arms

[slow saddle]

120%

[oak kite]

omg server shutdown in 15.

they are nerfing arms again

[slow saddle]

Nono,its just movin profile

👌

[tight wing]

everyone start screaming BUFF ARMS! lol

[fresh spire]

It's jover

[eternal edge]

who will play arms wtv happens 17th? 🙋

[tight wing]

it depends on the tuning we get, but probably

[olive nest]

I want a raid spot

So gg arms

[tight wing]

I may end up playing prot

[eternal edge]

i'm ready to play fury if RL told me to switch tho

but i'll try arms first

[tight wing]

I can't play fury to save my life -_-

[eternal edge]

and praydge

[tight wing]

TILL THE BITTER END!

[eternal edge]

[pale kayak]

so did arms just get more nerfed announced? thats kinda funny

[hardy hill]

I really want to play arms, but isnt a very competitive option on m+ right?

[olive nest]

Are you doing bleeding edge rank 1 keys?

If not send arms if you prefer it

[hardy hill]

I want to push high keys with my premade but idk if play arms is trolling xDD

[sudden topaz]

you wont know for sure until the notes for the 17th are released

hopefully today

[pale kayak]

watch arms just get giga buffed into SS+ tier

[fresh spire]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

[hardy hill]

lets see if we get some buffs hahaha, I prefer arms over fury

[fresh spire]

Buffs won't save jt from the imminent fucking of sd

[tight wing]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

[hardy hill]

hahahahaha

[olive nest]

We didn’t have sd reap before

I’m still ballin

[pale kayak]

if not the discord is getting closed lmao

[olive nest]

Increase my mortal strike and execute by about 40% each

[hardy hill]

XDDD

[olive nest]

[marble valve]

why was arm nerfed in the first place?

[hardy hill]

no one knows hahaha

[pale kayak]

cuz funny

[hardy hill]

probably a hater of arms warrior on the balance team

[sudden topaz]

the last balancing arms received before the expansion went live, everyone was expecting buffs and it got nerfed again lolol

[pale kayak]

went from very bad to meme tier for like no reason

[hardy hill]

yep

[marble valve]

unreal

[frosty lava]

arms is just practicing dps meditation

we'll reach nirvana later

[olive nest]

Using sd to proc reap was to much aoe for them apparently

They saw arms doing 12k single target and 300k aoe

[eternal edge]

arms is housing spec
remember it

[last nebula]

I miss cataclysm arms those were the days

[olive nest]

Gotta nerf that for sure

[pale kayak]

like Just ductape a sword to fucking roomba at this point.

[frosty lava]

warriors still scale dont we guys?
totally isn't a classic thing right guys?

[fresh spire]

Scale? We ain't evokers

[frosty lava]

oh my bad

we still plate

right guys

[shadow ibex]

Still gonna be bad after 17th

[eternal edge]

tomorrow they will annouce that they bring back slam from vanilla with a cast time on it

[frosty lava]

need to nerf demolish to heal enemies

actually just make arms an enemy healing spec

[fresh spire]

Omw to cast rend in cd

[frosty lava]

first of its kind

[fresh spire]

Or cleave instead

[eternal edge]

you wish mate aha

[pale kayak]

the fucking slayer nerf makes no damn sense like why

[manic quest]

I was not expecting nerfs, ill say that much. LOL

[radiant dawn]

your mistake

you should've been

[last nebula]

Does anyone with a amd gpu ( I have 9070 xt) know if it’s better to activate driver anti lag feature or wow’s in game built in anti latency

[eternal edge]

you're playing wow

don't activate any of them

[last nebula]

Why? Wouldn’t reduced input lag be good, unless it actually decreases performance

[spiral coral]

You only want anti-latency for potato computers

[tight wing]

it was being used too much, because it was a DPS loss in AoE but smoother gameplay so OF COURSE one of the only reasons the worst spec in the game gets played at all was nerfed

[spiral coral]

Or if your playing on a tv from 2008

[slim iron]

Hope bljzz reads this post and makes arms great againe on the 17th

[last nebula]

I see

[tight wing]

blizz in response
In our testing, we’ve found that Arms does much higher damage than we would like. In response to this, we’ve decided to reduce the amount of damage certain abilities that are overperforming, as well as reduce the chance all buffs have to activate.

[spiral coral]

With your GPU I’d just jack everything to the sky graphics wise, but even with the best pc in the world, wow will still struggle in populated zones.

[fresh spire]

You must be new here

[manic quest]

CORRECT! I just joined 10 minutes ago

[fresh spire]

Bit late. Tunings probs already done for next week

[fresh spire]

Welcome to hell

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

[spiral coral]

Mage gonna have three S tier specs and Blizz is scared to buff arms lmao

[slim iron]

I mean this for sure seems like a problem they need to fix

[eternal edge]

[wooden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/idfk-gif-3761179052566277881

[wooden lava]

Welcome

you'll love it down here

[latent moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1481705571714469959/amgm6l.gif

[manic quest]

Ty ty, I've played warrior a long time dunno why I didnt join sooner. Prob for the group support therapy after reading these notes

[frail whale]

surely our tier set makes us S+++ and that's why we keep getting nerfed

[shadow ibex]

You think they give hs on cleave? On 17th

[normal acorn]

Dude even while leveling I felt like I was afk while not being afk 🤣

[shadow ibex]

Or at least from the fob

[thick kelp]

our tierset is one of the best ones numerically

a whopping 9% gain

[wooden lava]

9%????????????

OH MY GOD

[shadow ibex]

Whats 2pc? 4pc is cs extendo right

[thick kelp]

yeah

if your guild bases who gets tier per % gain basis

[eternal edge]

it's only 3%

[thick kelp]

warrior gets first plate tier

[eternal edge]

not 9 lol

[thick kelp]

ifu play arms

fury tier is dooogshit

[wooden lava]

you need it so that you don't fall behind the tanks and aug

[slim iron]

Does guardian do more dps than arms atm?

[frail whale]

I played fury for the last 4 expacs, I just wanted to try something new and this is what I get

[untold lake]

Howdy,
I am strugglinng to inntrept these PTR patch notes

[thick kelp]

almost 50% more

[normal acorn]

This week trying to decide whether to stay as arms or switch to fury because idk how next weeks tunings gonna go for arms

[untold lake]

It doesnt look like buffs

[eternal edge]

best 4p buff is currently sub rogue (9%)
arms 4p buff is 3%, fury 2.7%

[thick kelp]

even brm does more dps than arms

[wooden lava]

dude I don't get it

[cinder tangle]

guardian in arena is whoping ass, just got mine handed yesterday

[eternal edge]

and testing are unfinished atm

[wooden lava]

how did our dev fuck up this bad

[shadow ibex]

Who

[untold lake]

ty

[normal acorn]

Easy they don’t play warrior lol

[thick kelp]

ignore the no rets(they dont have sims)

[wooden lava]

even the most negligent guy could surely do better than having us do literal TANK DAMAGE

[fresh spire]

Arms is 9% not 3%

[wooden lava]

who the fuck is this guy

how does he earn a paycheck

[bitter escarp]

claude?

[eternal edge]

well in raw numbers it's +3% if you prefer

[wooden lava]

like I don't need to know who he is

I just wanna know what kind of person he is

[slim iron]

Can send list to the entire page?

Link

[manic quest]

[fresh spire]

3% in the context of what? As 9% gain from 0 to 4p for arms st is still 9%

[wooden lava]

lmfaooo

not that bad

but I'm just baffled

this is insane

this is officially worse than Castle Nathria arms

I never thought we'd get here

hwo do you have to fuck up so much and so many times in a row

[untold lake]

thank y ou for the info sephi, The warrior is going back to the bench

[wooden lava]

for us to surpass Castle Nathria arms

[inland nexus]

when will we propose to shut down warrior discord?

