same shit here.
#arms
eternal edge
mortal rivet
river ridge
I remember when I got Shadowmourne and had 100% ArP and just got 4 healers in a BG to pocket me.
Good times.
I think that was the last time I PvP'd in WoW
eternal edge
we're so cooked we just to have another nerf on fueled by violence to reactivate ignore pain and we good 
eternal edge
I remember when I got Shadowmourne and had 100% ArP and just got 4 healers in a ...
i remember when arms got the aggro cause BS in adds in ICC
and the old version of aggro for tanks
river ridge
i remember when arms got the aggro cause BS in adds in ICC
I had to count to 4 hippopotamus before I was allowed to press bladestorm.
eternal edge
I had to count to 4 hippopotamus before I was allowed to press bladestorm.
BAHAHAAHAHA i did the same!
grizzled vapor
Remember when csmash ignored 100% of the targets armor?
grave coral
Remember when you had to maintain demo and tclap for the raid and did 600dps as a result
grizzled vapor
Remember when you had to maintain demo and tclap for the raid and did 600dps as ...
I do and i rather supress that memory log
fresh spire
steep osprey
Remember when csmash ignored 100% of the targets armor?
That's equivalent to 30% damage though
grizzled vapor
Glad the tanks covered that
minor gust
dim basalt
torn rivet
steep osprey
Glad I'm not playing this game rn otherwise I'd be more upset than Frozenbozo
eternal edge
about glad, remember when WoD dropped glad for tanks? the spec was better than arms
"PTSD"
supple oyster
Guys, i made a new Tier List, what do you think ?
river ridge
Needs to be -Z
eternal edge
Guys, i made a new Tier List, what do you think ?
this is the way
quick badge
Guys, i made a new Tier List, what do you think ?
Why is arms so high?
bold thunder
Can i refund a subscription ? Because wtf is this
vapid goblet
i hope they nerf arms more it is so fucking funny
obsidian otter
Guys, i made a new Tier List, what do you think ?
dont even put it on the list lol
minor gust
Glad I'm not playing this game rn otherwise I'd be more upset than Frozenbozo
It takes a lot for me to be genuinely angry. Undoing the SD change after not even a full patch with it hits that mark
grave coral
Do you bring an Arms warrior to your +20 or a 2nd Tank, which is better?
minor gust
Memes aside arms as you still do DPS overall you just don't do DPS ST
obsidian otter
It takes a lot for me to be genuinely angry. Undoing the SD change after not eve...
the fact we go from 30% proc to 25% to 15% to getting SD to removing SD.. to nerfing OP.. to nerfing MS like idk it sucks playing it honestly specially when im sure you have jumped on another class and see how easily it does damage
steep osprey
Guys, i made a new Tier List, what do you think ?
Fixed
supple oyster
Do you bring an Arms warrior to your +20 or a 2nd Tank, which is better?
You want tanking ? take the tank, want damage ? take a tank
steep osprey
Memes aside arms as you still do DPS overall you just don't do DPS ST
You will do dps on ST soon 
obsidian otter
i seen some people clear a 30 with 3 tanks lol so its not like we couldnt take anther tank in mythic plus its aoe is still good and doing more single then arms
minor gust
the fact we go from 30% proc to 25% to 15% to getting SD to removing SD.. to ner...
Blizz saw us complain about having too much pure aoe talents so they decided to make reap a pure aoe hero talent to piss us off
Not even a ST choice node with reap so it's just a dead talent
shadow ibex
this spec is cursed
obsidian otter
Blizz saw us complain about having too much pure aoe talents so they decided to ...
sad part is we have to take Sudden death currently even if its a dead talent to reach lower on the right side
maybe they will add guarantee slayer strike to it instead
so it boost single target more
minor gust
No it needs a reason to be pressed in AOE that is the absolute most important thing right now
The spec doesn't function well without it
dense sphinx
obsidian otter
only reason would be to lower BS cooldown which unless BS gets buffed to matter more in aoe for a 1.5s CD i dont see us pressing it anymore
obsidian otter
arms has always press rend so thats prolly why we didnt get the same as fury pressing whirlwind
river ridge
why tf would cleave not apply deep wounds
Cleave's damage profile has a strangle hold on the spec for PvE AoE. I kind of agree with removing Deep Wounds from it.
supple oyster
why tf would cleave not apply deep wounds
Why would cleave ?
minor gust
only reason would be to lower BS cooldown which unless BS gets buffed to matter ...
Even then having to use globals on something that only hits 2 targets max when your fighting 10 just feels like shit. At least MS HAD reap procs and OP has DN
bleak jasper
Why would
eternal edge
Not even a ST choice node with reap so it's just a dead talent
i def don't get it, it was arguably not so often in ST, and not it's pure aoe, for absolutely NO reason
untold trench
Hi arms, I just want to say:
||Big buffs coming the 17th for you, so dont worry ♥||
dapper glacier
minor gust
Cleave's damage profile has a strangle hold on the spec for PvE AoE. I kind of a...
Deep wounds is not what made cleave op for Colo. The ability itself is just grossly overtuned
obsidian otter
Even then having to use globals on something that only hits 2 targets max when y...
I think marksmen does that with their build its like instead of running trick shot hitting 7 targets for 60% damage they run the other talent that splits rapid and aim shot into 2 targets for 80% damage which seems lower to me but it sims higher idk..
wind jewel
at this point this discord needs to be shut down, start a riot
hidden nebula
I was feeling bad for my ret pally this patch but damn, they truly hate arms
torn rivet
minor gust
supple oyster
obsidian lance
obsidian otter
I feel you guys i just cant repost it ! but im with ya on that!
fading isle
torn rivet
fading isle
supple oyster
river ridge
minor gust
obsidian lance
I feel you guys i just cant repost it ! but im with ya on that!
You can, you just don't want to.
slender sonnet
hidden nebula
olive nest
fading isle
supple oyster
olive nest
bold thunder
torn rivet
river ridge
Now we just need @fresh spire to make the gif of scrolling through all of these new ones
obsidian lance
soft relic
olive nest
torn rivet
slender sonnet
supple oyster
torn rivet
shadow ibex
no change until reddit makes a post clowning arms again
glacial nacelle
olive nest
limpid lotus
torn rivet
slender sonnet
hidden nebula
no change until reddit makes a post clowning arms again
Be the change you want to see in the world
supple oyster
obsidian lance
supple oyster
Be the change you want to see in the world
Be reddit
shadow ibex
river ridge
I high key wana make a whole video about arms and its Problems (Mostly on the Class Fantasy aspect)
obsidian otter
hopefully with the change we atleast do 100k plus single target .. ima still play warrior regardless just what i enjoy the most
torn rivet
i say we just post that gif over & over
hidden nebula
torn rivet
supple oyster
fading isle
wind hatch
obsidian lance
slender sonnet
supple oyster
torn rivet
eternal edge
vast helm
olive nest
torn rivet
timid elk
hidden nebula
olive nest
sullen stirrup
supple oyster
torn rivet
slender sonnet
midnight kraken
bleak jasper
Cleave's damage profile has a strangle hold on the spec for PvE AoE. I kind of a...
its core to its AoE. and removing deep wounds from cleave nerfs AoE damage which was already suffering to begin with
minor gust
livid cloak
hidden nebula
its core to its AoE. and removing deep wounds from cleave nerfs AoE damage which...
