arms

[sharp tendon]

when is it time to shut down arms warrior discord like paladin did it worked great

[sharp wyvern]

3%

i dont think we get far with that

[eternal edge]

that was all paladins, i don't think fury and prot will be ok

[sharp tendon]

leaving arms liek this trash for so long sucks ass and then before give it more nerfs for no reason

[quasi comet]

SHUT THIS DOWN NOW

[summer niche]

Lets shut it down

[quasi comet]

we need to just organize a walkout, we all log out on a certain day, that will surely get their attention

[summer niche]

https://tenor.com/view/its-time-shut-this-down-over-done-finished-gif-15012540

[sharp wyvern]

logging out while our subs are still going aint doing shit

i do this every day trust me

[wicked slate]

They might see the shut down of the discord as an excuse to just delete arms spec

[summer niche]

How did the paladins do this shit

[quasi comet]

no no surely it will have blizz shaking

[summer niche]

Atleast then I can delete this game in peace

[sharp wyvern]

by having delusional mods who had the power to shut it down

[slim iron]

Not bad

[eternal edge]

Archim are you mad? xD

[summer niche]

[jovial hare]

how long did it take you to make this

[summer niche]

Ye same question here

[sharp wyvern]

that whirlwind buff would have people mad af

[slim iron]

Lol. Its from 11.1 patch notes https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-1-ptr-class-tuning-development-notes-for-february-12th-all-tank-damage-370270

[jovial hare]

lmfao

[obsidian otter]

buffs WW arms doesnt use

[summer niche]

Someone who can print this on a tshirt so I can walk into the Blizzard Office butt naked with just the shirt on?

[summer niche]

This

[sharp wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1481791866067226806/WWgoesbrr.gif

[summer niche]

Front and back

[obsidian otter]

no just go without it on and pass out the shirts lol

[summer niche]

Alright

[sharp tendon]

i miss the old warrior where u did good execute dmg when u knew when a boss hit 30 % hp its ur turn to do dmg

[dull siren]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning-incoming-march-25/2080741

[eternal edge]

for the god sake please don't make this happen again

[summer niche]

Someone in the shirt printing history who wants to do a sponsorship

[sharp wyvern]

thats actually insane bait

even the date fits

[eternal edge]

not sure if i can print in color actually

[jovial hare]

it would be if it didn't start with 'season 2'

[summer niche]

Black/White?

[sharp wyvern]

in what world do you live where people read more than a headline

[warm fog]

Well played

[eternal edge]

i can but mate you'll pay a lot cause fucking US taxes

[jovial hare]

my own [:

[sharp wyvern]

sounds like a better world than this

[summer niche]

But it would be funny to read in the newspaper

[jovial hare]

mortal strike does dmg there

[summer niche]

Crazy Person runs into Blizzard Office butt naked because his Class in WoW is dog water

[eternal edge]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-the-newspaper-armie-hammer-maxim-de-winter-rebecca-take-a-look-gif-18488108

[latent pasture]

*the class does damage there

[minor gust]

Just realized it's Friday the 13th if we get notes today we definitely ain't getting buffed

[jovial hare]

no it's not that crazy

[minor gust]

[dire hinge]

low key just nerf us again at this point, we're still above healers

[summer niche]

The state of arms is melting my brain Im so close to start level and gear up my paladin

[sharp tendon]

wel i have 3 chars ready if arms dont get proper buffs 17th i dont play it not going play shit furry

[jovial hare]

ret isn't doing fantastic either

[quasi comet]

sub rogue is the truth im telling yall

[eternal edge]

no ret is trash too

[summer niche]

Everything is still better then Arms rn

Even holy paladin could beat us in raid dps

[sharp wyvern]

port war and arms are actually realy close

[jovial hare]

but then you'll be a ret paladin

[sharp wyvern]

in m+ prot does more ST even

[dire hinge]

and you wont die

[summer niche]

True and paladins are kind of..

[sharp wyvern]

prots apex talent is also a dps buff

thats insane

can you imagine your apex talents not nerf you

[jovial hare]

prot has arms too

that's insane

we just play prot

[summer niche]

Prot is great rn u actually dont lose health and do alot of dps

[sharp wyvern]

same thing happened in S3 TWW

[summer niche]

I love the state of prot rn

[summer niche]

Arms was not bad in s3

[median canyon]

Do we even take our apex talents?

[sharp tendon]

ret is fine

[dire hinge]

yes, just not the final one

[sharp wyvern]

arms wasnt bad in Shadowlands either

[slim iron]

How can the final apex talent result in a dps loss?

[median canyon]

They need to post the changes

[sharp wyvern]

desyncing your CDs is always bad
ESPECIALLY if bosses have dmg amps

[sharp dust]

https://tenor.com/view/moderators-mods-kill-this-guy-with-hammers-kill-this-guy-with-hammers-old-kill-this-guy-with-hammers-fancy-gif-17832892536946685423

[dire hinge]

right now Anger Management impacts both Colossus Smash and Avatar. it means both CS/Avatar will always line up with each other.
That changes when you taken the final apex talent, making CS suddenly desync.
The rest of our kit is designed around burst windows and buffing spells. If you make it so that CS doesn't align with the rest of your burst winow, you do less damage since the buffs it provides are stacking

it's effectively DPS Neutral.

[warped solstice]

Because Blizzard famously doesn't understand their own game. An apex talent that ends with CD desync is an incredibly stupid design.

[dire hinge]

if you take the final apex talent you dont gain damage, you dont lose damage

so you might as well just point the point elsewhere, so its at least a gain

for example:

[jovial hare]

actually, our class is designed around desynching cooldowns, didnt u see the final node

the goal is to do as little damage as possible, to not be mean

[slim iron]

Got it ty. Sounds like the final apex talent should give cdr to all the abilities to they stay lined up

[flint cedar]

I have a feeling they are going to slap Avatar/CS into the same 4th apex

[jovial hare]

it shouldnt give cdr

at all

literally anything else

ty blizz

[dire hinge]

yeah the best option would not to further CDR at all and buff something else. CDR just means downtime or mechanics become even more penalizing

[warped solstice]

That'd be nice, but a bandaid fix to a poorly designed apex talent in general. Archi's article from today hits the nail on the head.

[flint cedar]

Agreed Brother

[sharp wyvern]

wouldnt it be a dmg loss if a boss has a dmg amp tho?

[fleet sinew]

https://files.catbox.moe/7dfk6u.png
anyone feel like hitting dummies for 3-5 mins?
would like to see some comparisons from other players around these parts
this is 5 target dummies, colossus, latest wowhead m+ talent build, 240ilvl, only battleshout, no consumes no enchants

[slow saddle]

Did u press cleave?

A lot?

[fleet sinew]

oh yeah

[proper moth]

Maybe arms is fine and we’re all just dog shit🤔

[sharp dust]

[slow saddle]

Just requires 5 targets to do st dmg

[dire hinge]

no, because you'd hold all of your other cooldowns to align if it was an amp anyways. You might have to hold them less if there was CDR, but you ususally dont design a spec around one boss having a damage amp.

[warped solstice]

You would just hold CS until Avatar was off CD, resulting in no damage loss, but feeling terrible.

[fleet sinew]

https://files.catbox.moe/nu2ls5.png

[sharp wyvern]

you wouldnt lose out on a use of a CD?

[slow saddle]

Love that... 43% + the slams and hs + the dw

[sharp wyvern]

i guess depends on boss timings

[slow saddle]

Cleave doib 60 %++

[dire hinge]

you would, but it usually outweighs it to hold for a burst, been that way since forever

[minor gust]

Hasn't changed since TWW

[slow saddle]

I mean

We had a short window

[slow saddle]

With dreadnaught bein good

[warped solstice]

Read Archi's post from today. You're getting roughly one extra CS every 5 minutes or so

[sharp wyvern]

i didnt realize our profile is so flat that desyncing your CDs doesnt matter

its worse than i thought

[slow saddle]

What a 4th apex talent 100% binding the specc.

