#arms

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waxen flicker
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slayer fury in tww s1 felt soooo damn good and smooth with all the cds you could press and the insane aoe, s2 arms felt really sexy for some reason too but i dont remember why

chilly isle
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They have never left specs as lower st than tank specs. But they have also never had a 120% gap between the lowest dps spec and the highest dps spec. (They probably have im just disappointed that they have failed the balancing this hard).

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You could give colossus arms a 10% aura buff and they would still be the lowest simming spec

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You could give them a 100% aura buff and they would only be the 3rd best spec behind both unholy dk specs

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This is all just sims though so its probably maybe not as bad in game.

dim basalt
sleek remnant
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Guys, returning player, what the fuck how they done to my boy? 🙁

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Execute has a cooldown, my ST is absolute garbage, is the spec playable at all?

dim basalt
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Because what do you mean execute has a cooldown

sleek remnant
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Must've fucked the talent build up, nvm

rough phoenix
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yeah that's probably the reason, although Windwalker does have one. I think if the charge time was quicker it might not be too bad though.

sleek remnant
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But the damage is still abysmal

dim basalt
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yeah it is

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Happens

dim basalt
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Even if you release it right away it feels like an eternity until the ability goes off

thick kelp
dim basalt
thick kelp
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and imp exe is not currently picked for colossus m+ example

rough phoenix
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hmm okay, maybe. it's a shame though because the mechanic suits the fantasy of slow big hits

sleek remnant
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imp exe doesn't look like it's picked for anythign outside raid builds

thick kelp
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yeah

dim basalt
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Well col is not about execute

thick kelp
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subjet to change with tuning but who knows

sleek remnant
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I'm not too hopeful, 3% aura buff incoming

dim basalt
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Notes should arrive today or tmr

rough phoenix
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arms rework? 👀 (jk)

dim basalt
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.1 surely

thorn stream
willow galleon
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not really. agi gets 1 sec gcd baseline, and some spells are off gcd. the highest apm spec is more than double the lowest apm spec

slow saddle
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Well forgot about the acursed feral at a tine

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But from arms at 60 ish its not night and day?

slender sonnet
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69 for fury

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What a spec

dim basalt
willow galleon
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all rogue, feral, monk

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idk dh

dim basalt
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hm weird

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Outlaw always felt way faster

slow saddle
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ofc

willow galleon
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outlaw had 0.8 in adr rush at one stage

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in mop i think

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was a bandaid fix they put in because of energy capping issues

willow galleon
slow saddle
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ofc

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its closer now

willow galleon
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5x to 7x is 40% difference

slow saddle
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he was saying warrior

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arms was way slower

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i said its gcd locked

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gcd locked is pretty much 60 apm

slow saddle
fresh spire
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Surely today we get patch info for tuning

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Manifesting 30% aura. Heroic strike and rend further buffs.
Cleave nerfed 30% because of aura
And avatar added to apex

vast helm
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we good?

icy mulch
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Ret paladin can be deleted from the game and I wouldn't care. So many things given to them because of class fantasy and yet Arms gets trash.
Oh let's not forget that abomination of a CS graphics change. Warrior feels like an after thought class these days.

fresh spire
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Remember when warbreaker had badass spikes.

safe jay
safe jay
slow saddle
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give us all 3

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if u want ghost weapons u get ghost weapons

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if u want the spikes u get DA SPIKES

safe jay
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Because they dont fuckin care

slow saddle
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its still there and cost em nothing to do ?

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me not knowing how hard glyphs affect game and code ofc 😄

safe jay
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they prefer to get more interns working on some dam tree for the shop

safe jay
slow saddle
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Id take some tuning and a proper look at arms

safe jay
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i have no problem with the fact that they monetize people who care about pixels in their house or housing in general

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i couldnt care less

slow saddle
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Same

safe jay
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but I would appreciate using that money for a higher quality of the game not only profit

slow saddle
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They are

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Havent u seen dk

safe jay
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yeah i have

slow saddle
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Warlocks

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And ret

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🤣👌

safe jay
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but i think they have a brown blindspot

slender sonnet
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warrior is always overlooked

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u'll get used to it

safe jay
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wdym

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playing warrior since wotlk ulduar

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we had good times

slender sonnet
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then you should be used to it already

safe jay
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yeah i am xD

slender sonnet
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since like SL

safe jay
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im playing brown regardless

slender sonnet
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avg warr patch note is like 1 line

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if we get anything at all

safe jay
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yeah

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i cant remember a time when we had some build diversity

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it was always the same on both speccs

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idk lame since ever

slender sonnet
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I only played warr since df tbf

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I regret nothing tho

safe jay
# slow saddle Havent u seen dk

i played some dk first time on the midnight beta. Its a pretty insane contrast to play warrior afterwards. Not only animations but fluidity of rotation etc.

slender sonnet
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when I bend those fotm players over and rail them on my warr

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it's a good feeling

safe jay
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xD

main creek
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Yoooo

safe jay
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give them a good clappin on those fotm cheeks

main creek
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we don't heroic strike in AOE ? 😮

safe jay
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mamaän

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its done by cleave

main creek
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🤯

safe jay
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due to slam gettin triggerd by cleave when it hits 3 targets

