura or u add the new apex talent ?
minor gust
yeah cos we can't even get 5 stacks for each CS
No shit it was designed that way on purpose to account for overflow
They know our avg procs
fresh spire
U take only the 15% aura or u add the new apex talent ?
both
fresh spire
Oof the one I wanted gone the least
blood letting too valuable in execute
dense sphinx
most ppl that dont know woulda assumed hey +15% to CS must be good
minor gust
No I assumed we could break 90k on 6-9%
dense sphinx
if its juts avg +9% then its really mid considering opportunity cost
of the talent point
minor gust
Our CS uptime is insanely high
minor gust
Either way the apex change is very welcome and good
sharp wyvern
How do We lost dmg with adding the new apex talent
cause we gave up another passive?
floral ledge
So We not taking it ig
minor gust
Pre apex numbers with th 15% was like 86k
dense sphinx
wait auras dont buff autos?
dense sphinx
what the f
minor gust
It's why over the years they constantly fall behind
hexed parrot
Quick maths
pallid viper
what happened to my [known: Heroic Strike] macro? game now thinks that I know HS even if it is not in the spellbook 😮
stable fiber
Stuff like trinkets aren't buffed either
Autos trinkets, embellishments that do damage
proper moth
any doomers in the chat?
ripe oxide
yee
median canyon
so is it better to cleave on ST
shadow ibex
with a bunch of buffs up
boreal remnant
tawdry bear
I say kill avatar. If CS will be desync from it. It has no need.
Outdated skill anyways.
It is a bad take, but it is my take.
sharp wyvern
its no longer gonna be desynced
tawdry bear
Lame.
minor gust
Lmao my guildie just sent me this
paper summit
Details used to have a plugin named "raid check" when hovered over showed everyone's ilevel in the raid or group. Was that functionality removed in midnight?
median crag
hitting slam/HS in aoe feels so shit
minor gust
Then why are you doing it
minor gust
o7
dire hinge
i love the original one of this so much, this has brought me great joy
minor gust
Sorry I meant 2 targeting
2 target is just ST you just hate slam
median crag
true
radiant lily
are the changes live
plain violet
minor gust
are the changes live
the 15% buff and apex change will be live on reset
weak rain
The last hope is next friday for mythic week tuning
minor gust
Bruh who uses forums for this. The thread is about the awful 12.05 arms/slayer changes
nova marsh
Bruh who uses forums for this. The thread is about the awful 12.05 arms/slayer c...
They dont wonna come here
Cuz we all are here to moan about the slayer changes too
dim basalt
Bruh who uses forums for this. The thread is about the awful 12.05 arms/slayer c...
Average wl player
dim basalt
EU 
nova marsh
you boys NA or EU. If your NA I better see some comments
Na I've accepted arms is a doomed ship
One day, blizzard will too
minor gust
I aint gonna sit down and let them make the worst change they could possibly do
unreal ivy
You could say arms is....axed
nova marsh
The worst change they could make right now
For example
They could remove ms
And make op our big damage button
short oasis
We got a buff?
nova marsh
Or go back to cast time slam 
minor gust
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision/2270878/33
Hop to it my NA soldiers. we make our stand now or all is lost
still by far the 2nd most popular 12.05 thread
its worth a shot
still cove
Jw- as a prot player who has been asked to offspec to fury or arms, i assume arms buffs are not good enough to roll arms over fury? i would prefer arms but dps isnt looking good vs fury
dim basalt
Whats going on in the frost mage thread lol
minor gust
Whats going on in the frost mage thread lol
I aint clicking on that
just a bunch of mages yapping away like no tomorrow
nova marsh
Genuinely is it bad
That I feel like the reap changes goes against their stated goals for hero trees
minor gust
not really if they pull off slayer likes WW and colo likes cleave
but its really hard to pull off WW without it devolving into ww spam
need to bring back SOS WW PLZ
nova marsh
No I mean like
Its harder to keep a spec viable to any degree when one point is completely dead on st fights. And also 2 target as well no?
fresh spire
i think the issues is less that MS has been removed but SD has been removed. they need to keep execute relevant at all aspects in slayer, both st and aoe.
If ww/cleave is tuned for reap and SD still procs it then thats fine.
But losing every reason to press Sudden death in aoe both for damage and CDR is just gone, its not worth using that gcd unless your hardcore rage starving or out of overpower charges
nova marsh
Thats....silly
fresh spire
jedi
nova marsh
i think the issues is less that MS has been removed but SD has been removed. the...
Id be okay if it was just exe
minor gust
i think the issues is less that MS has been removed but SD has been removed. the...
yeah I am less concerned about the other changes. My main anger and frustration is purely focused on the SD change.
fresh spire
Blade storm can also be tuned better with reap removed from ms
minor gust
the other ones have potential for some positive outcomes
dull cosmos
Searching for some hopium here. I know that numbers aren't looking awesome. But with execute damage, burst AoE with BS/Col, and easy, strong cleave - will Arms actually perform fairly OK in the season 1 raid context?
minor gust
Searching for some hopium here. I know that numbers aren't looking awesome. But ...
In raid no its dead. M+ wont be that bad
fresh spire
bad idea, as you would use broad for st with sweep perma up
nova marsh
bad idea, as you would use broad for st with sweep perma up
Easy fix there too: has to hit 2 targets
Same for fury
Like warrior is a cleave class
fresh spire
dont think its a good change, 2 target would scale way too much. like archi said, they need to push slayer strikes to be strong for ST and reap for aoe, not both and vice versa.
the change they have proposed has some flaws around the power of reap in regards that ww can be spammed.
but the main issue is they need to satisfy the requirement to push sudden death in high target content that bladestorm is worth getting back faster
nova marsh
In that case we need a new talent thats shared with reap
minor gust
dont think its a good change, 2 target would scale way too much. like archi said...