[bitter escarp]

ew

[eternal edge]

well idk how your 9% is calculated so you're probably right anyway.
That's what i saw yesterday :

[cinder tangle]

can you share the whole thing? pwease

[slim iron]

The arms discord page is doing to be shut down until blizz fixes?

[thick kelp]

thats

2p gain

lmao

9% is the entire 4p

[inland nexus]

isn't druid or shaman shut their discrod down and blizz fix their class?

[eternal edge]

see? i'm too mad to read correctly. my bad

[unkempt wren]

It was the Ret Pissies discord channel, at least most recently

[slim iron]

Can you share link to this list pls?

[inland nexus]

we should do the same

[eternal edge]

sorry i can't just to 3 images but the right one is this one :

[normal acorn]

All of us just bitch at blizzard like rets do and we will get what we want lol

[eternal edge]

so yeah 9.82% buff with the 4p

[frail whale]

peak

[inland nexus]

still lower dps then tank

[slim iron]

Iz there a website that has everything?

[frail whale]

dps doesnt matter, think of our util! /s

[eternal edge]

it's a google spreadsheet but you need the link to access (i don't have it)

[bitter escarp]

1.5% aura buff each week

[inland nexus]

what ulti?

[bitter escarp]

🤠

[tight wing]

berzerker shout

[inland nexus]

TBH if the ulti aint Brez or Lust, people will just pick higher dps class

[valid walrus]

i don't undestand how they nerf arms almost every class tuning , despite being, more like WAS in the middle of the pack

[frail whale]

moral support from the bench is a good starting point

[daring creek]

what is going on on PTR that they nerf arms again?

[eternal edge]

we don't know

but yeah nerf again

[rapid bronze]

does anyone have a link to the full sim sheet?

the one this is from

[valid walrus]

its funny how the most boring tank class does the most dps xD

[inland nexus]

they might as well just delete warrior

[valid walrus]

maybe ltes close the discord? helped once for our pink brethren xD

[bitter escarp]

ew

[mortal rivet]

Guardian/brm are likely going to be nerfed

[rapid bronze]

I know but I was looking for the full sim list

[inland nexus]

nah, the recent bug fix for guardian gave them extra 15% dps

even we get 50% more dps, we still can't beat guardian

[eternal edge]

[slim iron]

Can you post image of all the tank specs from this page pls?

[rapid bronze]

I'm trying to find it by searching through all of @dire hinge's posts lmao

[unkempt wren]

Ew, thats embarrassing

[valid walrus]

btw whats the spec with the lowest dps on this chart?

[cinder tangle]

also druids are dmg sponges, heal themselves, have thorns in pvp and deal insane dmg and are also way too easy to use

[inland nexus]

even Unholy DK get some new talents in .05 patch, despite they already OP S tier

[cinder tangle]

they got buffed for .05

:v

[inland nexus]

we are too soft, thats why blizzard dont care

[bitter escarp]

im bricked up

wym

[slim iron]

Arms dps needs like a 150% buff and bear like a 50% nerf? Does blizz have the stones to make tuning number that big in a single tuning patch?

[inland nexus]

Arms need a total rebuild

[bitter escarp]

No

[manic quest]

I unironically have more fun playing arms in tbc than retail rigjt now q.q

[bitter escarp]

Arms will be rough for like a month or w.e and then buffed like in nerubar

[inland nexus]

UDK got less Button to press then Arms, which is funny

[valid walrus]

play Surv hunter, i don't know what they did to that spec, but thats... sad (was my favourte alt next to Arms and ret)

surv hinter feels like bm hunter 2 button rota

[bitter escarp]

but those hogstrider changes

peak

[valid walrus]

putting the BOOM into BOOMstick

[jaunty drift]

make arms great again

[merry scaffold]

Where can I find the source of this information? 🙂

[minor gust]

It did not. Anyone who thinks this is dumb like the ret paladins. The tuning notes came out the same day as the discord shutdown. Blizzard doesn't work that fast they were already planning to buff ret. All the shutdown did was make the mods in the ret discord look stupid and pathetic.

[icy mulch]

I mean, they are stupid and pathetic. That's Ret's thing.

[olive nest]

You guys won’t get a link to the most up to date stuff without being on the inside circle of the race teams I’d imagine, but you can go sub to Ulria’s Den and he has a collection of sims in a spreadsheet

He releases it for free like a day before the patch usually

[stoic palm]

Broo 🤣

[icy mulch]

Bask at my field of fucks, and see how barren and empty it is.

[silk vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-wiggling-arms-no-muscles-need-to-workout-gif-8040613

We got no arms

[jovial hare]

we just fingies

[slim iron]

Yea but can you proof it was correlation and not causation?

[restive ledge]

And gaze upon the lack of Fucks. Sweet it is, for Fucks we have none, starved for the ones we lay upon the bossums of our wenches

[jovial hare]

20 years of blizzard moving at a glacial pace

they were already planning to do it

[icy mulch]

It's in the name.

[jovial hare]

get it

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[icy mulch]

Yes, yes, I was trying to help your joke. Then you ruined it.

[minor gust]

You're really living up to your discord name huh

[jovial hare]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[slim iron]

https://tenor.com/view/we-suck-again-oh-no-the-waterboy-rob-schneider-the-mud-dogs-gif-24522403

[vagrant hull]

preach. If we go to that level of full-retard I'm never regaining faith in the people of this Discord.

[fresh spire]

As much as we may act the part we're not that much of fools to do something so stupid

[olive nest]

Archi will not do that he’s explicitly stated how childish ret community was for that

[polar drum]

What buttons will I press the most in what order?

Trying to set up binds…

Mortal strike, cleave, overpower, rend, execute or so?

[mighty bridge]

you already play warrior... what is more foolish than that?

[olive nest]

😂

[vagrant hull]

I like the pain

Also I'm nostalgic because it's been my same main since Vanilla. And I can't be bothered to level something else

[rapid bronze]

the tuning vs design thing is a bit of a cop-out IMO. When the tuning is garbage there is no incentive for regular-ass players to interact with the design and try to figure it out, they find ways to enjoy it when the damage is acceptable and they overall like the class fantasy

[wicked yoke]

Are we actually getting nerfed again or do I just not understand what’s going on

[grizzled falcon]

It’s PTR for now.

[high snow]

take mortal combo tale t and set up fat cleaves during ravager window, macro col smash with avatar before hand and throw demolish.. battle lord so overpower triggers MS... then keep up MS as much as you can and the 3 stacks of HS buff

[grizzled falcon]

But uh, let’s hope it doesn’t go live unless Arms is getting giga buffed.

[wicked yoke]

I just wanna be able to play Arms in M+ dude. Maybe I’m just bad but on the boss fights I’m lucky to do 65% of the other DPS and I’m having to sweat to compete on AoE pulls.

[high snow]

also remember rend and tclap applies aoe rend and you can use one after the other while tank gathers mobs

[high snow]

are you playing colossus with ravager for aoe?