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yeah mindblowing convenience for a warrior

main creek
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my small brain needed the explanation, tyvm

safe jay
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xD

safe jay
fresh spire
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But thats mainly due to the public outcry. Forums posts. Statistics actually being bad. Countless social media posts

safe jay
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yeah i do think we will get some but that avatar part is optimistic 😄

fresh spire
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Like. Arms has had attention drawn to it when it usually never does

main creek
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nah plz no buff, I always play the least fotm spec so I have excuses for bad dps

safe jay
slender sonnet
safe jay
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will do after 17. when relevant content begins

slender sonnet
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I've not seen anything outside of Skyhold about arms being shit

safe jay
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i heard memes across several YT ppls doing tier lists

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however relevant that may be

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xD

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and Critcake ofc which is very relevant to my personal happiness

main creek
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todays mission : go to every spec channel and say "at least we are not arms warrior" to get a buff

slender sonnet
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my warr is my least played 90 at this point I think

safe jay
slender sonnet
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its my 2nd best geared

safe jay
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I got Byronn and Byronnzwei. Both brown and happy to be lackluster

slender sonnet
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mage is 238, warr is 240, druid is 245

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but I've blown all my crests on druid and none on warr

slow saddle
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243 war 241 dk

slender sonnet
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Im just debating if I level another char

fresh spire
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Reddit and twitter has had s few posts that gained alot of traction. Every tier list shit on arms. People meme the shit out of arms across a good few content creators. Like it's had pretty heavy negivitiy compared to normal

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Was a big post on reddit about slam being shit

safe jay
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i like what im hearing

fresh spire
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Been more negative stuff being posted and talked about compared to normal

slender sonnet
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tbf most of the wow content creators I see on my insta are women

safe jay
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its mage/boomielevel negativity and outcry?

slender sonnet
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who just do their house stuff

jovial hare
safe jay
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maybe helps haha

safe jay
slender sonnet
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god forbid a girl have a hobby

jovial hare
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tbf i thought you were a guy so my b

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i don't really click on disc profiles

shadow ibex
slender sonnet
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should I use veteran crests to craft embellishments 🤔

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olive nest
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May as well

slender sonnet
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nice

olive nest
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Well wait what is vet crafted ilvl

slender sonnet
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246

dim basalt
olive nest
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Ahh probably worth it for the embelish then ye

slender sonnet
dim basalt
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How much does T3 cost nowadays?

slender sonnet
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yeh imma send it

olive nest
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Pants and chest with prima spore?

slender sonnet
olive nest
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Kinda big

slender sonnet
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i cant remember

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yeah good shout

dim basalt
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I dont think Id buy the full set anyway

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Half the set is whatever

slender sonnet
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I only bought the full plate set for the achi

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I dont have full leather

olive nest
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Is that the blue mog?

slender sonnet
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ya

olive nest
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Ahh sweet yeah I bought that one too

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But I’m pretty sure it was like 300k total or something

slender sonnet
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I wanna get more but its a lot of gold

olive nest
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No way I spent millions

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Maybe I got lucky when it first released?

slender sonnet
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nah it cost me like 4mill per set with the crafting

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yeah

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I got the leather chest on BMAH in MoP for 10k

olive nest
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Wicked grab! Nice

dim basalt
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Maybe I should farm T3 myself and craft it copium

olive nest
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You could easily

dim basalt
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Just takes lots of time

olive nest
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People had the ability to craft it the week it released

dim basalt
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(or lots of alts)

olive nest
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Don’t you do quests in nax for that

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Idr honestly

slender sonnet
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yeah

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there's a quest chain to unlock the vendor

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then you just gamba your scourgestones iirc

jovial hare
dim basalt
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I should read into it

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Oh wait, someone who already has the full T3 set has to craft it

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Thats cursed

olive nest
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I’m a moron and wasn’t paying attention so I accidentally sent my dungeon belt with haste to 250 instead of 246 for free wasting crests lmao

main creek
jovial hare
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damn dude who let the mawsworn in here

olive nest
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Sick mog

slender sonnet
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I love the new outfit system

jovial hare
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its so good

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like omg

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i can look like indiana jones in town and a shambling wreck in dungeons

slender sonnet
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I can change my mog constantly with my adhd without spending all my gold

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nodders

fresh spire
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Still don't have gloves or chest

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Insane looks jank

main creek
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I want some armors that make you feel like a juggernaut and that dont look too goofy 🙁

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KT are goat because they use their 2H weapons with a single hand and thats badass, but everything look wrong on them

slender sonnet
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rahhhh

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dim basalt
fresh spire
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I just been buying parts off bmah when i remember

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Bought most peices back in covid when it was chesper

slow saddle
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is there an BMAH like homepage

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where u can c what they have on sale on diff servers ?

slender sonnet
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you used to be able to on undermine journal

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but idk anymore

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idk where even the bmah is now

main creek
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murder row

slender sonnet
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oh ok

dim basalt
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Can BMAH only be accessed by lvl 90 characters now?

icy mulch
# fresh spire I feel somewhat optimistic for actual buffs.

I do remember when Warbreaker had the bad ass spikes. That was the best animation for it.
Also, of course we should be optimistic about buffs coming. Arms is so bad ST that 30% aura would only bring it up to on par with fury. Will they do it? Highly doubtful, but they will do something. It will just be them pissing on a raging dumpster fire though.

fresh spire
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I think 30% puts it either above or close to fury.