Feels like they keep putting their hopes in wanting to get us to press bladestorm more as a reason to consume SD procs in aoe
fresh spire
even then, sometimes you only have 1 stack of executioner which is 5 seconds cdr, 🤷♂️
minor gust
yeah its not like TWW when u can just wait till 3 stacks of MFE
steep osprey
If they make the CDR strong enough, you're gonna wanna press it on AoE
minor gust
not with the way our bladestorm CDR works now
it quickly becomes too much
the easiest solution is just giving SD some sort of aoe
it doesnt have to be reap it can very easily be the DF S3 tier
dim basalt
Slayer in general
Might as well rework colo too
minor gust
seems like they wanna go down the route of Reap = aoe Slayers strike = ST/prio
spring vale
Isnt bladestorm cdr kind of annoying anyway because it gets desyncd from ava and colossus smash too
steep osprey
seems like they wanna go down the route of Reap = aoe Slayers strike = ST/prio
The issue with that is WW becomes too strong and spammy on AoE
nova marsh
Might as well rework colo too
At that point give us the long awaited arms rework
steep osprey
I don't think most people want that
fresh spire
i am of the opnion its time for colossus to get reworked out of bleeds and more into mortal strike changes
dim basalt
At that point give us the long awaited arms rework
True
minor gust
The issue with that is WW becomes too strong and spammy on AoE
thats a different issue
minor gust
i am of the opnion its time for colossus to get reworked out of bleeds and more ...
they have repeatedly nerfed bleeds soo much its prob time to just remove them all together.
Ppl want their "hard hitting abillities"
fresh spire
surely buffed bleeds with mortal wounds in .5
nova marsh
Like genuinely
If bliz cant balance us like this
Then give us a fucking rework
Or they can read my name
minor gust
I would assume DW gets buffed if they go through with removing cleave from mortal wounds
fresh spire
think they need to somewhat balance deep wounds enough that colossus doesn't want to play around execute, but its a super fine line
nova marsh
think they need to somewhat balance deep wounds enough that colossus doesn't wan...
Also would need to be balanced so we hopefully arent tab targeting ms if dw ends up too strong
fresh spire
we would never deep wound tab as they stack
minor gust
^
steep osprey
fresh spire
L
steep osprey
Yeah right
fresh spire
minor gust
minor gust
steep osprey
Why am I still here, I haven't played WoW in a while
steep osprey
I'm playing a little bit of PoE
fresh spire
I'm playing a little bit of PoE
ssf login
fresh spire
Evis bleed glad
minor gust
I never got into POE1 but I enjoy POE2 a lot
eternal edge
Guess I'll continue to spread democracy in Helldivers 2 next season 😬
nova marsh
Guess I'll continue to spread democracy in Helldivers 2 next season 😬
Im tempted to join you thete
So hard to wonna play wow nowdays
minor gust
yeah Its just a lot to learn and pick up. I like kinda learning poe with poe2 as the game gets updates
fresh spire
i hope helldivers gets some nice big updates, the invasion for earth was fun
steep osprey
I used to play PoE2 more because I could understand it better. It's not as convoluted in terms of it's systems. But as soon as I started figuring out more regarding PoE1, I started to enjoy it more.
PoE2 has a lot of issues IMO
eternal edge
Im tempted to join you thete
nova marsh
i hope helldivers gets some nice big updates, the invasion for earth was fun
We just had stan
So well be waiting for a long time
steep osprey
if you enjoy poe 2, you would enjoy poe 1 more
Yeah PoE1 is just a better game
eternal edge
Cyberstan was awesome too
fresh spire
poe2 needs time to age
fresh spire
poe1 got like what, 15 years of content or something now
steep osprey
It's a lot more boring
The endgame is monotonous
Play Mace Warrior in PoE2 and 1
It's light years behind
Mace in PoE2 plays like dogshit
fresh spire
i usually play slams, but they nerfed them this league so went to try something new
steep osprey
Me too but that wasn't the reason I tried something new
I want to try something different
I could have played bleed slams, that one didn't really get nerfed
But I've been playing Slams like 4 leagues in a row
It's gotten boring
I'm playing Shock Nova
of Recession
fresh spire
i still love slams, shits tanky and does big dam
steep osprey
I still haven't gotten it so I'm playing with Firestorm rn
steep osprey
i still love slams, shits tanky and does big dam
That's true
I got the furthest with Slams
T15 I think
I'm kind of new to PoE
So I haven't really played that much
fresh spire
first league i played to learn shit i played EA arrow totems, so your whole goal was to just dodge and let turrets shoot, likely the most fun ive had in any build
fresh spire
learn so much on how bosses work when you dont have to give any shits about your damage and its alwasy just pumping
steep osprey
Oh I got Hinekora's Lock last league lol
minor gust
Whirling Assault aint the same
steep osprey
Whirling Assault aint the same
Yeah it's like a pseudo Whirlwind
The character has to pause every hit
Annoying
rose ibex
Poe2 needs more melee weapons period
minor gust
last POE2 update I played was a Whirling Assault build, It was fun but just not the same as a classic whirlwind
rose ibex
Strength adjacent ones in particular
rose ibex
I always play warrior anyways
rose ibex
Warrior feels like how the game was meant to be played
Its like they made the warrior first then the other classes came in and broke the mold
steep osprey
Well, that's what they all say but everyone else is much faster
rose ibex
Its true
steep osprey
and mobs are so fast you're cooked
steep osprey
Its like they made the warrior first then the other classes came in and broke th...
