arms

[umbral badger]

yes, for me i prefer TWW version but this is still fun

[old glacier]

That's good to know.

[umbral badger]

i did like the mortalstrikes from ravager thing for demo reseting so i am sad it's gone :p

but also i think using 4-5 cleaves in a row is kinda brain dead as a concept

[zealous flume]

how far off is arms now of being a real boy? another 10%?

[tight wing]

Ish closer to 20 though

[zealous flume]

lmao

[umbral badger]

i'd say 10% will make us find a spot in the meta "maybe not THE META" , but will not remove the stigma.

[tight wing]

10% is about 103k so we’d be mid at least

Maybe 106

[umbral badger]

wait , how ? we won't be anywhere near that ?

we were 67k , no ?

[tight wing]

With the sim bugs

[umbral badger]

ahh so where were we with actual sims then :p

[tight wing]

We like 97k w/o them iirc

After buff

[umbral badger]

beofre

74k ?

[tight wing]

Before like 74 yeah

[umbral badger]

yea so even if you add 20% on top of that

then anotehr 10% on top of both

we won't hit 100k

97.7

[tight wing]

10% of 97k is 9.7k 9.7k+ 97k would be 106(ish)k no?

[umbral badger]

again

74k + 20% is 88.8

if we add 10% then that's 97k

[slow saddle]

So gap is still there

We closed gap to fury by 5%?

[umbral badger]

if we assume we are at 97k now we are assuming we got much more than 20% before @tight wing

[slow saddle]

Mby 7%/8

[tight wing]

About

[slow saddle]

We arent close to 100k yet

Its depressin

But we got more coomin

[tight wing]

That’s just what I remember fishy saying

[steep osprey]

No, that's wrong. It was like 74

[umbral badger]

ty ty

[umbral badger]

well, if it was 74k i don't see how it is 97k all of a suddne cuz that would assume we got 33% buff

whichi s nowhere near

[sharp wyvern]

i think we hit 90k but not much above that

[thorn stream]

24th tuning notes waiting room

[sharp wyvern]

realy depends on how well the new apex increases tier set value

[thorn stream]

Oh true it has synergy

[umbral badger]

crazy how we are talking about 30% buff and how it's not enough nowadays, we got programmed hard sa warriors xd

[sharp wyvern]

its not 30%

not even close

[umbral badger]

yes yes

ppl were saying "how much more"

[slow saddle]

67 was col

[umbral badger]

and so i am like " so we gto 20% and ppl are assuming 10-20% more"

[sharp wyvern]

more like like 17-19% ?

[umbral badger]

and i am like "crazy how we were programmed to accept being that much weaker" lol

[sharp wyvern]

cause fury exists

[slow saddle]

Ikr

[sharp wyvern]

and fury is more popular

[slow saddle]

Fury was 2 weak so 10%🤣

[sharp wyvern]

its as simple as that

[slow saddle]

Usually fury and arms are pretty close

Fury usually wins from the flex it has

[plain latch]

isnt that a fallacy fury might only be popular since its better

[sharp wyvern]

last time that was the case was S1 TWW

[slow saddle]

Bo

No

[sharp wyvern]

you could argue S2

[slow saddle]

Season 3

[sharp cloud]

Twice the weapons, double the fun

[umbral badger]

@sharp wyvern it would be funny if i sneak into a mage discord and find them talking about 5% or 7% buffs / nerfs i'd be like "oh, how lucky are you"

[sharp wyvern]

and mages were dooming before this patch

[slow saddle]

St dmg was pretty close arms and fury

[umbral badger]

brother i swear i had mage friends who would doom hard if they are 2% lower than top

mages are spoiled

[slow saddle]

Ikr

[shy dagger]

s2 of shadowlands arms was tier S and fury was still played more

[slow saddle]

Yup

[sharp wyvern]

lets not make the argument that arms was fine cacuse collosus was able to pad on some bosses

[slow saddle]

In pure st

The were equal emough

[umbral badger]

only boss where colossus was ACTUALLY fine in last raid was the 3 boss fight

[slow saddle]

Difference came in profile for fights fury being vastly bettet

[olive nest]

I wonder what color crayon the dev eats before balancing

[slow saddle]

Not brown🤣

Pink or blue

[olive nest]

Read my mind lmao

[slow saddle]

Id say

[umbral badger]

@sharp wyvern needless to say, with sweeping strikes we should not be "just fine" on 3 targets boss fight. it's crazy that that's the case.

[slow saddle]

And atm fury has a waaaaay better dmg profile in raid spec than srms

Arms had 1 chance that is dreadnaught being to good

[sharp wyvern]

i think they made it very clear they dont want that

[slow saddle]

Ofc

But thats how arms competes

[umbral badger]

i wonder if they made the class baseline much stronger overall but they made sweeping 2 targets more talents based, if that would solve the delima of being too strong on 2 targets if we are good on ST

[slow saddle]

When bladestorm cant be hugw arms aoe only

[slow saddle]

Sweep allready 2 talwnts

And irrelsvant

[umbral badger]

yes and it still feels like the reason they can't balance us right

lol

[slow saddle]

Nop

[sharp wyvern]

i think with the sweeping strikes change arms will never be decent on a raid tier that has a 2T cleave boss or add cleave fight

[slow saddle]

Thats the easiest %

[sharp wyvern]

you´d end up with a bandit situation shadowpriest had

[slow saddle]

Yup

[faint tree]

sweeping strikes in a world where blade flurry exists and is just the strictly better version of it is a vibe

[slow saddle]

But add dreadnaughr dmg steal from cleave

Cleave is 2 strong

[umbral badger]

dunno the way i see it if arms was simming 100k dps now, sweeping strikes will make you more than doub'e "cuz of cleave stacks and cleave power on 2 targets"

then you'd end up doing double dmg of everything else

so i can see sweeping strikes as a balance nightmare

[thorn stream]

And how many 2t fights are there ?

[faint tree]

I feel like that's an easy fix - cut the % on SS

[thorn stream]

a niche is a niche

[thorn stream]

Also that

[umbral badger]

that's what i've been saying, i'd rather a shitty SS than a SS that ruins my balance

[sharp wyvern]

1 maybe 2 with some adds

also nieches get nerfed all the time especially if your arms

they didnt want arms to be an execute nieche spec in undermine

[thorn stream]

Fair point

[sharp wyvern]

same thing with priest
they know there are some multidot bosses

thats why priest is tuned this bad aswell

[thorn stream]

My take was - I wouldn’t make arms busted for the whole season if it is god on 1-2 fights

[sharp wyvern]

they always want nieches but then nerf them the week rwf is done

[umbral badger]

least case they can make it so that slayer is more generic ST AND colossus is more 2 target based or some shit

[faint tree]

arms has single target?