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Usually arms sims more thsn fury but fury will still out preform it due to how the spec works and flows

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Nicer for situational stuff

main creek
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is it better to skip rend if ennemies are not lasting the whole duration ?

fresh spire
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Rend on St is mostly a filler for slayer.
On aoe you want to keep rend up

main creek
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yeah i get why rend > slam in ST but whats the point in AOE ? rage generation through bleed perhaps ?

fresh spire
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Nah initial damage is pretty good. Uncapped and the dot

quiet bramble
fresh spire
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You use rend only to maintain buff as high prio otherwise use it over slam for aoe

main creek
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ok nice ty ! Understanding the shenaningans helps me memorizing the rotation 🙂

slender sonnet
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Bar Fusans Hackblade

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Iirc

quiet bramble
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waait do we macro CS with Ava?

slow saddle
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no?

slow saddle
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coz we MUST SURPASS FURY

fresh spire
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You can

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As they line up with no apex

minor gust
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You can but then you are like fury. You don't wanna be like fury

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But realistically you probably shouldn't because theres likely still scenarios you wanna hold ava but send cs @quiet bramble

rose ibex
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Fury feels like im fighting with pool noodles

minor gust
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So I say do not macro together unless you wanna have 1 button with cs + ava and another button just cs

rose ibex
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Arms sound design makes me happy

icy mulch
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Minus slam.

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Slam sounds lame.

minor gust
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Demolish sounds even more lame

magic ocean
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Feels weird too with that little delay between the weapon impact and the explosion

sudden topaz
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12.0.5 changes up and oof

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Arms
Mortal Wounds now triggers from Mortal Strike and Slam (was Mortal Strike and Cleave).
Colossus
Practiced Strikes now increases Mortal Strike and Slam damage by 15% and Cleave and Whirlwind damage by 15%.
Slayer
Reap the Storm now triggers when Whirlwind or Cleave hits 3 or more targets. Chance to trigger changed to 15% (was 20%).
Imminent Demise no longer causes Sudden Death to trigger Reap the Storm.
Unrelenting Onslaught now also increases damage dealt by Bladestorm by 20%.

fresh spire
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Ruh

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Rip sd reap

reef glade
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saved

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🎦

fresh spire
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Why

sharp wyvern
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wait how are we gonna do dmg if we dont reap on SD

sudden topaz
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cleave triggers it now by hitting 3 targets

dim basalt
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rip SD reap lol

tardy hare
dim basalt
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WW reap tho!!!

minor gust
finite wasp
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wait this is the tuning for next week

sharp wyvern
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wdym we are back isnt this a ST nerrf ?

supple crypt
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its ptr

minor gust
dim basalt
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Unrelenting Onslaught now also increases damage dealt by Bladestorm by 20%.
is kinda huge tho

finite wasp
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ok good thank god

sudden topaz
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its 12.0.5 ptr

steep osprey
dim basalt
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I really dont understand why they remove sd reap

rose ibex
minor gust
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No amount of changes can undo the fact they undid one of the best changes of midnight

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SD reap not even lasting half a patch is insane

dim basalt
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ikr

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Theyre also completely killing bleeds for aoe

rose ibex
dim basalt
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Please remove Rend while youre at it thanks

marsh estuary
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these changes are so weird

steep osprey
sacred zodiac
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Mortal Strike damage reduced by 25%. blizzard what the fuck?

minor gust
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Arms poor tuning whatever but removing SD reap is bat shit insane

marsh estuary
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are they scared of something?

sudden topaz
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tuning better be huge for the 17th

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with this bullshit

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sd reap fun detected

marsh estuary
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fury got better buffs overall

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minor gust
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Almost all this 12.05 shit is awful

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Like genuinely awful

rose ibex
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Wait am I crazy. Those notes sound bad

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I dont like pressing slam....

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Slam is the sad button

sharp wyvern
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how are people exited over this

minor gust
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Mortal wounds no longer working with cleave just killing bleeds even more

sharp wyvern
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this is bad

dim basalt
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The unrelenting onslaught is the only decent change

rose ibex
sudden topaz
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deep wounds not triggering on cleave crits ouch

marsh estuary
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guess im sticking to rogue

minor gust
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Like genuinely if these 12.05 changes go through I'm gonna drop this fucking shit class

rose ibex
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I cant seem to find the notes

minor gust
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I am so fucking done

marsh estuary
kindred breach
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whirlwind spam REEEE

latent moss
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bro

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no way

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sd reap is dead

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what

steep osprey
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What are you talking about

kindred breach
latent moss
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whats wrong with current reap hello blizzard

minor gust
marsh estuary
dim basalt
latent moss
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ye bro start the chain lowkey

steep osprey
latent moss
sharp wyvern
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guys this is surely gonna make sense once we see the changes on the 17th

fresh spire
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Sd reap change is pretty painful. There is a world where ww slayer could exist and its fun.

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But it needs giga cooking

kindred breach
rose ibex
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Im dumb and cant find the notes

cyan oriole
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alright im actually pissed now. how the hell are they kicking us when we're down already like fuck off what tf are they even doing

latent moss
fresh spire
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Identity.

latent moss
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it gave sd value on aoe

rose ibex
latent moss
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besides bs cdr

fresh spire
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The mortal wounds change was 100% done to give colossus more bleed damage through slam.