[granite bear]

Cleave is cool but not using bladestorm in aoe feels awful. Ravager needa to go, colossus should be the st spec and slayer raid

[slow saddle]

What?

100% prefer rav over bladestorm

[high snow]

wrong, colossus NEEDS ravager and it feels actually good to press.. bladestorm feels super meh

[slow saddle]

Id take rav in slayer if i could

[sharp wyvern]

when i was leveling MM i was getting realy jealous of their 4th apex talent imagine if we had one that would make slam/ heroic strike always crit

[slim iron]

Oh ok so if rank 3 was like "heroic strike gains 10 stacks of masters of welfare" theb it would be a dps increase

[olive nest]

Desyncing bad

[minor gust]

You can come up with almost anything that's not another form of cdr

[olive nest]

Whoda thunk

[minor gust]

And it will be an increase

[sharp wyvern]

what if the 4the apex talent would remove reap the storm

[wicked slate]

We'd still be too strong

[slender sonnet]

wouldnt put it past blizz at this point

infact dont even give them ideas

[olive nest]

Whatch them double down and make it 3 second CDR lmao

[sharp tendon]

i wish they give us condem back that was crazy fun to play with i had rly allot of fun and bring skp back that was also fun to pres with all bleeds up on prio target

they all removed and nothing good in replace

[slim iron]

At a certain point the cdr on cs will make it be a dps increase

[sharp wyvern]

i liked the fairy ability more

[olive nest]

Best ability ever hands down
Condemn

[sharp wyvern]

it gave us rage gen

and now we need it more than ever beforee

[sharp tendon]

it was fun to press

[obsidian otter]

I dont think they want that as in beta it was 5s now its down to 2s 🙁

[sharp tendon]

did good dmg aoe and st

[lime ruin]

I didn’t like condemn it rage starved me too much I liked going kyrian and the dead people one

[eternal edge]

no fucking way.
i think slayer with BS is a good thing tho

[lime ruin]

I’d take neither and go colossus if I could

[sharp tendon]

i think we need also more procs of stuff

[slow saddle]

Nah

Imagine rav with bs impact

[slim iron]

I liked the free blink from the Forrest faction in sl whatever they were called

[slow saddle]

That would fuck

[sharp tendon]

and remove rend

[obsidian otter]

spin the win is arms iconic playstyle if you dont wanna spin to win play another class lol

[slow saddle]

Its rly not

And works very poorly with empowering ms

Like

Rav works way better in that aspect

[lime ruin]

Big juicy burst dam with mortal strikes and executes is how I see arms. And I like demolish for that reason too

[high snow]

bladestorm felt good on slayer in raids in TWW but ravager with colossus in m+ felt incredible

[lime ruin]

But bliz changing execute to healing the enemy this expac is zzzz

[sharp tendon]

indeed they said last we buff mortal strike cus we want it when u press it u do some good dmg and its meaningfull to press

[rare kite]

anything arms does except cleave is healing the enemy

[slow saddle]

Felt like shit in execute

[eternal edge]

sorry but its the most iconic arms spell

[manic quest]

I want big crits and that squishy sound deep wounds used to make when you crit xD

[eternal edge]

yeah don't get me wrong : slayer arms with BS is great,
Colo with Ravager is great too

[slow saddle]

It works way better on fury

[eternal edge]

but imo if we have to chose and delete one, i prefer BS than Ravager

[eternal edge]

just because slayer fury speeds up BS

[rare kite]

would prefer deleting ravager and just shortening BS duration. arms bs is just too long

[slow saddle]

No

[eternal edge]

exactly this

[slow saddle]

We want 2 empower ms

Legit

Bs in st is cancer

[olive nest]

Make Mortal Strike absolutely truck

[slow saddle]

Nah

[eternal edge]

bruh ppl were talking about bringing back WW in ST and you didn't say anything xDDDD

[slow saddle]

U cant

[quiet bramble]

blizz is cancer

[slow saddle]

Ms + ep reduces ms naked

[slim iron]

Its already getting late in the day went home bc of friday the 13th?

[olive nest]

If the average hit for a non Warrior is 30k, mortal strike should do 50k and Crit for double

Make arms 3 other dps worth of ST

[shadow ibex]

Yea prot def has someone who cares

They've gotten great changes

[eternal edge]

anyway, before acting like everything is bullshit in arms, actually gameplay is overall good for most of people and we just need numbers / a better apex (at least 4th) talent

[rare kite]

ep is how you ensure you don't just spam exe. EP is goated

[slow saddle]

Ofc

[shadow ibex]

Probably some misses but otherwise

[slow saddle]

But also why ravager works

[shadow ibex]

Not entirely true btw

[slow saddle]

For arms

Better than bd

[rare kite]

yea just mostly true. ofcourse tuning still applies

[slow saddle]

Would mean more dmg in execute phase

[shadow ibex]

We had ep in df and it ended up being best to spam exe in s3 ignoring ep

[slow saddle]

A rav burst

[eternal edge]

nah

[shadow ibex]

If you wanna be objective its like a 30% chance during any given tier that arms will require all possible buffs before MS is worth using in execute

[eternal edge]

rav is bad by design especially when lots of movements anyway

[restive ledge]

Ep? As a casual and not good in lingo

[slow saddle]

Again no

[olive nest]

Executioners Precision

[rare kite]

still think EP should be 50% per. 75% was a bit too much in legion and 35% is too little

[slow saddle]

Agreed

[shadow ibex]

Remove slam and let me exe always

How bout dat

[rare kite]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-want-peace-i-want-problems-always-choose-violence-no-peace-problems-gif-24342946

[icy mulch]

@minor gust Ok, so he insulted me, agreed with me, disagreed with me, now we just need to see pigs fly and I score the "Bingo." lol

[eternal edge]

you can't; the rotation will become clunky af

plus, many talents are working around slam actually

[slow saddle]

If rav did good dmg + gave rage

Ofc with cdr of bladestorm

[high snow]

why are people trying to turn arms into fury lol just play fury

[shadow ibex]

Nah

[eternal edge]

THIS

[wicked slate]

If they want us to have old school abilities like heroic strike. Let me hold slam in like an empowered ability

It'll be like old times where slam had a cast time

[smoky kayak]

that's what I was talking about earlier - you could do that and just add a passive somewhere that makes Execute better sub-35%, but it does still dilute Execute, which not everyone is a fan of

[eternal edge]

thank you Archie

[shadow ibex]

Fuck diluting

That ship sailed

We need function

[smoky kayak]

I mean the only thing it does is consolidate a keypress

[shadow ibex]

We can worry about aeasthic later

[sharp wyvern]

the thing is i dont think blizz would make the ability thats called "execute" a non execute phase ability

[wicked slate]

For the sake of keybinds, just let slam upgrade to execute at <35%

[eternal edge]

bruh it's already aethestic wdym

[high snow]

slam wouldnt be an issue of it hit like a drunk dad, problem is it hits like a noodle rn

[shadow ibex]

Then make it clear it changes sub 35

Just make it feel good sub 35

[minor gust]

What a guy

[shadow ibex]

We dont need bloat to justify

[smoky kayak]

frankly though, I don't think most player's issue is with Slam the keybind, so much as just a weirdly ideological aversion to the concept of "Slam" though

I'm pretty sure if you replaced Slam with a new ability that did the exact same thing, you'd still see a whole lot less complaint about it

[eternal edge]

then clean cleave or WW and rend instead of slam xD

[sharp wyvern]

i agree we need more rend hate

[high snow]

again, is people trying to turn arms into fury

[manic quest]

Id like slam more if it had a slamming animation

Like it does for male tauren

[shadow ibex]

If the main defense of not letting us have this is a worry how thematic execute is, im just tired boss

[minor gust]

I do not understand the slam hate especially after all the midnight changes 🤷

[smoky kayak]

I mean it's more than that, also trickles into other things like Sudden Death, Condemn ever coming back, etc

[shadow ibex]

I wanna have something that functions well then I can worry about something being watered down

[smoky kayak]

I mean if you don't think themes and identity matter, then I don't really know why you're playing a fantasy MMO tbh

[shadow ibex]

Gotta pick the right battles and all

[slim iron]

I would like to be able to execute at all hp amounts

[eternal edge]

https://tenor.com/view/jenn-jenn-robbins-pink-this-this-this-gif-17150214

[icy mulch]

It's the combo of animation and sound (for me). It just feels lame to hit, even though we know it's a filler.