[umbral badger]

it's a dream

just a dream

[faint tree]

is life

[sturdy flicker]

So still not enough of buff that the consensus lol

[olive nest]

Yeah cluegi tuning crayon eating window taster

Let’s give the 74k spec 11k and call that balance

Sprinkle a apex on for a few more K

[tall socket]

Small question now that we're talking about cleave.

I noticed that when it hits 3 or more targets it does a second strike, but also some times the second strike does the Execute animation. What triggers that difference?

[halcyon valve]

fervor of battle

extra slam / heroic strike (given a proc for it that replaces slam)

[loud surge]

Buff in comming do you think arms better than fury ! I wish !

[full furnace]

lmao

[opaque oar]

Sorry if it was already asked, but does the 2 sec reduction on colossus smash still exists after the apex change ?

[weak rain]

when is next tunning?

before myth reset, right?

[topaz python]

i bet no

[opaque oar]

They dont write on notes when they remove effects ?

[topaz python]

they should've wrote that but for some reason desided to not mention it

i'm pretty much sure if they keep 2 sec reduction that would fix nothing

[olive nest]

It reads like the talent was reworked

[topaz python]

yup

[olive nest]

If they added that on top of the cdr it still might not be picked because of it desyncing from other cds

[hushed pine]

At this point just take it even if it has the cdr because we'll have the desync regardless

[topaz python]

which desync you're talking about?

[jolly pier]

any arms sims with the changes?

[topaz python]

multiply your sim by 18%~
that's your result

[untold trench]

Actually harder math than for Fury arms clearly the superior spec

[weak rain]

you are going to play fury in the raid again and you gonna luv it

[tawdry bear]

Why nerf piercing howl? It is such a weak speed buff...

If they dont drop the cooldown reduction from the 4th tier hero talent, I may just drop avatar.

[thorn stream]

Watch me play arms anyway

[dense sphinx]

they wrote X is now Y = its replaced

[dire dust]

Its totally dead now, id rather they just kept it like it was before midnight. 70% slow on 30 secs cd, no speed buff. It was useful in pvp, now its totally dead

[olive nest]

I mean they really were concerned with the speed boost??

[tawdry bear]

They are comparing it to something like stampeeding roar. Which is a 60% speed boost on a 1.5 cooldown.

They said for similar effects, it's cooldown is too short.

[dire dust]

And it was hardly noticeable

[tawdry bear]

Gg prot warrior kiting.

Back to the spear.

[tawdry bear]

I will also be loyal to arms in raid.

[thorn stream]

24th still coming for another round of buffs
Only then the real content starts anyway

So might as well have fun until then

[weak rain]

expecting another 15-30%? xD

[steep osprey]

10% at the least

[dire dust]

Im gonna play around with it on m0s when the patch drops on reset, see whats up.

[ebon tendon]

you cant just assume buffs xD

[steep osprey]

EIther we'll get buffs or we won't

[thorn stream]

I can and I do

[ebon tendon]

cant wait to wake up one day late next week to a 40% aura nerf

[haughty ore]

What’s yalls thoughts on arms tuning

[thick kelp]

positive

[safe island]

if arms warrior was just erased like it never existed and wiped from everyone’s memory, everyone would probably be happier

[hushed pine]

Not enough. And the more I think about that Piercing Howl nerf, the more I get mad

[sturdy root]

too little too late imo, 15% damage buff and then give fury a 10% buff also

[hushed pine]

[nova marsh]

I mean it dosent matter

This season was bound to be a shitshow anyway with how much blizz wanted to change

[steep citrus]

i would do this but id get sat on the bench lmao

[sharp tendon]

If you go play arms you know u wont get inv for m+ if you dont make ur own group

[steep citrus]

yeah but i have a guild thats required to take me so its all good !

[glossy shell]

U absolutely right. As soon as they see u arms u kicked out of group🥲

[sharp tendon]

Just going play arms as alt for season 1 and hope for some good for season 2

[tranquil oar]

In last expansion of wow ( season 3) I got invited to groups problem was i had to search for minimum of 20 minutes to an hour

[dense sphinx]

insufficient

[candid pecan]

another buff and we okay

[hushed pine]

It's gonna be another expansion where it takes 2 to 3 patches for it to be good

[thick hamlet]

implying arms ended up good last expansion

[full hornet]

no skullspliter crutch for season 1 rage generation I think is hurting us a lot as well. I think our roation would smooth out a lot if they made heroic strike cost 0 rage

[gaunt owl]

dont worry its scaling

[gentle gyro]

what?

when?

[spring vale]

Why does Heroic Strike even cost rage? Surely they can make it interact with overpower resets even with a 0 rage cost

[candid pecan]

once I get 4 set I will definitely try colossus arms in keys, 15% buff to cleave (well to everything), enemies will take 41-44% more dmg inside CS window and will extend CS

oh they're removing deep wounds from cleave in 12.0.5 I just remembered, now I'm sad again...

[stuck geyser]

this actually begs the question: why doesn’t heroic strike replace overpower instead of slam

[night niche]

would be nice if the balance team had an arms player among them and not just paladins

[white raft]

Arms still gonna be dog shit after these changes?

[gentle gyro]

yes

[white raft]

Thought so

Figured even if was bigga buffed ST, with how most of the fights go changes to deep wounds with cleave are probably very bad

[dense sphinx]

we get less heroic strikes in keys

so apex 4th point really meh

[steep citrus]

now i do get how bad arms is currently, its been my main for over 10 years now, however its really only a single target problem is it not? i mean until 12.0.5 itll be decent in aoe and 2 target cleave....granted most bosses are not that lmao

[daring heron]

colarms should do more aoe than thane fury afaik after these buffs

ST still bad of course

[dense sphinx]

the aoe will actually be funny and close to S tier

[daring heron]

don't think the ST loss will ever be worth it over thane fury

[dense sphinx]

just that the ST is abysmallllllllll

[candid pecan]

the 41-44% is from 2-3 stacks of Apex per CS cast, i think its worth with the high uptime on CS

[dense sphinx]

gonna make my tank pull packs into boss always i guess

[lyric hound]

colarms felt competitive to me in aoe at 243 on live, but yeah st is dog shit

[hushed pine]

I'm not talking about warrior

[daring heron]

yeah my experience with that is that you actually do more ST when you have stuff to aoe lmao

fervor does a lot of heavy lifting

[candid pecan]

yeah will be fun in +10 key boosts

[daring heron]

ig collateral helps too

[stoic pike]

So... I don't know if I want to take Piercing Howl with a 90s CD, Fearless it is

Sorry group, no run speed for youuuu

[daring heron]

the speed buff was kinda pathetic anyway

minor and short

should absolutely not be a 90s cd

[stoic pike]

30% is a lot, the duration I agree

[nova marsh]

Its not deep wounds

Unless the notes are a typo

[minor gust]

It is deep wounds my guy it's talking about the talent mortal wounds

[daring heron]

i'll probs just take int shout instead of piercing howl in m+

[minor gust]

But thats all for 12.05

[daring heron]

it's uncapped now after all

[hushed pine]

Not that much when you compare it to a Wind Rush totem or Stampeding Roar

[dense sphinx]

i dont even like using it alot in keys cos randomly slowing mobs might fuck up my tank

[daring heron]

ye it's rly inconvenient

currently pulls the entire screen too

• more

[stoic pike]

I did this yesterday on the final stretch of blinding vale lol, pulled one of the big hydras from up top :(

[nova marsh]

...why do they name it like this

[minor gust]

There should be no confusion cleave doesn't apply mortal wounds only MS

[hushed pine]

Blizzard tends to do funny things with their wording

[nova marsh]

Sorry im just too used to the healing debuff being named that

[candid pecan]

[stoic pike]

You don't like it when your spec/class notes for a patch are just tooltip updates?