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To try push the no execute ms>slam agenda

latent moss
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yeah and it makes sense

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but legit

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it wont function

rose ibex
latent moss
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cause everything is op

fresh spire
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It flows with ww being slammed with fob for mass bleeding. But damn removing sd reap is actually the biggest and most dogshit blizzard move this year

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The best thing we got this expansion was shot

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No joke. Fucking morons

latent moss
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yeah

soft dew
fresh spire
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Slayer arms will go back to playing like shit and ww spamming

cyan oriole
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it its just a cringe ass change i dont want to tab target to apply deep wounds

minor gust
fresh spire
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You wouldn't

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Lemme just shoot sd reap after 1 year of begging

minor gust
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Like all these changes are fucking disgusting

fleet sinew
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https://files.catbox.moe/1i1hnf.png
this is me trying my hardest at the 5 target dummies at 240 ilvl
If anyone is up for something similar (or have posted and I missed it), please share

latent moss
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literally

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begging them dor sd aoe value

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since tww s1

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they finally give it

cyan oriole
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i actually dont know what theyre thinking here i just dont get it

latent moss
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and instq shot

minor gust
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It's fucking disgusting

brazen sigil
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At this point just remove arms holy shit

latent moss
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nah like im actually pissed

minor gust
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OMG hahaha WW reap you guys asked for this too

latent moss
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slayer will go back

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to eating shit

minor gust
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But sorry we gotta take away SD reap

cyan oriole
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yeah, great blizzard. lemme just constantly tab target to apply dw to everything in a pack now. great. sounds so fucking fun

latent moss
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and having miserable aoe gameplay

thick hamlet
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why remove the SD reap though? was both reap on SD and WW existing at the same time too powerful?

minor gust
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Because blizzard doesn't think

latent moss
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why did they change reap in the first place

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whats wrong with current reap

minor gust
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They put 0 thought and effort into any change they make with this class

latent moss
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its a proc that does big dam

river ridge
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Unless the plan on like GIGA buffing Bladestorm, the change makes no sense

latent moss
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time to spam ww i guess

thick hamlet
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why no dev notes at least to say something

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this is confusing

dim basalt
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Im expecting way more gameplay changes tho

latent moss
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time to NOT touch slayer

olive nest
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@fresh spire Please update the lizard 🤝

latent moss
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and play with a shamam as colo

olive nest
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Cleave or WW

halcyon valve
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what are they doing over on ptr man

icy mulch
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(Slayer) Imminent Demise no longer causes Sudden Death to trigger Reap the Storm.
WTF?

minor gust
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If the ptr forums are up I gotta make a post about SD reap and need everyone on NA to add to it. @fresh spire need you to make one for EU we can't let this shit die.

steep osprey
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This won't be coming out until 2 months and there will be most likely more changes

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They could also revert this

rose ibex
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Wait. Mortal Wounds is jsut thr heal cut right?

minor gust
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Literally the single best change of midnight dead in half a patch

steep osprey
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And looking at the reactions, they might lol

sharp wyvern
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guys lets wait til next week when the buffs happen
im sure they will put this into context copium

minor gust
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Actual disgusting behavior from blizzard

pine drum
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So they're looking ahead to make us bad, while also currently being bad. Nice!

halcyon valve
minor gust
dreamy sandal
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Bros we need to actually make some noise

rose ibex
dreamy sandal
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When this happens to boomkins and mages they never shut up about it

steep osprey
sharp wyvern
smoky jungle
minor gust
eternal edge
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Some noise for what
Look at how we are now, they just don't care about us

minor gust
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I will not accept them removing SD reap

slender sonnet
icy mulch
thick hamlet
plucky fern
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they must be trolling with those changes

minor gust
eternal edge
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Imagine they'll still remove the SD reap
It's like another nerf tbh

smoky jungle
thick hamlet
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assume those changes make it to live, is that a net positive on ST where arms struggles?

plucky fern
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imagine being the worst spec in the game BY FAR and getting nerfed TWICE in a row

icy mulch
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Whirlwind being added to reap proc list is beyond questionable.

umbral badger
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guys my brother just sent me this

fresh spire
olive nest
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Amazing thank you

halcyon valve
umbral badger
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i don't get it is that all ?

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on the 18th ?

slender sonnet
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they're actually taking the piss

plucky fern
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practiced strikes is direct nerf right? it was 20 now 15
also cleave not proccing bleeds is direct aoe nerf
are there even anything positive in those changes lol

soft dew
dim basalt
umbral badger
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even ithen, this is just pure irony

dim basalt
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yup

umbral badger
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i've already been thinking to ask for a refund and quit

silk ice
eternal edge
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Or
They'll buff us next week and it explain why they'll do it on PTR?
Nah joking

cyan oriole
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theyre legit just the most horrible and unfun changes they could have done

minor gust
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Can't post on ptr forums yet

umbral badger
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i don't know, we gotta threaten blizzard a bit to get any fair treatment apparenlty like paladins did last expansion

minor gust
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As soon as we can I am making one for arms

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We gotta bitch together on forums

plucky fern
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at this point im not even sure if 30% aurabuff will save this spec

soft dew
eternal edge
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Guys this makes my WoD arms warrior PTSD coming back

rose ibex
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The ptr changes feel like 3 big nerfs and a mid buff

slender sonnet
umbral badger
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they would care when ppl start asking for a refund

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i refunded in the past for balance reasons

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we didn't pay all the money to end up being trolled lol

plucky fern
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yeah surely if 10 remaining arms players will refund they will listen
keks

halcyon valve
tired sinew
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that warrior change.. looool

umbral badger
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50% buff won't make us relevant on single target

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we are more than 50% weaker than teh weakest class

soft dew
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I feel like they just gave up on Arms a while back and we're not getting shit

steep osprey
plucky fern
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arms still nerfed but a death fucking knight is getting another rework
brilliant work from blizzard as usual

umbral badger
regal dragon
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when are we protesting

umbral badger
minor gust
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Love how reap proc rate eats another nerf just to include WW

soft dew
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Hey we could still hope they nerf all other specs by 50%

slender sonnet
minor gust
kindred breach
soft dew
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Less shit but true

regal dragon
tawdry quail
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I just read the patch notes , nerf or buff? Or no change

river ridge
umbral badger
# kindred breach Fury is shit too

historically fury have always been above average overall, arms have been below average to bottom. you can seek the data that shows you all of that.