Yeah I agree
It's obvious that Warrior was designed first
then they kind of pulled back from that philosophy and forgot to update Warrior accordingly lol
@minor gust Watch them add something like Cyclone and make it miserable to keep up
minor gust
From what I hear when people compare POE1 and 2 It wouldnt surprise me
rose ibex
I think warrior will feel much better once swords, axes, and flails get released
And ill admit I ALWAYS play warrior
rose ibex
Hes clunky and slow but its still what I prefer
short oasis
Where does it say that we get a 15% dmg buff?
rose ibex
Warrior just has more problems to solve than other classes
steep osprey
Where does it say that we get a 15% dmg buff?
steep osprey
Warrior just has more problems to solve than other classes
Yeah, especially with life being scarce on the tree
And armour not being as good as other sources of defense like ES
rose ibex
What are some skills associated with Swords in PoE1?
My assumption is steel skills (bullet thingies), cyclone, retaliation skills, lightning strike, frost blades, stuff like that
steep osprey
Blade Flurry
rose ibex
Yesh
short oasis
So we get a 15% dmg buff, but they are still killing slayer in m+?
rose ibex
I think each and every poe2 melee weapon will have some kind of slam
minor gust
So we get a 15% dmg buff, but they are still killing slayer in m+?
any of the slayer stuff is for 12.05 not the next week tuning patch
steep osprey
The latter won't be a thing for a while
rose ibex
I think axes are going to be very slam and strike heavy
rose ibex
Cleave as well
I think they will play with having certain skills cross over to other weapons
short oasis
any of the slayer stuff is for 12.05 not the next week tuning patch
So far been enjoying that build, so shame of knowing its dead in month or two
much more fun than colossus
rose ibex
At least they don't exist in PoE1?
Naw they dont. Flail will be templar starting weapon for sure
Int str
minor gust
So far been enjoying that build, so shame of knowing its dead in month or two
its not set in stone theres time to change things. https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision-arms-feedback/2270878
if you are on NA feel free to drop your thoughts and frustrations here as this is our only chance to get these changes reverted.
steep osprey
Naw they dont. Flail will be templar starting weapon for sure
Yeah that makes sense
rose ibex
Probably active minion playstyles like Dom blow, some slams, holy stuff like smite and holy flame totem
steep osprey
I think they're probably gonna update PoE2 endgame the same way they did PoE1
Instead of towers, you'll have those consumables
floral ledge
fresh spire
I think the atlas from poe1 should merge into poe2. Voidstones cna replace towers for the whole side of the map
floral ledge
I guess if they are also buffing all classe that’s make no sense
halcyon valve
i smell a pink class at the bottom
floral ledge
Its just an indirect nerf of pve content
rose ibex
I think they're probably gonna update PoE2 endgame the same way they did PoE1
Yeah. They'll do something. Maybe even just make the current endgame better. Next patch for poe2 is supposed to focus on it
strange grove
I wish to live in an avatarless world
floral ledge
jovial hare
i want avatar to have some sort of gameplay enhancement instead of damage go bongo (lol)
steep osprey
Yeah. They'll do something. Maybe even just make the current endgame better. Nex...
I remember when the news for the druid league came out and people were so disappointed they didn't do anything about the endgame lol
floral ledge
Less dmg than a tank lets gooo
steep osprey
Didn't BRM get a nerf?
rose ibex
I remember when the news for the druid league came out and people were so disapp...
Yeah. Unfortunate but it is what it is. The community are a bunch of whiners
warped canyon
seeing arms got 15% dmg buff, arms should feel better?
rose ibex
Game is still in alpha
minor gust
seeing arms got 15% dmg buff, arms should feel better?
15% better
short oasis
seeing arms got 15% dmg buff, arms should feel better?
Yes, but knowing we are getting shot in the head in few weeks still hangs up in the air
minor gust
short oasis
Im gonna be so sad knowing slayer m+ is just getting deleted
warped canyon
i see
short oasis
after whole xpac of colossus i wanted to go back to spin, like season 1 was. But blizzard didnt like that
fresh spire
sharp tendon
when i do my sims my warrior pala and lock and arround same il st raid 1 boss 5 min my arms sit at 37021 dps pala at 51254 dps lock afl 50231 dps
with arms buffs arround + - 5 k more still far behind
short oasis
minor gust
short oasis
btw anyone got link to whats currently run for that slayer dungeon build? wanna check if i got the same talents
sharp dust
short oasis
its not set in stone theres time to change things. https://us.forums.blizzard.co...
cuz i saw from this post that Archimtiros uses WW instead of Cleave
minor gust
btw anyone got link to whats currently run for that slayer dungeon build? wanna ...
you can use this
and that was just Archi testing out WW with the changes
short oasis
you can use this
This is the one i been rolling with so far
minor gust
sounds like you already had the build then
olive nest
muted helm
How it feels to log in on arms
warped canyon
How it feels to log in on arms
ayo wtf lol
fleet sinew
does anyone know if battlelord not being in the CDM is a bug/oversight?
steep osprey
I don't think that's an oversight
You can just have MS in your CDM and it will reset the CD and glow up
That's basically Battlelord, you don't have to look at the buff bar
minor gust
does anyone know if battlelord not being in the CDM is a bug/oversight?
you track MS
halcyon valve
cuz i saw from this post that Archimtiros uses WW instead of Cleave
oh god oh fuck oh no my fuckass meme build from prepatch is turning into reality
what have i done
tough tangle
oh god oh fuck oh no my fuckass meme build from prepatch is turning into reality...
so you're too blame
fleet sinew
in the new apl, in execute phase, tracking battlelord matter for deciding between overpower and execute
with these lines:
actions.slayer_execute+=/overpower,if=talent.fierce_followthrough&!buff.battlelord.up&rage<90
actions.slayer_execute+=/execute,if=rage>40|buff.sudden_death.up
actions.slayer_execute+=/overpower
gusty oxide
Do you have a link for this?
fleet sinew
yeah it resets MS but also reduces the cost of MS
fleet sinew
yeah, so it is important to track battlelord then
dim basalt
I mean do these conditions add any dps?