[umbral badger]

we da sims at ?

[fringe moon]

Shame they didn’t buff colossus ST to make it comparable to slayer

[hushed pine]

I don't like it when they say one thing is gonna do something but their wording makes it seem it's gonna do another thing when it actually doesn't

[minor gust]

Keeping it secret from you

[nova marsh]

So genuinely

Is blizzard trolling

[spring vale]

Yes

[umbral badger]

IT'S FINE, I DON'T WANNA SEE THEM 😒

[river ridge]

Probably

[umbral badger]

:p

[nova marsh]

Like are we getting screwed over for s1 of tww still?

It really feels like it

[hushed pine]

How hard is it to make Deep Wounds behave like old Deep Wounds lmao

[minor gust]

Don't worry if 12.05 changes go through as is slayer dies and Colo pulls ahead

[spring vale]

They keep Arms ST cheeks because SS might make it better than everything else in 2 target

[steep osprey]

You only play delve, doesn't matter for you

[fossil thistle]

Oh no we have a use

[spring vale]

At one point they might just have to scrap/mega nerf SS

[tender knot]

perish the thought

[umbral badger]

as if slayer is far ahead of col anyway LoL

both are equally bottom

[spring vale]

I do think Arms should be allowed to be a little silly in 2 target without their ST being completely ass the rest of the time

[nova marsh]

Genuinely I just want to know

[hushed pine]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[nova marsh]

What is blizzard's goal here

[umbral badger]

yup, many specs are always a "lil silly" in specific fights

[nova marsh]

Cuz i dont get it

[umbral badger]

warcraft logs for couldron was funny ot look at , one single spec.

[dense sphinx]

doing just enough to collect their paycheck

[tender knot]

yeah cleave should be an Arms niche/strength, that's totally part of the identity imo, we just need ST to be passable too so we're not deadweight outside of that lmao

[nova marsh]

Na dude

If that was their goal they just wouldnt touch warrior besides a fucking aura

[steep osprey]

What's so confusing about this? I know this isn't enough of a buff but it's not like this is the final tuning

[nova marsh]

Im not talking about the aura buff

[steep osprey]

Yeah ok

[nova marsh]

Im talking about the changes overall

[steep osprey]

Nevermind then

[solemn blaze]

Oh guys quick question

[umbral badger]

i do think that they are doing even less than that, they are just keeping us hopeful to get our money but not enough to deserve it 😄

[solemn blaze]

The changes are not live yet right?

[dense sphinx]

the only reason they changed the apex change was because of the wowhead post, they only answer when called out

[nova marsh]

The aura buff is nice and fine

[fossil thistle]

IMO deep wounds shouldn’t have to rely on crits

[steep osprey]

Idk about that

[nova marsh]

Apex change is honestly the only good one

[steep osprey]

That was very fast

1 day

[dense sphinx]

ok tbf it was called out long before on forums

[steep osprey]

It takes a while for them to change something and then ship it out

[dense sphinx]

but yea

[nova marsh]

It was probably already planned before we got it

[fossil thistle]

It was mentioned early in beta, they still didn’t do anything.
Probably had something to do with healers out damaging us in some cases

[hushed pine]

Because the Beta isn't for testing

Live is

[nova marsh]

Actually what I want is for that bonus effect to be tuned up and remove the cdr

Then 4th point would be great

[fossil thistle]

Last apex point should just be 5% chance to one shot your target

[summer niche]

even raid bosses*

[nova marsh]

0.000001%

[summer niche]

not 5% but 100%

[fossil thistle]

Casting mortal strike has a 15% chance to shut down the server for maintenance.

[steep osprey]

We don't know if CDR is still there but it could be there along with it

[nova marsh]

It is

[spring vale]

Hopefully it's not

[nova marsh]

It said additional effect

Oh nevermind actually

[steep osprey]

Yep

You read it wrong

[minor gust]

Bro plz use the few braincells your warrior brain has. The wowhead post came out the same day as the notes.

[nova marsh]

....eh in that case its actually undertuned id imagine

[steep osprey]

Is it?

On average it's 2-3 stacks

[hushed pine]

Mixed responses here. Is the cdr there or is it not? Lmao

[dense sphinx]

ofc i know that, doesn't mean i can't take the piss outta devs

[candid pecan]

and uptime on CS is pretty high with tier set

[nova marsh]

Its not

[steep osprey]

That's like 9% additional damage during CS

Which is a lot

[nova marsh]

Im sleep deprived and can't read

[regal wharf]

wait

alleria is arators mom?

[nova marsh]

....

[spring vale]

Yea

[dense sphinx]

yes

[steep osprey]

Bro what

[fossil thistle]

Higher proc rate potentially, but doubtful

[nova marsh]

Where tf have you been

[regal wharf]

skipping the story

[spring vale]

Idk how Turalyon got a baddie like that

[fossil thistle]

It’s been the same since WC3?

[hushed pine]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[fossil thistle]

Vanilla at least

[steep osprey]

Wdym? He looks like a gigachad

[nova marsh]

Tbc

[steep osprey]

That's easy

[nova marsh]

Arator was introduced in tbc

[solemn blaze]

Turalyon is uhhh

lame

: )

Same goes for alleria

[nova marsh]

Yeah fuck that guy

[regal wharf]

also isnt lothraxian a dreadlord why is he in whiteface now

[spring vale]

Turalyon has been catching nothing but Ls for a bit though

[hushed pine]

Turalyon was cool in Legion

[solemn blaze]

Blood Lord Mandokir is where its at

Troll warriors are the best characters

[steep osprey]

Because you saw that side of him

[fossil thistle]

Knew of arator before tbc

Iirc

[solemn blaze]

(totally not biased)

[nova marsh]

Someone didn't play legion

[fossil thistle]

Only been 20yr

[nova marsh]

Did we?