thick kelp
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uttter dogshit

tawdry quail
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Cos I read unholy dk and that clearly seemed like a buff

olive nest
tawdry quail
misty bridge
olive nest
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Sad time

cyan oriole
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they made the gameplay cringe and horrible which is worse than tuning being bad

plucky fern
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well theres a glimmer of cope still remaining
Those are notes for 12.0.5, not promised balance tuning next week

umbral badger
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it's like the only thing we have for us is aoe and they are nerfing it as well as ST lol

plucky fern
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surely we get a fat buff at wednesday right?

dim basalt
plucky fern
river ridge
umbral badger
#

i don't trust them

sharp wyvern
umbral badger
#

blizzard sucks let them make more houses

turbid summit
#

hi guys im new to wow is Arms Warrior a good class to play?

minor gust
#

Utter disgusting dogshit notes

plucky fern
unkempt wren
umbral badger
#

i swear you need 1 dev on the balance to know it's fked , they seem to allocate all rss on housing and shit lol

plucky fern
#

but at least let me do some damage

cyan oriole
#

i dont even want tuning next week. they obviously dont know what the hell theyre doing with the spec if this is what we're gonna get in a patch. theyll do some shit like buff deep wounds damage next week so it can get removed in next patch

steep osprey
#

Surely they understand that Execute doing AoE damage is really important for arms Slayer

soft gust
#

I dont think the arms dev understands much at all at this point

minor gust
bold ether
unkempt wren
#

I don't think they actually have a warrior dev at this point

eternal edge
#

The last time we were so bad was WoD and they didn't anything until Legion tho
Don't copium

sharp wyvern
#

every time we get warior patchnotes i believe more and more that there is no warrior dev but just a mage dev trying to make warrior as bad as possible

plucky fern
minor gust
#

They don't have spec/class devs they all work on shit together

left minnow
#

ther is still hope right ? okayge

minor gust
#

Some devs focus on certain classes purely out of interest for the class

halcyon valve
bold ether
#

I love that arms is F tier in pve and pvp :)

umbral badger
icy mulch
quiet bramble
#

are we kinda back seramore

regal dragon
#

when are we shutting down the server

halcyon valve
smoky jungle
left minnow
bold ether
river ridge
# left minnow ther is still hope right ? <:okayge:917646812519739433>

Yes, since they said, "With the first 12.0.5 PTR build, players will see several class changes included in this update. These are just the first round of changes; additional class changes are planned and will be added in future PTR builds over the coming weeks."

But even than its like We've seen all of Alpha and Beta, and you still didn't address a lot of things, and even made changes around bugs we pointed out.

minor gust
left minnow
olive nest
umbral badger
#

maybe we should start by asking the server admins to change the channel name from "arms" to "meme spec"

minor gust
#

RIP slayer SD reap lasted half a patch

umbral badger
#

i am serious

hallow panther
quiet bramble
slender sonnet
halcyon valve
#

rename channel to Legs, because we're running away

tawdry quail
bold ether
cyan oriole
#

not enough people are talking about how cringe that will be in m+

Screenshot_2026-03-12_114844.png
umbral badger
sharp wyvern
halcyon valve
umbral badger
#

petition for skyhold admins to change arms channel name to "meme spec"

left minnow
#

Best Housing spec

river ridge
left minnow
#

change my mind

dim basalt
eager rock
plush wharf
#

hi boys, are we back yet?

cyan oriole
#

it will require us to constantly tab target ms and slam to maximize damage its fucking nuts theyre making it like that

steep osprey
#

Don't worry guys, they can fix this by adding an AoE strike on SD itself, instead of relying on Reap

kindred breach
steep osprey
#

I got the receipts

quiet bramble
#

i guess Slury eating good

halcyon valve
plush wharf
regal dragon
half vine
umbral badger
tawdry quail
tranquil oar
#

Lets go we got gutted again !

bold ether
tranquil oar
#

Cant wait for 17th for more nerfs

minor gust
umbral badger
#

lets change channel name to "meme spec"

left minnow
#

i mean if you play arms you are still a xeos

umbral badger
#

lets gooo

halcyon valve
steep osprey
river ridge
# tawdry quail And that’s what they removed?

Yes, that plus Our big Dot from Mortal Strike and Cleave, dropped to just Mortal Strike and Slam now. Which to a degree Cleave needed the nerf, but the spec is so bad why would you remove any power from it

steep osprey
bold ether
minor gust
sharp wyvern
#

what if they make slam aoe on the 17th tho

river ridge
steep osprey
umbral badger
cyan oriole
#

just nerf arms again this week i dont care ill becom a fotm reroller after 20 years of playing arms

steep osprey
#

Wait for next patch notes

minor gust
tranquil oar
steep osprey
#

I'm joking lol

tawdry quail
minor gust
#

Deep wounds

river ridge
steep osprey
tawdry quail
#

Wtfff

halcyon valve
#

just 5 more days until we get buffed, surely copium

quiet bramble
sharp wyvern
quiet bramble
#

that's arms right there

bold ether
fresh spire
#

Guys you remember like over a month ago when they nerfed cleave proc rate for reap. Well the memes still work

empty sluice
#

Are these changes joke?

fresh spire
#

WERE SOOO FUCKING BACKK LETS GOOOO

river ridge
slender sonnet
#

I'm finally doing it

olive nest
#

Cleave not applying deep wounds is the most dogshit thing

slender sonnet
#

and going fury

steep osprey
#

Well the proc rate is going to be even higher if you can spam WW for it

olive nest
#

wtf!?