[smoky kayak]

like I get it, we're all competitive here

[shadow ibex]

Im saying there's better battles to pick

[smoky kayak]

but you gotta remember what the game is

[wicked slate]

I assume the slam hate is there because we thrive off huge crits, it's why we play the spec right? Slam doesn't hit hard and it doesn't look like it should hit hard either. It just feels like another auto attack imo

[smoky kayak]

just because you treat a game competitively doesn't mean it's solely a competitive game

[shadow ibex]

Its just bloat to me not even touching on how it feels

It feels vestigal

[eternal edge]

Plus, it's actually less bloat than other spells

[proper moth]

I think fundamentally arm should be a base kit of mortal strike, execute Colossus smash and Cleve/ww after that everything else is debatable

[smoky kayak]

I understand, which is why I said yes it may be plausible, but there are still other factors to consider (even if they aren't issues to you personally)

[high snow]

anything that doeant hit really hard feels bad for arms, which might be an obvious point but arms is supposed to have few and impactful damage numbers

[smoky kayak]

I think pretty much every class/spec says that about all of their abilities lmao

[jade ember]

Vestigial implies it doesn't have a use, but reinforcing fantasy and flavor is a use, you just may see no value in it. (No idea what we're talking about btw.)

[shadow ibex]

I think they can successfully still make it feel like execute

Just tie stuff to its use in exe range

[icy mulch]

Well, it sounds like a slap, not a slam. The fact it does tiny damage and sometimes needs to be hit 2-3 times is awful.

[shadow ibex]

At the very least try something radical

[wicked slate]

I think Slam having the same animation as execute wouldn't be a bad thing. Just add some red to it when it's execute

[shadow ibex]

Its always so safe

[eternal edge]

radical and safe are not friends if you check history but ok

[minor gust]

Slam would be a problem if it didn't do anything for us. It has more interactions in the arms kit than it ever has. Not every button needs to do the same damage

Things just need to have a purpose

[slim iron]

What radical thing would be good that they should do?

[minor gust]

And midnight slam has a purpose

[proper moth]

Give us hero/lust for one

[high snow]

id prefer skull banner

[warped solstice]

Sure, but I feel like that is the fantasy of Arms specifically. Big methodical hits. It doesn't live up to that fantasy as it stands today, IMHO.

[shadow ibex]

Is it not used like 5 times in the sample sim listed in the article?

[slim iron]

I agree warrior and "bloodlust" fit well together

[shadow ibex]

Idk if it has a purpose I'd its used 5 times natty

With the other casts being HS i assume

[jade ember]

If we had Skull Banner as a unique raid damage CD that was kind of a mini-lust and then they also maybe gave it to another spec/class or two it might be interesting, but idk if they want us to have to juggle more things for comps.

[high snow]

leave arns as is but give us skull banner and call it gg🥰

[wicked slate]

Yeah, no need to fix our damage

[minor gust]

Have you played the spec at all? Of course you are gonna hit it more than 5 times

[eternal edge]

delete rend
delete WW / cleave to be only one spell
start to think about something like BL but i like the idea of skull banner too

[warped solstice]

Just make skull banner lust. 🤔

[ornate helm]

Arms is fine just nerf everything else, problem sorted

[slim iron]

Yes i dont like ww and cleave for aoe. Only 1 aoe button needed

[wicked slate]

Arms as next support spec

[eternal edge]

like this Saurfang charge in Bfa Trailer

[shadow ibex]

Looking at sample sim posted in article

[jade ember]

Arms as a spec that uses shouts and rallying cries as Ebon Might buffs like it's a Bard or something lol

[shadow ibex]

Less slam casts than slayer strikes it looks like

[eternal edge]

still no blue posts

[minor gust]

26 casts is a lot different than 5 my guy

[rough phoenix]

Maybe they can make cleave replace ww if taken idk

[jovial hare]

haha yeah that'd be wild

[olive nest]

[sharp wyvern]

that would be crazy

[high snow]

give arms really powerful shouts that buff players and debuffs targets, give us movement speed and snare break shouts and lust and skull banner... this is the new support spec

[eternal edge]

100% trying to bait us

[minor gust]

5 casts a minute for your filler button is good...

[shadow ibex]

You said it did a lot tho, so 5 casts a minute

Whats it doing? Occasional give martial prowess

[eternal edge]

sorry but it's a lot for a filler mate, WE'RE NOT ROGUES

[sharp wyvern]

is it common knowledge that blue post happes today ?

[rough phoenix]

To be fair, I always thought a Field Marshal Warrior support spec with shouts WOULD be cool, as a different spec

[shadow ibex]

At 5 a minute thats a handful of seconds of cdr

[sharp wyvern]

where is this coming from

[shadow ibex]

Its more than 5 a minute tho cuz execute is used sub 35

[high snow]

that aspect of the warrior class has never fully been explored.. would be interesting to have a warrior support spec

[dire hinge]

we had banner briefly and they removed it bc it competed with Augvoker's identity

[shadow ibex]

People would probably hate banner

[sharp wyvern]

we didnt know aug was a thing at that point

it was DF beta

[shadow ibex]

Thats a total monkeys paw situation

[minor gust]

You can count up all the slam talents yourself and add DW to it while you're at it! HS is also slam they are the same thing

[shadow ibex]

If we had to use it at specific times

[smoky kayak]

ok, but how do you realize that fantasy? Arms doesn't actually play any slower than any other spec, so their hits can't just be arbitrarily bigger than anyone else's (in terms of total throughput, that is)

[slim iron]

What if they added "mortal strike increases the duration of your next whirlwind by 3 seconds and its damage by 30%"?

[shadow ibex]

Well yea we have to take them, the other options are aoe only talents

[minor gust]

Colo also casts slam significantly more

[shadow ibex]

Thats not exactly saying a lot

[smoky kayak]

that's one of the reasons Slam has historically been so weak - because all the power was put into big Mortal Strikes and Executes, which needs to be compensated for by weaker attacks elsewhere to achieve the same total output

[minor gust]

Your making up a problem with slam that doesn't exist

[dire hinge]

people often compare it to Great Sword in monster hunter wilds, but that entire class's design is around punishing you if you ever miss a swing or fail to ancipate an upcoming attack-- something WoW avoids

[slim iron]

Slam is low on priority why would it need to do a lot of damage

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, but Great Sword in Monster Hunter actually is slower than other weapon types

[wicked slate]

I really like the new blood dk consumption skill. I wouldn't be mad if it was an empowered cast on something like slam. Longer cast, more damage, more rage dump.