[hushed pine]

Look man, I miss Legion

[regal wharf]

bro my brain was completely off during legion remix

i did not give a FUCK

[spring vale]

Turalyon lost so much aura when he was soycrying when Illidan turned the naaru into dust when they wanted to lightforge Illidan in Legion

[nova marsh]

Yeah Noone did. Legion proper

[solemn blaze]

just play a troll warrior

They're the best

[steep osprey]

If only they looked that cool in-game

[olive nest]

Yo sick drawing

[hushed pine]

Trolls are losers in the lore though

[solemn blaze]

Oh I got more

[hushed pine]

They just catch L after L

[solemn blaze]

Thats why you gotta make kings out of them

[regal wharf]

do you call native americans losers for being colonized

[solemn blaze]

The Darkspear are the best tribe

Fight me

[steep osprey]

Yes. Skill issue

/S

[solemn blaze]

cw blood I suppose if anyone cares

[hushed pine]

They didn't just get colonized, they EVOLVED into night elves, THE COLONIZERS

[candid pecan]

agree, I use these and atomic recalibrator in between, (shadowmeld is op, I dont make the rules)

[solemn blaze]

But Ra'chee will never die

[regal wharf]

they should have been corner boosting

[minor gust]

Yeah they lost = losers. Get good next time.

[steep osprey]

[solemn blaze]

oh uh

americans with their weird opinions again

[regal wharf]

dude if the trolls did their sinners sacrifices, if they pushed lanes properly, if they DIDNT FUCKING FEED THE BEBOP they would have won

[hushed pine]

Trolls are cool though

[steep osprey]

I'm not American

[solemn blaze]

I'm a roleplayer so I love them a bit too much

[regal wharf]

anyone here a deadlock player

[solemn blaze]

Since their lore is actually interesting

[hushed pine]

Thank God I'm not American

[solemn blaze]

Unlike humans who's lore are snore inducing

[flint cedar]

Not colonized...CONQUERED - that is the difference - they were conquering other tribes waaay before anyone else got there. Also mixing real world scenarios with fictional pixels is a low blow...

[spring vale]

We had a chance for upright/beefier Darkspear trolls in Midnight when they put the Amani troll customization in. Sadly all it was was extra skin and hair colors :/

[regal wharf]

oh my god are you actually serious

[solemn blaze]

honestly? I don't want upright trolls

[regal wharf]

arent trolls already upright

[spring vale]

Option would be nice

[hushed pine]

A lot of fiction is based on real world scenarios if you think about it so it's not that far fetched...

[solemn blaze]

aura farming to the max

[regal wharf]

or do you mean not slouched

[ivory niche]

15% buff, damn, cleave gonna shred even more!

[steep osprey]

Zanaladri trolls don't look bad but they walk weird

[solemn blaze]

I love my slouched trolls

[minor gust]

Upright trolls are the ones that grew up in civilized societies

[solemn blaze]

I don't like zandalari because blizzard watched Black Panther once and thought to make them ugandan

[spring vale]

They remind me of my own bad posture after sitting at the puter for a bit

[steep osprey]

Being rich fixes your back posture

[solemn blaze]

RiP Rastakhan

[flint cedar]

Fair 🙂

[steep osprey]

Who would have thought

[minor gust]

Big true

[hushed pine]

That was cool imo

[vapid goblet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1404607648367775854/884dae019b604034a488bde11a71bd29.gif

[minor gust]

They got chiropractors and shit

[solemn blaze]

Also also the changes are not live yet right?

[spring vale]

Next reset

[flint cedar]

I would love to see Bwomswamdi again. Good ol Loa of Death

[steep osprey]

A lot of races are based on different cultures

[solemn blaze]

ok

But

I just dont like the whole "wakanda for- oh sorry Zandalar forever" stuff they got going

[spring vale]

Like Goblins being from Long Island?

[hushed pine]

And then you have humans just being... humans

[solemn blaze]

No no

Humans are the fantasy humans

Goblins are the real humans

[hushed pine]

What do they do

oh yeah u right

my b

[steep osprey]

I thought that was cool

[solemn blaze]

Think about it, they humans are so utopian nice and exhaustingly "AM GOOD GUY!" that when you look at goblins you're like "he's like me fr fr"

[flint cedar]

Yes 🙂 Conquered is serious mode colonized.

[regal wharf]

i mean the trolls are based on carribean african culture so it fits?

[solemn blaze]

Doesn't mean I have to like it

[steep osprey]

Yeah, I think they have Jamaican accents or something

[solemn blaze]

I like the darkspear/amani/gurubashi stuff more

The Drakkari are also cool

But they kinda... died

[regal wharf]

any ghuuners in chat

[solemn blaze]

Oh thank god the blood trolls are confirmed gone

🙏

[hushed pine]

They'll come back for next expansion

[solemn blaze]

NOOOOOO

[hushed pine]

something something "they didn't really die"

we're going back to Northrend

so

https://tenor.com/view/druski-shrug-hands-up-druski-shrug-druski-idk-meme-gif-7093177929627107381

[steep osprey]

Doubt they all died

[solemn blaze]

Well that'd contradict the drakkari npc in zuldazar again

[hushed pine]

It's funny because in English they have those accents but in Spanish they have a thick Dominican/Puerto Rican accent lmao

[solemn blaze]

Oh yeah I doubt they all died as well, but the tribe has fallen apart

[hushed pine]

Blizz isn't very consistent with their lore these days

[solemn blaze]

Nooope

Hence the Tauren got it best

They got NOTHING

[steep osprey]

Nothing's happening in Thunder bluff

They're just chilling

[solemn blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-cheese-with-nothing-nothin-nuttin-polly-o-cheese-gif-319919207048056034

[hushed pine]

Baine did nothing for the entirety of an expansion, then sat up during a cinematic, "Maybe she shouldn't", didn't elaborate further, sat back down again and the rest of the tauren suffered for it

And maybe it's for the best

[steep osprey]

I wanna see Orgrimmar and SW updated like Silver moon

[minor gust]

They always be doing nothing but smoking peacebloom

[steep osprey]

It makes you peaceful

It's in the name

Is next Expac hub gonna be Dalaran?

[full furnace]

Dalaran is indisposed for the moment

[steep osprey]

That is true

What would be a good hub then

[sharp wyvern]

they destoyed dalaran so they can rebuild it in high res

[sharp wyvern]

people were thinking ulduar

[full furnace]

either wyrmrest temple or ulduar

[steep osprey]

That seems odd

[steep osprey]

Temple is too small

[sharp wyvern]

i mean arent the titans supposed to return ?
ulduar used to be their city

[steep osprey]

True

Maybe they'll just use Warsong Hold and the Alliance one

[timid elk]

Icecrown citadel as the hub. Bolvar runs it now anyway

[wooden lava]

I thought his dominion over the undead is gone now that he no longer has the helm of dominion

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/never-give-up-no-surrender-monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-black-knight-its-only-a-flesh-wound-gif-14084084

[timid elk]

Well, the whole point of him taking over the throne was to keep the undead from overrunning azeroth. So if he has no control over them then that's kind of contradictory

[main creek]

He lost this control the moment sylvanas break the helm, way later

or thats what I thought

[muted vine]

How's the patch notes

[main creek]

we saw "wild" scourge minions in both the kyrian campaign (yup that early) and midnight's arator journey

[minor gust]

It's best to not attempt to understand wow lore. That shit is long dead and meaningless.