Which also cascades into less sustain for the spec
hidden nebula
We don't have sustain
Next patch our spells will cost life
minor gust
The cleave DW change is the least concerning. It has room to be a very good change.
river ridge
Next patch our spells will cost life
That'd at least be somewhat thematic =/
minor gust
Focus should be on the very problematic reap changes
eternal edge
That'd at least be somewhat thematic =/
Better for fury cause berserk imo
quick surge
Guys, I get it, nobody likes when their class/spec is nerfed, but be reasonable... arms has been overperforming as of late, thus, for the sake of the balance, it had to be nerfed. Put yourself in the shoes of those who don't play that spec and are being constantly rejected because of their subpar dps, and it's not even their fault...
minor gust
With that change, what cause reap the storm? Only MS?
Only ww/cleave
MS can't proc reap
river ridge
Its really an atricous change lmao
minor gust
Reap is strictly an AOE talent noe
shadow ibex
Cleave's damage profile has a strangle hold on the spec for PvE AoE. I kind of a...
the DW removal makes abolustely 0 sense
DW was uncapped aoe
and it wasnt why cleave was so good
eternal edge
Yeah yeah sorry confused english ABB again
obsidian lance
shadow ibex
cleave was just a way to apply it
eternal edge
Only ww/cleave
And actually, what cause reap
vagrant hull
What happened, why are we losing our shit
hidden nebula
Someone at blizz really hate arms
river ridge
What happened, why are we losing our shit
They took slayer out back and shot it dead
north forge
https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif
To remove the most recent yet most loved change to Slayer since it's inception is a wild move by blizzard
minor gust
the DW removal makes abolustely 0 sense
It can make sense if they decide to tune DW really high. Makes mortal wounds 1 less AOE talent.
shadow ibex
if anything i'd want DW on cleave because DW being an ST only thing sounds like a lot of my ST is gonna come from a boring ass bleed i have no control of
halcyon wagon
wasnt arms already dog? why did they nerf it harder lol
supple oyster
Maybe blizzard is preparing us to do Aug damage cause arms is gonna be a support class when raid come out
shadow ibex
It can make sense if they decide to tune DW really high. Makes mortal wounds 1 l...
i dont want it really high tho i want my buttons to hurt
not BFA again
DW doing like 15% of our ST if it was ST only no thanks
minor gust
And actually, what cause reap
hidden nebula
i dont want it really high tho i want my buttons to hurt
Some bleed damage is thematically appropriate with the class fantasy, but being our whole damage profile sucks
river ridge
I mean BfA had Deep Wounds doing a lot of our damage, but that was in direct correlation to us pressing our strikes correctly.
It wasn't a set and forget kinda thing like rend
minor gust
i dont want it really high tho i want my buttons to hurt
And that's fair. I'm just saying there's a positive side to the cleave change. But SD change has no positive absolute trash decision.
shadow ibex
no no no nono
it was very much set and forget
BFA saw us using an expensive spender simply because it spent more rage to fuel tom/am
river ridge
Yeah but your dot was directly correlated to how big you could grow your Test of Might.
You still had to play the spec and interact with it
shadow ibex
i think thats a very very very generous interpetation of BFA arms
bleak jasper
i really don't think the cleave change is positive
shadow ibex
DW being ST only doesn't feel me with hope
bleak jasper
and honestly im pretty sure
river ridge
It'll most likley be a Colossus only kinda thing if it sticks around.
bleak jasper
for keys at least, people mostly play colossus. the slayer changes will affect raid of course
shadow ibex
i just dont see how you think it's making cleave less important
DW wont make up any of your aoe dmg now
even more of it will come from cleave
river ridge
That's fine?
shadow ibex
yea im asking where youre getting that is all
river ridge
I'd rather our AoE come from things like Bladestorm, Reap Triggers, Demolish etc.
shadow ibex
because it isnt that on paper
bleak jasper
do you think cleave will do more damage because they removed deep wounds from it
because, no
river ridge
This only the initial chagnes, and I don't think 12.0.5 slayer's initial changes will be the final ones.
shadow ibex
well more aoe dmg has to come from somewhere if we assume parity between both verions of the spec
eternal edge
river ridge
I mean we have plenty of tools for that. Dreadnaught was overshadowing cleave before it got bought down to the ground
vapid goblet
hidden nebula
limpid lotus
torn rivet
i did
graceful sun
torn rivet
i went to elem sham, got it to 90, felt like a little femboy, went back to warrior
boreal remnant
slow saddle
I mean we have plenty of tools for that. Dreadnaught was overshadowing cleave be...
No it did not
torn rivet
slow saddle
Cleave had reap
torn rivet
hidden nebula
This spec needs a full rework, a % damage buff won't solve its problems
hidden nebula
Maybe they want us to abandon the spec so they can mess with it freely
wind hatch
the saddest thing to me was that they seemed to be going in the right direction in beta
eternal edge
Cs
Cleave + reap
Cleave + reap
Cleave + reap
Cleave + reap
BS (but less DMG starting here
hidden nebula
What if The Last Titan is the nemesis of Arms Warrior and this is all for lore
calm tartan
Arms warrior:
- Amputated both their arms
slow saddle
I mean hopefully this means a significant boost to our st dmg
Via actual button not reaps
supple oyster
wind hatch
obsidian lance
the new specs, armless warrior
eternal edge
Arms warrior:
- Amputated both their arms
sudden fox
Whack changes
minor gust
dim basalt
flat willow
smoky jungle
It makes no sense, still doesn't, feels awful
slender sonnet
they hate us
inner terrace
We need to nerf arms more.
calm tartan
The nerfs will continue until morale improves
inner terrace
I'd be happy if even if they just bring back S3 dragonflight arms 💔
minor gust
it doesnt even matter how much they buff us by next week. Knowing that in 2 months they are gonna turn slayer gameplay from perfect to dogshit hurts
untold skiff
Yo guys, you think arms deserved the buffs?
smoky jungle
Maybe they're just shooting horrid ideas to see who's actually caring, I don't even know anymore
supple oyster
Just making theories on "why" but never "Why not ?"
minor gust
Maybe they're just shooting horrid ideas to see who's actually caring, I don't e...
We have asked for SD to do some kind of aoe since TWW beta. We finally got it in midnight and it doesnt even last a whole patch
smoky jungle
Oh, why not is why they always keep warlock near the top lmao
smoky jungle
We have asked for SD to do some kind of aoe since TWW beta. We finally got it in...
Absolutely, and the fact that they just rip it out like that just like all the nerfs--insanity
shadow ibex
it doesnt even matter how much they buff us by next week. Knowing that in 2 mont...
This why I dont even expect massive buffs
Idt they really care about it until .5
Just enough to keep us above tanks until .5 'rework'
minor gust
idk im tired of the piece meal cope
minor gust
as far as im aware these are the only changes planned for 12.05
until proven otherwise
torn rivet
Its been this shit for like 10 years
we have to put a stop to it
shadow ibex
Inevitable it will be more
But the fact they are ready to change it im not holding my breath for what state it will be in until .5
Why work on patching it up when your gonna redo it in a few months
sonic flare
We should start a rumor that Arms Warrior was found in the Epstein files. Maybe then it will get some protection.
night hedge
Maybe blizzard is preparing us to do Aug damage cause arms is gonna be a support...