slender sonnet
#

I hate myself

fresh spire
#

Too many

steep osprey
#

So that doesn't apply

minor gust
fresh spire
#

Lil gup

latent moss
umbral badger
#

if the 100 arms warrior ask for refund they might considering putting a new blizzard employee " probably they will put an intern, who would still do better than them"

eager rock
#

So Cleave becomes a useless talent point now?

cyan oriole
halcyon valve
#

no cleave is still strong

olive nest
#

They can :pantsgrab: DN

#

Fucking tab targeting

umbral badger
olive nest
sharp wyvern
#

all this just so fury doenst have to use rend anymore

quiet bramble
#

did unholy get aany nerfs

sharp wyvern
#

next week

umbral badger
#

so what blizzard did with this change is "deep wounds" does not exist in AOE outside of demo

eternal edge
fresh spire
sharp wyvern
#

deep wounds arent as important nowadays

#

thats not the issue here

fresh spire
#

Deep wounds was sizable damage none the less.

eager rock
fresh spire
#

I think the mortal wounds change isn't as bad as it seems.

minor gust
fresh spire
#

But. The potential for ww to completely overthrow rotation is an issue

umbral badger
fresh spire
minor gust
#

It really just just the Slayer and reap changes

fresh spire
#

More about more potential for procs and more st in general

eager rock
#

nvm I am stupid

sharp wyvern
icy mulch
sharp wyvern
#

its not like it applies our mastery anymore

umbral badger
#

no, i don't hink some of you guys understand. if they buff your cleave dmg enough to do GOOD in giga hectic situations. then your cleave would be OP as fk in non-hectic situation. that's why deep wounds was a good way to help in hectic situations without making cleave extra op.

#

so it is A HUGE issue

eternal edge
#

But why buff WW why we got cleave btw

quiet bramble
#

our ST dmg is gonna be legendary okayge

icy mulch
#

legendarily bad

minor gust
quiet bramble
fresh spire
#

Is dn gets rebuffed.

steep citrus
ivory quartz
#

bro what the fuck are these changes

fresh spire
#

And the main focus is to ms/op weave and ww on 3 stacks of colat

minor gust
#

Maybe

#

That would be nice

fresh spire
#

But fob ww mortal wounds will still be powerful.

thick hamlet
#

watch arms players meme around and take it anyway keks

eternal edge
#

Arms is the new housing spec I guess

sage bison
minor gust
#

But we gotta get them to revert the SD change at all costs or slayer is gonna feel like shit no matter what

rose ibex
#

Slayer is so fun. Dont like seeing nerfs

fresh spire
weak rain
tawdry quail
ivory quartz
#

what the hell is blizzards issue with reap proccing off sudden death??

river ridge
#

Yes

icy mulch
quiet bramble
#

guys, arms gonna get to play as thane in 17th march, it's so peak

fresh spire
#

Slayer ww has room to work. Talant wise and support wise with reap. Still. Doesn't justify blowing sudden death reaps ass wide open

sage bison
#

Arms is gonna get to play “bring fucking anything else to raid atp” on the 17th yahooooo

bitter escarp
#

lol

steep osprey
#

Reap needs to be removed NGL

#

The whole slayer hero tree needs to be reworked

fresh spire
#

Honestly. More nerfs coming in class tuning let's be real

eternal edge
#

Yup

ivory quartz
untold pewter
#

They just don't want anyone playing Arms do they?

umbral badger
sharp wyvern
#

prot is gonna do more dmg than arms

quiet bramble
kindred breach
tranquil oar
#

WW cant work cause in our set you only extend the colo duration with cleave

eternal edge
umbral badger
inner wasp
#

so arms is
worse?

tranquil oar
#

I bet blizzard will not code it to be able to be extended with ww

bitter escarp
inner wasp
#

gg

tranquil oar
quiet bramble
eternal edge
#

Worst spec atm

kindred breach
vast helm
#

why nerf?

kindred breach
umbral badger
#

you all are cry babies, can't nerf arms any more than this anyway. 0 is the lowest you get unless we start healing the enemies 😂

eternal edge
#

Answer is blizz™

full furnace
#

we were all clearly sandbagging, they saw through our tricks

umbral badger
#

oh shit, dont' give blizzard ideas, pls don't make us heal the enemies

sharp wyvern
#

they are trying to get us ready to be a support spec

umbral badger
eternal edge
#

Housing spec 💯

umbral badger
#

new achivement unlocked "complete m+ 20 with an arms warrior in your party"

bitter escarp
slate briar
halcyon valve
#

Class Changes
Arms
Every weapon an Arms warrior uses automatically gets transmogged into a soft pool noodle

sharp wyvern
umbral badger
vast helm
#

Arms is a transmog spec confirmed.

eternal edge
#

Most important thing: they released that PTR patch notes when all ppl are waiting about live patch notes for the next week

silk ice
#

horrendous decision making

umbral badger
#

you know what, i will accept our position as arms if they give us a new skill, summon Ion Hazzikostas target dummy and cleave off it at the boss.

