arms

[obsidian otter]

I love my troll warrior!!

i normally always start with him but went with human for idk why reason for arms 🙁

[nova marsh]

You love not having feet?

[polar drum]

Anyone that can shed some light here?

[obsidian otter]

like boots ?

[nova marsh]

Yes

[obsidian otter]

his mog looks good in his boots!

[regal wharf]

Is it time to close our disc

[obsidian otter]

@nova marsh Hes a true zandalari!! gotta have the grippers out!!

[nova marsh]

Ya know wjat

Thats p good

[proper moth]

Bro why does warrior have so many buttons to push😩

[nova marsh]

Cuz blizz didnt prune at all

[proper moth]

I enjoy being smooth brain

What spec we leveling as?

[nova marsh]

Either are fine, but realistically fury

[obsidian otter]

if your ilv is 150+ arms is fine if less go fury

[timid elk]

Please bliz prune slam 🙏

[proper moth]

Gotcha gotcha.
I hate what they’ve done to the class man.
My DH slams it’s not even fair

Brain dead 4 buttons top the meters

[rare kite]

tbf dh slams almost anything

devourer is insane

[strong ginkgo]

Every time Blizz does pruning to Warriors, they approach it through malicious compliance. After people complain because they remove the fun parts, they say "we're sorry, we'll return the stuff that we removed and buff Slam and Rend juuuuust enough so that you can't ignore them"

[proper moth]

[proper moth]

Yeah 243 on the DH at 18% haste I’m over 100k dps consistently if my tank chain pulls and 45-50k ST

Got my warrior prepped to level and it feels so clunky in comparison. Warrior has been my long time main since wrath I dropped him in TWW

[obsidian otter]

aoe isnt the issue i constantly get over 100k aoe as arms its single that is hurting bad

[proper moth]

Ofc it’s been an issue for awhile in the spec tree. You AoE or you ST

Amount of effort as well I don’t do anything rotationally different on the DH to pump those numbers just a few micro adjustments in talents

Less buttons is better imo game should be more intuitive but I’m also not the same mythic sweat I used to be and aging

[obsidian otter]

you do all your MO tour this week?

on DK

[proper moth]

Yeah did the whole tour on DH already

[quiet bramble]

Mah guy you’re back

[obsidian otter]

I been here all day lol

[quiet bramble]

Assumption is always aaaaah

[oak kite]

sweet mother of god they nerfed arms again? 12.0.5 ptr notes? what the

[thick hamlet]

does arms have a "representative" like fury has archimtiros?

[minor gust]

wdym by representative?

[rare kite]

man is trying for a 2nd ban

[minor gust]

need to spam the frog gif to recieve an Archi ban

[obsidian otter]

oh i see why that name didnt register in my head smh

[obsidian otter]

i thought he represented all warriors but maybe its fishy or warrior1 who is arms if they have seperate reps I didnt realize he was fury only

[rare kite]

he's not fury only. just prefers playing fury

[vast helm]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgis9.gif

[obsidian otter]

I didn't realize there was representations for each spec

anyone leveling any alts wanna que for dungeons?

[vast helm]

save Arms.

[proper moth]

We’re getting nerfed in .5 patch cause of how big the buff we getting on Tuesday 😎

You can ss that and flame me when the notes drop and im obviously wrong😎

[grizzled falcon]

Arms get 5% aura buff but MS gets nerfed too.

[proper moth]

5% arua buff 20% MS nerf 20% slam buff slam becomes the main stay Arms ability

[grizzled falcon]

Demolish nerfed again.

[proper moth]

Demolish getting reworked to cast 3 slams

[wind hatch]

no you're right

[fossil thistle]

You guys see guardian one button rotation beats arms Sim dps on single target?

[dusty coyote]

i just saw the 12.0.5 patch notes

what

[fossil thistle]

Take it with a grain of salt, they aren’t Tuesday patch notes. Lots can change

[hoary palm]

where did you see that

[fossil thistle]

Noxxic

[hoary palm]

So does Prot apparently lol

[fossil thistle]

Yea I haven’t even tried doing M0 as arms because prot was doing just better damage. I’m really hoping to be good come Tuesday.
I have my Paladin at 242 and I’m going to level something else over this weekend, juuust in case

[hoary palm]

We do 1k more dps than Veng and Prot warrior to raid bosses

Thats crazy

[fossil thistle]

Lotta specs can use 10-20% buff and a handful can use 5-15% nerf (one class can benefit from a 30% nerf, I’ll let you guess)

[hoary palm]

Guardian is beating most DPS lol

They gotta get nerfed. Never seen tuning this bad ever

[quiet bramble]

is the hs macro bugged?

[slow saddle]

Facts

Its a crime

Some specs will get save by tier a bit

Not aems

[fossil thistle]

Iirc 4 set is like 8.5-9%?

[sweet tangle]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[fossil thistle]

😮‍💨 well at least safely be above tanks

[slow saddle]

Fam we lost 8%

From sd change

[fossil thistle]

Yea in 6-8 weeks

Tuesday tuning

[fading isle]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgis9.gif

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

[slow saddle]

Yeah, but m8 8 %

I mean i guess i can understand in theory

If they wanna decouple reap from sy

[tight wing]

Dumb Question, Does Dreadnaught hit the original target of overpower?

[nova marsh]

as far as I know yes

No wait it absoutlely does

cuz I remeber how busted it was for ST in df

[tight wing]

cool ty, it's so hard to tell lol

[minor gust]

Dreadnaught is just a thin line aoe that stems from the direction of your character and the target you hit with op

thought it was always from infront of your character but turns out it always goes in the direction of your target

[tight wing]

oh thats good to know

[quiet bramble]

frozen, wonder if you also notice the HS macro bug?

[minor gust]

For example your character could be facing 90 degree away and DN will still do a straight line through your target

[minor gust]

uh no clue I dont use the HS macro

[nova marsh]

Why thou

That sounds...more reliable then a line from the character

Just sounds odd

[tight wing]

thats nice, I've been turning to face every time xD

[quiet bramble]

am i missing sth for the HS spell to be tracked on cdm?

[nova marsh]

Slam

[minor gust]

you track HS on the cdm by tracking slam

[minor gust]

means you dont have to ever worry about the way your character is facing

🤷

[quiet bramble]

imma recheck, im blind for not seeing slam on cdm

[minor gust]

if you dont see something on the cdm change your cdm profile to something else then change it back

bottom left corner

known bug

[rose ibex]

I still have faith arms will one day see some love

[nova marsh]

I mean yeah, just not what I expected. Also how the fuck did I main arms for the whole of df and not notice

[quiet bramble]

ye i see it now, aaaaah bug

[minor gust]

I didnt notice either until I decided to test it to see if it was possible to miss DN on your primary target because I always assumed the aoe was always from the front of your character

[rose ibex]

These ptr changes make no logical sense and I doubt they are final. Even if they go through it wouldnt be the first or last time they dumpster a spec for no reason but it won't last forever either

[minor gust]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgis9.gif

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

[nova marsh]

I mean I know theyre not final

Both warrior specs are probably gonna tell me "dude you are literally deleting slayer with these"

[rose ibex]

-5% aura debuff

[nova marsh]

But still what is the logic here

Espically for arms dude

[rose ibex]

Yeah it doesnt make sense

[nova marsh]

The apec that has the literal worst st in the game

NEEDED A ST NERF?