[wicked yoke]

Yeah. With all cooldowns I can usually too the charts for that pull. But if they other DPS are good they might beat me

I didn’t even know slayer was competing in M+

[high snow]

i think sht just dying too fast still, i didnt see a significant increase until after +10s last seaspn i hope this is the case too.. we shall see

[wicked yoke]

Agreed, if I have a marksman hunter in my group, by the time I hit demolish everything is already at like 20%

[rapid bronze]

slayer is competing on m+ because you do tank damage on single target

[wicked yoke]

Healer damage*

[eternal edge]

Housing damage*

[rapid bronze]

lmao

[high snow]

slayer is bad for m+, deals slightly more ST and way less aoe.. go colossus

[eternal edge]

if you have time to deal dmg on colo

[wicked yoke]

That’s what I’ve been doing. AoE pulls feel okay, but what’s that worth when a healer can literally out dmg me on a ST boss

[tight wing]

you sure?

[leaden anchor]

does that say 10 seconds lol

[wicked yoke]

When you got to Archon beta, it says slayer is the best no?

[gentle gyro]

xD

[olive nest]

Yes lmao

[gentle gyro]

There is always that one guy

[tight wing]

yeah, I ended up at about 138k lol

[crystal igloo]

Nice 10sec parse..

[high snow]

things dying too fast, colossus has a bigger ramp up but more damage.. much more damage the linger fights get the hugher keys get

[high snow]

lolz

[untold trench]

Example of Arms needing a nerf #261538

[olive nest]

Fury (insert arms) does 50 morbillion in the first 10 seconds better nerf it

Heroic week even

[minor gust]

Colo right now can get all its dmg off before slayer finishes bladestorm

[olive nest]

How history repeats itself

[wicked yoke]

It really doesn’t matter to me which is better. Just fucking one of them needs to be viable in M+

[minor gust]

If you are still waiting for 10 stacks for your demo you doing it wrong

[wicked yoke]

Wowhead guide says to cleave 4 times and mortal strike once before demo no?

[minor gust]

Yes

[wicked yoke]

Not trying to be a smart ass, genuinely wanna know what to do

[minor gust]

You won't always be able to get that MS off as well depending on rage

[wicked yoke]

But generally you want 5 stacks atleast right

[vagrant hull]

4 casts of cleave or cleave 4 targets? Does the number of targets cleaved add more stacks?

[wicked yoke]

3-4 cast cleaves on three or more targets

[vagrant hull]

I have been doing it wrong if it's 4 casts

gotcha, usually gets you to at least 5 stacks though

[minor gust]

It doesn't matter the stacks what matters is getting demo off while CS debuff is still active

[vagrant hull]

ah

[minor gust]

By the time you get your 4 cleaves off you have just enough time to slam demo

[high snow]

well thats probably why you arent doing much damage

[minor gust]

If your are going into a pull with full demo stacks you can slam that shit right after CS

[minor gust]

[wicked yoke]

Correct, I think I was confused, it sounded like maybe you were saying send it with 0 stacks, but I see you just mean you don’t have to go all the way to ten if it means you lose CS

[minor gust]

Try again lil gup

[wicked yoke]

I usually cleave until I can’t, hit a MS and then send demo, but tbh I’ll have to go back and pay attention and make sure I’m not losing CS

[livid cloak]

I am become frozenbozo fan

[minor gust]

Before in TWW thanks to ravager and unhinged it was very easy to build to 10 stacks before CS fell off. But now it's harder and they nerfed the amount of dmg you get per stack and increased the baseline

[high snow]

never send it right away, big miatake.. its much easier to get 10 stacks of demo now than before always try to send fùll stacks or near full

[livid cloak]

Laugh almost every time I'm taking a dump and read this channel

[minor gust]

So it's not as important as before

[high snow]

also keeping a mob trained is good to keep stacks up if tank is slow

[mortal niche]

Slow? Pull for the tank

Easy

[livid cloak]

Remember when you could get almost insta 10 stacks with ravager

[fresh spire]

Stacks don't matter so much anymore. For most part you will cleave if possible then demolish when your out of cleaves or run out of rage

[minor gust]

You can very much build stacks as the tank is pulling but getting to 10 in your opener is not important like it was before

Get with the times grandpa

[high snow]

wrobg and this is the main issue most of you seem to be having.. but you do you

[minor gust]

Holy chatting

[vagrant hull]

It's ok, I'm sure he knows more than Archi

[minor gust]

[livid cloak]

This guy coming in here with the worst information

[high snow]

k

[vagrant hull]

Literally going against all the guides, with nothing to substantiate his shit advice

[wicked yoke]

Best case senario you have ten stacks and send demo. But a good chunk of the time you won’t, and in that case, you send with atleast 5 to makes sure you get the dmg buff from CS but also get as many stacks as possible

[high snow]

i do as the crystal guides- yall

[olive nest]

Krispy a theory crafter for arms sims, wrong

[high snow]

ever considered that people weiting the arms guides rn are clueless?

[eternal edge]

cleave cone is painful shit tbh

[vagrant hull]

ok, I don't even need to read what he says anymore lol

[livid cloak]

Pary are you the warrior dev?

Because that would make a lot of sense actually

[high snow]

no

[olive nest]

Lmfao

[soft viper]

the warrior dev is probably not a real human

[gaunt owl]

dont care about warrior its the weekend

time to have fun

[livid cloak]

I work this weekend

No fun for seany boy

[thorn stream]

Just play slayer and don’t bother Colo stacks

[gaunt owl]

we know he is cluegi deluxe thats why Arms keep getting nerfed too

[wicked yoke]

I just saw that there might be yet another nerf to arms and I just don’t understand what is going. Either I’m on crack, or the devs are on crack.

[minor gust]

In most pulls you will have max stacks from the previous pull anyways so it's also not a big deal.

[eternal edge]

slayer is the way tho

[livid cloak]

Its the .5 ptr patch notes which are a ways away, but yes they are concerning

[thorn stream]

That’s what I’m saying

[olive nest]

The sudden death change to no longer proc reap is a nerf but it isn’t going to live until the .5 patch

Supposedly

[wicked yoke]

When is the firsts set of tunes? (Where I think ideally arms would be giga buffed)

[minor gust]

Pary out here not sending his demo inside CS or sitting with his thumb up his butt holding CDs until he has a 10 stack demo

[eternal edge]

[olive nest]

March 17th

[livid cloak]

Tuesday, hopefully notes today

[olive nest]

Patch notes today surely

[tender knot]

tuning notes today right???

[wicked yoke]

GOD BLESS

[high snow]

who said im not sending demo inside cs? im saying send it with full stacks.. reading comprehension friend

[wicked yoke]

I need to spend more time in here

[rough phoenix]

SURELY

[thorn stream]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

Pary pov

[high snow]

if you are sending demo asap it means you arent hitting all the mobs with it.. short tange, coned.. you gotta position yourself

[wicked yoke]

Isn’t it an AoE around your target?

[olive nest]

It’s okay to be wrong bro, it allows you to expand your knowledge from those who are correct

[livid cloak]

No its a cone

[eternal edge]

today is the day

[fresh spire]

Where is jet when you need him to refute this feelcrafting holy

[livid cloak]

The tooltip is really wrong

[tender knot]

If you had to boil down ARMs to its iconic abilities what would you put? I'm thinking MS, Cleave, Bladestorm

[fresh spire]

Demolish is a radius around your target

[eternal edge]

like ww

but on your target

instead of you

[minor gust]

[olive nest]

MS OP rend Slam cleave Bladestorm

Colossus smash execute

[livid cloak]

Ms bladestorm execute

[soft viper]

mortal strike, execute, slam

[livid cloak]

Slam lol

[olive nest]

I knew that’d catch someone’s eye that’s why it’s there

[wicked yoke]

“8 yard radius*

[minor gust]

Guys I know everything and I refuse to be wrong even with overwhelming evidence.