[proper moth]

Personally, I think arms just has too many buttons to damage profiles can be easily tuned, but there’s a way too many buttons

[shadow ibex]

60 apm arms

May you die please

[obsidian otter]

yeah the slowest so big hits make sense arms is fast its not classic arms where your just hitting big because you mostly just auto attack proc

[smoky kayak]

and while WoW has tried the "slow" attacking style of Arms several times, it's fallen flat every single time, because players generally hate sitting on their hands

[obsidian otter]

GS in MH is charged and slow hits

[eternal edge]

just play fury then

[smoky kayak]

the only way to make it work is to find a way to create a "slow" playstyle that doesn't also feel like standing around waiting for resources to do something

[eternal edge]

and they slow others spec that were too quick too

[dire hinge]

tbf, [wait-for-resources] is arms truest identity 😂

[high snow]

2h arms in TBC when sweeping strikes cleaves crit feels amazing.. thats what arms should feel like imo, very slow but the few hits it lands are devastating

[dim basalt]

As in, long ramps, which then causes other issues

[slim iron]

All I want to do is bladestorm for 75% of the time is that too much to ask? 🙁

[smoky kayak]

more like a lot of charged and channeled abilities

[dim basalt]

Or that

Last thing I want is a charged ability

[obsidian otter]

before massive nerf in beta it did 100% sweeping doing 450k MS crits felt insane

[minor gust]

The only way I can come up with is devaluing haste a little bit, and adding more channels or evoker style casts which is a touchy subject

[smoky kayak]

resource starvation alone doesn't really work, because as soon as there's a resource scalar (like certain boss effects), the spec's power skyrockets

[rough phoenix]

Charged like Empower you mean?

[smoky kayak]

something like that, sure

[rough phoenix]

I also thought that, but apparently in Melee it feels bad

[proper moth]

Almost like holy power for Warriors

[dense sphinx]

melee empower lmao

[minor gust]

Evoker style charge up works well enough as long as you can move and do it at the same time

[dense sphinx]

i mean i could fuck with it

[proper moth]

lol

[rough phoenix]

I know WW has an empower ability, and it is very controversial

[dense sphinx]

99% of wow playerbase wont

[minor gust]

It was fine when frost DK had it

[shadow ibex]

They can try again. The game surely has room for something different

[minor gust]

But they went back on it

[dim basalt]

They nerfed SW because of it lmao

[wicked slate]

You'd have to add a 10 yard gap closer to whatever it was that got added as you'd just walk away from it in pvp

[shadow ibex]

Maybe in the past no but with how many dps specs? Surely one could find a way to be 'slow'

[minor gust]

The intent would be you can cast it while moving

[rough phoenix]

Unless it was a finisher or something balanced for PvE over PvP?

[smoky kayak]

I mean hell people still complain about Bladestorm and Demolish, lmao

[warped solstice]

Spend rage to buff future MS. Basically bank rage. It's fine having smaller buttons like OP, but not to the detriment of MS damage, again, opinion mine.

[eager sable]

Hmmmm... bring back Nighthold Focused Rage. High apm, but low attacks. 🤔

[dim basalt]

Complaining about Arms BS is very understandable

[smoky kayak]

that's not playing slower, that's just having a bunch of weaker hits building into one strong one... which Slam already kinda does

[eternal edge]

ppl just don't remember slam then

[high snow]

dey forgot boutbslam

[minor gust]

No one wants casted slam back

[eternal edge]

you bet

[proper moth]

We can all agree that model strike, execute, and colossus smash should all really hit hard

[rough phoenix]

What about an empower that when released jumps to your target?

[proper moth]

How do you bounce around that? That’s the next question

[smoky kayak]

anyway, I'm not saying it's an infeasible problem to solve, but it would certainly involve an expansive rework, gambling on a playstyle that doesn't really exist elsewhere in WoW being positively received

[rough phoenix]

yes

[minor gust]

Like I said only way for arms to get that slow feeling back in modern wow is empowered spells and channels

[warped solstice]

Model strike.

[high snow]

100%

[shadow ibex]

Let artist be artist and fail sometimes

[proper moth]

Lmaooo

[shadow ibex]

Its been so safe and one note

[high snow]

mortal strike is the literal icon of the spec, it should be insane

[proper moth]

Agree

[eternal edge]

look about how many ppl hated fyralath casts

[minor gust]

Mortal strike goes up and down every other patch

[smoky kayak]

that's a really hard sell in big business that already work on a very fast tempo

[slim iron]

I'd rather they experiment than have arms doing less than bear damage

[smoky kayak]

I mean look at what happened when they tried "something new" with Augvoker

[rough phoenix]

So they'd make arms massively broken? Doesn't sound too bad kek

[wicked slate]

I don't exactly mind the current arms playstyle, I just hate that talent wise, it's so polarized between ST and AoE. My favourite thing about it is it isn't subject to the 45 sec / 1m 30s cd windows

[sharp wyvern]

to be honest there are a lot of issues with a bunch of specs arms is just at the bottom which is why it feels like its just us
if arms was topping meters with the same gameplay no one would complain

[tender knot]

it's a bit late in the day for those tunings notes huh fellas

[minor gust]

Not really no

[slim iron]

Its only lunch time in hollywood

[sharp wyvern]

they need more time for the arms rework so let them cook

[high snow]

arms gameplay if you take away the numbers feels good.. but its a numbers game

[rough phoenix]

eh don't know, I did see ptr flash up on my screen with an update about 20mins ago

[dense sphinx]

there aint gonna be a rework

[kindred breach]

wasn't augmentation meant to make way for a fourth role? or was that just my imagination?

[eternal edge]

yup.

[rough phoenix]

yeah, as much as I think a small rework might help, there won't be one now

[wicked slate]

Change apex, buff numbers, call it a day

[high snow]

just needs aura buff

[slim iron]

I can see it now "arms 3% aura buff" and then they will wipe their hands clean and call it a day

[sharp wyvern]

changing the apex is a rework in my book

[high snow]

thicc aura buff

[proper moth]

I think if we kept execute mortal strike in Colossus smash is a big hitting abilities than things like overpower and slam are fine being weak, but they should also maybe provide damage apps I know how overpowered already does for mortal strike . Maybe to broaden that out to execute and CS aswell? Just throwing ideas out there

Sorry TTS is cheeks

[rough phoenix]

WW just got apex changes in 12.0.5, so maybe

[minor gust]

The only thing that's gonna happen for the 17th is aura changes. No actual talent changes

[wicked slate]

Just add avatar to the apex for a simple, temporary fix 😄

[mortal rivet]

You don’t know that

Hold on hope

[eternal edge]

like i said before
Don't expect buffs for 17th, probably 24th

[high snow]

its kinda late for major talent changes, maybe in s2.. right now i just hope we get a juicy aura buff

[minor gust]

Yes I do because it's too late. They don't do changes like that without testing. The time for testing is over

This is the tuning period

[kindred breach]

would apex 4th point be a major talent change?

[shadow ibex]

5 dw a minute btw

[proper moth]

Maybe .5 patch they’ve already shown some talent changes

[kindred breach]

not sure the windwalker apex changes are major

[eternal edge]

it can be depending the change

[rough phoenix]

we're on the "we'll get buffed in 12.0.5" part of the copium cycle

[minor gust]

[high snow]

i can see blizzard giving us a 20% aura buff.. on april 1st

[eternal edge]

i think more next season tbh but eh

[kindred breach]

yeah, i'm sure if it became a flat damage buff it wouldn't be that huge of a change

[wicked yoke]

If they were gonna release the 17th notes today, wouldnt they be out by now?