Arms renamed Larynx, yell various shouts for various effects, let's go !
torn rivet
release the arms files
supple oyster
We should start a rumor that Arms Warrior was found in the Epstein files. Maybe...
Warrior already have protection
torn rivet
protection against being meta, or?
sonic flare
Protection from punishment
supple oyster
Arms renamed Larynx, yell various shouts for various effects, let's go !
That would be funny
chrome lava
Arms renamed Larynx, yell various shouts for various effects, let's go !
only if we have a talent called the deep throater
thorn stream
https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif
why in the actual ...
short oasis
I have been enjoying slayer so much in m0
thorn stream
same
short oasis
and its fucking getting shot next patch
minor gust
why in the actual ...
welcome to the party
thorn stream
another precise strikes nerf also
short oasis
its getting taken to a dark alley, shot 13 times in the back, and i can do nothing but watch
thorn stream
thx for 20% slowstorm buff i guess
minor gust
you guys were having fun while undertuned so blizz decided next patch to kill the fun
and destroy slayer gameplay
thorn stream
maybe they forgot the line
"bladestorm channels as fast as it does for fury now"
summer quartz
Slayer arms was the last bastion of fun/usefulness and that's going bye bye. So frustrating man.
icy mulch
its getting taken to a dark alley, shot 13 times in the back, and i can do nothi...
Please, like they're gonna waste the bullets.
thorn stream
ill guess we enjoy slayer in s1 while it lasts
short oasis
I been doing just fine so far as slayer but they're killing it for m+
rose maple
we'd rather you not play arms warrior
short oasis
ill guess we enjoy slayer in s1 while it lasts
Doesnt that patch come out same time as m+?
minor gust
.5 patch wont be out for 2+ months
thorn stream
ye
barren ivy
Ayo whose baby momma is on the dev team? You’re behind on child support fam.
minor gust
minor gust
blizz has found a way to keep us angry even when they are about to drop a min 20% aura buff on arms tomorrow.
candid pecan
30% aura buff to approx match fury
smoky jungle
better be 50% at this rate just to keep us from grinding our teeth
sudden fox
blizz has found a way to keep us angry even when they are about to drop a min 20...
I bet itll be like 5% aura lol
river ridge
OOo someone was able to post on the US PTR Forums
smoky jungle
Frozenbozo, it is time
minor gust
OOo someone was able to post on the US PTR Forums
👀
river ridge
thorn stream
blizz has found a way to keep us angry even when they are about to drop a min 20...
they are testing our anger management
jade ember
One step closer to the true patch notes.
smoky jungle
they are testing our anger management
nah, that's talented
minor gust
Nice yeah you can make Forum posts now. Making one right now
smoky jungle
don't speak of that evil into the world
thorn stream
at this point
smoky jungle
nothing would surprise us
hybrid needle
Someone take that dude with no arms gif and take the legs off aswell.
Das the real arms now
thorn stream
indeed
sharp tendon
in m + overal its kinda fine not great just mid pack
single target is just boring and trash
thorn stream
atleast fury gets autorend with whirlwind right
smoky jungle
the thing is, there is such a percentage disparity by more than 30% between the top and the bottom, it's out of what blizzard states they're comfortable with
thorn stream
smoky jungle
so there should be something, just might not be happy with.. lol
short oasis
so, are we more dead than ever?
thorn stream
in 2 months
thorn stream
frost dks must feel the pain also really
granite bear
are we spamming cleave in aoe or trying to build up stacks with sweep strikes and get the bonus damage before pressing
thorn stream
the change of qol for their cds to not be played so awkward will be there only AFTER the tier
proud heath
Why are they buffing whirlwind for colossus?
jade ember
WW is just tied to Cleave for Arms
it doesn't mean anything
you don't even have both at the same time
proud heath
okay why are they nerfing 5% and adding whirlwind in the tooltip? lol
cinder tangle
At this point just play uhdk. 20% ahead of everyone, still getting buffs
yeah that also surprised me, they buffed UH instead of nerfing it and lets not talk about missing nerfs to disci on pvp :v
sonic flare
Do these PTR notes lack context because we dont know the class tuning changes coming on the 17th?
muted fractal
Are we deleting this sub soon
hybrid needle
yeah that also surprised me, they buffed UH instead of nerfing it and lets not t...
If you think disc is broken just wait till you see a mistweaver, killing u in 3gcds while u dont even poke him
thorn stream
Do these PTR notes lack context because we dont know the class tuning changes co...
also the other way around
they dont know how specs play out with their coming tuning
why decide now to delete slayers ST reap stuff
cinder tangle
If you think disc is broken just wait till you see a mistweaver, killing u in 3g...
ah no, those things are broken as fuck, hate them
north forge
Are we deleting this sub soon
that only works if blizzard actually likes your spec
wicked slate
At this point just play uhdk. 20% ahead of everyone, still getting buffs
I rolled uhdk initially, I miss my warrior ;_;
hybrid needle
I rolled uhdk initially, I miss my warrior ;_;
Dont worry my guy. Scourge strike summons him. Roughly same dmg 
wicked slate
Frost gives the same feeling, but nothing worse when the enemies move during pillar and breath
hybrid needle
They should just start playing the game and make it so every class is within 10% of each other on same itemlevels
wicked slate
Have any proposed changes been announced for the 17th yet? I'm tempted to just put my big boy pants on and just main warrior anyway. Despite no utility or dmg.
hybrid needle
I hate ff14 cause everything is so incredibly delayed. But their balancing is just so much better than blizz its crazy
sonic flare
Have any proposed changes been announced for the 17th yet? I'm tempted to just p...
or arms
wicked slate
I mean if you disable damage numbers, ignore performance and only do pve, it's quite fun
covert granite
I turn off the monitor to have fun
hoary palm
Blizz always gives deep sloppy to DK
S tier meta for how many expacs now
only melee they allow to be meta
white stratus
I mean if you disable damage numbers, ignore performance and only do pve, it's q...
Yeah gl getting invites, i was already veing decluned at 232 imagine that, community knows warrior is beyond garbage why invite them
smoky jungle
"it's so easy to make alts now, why don't you??" - blizz
chilly hearth
The CEO of war gave us the last news about arms
Stay tuned on his live for more news
minor gust
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision/2270878
NA boys get in there
press like buttons and make comments
sharp wyvern
you think that works ?
wicked slate
I just read the patch notes
sharp wyvern
welcome to the party
smoky jungle
Depends if you have the right dev on the team reading the forums at the time
sharp wyvern
serious question has a forum post ever done something
smoky jungle
It has
smoky jungle
lmao
minor gust
Depends if you have the right dev on the team reading the forums at the time
I doubt any dev themselves dives into the forum cessspool. They have peoples who job is to collect mass amounts of feedback and condense it down for the devs to read
fresh spire
it would be better for them to honestly cull cleave/ww and let reap purely be SD driven
strong haven
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horri...
I was reading your post and I noticed you make a point about reap the storm being solely for AOE now. I know it isn't necessarily a 1:1 comparison, but a lot of hero trees have points that only work in AOE. Is there a reason why you think this impacts Slayer more than other hero trees?
smoky jungle
I doubt any dev themselves dives into the forum cessspool. They have peoples who...