[rose ibex]

And its weird they seem to REALLY want us to spam slam

[quiet bramble]

slam in the big 26

[rose ibex]

Like, it's absurdly silly

[quiet bramble]

improved MS pls

[rose ibex]

Maybe the tier set is stupidly overtuned but I hate that too

[slow saddle]

its not

[quiet bramble]

"maybe"

[rose ibex]

I just want to get in groups maaaaan

[slow saddle]

the change does make some sense

[nova marsh]

How thou

[slow saddle]

like removing ST from Reap

[quiet bramble]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgis9.gif

[slow saddle]

so Reap is only aoe help which means they can later tune aoe easier

[rose ibex]

Even if it does no damage it'll still be more fun than fury

[nova marsh]

That sounds short sighted and absoutlely stupis

[jolly lily]

yo i just saw the patch notes WTF
is there a reason they are changing stuff before the 3-4 different tuning phases?🤣

[slow saddle]

with no spread to st

NOW SD reap is one of the biggest feels good moments so i do hate it 100%

its a design choice

mad one

[nova marsh]

One i have to disagree with

[slow saddle]

100%

[thorn stream]

Feel is important too

[hardy flint]

It does make sense tbh. Like ppl here still play arms, so they had to do something to change that

[slow saddle]

instead just make reap ONLY come from SD

[nova marsh]

Reap is a major component of slayers damage in general rn, no?

[slow saddle]

ONLY

and tune accordingly

[rose ibex]

The spec at least feels good even though the numbers are pretty mediocre

[slow saddle]

"felt"

now we know

[thorn stream]

Im aware

[slow saddle]

tuning wise it makes sense as its then easier to tune

[thorn stream]

It will feel good 2 months from now

[slow saddle]

but i hate it

[thorn stream]

Enjoy

[nova marsh]

Like am I crazy or does this seem like an extreme change for a mid season patch?

[rose ibex]

I may just force my friends to play with my deadweight ass haha

[thorn stream]

*till

[slow saddle]

not rly

[rose ibex]

At least I have engineering battle rez :P

[slow saddle]

they changed it to this mid beta

[nova marsh]

Yes but

[slow saddle]

because we wanted it

BECAUSE

hear me out

IT MADE SENSE

[nova marsh]

Do i have to say beta isnt in the middle of a god damn season

[slow saddle]

now we pressed exe in aoe as its supposed to

[thorn stream]

Because it makes execute relevant on the execute hero tree ?

Pogg

[slow saddle]

keep in mind if we arent viable until 05 patch they kindda win 😉

nothing lost

[nova marsh]

[rose ibex]

Maybe i just play colossus and tank my single target even more

[slow saddle]

reap changes means Slayer and COL does same dmg ST wise

or well very very close

[nova marsh]

I mean our st already dosent exist

[slow saddle]

now they can in theory tune ST a lot

( AND LET COL COOOK )

[nova marsh]

0-0 is still zero

[slow saddle]

so we get 1 fucking tier of COL

hey dont be like that

we just need a

50% aura buff to be... well

uhdk ish

no i lied

at 50% we are well

mid

[rose ibex]

Make demolish one big super charge up aoe instead that just trucks everything around you in a big circle

[thorn stream]

They also forgot the line where it says that bladestorm channels as fast as fury’s now

[slow saddle]

nono Demolish

will be 3 swings

to succed u must hit the button 3 times at the correct intervals

if u fail u are stuck on floor for 5 seconds

[jolly lily]

i feel like its a 50% nerf coming 🤣

[rose ibex]

I like the idea of timed hits

[slow saddle]

nah fam fuck off

[rose ibex]

It does fill the arms warrior fa fantasy

Big precise hits

[nova marsh]

Genuinely this is the one time

Where i dont see blizzards picture for balancing

[obsidian otter]

gotta trust in the proccess they know what they are doing!

[nova marsh]

I also feel like this is a pretty preemptive change

[thorn stream]

Isn’t Colo ST just doa till it gets an execute node ?

[nova marsh]

I mean its always been dead but not for lack of exe

[thorn stream]

Sure besides tuning ofc

[warped solstice]

Execute doesn't hit like it used to anyway. I long for the days of being mid for 80% of the fight and rocketing up at the end to overtake everyone. That was the fun shit.

[nova marsh]

Can't have that when your damage is flat

[warped solstice]

[rose ibex]

I loved fishing for condemns at front end and back end of health bars

[dawn wasp]

Is there a way to track WHEN Slam Procs into heroic strike? So far all I'm seeing is a way in the cooldown manager to track when Master of warfare is applied AFTER I use Heroic strike. I'm trying to find a way to apply a sound for when Slam procs into Heroic strike

[thorn stream]

boss encounter proceeds to end at 40% hp : „jokes on you“

[rose ibex]

I couldn't find a way

[nova marsh]

Track slam itself. Dunno about a sound in base cdm

[warped solstice]

Mreh. That was maybe 1 fight a tier. There were equally many fights where the boss had low health for the most important parts.

[nova marsh]

Could always try arc ui

[dawn wasp]

I technically do have it tracked, but I'd rather have an audio cue as well but.. damn

I'm using arc UI but not seeing anything there either

[thorn stream]

Yea I’m just memeing (:

[nova marsh]

Not sure if addons can even do sound alerts now

[rose ibex]

I just have master of warfare as a tracked bar

[ornate jetty]

You can try using something like TellMeWhen to only "show" when the ability icon glow is active and play a sound when "shown"

[warped solstice]

No, you see, sound alerts are the game "playing itself". Reddit told me that.

[ornate jetty]

since we can detect icon glows with addons we can perform operations based on that information

[dawn wasp]

Oh, hm, I ahven't used TellMeWhen in forever. I'll give that a shot

[nova marsh]

You have literally no idea how much that argument makes me want to throw a collapsing star at reddit

Ffs not even actual cheats play the game for you

[warped solstice]

I'll allow it, but only if you can't track that proc with Weak Auras.

[nova marsh]

Well most cheats

[rose ibex]

I really like the sound queues they added to the game

Helps me use my free bite procs on feral

I should add a sound queue for sudden death

[tight wing]

I find the lack of addons easy to deal with because I never really used much to begin with, Only used DBM for raiding, had WA for the joke WA (bc why not), and I used to have bartender but got rid of that in DF

so I actually have more than I'm used to with recent updates lol

[nova marsh]

I unironically feel like I use addons more now

[rose ibex]

Tbh I love the new built in stuff they added. Its great!