Unless its somewhat significant its not really worth caring
slow saddle
I mean i dno i just read it as press ms if u can?
scenic cedar
with arms buffs arround + - 5 k more still far behind
u forget, retry pala get bufs to.
slow saddle
Battlelord reset = ms csn be presswd
dim basalt
I mean i dno i just read it as press ms if u can?
It isnt but almost
worn knoll
This is single target correct? So in 2nd place demo has 116.8k dps and slayers are at 88.6k? So literally a ~30% gap between us and the 2nd best on the list?
Also seems like the average across DPS classes is roughly hovering around 100k. Are we really ~12% below the average DPS range after the 15% buff kicks in from the 17th???
scenic cedar
Ret is new uhdk
Expansion about paladins. so they must be OP like dk into 3.3.5 or DH in legion kek
fleet sinew
in execute, you only ms with 2 stacks of executioner's precision
so the apl logic is saying if you already have battlelord, try to execute instead
so that you might reach those 2 stacks
slow saddle
Ok so again trackin battelord changes nothin
dim basalt
Do a sim and overwrite the APL with your suggestion and see what happens
If its a very minor gain its not worth adding as it just bloats the APL
Usually there are a lot of different conditions that just get trimmed down towards release
dim basalt
Just because a lot of things are not worth doing or end up as a loss due to player error
Didnt Fury have like 30+ conditions before trimming or so
Because sarri went ham
fleet sinew
Do a sim and overwrite the APL with your suggestion and see what happens
that doesn't solve future problems where blizz leaves out auras from the CDM
I think this is an oversight
there are plenty of auras in the cdm that are equally inconsequential
it just sucks that the CDM doesn't let me pick from any part of my kit
scares me to know these are hand-maintained instead of automated
dim basalt
Totally agree
I dont want to know how its built considering they dont let you enter a custom id
Must be a nightmare
steep osprey
Can't you just put your racial ability on an action bar and enlarge it?
put it close to the middle of your screen?
river ridge
Ew.
steep osprey
under your name frame?
river ridge
Why? They made a perfectly good tool that uses the same spell data base
steep osprey
There's nothing weird about that, I've been doing a lot of that
river ridge
ArcUi has a gross work around I can use
But like, really man how hard is it to put a racial in there
tropic tundra
why does there need to be so much time between pulls and before bosses in all these dungeons, really killin the vibe
river ridge
Just give me my WeakAuras back T-T
steep osprey
Might as well just forget about WAs
scenic cedar
u have weakAuras home
steep osprey
And adapt
steep osprey
Your complaints here don't do anything
river ridge
Weakaura addon was nice for ui shit
Yup. All I want it for
bleak arrow
Only it has a better aoe
and utility
slow saddle
Same same. Sadly ui also means trackin shit. And they want less
bleak arrow
im sure before mythic arms gets a nice rework too
glacial pebble
ahh arms is doomed
reef glade
yea i mean arms isnt doing 90k in an old screenshot
minor gust
arms doesnt even do 90k
reef glade
so it has been new changes just weird arms updated but not fury when both were like blanket identical buffs basically
minor gust
idk where that list got that from
dim basalt
yeah dunno
thick kelp
its missing col arms
spring vale
I miss col arms
minor gust
Blizzard missed col arms
grand yacht
thick kelp
most nerfed classes got compensation buffs ex. lock
minor gust
just be a better player than most of the playerbase!
worldly rivet
ahh arms is doomed
It is a travesty for Ret to ever be that high considering their utility/defensive CDs and ridiculously simple rotation.
cyan moat
ahh arms is doomed
may i ask where that list is from?
spring vale
Bro look at ele shaman it literally spams lightning bolt lol
dim basalt
It is a travesty for Ret to ever be that high considering their utility/defensiv...
Thats almost every spec
unique steppe
It is a travesty for Ret to ever be that high considering their utility/defensiv...
i've been saying this since TWW
worldly rivet
Thats almost every spec
More of a general statement across multiple expansions.
unique steppe
Thats almost every spec
ret is by far the worst offender. it's regard ez mode and that's by design. so new people can pick up the game, play the heckin white knight and just faceroll. i will say though that as a benchmark for how specs should play ret is well designed. why should a spec have a complex rotation if it underperforms compared to one that's so braindead like ret?
unique steppe
There are no complex rotations
there are layers of complexity, you'd know that if you played multiple specs. ret is the exception
worldly rivet
It's kind of hard to mess up on Ret. They bake in a lot of safety nets haha.
dim basalt
there are layers of complexity, you'd know that if you played multiple specs. re...
Ah, because you know what I play
unique steppe
arms requiring you to be in melee range to do 100% of your rotation for example. in TWW ret let you do something like 80% of your rotation from range
worldly rivet
Like a talent automatically casting Avenging Wrath with Wake of Ashes.
unique steppe
Like a talent automatically casting Avenging Wrath with Wake of Ashes.
i was about to say this one
worldly rivet
Gaining holy power through passive AAs.
unique steppe
ret automates a good chunk of your rotation to smooth things
name me something, anything in the ret playstyle that has the awkward and unecessary GCD when you press sweeping strikes
unique steppe
Ah, because you know what I play <:okayge:917646812519739433>
i know you are just being contrarian at this point
wary steppe
Are these metrics with new buffs ?
dim basalt
Theres just no complexity in this game and there hasnt been in a while with the exception of Conduit WW last season
unique steppe
Theres just no complexity in this game and there hasnt been in a while with the ...
like i said, you are being contrarian. there are layers of complexity, no rotation is inherently complex
such as, lining up cooldowns
ret automates this, like 904gators said
mortal rivet
Even fury and arms you have decisions; ret you just hit what’s available since your generators have a cd
worldly rivet
Theres just no complexity in this game and there hasnt been in a while with the ...