[livid cloak]

Unless it changed in midnight the tooltip is wrong

[gaunt owl]

https://imgur.com/1nUZrGo

[eternal edge]

my take is : NO BUFF FOR 17th
hear me out we're cooked.
(You'll be happier if i'm wrong)

[tender knot]

Def think Execute should be in there, idk about Rend, I've been playing a long time and in 20ish years of playing I've never felt glad to press Rend. TBC slam weaving was a funish rhythm based gameplay w/ swing timers lmao

[livid cloak]

I know the tooltip

I'm saying unless they actually made it work that way in midnight. The tooltip is wrong

In tww it was a cone that also hit like slightly behind, it was incredibly weird

[tender knot]

WW feels like wet noodle to play now, I kinda hate the WOOMWOOM sound they added to it, it sounds like a pool noodle being swung through the air, unless that changed in Midnight

[eternal edge]

how? cause ennemy behind target got hit

[high snow]

around the TARGET so it wont hit targets behind you necessarily.. position fellas!

[soft viper]

ww? how do you hear ww as arms?

[olive nest]

-Arms:
our team is currently iterating and will not have any adjustments for the initial round of balancing changes

[livid cloak]

Whirlwind

[wicked yoke]

I mean I know what I said

[livid cloak]

If you are st spec

[eternal edge]

definitely that i swear...

[olive nest]

Bet on it

Fkn cluegi when it comes to arms

[high snow]

i dont like the upcoming wounds change tho, they trying to make us slam

[wicked yoke]

I said around the target for a reason, it’s not a cone unless Sean is right and the tool tip is wrong, but I’m just a fucking dude, I don’t know how you would determine that

[soft viper]

I treat it like a cone but when the mobs are moving and such i feel like it still baps everything like its not

[thorn stream]

If krispy says it’s a radius then I believe it is a radius

[thick kelp]

well the last hit does actually hit in a small circle behind your player character

[minor gust]

Need Walhes paint picture

[high snow]

its not a cone but you kinda want to position yourself as if it were a cone because you will spam fat cleaves after demolish during ravager window

[soft viper]

then be out of rage 🙁

[slim iron]

March 17 arms patch notes leaked?

[soft viper]

lol

[wicked yoke]

I’ll die

[eternal edge]

[loud surge]

So, fury is way better for m+ ? I'm just curious for play something good lol

[thick kelp]

yes

[eternal edge]

thane fury seems better but not sure

[thick kelp]

same aoe more st

[strange perch]

fury is your only option let's put it this way

[livid cloak]

Until tuesday

Then its time

[olive nest]

Lmao

I should make it without the edited

Actually no I shouldn’t

[livid cloak]

I would even take tww s3 tuning at this point

[strange perch]

maybe you're too optimistic lol

arms needs like around 50% buff to be as good as fury

[loud surge]

Sound good ! I'm trying to aoe with fury and is so hard to pull some good dps, if i look mage or ret pally lol

[wicked yoke]

Maybe I’m delusional but I don’t really feel like arms got pruned as far as the other classes and specs as well. It’s less for sure, but I hop on a ret pally or a dev DH and literally press 4 buttons. Vs Arms has a 8 button opener

For AoE*

[eternal edge]

we loss like 1 spell?

[high snow]

thr collateral change was a huge prune and a really bad one.. i really niss stacking collateral as high as i could

[wicked yoke]

Replaced thunder clap with rend right? And then got rid of roar

[wicked yoke]

SS baked in with CS

[eternal edge]

tc replaced rend before so nothing really changed here but yeah Roar is out and that's it

[thick kelp]

dont count out sks

my goat is gone

[wicked yoke]

I might be the only who feels this way but I was exited for the reworks and simple gameplay and I happen to main a spec that not only got nerfed into the ground but didn’t really get more simple

First time I’m really considering re rolling.

[eternal edge]

like i said here before, tbh if arms are worse than WoD arms through the 1st season of midnight, i'm done with this game.

[minor gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1314374602285125712/1380938748677722223/WhyTheFuckHaveYouBeenDrinkingSoMuchMilkIfYouKnewYouWereLactoseIntolerantJesusChristDude.gif

[soft viper]

i've thought about it off and on since 2009 but warrior is part of ye. you just grin and bear it.. like being an arizona cardinals fan -_-

[wicked yoke]

S3 dragonflight Sks was lit

[high snow]

i hate simple gameplay.. i wpulda played ret or fury if i wanted an ez mode spec

[eternal edge]

i'm very ok with the gameplay overall since Legion and after that, but dmg , for real, it's the worse iteration since WoD

[soft viper]

was that the huge bonk and bleed peel off?

[wicked yoke]

I think I’m just frustrated that I’m having to try harder to do less damage, meanwhile other classes out here playing candy crush on their phone while blasting the dmg charts

[soft viper]

....let me tell you about this arcane mage and frost mage combo that cooked me last night

[olive nest]

Real sks bleed pop was peak

[wicked yoke]

Yeah, I’m unfamiliar with how it worked recently, but back then it would immediately do the damage if all your bleeds.

[soft viper]

the new one speed bleeds i think its wack

[dim basalt]

@slender sonnet What weapons do you recommend for T3

[wicked yoke]

Not trying to be a Debbie downer, I’m actually hoping someone in here will step in and tell me I’m wrong and there are better days ahead

[dim basalt]

Unfortunately 0.5 patch is just looking worse so far

So unless they giga cook with the next ptr notes its looking really rough

[dry pine]

does fervor of battle use heroic strike if a proc is up btw? so would it be better NOT to use it for the stacks?

[wicked yoke]

Yeah agreed. I like arms for the fantasy, I feel like Ser Dunk the tall when I play this character. I just want it to be viable in M+ cause that’s the content I like to play. Doesn’t need to be amazing. Just not straight cheeks

[dim basalt]

It uses heroic strike but you should press Cleave

[wicked yoke]

In my experience, atleast in AoE pulls, I’m hitting cleave until I can’t, hit MS until I cant after that, and then OP. I ignore all the other shit, and procs. To that order. I’m not sure if that’s right, but it’s what I get the best results with

[rose ibex]

I like the big earth shattering smashes

The spec is more "pianoy" than other specs while still being pretty chill

[dry pine]

that´s what I meant. If I´m moving from a previous pack and got a stack leftover, I should outright ignore heroic strike even when i´d use a single target ability during mob gathering just so I can trigger it with fervor of battle without using up the proc?

[regal wharf]

Holy fuck

I had no idea how bad it was for you guys

[rose ibex]

I find heroic strike buff is kinda short so I like to use it to upkeep the buff

[minor gust]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

[soft viper]

look at the keys fly!

[regal wharf]

How the fuck is the apex talent a net loss for you guys

[rose ibex]

Why keep nerfing?

[dim basalt]

If its not worth pressing cleave just use it on a single mob

[rose ibex]

Avatar better i guess

[dim basalt]

Otherwise you might munch a proc

[minor gust]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision/2270878
Btw if you are NA and hate the 12.05 changes make your voice heard here. We will not let them remove AOE on SD

If you are EU feel free to copy paste this onto EU forums

[hushed topaz]

haha thats funny you think we have a say in the matter

[dry pine]

Does it interact with fervor of battle though? if it does, I´d get multiple heroic strikes out of a single proc instead of using up the proc itself by pressing slam / HS directly.

this is like the old galactic guardian bullshittery. oh my god

[dim basalt]

HS is used by the auto-cast of FoB and uses it up but you dont get multiple buffs if thats what you mean

[fresh spire]

Old sks owned

[dire hinge]

you can always filter to types of post as well, in the search box you can do things like:
in:#arms from:Hrothmar has:image

[fresh spire]

I dread to see my post count

[dry pine]

aah. that´s exactly what I wanted to know. Thank you! ❤️

[minor gust]

Nah I still hated old SKS the annoyance of reapplying bleeds outweighed the dmg for me

[fresh spire]

Nah sks could go hard if demolish aoe popped rends bleeds or some shit aswell as apply deep wounds

[thorn stream]

auto apply rend ? only fury can have that

[fresh spire]

Real

[olive nest]

They simply needed to make sks pop the existing bleed duration and re apply both at normal duration

That would have made the button perfect

[rose ibex]

Sks felt annoying to use. Bleeds are like the least exciting thing about arms gameplay next to when you have to press the sad button

[fresh spire]

Ye

[nova marsh]

Eh im happier with sks gone

[fresh spire]

Explode what's active apply fresh

[olive nest]

Yes!