[nova marsh]

Over most other xpacks

[warped solstice]

Lack of WA didn't make me an inherently worse player, but my UI looks like dogshit compared to last expansion.

[rose ibex]

I pretty much only use add-ons for convenience kinda stuff like map icons

[nova marsh]

Im genuinely happier with my ui now thou

Cuz I spent like 6 hours setting it up

[warped solstice]

Haven't found anything that holds a candle to SUF. That was the real loss for me. MSUF is close-ish, but lacks some options.

But the sheer amount of customization I had between SUF and WA will be missed.

[nova marsh]

Id jokingly say I kinda miss having a threat meyer

But I dont play a class that insta rips anymore anyways so why tf do I care

[slow saddle]

i use MORE addons

[pulsar frost]

Ui stuff was the best use of weakauras for me snd I will miss it

[warped solstice]

Oh, and Blizzard dsmage meter is dogshit. Buggy as hell and no useful death logs. 🙄

[slow saddle]

coz weakaura could do a lot more

[pulsar frost]

I do very much miss spell reflect wa tho

[slow saddle]

nah

that weakarua i dont

u can turn on targeted and voice

its the same if a little bit worse

[nova marsh]

Weak auras being essentially forked into like 20 different addons is...something

[slow saddle]

but works easily enough

[slow saddle]

ikr

i mean its for the better of the game but man

it was so easy

just dl weakauras and the PACK for UI

[warped solstice]

I need an addon now to remind me I'm in def stance. Dumb.

[nova marsh]

It also could be better for performance too

[slow saddle]

my ui looked good with small modification

[pulsar frost]

I just liked seeing it and just clicking. But not everything is reflectable and the voice tells you everything thats even not reflectablw no?

[tight wing]

I think the only WA addon I use now is Myu's Knowlege point tracker

[slow saddle]

here knowledge comes in

i know which spells are

it just lets me know im targeted its enough in m+ enviorment tbh

[nova marsh]

Anyone else remeber when blizzard randomly broke models in weak auras and tanked our fps

[slow saddle]

ive played with it in m0 and dont feel like i miss more or fewer reflects

[pulsar frost]

I get the basic simple looking reflectable spells. But I cba to look and learn everything when the wa just pops up when im being targeted to let me know to click it lol

[tight wing]

how do you set a noise for getting targeted? I like that Idea

[pulsar frost]

Its in the combat voice assistant settings or something like that

[tight wing]

Thanks!

[slow saddle]

then u dont need to reflect

if u arent bothered to learn the basic of dungeons

[pulsar frost]

Nah reflect is useful and nice

[warped solstice]

I feel like I'm getting more reflects in these dungeons, but that may be due to the sheer amount of random casters there are in some of them.

[slow saddle]

yup

and ppl not using ANY cc

coz its m0 :D:D

[pulsar frost]

There's so much casters this expac man

[tight wing]

people don't use CC even at higher keys -_- (except the hardcores ofc)

[warped solstice]

No, Blizzard promised they would tone down casters when they made stops not full interrupt casts. They wouldn't lie, would they?

[slow saddle]

Tbf lets not

[pulsar frost]

They're a small indie company

[slow saddle]

say anything about caster amounts

[pulsar frost]

I expect no less

[slow saddle]

as u pull ENTIRE dungeon atm

most packs will be pulled according to caster count and shit once dungeons matter

[tight wing]

true lol

[warped solstice]

There's a single pack in Den that has three priority casters. It's gonna be a problem.

[pulsar frost]

What plater or playnator are you folks using if any

[pulsar frost]

That's a s2 issue

Ain't in the pool this season so I no worry

[warped solstice]

Or maybe all the timers will be tuned around only pulling one pack at a time

[obsidian otter]

the amount of aoe stuns and interupts classes have now and using Los casters are not a issue at all honestly

[pulsar frost]

But thats assuming folks actually do stuns. Kicks and los

[tight wing]

I don't use a nameplate addon

[warped solstice]

Platynator, but I just made it hella blocky cuz I'm used to Threat Plates for forever.

[obsidian otter]

all ive been doing is pugs and everyone interupts or uses aoe stuns and I think that has to do more so with now interupt meter is in game and people can easily be held accountable for. Plus most tanks have enough in their kit if just one dps throws out a aoe stun to handle them

[pulsar frost]

Do you like the default plates? To me the red and look doesnt look the greatest

[tight wing]

my stuff just looks like this

[obsidian otter]

even in +15s in beta pugs had no issues with any of the seasonal dungeons

[pulsar frost]

Whats the meter you speak of

The default details?

[obsidian otter]

yeah they show interupts now

[tight wing]

I Like it personally, Got all the info I NEED

[pulsar frost]

Folks that play beta. Espically keys tend to be the better then average players. Espically folks actually key tho

[tight wing]

and it's not too cluttery

[warped solstice]

Do the default plates change on threat?

[tight wing]

yeah, they get wavey lines based on your current threat level

[pulsar frost]

You see i played boomie last season as my main. The plates are a no go for me based on that season and judt not liking how they look

[obsidian otter]

I always have mine running for interupts overall in groups

[pulsar frost]

But since im back on the warrior I'll figure it out

[warped solstice]

I just need big blocky plates so I can actually click a specific one. The Blizzard ones were too narrow for me.

[pulsar frost]

I wonder what % or amount of average players actually use the meters or the kick meter

[pulsar frost]

Interesting. I prefer mine kinda small to mid. Stacking ofc. But not like chunky ya know

[warped solstice]

I like the chonky bois.

Who needs to see what the mob looks like? Show me their health.

[pulsar frost]

Its always interesting seeing folks ui and keybinds

[pulsar frost]

I dont really look at mobs. I just need stacking plates and im gucci

[tight wing]

you can increase the size with base game

[slow saddle]

Wait

i have another question

how the Fuck do we apply overwhelmed then ?

[tight wing]

wait

you got a point

[warped solstice]

They should tack it onto WW. We need more WW spam.

[minor gust]

Oh yeah this is a nerf not a buff practice strikes is currently 20% for MS slam and cleave. They lowered it to 15% and added WW

[fresh spire]

Bladestorm

[pulsar frost]

Are you arms players ww spamming on slayer like them fury players are gonna be

[warped solstice]

At least WW spam will make Fury more braindead. Can't have them tracking a 4 point buff, that'd be too hard.

[slow saddle]

bladestorm does it via strikes doesnt it ?

reaps

[tight wing]

no

[slow saddle]

nah true

so that means we will just have stacks drop off

in ST

great ?

[pulsar frost]

Tracking no different then sweeping strikes tho since cdm does it

[slow saddle]

unless we spam WW to get it up ?

[minor gust]

Likely not, also would require cleave to get nerfed first. WW ain't far behind tho

[warped solstice]

True. You don't REALLY track it. I'm just memeing.

[pulsar frost]

Imagining arms with ww spamming sounds and looks awful in my mind rn lmao

[tight wing]

are they removing MS from Reap the storm then?