Some specs are punished hard for messing up their cool downs.
dim basalt
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dim basalt
And most of the time theres no reason to mess them up
mortal rivet
sin back in DF was like that
worldly rivet
Fire mage doesn't exist off CD. Outlaw gets punished for poor RtB tracking and CP wastage.
mortal rivet
If you fucked your CDs you just did nothing
worldly rivet
Ret doesn't get punished for anything.
dim basalt
I mean if your damage pattern depends on your cds and you fuck it up thats really not a layer of complexity, is it?
Thats just not knowing your spec well
unique steppe
Fire mage doesn't exist off CD. Outlaw gets punished for poor RtB tracking and C...
i felt this way playing Fury in TWW. mind you I quit and havent played midnight yet, im still waiting to see what happens with warrior. but outside of my long ass CD's i did nothing
unique steppe
Ret doesn't get punished for anything.
it doesnt get punished for not lining up cd's because its automated for you, it doesnt punish you for not being in melee since you can do a lot of your rotation from range, and you even have a cheat death with the free wog or fol when you are gonna die. although that might be gone, its been a while since i played
dim basalt
Cheat death doesnt exist anymore iirc
unique steppe
I mean if your damage pattern depends on your cds and you fuck it up thats reall...
how is that not a layer of complexity?
dim basalt
I believe only ppal has that now
mortal rivet
Ret doesn't get punished for anything.
Bad rets don’t use their utility
dim basalt
how is that not a layer of complexity?
Because in that given case you dont know the absolute basics of your spec
If youre entirely useless outside of cds and you cant execute that one short window well theres not much to say
And in pretty much every case its not hard to execute
unique steppe
Because in that given case you dont know the absolute basics of your spec
thats a level of complexity mate
ret automates it, other specs dont
you've just proved my point
mortal rivet
If youre entirely useless outside of cds and you cant execute that one short win...
Most CDs aren’t just you push the button
dim basalt
If you wanna consider it a layer of complexity then you do you, I dont
unique steppe
yeah you need to time everything for certain packs, bosses etc. ret is just "go" all the time. no planning needed
unique steppe
If you wanna consider it a layer of complexity then you do you, I dont
i feel like we all do, except you lol
mortal rivet
I’ll be honest I’m not sure if you’re arguing ret is simple or everything is simple
dim basalt
Everything is simple
unique steppe
I’ll be honest I’m not sure if you’re arguing ret is simple or everything is sim...
hes just that good at the game that everything is so ez
dim basalt
Theres absolutely nothing you cant build muscle memory for
mortal rivet
Everything is simple yes but some things are more simple than others
unique steppe
Theres absolutely nothing you cant build muscle memory for
ret doesnt need that muscle memory. other specs do
maiden moat
someone has a link to that doc with dps ?
dim basalt
ret doesnt need that muscle memory. other specs do
But even classes with dynamic cds are pretty much the same at some point?
worldly rivet
He's acting like we are all automatons. Sometimes things are out of your control like other party members not doing mechanics or the healer losing focus. Some classes are punished hard for not having perfect rotations.
obsidian otter
someone has a link to that doc with dps ?
This?
mortal rivet
But even classes with dynamic cds are pretty much the same at some point?
Not really. Like look at fury right now. Your priority of moves changes based on rage, cd resets, and if you’re in cooldown. Is it hard? No. But it’s not a “hit whatever’s available” that ret has been
unique steppe
But even classes with dynamic cds are pretty much the same at some point?
yeah some are. you still have to time them for certain packs or boss timings
thats a layer of complexity because you need to plan ahead
dim basalt
That very heavily depends on the context
In a high key or mythic raid you will always end up doing the same
dim basalt
In a perfect world specs who need to work harder get compensated with higher damage but its just unrealistic
I couldnt care less about rets being good, I dont think they will see a lot of use
And they have a bad rep anyway lmao
mortal rivet
I don’t think they should have less damage cause they’re simple
steep osprey
I agree
mortal rivet
I just don’t want them to think that they’re playing anything less than an easier class
steep osprey
I've always thought it was a weird opinion
Just because a spec is easy to play doesn't mean they can't be really strong
dim basalt
It doesnt matter that you bring a ret because of good damage when they dont use their utility well
mortal rivet
^^^
dim basalt
And thats the biggest issue with rets, 1/10 rets is good
steep osprey
Isn't that the case for all classes
dim basalt
Being good at ret is still somewhat hard
mortal rivet
You don’t know what you’re going to get when you invite a Ret
dim basalt
If you wanna use all of their kit
mortal rivet
Isn't that the case for all classes
Yes but most kits aren’t as expansive
steep osprey
That's true
mortal rivet
The ceiling is much higher
dim basalt
Ret is the dps with the most externals I think
steep osprey
Ret has a lot of different abilities they can use for the team
dim basalt
I hope we get some good use of Interpose 
obsidian otter
If you wanna be the best pug dps you can be ret is prolly best bet. Has aoe interupt stuns aoe damage loh that can save a tank or healer bop for healer if they agro or a dps freedom for roots/slows a damage wide mitigation has easy rotation that isn’t to complex and cooldowns to manage and can save itself on hectic pulls. Prolly has the most utility that actually can help groups that struggle. Prolly why so many play it
Just most don’t use them 😆
unique steppe
flint cedar
Does lay on hands actually REMOVE the axe embedded in the Rets skull or do they just run around healthy with an axe embedded in their skull?
unique steppe
Does lay on hands actually REMOVE the axe embedded in the Rets skull or do they ...
their skulls are too thick for them to care tbh
or even notice
topaz condor
Hey, I heard about a macro for heroic strike, used when you press mortal strike ? Do s1 knows ?
eternal edge
both are on GCD so it's a castsequence?
rare kite
it's a replacement effect. it doesn't actually press both ms and hs
worn knoll
Hey, I heard about a macro for heroic strike, used when you press mortal strike ...