[slow saddle]

15% of sheit is stil shit

Slightly less ofc

[halcyon grove]

still the last spec

[slow saddle]

Also go pink, pink is op clasd

[slow saddle]

By a good margin

[main creek]

we should just close the discord in protest

[halcyon grove]

https://tenor.com/view/sadhotgirl-gif-22225832

[muted vine]

Seems to be working for rets

[minor gust]

It never worked for rets

[halcyon grove]

sure they always be gayish

[river ridge]

The fuck does that mean

[gusty nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/triggered-trigger-warning-gif-5943310

[river ridge]

Its not even an adjective my dude

[untold pewter]

Thanks to ret players now we get these people asking to close discord, amazing

[minor gust]

Isn't it wonderful

The stupidity spreads

[river ridge]

Just bury me at this point lmao

[muted vine]

Let's close it on the 17th 😌

[untold pewter]

[gusty nymph]

Just for a few minutes 🥳

[dim basalt]

How about we dont do anything stupid

[gusty nymph]

It is unamerican

🫣

[weak rain]

What are our sims after that tunning? For both specs

[flint cedar]

Going to be a training dummy expert on 17th I guess running all plausible Arms combinations and Fury Combinations. If the results are within a decent margin. I will keep rolling my favorite which is arms. If there is a crazy disparity. I will have to swallow the pride and equip another axe 🙂

[gusty nymph]

Start swallowing 😅

[dim basalt]

Fury should be sitting around 103k-105k, pretty good

[river ridge]

Bad by napkin math for Arms. Fury will be decent

[dim basalt]

Im expecting Arms to sit between 85k and 90k

[flint cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/hope-gif-19238353

[gusty nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[minor gust]

Current Sims with just the 15% is 86k

Apex change will possibly bring us to 90k still gonna be dead last

[flint cedar]

lol i felt that brother.

[muted vine]

Dead last after a meaningful and well thought out aura buff?

Yall rly ain't mad enough

[sharp wyvern]

cause you dont become a warrior main by wanting to be meta

[wooden lava]

when was the lastg time warrior was meta (and retained that position for more than 2 weeks)

[muted vine]

"A character with rage and fury" the players:super chill about always being shit

[minor gust]

Because always shit is just not true

Tuning is different every patch cycle

Just how it is

[wooden lava]

exccept if ur arms

[flint cedar]

Guess I am picking up another Weapon until drastic changes are made. Never abandoning my Dwarven Warrior Lord though. I really appreciate all of the channel members running all the theoreticals and simming and all the positive "and negative" dialogue between everyone. Most of you guys know your shit! 🙂

[wooden lava]

ngl, there aren't a lot of good melee atm

aside from UH, seems like all the top performers are casters

[tropic crest]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/MID1_Raid.html
Why warrior dps still missing

[wooden lava]

we're all too depressed to get sims up

[sharp wyvern]

is that list real ?

[blissful bane]

yea looks to be updated

[sharp wyvern]

cause arms wold be below brewmaster

[vague nova]

Arms feels less pruned than any other classes I play so it’s only right it’s below tank damage so I can play a more fun rotation or be competitive on the meters 😭😂

[minor gust]

Well be slightly below or = once apex is added into sims

[sharp wyvern]

the only silver lining is fury

its middle like always

but its gonna slap on most bosses with adds

[wooden lava]

enhance shaman was my backup

but it's so far behidn ele wtf

i wonder if their changes were simmed yet

[olive nest]

I’m convinced the best play tester in house is an arms warrior who constantly tops

[old glacier]

Are we off life support after the class tuning?

[olive nest]

Instead of 74k you do 85k and some change depending on apex value

Maybe 87k maybe 88k? Lmao

[slow saddle]

Wth still no demo lock 🤣

Also wth 90k tank st

[slow saddle]

Another 15%

And we there

[steep osprey]

It should be like 91k from what Fishy said

[slow saddle]

Well 91k we need another 10-15%

[olive nest]

That sounds pretty generous considering the apex swaps for another passive but I’ll blindly trust the fish good lad

[slow saddle]

We also need a nerf to cleave i dont wanna use it in st

[olive nest]

Still dog shit number btw

[steep osprey]

Not dog shit

[slow saddle]

Yeye we are like 15% behind

[steep osprey]

I would say mediocre

[olive nest]

Bottom dps is dogshit

[minor gust]

90k is still dogshit

[olive nest]

Idc how you pitch it

[sharp wyvern]

brewmaster on our asses

[steep osprey]

It's not if the difference isn't as high

[sharp wyvern]

[steep osprey]

Wasn't brew nerfed by 20%?

[olive nest]

The outliers are significantly higher

[steep osprey]

What are they at?

[slow saddle]

Most are 107-110?

[olive nest]

It’s utter dogshit that we got up to 90k and others are 110

[steep osprey]

That's not really utter dogshit level

[olive nest]

Yes it is

[minor gust]

Prot warrior still isn't far behind us either

[steep osprey]

BUt I guess that's just how you see things

[slow saddle]

Prots 70k tbh

[steep osprey]

It's subjective

[olive nest]

All dps should be 100k +

That’s reasonable

Within 10% of each other

[slow saddle]

I mean as said did us good

[steep osprey]

And we might get there eventually, tuning isn't done

[olive nest]

Top to bottom 10% gap I can settle for

[slow saddle]

We will get another 10%

[olive nest]

Anything more they just wildly missed the “mark”

[slow saddle]

Bottom spec should not be somethin like arms

[jagged finch]

guys, why is my randon bullshit fury simming 10k higher than my arms, even with perfect gear stats and talents ?

[dense sphinx]

its not the first time the delta has been this big

[steep osprey]

10% from bottom to first is insanely good for a game like this

even 15% isn't bad

[sharp wyvern]

wasnt last seasn a 20% dif ?

[slow saddle]

Nah ?

Not in theory, more in practice due 2 encounter types

[steep osprey]

Dunno

[olive nest]

Classes on a completely ST test dummy should be damn near even
The disparity should come from fight design. Some fights favor range some fights favor melee some fights favor certain cd timings etc

Not this limp ** can’t do math balance

[slow saddle]

Disagreed

Take havoc with endless funnel

Some disparity in st, to cover different profiles is fine

Within 10% is ok

[olive nest]

Like I said fight design creates disparity

[slow saddle]

M8

M+

Cant have "same st

[olive nest]

Target count creates disparity

[slow saddle]

Its not that simple but 10%

[olive nest]

Boss design creates disparity

[slow saddle]

Dmg profile tax

Y so whats the measure of "equal" dmg?

4m fight?

[minor gust]

Because fury is currently better

[slow saddle]

5m? St?