[slow saddle]

yes

its ONLY for Aoe

so

[tight wing]

so wth we gonna do for ST then

[warped solstice]

That's the fun part. Nothing.

Dust off Colo, I guess. 😂

[faint salmon]

I just did an m0 as arms and it was painful

[tight wing]

ah gottta go get my fancy clothes set up, getting ready to sit there and look pretty

[slow saddle]

Spam WW ?

[faint salmon]

So much wet noodle

[slow saddle]

for a proc

or just have it drop off

[warped solstice]

I'm just sad MS and Execute don't hit harder. Remove Slam from the game and put all its damage split between those two and I'd be happy.

[pulsar frost]

If Interested. A bloodbath as fury can and does hit harder then a fully buffed mortal strike its insane

[fresh spire]

The nerfs our colossus and slayer close. If we get aura tuning time to log in colossus

[pulsar frost]

Like I've seen bloodbath hit like 60k+ meanwhile full ms buffed doesnt at times lol

[thick kelp]

Cant wait for 0.5 patch and login for some Colossus ST

[warped solstice]

And you can hit it much more often.

[thick kelp]

unless they hotfix our tierset to affect WW and hotfix these changes to live

[faint salmon]

I do a lot more dps when I’m tanking

[pulsar frost]

Tanks just overturned damage wise

[pulsar frost]

This is also very true. Bloodbath being the rage generator too

Wasn't last season or whatever overpower was hitting harder then MS

Or the prio

[warped solstice]

I've always thought Fury was a bit upside-down. The generators hit harder than the spender. 🤷‍♂️

Well... Not always, but it's been the case for a while now.

[pulsar frost]

Its one of those things about tuning and how they wanna go about it. Boomie had the same issue in s3 of tww compared to s2

Ideally for a generator and spending spec you'd want the spender to be the biggest damage which it kinda still is but not the way id like imo

Same thing for overpower and MS/cleave

[warped solstice]

I legitimately feel that Blizzard doesn't understand what makes Warrior as a class fun. But I digress.

[fresh spire]

They won't. Let's be real we would ww spam in Cs to keep it up

[pulsar frost]

What does make warrior a fun class

[fresh spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1314374602285125712/1380938748677722223/WhyTheFuckHaveYouBeenDrinkingSoMuchMilkIfYouKnewYouWereLactoseIntolerantJesusChristDude.gif

Me reading changes

[warped solstice]

For me? BIG hits. Generators could do basically nothing as long as you can hit that juicy MS or Rampage.

[dawn wasp]

Holy christ TellMeWhen is not intuitive at all

[pulsar frost]

Rampage probably doing solid considering its generally the modt damage in meters. MS hitting like a wet noodle rn suckss tho

Espiclaly in PVP

Like thats not the class fantasy I remember back in MoP where arms was fun

[warped solstice]

Rampage still lowest priority below 100 rage feels weird. You should want to hit that button like you're a crack addict and it's your only fix.

( I get why it is how it is, but still. )

[pulsar frost]

I somewhat agree and disagree. While yes you're not wrong but generally its judt to jot cap on the resource. Boomie was the same way. Starfall being the spender which normally does lots of damage

If you rampage under 100 rage it can feel wonky espically if you're rage deprived

[warped solstice]

Anyway, this is the Arms channel and MS and Execute both feel bad man.

[pulsar frost]

Oh yeah for sure. Ms cookie. Dont remember execute damage top of my head

[thick kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/590333020737634333/1333138506612211752/--.gif

[warped solstice]

MoP was my favorite rendition of Arms.

[pulsar frost]

It was so fun mortal striking

But at last its no more

[warped solstice]

And MS resetting OP was nice cus you basically just spent all of your rage on MS. Lol.

[pulsar frost]

Id like to think thats how it should be. Overpower gen rage. Mortal strike the spender. Tho overpower in some seasons did serious damage

[tight wing]

it does good damage right now

Overpower

[warped solstice]

OP, kind of does gen rage. Not directly, but it doesn't actively spend it, so hitting it is rage positive.

[pulsar frost]

Idk i judt view it as that. It generates rage when i click. Ms uses it so shrug

[warped solstice]

OP feels good right now.

[pulsar frost]

Wasn't S3 of tww OP was the main ability due to talents?

[warped solstice]

I pretty much only played Fury throughout S3, so Im not the authority on that. 😂

[pulsar frost]

I was mainly off specing fury but I remember dabbling a bit into arms

[tight wing]

my Main specs have always been prot then arms, for warrior at least, only play fury when I'm reaaally bored lol or doing world stuff bc of the self healing

[warped solstice]

I feel like prot is infinitely better at world stuff than either of the DPS specs. Just pull like the whole zone.

[pulsar frost]

That's any tank tho

[tight wing]

yeah but it's too slow in comparison imo

[pulsar frost]

Nah tanks cracking deeps rn. Just pull whole room. Number goes up

[tight wing]

oh yeah, I've been tanking dungeons pulling up to about 110k DPS as prot, but things don't reset in dungeons so I can have a bigger pack

[warped solstice]

Not when you pull the whole zone and AoE them down.

I'm usually fighting like 6-8 things at a time while questing as Prot.

[dim basalt]

Thats what I do as Fury too

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tight wing]

I do it as arms

[warped solstice]

I haven't tried Fury for open world since I got it geared. Might have to revisit.

[solemn blaze]

Yooo I use that hood too

[slow saddle]

WDYM what about imminent demise

??

its also gone

or ?

[rare kite]

no free reap the storm on sd

[slow saddle]

like

if they dont

[fresh spire]

No reap in ms

[fresh spire]

Slayer is dead

I hope you are ready for demolish

[thick kelp]

me when reap the strom only gets procced by cleave and ww

Thank god we cleave in ST with mass execution

5head move by blizz

[fresh spire]

Me when my dev team actually did a huge stinky turd this time

[warped solstice]

Blizzard would prefer if you don't play Arms. Or maybe even Warrior at all.

[fresh spire]

I dont even think blizzard know what their doing

[slow saddle]

I MEAN

[thick kelp]

I highkey thought I had a fever dream about these changes

[slow saddle]

hmm

[fresh spire]

As arms as just been slop

[slow saddle]

its just they need to change entire

hero tree

for this 1 change no ?

[fresh spire]

Go back I don't want to be monkey

[slow saddle]

like buffs can compensate ofc

[solemn blaze]

fucking ret paladins get the full class fantasy

[slow saddle]

but SD reap was fun and i wished they just keep ONLY that

[fresh spire]

4 days before raid they drop is nuclear bomb btw

[solemn blaze]

we get "just use slam lol"

[fresh spire]

[tight wing]

they took the ST out of the ST build

[slow saddle]

like if ONLY SD REAPED

[warped solstice]

But sometimes Slam gets shiny and has a name that's a nostalgia hit.

[slow saddle]

better solution

its a 100% chance no RNG

[fresh spire]

Better solution

Go back

[warped solstice]

Not that it's even remotely close to what HS was in the past.