They did once upon a time, and I know from past folks I knew from Blizz who dove into the trenches on the forums
Not sure how it is now lol
sharp wyvern
they probably filter those with AI now lets be real
fresh spire
I was reading your post and I noticed you make a point about reap the storm bein...
when arms is already notorious for having way to much talents to drop for ST for AOE we need talents like these to bridge the middle ground
strong haven
when arms is already notorious for having way to much talents to drop for ST for...
This is a fair point that I wasn't able to consider by myself, thanks for showing it to me
fresh spire
same reason about Mortal wounds having Cleave switched to slam. just picking up cleave enabled this single talent to scale in two types of game play,
now its reworked to be twice as effective in st while slam(can) bleed on aoe through sweep, But slam isn't going to scale the same as cleave could have.
minor gust
I was reading your post and I noticed you make a point about reap the storm bein...
as far as I am aware hero talents that are pure aoe tend to have a second option with it. I am not well versed with whats going on with a lof of other classes so I can be wrong. But it feels terrible when the arms spec tree has massively suffered this problem of having too many mandatory aoe talents which ultimately kills our M+ ST.
plucky osprey
Why would they release these notes at all if we have not even got notes for the 17th yet.... ? Plus the notes are insanely misaligned with what the warrior player base wants my god its terrible
fresh spire
Why would they release these notes at all if we have not even got notes for the ...
its ptr .5 patch not upcoming tuning. though if these changes also are present next tuesday are to be seen.
sharp wyvern
that would be weird to have them in twice
why make the same change halfway through the season
fresh spire
Nah, because if they know these changes are coming next week, its them adding changes in to the PTR before it launches to keep things synced.
My personal thoughts is that these changes have every chance to be present next week because having hard hitting Hero tree changes mid patch is pretty unreasonable and downright stupid
right now its around an 8% ST loss not considering any gains from the slam change. arms would need further tuning AGAIN during the .5 patch when they explode one of the hero specs to honestly an unplayable state for raid.
Slayers changes have completely crushed any aspect of flow to the spec
sudden fox
Making improved ww apply rend but rend is already a cone
Feels like a really weird change lol
sharp wyvern
at what point are they gonna make rend a passive ?
this button should have been pruned
restive ledge
at what point are they gonna make rend a passive ?
When they make sweeping strikes passive
magic canopy
cinder tangle
i miss my tbc 2h sword procs arms warr (not the slam cast thou)
sharp wyvern
would a slam cast even be bad we already have a collosus ability that channels and roots us
regal dragon
magic canopy
sharp wyvern
minor gust
fresh spire
signal fern
fresh spire
he was forced to ~~eat ~~~~cement ~~ play colossus
sharp wyvern
cinder tangle
meanwhile UHDK
crude bison
kindred breach
short oasis
devout pewter
What's better currently, mostly M+, Mage or Warlock?
midnight mirage
I love this community
devout pewter
We love you too
prisma bluff
How they mess up the Arms class
steady shuttle
open inlet
why blizz hate u guys so much
devout pewter
We wanted too much
woven rune
devout pewter
Without ever saying anything
We should have done what Shamans and Paladins did man
Archi, shut it down!
pulsar frost
There's more pallies then arms warriors unfort
cinder tangle
open inlet
closing pala discord worked for them
devout pewter
it didn't, but it's funny to think it did
But what actually seemed to have worked was the outcry of shamans back then
glacial shore
you think the devs get some sort of sick kicks from seeing us miserable?
scenic cedar
There are core conceptual issues and the mechanics are a mess. But I'm sure Blizzard will just give us a 50% flat damage aura buff.
river ridge
No. I think the devs have very hard jobs and can't do everything because they have timelines to meet.
devout pewter
I mean balancing a game like wow really is never easy, but man
pulsar frost
Just buff every class ez
blissful tree
so reap the storm is now only when it hits 3 ot more targets with cleave or WW? so this is a pure MT spell now?
vast helm
rapid bronze
To be entirely honest figuring out how the spec is supposed to work mechanically is quite pointless right now 🤣
You should be past the acceptance phase now and roll a new class
untold pewter
Nah dude Blizz AI thinks Arms is super strong right now
candid pecan
so reap the storm is now only when it hits 3 ot more targets with cleave or WW? ...
yes, Mortal strike or Bloodthirst will no longer proc Reap
untold pewter
AI jokes aside, someone at Blizz is doing a dogshit job with the spec we enjoy and we can't do much about it
But this is probably one of the worse states in a long while
blissful tree
i guess you guys discussed the notes all day, but i just read those. i dont get it. why is reap now only a proc for WW and cleave? maybe if they gave slayer strike a buff for ST but there is none?!
cinder tangle
Nah dude Blizz AI thinks Arms is super strong right now
its because of the spec name, arms is too strong a word
blissful tree
is this a social experiment maybe?
cinder tangle
wow has always been a social experiment
timid saffron
i dont see anywhere where it says it "only" triggers with cleave or WW
rapid bronze
Someone will write an academic paper about how arms warriors coped in the aftermath of the Great Arms Prepatch Collapse of 2026
lime ruin
is survival hunter fun rn I might play it
untold pewter
Yeah you just didn't look @timid saffron, that's what it does
dusky forge
Reading comprehension in the gutter
cinder tangle
i mean, warriors shouln't be able to read more than simple words, we zug zug
timid saffron
that doesn't mean it doesn't trigger the way it used to
blissful tree
are other classes nerfed too?
cinder tangle
are other classes nerfed too?
they buffed uhdk :v
blissful tree
WHAT?
timid saffron
thats an addition and remove of the sudden death triggerr
lime ruin
Slayer was fun in dungeons but that's going to be a lot less reap the storm damage and less execute value
paper summit
i keep hearing "warriors are so gear dependant" is that for classic only?
vast helm
We poop.
candid pecan
I @ the wrong person
candid pecan
that doesn't mean it doesn't trigger the way it used to
river ridge
i keep hearing "warriors are so gear dependant" is that for classic only?
Its an old fact from classic. That hasn't been true for most of the game's existence.
timid saffron
oh wait wtf LOL those aren't the notes that im reading
paper summit
it dont seem like arms getting much of a buff, wtf...
timid saffron
i was reading those
LOL yea its fucked, gg boys
the notes i was reading did not have those reap the storm notes
river ridge
I mean it does. It says "Reap the storm now triggers..."
timid saffron
thats way different than explicitly crossing out old text
river ridge
I mean its the same if you read it.
timid saffron
"Reap the storm now triggers..." can imply an addition to current mechanics
paper summit
i wonder if someone did a test. Give arms warrior 200 ilevel against other classes and specs with same ilevel, then boost every class and spec by 20 or 30 ilevel and see if warriors scaled higher what would happen.
timid saffron
crossing out old text means current mechanics no longer remain
river ridge
"Reap the storm now triggers..." can imply an addition to current mechanics
That means its repalcing the old functionality.
If it was in addition, it would say "in addition to"
timid saffron
not neccesarrily, i get what you mean im saying its up to interpretation, but crossing out old descriptions makes it clear
all tha matters is they made arms worse
haha
sonic flare
nova marsh
i keep hearing "warriors are so gear dependant" is that for classic only?