Like same st would make some specs insane

[steep osprey]

Blizzard's raid DPS tuning is great for a game like this

[slow saddle]

Yup

[steep osprey]

They always get there eventually

[slow saddle]

And in top 100 guild

U play best comp anywayd

[olive nest]

Idk maybe I’m not explaining my thoughts

[steep osprey]

I think we understand what you're saying

[olive nest]

On a ST dummy whatever time Blizz deems good, why can’t all the dps be tuned within 1-2% of each other with simple math

And then the wilder swings comes from fight design

[steep osprey]

Because it's not that simple

[olive nest]

That makes sense to me

[slow saddle]

Y but then u want all specs 2 do the same everyhin

[steep osprey]

There are specs that sim high but they aren't as good during fight encounters

[slow saddle]

Just reskins

[olive nest]

Like oh this boss has adds every 45 seconds so arms owns with demolish

[steep osprey]

Even if everyone is simming the same, there's gonna be some large disparities

[olive nest]

Why can’t that be a thing

[slow saddle]

It is a thing

[olive nest]

Oh this boss has 3 bosses spread apart the dot specs are good

[steep osprey]

It is though

[lyric hound]

This is practically impossible with as many specs that have to be balanced. You have vastly different kits and damage profiles. No class is a “flat damage” it’s a bunch of calc like formulas that make up nearly every damage by ability

[eternal edge]

Last time we almost saw this was Isle of thunder patch in MoP
All classes and spec were close except affliction and destro

[olive nest]

One of the most fond memories available if you were there

[steep osprey]

Last time? Blizzard has done much better tuning since then lol

A LOT OF TIMES

[slow saddle]

But if affliction has same st as arms affliction 100 is choice in any add encounter

[lyric hound]

That’s one reason why they are simplifying abilities and pruning. To make each ability easier to tune instead of having to nerf x cause y got buffed

[slow saddle]

10 within margin in sim is good

Sim is a flat 5/6m

[eternal edge]

Talking about close tuning all around and they did good job after that but not so close like that mate wants to

[olive nest]

I’m not buying it for a second that a person can’t look at the data they collect and go hmm this spec is behind 30-40% so +15% and some crayon dust should fix it

[slow saddle]

Well they added apex talent

Also its not last buff

[olive nest]

Yeah that’s the crayon dust

[slow saddle]

Like imho 15% check how it performs real life

[lyric hound]

This is somewhat true. But auras are dangerous because you can’t always measure every rotational impact especially as our gear scales

[slow saddle]

Tune ms // exe // op to gain value vs cleave

[minor gust]

They aren't just buffing us they are buffing and nerfing a lot of specs. They shook things up and they will tune again on the 24th

[steep osprey]

^

[slow saddle]

This

[steep osprey]

The best specs went from 140k dps to 110k

[eternal edge]

This tbh

[slow saddle]

If its shit after 24th.

Y b4 needed a 100% aura buff to be top 5 b4 nerfs🤣🤣

[steep osprey]

I think they did a better job at balancing after that

[cursive osprey]

so whats the ST and AOE buff % after tuning?

[minor gust]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision/2270878/31

The only thing that matters is everyone should be complaining in here so we can get that 12.05 changes reverted

Fuck tuning

[slow saddle]

Facts!!!

[eternal edge]

Imo too many classes were undertuned so many times

[dense sphinx]

something is wrong with whatever method they are using to measure dps

[slow saddle]

Let sd reap ONLY sd!!!!!!

[minor gust]

If you can comment on this forum thread then do it please

[steep osprey]

You can't just say "aside from this spec and this spec, they did a good job" when the disparity between the best and the worst specs are this bad

[minor gust]

We need SD reap reverted or it's gg

Currently 2nd most popular 12.05 post keep it up

[wooden lava]

when is that from lol

[steep osprey]

Unless they have some other changes for SD true

[olive nest]

I don’t want or expect my favorite spec to be the best every single patch just because it’s my spec of choice. What I have an issue with personally is that they just let it be dead last with a big enough gap to be not wanted in any content

[minor gust]

[sharp wyvern]

if you take warlock out of the picture balance looks pretty decent

[steep osprey]

ToT rn

[steep osprey]

But warlock is in the picture

[lyric hound]

What’s “wrong” is that specs have different designers and likely can have widely different formulas. Some teams are better than others, clearly

[olive nest]

How may tiers am I going to have to play fury to not ride the bench it’s bullshit really

[minor gust]

No point in thinking like that. Focus feedback on what's currently released

[slow saddle]

Always

[wooden lava]

what a bad time ot be a warrior

[steep osprey]

I can't post shit, I'll let someone else do that lol

[sharp wyvern]

and your assuming its not getting nerfed more?

[eternal edge]

BUT THIS PLEASE

[slow saddle]

Only reason 2 pick arms is arms havin more st by a 5% + margin

[steep osprey]

It isn't because they don't do any tuning for MoP

Aside from one before the raid launches

[slow saddle]

Fury looses nothing going aoe

[olive nest]

Like this Ungabunga crayon eating shit is getting old bro

[sage bison]

Fucking real

[olive nest]

Let me be the intellectual arms enthusiast I’m destined to be

[slow saddle]

What did u want em to do??

[steep osprey]

Every single post from you has some variation of crayon eating

[sharp wyvern]

arms can never do above average dps cause if there is ever a cleve fight it would be too strong

[steep osprey]

We get it lol

[olive nest]

Good I’ll keep mentioning

[sharp wyvern]

tbf fury mains do be crayon eaters

[olive nest]

Alright hear me out

WILD take

Adjust sweep

[wooden lava]

it's weird how arms rotation feels better than fury atm

[steep osprey]

We don't do any adjusting here

[sharp wyvern]

buT tHe NiEcHe

[cursive osprey]

whats the ST and AOE buffs in % after tuning?

[minor gust]

Tbd

[steep osprey]

15%

[sharp wyvern]

best i can do is 18%

[olive nest]

They can pound sand with their “nieches” respectfully

It’s not a nieche when you can’t tune it to be good fearing it’ll be overpowered

[sharp wyvern]

im pretty sure thats why shadowpriest is bad rn too

[olive nest]

Well yeah exactly

[sharp wyvern]

we got a few multidot fights

[olive nest]

Can’t have 5 spriests on the dot fights

Heaven forbid a nieche exists and shines

[fresh spire]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

[olive nest]

[rose ibex]

They nuked spriest in the notes

[minor gust]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

[olive nest]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

[sharp wyvern]

they nuked psychic link but buffed ST

[rose ibex]

Truuuuue but that psychic link nerf was reaaaally brutal

[olive nest]

Literally me I need a snickers bar or something my beloved arms is always cooked ffs my helmet

[eternal edge]

My take
Fury players like spamming
They don't want to play arms anymore and blizzard listen
That's why arms is always under fury since years

Cause more fury players than arms

[wooden lava]

arms just feels more fluid this season, i can't really explain it

[olive nest]

Fuckem

[sharp wyvern]

same reason ret needs to be good
most populat spec

[olive nest]