[fresh spire]

Actually tune reap

[slow saddle]

it just makes EXE bis in AOE AND ST
like its supposed to ?

[solemn blaze]

if it was like it was back in the day? Off cooldown at least?

Maybe maybe

[slow saddle]

nono i do agree gettin reap from sev sources might cause issues

[minor gust]

They saw us having fun even with the low tuning, so they had to make sure they killed the fun in the .5 patch of all things

[fresh spire]

If they aura arms and nerf cleave the same amount

We will 100% ww spam

[solemn blaze]

We had fun this patch?

[thick kelp]

but im NGL i was owning last night in my m0 world tour with the Slayer WW build by fishy ™

[tight wing]

I've been having fun

[fresh spire]

[warped solstice]

Make it like it was back in the day. Off GCD, and make it apply the damage to your next MS stacking up to like 3 times or something. And replace Slam with that permanently.

[solemn blaze]

I dunno doing less damage than a tank aint my idea of fun

[minor gust]

Slayer gameplay was perfect

[tight wing]

I can get up to ~200k DPS atm, depending on group size

[solemn blaze]

I'll wait on warrior changes

Till then, resto/ele shaman it is

And housing

[thick kelp]

Hop on the WW Slarms

Play ST rotation but just send a WW at 3 collat

[solemn blaze]

is the heroic strike talent 4/4?

[thick kelp]

1/4

[solemn blaze]

ait

ill give it a try

[thick kelp]

oh

its 3/4 mb

brainfart

[warped solstice]

[tight wing]

I'll stick with my 4/4 tyvm

[minor gust]

you can pretend like your pressing cleave but it's actually WW and you do no smg

[rare kite]

https://tenor.com/view/finnish-smg-jatimatic-guns-gun-gif-13854759

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/puffer-fish-what-the-heck-gif-24866376

[solemn blaze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239079446732869743/1290766375765413958/ezgif-7-f82d4a7d07.gif

[rare kite]

smg

[minor gust]

[rare kite]

bruv why you edit

[minor gust]

It's 3 am I'm ready for bedge

[rare kite]

smh my head

[minor gust]

[minor gust]

Idk what you're talking about

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

https://tenor.com/view/peanutting-it-the-burnt-peanut-gif-11603416929582216884

[dawn wasp]

okay legit, what are people using to better track when Heroic Strike is up> If using TellMeWhen, how are you setting it up? Whatever I did didn't work at all

[dawn wasp]

can only track master at arms for AFTER heroic strike is used, and there doesn't seem to be an option to track when Heroic Strike is active

[warped solstice]

Lol. Yeah, it's not hard to tell, really.

[dawn wasp]

I do have that, and it's a visual cue, sure, but I was hoping to add a sound cue too

but there doesn't seem to be an option to do that for when it activates, only after you use it

[warped solstice]

Someone above said they could use TellMeWhen to make an audio cue when the slam button has button glow.

I.E. when HS procs

[dawn wasp]

I installed it and set an audio cue but it was the same outcome. I only got the audio cue for when master of warfare was active

not when heroic strike was usable

[warped solstice]

No idea then. Good luck figuring it out. Let the class know if you do.

[dawn wasp]

I mean, I HAVE TO now otherwise it's going to drive me insane, but I was hoping to be lazy and steal somebody elses work god damn it

[dense sphinx]

just do the critcake method

[atomic mountain]

how good are the "buffs"? kinda feels underwhelming

[supple oyster]

Play mage ?

[warped solstice]

The ones we have seen for 12.0.5 are decidedly not buffs.

[wary steppe]

i dont think this is the tuning patch they were talking about

[warped solstice]

It's not, but we haven't seen the tuning patch notes yet.

[pulsar frost]

Soon or later we will

[warped solstice]

Tomorrow afternoon is what I've heard.

[pulsar frost]

I hope so

Kinda lame ptr notes wnet out before the one coming next week

[rare kite]

what can they kill next?

[minor gust]

Damn bro you read all that and thought we got buffed???

[slow saddle]

The BUFF IS CLEAR

we no longer care about reap tuning

so

now they can easily tune us

Surely

[rare kite]

surely

[tight wing]

doing some testing on training dummies, my mortal strike seems to be hitting twice?

(w/o sweeping obv)

[thick hamlet]

i just assumed he's the "fury guy" and we had no "arms guy" yet

[tight wing]

Nvm /reloaded and its gone sad

[sharp dust]

Damn bro you just got a fixed version of arms and you reloaded

[tight wing]

ikr

[sharp dust]

[tight wing]

rip

[fresh spire]

When arms warriors have peaked being down bad nerfs are buffs

[rare kite]

i'm sure there is something else we like that they can remove. maybe free rend application at 35%?

[fresh spire]

Rend was removed. Rend was readded

[valid walrus]

can they stop nerfing arms?! the fuck

[proper moth]

We're getting nerfed cause we're getting a legendary

[minor oyster]

Rend was removed

[tight wing]

removes this choice node

[minor oyster]

• When you are bladestorming your talent tree points are shuflled

[tight wing]

that'd be kinda fun/funny tho

[stoic palm]

Lets gooo more nerfs🫶🏼 i was doing to much damage🙃

[halcyon valve]

4 days until 10% aura buff 🙏

[tight wing]

10% aint saving us

[round garden]

what does aura buff mean?

[stoic palm]

Nah they need a bully sepc🤣 we be the one everbody gona bully🥲

[slender sonnet]

2% aura

[tight wing]

send it to ret

[stuck axle]

legion s1 arms when

[dim basalt]

overall increase / decrease from the base 1

[round garden]

ty

[restive mango]

More like 3%
as usual

[blissful tree]

meanwhile kalamazi "It does feel like a 20-25% buff to Unstable Affliction is not too much to ask for in the upcoming Heroic week tuning pass."

[fresh spire]

Meanwhile archi "it does feel like a 100% buff to arms is not to much to ask for the upcoming heroic week of tuning"

[vale gorge]

Did we get nerf ? I don't get it

[fresh spire]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

[arctic compass]

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[severe crag]

Feel like all I can say about this class is a hearty WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON.

They genuinely have no clue what to do with both of these dps specs.

[vast helm]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

[slender sonnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1481704156178940025/amgm6l.gif

[daring heron]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-hiromi-hiromi-higuruma-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-gif-3977056725828219167

[wicked slate]

I've been trying to avoid reading guides in pre-season, but I just noticed I shouldnt be taking 4/4 in my apex talent???

[sharp dust]

Yeah

Causes desyncs

But now you have an extra point for the arms tree 🥰

[wicked slate]

Oh boy...

[fresh spire]

With this treasure I summon. Bruh-goragah

I'm actually mad at these changes usually I like to doom for memes but fuck this is miserable.