#

at least hitting a dev target dummy will make me feel better, although the dummy will probably have a laugh track "wet noodle, what are you doing"

tender knot
minor gust
#

There is

#

This is just ptr notes

#

2 very different things

eternal edge
river ridge
#

This also is a very weird change to make in the middle of a season.

warm fog
#

There will be tuning next week

hushed pine
full furnace
#

3% aura buff incoming

river ridge
#

These feel like they should be done at the start of a season instead of like straight in the middle of one.

minor gust
#

Well likely either see the tuning notes tonight or tomorrow

umbral badger
#

either way, we will see what the 18th changes are , just my advice guys don't raise your hopes xd

sharp wyvern
#

its gonna be nerfs

ivory quartz
#

50% aura buff and we still wont be relevant

sharp wyvern
#

they believe arms is the stongest spec in the game clearly

hushed pine
#

Oh buddy I have my bingo card ready, I know for a fact I will get at least one bingo

umbral badger
#

remember TWW when we were 30% weaker than everyone and they gave us 9% aura to shut us up and we did shut up instead of asking why are they barely making us viable lol

sharp wyvern
#

cause fury exists

steep osprey
umbral badger
ivory quartz
sharp wyvern
#

who cares about aura buffs i want the gameplay to not be a slog

plain latch
#

if we add 45k dmg to our 70 we're still not on dk dmg

untold pewter
#

We pay monthly subscriptions for AI to balance the game

clowning

eternal edge
#

If arms stay like that I'll stop the game.
I said when WoD ended that if arms warrior is the worst spec in raids I'll stop.
I guess it's time.

umbral badger
#

@steep osprey we already have the numbers, even with 50% buff we will barely hit the low tier ST dps.

slender sonnet
steep osprey
full furnace
kindred breach
steep osprey
#

They're clearly overtuned

ivory quartz
#

dk is irrelevant, we're more than 50% shy of median

umbral badger
#

@steep osprey you understand that the average class dps is about 40%-60% dps higher than arms ?

#

so it has nothing ro do with dk

steep osprey
#

Assuming the overtuned specs get nerfed, 50% aura buff is extreme

umbral badger
#

we are not 50% weaker than overtuned specfs, we are 50% weaker than the bottom average specs

sharp wyvern
#

fury only does 20% more dmg than arms so i guess arms only needs 15% aura buffs

steep osprey
#

Expect a 20% at best

bitter escarp
umbral badger
#

and that's with raid tier

#

where arms set bonus is decent

fresh spire
#

Fury 96k arms 77k

#

In bis

#

Dk is 140k

sharp wyvern
#

i trust fishy

steep osprey
#

Someone's always going to be the worst but if arms gets buffed by 20%, they're going to be the middle

ivory quartz
#

median is 98-100k

#

amongst specs

quiet bramble
steep osprey
#

DK is getting nerfed, no way it isn't

fresh spire
#

Unholy

#

Frost is 135

quiet bramble
#

fuck me

fresh spire
#

Demo lock is like 155

umbral badger
fresh spire
#

Evokers is 120

sharp wyvern
#

im more worried about demo not getting nerfed
UDK got some mad buffs in the patch just now

fresh spire
steep osprey
#

If the median is 95-100k then expect to see specs oversimming to be nerfed

bitter escarp
#

Survival hunter got thoughtful changes guys.

proper moth
#

Arms is cooked

fresh spire
sharp wyvern
#

mages getting dev notes classic

#

what was the last time we got some

umbral badger
minor gust
candid pecan
#

SD reap was fun wtf

slender sonnet
fresh spire
shut token
#

Did colossus get nerfed? Practiced Strikes now increases Mortal Strike and Slam damage by 15% and Cleave and Whirlwind damage by 15%. It´s 20% on live right?

cyan oriole
candid pecan
vast helm
umbral badger
fresh spire
kindred breach
bitter escarp
fresh spire
#

Back to colossus you go

slender sonnet
sharp wyvern
#

guys they are just worried that we are gonna be good at the 1 boss that has 2 targets
so we have to do half the dmg to balance it

candid pecan
steep osprey
#

Lol

slender sonnet
shut token
ivory quartz
#

meanwhile fury ww applies rend what a fucking awesome qol change

tranquil oar
bitter escarp
kindred breach
sharp wyvern
eternal edge
#

Vanilla player here
Bring back Legion arms pls

fresh spire
#

Vanilla player here
I like melee swinging

ivory quartz
sharp wyvern
slender sonnet
#

I miss DF S4 arms

full furnace
#

i miss nyalotha arms

sharp wyvern
#

i miss DF S1 arms before the .5 patch

ivory quartz
#

same

eternal edge
#

Yeah valid too

#

It was fun and strong

slender sonnet
#

yeah same

sharp wyvern
#

we played mortal combo for the first time ever

ivory quartz
#

i liked big bonk exilerating blows

sharp wyvern
#

but they had to change arms cause shockwave was a capstone

#

and now we are here

umbral badger
dim basalt
minor gust
sharp wyvern
gloomy oak
sharp wyvern
#

lots of people played collosus at the start

hushed pine
#

Cata and Legion Arms were the best iteration of Arms

#

I will die on this hill

tawdry quail
#

Thing is idc if it’s just numbers nerf, it is what it is. But they’re ruining the gameplay of it

sharp wyvern
#

i dont member cata

steep osprey
tawdry quail
#

So when it gets aura buff it’ll still feel shit to play

umbral badger
# sharp wyvern you mean court ?

nah there were a few fights in every tier where i managed to make colossus compete in top 100-200 but there is another arms warrior who only enjoys colossus just forgot his name lol

steep osprey
#

MoP is way better

simple lintel
#

I hate scrolling down to the bottom of the class notes and getting sad.