Arms owns

[minor gust]

Until 12.05 ruins it

[wooden lava]

comparatively, fury feels kinda schizo-y

[eternal edge]

Exactly

[rose ibex]

I like playing it but the numbers are pretty bad

[wooden lava]

bro idek if this class will be worth playing in 2 weeks, much less 12.05

[minor gust]

Only cowards escape to other classes

[wooden lava]

at this rate, fury is barely worth bringing over like a prot warrior

[sharp wyvern]

im stuck as warrior since im the only onein my guild

[wooden lava]

yeah but have you played enhance yet

[olive nest]

The aura buff fucking owns for cleave damage but you’ll still do piss boss damage so the M+ community won’t have you

[wooden lava]

it's not only fun, but it deals decent dmg

[sharp wyvern]

maybe colossus is gonna be good on pad fights guys

[olive nest]

Have to pull the que as fury spec swap tech mid count down

[rose ibex]

I feel like unless im with a friend who's tanking or healing i have to tank to get in groups

[wooden lava]

yeah

kinda the case for warriors

[eternal edge]

Like I said before
It's my last season if I'll have to switch to fury
I'm tired of this shit

[wooden lava]

if u dont know how to tank, good luck

[rose ibex]

Which is fine for now

[quaint otter]

no becuz there r specs who destroy adds in 1 button

[rose ibex]

Prot is fun

[thick kelp]

Cy@

[eternal edge]

Ikr

[rose ibex]

I refuse to play fury

[golden lion]

Hi im new in this discord. Just a question i really wanted to play arms this season. do you guys think with this buff coming next reset the spec gonna be competitive not really?

[wooden lava]

what level of content do u do

[thick kelp]

no

[dense sphinx]

still at or near the bottom

[eternal edge]

Nope

[quaint otter]

Need st buff still

[golden lion]

3k io curve every season

[wooden lava]

yeah dont play arms

[quaint otter]

Go anything then

[eternal edge]

Don't play warrior then

[dense sphinx]

a monkey can get 3k io and aotc so yea arms is fine for that

[quaint otter]

3k and curve is irrelevant what u play

[minor gust]

You can play literally everything at that level

[rose ibex]

People have been saying it is not enough

[quaint otter]

Just be decent and u got it

[wooden lava]

it's enough, just idk if it's fun

[rose ibex]

But im happy for anything

12.05 scares me

[wooden lava]

oh u said curve, not CE

[steep osprey]

@minor gust Of course the frost mage feedback thread has significantly more views than the SD one lol

[dense sphinx]

if your aotc raidlead only watches tierlist videos then yea maybe arms isnt enough

[wooden lava]

if ud ont mind the feeling of being carried on all fights

[minor gust]

Yeah I have been laughing at that. Fucking mages yapping all day but I'm struggling to get arms players to comment on it while spamming the thread link in this discord all day

[steep osprey]

Well, it's the 2nd highest viewed thread so far

so you should be fine

[minor gust]

Yeah

[steep osprey]

They have to have seen it or will see it soon

[wooden lava]

oh that's what6 u were tryna do

[minor gust]

Still like to get as much ppl bitching about it as I can

[olive nest]

It’s not that you can’t play whatever you want to get 3k io it’s more so that it makes it a total pain in the ass to pug when you play an unfavorable spec. But I guess there really is no solution for that

[eternal edge]

Us tho
I did a like on it but I can't comment

[dense sphinx]

i mean

[minor gust]

We need to get these changes reverted or looked at again

[wooden lava]

bro I thought u were just tryna get people to read what u said

[shy dew]

less than 2 days they got a buff into their defensive, meanwhile war is barely breathing

[dense sphinx]

arms dev had to have seen the undisputed widely agreed sentiment across all wow media that arms was F tier

and he still only gave us 15%

so

i wouldnt put any faith

[minor gust]

12.05 arms is disgusting

[minor gust]

Noo bro I'm trying to get as many people to comment in the thread as possible because that's what matters. Volume of complaints

[wooden lava]

let's start flaming

[quaint otter]

There is no arms dev chill

A left-over spec

[old glacier]

It's hard when you pug.😭

[minor gust]

EU boys feel free to copy and paste onto EU forums and do the same thing

[steep osprey]

No one cares about EU forums

[sharp wyvern]

the best way to get changes is to complain on social media and have hate threads
at least that seems to work for other specs

[quaint otter]

Not really :/

[eternal edge]

Literally no one cares about EU forums.

[olive nest]

The best way to get changes is to be a liquid or echo or method raider and have friends who work at blizzard

[minor gust]

🤷

[upper sparrow]

6% of the population btw

[sharp wyvern]

the devs who do the tuning are in the US anyway

[minor gust]

Y'all better make some NA accounts then

[olive nest]

Revvez wallife please

Make friends with Blizz dev

We need you

[steep osprey]

I'm not making a NA account and buying the game just to post something lol

[eternal edge]

Yeah

[minor gust]

[eternal edge]

It's said "you need to be LVL 10" but we also know that we need to buy the game

[minor gust]

It would be sooo baller if you did tho

[sharp wyvern]

you are little naive thinking this is gonna do anything

[minor gust]

[quaint otter]

At least sub

[steep osprey]

Gimme 60 bucks

And I'll do it

[olive nest]

I don’t believe for a second that they entertain the forum posts

It’s totally placebo

[eternal edge]

I liked the post already

[steep osprey]

They do

[quaint otter]

[minor gust]

Best I can do is a polite thank you

[steep osprey]

I've seen a lot of changes being reverted over outrage on forums

[eternal edge]

On us forums

[sharp wyvern]

why do you think it wouldnt be better to make more post rather than funneling everything into 1

[eternal edge]

Never seen anything changed when rage is coming in EU forums

[steep osprey]

Well, he did post it on NA

[tawdry bear]

What's the forum you are posting on?

[minor gust]

Hpal was the most recent. They made an awful change Hpals raged and was reverted next week

[steep osprey]

Yep

See

[minor gust]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision/2270878/31

[steep osprey]

We need more outrage though

THis isn't enough

[minor gust]

I'm trying

[sharp wyvern]

cause they had content creators that were hating on the changes

our content creators are fury mains

[minor gust]

By content creators you mean just Ellesmere xD

[sharp wyvern]

and it was enough

[olive nest]

Maddox yaps about arms too I appreciate that from him

[dense sphinx]

i mean if most other specs say they are bad, everyone calls them sandbagging

EVERYONE agrees arms is bad and no one says we're sandbagging

that means alot

[steep osprey]

Critcake should yap about these changes

A big video

or something

[dense sphinx]

crit is too respectful

[steep osprey]

He can do it respectfully

That's better than the alternative

[olive nest]

Can’t wait for the 3% adjustments on the 24th! Can’t risk peoples time investments on class choice now!