[slim iron]

No talent changes only some numbers adjustments. Only question is whether they have the stones to have the tuning give big enough numbers

[proper moth]

Just make use like spriests in legion give us crazy dmg if we run out of resource we die and it’s balanced cause we’d deserve it😂

[rough phoenix]

I think that given that Arms is in such a horrible position, they may prioritise it (they won't 😢 )

[minor gust]

They can come out anytime before they leave work

[kindred breach]

i have to say that the cdr aspect of apex 4th point is surprising considering this is the expansion where most if not all the cdr was supposed to be trimmed

[minor gust]

We have gotten notes at 8 est many times

[proper moth]

Our set bonuses aren’t that crazy right? I’ve forgotten what they are

[wicked slate]

Extend CS with MS/Cleave

[eternal edge]

remember that they're on the LA time

[proper moth]

We have 4 more hours for notes to drop

[eternal edge]

the end of the day is not yet for them

[obsidian otter]

im not excited for more bad news on friday lol

[proper moth]

Lmaooo

Never know but we’ll see

[dense sphinx]

what was the previous biggest aura buff

guardian 60% right?

[warped solstice]

It's Friday the 13th. 💀

[obsidian otter]

i know ..

[proper moth]

Bad news for everyone else😎

[rough phoenix]

inb4 Arms 120% aura buff

[dense sphinx]

im not greedy

[high snow]

on apr 1st

[warped solstice]

There's no shot we are getting a 60% aura buff. Lol.

[dense sphinx]

ill settle for 61%

[proper moth]

We’ll get 4.20%

[eternal edge]

we won't have auras buffs.

[dense sphinx]

actually i agree

they cant give a flat aura buff to arms

[slim iron]

60% aura buff would be the biggest buff of all time?

[high snow]

6-7%

[dense sphinx]

i expect alot of buffs to ST abilities

[warped solstice]

Just buff MS and Execute 500%.

[proper moth]

Ez

[high snow]

mortal strike damage increased by 150% and reduces the cooldown of BS/ ravager by 1 second

[eternal edge]

execute need so much more dmg i agree

[dense sphinx]

they might be willing to give execute a big buff since they removed reap from it

[eternal edge]

it's not done yet so we hope that @minor gust post will poke them enough to stop it

[high snow]

execute hasnt felt good since nerub ar palace

[minor gust]

That's for 12.05 not the 17th tuning

We got 2 months to get SD change reverted

[warped solstice]

My Arms fantasy is doing tank damage for 80% of the fight and then rocketing to the top during Execute phase.

[minor gust]

Echo of neltharian DF s2 moment

[kindred breach]

sd change with nothing to bring up st at all is just tragic

[obsidian otter]

if you wanna feel how bad it feels without SD reap on 12.05 PTR its up and you can copy your 90 character to it and see how bad it is 🙁

[shadow ibex]

long shot slayer delete

and replace with a fun hero spec

[fossil root]

Why is our Apex talent final perk is so … strange?

[shadow ibex]

they really like CS uptime for us

[kindred breach]

nothing strange about it

[jaunty drift]

They’ll do what they usually do and overbuff the fuck out of us then put us back into the shitter

They don’t know what balance is

lol

[kindred breach]

it's just a clear sign to stay away from it

[stable socket]

do warriors get dev notes I would love to hear them talk about the mentality behind all of the recent class changes

[weak rain]

its personal vendetta

arms warrior is the most john spec

[high snow]

they must have character templates for the end of the season.. thata my cope

[weak rain]

not acceptable in woke company

[jaunty drift]

Arms has been removed and replaced by a new spec: Legs

[high snow]

legs are stronger than arms.. should be Wrists

[sonic flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1404607648367775854/884dae019b604034a488bde11a71bd29.gif

[minor gust]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision/2270878/19
Lots of new ppl typing in here today. Make sure to voice your complaints in here

[mortal rivet]

Wait there’s notes today?

[proper moth]

I think the colossus spec is the right direction

[mortal rivet]

I thought it was Tuesday and next Friday

[high snow]

it was a slight colossus buff no?

[shadow ibex]

i dream of slayer dying

[proper moth]

Should get notes though

[sharp wyvern]

collosus should have been the ST option

why is the bladestorm spec a ST spec

[shadow ibex]

maybe BS can actually do aoe dmg without reap

[proper moth]

Cause the warrior dev is the warlock dev

[sharp wyvern]

they both have "war" in them

its the war dev

[unreal halo]

the real question is, is the war dev a human being?

feels like chatgpt is writing our paragraph

[naive crescent]

where the FUCK are the patch notes

[obsidian otter]

HUMANS have best damage racial idk what else he would be

[proper moth]

Probably a redditor that does pet battles and RP in golshire all day

[proper moth]

I think chat would do a better job tbh

[unreal halo]

the real reason of our spot being so low is that garrosh, a warrior arms, called silvanas the B word, and now we pay for that

[sharp wyvern]

i actually would like to know if some human that plays warror designed our 4th apex talent

[shadow ibex]

just phoned it in

just throw CS cdr on it

[unreal halo]

the solution to our lack of St dmg, cleave buffs incoming

[shadow ibex]

probably through it up on lunch break

[stoic oyster]

it should reduce the cd of ravager or bladestorm, but even then..

[proper moth]

Blizzard could just copy paste legion arms rn and use the artifact talent tree as out talent tree and it would be the biggest dub of this century

[shadow ibex]

needs to go back to the drawing board

but they dont have enough time

[sharp wyvern]

im personally not a fan of focused rage

fuck legion arms

[stoic oyster]

thats true, maybe for next season

[obsidian otter]

changing the SD reap thing right before season is crazy as well.. idk any design change should be happening right now other then damage tuning

[sharp wyvern]

your nostalgia is blinding you

[proper moth]

It was cheeks at the start of the expac

Don’t disagree

[obsidian otter]

most people already locked into and use to the current gameplay they launched with midnight to change it this early so fast idk

[stoic oyster]

they made mortal wounds even worse lol how did they do that

[sharp wyvern]

for some guilds the gameplay of fury/arms is gonna change before they are throught prog

[shadow ibex]

i didnt play leg but we havent had a real design since then

[sharp wyvern]

people say BFA season 3 was good

[slate grail]

its fri 13th and ppl expect good patch notes. we are doomed

[sharp wyvern]

thats where i didnt play

[shadow ibex]

just a bunch of procs

[proper moth]

I mean WOD HFC arms was pretty lit

[shadow ibex]

BFA s3 was cool interaction yea but everyone was fun in BFA s3 probably

[unreal halo]

last notes where so shit i can only imagine the reason for it being we are getting buffed

but the hopium is insane

[sharp wyvern]

this is actually true

[shadow ibex]

thats just legion lite

you had CS reset

[sharp wyvern]

its legion without the annoying shit

[shadow ibex]

only you needed a trinket

[jaunty drift]

Legion arms in Tomb was

[slate grail]

-arms buffed 42%

• dk nerf 30%
• bear nerf 50%
  -brew nerf 20%
  anything less is doomed

[hexed parrot]

did we expect class tuning today for the 17th?

[unreal halo]

gl with that hahahah

[gusty nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/aerosmith-dream-on-steve-tyler-rock-music-i-your-dreams-gif-21713693

[jaunty drift]

I just expected them to snort somthing other then pure retardium personally

[hallow quail]

The problem is even if arms catch’s a 50% aura buff our spec is literally not good to play.

[river ridge]

Yes, but we haven't seen it yet

[unreal halo]

with a 100 its even with the dk

[olive nest]

Word of the day: retardium

😂

[jaunty drift]

Whoever develops arms can identify window type by the taste

[sharp wyvern]

if DK gets nerfed by 30% its still decent

[timid saffron]

lmao

the devs have to be in here laughing their asses off

i would be

[river ridge]

Oh they for sure have seen the memes

[timid saffron]

they probably stream this discord at work

[sharp wyvern]

if they would be in here they would know how to make arms better

[river ridge]

Probably shared at a group meeting

By a community manager

[timid saffron]

that would be hilarious, just a screen in the office that just streams warrior tears XD

[stoic oyster]

arms dev team

[sharp wyvern]

so your saying these arms changes are just ragebait so they can laugh

[timid saffron]

at this point it has to be

[proper moth]

I feel like we’re always the ones that get trolled/ragebaited

[river ridge]

No, I'm saying they like looking at memes the community makes.