/cast [known:Heroic Strike]Heroic Strike; Mortal Strike
lyric hound
tfw this guy got a huge buff and we didnt
topaz condor
it's a replacement effect. it doesn't actually press both ms and hs
so it's a bit underwhelming, i mean, we can press 2 different buttons, right ?
topaz condor
/cast [known:Heroic Strike]Heroic Strike; Mortal Strike
ty
rare kite
so it's a bit underwhelming, i mean, we can press 2 different buttons, right ?
yeah i don't really get the point of it
tawdry quail
sweet tangle
Arms could really use another 10-15% aura buff. would put us around 101-102k dps which is still lower middle of the pack but at leasts its in the pack and not sitting at the bottom. most likely wont happen though
granite swift
look at this guy wanting to be a mid dps spec
i have never seen any other class disc consistently asking to be average dps over the years 🤣 , arms family really is traumatized
stable fiber
Arms could really use another 10-15% aura buff. would put us around 101-102k dps...
its funny cause i said this
"a 100% damage buff wouldnt even make us better then unholy dk rn"
or smth along the lines of this
also rets hiding sims now
xdd
minor gust
also rets hiding sims now
They cant help themselves its in their nature to be cringe
stable fiber
They cant help themselves its in their nature to be cringe
they somehow beat balance druids and dks as the biggest babies
nova marsh
so wait
stable fiber
dks crying for a raid buff when you have grip was the most insane thing of all time btw
nova marsh
dks crying for a raid buff when you have grip was the most insane thing of all t...
Sigh i'm not even gonna touch this one
besides
Leeme ask you
stable fiber
grip unironically a bigger raid dps increase > any other raid buff
nova marsh
name a fight from evrey tier where grip is mandatory. Not nice to have, MANDATORY
Start from legion at least
granite swift
We don't *want* to be better then UDK
nova marsh
Also, I'm not counting abom limp
nova marsh
https://giphy.com/gifs/netflix-umbrella-academy-hargreeves-4-0jcykMmNldeJcqJzW1
You really want all the cringe fomos here?
worldly rivet
I'm still trying to understand where all the damage for Wildstalker is coming from
stable fiber
also dks just like always top dps and complain
worldly rivet
Rip is getting a huge buff. I know they buffed the crap out of swipe to be hard hitting
granite swift
You really want all the cringe fomos here?
its my 11th expansion and im jaded, honestly dont care anymore, make me gigabusted 🤝
stable fiber
name a fight from evrey tier where grip is *mandatory*. Not nice to have, **MAND...
xdd
rare kite
in comes dimensius
rare kite
good luck doing dimensius without grip
stable fiber
i dont hear warlocks complaining about gate
nova marsh
i dont hear warlocks complaining about gate
Because warlocks have 50,0000000 other complaints to make
and I can't think of a situation where gate isn't useful
stable fiber
i mean its crazy cope
nova marsh
just like warr utility
smoky kayak
I'm sure someone already leaked it, but here's a preview of the new Arms Apex
#updates-midnight message
stable fiber
dks are invincible, mobile as fuck, amz is a broken raid defensive, ams is a broken self defensive, they are typically the highest dps spec, but yo we also need a raid buff (we have death grip)
stable fiber
have u not played one
nova marsh
Sure, if you play rider
nova marsh
That's cope
nova marsh
I'm sorry I play with DA all the time
stable fiber
LOL
thorn stream
I'm sure *someone* already leaked it, but here's a preview of the new Arms Apex
...
Thank you
Although I’ll miss battlelord just a tad
rustic creek
the only good part of DA is slows can eat a dick
because yeeting knockbacks sucks
you're an unreliable narrator and have been for years lmao
nova marsh
...
the fuck
Okay dude
I am saying
that I don't like DK mobility or think it's that good
stable fiber
good thing you dont really need DA anymore
nova marsh
if ur UDK
rustic creek
you know what you're signing up for when you select red class
steep osprey
Frost DK doesn't exist I guess
steep osprey
Yeah, Riders is good but it's not that mobile either
nova marsh
Idk maybe cuz it's just....going from shaman where you can screw off in 2 seconds flat vs dk feels bad
nova marsh
I miss ghost wolf. Might bring enhance back
rustic creek
I'd rather play warrior than dk
I'd rather drink water than eat a cracker when I'm thirsty
steep osprey
Idk maybe cuz it's just....going from *shaman* where you can screw off in 2 seco...
Speaking of DK mobility
Wraith Walk is horrendous
Honestly I think DA should just be Rider's Charger baseline
I don't dare if it's part of the hero talent
nova marsh
I wouldn't even like it that much if was tbh
Mobility wise yes I'd rather play literally anything else
Even outlaw feels better
steep osprey
It works better since it parallels paladins MS ability
steep osprey
Even outlaw feels better
What do you mean even outlaw lol
Outlaw is very fucking mobile
nova marsh
yeah but if you use both hooks you can get SOL
thorn stream
If you missuse your hooks plus sprint that’s on you
stable fiber
Mobility wise yes I'd rather play literally anything else
priest yo
feather is lowkey 30% for 3 seconds
on a 30 second cd
steep osprey
It's more than that
steep osprey
It's 40 or 60
nova marsh
rarely but can happen
nova marsh
it's also a caster
stable fiber
think the only other movement speed they have is spriests 3m defensive
or w/e it is
steep osprey
Dispersion is not 3 mins but yeah
stable fiber
that you also unironically cant cast in
stable fiber
pvp spell
stable fiber
its my 3rd alt for splits and that class is some ass
my warrior dk and mage all felt pretty fine while lvling, the mage instakilled everything so i never had to worry about getting meleed and then the dk and warrior couldnt die, but my priest
stable fiber
i died atleast like once every lvl trying to pull big
also
flash heal deadass heals you for 5% of your health bar
like
???