Lock in thane and colossus boys

Slayers done for

[tight wing]

teh desync is great

extra uptime

see

(Boss DPS)

[sonic marsh]

Don't post these screenshots Blizzard will nerf us

[tight wing]

true lol

[vast helm]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-hiromi-hiromi-higuruma-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-gif-3977056725828219167

[tight wing]

things are gonna desync anyways, may as well lean into it and get more uptime for your trouble

[dim basalt]

Things are not supposed to desync a lot tho

[daring heron]

reap is clearly way too high on this breakdown

i understand blizzard now

i also see deep wounds

[blissful tree]

just buff MS and BS and you dont need reap.

and buff rage gain

[tight wing]

I won't share my opinions on rage gain, I fear blizzard will see them and react poorly

[sharp wyvern]

Blizzard just listened to the feedback that we had to much rage and it felt cosmetic

This is what we wrought

[fresh spire]

Good job that's gone from. 12% on colossus aoe to 4%

[blissful tree]

i can see the vision blizz has. they get rid of reap for st and buff it for mt. and for that, we will get tuning on all other spells. and maybe the desync with 4/4 apex is also a good thing. HS reduces the CD so that you will have 3 CS between every other avatar. maybe they just have to fix the algorythm.

[fresh spire]

Insane cope

Now imagine fury where its better to press 6 ww in a row then only use bt and rampage on aoe for enrage uptime

[rough phoenix]

Looking at the datamined changes, is there any difference in Bloodletting saying "have" Rend vs "know" Rend, or is it just for clarity?

[tight wing]

As far as I'm aware, it's just for clarity but I could be wrong

[rough phoenix]

gotcha

[vast helm]

save Arms

[lusty slate]

I don’t think arms can be saved at this point , look from df and ww patches , they lean the wrong way

[marble valve]

maybe +100% damages on all abilities

[topaz python]

pretty much sure that is not an ST boss

[tight wing]

it is, it's just the one with a 300% damage increase xD

[topaz python]

oh :D

[tight wing]

I usually do around 30k-35k ST

[daring heron]

that's too much

[sharp wyvern]

This guy has enchants

[topaz python]

ret in my guild is doing 45k+ st on boss

[chilly wind]

Man, seeing the nerfs again, think I am gonna dust of my old love Arms, not gonna let Blizzard Break us

[sharp wyvern]

Cause they shut down they discord they are just better than us now

[tight wing]

hell yeah

[chilly wind]

Played that spec for ten years and tww was the first addon where I played another Class

[sharp wyvern]

Oh God your gonna have a rude awakening

[topaz python]

idk what they are cooking, maybe those 12.0.5 nerfs being implemented cause of buffs scheduled on first week of heroic tuning
copium maybe

[sharp wyvern]

Coming back after s3 DF to arms

[chilly wind]

😄

[sharp wyvern]

They gonna nerf bladestorm by 15% to justify the 20% buff in the .5 patch

[chilly wind]

I think they gonna remove heroic leap for arms

[sharp wyvern]

We can have 2 now so it's fine

[topaz python]

to get rid of QoL addon which shows leap CD?

[sharp wyvern]

No way people actually use that

[topaz python]

no doubts with some nerfs we will pretty much have to incorporate leap in our rotation to do damage

[sharp wyvern]

Charge weaving

Here we go again

[topaz python]

na, i mean to jump on target

[chilly wind]

Its unfair to the poor ret players who got no leap

[sharp wyvern]

They only have a mount and an immunity

[topaz python]

at least they have root removal

[sharp wyvern]

Poor bastards

[sharp wyvern]

But gnomes can't be paladins

[chilly wind]

You got a small Speed boost now, man what the hell? You still want More

[topaz python]

its funny to see 5% ms talent when DH just have 3 dashes to any direction, dash to a target, retreat, double jump, glide and ms buff from mastery also lmao

[chilly wind]

Yeah thats because we Are still paying for classic

[slow saddle]

does [Crucible of Erratic Energies] still not sim porperly

[thick kelp]

the void thing?

[sharp wyvern]

If your talking about the renown trinket archi said it doesn't proc for warrior

[slow saddle]

Nooo

for real ?

[sharp wyvern]

Which is why it sims low

[slow saddle]

does it proc for dk ?

[sharp wyvern]

It only procs from trinket procs etc

[slow saddle]

Malaka they shafting us

[topaz python]

for any warrior or purely on arms?

[sharp wyvern]

It's a warrior issue

No also for fury

[blissful tree]

in the feedback thread archi states that "Keep in mind that Whirlwind/Fervor don’t trigger the Apex either, so those points are practically dead." doesnt WW trigger a slam if it hits 3 or more targets?

[slow saddle]

Explains why it keeps wanting me to replace it

[sharp wyvern]

I replaced it with a 240 trinket and gained 2%

[slow saddle]

same

i just thought sims was bad KEK 😄

forgot We are warrior

[tight wing]

please tell me it's just a bug

[slow saddle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ssU8GXn8TGBnzEpHEh4CGN

[gentle gyro]

So why did they nerf arms even more in 12.0.5 again?

[keen crane]

Hi guys, how is arms warrior doing?

[slow saddle]

NONO

its same as last time GUYS

they are just moving DMG AROUND

to get the PERFECT breakdown

^_^

have faith brothers

so far weve only gotten a FEW strays FOR no REASON

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ikvZh2s1GqXzuMJ59s5bN5

tbf we arent that far from Dks as FURY

only

25k. thats almost nothing ...

no wait Fury currently needs a 50% aura buff to compete with dk 😉

arms need 100%

[dim basalt]

Can hardly speak about nerf when its just design changes

What it does %-wise does literally not matter

[thorn stream]

The design change just happens to suck

Unforch

[dim basalt]

ye

[slow saddle]

i mean the dmg hit is also real

and hurts

[gentle gyro]

Less RtS does affect damage wdym

[tight wing]

blizzard right now:
In Our testing, We’ve found that Arms does much higher damage than We would like. In response to this, We’ve decided to reduce the amount of damage of certain abilities that are overperforming, as well as reduce the chance some buffs have to activate.

[gentle gyro]

Missing mortal wounds from cleave affect damage wdym

[slow saddle]

id 100% prefer if they just made RTS only come from SD

that way going harder into EXECUTE and bladestorm

as spec is SUPPOSED to !

[tight wing]

more than 100% lol(granted, I don't have the best gear)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eyM5qRiV1oZKrf2FXY7mP2

[slow saddle]

still

😄

[topaz python]

design changes are intended to fix spec issues, not to kill it's damage yet again
those changes are not improving anything, just purely removes reap from ST and slayer execute in AOE

[slow saddle]

surely its coz u are collosus

NO WAIT

[slow saddle]

i mean removing Reap from st is prob not a horrid thing

BUT then they need to add Execute CLAP to our talent tree

SD clap that is

[topaz python]

just... why?