[untold pewter]

Heck yeah let's go

[fresh spire]

Hahahahaha

[olive nest]

On demand prio target burst was very nice

I want that back

[strong geode]

raidbots looking fucking great lmao

[minor gust]

Yeah an AOE sks pop would go pretty hard

[fresh spire]

Archi asked a long time ago about making sd in colossus pop bleeds as sd is just fucking useless

We never got it 🙁

[rose ibex]

Kinda like a sow the seeds pop?

Where it shotguns

[odd kite]

@deft girder is arms good yet

[rose ibex]

So only useful in an aoe situation

That would actually make the bleeds have more impactful gameplay than just set and forget

[nova marsh]

Hot take

But I dont feel like they need to be impactful

[kindred breach]

fuck bleeds

[nova marsh]

We've been down the blees route with arms before

I dont get the mentality of "arms should either be a bleed spec or have none at all!"

[merry scaffold]

I like bleed

But not as being the main damage source

[rose ibex]

Bleeds are just kinda there and don't really impact the gameplay too much at all

There's no triggers or anything that proc off rend as far as my addled brain can remember

Or deep wounds for that matter

[marble valve]

HS is uninspired, why it is not 100% crit?

[dire hinge]

why is it on the gcd

[cobalt lodge]

do we nknow when we will get the 12.0.5 changes? is that on the 17th/raid release?

[mortal niche]

hows the changes? real dps yet?

[dim basalt]

In like 2-3 months

[cobalt lodge]

ah, so we have no news yet on the balancing planned for the 17th?

[dim basalt]

correct

[nova marsh]

Well known on the 17th

[cobalt lodge]

oh boy

[merry scaffold]

I mean, arms warrior is a master of combat. Powerful hits are the highlight, fantasy of the class. This don't mean that they need to be huge hits that shred the earth, they make quick, decisive strike that overwhelm the ennemies. Bleed is part of the way a master of combat would fight, but I see arms almost as a samouraï warrior in a duel. A feint, a quick strike, and a decisive hits that kill the opponent. Now I know it's not original, but rn I feel like we got no way, except with Colossus and a gigantic setup time, to deliver on this fantasy, and the payout is not even that good

[mortal niche]

to say that without disgust is a crime

cs reset and tada..maybe fixed

[cobalt lodge]

interesting, so you basically have to wait till raid release to know if your spec is in it's current dogshit state (disc priest, arms warr, havoc dh) or if you will actually get pug invites xd

[nova marsh]

Chief

Arms wasnt getting pug invites either way

[cobalt lodge]

that, that is 100% true

i mean im not even getting them on my disc priest or dh

[nova marsh]

Hell fury will barely get any

[tight wing]

idk, havoc feels nice imo

[mortal niche]

I'm already tired of having to play fury

[cobalt lodge]

it's basically play mage, lock or resto druid or be ready to be declined for m0 for an hour

[nova marsh]

This is why I rerolled

[cobalt lodge]

( you will still outdps the other 2 meta players in your group because they have no clue what to do)

[merry scaffold]

I like bleed as a way to kill, not as the focus of the class

[mortal niche]

dont worry, my 2nd char is balance..oh..oh no

[nova marsh]

Because I didnt want to either play fury or be dogshit for so many seasons

[merry scaffold]

Rerolls to what?

[nova marsh]

I went outlaw and frost

[merry scaffold]

Frost dk?

[nova marsh]

Yep

Fuck unhply

[mortal niche]

is the mortal wounds change just a nerf? wtf

[nova marsh]

Its a pvp nerf

[mortal niche]

they use cleave in pvp?

[merry scaffold]

Always sad to play frost but this seems like the only other thing playable when you like playing warrior and not the fury braindead spec

[nova marsh]

Tf if I know lol

[mortal niche]

I dont even know if I have mortal woundson my spec at this point but ..maybe

where even is it

[nova marsh]

Its weird yes

[mortal niche]

so its a nerf..wtf

[cobalt lodge]

lol most of these 12.0.5 changes seem like fun police

[olive nest]

If it were up to me arms would focus on heavy hitter abilities like this; Mortal Strike, Execute, Skull splitter (300% amped bleed pop), Overpower for resetting MS still, Deep wounds and Rend minor bleed dot outside of popping with sks I’d have MS apply one dot and execute apply the other or something along those lines or only have one dot tied to just MS
*Or just delete slam all together and have rend be the filler button which also applies the dot

[cobalt lodge]

frost losing their 2nd ray of frost, arms only getting nerfed, monk losing their chi regen on zenith, surv hunter way more funneled into boomstick dam

[rose ibex]

I also rolled the dice on druid and while I pull decent numbers on feral its also pretty ostracized

[obsidian otter]

The chief boss in nexus? With the light that amps you?

[mortal niche]

been on arms/balance since like 2009 so

[tight wing]

yeah

on the right wing

[rose ibex]

Those have also been my go to's but I learned feral in TWW and it turned out to be really fun

Being 30% faster all the time is amazing

[nova marsh]

Oh

[mortal niche]

I know what'l fix it

bring back banners

[nova marsh]

And outlaw didnt get touched...or rogue in general

[nova marsh]

At this point id rather just make arms a support spec

[misty bridge]

we are

Cosmetic support spec

[eternal edge]

Housing spec

[nova marsh]

At least then I can stop getting gaslit by blizz

[misty bridge]

You are voluntarily agreeing to being gaslit by blizz

[merry scaffold]

This is the way

[gentle gyro]

Make it wanted

[eternal edge]

Do you realize that arms is by definition a master of weapon but fury got 2H weapons right?
So btw our fantasy is gone by default like our DPS now. Accurate statement

[gentle gyro]

Like aug

[mortal niche]

whatever that debuff was way back when in like bc, that increased phys dam

[mortal niche]

and arms has pretty much always been on the weaker side of defensives too vs fury

[eternal edge]

Cause HP in weapons and Regen from fury spec yep

Like since they got 2h weapons

Before that they got 2 1h and have almost the same amount of HP

[obsidian otter]

yeah thats one of my favorite fights lol

[nova marsh]

Yes but have you considered that arms is actually kind of practical

[mortal niche]

I had high hopes for tww when they brought smf back for fury..but they made it bad and then just removed it

big shock

[olive nest]

Like it’s so simple my dumbass can figure it out how can a whole team of college educated video game developers not figure out something as simple as that

🤯

[tight wing]

Same

[eternal edge]

Oh I considered. I play arms since Vanilla.
But damage and regen are like meh

[ancient otter]

Because they’re devs not players

[olive nest]

You have to play the thing you’re developing

Kinda how that works

[mortal niche]

hahaha

you'd hope so

maybe if you go all the way back a decade it'd be true

[nova marsh]

The entire games industry seems to disagree

[olive nest]

You simply cannot have an employee who is not passionate about what they’re being paid to develop?