it takes your whole mana bar to heal yourself to full hp
hollow wave
Arms is doomed, back to prot
rustic creek
it takes your whole mana bar to heal yourself to full hp
they yeeted all the hybrids healing tbh
ret healing is LMAO too
stable fiber
the button that does damage to healing conversion still seems good though
it pretty much kept me 100% hp when i used it
rustic creek
FoL may as well not exist
stable fiber
long cd however
timid elk
Which mage spec did you level? Frost?
warped solstice
Frost feels the best for leveling cuz you get your Glacial Spike really fast when not in combat.
Can absolutely delete stuff.
stable fiber
Which mage spec did you level? Frost?
arcane
arcane blast does way too much damage
stay 4 charges pretty much on every mob, only use barrage if u have ball charges + proc, use cds on big packs or tanky mobs
i only know how to play arcane, coolest spec for me
limber dirge
They're all good. You just 1-2 shot every mob with frost as well.
warped solstice
Arcane was for sure second best. But Frost with a FoF proc can sometimes literally one shot quest mobs with a Glacial Spike + Ice Lance.
Two shot, I guess. But they go out at the same time.
stable fiber
they lowkey gutted arcane
warped solstice
Arcane still feels pretty good when you clearcast triple arcane orb.
Frost feels better IMO.
proper moth
Devoker is actually juiced
idk if we have sims for arms in AoE
but DH threw theres up
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5vkTHakB7FydPpmrfxnVXg felscarred in AoE
I feel like arms can push these kinda of numbers
stable fiber
it does
warped solstice
400k can't be right, can it?
stable fiber
colossus beats the bottom one
proper moth
look at the sim there a 1.2m spike lol
stable fiber
idk about the top
warped solstice
Damn, we gonna be doing millions by the end of the xpac again. 🤦♂️
proper moth
this is full buffs hero pots flasks bis gear guys
stable fiber
ofc
proper moth
all dps DH specs are about 1-2% from each other in ST
amazing balance there idk wtf happened to warrior
proper moth
not sure what voidboi is pushing
limber dirge
Starting sending polaroid pics of yourself looking depressed to blizzard headquarters via snail mail.
proper moth
lol
lastest sims
feral will get the nerf bat blizzard will never allow it to be #1
proper moth
gotta beat the pug hell is the problem
stable fiber
you wont
the spec wont be good just because it does really good in a 5t aoe sim
even though in actuality it actually does pretty good in most dungeons this tier, the issue is infact it does 0 boss damage
proper moth
yeahhh
stable fiber
you fix the boss damage issue and the spec will be relevant almost gurateed imo
as long as they leave the aoe untouched
the issue is it might not fit into the meta comp which is mostly int based
but it all kinda depends on tuning
(it most certainly doesnt fit into the meta comp rn)
fossil magnet
where can you find M+ of that
stable fiber
where can you find M+ of that
doesnt exist
this sheet has old warrior numbers though
and both specs went up quite a bit
colossus 5t is up id guess ~17-19 %
close to 370k or so
these where a bit ago though so something else could have changed in the sim
pallid viper
lastest sims
are these sims for current state or next week tuning?
proper moth
are these sims for current state or next week tuning?
yes cause DK isnt at 145k
stable fiber
are these sims for current state or next week tuning?
they are supposed to be next weeks tuning
some stuff still being tweaked though
limber dirge
I mean they could just do lazy bandaid tuning until they figure out what to do long term. Just make MS and CS hit harder when they only effect one target, or anything similar.
stable fiber
give it a day or 2
timid elk
Buff the hell out of MS. Make it great again
pallid viper
so we are still bottom tier :/ surely arms will be A tier with m+ release tuning
last saddle
limber dirge
All I know is I really don't want to run fury with the reduction to rts. Nobody wants to spam whirlwind for fun.
olive nest
minor gust
All I know is I really don't want to run fury with the reduction to rts. Nobody ...
thats not for another 2-3 months
limber dirge
Unless it gets changed that doesn't really make me feel better.
minor gust
well if it upsets you do something with those feelings and post em on this threadhttps://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision-arms-feedback/2270878
bleak arrow
arms isn't dead boys, i was at the airport and saw someone that had a full on arms warrior decorated truck, it was fucking awesome!
stoic oyster
demolish is not working as intended.. supposed to be "8 yard around your target" this is not at all how its working right now ive been testing it
its a cone like in TWW, tooltip is wrong
umbral badger
someone posted this and tagged me in my guild xd
i say it should be "until next balance update"
bleak arrow
i don't know why they're nerfing unholy
unkempt wren
Why did you link a log of Boss Healing Done?
bleak arrow
unfortunately that was overall key damage, not healing
tawdry quail
I been playing survival hunter and guardian Druid lately. They both have an ability/skill that does a shit ton of dmg and feels so good to press.
For survival it’s (taken down), that ability has like around 1k atk power scaling, yes it’s a cooldown but it’s a hefty feeling button to press.
For guardian Druid, it’s (raze), when u press that button u just see ur dmg shoot up in an instant, the feed back the sound, all of it feels hefty.