[minor gust]

Crit is also a bit demotivated from feeling like his videos don't help or do anything. Doubt he will make a 12.05 video, but it would help if he did.

[dense sphinx]

i mean all of us got demo shouted right

[minor gust]

Especially since I'm really trying to push this forum complaints as well

[dense sphinx]

[steep osprey]

I think they do something

[sharp wyvern]

the funniest thing is the only time we get a dev note on changes is when piercing howl gets nerfed

the one thing that doesnt matter

[olive nest]

Was that even a relevant talent

Lmao

[sharp wyvern]

appearntly they dont want us to use it

[dense sphinx]

there's a good chance WFR guilds run 0 dps warriors and use protwar for battleshout

which might get us more dev attention

[eternal edge]

I even don't play with it tbh

[olive nest]

I hope they do

That will actually make a difference

[sharp wyvern]

prot dps is pretty good now

[dense sphinx]

yeah it is

very good chance they run protwar

fury is ok but i think they'd rather drop it to stack more of the op classes

[sharp wyvern]

prot brewmaster

[dense sphinx]

yeah

[sharp wyvern]

so they might not use windwalkers either

[dense sphinx]

2 good dps tanks and 2 raidbuffs covered

its logical to run that

[steep osprey]

If the tuning does it's job, no class will be "op"

[dim basalt]

Winderwalkers may get interesting for aoe burst

[shy dew]

war devs barely should know what they`re doing, setting a note into pierce howl is kinda a joke, they barely should play with the class, is it impossible, everyone with 2 neurons can got the message, the spec need a big rework

[steep osprey]

and they already nerfed some of the OP ones

like Demo and UHDK

[scenic cedar]

when world first run started?

[olive nest]

24th

[scenic cedar]

thx

[dim basalt]

Cant wait for the mythic splits

[minor gust]

Prob should tell him that then. Up to him if he wants to do one

[dense sphinx]

ok but they dont do their job

[steep osprey]

So far it is going in a good direction with what they did to the outliners in the last post

[olive nest]

Technically I assume you can watch them do heroic splits starting on the 17th but the actual race bosses start when mythic is released on the 24th

[steep osprey]

And we have another tuning pass before mythic raid

[dim basalt]

The UHDK nerf was a joke imo

[steep osprey]

A joke how

[dim basalt]

Not enough

[steep osprey]

They went from 140k to 110k

lol

That's plenty enough

[dim basalt]

Not sure Id call it plenty enough when theyre still kind of an outlier

[olive nest]

The 24th tuning is going to be damn near nothing bet on it

[steep osprey]

How?

[scenic cedar]

i wanna know this coz wanna watch how many warriors in raid will be

[steep osprey]

If anything I think it will be more considering they'll have data from heroic week

[dim basalt]

110k is still like 7-10% more than most specs

But that can change with the notes for the 24th

We will see

[stable fiber]

except thats where alot of specs sit though

[olive nest]

Yeah and they’ll just put italic text that says we approached these adjustments conservatively to respect the time investments players have on their class choices

[stable fiber]

is the 115k-110k area

[steep osprey]

There's nothing wrong with that IMO. As long as it's not 30% like before

[stable fiber]

ret probably the highest simming btw

[dim basalt]

What was ret simming before?

[stable fiber]

not high

[steep osprey]

From what I've seen, Feral is 120k now

[olive nest]

Anybody expecting magical arms numbers on the 24th is fooling themselves imo

[stable fiber]

its 115k according to them

[dim basalt]

hmm

[stable fiber]

oh yeah feral ST is gross

they are like the opposite scenario of arms, gross st but awful aoe

[steep osprey]

I don't think that's much of an issue for ferals considering rarely anyone plays them even if they're very strong

[dim basalt]

And equally awful to play

[stable fiber]

yup

[unkempt wren]

I expect more targeted tuning fpr the big aura buff classes next, but I don't expect it to be very meaningful

[dim basalt]

Any info on demo lock now?

[steep osprey]

10% dps loss

or something like that

[stable fiber]

was 121k but then they fixed the sim so its like 110-105k

[olive nest]

The sandbagged info or the actual?

[dim basalt]

Cant wait for the Kalamazi sandbagging vid

[steep osprey]

Well, I can tell you that the nerfs were pretty large looking at the notes

[stable fiber]

me personally though ill be swapping to arms for trash in raid and m0s

this spec unironically will do crazy aoe

[olive nest]

Oh absolutely

Cleave +15%

Omega

[stable fiber]

then go hit a boss and do MAYBE 25k damage

[steep osprey]

If they do another aura buff, they should definitely nerf Cleave lol

[stable fiber]

they have too

[thick kelp]

its already out

[dim basalt]

lol

[steep osprey]

Bro works very fast to make sure Warlock stays OP

[stable fiber]

i like when aff is good

that looks like the bis lock spec

seems like its always destro or demo though istg i never see aff

[steep osprey]

Aff plays like Legion rn i think

[olive nest]

Amazing if that’s true

Best iteration hands down

[uncut yacht]

yo here after the notes. Does Arms have a right to exist now?

[olive nest]

Yeah you exist in the back of the room

[steep osprey]

Yeah they brought back Unstable Affliction as a spender

[stable fiber]

best in the game when hitting 5 targets, worst at everything else

so no

you dont get to exist

[uncut yacht]

awesome! so garbage then

got it

[stable fiber]

you got it

[uncut yacht]

got my answer

[olive nest]

Picked last for dodgeball moment

[uncut yacht]

Guts mentality bro, spec exists to suffer and catch Ls

nothing else

[steep osprey]

Someone has to exist for that

[uncut yacht]

Was there ever a patch when we didnt get brutilized by int spam? or at least all 3 mages were bad?

[stable fiber]

all 3 mages are never bad

[steep osprey]

But they're scarcely OP

Like everyone seems to think

[stable fiber]

but the tier where int users wasnt the meta was probably amirdrassil

that tier was very good for melee

[dim basalt]

Does anyone know how enh is looking after the changes?

I think theyre still worse than ele but uh

[stable fiber]

worse then ele but not by much

pretty good afaik

they made spriest do no aoe but real good ST like feral

[thick kelp]

wildstalker ferral ST gonna go crazy

sad that they gave boomkin the 20% aura tho

[tropic crest]

The rework on Apex rank 4 may be good

[thick kelp]

better than the previous rank4

atleast it will be picked now in 99.9% of cases

[slow saddle]

which is the way it should work, still doesnt rly bind together the outher points but still

[gentle frigate]

Are the buffs enough?

[slow saddle]

no

[icy atlas]

Probably not. Probably not.

[slow saddle]

by far no

BUT

getting 15% is still good

thats a LOT in one go

they do need to NERF Cleave and keep buffing us a bit

[uncut yacht]

Problem is their 7 is too flacid so it became a 1

shoulda been 75

[olive nest]

Should have been 25-30%

[untold trench]

25-30%, would turn the dps lead on the meters from 10-20%, to 30-40%

U crazy crazy