[jaunty drift]

We are a class based on rage

1+1 surely =2

[proper moth]

True

[sharp wyvern]

again
they would know what we think of it

[stoic oyster]

oh im fucking enraged trust me

[sharp wyvern]

so they wouldnt double down and remove the 1 thing we actually like

[river ridge]

Just because they hear our feedback, doesn't mean they have to agree with it

[neon hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-successful-another-another-successful-ragebait-black-gif-18435710051418180311

blizzard pov

[river ridge]

I agree its a dumb change.

[stoic oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-loud-scream-girl-kid-hispanic-girl-gif-3761151244536557927

[sharp wyvern]

true the customer is always wrong

[proper moth]

MS should make you cream a lil when you push it and we should be the premier execute class it was always our thing now everyone has it and it’s better

[sharp wyvern]

we litteraly have THE execute button

and they wont allow us to be good in execute

remember the S2 nerfs in TWW

[river ridge]

"Your audience is good at recognizing problems and bad at solving them. " - Mark Rosewater

[sharp wyvern]

this would still mean theey know the issues

[halcyon valve]

The emotional rollercaster of having a great time hitting a big demolish in a trash pull, followed by a miserable 1.5 minutes of being the lowest dps on a boss

[proper moth]

😩

[olive nest]

• Omega fk in the opener via colossus smash + Condem
• medium peaks mid boss with colossus smash + mortal strikes
• omega fatality pop + colossus smash + Condem execute sub 20%

[rough phoenix]

To be fair, this is generally true. It's just in this particular instance, the warrior dev is also shit at solving them.

[olive nest]

Peak arms design

[sharp wyvern]

fuck fatality

[river ridge]

Correct. They just have a different opinon about how it should be solved. We can disagree with it that decision they make, but they may be working with information or intention that we don't understand.

[proper moth]

Fatality gets worse with faster boss kills

[olive nest]

Boss hits execute phase and losses 2% hp from the arms warrior pop

[river ridge]

That doesn't make them right or you right

[olive nest]

Imagine

[sharp wyvern]

the apex talent for arms had issues since beta started and they didnt do anything
i dont belive at this point they know what issues this spec has to begin with
they are fixing issues we dont even see rn

[river ridge]

I agree, this is an awful change in our current context.

[sharp wyvern]

you know how you can calm the player base down ?
by explaining certain design changes with a dev post on top of the changes

[shadow ibex]

Thats never been the case with us tho

The biggest bit of communication was at start of alpha when we want to remove cooldown stacking so roar was gone and ravager

[river ridge]

I agree, and would love to see more communication on that front.

[olive nest]

That’s never been the case because the reason is always dog water

[shadow ibex]

Now ravager is back again for nothing

[proper moth]

I wish we had a good feedback loop with the developers

[rough phoenix]

Arms Warrior damage nerfed by 20%

Dev notes: Fuck you

[river ridge]

Like we know that Avatar is a big do nothing amp abilitiy, but people in PVP begged for it to return.

[sharp wyvern]

this would unironically givee us more context than we got the last year

[shadow ibex]

There was 0% chance arms was shipping with only 1 cooldown

[river ridge]

We woulda been fine with just CS lol

[shadow ibex]

Better luck seeing the death of the universe

[shadow ibex]

And 0% chance we ship with just that

[sharp wyvern]

but our hero talents have CD synergies

[river ridge]

Disagree, but that kinda proves my point. All of us have different opinions on how a spec should be changed for the better.

[olive nest]

CS being the only cooldown would have been fine

[shadow ibex]

I think its possible with a huge cs rework

[olive nest]

They could just bake the 20% Ava into it

[sharp wyvern]

im not sayint having less CDs is bad im saying they cant just remove a CD at this point without changing how hero talents work for both specs

[shadow ibex]

I just think it was very clear by that time in beta that we wouldn't see such a cs rework

Its for sure possible. But not during that beta cycle

[sharp wyvern]

having 1 strong CD instead of 2 or 3 would actually be nice

[olive nest]

I second that

[proper moth]

Less buttons is better a lot of these things can be baked into other abilities or talents

[shadow ibex]

I dont think ravager needs to exist

[olive nest]

Apex wouldn’t be a problem with Ava gone

[shadow ibex]

I think most can agree with that

And I personally think CS could transform to demolish/BS depending on if you take colossus or slayer

[proper moth]

Yep

[sharp wyvern]

the less cDs and the more jsutified the flat dmg curve becomes

[proper moth]

Devourer DH is a great template for that

[shadow ibex]

Idt bs needs to exist outside of the hero tree since BS is 1000% unusable as anything but slayer

[olive nest]

That in the other hand I do not want

Flat profile stinks

[proper moth]

Meta turns into Collapsing star

[sharp wyvern]

well thats what we got

[proper moth]

But worse

[sharp wyvern]

didnt say it was good

[proper moth]

Lmao

[shadow ibex]

Idt you need cs avatar demolish and bladestorm

Id merge the spec cd into hero spec cd

At the very least idk why BS is in the spec tree

Its impossible to use as colossus

[olive nest]

With a bit more thought, I don’t necessarily know how much I’d advocate for one giant cd button tbh, I kind of like tracking and playing around multiple but maybe that’s just me

[sharp wyvern]

slayer used avatar during prepatch tho

[olive nest]

But that said, still I think Ava is redundant and boring at this point

[sharp wyvern]

so there is choice

[olive nest]

But having demolish and Bladestorm as CDs is nice

[stoic oyster]

i'm liking ravager too.. lining up some fat cleaves with mortal combo

[shadow ibex]

with no iftk i can do without cs

rn only good thing about it is cc

but thats because nothing does dmg

[mortal rivet]

No demo nerf?

[lyric hound]

Things I want that will never happen

1.) Warrior gets Bloodlust
2.) Rend attached to MS on any %
3.) CS activates Sweeping Strikes for MT
4.) Demolish sync with Avatar

I like Avatar even though it is boring. But just a 30% aura would be nice cause I think it plays well even if its archaic compared to reworked specs

[sharp wyvern]

warlocks havnt showed their sims so people dont know they are broken

[slate grail]

everyone knows they're broken, didnt know need to include in meme patch notes

[gusty nymph]

👍

[tawdry quail]

I was happy with a aura buff too, until they went ahead and announced that cleave won’t put wounds anymore and sudden death doesn’t proc reap the storm anymore

Now it’s gonna feel shit to play

[sharp wyvern]

what aura buff ?

[proper moth]

It’s okay we still have colossus the real arms spec

We need to get right of a bunch of buttons tho

[sharp wyvern]

only rend

[lyric hound]

I think SS is dumb to hit tbh. These like weird psuedo-maintnance buffs are something blizz systamatically has been pruning

[sharp wyvern]

SS has gotten one of the best changes in midnight wdym

[lyric hound]

yeah i feel for slayer, but i play col so

[gusty nymph]

Tote

[lyric hound]

SS is a good button, its just dumb to hit. it should just be baked into CS imo

[jovial hare]

ss should cast cleave on use

[sharp wyvern]

that would get us to some cringe optimization

"i cant use CS for ST cause i need it when the adds appear"

[slow saddle]

Dude

[jovial hare]

[slow saddle]

Broadstrokes should just make ss passive

Its in the name

[lyric hound]

i think its clearly a talent choice to fix that issue

[sharp wyvern]

[gusty nymph]

This!!!