Arms isnt gear dependant to be good. We just scale with buffs
jaunty drift
i have no idea what this is going to really do lol
doesnt fix rage generation
minor at best
timid saffron
https://youtube.com/shorts/gE0pLlbg4pE?si=lhoAUmgainPAFA3H
rofl
jaunty drift
real pendant
jaunty drift
unholy dk mayaswell be a demo warlock at this point
dire hinge
a chance for Arms Warrior to prove their lack of damage
jaunty drift
you can legit do your entire rotation outside of melee aside festering
rapid bronze
Where was that graph of the dps rankings it’s hilarious
dire hinge
might be thinking of Ulira's sheet, but it's not published yet
(for this reason, numbers keep changing)
they usually publish it with the seaon launch when changes slow down
timid saffron
just curious what data they're collecting that makes them draw the conclusion that arms needs nerfed
not even mad just want to know
we gotta be missing something
maybe heroic throw is the sleeper op skill we're not including in our rotation
jaunty drift
clearly this buff to whirlwind will make it better then better then cleave spreading deep wounds
jovial hare
what the ACTUAL fuck is going on with the design team on the ptr
prisma bluff
I have lost faith, warrior's weapons, but I will still use you.
jaunty drift
"dont worry it feels more warriory to twirl around in a circle instead of bleeding everyone
itll feel good
trust
jovial hare
like if they want us not to play arms, just say it man
magic canopy
jaunty drift
inland ingot
Folks, am I the only one who feels like Blizzard just wanna kill arms?
jovial hare
it wouldnt be the first time ion said "fuck this spec in particular"
shy roost
it actually would be. man made one sarcastic joke about demo when they weren't even bottom 5
proper moth
Fuck it imma roll colo and 100% parse cause no one playing this shit
inland ingot
Mortal Wounds now triggers from Mortal Strike and Slam (was Mortal Strike and Cleave).
Like what is that??? This kinda becomes a useless talent because there is no AOE advantage anymore
smoky kayak
it wouldnt be the first time ion said "fuck this spec in particular"
ion doesn't have anything to do with class changes
jovial hare
maybe
he should at this rate
because the design team seems to be throwing wet socks at the wall
rapid bronze
might be thinking of Ulira's sheet, but it's not published yet
No I mean someone posted today one of those dps ranking graphs that wowhead does
smoky kayak
so you'd know who to blame? kek
glacial shore
its ok brothers i know we're dooming but hold the line
jovial hare
i can blame the ai robit that's destroying my baby right now because i refuse to believe there's a human making changes
bleak iris
Is this a nerf ?
boreal remnant
Yeah
bleak iris
Nice
sonic flare
someone posted the math way up saying it is 8% dmg nerf
bleak iris
Is slayer over performing or something?
ancient otter
It’s not performing at all
timid elk
Isn't there numbers tuning coming next week, well before the patch with these nerfs goes out
river ridge
Yes, we shouuld probably find out about them tomorrow.
rapid bronze
Slayer already had erectile dysfunction it wasn’t performing
bleak iris
I have a dk and i still feel jealous
viscid grail
200% to ww so we can just use the one button rotation for our one button rotation
river ridge
You joke, but that might be what Slayer AoE looks with these changes.
royal delta
Chat is it time to shut down the discord
dull tendon
nonono we will continue to post coffin memes as is tradition
royal delta
Arms is buried beneath the coffin at this point
dark minnow
cinder tangle
or play disci void, can tank 3 dps and do more dmg than a dps
rapid bronze
How about them housing hotfixes though guys are you excited
wicked slate
Yeah, we'll no longer be able to see uhdk army of the dead lesser ghouls so we can't see the fun they're having
flint cedar
copied toon for testing on the ptr. bleh
jovial hare
🔮
sand totem
What did arms do
Fucked a devs wife it seems. Thats why they out to get us
rapid bronze
RIP
pulsar frost
Imagine waking up tomorrow to the depression of 17th patch notes to see more arm nerfs
flint cedar
Imagine waking up tomorrow to the depression of 17th patch notes to see more arm...
Forgive an old dog but isn't the PTR patch notes basically the same? I am not being snippy. I'm just asking
pulsar frost
Forgive an old dog but isn't the PTR patch notes basically the same? I am not be...
Eh. Ptr noted is for a much later patch
Ain't coming out till like 2 months from now
flint cedar
Eh. Ptr noted is for a much later patch
So you are telling me the 17th patch notes still gives hope? 🙂
rapid bronze
In a logical world the PTR patch notes make sense if they’re planning on like a 30% aura buff that they have to prepare to rein back the incredible might of the arms warrior post march 17
sudden topaz
So you are telling me the 17th patch notes still gives hope? 🙂
i have a copium hunch that the 17th notes may hopefully show the ptr notes to make more sense
jovial hare
In a logical world the PTR patch notes make sense if they’re planning on like a ...
yeah we might actually compete with bm hunters
rapid bronze
But their Copilot dev probably isn’t thinking logically
chrome lava
Want them to make warrior so bad it struggle in questing
maybe them they will rework
warped solstice
Arms feels good though. I don't want a rework, I want it to perform well numerically. 🫠
twilit flare
Just saw the Arms buffs we got for .5, I’m fucking ecstatic they saw our struggles and correctly fixed the spec
rapid bronze
My favorite phase is the denial phase
burnt goblet
So we got a genuine nerf?
fervent cedar
So we got a genuine nerf?
Not factoring in upcoming tuning, yes
In .5 patch
But upcoming tuning could change the context of these changes
And they will likely iterate further
And by iterate I hope they mean revert
These changes are dogshit
dawn meadow
dont worry bros theres always next expansion
burnt goblet
And fury got slightly buffed?
fervent cedar
fervent cedar
And fury got slightly buffed?
Fury also got nerfed
burnt goblet
So single target fury slightly nerfed, but AoE capabilities increased with whirlwind changes?
fervent cedar
Unknown
twilit flare
Fury?
fervent cedar
Proc chance on reap with ww is bad
15%
And nothing else procs it
So its likely an aoe nerf as well
But honestly who knows
burnt goblet
wtf is going on
burnt goblet
wait so bloodthirst now doesnt proc reap the storm, its just whirlwind?
and arms is just cooked lol
icy mulch
Arms never had bloodthirst
warped solstice
Welp. If that goes live at least I also geared my Druid. 😂
fervent cedar
wait so bloodthirst now doesnt proc reap the storm, its just whirlwind?