Hello??

[nova marsh]

The only dev team I know for a fact plays their own game regularly is Warframe

[mortal niche]

sure you can, can I show you bfa

[rose ibex]

Gladiator stance

[ancient otter]

Bring it back

Pls

[eternal edge]

Arrowhead too

[obsidian otter]

prot already out single targets arms lol glad stance would just make arms never taken ever lol

[mortal niche]

Runescape has atleast 1 that plays achievements to make sure they are possible atleast

[nova marsh]

If arrowhead played their own, someone wouldnt have been doxxed

[ancient otter]

Best class fantasy was glad stance imo

[nova marsh]

And thats all im gonna say there

[rose ibex]

Ngl prot is super fun to play and being able to dps with it would be amazing

[faint salmon]

i seriously considered going back to prot in an M0 i ran last night, just to do more dps than arms

[twin agate]

wait warrior buffs?????????

[olive nest]

Maybe they don’t play it in their free time sure that I understand but you have to literally play it at work to test what you designed works no?

[eternal edge]

We already saw dev playing Helldivers 2 tho idk

[mortal niche]

the fact prot has passive ravager and arms has a wasted gcd for it

(generational ravager hater anyway)

[nova marsh]

As in play it regularly

[rose ibex]

Im gonna prot just to get gear for my arms war

[nova marsh]

Well yes....evidently that also isn't true

[rose ibex]

I shall weather the storm

[nova marsh]

At least for blizzard

[mortal niche]

blizzard are long past the "made by gamers" era

[eternal edge]

Tbf, I don't hope that anything will happen for us next week

[round garden]

finally!

[nova marsh]

wtf did Bajheera do

[eternal edge]

PvP warrior ?

[merry scaffold]

I mean look at our apex talent and the state of all class atm. And the single rotation button

[nova marsh]

genuinely

it's not that blizz can't figure that out

[olive nest]

I really think they’re just not passionate about Warrior whatsoever

[nova marsh]

There's two other possibilities:
A. They don't care
B. They have a completely different vision for arms that literally noone else can see (I honestly see this one as kinda likely

[olive nest]

It clearly shows

Sad really

[nova marsh]

ehhh I wouldn't even say passionate

They just have literally no clue what to do with us

Which is arguably worse

[cosmic halo]

I really dont understand lol, arm was already behind in MM0, why nerf it

[olive nest]

Cause fuckem that’s why

[nova marsh]

Keep in mind this also nerfs fury

[obsidian otter]

There is same fight i love that fight

[nova marsh]

Which makes it even more of a seriously why

[nova marsh]

jet don't show that, you'll get us another nerf

[cosmic halo]

Fury slayer was also behind, and ok in ST

[tight wing]

Nice

[olive nest]

My details doesn’t even work it just perma bugs out and never shows me overall at the end or anything I actually want to see

[nova marsh]

And they nerfed our ST LMAO

[thorn wolf]

It's okay fury does like 100k on that one

[proper moth]

Where the Tuesday notes at

[cosmic halo]

They nerf the aoe hard on arm slayer, feel like RS will never proc lol

It's really a shame, cause RS is a very fun capacity

[obsidian otter]

Sorry I forgot sandbag got it!

[cosmic halo]

Arm slayer feels fun to play, but numbers are just bad, and they remove fun AND dps, wtf

[eternal edge]

Remove RS on execute is like...
Idk

Pain?

[nova marsh]

yes but guys, now they can tune us easier!

[eternal edge]

Are we Slayer arms warriors or NPCs?

[obsidian otter]

Actually 110k I have fury at 240 to lol

[high snow]

never really liled slayer last expac feels like fury lite.. colossus feels like what arns should be, needs prio damage tho

[eternal edge]

Remember when we loss our artifact weapon bonuses? I feel like this today

[nova marsh]

Colo needs ST in general

[atomic girder]

would arms still be strong if clavicular was never brutally framemogged by the ASU frat leader?

[olive nest]

Lmao

[glacial pebble]

When heroic strike procs do we jut press it to prio it over everything

[cosmic halo]

In aoe I cleave, it procs heric strike

[eternal edge]

Ms > SD exec > HS

[slim iron]

Will they post notes for the 17th today?

[nova marsh]

wait for the 17th

[cosmic halo]

Sure we can still be more nerfed

Why not put a 3min on BS

[minor gust]

They will more than likely be out today

[fresh spire]

We may get patch notes today

[slow saddle]

Facts

[slim iron]

Ohh there's no chance they'll put the notes today?

[fresh spire]

[minor gust]

Blizz has always released notes before the weekend

[tacit crystal]

we will be getting notes today

[slim iron]

Ohh nice what time did they say they will post?

[nova marsh]

So do we get actual buffs\

[tacit crystal]

no

[slow saddle]

Fr ill cry with happiness if they.make srms viable

[cosmic halo]

Why do you think there will.be more ?

[slender sonnet]

enjoy not crying then

[minor gust]

The only confirmation we have gotten is tuning on the 17th rest is just what we know from years of experience.

[slim iron]

When they post the friday before the weekend what time did they do it historically?

[minor gust]

They will release the notes this week. Only if they are stupidly far behind at the worst notes release monday

[minor gust]

It can be any time really sometimes it's early in the afternoon like yesterdays notes or sometimes not till the evening before they leave work

[icy mulch]

I got em to flame me on the forums. lol, your favorite Blizzard boot licker Greil.

[daring prairie]

Oh god the forums have got to be on fire

[minor gust]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision/2270878

Join the fun

[minor gust]

Lmao saw that he replied

[smoky jungle]

Also, I don't see much talk about it, but what about the 4pc for the raid set? Isn't that kind of arse by comparison to others? Should we not be bringing that up in the midst of these conversations? Damaging a target affected by ‍Colossus Smash with ‍Mortal Strike or ‍Cleave that hits 3 or more targets extends ‍Colossus Smash’s effect on them by 1 second. It's the only one that's really limited by target amounts...

[obsidian otter]

My bad it does 130k that fight as fury slayer compared to arms slayer lol

[deft girder]

Need a different dev and it could be

[daring prairie]

ty ty

[tacit crystal]

🫃

[minor gust]

Gio I better see you post in that forum thread about how bad the SD change is

[tacit crystal]

no chance ill ever write on the forums ever

[minor gust]

The trick is to not read what anyone else has to say

[manic quest]

Rename the spec to Arm

[shadow ibex]

House of cards ahh spec

[unkempt wren]

Rename it Ar warrior, because it's half-baked as fuck

[tight wing]

nah just A warrior

[rustic reef]

do we know who the dev is

that is making these horrible changes?

[rose ibex]

The janitor's apprentice

[rustic reef]

Bro this is deathwing level antagonist to the class idk

[unkempt wren]

The dev responsible for arms is mad a warrior fkd his wife and he didn't get to sit in his chair and watch

[slow saddle]

Nah fam

It cant be just his wife

[rustic reef]

Like what is the vison is there a build we arent seeing

like

[slow saddle]

Nope

Everythin fun// good was nerfed

Or removed

[rustic reef]

lovely

[shadow ibex]

Maybe it won't be slayer anymore

[slow saddle]

Or well for slayer their vision is sd only st reap only for aoe

And from ww

Like i dno man

Just what

[obsidian otter]

it feels so bad playing without SD reap proc .. our reap in aoe is barly 3 % of the damage now.. wtf..

[shadow ibex]

Slayer aoe gonna be BS

Or they wanted to kill it in m+ so you keep playing colossus

[obsidian otter]

going through 2x crushing blows not one reap proc..

8 cleaves not 1!!!