[olive nest]

Prot talent

[slow saddle]

So with ss its 6 targets!!!!

[sharp wyvern]

arms coded prot talent

[shadow ibex]

[lyric hound]

even better lol

[slow saddle]

I mean atm the whole overlap shit

Is just annoyin

[olive nest]

Swapping to the highest hp council boss within execute range to make the fight last longer

[slow saddle]

Or let 12 + 12 = 24

[olive nest]

Aware

[gusty nymph]

The overlap is terribad

[mortal rivet]

Yeah but now imagine it off the gcd

[slow saddle]

First 12 are

[sharp wyvern]

where is this sweeping strikes hate coming from ?

the fuck

[slow saddle]

I like it i dislike that its not logical

[gusty nymph]

So stupid. Those maintenance buttons are outdated

[lyric hound]

i think its just an outdated talent

[slow saddle]

Nono

[lyric hound]

i dont hate it lol

[rose ibex]

I like that its basically up all the time now

[slow saddle]

Sweep is core

If they just make em add up

Im gucci

[proper moth]

We have MS Exe OP CS Slam Rend WW Cleave BS/Demo SS. This doesn’t even include all the defensive and niche utility skills we have too much

[manic quest]

It should cast something on use, the same exact reason they made rogue's blade flurry do it.

[olive nest]

Sweep must stay it’s a core identity of arms

[rose ibex]

Feel like I never run out of stacks on ss anyways

[mortal rivet]

Wdym it’s on the gcd

[olive nest]

2 target connoisseur

[proper moth]

SS should work like blade flurry tbh

Toggle it

[slow saddle]

Not from cs

[manic quest]

Frost mage is better 2 target too, we cant have anything 😤

[rose ibex]

I wish it did something when you activated it

[lyric hound]

i think SS as BF would be good too. its just not a "meaningful" button

[mortal rivet]

Fair but that’s how it should be, the actual ability isn’t

[gusty nymph]

Core will have to change or we ll keep having a class that is poorly integrated and that requires 5 buttons click to start doing dps

[slow saddle]

Nor does it need to

[lyric hound]

same reason rend should be baked into MS tbh. too many buttons to balance creates the gap we have now from a design point

[proper moth]

Legit need a rework should have no more than 4 buttons for the core rotation

[slow saddle]

No

This is like the dumbest shit ive heard

[lyric hound]

thats your opinion big dog lol, blizz clearly disagrees you can see it all of their reworks

[sharp wyvern]

so only rend needs to go the other button are all CDs

[slow saddle]

Rend is a simple uptime ability

That allows u to use on pulls

[gusty nymph]

You sound like someone non judgemtal and respectfull of other people opinions

[wicked yoke]

I am just sitting here waiting for the class tunning notes, really hoping we get them today

[slow saddle]

I am to a certain point

But all this i csnt play with 5 buttons

Is dumb

[gusty nymph]

If that is your point, it is pretty low. Dont go outside…

[slow saddle]

Only issue for arms is bloated cd

S not rotation

[lyric hound]

you can think its dumb but its the direction they are moving the design is that direction because the other way is too hard to balance

[proper moth]

Wouldn’t really call them CDs agree to disagree here but even with that being said still too many buttons

[slow saddle]

Its not balance

[sharp wyvern]

bloated CDS while having a flat dmg profile btw

[slow saddle]

Its they think new players are dumb

[lyric hound]

it is balance. every ability needs to be tuned to a damage profile.

[slow saddle]

Thats why

[shadow ibex]

in theory flat gets rewarded with good dmg on good uptime bosses

[stoic oyster]

demolish should charge and stun the target

[sharp wyvern]

but also gets punished the most for doing mechanics

[lyric hound]

the more abilities = the more variables = harder to balance = more likely overtune/undertune

[slow saddle]

Lets take rend. Baking it into ms reduces nothing dmg wise

[slow saddle]

Again no

[lyric hound]

you got it bro lol

[slow saddle]

Variables come from their stubborn hero talents

Forcing routes more than rend

[proper moth]

Should be Exe, MS, CS, OP, Cleave/WW as the base kit

[sharp wyvern]

imo rend only puts friction into the rotation

[shadow ibex]

curious what they will do with .5

[sharp wyvern]

its not about numbers for me

[icy atlas]

MoP Deep Wounds, would definitely get behind that

[slow saddle]

What is life without friction

[shadow ibex]

idt rend needs to exist i rather just have meatier deep wound

[sharp wyvern]

any other spec basically

[proper moth]

Rend is a stupid button that doesn’t need to exist

MS should apply it

[shadow ibex]

thats just DW when ms crits

[stoic oyster]

bleeds need to hit like 50% harder

[slow saddle]

Uh dk has it

[stoic oyster]

and faster

[sharp wyvern]

how?

[deft gazelle]

yo when the helly do we get to see the 17th patch notes

[proper moth]

Leave it that way arms isn’t a bleed spec feral is

[slow saddle]

Its called gettin diseases up

[sharp wyvern]

its 1 button press during the pull and you refresh it with one of your main buttons

[slow saddle]

Not for all no

[sharp wyvern]

rend needs to be pressed every time it falls of

[icy atlas]

Don’t see a problem with strong bleeds, as long as you don’t have to think about it

[stoic oyster]

arms always been bleed spec

[shadow ibex]

make DW fuck

[proper moth]

Strong bleeds means weak abilities

[shadow ibex]

or rend idc

and kill the other

[proper moth]

Can’t have both

[sharp wyvern]

if OP or MS had a chance to refresh rend i wouldnt have as big of a problem with it

[slow saddle]

Best we can do is a 33% nerf to dw

[icy atlas]

We used to :S

[sharp wyvern]

i would just gamble

[proper moth]

Damage profiles were simple back then we have like 500 modifiers to everything

[slow saddle]

Ikr

[shadow ibex]

with flat you can have both ur not spiking every 3mins

[slow saddle]

Rend is one of the simplest tunes

Decidd how big a % u want it go be done

As it does not interact with anythin👌

[shadow ibex]

ill just take a bigger DW and rend can die

[proper moth]

True. I think general consensus would be big number>bleed

[shadow ibex]

keep DW on crits cuz crit is the most fun stat

[proper moth]

True

[shadow ibex]

the crit/mast dream

[proper moth]

What it used to be

[sharp wyvern]

btw i wish rend would work likee virulent plague
only press it if you lose downtime or once on pull

[proper moth]

Bro AoE rend on fury is stupid as shit why was rend even given to fury

[sharp wyvern]

cause its in the class tree

[slow saddle]

Y to that i agree

[sharp wyvern]

and talent trees are dumb

[proper moth]

Just delete it from the game

[slow saddle]

Ofc

Warrior tree is horrid

[proper moth]

Rend is a dumb button

Idk how many times we gonna see heroic strike leave and comeback

[sharp wyvern]

it took them all this time to realize fury presses rend
so in the .5 patch they just make ww apply it

[obsidian otter]

disconect

[lyric hound]

yeah and arms needs it because its the ultimate expression of skill lmao

[proper moth]

New content! We gave you a button that we took away previously back!!🫨 🫨 🫨

[sharp wyvern]

no its cause its one of those nostalgic abilities people would get upset about getting deleted

[slow saddle]

I just think a spec without any friction is booring. And only works

Coz the specs are op

[lyric hound]

i heard they make a version of the game for that lol

[proper moth]

The friction should be from the encounter not your spec

[gusty nymph]

If u want friction, get on onlyfans… we are talking about a rpg here 🤪

[sharp wyvern]

maintenace buffs/debufsf are just boring

[proper moth]

We also have the shortest range of all melee and at a disadvantage for being melee that’s enough friction

[slow saddle]

No

Its an mmo

[sharp wyvern]

maybe warrior justhas too much friction between procs rage starving and rend all at the same time

[gusty nymph]

Can be both…

[lyric hound]

literally dk surv hunter and ret pally can dps from 10+ yards away and were trying to keep a maintenance buff, insanity lol

[spark harbor]

Am I supposed to be running aspirants sigil or medallion for my cc trinket?