[slow saddle]

that way COL also wants to Exe

well to make sure COL also want to exe without making exe totally insan

e

i hate the change btw

but i can c a reasoning even if shitty af

[topaz python]

they pretty much removed 10% of your damage on st i mean

[slow saddle]

yup

so now Slayer and col are Very close 😄

so COL WILL BE BIS

[vale gorge]

This

[slow saddle]

Theres A chance

[topaz python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u65xwJF2pY5HxRkQjueRdg
we are fine

[oak flame]

Hello guys just a quick question. Are your deep wounds tracked on nameplates ?

[topaz python]

if you change patchwerk to target dummy resulst are even better btw

rocking out 22k dps

[tight wing]

simming a dg slice...

and removing lust

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hu477syaKTgMvvgNRa8wAk

time to learn collo ig

[marble valve]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wrhNhPU3Zn7vjP1ircuJof

colossus obv

[slow saddle]

this is so funny

like i cant describe it

SIMMING SUB 30k

😄

Thats WITH combat pots

and all buffs r

[slender sonnet]

[slow saddle]

so in a Dungeon

realisticly 22k ?

:D:DD::DD:D

[marble valve]

my lock by comparison:

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eLpfdRx3JYGra8cWKfL4g4

[slow saddle]

keep in mind the Col is in aoe spec

u have cleave talented that u dont use

and sim doesnt cleave in st

[valid walrus]

i was looking around the guides, what is the reason we only go 3/4 in the apex talent?

[tight wing]

working on ST Col spec lol

[fresh spire]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

[heavy heron]

Yeah wtf is that change

[sharp wyvern]

We don't want to desync our CDs

[valid walrus]

thx

so the last point is actually really dumb designed

[sharp wyvern]

Yes it nerfs us

[fresh spire]

Exactly. Wtf is this change

[sharp wyvern]

Let them cook

[fresh spire]

No more cooking

Revert. Aura. peice out

[sharp wyvern]

They can't ruin an already burnt spec

[tight wing]

it feels like a newbies puffer fish

[fresh spire]

It's all we fucking needed was an aura and they throw this dumb shit

[sharp wyvern]

They can only turn it into coal

And coal makes diamonds

[fresh spire]

Puffer fish are cool though. Arms is no longer cool

Nor is slayer fury

[tight wing]

I mean the food

[fresh spire]

[tight wing]

the one that kills you if not done right

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-puffer-fish-stare-meme-ocean-gif-11489829240534924995

Got any games

[echo sand]

Any hot new Arms memes today?

[sharp wyvern]

As soon as arms actually kills someone while they are playing it maybe they do something

He asked in the 24/7 arms meme channel

[fresh spire]

Someone compared arms aoe to cat shit on the forum. Based should make a meme about it

I'm going to make the ww gif lizard at some point at work

[sharp wyvern]

Someone already made that yesterday

[fresh spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/284226322585354241/1413178488713642104/GIF_20250904_160623_708.gif

Really, I missed it

[sharp wyvern]

I saw it I can't remember who tho

Was in the fury channel obviously

[fresh spire]

Ah that's why I didn't see it

I rarely look in fury

Found it.

[sharp wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1481791866067226806/WWgoesbrr.gif

[tight wing]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1481791866067226806/WWgoesbrr.gif

[fresh spire]

I kinda want to add damage numbers to it

But its also funny there is no numbers as arms does 0 damage

[sharp wyvern]

Reap procs are missing tho

[fresh spire]

Nah ww reaps now

[echo sand]

Futureproof meme when they remove Reap procc chance from WW

[daring heron]

nsct is gone so cant even spam the icons anymore...

i miss nsct...

[valid walrus]

you can replace that with Arms in general, not just slayer XD

[fresh spire]

I used slayer as fury in same shit hole

[oak flame]

Hello guys just a quick question. Are your deep wounds tracked on nameplates ?

[slow saddle]

Dno, why do u care?

[tight wing]

yes

[slow saddle]

As in dont think it affects any choices

[tight wing]

after further testing, not on nameplates on CD manager, got them confused somehow

[dim basalt]

No need to track DW

[slow saddle]

I asked why he wanted 2 track

Just passive dmg

[tight wing]

I needed 1 more thing to put on my CDM to make it fit right lol

[dim basalt]

Fair enough

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/god-damn-angry-annoyed-gif-5997242

You boys are being more savage than normal

[wooden lava]

do you guys know how to remove these annoying tips that pop up

it's driving me nuts

every time I log in

[icy mulch]

Should come to the official forums and see the clowns running damage control for Blizzard.

[tight wing]

mind linking the post?

[icy mulch]

At work right now

[tight wing]

I'll search it then, most recent?

[wooden lava]

ty

[tight wing]

np!

[wooden lava]

that shit was driving me mad

[wooden lava]

is it blizzard or users?

[wooden lava]

I hope Greil isn't up to his usual tactics

[slender sonnet]

If you find it can you link it

I wanna see them try and defend this dogshit

[tight wing]

yep

[fresh spire]

He called the arms changes the equivalent of a cats litter box (shit)

Bros actually said something i agree with for once lol

[oak kite]

we are getting %100 damage buff flat or we are raiding blizz hq

we talked enough i say kick down the gates of blizz hq and go full zerg

[fresh spire]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision/2270878

For USA bros who want to add their opinion on the changes

[tight wing]

thanks lol I couldn't find it, must be pretty far down

that or I'm blind, which is entirely possible

[icy mulch]

Could certainly be a bot account used by Blizzard, but it was not a blue post.

[icy mulch]

He kinda is, but even he's got the "WTF" view.

[oak kite]

last time i spammed ww as arms was in shadowlands? i remember doing m+ dungeon of a warlords of draenor one. maybe the train one? the first boss a jetpack goblin and ogre? i remember it being very powerful and every m+ arms pusher was using that.

[tight wing]

the amount of posts that are of the "WTF" view on the forums should really tell them what's going on, they seem to be quite deaf to our plight, however

[wooden lava]

holy shit, pigs are gonna start flying

[slow saddle]

@minor gust gj

[icy mulch]

That's when we had Merciless bonegrinder

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-take-gif-13316906

[proper moth]

It’s amazing to me that we still have class design issues this bad we have 20 years of feedback for this class

[eternal edge]

@smoky kayak will you write something for arms like others did in wowhead?
Very interested about it.

[proper moth]

Literally would take you like an hour to comb through what was good and bad from each expansion

[vapid pine]

He already did no?
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision/2270878/4

[eternal edge]

That my bad thanks

but i was talking about wowhead not forums but thanks anyway xD

[slow saddle]

I love this 1. Its current i guess the last bar is gone in 12.05

[plucky fern]

is blizzard even reading their own forums

or are we just coping with this thread

[slow saddle]

I mean i thikk decoupling reap from st.is an idea

But hear me out

Just remove every spell exept sd from reap

[cold hull]

idk if any1 is dwelling on pvp subreddit but this is peak

[slow saddle]

Reap now has purpose, in aoe and st

While lettin other spells do their thinf

[fresh spire]

Reap is now renamed seismic reverberation

[slow saddle]

Its so fuckin easy

[fresh spire]

Expect it has a chance to proc extra cleave damage

[olive nest]

Today is the day prepare for ultimate doom or glory

[fresh spire]

Oh it's still fucked bud

[slow saddle]

No1 would care if they removed from bt//ms//cleave

[fresh spire]

Regardless of tuning. Slayers going to play like doggggshit

[slow saddle]

Just keep it on sd

[fresh spire]

Hope your ready to demolish

[slow saddle]

I am

[olive nest]

Demolish in raid!