I’ve always said that I play arms because I prefer the slow and methodical play-style where I don’t spam buttons but each press feels heavy and hits hard, but I’ve come to realise now that’s not at all the case anymore. Mortal strike doesn’t feel like it used to. Execute doesn’t either. The only ability that still feels good to press is bladestorm. Colossus smash is cool too but it’s more of a set up ability to allow the other ¿heavy hitting? skills to do even more dmg. Demolish was something I looked forward to so much when I first heard about it but the class itself just doesn’t work with it rn, with the desyncs and all, ain’t fun after the first rotation
stable fiber
I been playing survival hunter and guardian Druid lately. They both have an abil...
arms has been spammy for awhile now
bleak arrow
was gonna say, arms isn't really slow, like, its slower than fury, but not slow
although, i guess if you intentionally went 0 haste, it would kinda be slow
stable fiber
it still did hit pretty hard though in past seasons
pallid viper
arms needs haste because of stupid AM - move it to prot tree, we are slow bois
stable fiber
its just you used gcds to build up to a bigger MS, s2 tww for example
minor gust
really just due to tuning
stable fiber
now ms barely beats overpower in anything and loses to it in a lot of content
minor gust
the never ending cycle
jolly plover
Guy says Bladestorm is fun to press lol
rare kite
maybe he meant for fury. very fun button for fury
fading isle
arms needs haste because of stupid AM - move it to prot tree, we are slow bois <...
arms needs about 30% haste to be playable
sour hare
minor gust
read what rend does
modest marlin
heroic strike feels fun to press
umbral badger
was gonna say, arms isn't really slow, like, its slower than fury, but not slow
i mean ppl who play colossus feel like arms is "less spammy" than slayer, whichi s why many ppl prefer colossus.
that said arms is nowhere near spammy as fury is
scarlet totem
can you share the link to this sheet?
scarlet totem
tyvm 🙂
smoky kayak
demolish is not working as intended.. supposed to be "8 yard around your target"...
it's been that way since the ability was released; always said "around your target" even though it's not
proper moth
can you share the link to this sheet?
only had the screens from DH disc
thick kelp
demolish is not working as intended.. supposed to be "8 yard around your target"...
how demolish works @minor gust
boreal quartz
40 40 10 10
low elk
huh does it also hit in an area behind you?
where is the player, the mortal strike icon or the circle behind it
why not use colossus smash icon
stop confusing me
thick kelp
where is the player, the mortal strike icon or the circle behind it
the mortal strike is the player
yk arms icon
low elk
so it also hits behind you?
thick kelp
yeah
quiet bramble
what's the opener for slayer? i only see colossus
frail lodge
hey guys, am i the only soul here being completely declined from every group content for playing arm warrior in midnight?
I mean i even get kicked in normal dungeons ...
before even starting the dung
boreal quartz
hey guys, am i the only soul here being completely declined from every group con...
What race are you
sudden fox
Funny you say that, someone asked me if I was arms last night. I said no, then they told me to play it
The duality of man
dense sphinx
what a sweet dream you had
sudden fox
It was reality not a dream
warped solstice
Who asks someone else to change spec in a group? That's weird behavior TBH.
Unless it's like "you're the tank dummy".
hoary palm
Unpopular take but being a little rage starved is a good thing. We should have to manage rage
Provided our abilities are impactful
outer wolf
you guys are finding groups?
fossil lynx
I got insta accepted in every m0 group I tried to join. I don't know where you all find picky people in pre season
fossil thistle
fresh spire
latent moss
gg slayer
fresh spire
Cya yeet
slow saddle
I got insta accepted in every m0 group I tried to join. I don't know where you a...
Week 1 when i was 198🤣
daring heron
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1481991857369255996/GI...
perfect
tropic crest
https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/MID1_Raid.html
still no war dps
fresh spire
Profiles was pushed early today, so they should appear on next sync
thick hamlet
https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/MID1_Raid.html
still no war dps
can't seem to find ret paladins in any of those sims for some reason
stuck yacht
jade ember
Lowkey if we get a targeted ST buff we could be real again. Or that rework huehue.
sudden topaz
Profiles was pushed early today, so they should appear on next sync
how often is it synced
plucky fern
can you guys believe unholy players are crying calling a spec dead
'oh no my op class went from doing 150k st to 120k st its over'
meanwhile arms still not beating brew
vital mulch
Ye they acting like it's now unplayable 😄
sudden topaz
is it safe to say we arent taking piercing howl anymore?
steep osprey
I guess Intimidating Shout is the play now
sudden topaz
oh i was thinking fearless, not sure tbh
plucky fern
is it safe to say we arent taking piercing howl anymore?
i guess, i wasnt excited about this spell even before the nerf
sudden topaz
yeah it had potential, but they just never made it good enough
fossil thistle
https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/MID1_Raid.html
still no war dps
88.6k sim iirc
fossil thistle
is it safe to say we arent taking piercing howl anymore?
Can take whatever you want really, I’ll still maybe use piercing how for movement in raid on the occasion 🤷♂️
Hopefully it’s one of those floater free points
dull cosmos
Relative to Roar/Windrush, Howl numbers always looked pretty lacking since they announced it
flint cedar
https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/MID1_Raid.html
still no war dps
They are there my friend. The page just can't go that far down 😛
thick hamlet
https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/MID1_Raid.html
still no war dps
you're not saying that slayer arms sims less dps than brewmaster monk are you
surely
outer wolf
they said the site will break if they put in negative values, they will need some more time to figure it out
thick hamlet
no i'm serious, there's no way arms sims less on ST than brew after the buffs
mayeb the brew sims are wrong
dim basalt
mayeb the brew sims are wrong
Except theyre not
umbral badger
i don't even have the motivation or urge to log into wow and get my free prey gear 🤣
blizzard scarred us for life
proper moth
Got some bad news
faint tree
more scars than a demon hunter
slender sonnet