[slow saddle]

Ofc but rpg isnt the centre of this

[spark harbor]

I saw Ivey veins says medallion but someone told me sigil

Icey

[proper moth]

UNH DK can dps at 30 yds lmao

[slow saddle]

I mean arms from range.makes little sense

[proper moth]

You’re missing the point

[slow saddle]

Not rly?

[spark harbor]

Any tips appreciated

[sharp wyvern]

how does rend make this spec more fun ?

[lyric hound]

agreed. that wasnt the point

[shadow ibex]

wrecking throw does big dam

[slow saddle]

Yes

[proper moth]

We have enough friction your rotation and abilities should smooth and intuitive

[boreal remnant]

Warrior's niche: shield damage

Outside of shadow ig

[sharp wyvern]

can you explain why fury gets some qol and get rend on ww but arms has to keep pressing rend
if friction is good why even give them qol changes ?

[boreal remnant]

🔮

[slow saddle]

Because rend obviously was a mistake

[daring heron]

isn't our niche to tank unreasonable nerfs and very questionable design changes

[slow saddle]

As fury🤣

[lyric hound]

lol i wouldnt hate it. its called arms. you have 2 arms, we have 1 weapon. i wouldnt hate a glad rendition lol

[obsidian otter]

we have always pressed rend or thundercalp for our bleed spread 🙁 fury getting it shouldnt even of gotten it

[boreal remnant]

You might be onto something here

[proper moth]

Just give arms the legion priest treatment.
Give us 500% dmg amp if we stop dps for more than 5 seconds we die

Ez

[boreal remnant]

So fun

[sharp wyvern]

the priest treatment would mean a rework every patch

[proper moth]

That’s rogues lol

[sharp wyvern]

the pvp class ?

[proper moth]

That’s dumpstering us yes

[sharp wyvern]

wait i thought rogues are pretty forgotten and bad

[proper moth]

Sub slaps

They took the stealth requirements away from their abilities

[slow saddle]

I played with a outlaw

It slapped as well

[proper moth]

Outlaw slaps too

Bro we’re losing to the class that using butter knives😩

[lyric hound]

and slice and dice maintenance from outlaw in tww 🔥

[proper moth]

That’s actually crazy

[sharp wyvern]

we used to have less range than the spec with knifes

[slow saddle]

Ofc

They use 2

[proper moth]

Lmao

[slow saddle]

We have 1 weapon

Must be reason soon dw arms

[sharp wyvern]

we are the spec that roots itself when using a CD

[proper moth]

Truuu

[slow saddle]

U can leap away !

Semi r00t

[proper moth]

😮

[sharp wyvern]

lemix was actually dope cause of that

[slow saddle]

I pray for col 2 be the raid spec

[sharp wyvern]

i never understood why the bladestorm hero talent is the ST one

[slow saddle]

Nobody knows man

[sharp wyvern]

it would bee so much easier to balance reap if it was the aoe spec insteaed of col

[slow saddle]

Problem is

Its bladestorm and exe

Thats where they fucked up

[sharp wyvern]

but we dont have rage for execute anyway

right now

[slow saddle]

Ikr

Its a fukin joke

But design wise. U choose our best st and aoe abilities

In theory at least

U then have 2 force bladestorm in st

[sharp wyvern]

i long for the times where we didnt use bladestorm in raid

[slow saddle]

Ofx

Bladestorm in sl was fine

[sharp wyvern]

signet was ass tho

[slow saddle]

U used if rage starved

Nah man

Roll the dice

[sharp wyvern]

im not a rogue

i dont like dice

[slow saddle]

🤣

Ngl agreed was fun.

[umbral badger]

DAMN, you guys are still going hard with the memes! i like it.

[torn rivet]

https://i.imgflip.com/akyttb.gif

[sage bison]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

[slender sonnet]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgis9.gif

[minor gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1481991857369255996/GIF_20260313_122512_444.gif

[river ridge]

Oh thats great

[cobalt lodge]

so how are we feeling about the more or less no buff/maybe even nerf changes for 12.0.5? all copium on hopes for the 17th?

[vagrant hull]

People are really hoping for notes today

[minor gust]

Pretty much anything from 12.05 is complete ass

[dire hinge]

it was a nerf yes. I think colossus got very slightly stronger but overall we got set back

[minor gust]

As far as tuning for the 17th doesn't really matter anymore

IDC about tuning if they are doing everything they can to kill the good gameplay we had for 12.05

[rose ibex]

Slam 10% increased damage

[cobalt lodge]

its also funny that they will release balance notes for the 17th on the 17th which is when raids open. so if arms is still dogshit, gl lol

[minor gust]

More than likely notes will be posted today

They don't surprise release notes the day of

[river ridge]

But EOD for the week is coming up in two hours...

[minor gust]

Latest if for whatever reason they are super behind on shit notes will release monday

[cobalt lodge]

why would they post balance notes on a saturday

[minor gust]

But even then that's like ahhh shit they super behind

Brother today is Friday

[torn rivet]

yea, blizz goes by NA timings

so, it is friday for blizzard

[minor gust]

It's currently 2pm Friday at the blizzard office

[torn rivet]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgis9.gif

[proper moth]

Imagine us dooming in here and the patch notes drop with a rework

[hoary palm]

We have too many procs for rend to be included. It doesn’t make sense and it’s annoying

[river ridge]

3PM actually

[proper moth]

3pm I’m in California

[minor gust]

Oopsie you right

[proper moth]

2 hours left

[hoary palm]

Maintaining bleeds make sense on rogue where you set up and plan for burst windows.

[river ridge]

Isn't DLS so much fun?

[minor gust]

So much fun

[proper moth]

I think the bots gonna drop notes last second so they can clock out and go home and avoid the heat

[minor gust]

They got like 2 hours to drop them or else it's a cursed Monday note drop

[proper moth]

Yeahhh

[tawdry quail]

I believe

[torn rivet]

where are the patch notes

[proper moth]

Chat GTP still writing them up

[minor gust]

How much wow gold you want to wager on that belief?

[kindred breach]

https://giphy.com/gifs/sad-crying-tear-6qFFgNgextP9u

[paper umbra]

What if its a nerf?

[proper moth]

Nothing changes lmao

[kindred breach]

what can they even nerf anymore at this point

battle shout range?

[sharp wyvern]

lots of things

like dreadnaught

[minor gust]

It's either gonna be an aura buff or a aura nerf

Ride the 50/50

[scenic cedar]

status quo

[torn rivet]

im so sick of this f**king company man

REWORK THE GOD DAMN SPEC

https://tenor.com/view/orc-sadorc-zuug-gif-18395942

[scenic cedar]

not this addon. not this 12..
after midnight maby. i dont believe into rework in a middle of addon

[dire hinge]

they've done it the last few expansions for other specs, so it's not unheard of

but yeah hopes aren't high for that level of attention

[scenic cedar]

we can go into blizz official discord and start crying

maby they hear us lol

or FOTM reroll into DK

[umbral badger]

this is exactly why we keep getting cooked, every time they do a full or mini rework we are at the very bottom. we need buffs, not reworks.

[scenic cedar]

all 200k users kek

[minor gust]

All feedback is to be posted here.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision/2270878/19

Send all your complaints about this dogshit spec in here

[sharp wyvern]

i have this weird feeling you are getting baited by incomplete patch notes with this

should have waited until after the rwf tuning is done