Correct
And arms is deep fried
rapid bronze
I didn’t level anything else now I’m wondering whether to level another toon or skip the season
hoary palm
i wish i could get a refund on the expac
fervent cedar
And these dont go live until .5 there is time
hoary palm
i only wanted to play warrior
flint cedar
But upcoming tuning could change the context of these changes
One would think the 17th changes would have already been implemented in the .5 PTR notes though. It is very confusing.
fervent cedar
Yes this was a really bad move from them posting these notes
rapid bronze
And these dont go live until .5 there is time
It’s just alpha. It’s just beta. It’s just prepatch. It’s just preseason. Etc
fervent cedar
It’s just alpha. It’s just beta. It’s just prepatch. It’s just preseason. Etc
They have made corrections to bad design decisions in beta and ptr cycles before. Fury apex was dogshit and they fixed it. Arms design isn't cooked right now, just the tuning is bad
.5 will cook arms design but they have time to receive feedback and fix it
Its like this almost every beta and ptr cycle
rapid bronze
Honestly if at this point you haven’t been burned enough that you expect a significant enough aura buff to make up for how they’ve cocked up the spec over the beta cycle and into the expansion I have a bridge to sell you
fervent cedar
I never once said that arms doesn't need a buff
fresh spire
Fully expecting more nerfs next week than buffs at this rate
hoary palm
I was excited for arms then they undid all the changes now the tuning is terrible
fresh spire
fervent cedar
In fact I quite literally said arms is tuned like shit
rapid bronze
I never once said that arms doesn't need a buff
I know. I’m saying you have entirely too much unjustified faith in them fixing something they fucked up over the run-in to the expansion thoroughly and despite all feedback
fervent cedar
Only because I've seen them fix problems even if at the tail end of ptr cycles, repeatedly
sharp dust
Hey fellow Arms players, what class are you maining this season? 
hoary palm
all their dev times is dedicated to mage sadly
rapid bronze
Arms has been dogshit since season 3 my guy
fervent cedar
That obviously doesn't make it less frustrating they do shit like this almost every cycle
rapid bronze
all their dev times is dedicated to mage sadly
Don’t worry they’re also screwing over frost mage this time around
latent moss
Only because I've seen them fix problems even if at the tail end of ptr cycles, ...
rarely fix arms problems
especially during the xpac
they just bandaid and forget
summer jackal
Wait y'all still think we get tuning outside of this bs patch on the 17th?
How would that work, update the 12.05 PTR with tuning changes after the 17th? Doesn't make any sense right
wooden lava
I can't wait to go on the warrior forums and see how that blizz meat gobbler Greil will cope now
summer jackal
Oh you think it's just gonna be a flat dmg buff?
wooden lava
Dude is like the biggest apologist for all these awful changes
summer jackal
#doubt
tall socket
the 12.0.5 ptr patch notes are the notes of the supposed balance we're getting on the 17th?
wooden lava
You mfs really have no reading comprehension
You literally typed it urself
The 12.0.5 patch notes
Are we on 12.0.5?
wind hatch
I can't wait to go on the warrior forums and see how that blizz meat gobbler Gre...
even greil said the changes were bad LOL
thats how you know they fucked up
tall socket
condescending words aside, please answer the question. i though that too but i'm seeing people reacting at it those notes were the one we were getting so it confused me for a moment.
wooden lava
even greil said the changes were bad LOL
Well I'll be damned
wooden lava
condescending words aside, please answer the question. i though that too but i'm...
Wtf do u mean
It says 12.0.5
Is 12.0.5 launching next week?
No
Which means it's not next week's tuning
summer jackal
Right but wouldn't the live PTR of 12.05 be inclusive of the version changes prior
wooden lava
Right but wouldn't the live PTR of 12.05 be inclusive of the version changes pri...
Idek
summer jackal
It would be intensely stupid to list class changes like that without incorporating the prior version changes
wooden lava
When they nerfed arms a second time, it applied to live, but wasn't on beta
floral hornet
Should've made arms hero talents based around execute
Make it the execute niche, period. Better than everyone else during execute
decent damage otherwise
tall socket
It would be intensely stupid to list class changes like that without incorporati...
that's why i though it was odd too, to incluse changes from a further patch without showing the ones from the one we're about to get.
floral hornet
Could've gave arms condemn
rapid bronze
Ancient aftershock my beloved
minor gust
rapid bronze
that's all you had to say, everything else i dont mind. ty
We are all navigating varying degrees of grief excuse the occasional frustration lmao
floral hornet
I bet arms will be nerfed again with no justification
tall socket
i would like to know why blizz teases us with a obtainable version of Arator's sword in MN pre-patch by showing it obtainable in the wardrobe and even giving it a name.
but erasing it from existance at secong half of pre-patch, literally, its gone from wardrobe and trying to link from wowhead throws an error message
floral hornet
Or they will say that they buffed it in a blue post but the opposite function happens
plain violet
My Fury ST sim is doing 37% higher damage than the Arms one, that can't be real. Anyone else compared their ST sims?
rapid bronze
I want them to nerf it again because it’s unplayable anyway and it would be fucking funny
floral hornet
It is hilarious but also sad, I main fury and like it more, but in dragonflight I liked the feel of spam execute into mortal strike felt strong
sharp dust
hey guys! What do you think of Arms Warrior
rapid bronze
tall socket
atleast we still have aura points
rapid bronze
Punishment for skipping leg day since time immemorial
sharp dust
Comon bruh Uzza I expected the tottenham song haha
rapid bronze
I’m an arsenal fan I’m loving it
stable fiber
My Fury ST sim is doing 37% higher damage than the Arms one, that can't be real....
you should sim your unholy dk if you have one
itll be 110% higher then your arms sim
rapid bronze
NORTH LONDON FOREVA
although I guess being an arms warrior I now know how spurs fans feel
plain violet
my friend plays UHDK and he has a 72k sim, compared to my 35k arms, we are both 241Ilvl
summer jackal
ive officially switched my main to hunter
rapid bronze
We should all play shamans so we can buff the remaining warriors out of a sense of charity
unreal halo
As per request of my raidlead Im currently a demolock
same but with ele
sharp dust
tall socket
i prefer arms mostly cause i main prot and arms and prot share stats, so easily gearing both. it's a bit depressing that my prot does nearly as much damage as arms tho 
summer jackal
might do more with the shield slam buff
sharp dust
Should we switch mid combat to a 1H and shield so we can press shieldslam?
unreal halo
Should we switch mid combat to a 1H and shield so we can press shieldslam?
you might be cooking right there
it would still do more dmg than a ms
rapid bronze
I was going to just sign up to raid as a third tank, shouldn’t be a big difference
sharp dust
summer jackal
yeah good idea, also hit esc, log off, and create a prot paladin
unreal halo
tbh signing as dps with arms war is a bit of a scam
gusty oxide
Secret switch to gladiator spec
rapid bronze
I’m trying to choose between lock and mage tbh
Could also just play the new D4 season where barbarian does actual damage
stable fiber
I’m trying to choose between lock and mage tbh
i like arcane icl
raw hollow
So I thought reap was triggered by OP and sudden death....