hushed pine
sharp wyvern
#

you get sad i just get confused

#

more and more

hushed pine
#

Saves you a LOT of trouble

umbral badger
#

i mean literally 2 ppl

hushed pine
#

instead of getting blue balled

eternal edge
#

MoP Legion and DF S1 imo

steep osprey
vast helm
#

somebody just save Arms plz.

fresh spire
hushed pine
minor gust
hushed pine
#

and it had better rage management than MoP

eternal edge
umbral badger
#

this guy, he is good

image.png
karmic reef
vast helm
eternal edge
hushed pine
#

I just want old Marked for Execution sadge

fresh spire
minor gust
#

Look guys enough talk I wanna see only gif spam for the rest of the day

sage bison
umbral badger
#

i want the skyhold guys ot change arms cannel to "meme spec' xd

meager thunder
minor gust
#

Gif spam

dim basalt
fresh spire
hushed pine
timid saffron
#

are the updates good or bad

empty sluice
simple lintel
timid saffron
#

please no bully

vast helm
#

I suddenly realized that we Arms players must have undergone all sorts of rigorous training and stress-resistance in our daily lives.

empty sluice
candid pecan
fresh spire
#

Fucking dogshit

bold ether
minor gust
fresh spire
#

Time to cook ww slayer to see how close I can get it to cleave

regal dragon
#

Can we pull a paladin move yet?

sage bison
sharp wyvern
#

no

reef glade
#

need a new arms one with the slayer gif

sharp wyvern
#

we are not cringe

reef glade
#

band together

timid saffron
#

damn why are the updates bad

candid pecan
shy dew
fervent cedar
#

Fury chat celebrating ID change guys we are so cooked

minor gust
regal dragon
reef glade
reef wagon
sharp wyvern
#

keep in mind the rets only got a 5% buff and i dont think that will help us anyway

candid pecan
fervent cedar
reef glade
#

and it was def not in response to some chud discord closing down lol

candid pecan
#
  • some other questionable changes
simple lintel
umbral badger
reef glade
#

was absolutely a planned buff

fresh spire
paper umbra
#

So kings, are the changes good?

sage bison
paper umbra
meager hazel
#

John Blizzard told me 3% aura buff coming for 12.0.7 guys chill the fuk out

sharp wyvern
regal dragon
timid saffron
#

apparently not but i do see dmg increases in the notes

sage bison
gritty ingot
marsh estuary
timid saffron
umbral badger
#

ok, time to go play the better game, path of exile.

chrome island
#

Stop playing arms jeez let it die

dusty dagger
sharp wyvern
minor gust
sage bison
timid saffron
#

😂

slow saddle
#

Wait

paper umbra
timid saffron
#

DONT send a meme

slow saddle
#

Does this mean

olive nest
simple lintel
sage bison
#

u cant read words anyways

slow saddle
#

Sd + reap is gone???

#

Like fr???

minor gust
candid pecan
reef glade
#

ya! 😄

slow saddle
#

Only good part

#

Wtf

sharp wyvern
#

yup

timid saffron
sage bison
eternal edge
marsh estuary
slow saddle
#

And mortal woubds

#

Lol

timid saffron
#

thats a nerf but is the total dps higher now or lower

sharp wyvern
# timid saffron DONT send a meme

go to the target dummy for a minute or two and then look how much % of your dmg is in reap the storm thats how much % we will lose in ST

timid saffron
#

does anyonee know

empty sluice
#

How bad is arms whirlwind?

sharp wyvern
#

the BS buff is maybe 1.5% but we lose 4-5% reap dmg

minor gust
timid saffron
#

bro plz bro

umbral badger
empty sluice
#

Sadly I know

dim basalt
bitter escarp
#

I hope they bring ToM back so we can ww spam

boreal bay
#

btw I don't get why announce those changes for 12.0.5. Or are those coming with the raid on the 17th?

timid saffron
minor gust
latent moss
bold ether
#

its over

chrome lava
#

what garbage dev did this

meager hazel
#

who cares about how this changes the damage profile this was a cool playstyle

chrome lava
#

Like, do you even play the spec

gritty ingot
bold ether
candid pecan
#

he does, he just couldn't believe that SD reap will be gone

final rover
#

so -5% to main abilities and no easy way to apply mortal wounds for the lowest spec in the game? XD

candid pecan
#

I checked the date its not april fools...

simple lintel
#

Good thing Training Grounds exists now so I can still have a chance in PvP

timid saffron
#

lol

bold ether
#

arms also worst dps in pvp

sharp wyvern
#

my bets are still on support spec angle

#

the 17th is gonna go crazy

vast helm
#

Did you know that being told you'd be nerfed before the season even started, and even before the class changes on the 17th came out, made for a really bad gaming experience?

umbral badger
#

😂 🤣

reef glade
#

bro the ai bg is way too op

#

that shits harder than real bgs

#

those fuckers are in full conquest gear

sharp wyvern
#

not anymore

reef glade
#

500k hp dps and healers

#

o did they nerf em

minor gust
umbral badger
#

arms still strong and viable vs/with AI

minor gust
umbral badger
#

don't lose hope

sharp wyvern
bold ether
reef glade
#

my battle for gillneas took like 12 minutes

vast helm
lime ruin
#

Wait what. Execute proccing reap made slayer fun in mythics

sharp wyvern
#

in prepatch that shit was hell tho

umbral badger
lime ruin
#

Why change

reef glade
#

sd reap change cuz they're giving it to ww for free for fury how kind

#

im sure this wont negatively impact arms cluegi

sage bison
bold ether
reef glade
#

unless they make it so cleave also reaps same rate as ww

#

which i guess it might

minor gust
reef glade
#

since cleave replaces ww