[shadow ibex]

That way you dont need to address colossus st

Slayer banned from m+

Idk man idt they even fix apex before raid

[minor gust]

They killed it so you play Colo now in ST. You got your wish there

[shadow ibex]

I have 0 faith they balance apex so we use 4/4

No way they know how in 1 week

[minor gust]

If the .5 patch releases as is you play Colo In the raid

[shadow ibex]

Well thats in 2 months

Doesn't matter

[minor gust]

Same with balancing the apex of course they aren't gonna touch that

The hopes for that was gone a long time ago

[shadow ibex]

Its gonna be a 3/4 until .5

[obsidian otter]

without reap on SD slayer is dead im playing it now on ptr there no way even our aoe is shot ..

[shadow ibex]

Such shit man

[thick cairn]

trust the process guys, blizzard will give a huge buff on 17th just you watch

[minor gust]

You can pretty reasonably assume now that reap is procced way way less often. They will buff it a lot for the .5

[shadow ibex]

Yea over tanks

[minor gust]

Tho no one trusts them to do shit with arms at this point

So it's all a toss up

[wicked yoke]

Gets nerfed more*

[slender sonnet]

we might just about outdps pwarr

[obsidian otter]

we have zero reap in single target as well 🙁

[unkempt wren]

Prot warrior dmg too high, gets nerfed. Arms catches strays as per usual. That's my prediction

[slender sonnet]

real

[obsidian otter]

the SD slayer nerf has to be because of fury im doing same fight 130k on fury vs 100k on slayer so they were like how do we lower fury slayer damage take away reap proc on Exe.. Arms takes nerf lol

[shadow ibex]

Idt they even address no apex in aoe

[minor gust]

Any nerf to arms and fury is because of fury

Just how it goes

[slim iron]

Cant they buff arms without buffing fury same time?

[warped solstice]

I find it incredible that in 2026 they still can't nerf a single spec and have to resort to nerfing both for reasons.

[minor gust]

I finally looked at the other class changes from yesterday. Love how mage gets dev notes every time they get changes

[elder path]

When the hell are patch notes for the 17th gonna drop no way they just shadow drop this shit fr?

[obsidian otter]

maybe buffs on 17th might help it damage wise i cant get over 130k on 5 targets now vs doing 190k same character with SD reap procs from Exe so that nerfed our aoe by 60k just that change alone

in aoe

[minor gust]

They can but for the last 2 years they have refused to do so

We've been nerfed multiple times due to prot and fury because they refuse to do specific changes

[obsidian otter]

but they sure do specific changes for pvp arms to pve arms lol

[slim iron]

Just buff slam by 100%. Problem solved

[elder path]

The nerf to colossus tier set last tier pissed me the fuck off lmfao

[obsidian otter]

I actaully like how slayer feels specially with the SD proc i even started leveling my troll warrior 🙁 I dont even wanna log in and level him after playing it on 12.05 PTR.. it just feels like you lost something major in aoe and its another nerf to our single target

[minor gust]

This why we get ignored

Mages 119 comments arms players 16

[eternal edge]

because it's made of YEARS blizz ignoring arms

[olive nest]

Ion plays mage

[eternal edge]

so now ppl don't wanna try to explain, blizz won't change anything

[olive nest]

Mage will always be good when the lead developer plays it

People gotta kiss ass to the boss yknow

I get it

[inland nexus]

my money on Warrior get nerf more on patch day

[eternal edge]

warriors overall? for sure

arms? not sure

they'll ignored us

we'll become feral spec through years

the bottom check of logs

[slim iron]

But feral has always just been a worse version of rogue

[eternal edge]

yup

[eternal edge]

someone said one day "warriors are a worse version of other melees" now you get it xD

[obsidian otter]

in bg EoTS and we fighting in middle someone yelled stop healing people arms warrior 🙁 idk why i laughed so hard

[dense sphinx]

reply "i queued as heals"

[smoky kayak]

https://youtube.com/shorts/gE0pLlbg4pE?si=lhoAUmgainPAFA3H

[bleak arrow]

We keep seeing crit and bajheera but maybe they’re just washed.

[inland nexus]

healing spec for warrior

[sharp wyvern]

crit plays arms ?

[inland nexus]

we hit the target, target health goes up

[bleak arrow]

Monk does it

[sharp wyvern]

i love when the reap the storm from fury hits harder than mortal strike on arms

you know what they should do they should give us the prot execute talent so it can hit 2 targets

ever since prot got that i wanted it for arms

[inland nexus]

agree

[sharp wyvern]

and then put dreadnaught on execute so we can have some aoe execute

[inland nexus]

make Arms 3 button rotation, MS > OP > Execute, remove slam, cleve, whirlwind, thunderclap all togehter

[sharp wyvern]

we cant ask for that much we first have to ask to remove rend at least in ST

[smoky kayak]

others have suggested just merging Slam into Execute, making it castable all the time but just stronger below 20/35%

[eternal edge]

https://tenor.com/view/cache-cache-cat-side-cat-quoi-what-gif-5790729593365418161

[inland nexus]

just remove slam and stop trying making it to work

[smoky kayak]

and while that would be a good change in terms of consolidation, it also dilutes the hell out of Execute

[sharp wyvern]

i wouldnt like that personally

[smoky kayak]

you can't "just remove it" or the whole spec breaks lmao

[inland nexus]

whirlwind and cleave is literally same TBH

[sharp wyvern]

i like execute being an execute ability

if they remove slam our apex talent wont work anymore

[smoky kayak]

the last time Whirlwind replaced Slam outright, Arms players rioted

[inland nexus]

the Spec wont break without slam, no one really click slam until Blizazard make everything buff slam...

[sharp wyvern]

like they rioted about having to much rage

arms players might be dumb af

[eternal edge]

i did. fuck that fucking WW on ST tbh

[dim basalt]

...have you played Arms at all recently?

[sharp wyvern]

so you like slam ?

[inland nexus]

no one like slam, remove it

[smoky kayak]

you can't just not have a filler, unless you want the rotation to stand around doing nothing 20% of the time

[eternal edge]

i don't say that, but yeah, i prefer slam to WW or even cleave tbf

[sharp wyvern]

[eternal edge]

Slam is not the problem btw

[sharp wyvern]

didnt say it was i just remember having fun in S1 DF on arms

[eternal edge]

it's a good filler, numbers are just bad and that's it

[sharp wyvern]

i want them to remove rend tho

100%

where is the pruning for arms ?

they just kept everything

[eternal edge]

yeah rend i agree, like they did many fucking times before

[eternal edge]

we got a good rotation idk why ppl hate that so much

[inland nexus]

they could have bake rend into whirlwind, instead of making us take thunderclap, and whirlwind is only a skill exist in skill book

[sharp wyvern]

they gonna make it a passive at some point and we wont take it mark my words

[flint cedar]

Slayer Multitarget opener - Charge - Rend - Avatar - Colo - Cleave x 4 - THEN Blade Storm in lieu of Ravager being right after Rend? Did I get that right?

[dim basalt]

We dont have to take TC?