The changes say they're changing it from MS and cleave to just cleave and nerfing the rate?
stable fiber
i thought arcane orb in st would be cringe but its growing on me
rapid bronze
i like arcane icl
Is it still big brain
rapid bronze
Didn’t they need some complex mathematical differential equation to decide when to barrage last season
dire dust
I been playing lots of arms this week after playing only prot in week 1 (i didnt get early access) i didnt follow the beta cycle this time around as im no longer mythic raiding. Arms in aoe i was keeping up, but ST is legit tank damage. Whats your guys take on master of warfare?
stable fiber
Didn’t they need some complex mathematical differential equation to decide when ...
yeah it was called a weakaura
that told you when to use it
rapid bronze
Ah nice
stable fiber
also it wasnt really hard by itself if you tracked it
rapid bronze
Mage it is
stable fiber
glass cannon asf though
i was pulling threat off yoda for context
thats how much damage i was doing
pulls i would do 100k on as fury i was doing 250k on as arcane
sharp dust
yeah it was called a weakaura
Didnt that weakaura have like 17 conditionals it was tracking lmao
raw hollow
Yeah it did
stable fiber
cause arcane did have that many
sharp dust
I swear thats the reason we dont have weakauras anymore
stable fiber
but you really only needed to track like 3 things to know when to push it
there isnt a single button in the game that hit harder then arcane barrage did last season
quasi ice
Is the PI sim for arms accurate atm? Cause the gain is like super small atm
stable fiber
Is the PI sim for arms accurate atm? Cause the gain is like super small atm
i dont think alot of stuff is accurate rn, but the gain is super small because the spec does no damage
warrior sims prob accurate actually but
wanton sierra
hey fellow arms! long time no see!
im blastin on TBC and i shall return to retail... i know im a bit late but ill catch up
we got any good changes? are we happy with the changes? they reduced our buttons? lil TLDR plx
sharp dust
We suck
stable fiber
hey fellow arms! long time no see!
im blastin on TBC and i shall return to ret...
we got a couple good changes, overall id say people arent happy, we got 1 button removed but the spec is harder, we dont do any damage
wanton sierra
ye we are C tier since BFA, we got any news? xD
stable fiber
my personal view is the spec is super fun on aoe
sharp dust
We are lower then C i would guess haha
wanton sierra
they removed sks! sweet
solar nymph
Aoe isnt fun anymore, cant stack cleave, now its a nobrainer
quasi ice
i dont think alot of stuff is accurate rn, but the gain is super small because t...
yeah it was only 3.9% which is like less then some tanks get i think
stable fiber
yeah it was only 3.9% which is like less then some tanks get i think
well we also actually do less damage then some tanks right now
so it makes sense
dire dust
Yeah colossus arms in aoe is super fun i feel also, but yes the ST just absolutely tanks your overall
wanton sierra
ye im all about colossus, and i know its worse.... at least it was worse idk now
quasi ice
It's % gain, the damage numbers are arbitrary
severe carbon
random question, for how long is the server down during Friday server reset?
sharp dust
hey fellow arms! long time no see!
im blastin on TBC and i shall return to ret...
The worst change they did to Arms warrior was changing the collusus smash ability FX to be a little ballet spin instead of big man smash
solar nymph
random question, for how long is the server down during Friday server reset?
maybe 30mn
severe carbon
maybe 30mn
cool cool 😄
dire dust
Also when the pull dies down to like 2/3 targets, your damage also plummets even with sweeping strikes. Its a head scratcher what they want from arms
wanton sierra
The worst change they did to Arms warrior was changing the collusus smash abilit...
damn i hate when they adjust animatinos and timing xD feels so off
solar nymph
cool cool 😄
but the shutdown was a bit late so yeah wait til 3am ig
severe carbon
but the shutdown was a bit late so yeah wait til 3am ig
Gotcha, thanks! 😄
wanton sierra
ok what do u think we need to adjust for us arms be at least decent... not saying to buff flat percentages, im sayin to fix liquid valueus from skills
solar nymph
just wait for academy's first pull 
sharp dust
20% more rage gain, more damage on MS, over power and exe, overhaul of our 4th apax talent (which causes desyncs) and remove slam
wanton sierra
damn do we got rage problems ?
sharp dust
We can walk backwards and charge in if need be
dire dust
damn do we got rage problems ?
Rage felt ok to me
solar nymph
yeah had to leap and charge which i haven't used since DF
wanton sierra
i mean, charge weavev is an art.,.. it used to be right... coz u need to allign the exact time of gcd and weap swing time so u wont lose uptime... fun
dire dust
But yeah that last apex talent will never get picked in this current state.
solar nymph
same gear, yeah this feels fine
wanton sierra
make arms great again! xD
obsidian lance
halcyon hull
regal sigil
feels this way
sharp dust
regal sigil
Hopeium for the tuning patch to save us
sharp dust
bold thunder
Time to close the discord friends
solar nymph
Time to level up my UH
regal sigil
its been a fun ride team
thick cairn
shut it, shut it all down!!
bold thunder
I dont enjoy other classes tbh maybe ww monk but he is in gutters too
thick cairn
obsidian lance
if all arms players, dont play with arms. the numbers will give a alert for bliz devs
obsidian lance
Strike to not play Arms until they rework the class.
obsidian otter
Strike to not play Arms until they rework the class.
its like 1.5% of us lol
bold thunder
Until you are subscribed they really dont give fuck
lyric hound
The real question is when are you guys gonna shut the discord down lol
obsidian lance
The real question is when are you guys gonna shut the discord down lol
i agree
jovial hare
The real question is when are you guys gonna shut the discord down lol
we have more dignity than the crying pink dress men
sharp dust
Do we look like the cry babies called paladins
jovial hare
ret's a fucking laughingstock because of that shit
we're a temporary laughingstock because of tuning
we'll eventually get buffs
ret will never live down being the largest whining babies in the game
dire dust
The real question is when are you guys gonna shut the discord down lol
It was cringe when the ret discord did it tbh
sharp dust
We're man, manly man, we do not sucumb to the weak tactics of paladins
solar nymph
We'll just switch our crit to mastery and grab a second weapon 
woven rune
sharp dust
Even though i am currently playing a pretty Princess in cloth gear I am a manly man.
bold thunder
See you all next week when we get +5% dmg on MS and maybe 5% overall
lyric hound
hell yeah thanks for the pep talk, i'll be one of the 120 arms parses in s1 raids
jovial hare
hell yeah thanks for the pep talk, i'll be one of the 120 arms parses in s1 raid...
(its going to be super easy to parse on arms)
jovial hare
l m a o
dire dust
99 parse under the tank
lyric hound
ill roll it til i get benched
wind hatch
(its going to be super easy to parse on arms)
thats how it was last season too lol
i almost got a free 100 on mythic fractillus because there was only like 20 logs
jovial hare
stable fiber
i did 1 pull on nexus king and got a 99
minor gust
sharp dust
Okay hear me out, the race to world first needs to bring a class with a healing debuff for the last fight due to a hidden p3, the whole fight is in exe then, who do they bring and who will receive a hot fix buff
stable fiber
didnt play arms at all that tier
jovial hare
Okay hear me out, the race to world first needs to bring a class with a healing ...
a survival hunter w/ a raptor lol
sharp dust
stable fiber
isnt it just rogue
sharp dust
Okay they NEED that 17%
Okay who am i kidding theyll prob bring a fifth mage or something
stable fiber
nah
stable fiber
that was a thing that got fixed on that fight
jovial hare
o thats what im thinking of
stable fiber
oh damn it is
minor gust
obsidian otter
you do arms slayer opener your at 180k you press bladestorm.. you drop to 149k..
like you shouldnt lose 40k dps pressing a 1.5 min cd lol
obsidian otter
whats worse is tooltip is 54k for arms 5s and its 51k tooltip for fury 3.4s and its 61k as fury when your enraged.. 3.4s Like how do you give fury BS and make it do more damage and is shorter duration lol
grizzled falcon
Blizzard out here trying to make it so no one ability makes up most of our damage. They just forgot the part where we have to actually do damage first.
grizzled falcon
something something aura buffs...
obsidian otter
crazy thing is we been trying to get rid of rend forever! fury complains about it as slayer and they bake it into whirlwind in the patch notes yet we still have to press rend as arms 🙁
grizzled falcon
Junior dev given Arms to balance istg
obsidian otter
they could easily give us the eyebeam treatment on bladestorm if they wanted to buff it in single target but keep it same in aoe
grizzled falcon
Here's the ticket for it -> "make arms dmg profile equal" and that's it.
warped solstice
AI did Arms balance, FR.