[slow saddle]

Yyp

I mean for 1 season id like that

But solution isnt guttin slayer😅

[thorn stream]

20% buff to slowstorm when we wont reduce its cd with SD

[rapid bronze]

Good morning to everyone except the warrior dev

[fresh spire]

[olive nest]

Rip SD reap 3/26

[vapid pine]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/master-of-whatfare-arms-warrior-issues-with-apex-talents-380741?utm_source=discord-webhook

[thick kelp]

46 seconds ago

bro

[olive nest]

[thorn stream]

When will we get bs as fast as furys? ( i know it got initially introduced for enrage reason)

[eternal edge]

quick mate, thank you

[olive nest]

Have you seen the way arms has been shaping

Yeah bro they’ll probably make it last longer if anything

[wooden lava]

has details functionality been reduced?

[last nebula]

Yes

It’s basically a skin of the ingame dps meter

[vapid pine]

F5 gaming for patch notes for next week paid off

[last nebula]

But it has a few extra things

[wooden lava]

it won't show me the dmg I did to each target

[slow saddle]

Yes

It sucks

[tranquil oar]

Archimtiros thank you for the wowhead Post !

[slow saddle]

It 100% apex talent needs rework😅🤣

4th 1

That is

[thick kelp]

You should be f5'ing when its like 3pm cali time

[latent moss]

or how much dmg individual hits do or crit or anything

it mega sucks

[thick kelp]

so like 7-8 hours for us

[vapid pine]

I can F5 both now and then

[thorn stream]

Based

[slender sonnet]

I just can't agree with this statement. Fundamentally I don't believe arms gens enough rage, and without reworking rage sources, you can throw all the numbers tuning you want at the spec it's just not gonna work, imo.

[vapid pine]

I mean in theory you can "tune" rage cost and generation too, even if I don't think they will

[slender sonnet]

Yeah tuning is a vague enough word for it but on the underatanding that -generally- tuning = adjusting damage numbers and reworking = changing how an ability woeks

At least that's how I interpret it

Sorry can't type so good on my phone couple typos in there

[eternal edge]

tuning is for change numbers like you said so changing how many rage you get each time is tuning

so it may fix some range of gameplay problems yes

[slender sonnet]

Yeah maybe Im just being picky

[eternal edge]

TBH, rage generation is always (or almost) an issue with arms in the beginning of a new expansion

[slender sonnet]

But reworking so that OP and DW gen rage

Would make the spec play so much better imo

Then 30% aura

[tight wing]

what if cleave was removed and sweeping strikes reworked to be more like Outlaws blade flurry?

[slender sonnet]

I kinda like cleave

[eternal edge]

hate it
WW can dmg all around you
Cleave can't

[slender sonnet]

It felt satisfying in tww to build up the stacks and press ravager and do a huge cleave

[eternal edge]

and personally i'm one of the most hater of WW

but WW has better design

[slender sonnet]

Just make cleave do damage in a circle around you rather than a cone

And it's infinitely better

[eternal edge]

yep

[slender sonnet]

And make it apply DW always

[slow saddle]

Ehm no

Haste is rage neutral

[eternal edge]

especially when SS CAN dmg behind you

[eternal edge]

look old comments from Archim, you'll see

[slow saddle]

It was b4 rage was normalized

[slender sonnet]

Playing arms in TWW S1 preseason and early raidI never had rage issues like I do now

[slow saddle]

Rage issues atm is cos thet removed rage talents

[eternal edge]

normalized, that's why we got an issue again

[thick kelp]

Blizzard be like

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1261052886683615332/1482004700952924330/GIF_20260313_122512_444.gif

[slow saddle]

No issue now is they removed rage talents

[thick kelp]

(thanks @fresh spire )

[fresh spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1481991857369255996/GIF_20260313_122512_444.gif

[tight wing]

Another what if, What if WW/cleave was replaced by slayers strike, it had a 10-15s CD and was reduced or reset instead of granted

[slow saddle]

Nah

[fresh spire]

Reap should just be tied to slayer strikes

[slow saddle]

Let us cleave

Let reap proc of only sd!!!

[fresh spire]

Ever 2/3 slayer strikes just peocs reap

[slow saddle]

Nothin else

[tight wing]

not slayer sorry, reap

[fresh spire]

Or sd only.

[slow saddle]

Sd only i want 2 want 2 press exe

No matter situation

[fresh spire]

I want to.... uhhhhhh

Sorry i forgot what we was doing with atms

-blizzard dev

[tight wing]

I just want to be able to out DPS my level 82 DH on my decently geared level 90 Warrior -_-

[slow saddle]

Facta

[stable silo]

Are the Arms changes a nerf overall?

[thick kelp]

yeah

[stable silo]

Do we know how much % nerf it is? Trying to scroll up in the chat but I can't find anything

[olive nest]

8 with current design tuning

[thick kelp]

Like 8%

give or take

[olive nest]

But that’s ptr changes not going live Tuesday

[thick kelp]

but it most likely wont be introduced untill 0.5. patch

[sacred zodiac]

% doesnt matter since the s1 hc week tuning is still outstanding

[thick kelp]

which is like uhh

3-4 months away

[olive nest]

Imagine the crisis when they add that to the 17th patch

Lmao

[slow saddle]

3 tops?

[thick kelp]

imagine we play 3 months

with sd reaps

into gg

[eternal edge]

it may be introduced

[olive nest]

Exactly my point

I wouldn’t doubt it for a sec they toss that in on the 17th

[slow saddle]

M8 current tuning.. cant play arms in raid

[thick kelp]

i will play arms in raid

[slow saddle]

U will loose 2 tanks

My guild allready carries scrubs.

[misty sandal]

Is arms saved in 12.0.5?

[dire dust]

[eternal edge]

i will, and... i'll be bench for MM

[sacred zodiac]

^hahahahah that will go so hard

[slow saddle]

Cant afford our decent players playin meme spex

[oak flame]

how did you track it on nameplate ? Cause i can only with Cooldown manager not on nameplate

[slow saddle]

I ask again why

Do u want 2 track it

[tight wing]

which is what I said, I just got them confused

[eternal edge]

imagine we're 2 warriors and in the end there will be no warriors in the MM roster xD

[slow saddle]

Y do u want 2 track it

[fresh spire]

Battleshout not worth when guilds got all scalies and demo locks

[slow saddle]

The dks

[tight wing]

the pets

that def 100% scale off atkp