[sharp wyvern]

no

rend is aoe now

[dim basalt]

You dont seem to be familiar with Midnight Arms at all

[sharp wyvern]

tbf they did for fury

[eternal edge]

read your talents mate

[long peak]

Combine rend and slam and make it RAM 😆

[dim basalt]

And Fury players would be happier if they didnt have the button at all lmao

[sharp wyvern]

or replace slam with rend

[sharp wyvern]

well they wont after the .5 patch

[inland nexus]

what I mean is whirlwind still a dead talents, unless you spec cleave to replace it

[eternal edge]

why are you stick about slam when whirwind in arms is currently useless

[dim basalt]

Technically still do because Rend does a bit more init damage than WW but its whatever

For ST I mean

But its kinda the same thing of what Rend vs TC was in TWW

[sharp wyvern]

you take cleave in aoe situations anyway so who cares

[eternal edge]

this

[dim basalt]

WW isnt actually that useless

[eternal edge]

more useless than slam in that case

[dim basalt]

WW and Cleave are almost the same in terms of damage

After several WW buffs

It just cant enjoy talent synergies

At which point they should just make Cleave baseline ye

[sharp wyvern]

what are 35% anyway

[eternal edge]

just delete cleave then and let it enjoy / synergize with cleave talents instead

[sharp wyvern]

peanuts

[eternal edge]

my point is : if you're playing ST you don't care about WW
If you're playing multi you don't use WW cause cleave

that's exactly the same situation we got about rend and TC last expansion

[sharp wyvern]

they had to justify the talent tree somehow

[dim basalt]

Actually nvm what I said, the Cleave buffs before release made the gap bigger

I believe at the end of TWW the gap was only 17% AP or so

[sharp wyvern]

its 35% on slayer btw

with all the amps from col that might be more

[eternal edge]

in terms of pruning, delete one (cleave imo) and we good

[sharp wyvern]

rend

[dim basalt]

Relative or AP

[eternal edge]

and rend too

[summer niche]

rend + ww

[sharp wyvern]

attack poweer shouldnt matter cause its the difference

with a constant attack power

[summer niche]

is Arms getting any buffs on season start?

[eternal edge]

ww has a better design than cleave @summer niche or let cleave dealing aoe around you and not in cone in front of you.

[sharp wyvern]

we dont know yet

[dim basalt]

Im surprised we havent seen any patch notes yet

[inland nexus]

Arms 100% getting Nerf on season start

[sharp wyvern]

that would be so funny

[eternal edge]

they're not prepared

[sharp wyvern]

the AI that is in charge of arms hates its life

[dim basalt]

I just want to see uhdk and wl getting shot

[sharp wyvern]

did you see the .5 changes for unholy

[summer niche]

why dont we do the same as the ret palas in tww season 3 and close up this discord because its literally dumb that we cant even play arms

[eternal edge]

imagine one of them getting a buff xD

[dim basalt]

Ive never played uhdk so I dont understand the spec well

[summer niche]

• we got 50 abilities

[minor gust]

Eh many times they have come out right as the leave the office

[sharp wyvern]

cause first of all that didnt work
secondly we arent cringy babys

[minor gust]

Around 5 or 6pm

[summer niche]

true

[dim basalt]

Should be in like 2-3 hours no?

[eternal edge]

later

[sharp wyvern]

wait today ?

[eternal edge]

they're in LA

[inland nexus]

I think buffs are all depends what the Dev are playing this ssn? 100% they aint playing warrior.

[manic quest]

I still want Colossus to make me larger than just a puny 5 percent

Make me BIIIIIIG

[sharp wyvern]

i rather have them increase my weapon size

[summer niche]

they never played warrior except for protection

[sharp wyvern]

the spec is called arms we should be strong enough to wield bigger weapons

arms dev went to prot made an insane execute talent and forgot he was working on a tank

[eternal edge]

prot war was by far one of the most useless / not good / not meta tanks through expansions

[sharp wyvern]

so were most of tanks specs

cause DH existed

[eternal edge]

yup

[sharp wyvern]

how is that a warrior issue then

[dim basalt]

ppal is also inherently broken

If they survive higher keys theyre automatically meta

[sharp wyvern]

mass interrupts are kinda cheating

[eternal edge]

remember when prot war can't deal with magic?
Oh wait

[sharp wyvern]

and DH is gonna be meta again cause of the casters in some dungeons

[dim basalt]

rip magic block

[eternal edge]

i was so mad this day, last patch i played tank.

[dim basalt]

On the other hand it was probably the strongest tank cd in the game

lmao

[eternal edge]

they just had to tune it.

[dim basalt]

The replacement is bad

random chance to negate some magic damage lol

[sharp wyvern]

prot execute still hits harder than arms execute

[eternal edge]

[sharp wyvern]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[slow saddle]

Nice

[dim basalt]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

[slow saddle]

To protect i must exec

[sharp wyvern]

im tellung you arms dev went to work on prot

[shadow ibex]

Yea

Prot has passive clesve exe

[slow saddle]

Explains arms nerf

[shadow ibex]

And got am in class tree

[slow saddle]

He thought he was nerfin prot dmg

[shadow ibex]

Prot got off good

[minor gust]

Passive ravager too meanwhile we got this dogshit ravager back

[sharp wyvern]

[minor gust]

[slow saddle]

Prot got streamlined

Arms got put in prison

[summer niche]

Arms got his arms cut off and they still dont care after almost 3 weeks

[minor gust]

Fury got super streamlined with ava and reck both on am and same cd

Pure macro and forget.

[sharp wyvern]

but we got our 4th apex talent

[eternal edge]

RIP the storm

[obsidian otter]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sir-salute-correct-you-gif-16047409357915199728

[summer niche]

What do you guys think? Will they do anything about Arms Warrior or will they let us rot in a prison

[sharp wyvern]

if history repeats itself its the rot

[quasi comet]

IMO they need to buff us so much that I feel its impossible to expect that from blizzard

[obsidian otter]

i just tested on ptr 12.05 patch and the reap the storm is dead.. its like nothing anymore zero in single target and aoe it barly does 3%

[summer niche]

Buffs + button pruning it cant be that hard bro

[eternal edge]

prison.

[warm fog]

ST buffs are guaranteed, they arnt gonna let RWF kick off this unbalanced

[obsidian otter]

removing reap procs isnt button pruning though 🙁

[wicked slate]

I remember arms being good in s1 of tww. Not enough to get into m+ groups, but good damage at least

[summer niche]

Mages got 2 buttons, monkey paladins have 1.5 buttons what is this bs

[eternal edge]

not so good on raid tho

[slim iron]

How could they have made arms apex talent without testing if the 4th point actually increases dps or not?

[quasi comet]

Arms is a rare case of instead of abilities getting pruned the entire class was pruned instead

[sharp wyvern]

rend is an essential button to our spec even if it does 0.8% of our dmg

[summer niche]

*the entire class got killed

[wicked slate]

I don't recall arms being bad in nerub palace.

[eternal edge]

https://tenor.com/view/shine-text-share-the-flip-side-sharetheflipsidegifs-stress-exams-gif-9543278

[wicked slate]

I'm just trying to cope we just get some damage increase

[sharp wyvern]

it was overshadowed by fury

cause fury was actually good

[wicked slate]

No idea, I don't play fury tbh

[sharp wyvern]

good luck

[eternal edge]

we were not bad, but fury was wayyyyy better

[summer niche]

Im forced to play fury because I only play zug zug

[wicked slate]

I don't play arms right now either 😂 I just have it on the bench, just in case

[sharp wyvern]

thats where it belongs

you only play it on reclears for meme ranks

[obsidian otter]

arms not even 6th man spot 🙁 we trying to get drafted now lol

guess ill enjoy arms with SD reap while I have it 🙁

[eternal edge]

well'become leaders like Maximum:
Not in raid but leading 🤡

[obsidian otter]

they want people to play colosso and thane so they gotta kill slayer to the dirt!

[eternal edge]

btw i said to my RL that i'll plays arms during HC farm and if there is no buff, i'll switch to fury for S1 and stop after that.

[sharp wyvern]

21st man sending macros to the group

nah i think that got nerfed last week