"You're absolutely right, Rend is a staple ability in Arms' tool kit. Let me keep that in there forever."
obsidian otter
its sad to me because i play warrior the most and its not even close i play rogue and hunter but they are so mind numbing easy that i get bored of them so quickly
misty needle
I rejoined disc to see people cry about warriors (Understandably)
warped solstice
I mean, Arms is in an objectively bad state of balance. At least they didn't shut down the Discord like Ret. 😂
lyric hound
crazy thing is we been trying to get rid of rend forever! fury complains about i...
i got really excited cause ive been wanting to attach it to MS since i hoped back to war...then they did...in ~execute...so close.
grizzled falcon
Maybe just combine rend/deep wounds into one thing you know. Maybe not waste talent points on being able to apply deep wounds/rend. Maybe get more ST damage talents or something, I dunno.
minor gust
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision/2270878/9
If you on NA let your voice be heard on the 12.05 changes
obsidian otter
comparing my fury warrior vs arms warrior bladestorm both are ilv 240 fury enraged bladestorm does almost 80k tooltip in 3.4s... vs a 65k bladestorm in 5.1s and dont forget fury gets 20% more crit on that bladestorm to! lol like it just doesnt make sense
haughty rose
Maybe just combine rend/deep wounds into one thing you know. Maybe not waste ta...
i dont know why they keep trying to make rend/dw work
grizzled falcon
I dunno.
haughty rose
when i think of arms warriors i think of heroes who wielded big fucking weapons. Conan the barbarian, Guts, Cloud Strife. Monhun GS. all characters who famously wielded a 2 ton weapon and defeated their enemies with little cuts and bleed outs /s
grizzled falcon
Y’all been having fun?
If I'm doing nothing competitive (quest lines, dailies, etc) sure. If it's anything kinda competitive, no.
haughty rose
Y’all been having fun?
it takes me over a minute to kill my prey target lmao
grizzled falcon
Arms literally the melee NPC spec.
rare kite
I guess it’s time to buy midnight and level lmao
enjoy leveling. it is giga slow
spiral coral
Looool I made a hard stance not to play any pre patch at all, because imo I thought at least a month should’ve been free.
rare kite
can't remember the last time it was this slow
spiral coral
Should be able to get leveled/geared before raid
Raid Leader “where the fuck are you”
Me “oh yeah I forgot”
obsidian otter
just do main story then do all delves at tier 1 quest inside turn them all in should hit you to 90 thats what I did
spiral coral
Ty Jet
obsidian otter
i have almost 4 90s it wasnt that slow doing it that way
spiral coral
Should be able to get my main 4 up to par
obsidian otter
i only play 2 per season but i had to get two back ups ready for the tuning lol
spiral coral
No sleeeeeep, till, Midnight dum da dum daaa naa
obsidian otter
prolly most i ever leveld during a preseason
solemn blaze
So
obsidian otter
I got arms and fury to 90 at 240 and my rogue 90 at 223 my hunter is 85 atm
solemn blaze
I tried to level with arms as I've done so over 15 years
Is there any light at the end of this tunnel?
obsidian otter
what build you leveling as?
arctic hearth
It only get darker
solemn blaze
I tried a general delve/openworld one and the M+ one
haughty rose
I tried to level with arms as I've done so over 15 years
i've been playing since vanilla. this is genuinely the worst the spec has felt.
solemn blaze
I'm now 90 and I just rather not play
thick hamlet
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-...
i hope the comments don't devolve into bottom 1 dps discussions
solemn blaze
I leveled a rogue just for pvp now :<
Can we do a paladin? Just crash out until we get what we want?
solemn blaze
i've been playing since vanilla. this is genuinely the worst the spec has felt.
Not even in BFA was it THIS bad
arctic hearth
Ret is good?
solemn blaze
Oh they had a crashout last expac? Or the one before
haughty rose
Not even in BFA was it THIS bad
BFA had the saving grace of being funny (%80 haste builds). Arms is a slog right now
solemn blaze
I just dont want to play paladin or fury out of pure principle
solemn blaze
BFA had the saving grace of being funny (%80 haste builds). Arms is a slog right...
true
stop making me use slam blizzard i beg of you
obsidian otter
I tried a general delve/openworld one and the M+ one
use this one to level it gives you good rage with battle lord good cleave/aoe for pulling alot of mobs for quest that you need to kill many for it. And good elite damage (as good as we can get)
solemn blaze
I appreciate it, but I'm 90 now
I'll level my other 15 warrior alts when conditions improve
haughty rose
stop making me use slam blizzard i beg of you
but-but it's not just slam sometimes it's heroic strike
solemn blaze
just give me my old HC strike back maaaaan
I remember the website some guy made ripheroicstrike or something
It left us in wod
obsidian otter
ive been pondering on this and I think they cant make retail warrior good because then people wouldnt go play classic warrior lol
obsidian otter
they cant delete paladin and druids they are the most played classes
its like throwing away their money at that point
solemn blaze
All for the arms god
obsidian otter
it is for sure
obsidian otter
they can mog daggers to
solemn blaze
Still no glad stance
stoic oyster
people like spammy, single digit IQ specs thats why ret, BM and fury will always be popular
obsidian otter
to be fair they did let rogues mog daggers into swords
solemn blaze
people like spammy, single digit IQ specs thats why ret, BM and fury will always...
subtelty is also super brainless now
unreal ivy
Hell yeah mage tower thunderfurys on rogue 
solemn blaze
the class pruning is real
polar drum
What buttons will I press the most in what order?
Trying to set up binds…
Mortal strike, cleave, overpower, rend, execute or so?
solemn blaze
I thought sub would have like 5 buttons more? Turns out you only need 3 in total 
obsidian otter
subtelty is also super brainless now
i was doing my world tour on it thats my third 90 and i just stopped and told group sorry i cant play this like pressing two buttons over and over..
like i had to log off it
Fok black powder fok black powder.. over and over..
solemn blaze
I'll only use it for pvp since I enjoy to be a little annoying gal
solemn blaze
Elemental shaman is still fun imo
obsidian otter
I almost went my enhance but was hoping arms would be better
solemn blaze
I'm also resto since my raiding group asked me to PLEASE don't play warrior
obsidian otter
thats when you know its bad if people ask you nicely not to play a class
solemn blaze
we have one person who will play arms, we all know she'll be awful
unreal ivy
I guess they didn't have to twist your ARMS to play resto 
obsidian otter
im sure she will represent for the ARMS!! and parse good for the .05% of us
solemn blaze
hehe
I'll just do RP on my warr instead i suppose
I mean being a goblin shaman is also fun
but id rather be my troll warrior
unreal ivy
Zanda bis always
solemn blaze
ew
normal troll
Give me the lanky boys
I got too much art of him too 💀
anyway its 4 am
bed
unreal ivy
