arms

[plucky osprey]

All I could think of was bloodletting haha cheers

[fresh spire]

Might have a new cook. Checking some stuff

[quiet bramble]

BL feels nice

[white stratus]

Ilvl 232 i dont even get invited to m0 groups lol

[quiet bramble]

it happens

just keep spamming

[craggy cypress]

faster to make your own

[white stratus]

Why tho, m0 is like some heroix basically and how am i supposed to get to 240 if i dont get invited

[warped ether]

70% of the time playing wow is just lfg

[slender sonnet]

is there only 1 spark this weekl

[thick kelp]

ye

[slender sonnet]

oki

[dim basalt]

1 spark each week from now on

[slender sonnet]

ta

[fresh spire]

Here is your new weekly build.

[olive nest]

🔥

[fresh spire]

Rend(buff maintain)>Cleave>sudden death>mortal strike>dn

[thick kelp]

You can move Crushing combo anywhere for some St

[fresh spire]

You lose 2.5% dps tho

[thick kelp]

in aoe

[fresh spire]

[thick kelp]

#st king

[fresh spire]

Bloodsurge also doesn't seem to be working on sims. So it may return when fixed

[olive nest]

I.. cannot.. believe.. cleave.. is.. prio.. above.. mortal strike

WTH are we doing blizzard!?!?

[fresh spire]

Cleave is damn strong

[white stratus]

Somehow i never got the second spark

First week

[fresh spire]

It's the only thing tuned properly in arms

[olive nest]

Just do catch up shouldn’t matter

[fresh spire]

You would loot it this week from a boss

It has catchups

You should have 1 from tour. Then 2 from reset quests

[white stratus]

oh okay, i swear i did both quests the yielded it and i just never got it

[olive nest]

I only did the quest for doing all the renoun events

[white stratus]

other people online had similar issue

[olive nest]

No idea what the other one was

Just get it as catch up and do this weeks quest

[fresh spire]

Maybe wrong quest 🤷‍♂️. Can check on your currency tab for the dust. If it says 1/2 your missing a weekly one. If it's 2/2 your missing the world tour one

[olive nest]

Should be back to 3

[white stratus]

it says 1/1

well it said 1/1 first week

[fresh spire]

It should say 1/2

Then maybe bug

[white stratus]

it does this week say 1/2

oh well dont matter if theres catchup

[quiet bramble]

what's dn? dee- no it has to be sth

[upper sparrow]

is macroin avatar and colossus smash bad?

[boreal igloo]

yeah buddy needs to pack it up

[thick kelp]

I can barely see anything

[quiet bramble]

holy

[boreal igloo]

yeah my buddy goes "dude this guys playing arms" i said no fuckin shot and i saws this...

20% dmg increase incoming

[quiet bramble]

my guy, you're hallucinating

you need sleep

[boreal igloo]

true, -30% cleave dmg

forgot to add a nerf

[thick kelp]

skill issue tbh

the rest of the group is doing nada dps aswell XD

[boreal igloo]

you aint wrong lmao

[thorn stream]

Damn no sweeping strikes modifier and no mass execution
Full st

[olive nest]

Be the boss killer as destiny intended

[daring heron]

arms boss killer lmao

[olive nest]

Make it happen

[dim basalt]

[thick kelp]

Dies to first heal check cuz your prot pala didnt sac

[dim basalt]

One day when Arms benefits from execute more than Fury does

[olive nest]

Condemn me up ion

I’m waiting

[fresh spire]

Since pulls don't last long enough powerful and sweep devalue if you had 5 mins of constant aoe improved sweep value skyrocket. Build was designed around most encounters lasting 1:30. Me value plummets the shorter the pulls as less execute window to really hit jt.

So more worth to lean into ms damage

[olive nest]

I read that as if you were speaking with Irish slang

“Me value plummets”

[fresh spire]

Welsh but close enough

[olive nest]

Then I realized

[fresh spire]

Basically our brothers in speaking weird along side the scots

FOOOUCKINELLL

[olive nest]

LOL!

Amazing

[fresh spire]

We got a Scottish bloke in our guild. The way he pronounces stuff is class.

Tube =chube

Etc

[thorn stream]

What about dungeons like spire

Where you got a full 2 target boss fight

[quiet bramble]

why am i having fun with arms after being fury for a long time

[thorn stream]

Because arms is just superior

[quiet bramble]

[thorn stream]

[misty bridge]

in vibes not output 🙂

[quiet bramble]

i like ur name, i hate random aaaah spinning sword

[misty bridge]

I like ur name as well

[olive nest]

Arms owns brother

Welcome

[fresh spire]

The issue is arms plays fine. Just numbers suck huge ass

Also bt prio slayer feels so wrong after years of raging blows

[quiet bramble]

MS hitting like wet noodle, 17th march better be sth good

[fresh spire]

Change that to everything hitting like shit besides cleave and reap

[quiet bramble]

damn

[olive nest]

I thought about doing the same tbh

[fresh spire]

It feels even worse when I swap keybinds as I've had same keybinds for years and years for buttons

[olive nest]

Can’t have button mashing BT on ring finger

That tendon will be cooked with my spamming habit

[twilit flare]

is everyone enjoying arms? I feel like its one of the last "real" specs of warcraft. I hope they don't fucking gutter the class come tuning next week.

[thick kelp]

define real spec

[twilit flare]

where you attacks mean something

and dont just do flashy big damage

[thick kelp]

haha

[twilit flare]

We literally fight for our lives, each and every mob. We are the last true plahyers

[thick kelp]

Our attacks mean nothing and do no damage

[twilit flare]

no, when its the only way the boss dies, our attacks do mean something

just not what others can do

but comparison is the theft of joy

[olive nest]

I get what you mean

When you press mortal strike you can feel it

Similarly to when you cast a chaos bolt you can feel it

Vs classes doing all their damage as passive

[smoky jungle]

facts, feels like chewing glass

[plucky scarab]

Yo guys, Icy Veins and Wowhead rotation guides for Arms are significantly different now, which one do you follow?

[twilit flare]

unfortunatly I dont feel a mortal strike until i do 2 executes then 4 op or heroic strikes

I dont feel anything

[white stratus]

yeah wow is cooked

[ivory niche]

Just running m0s, aoe feels good, single target feels ass, is that the consensus?

[wet current]

anyone know of a resource that has an updated arms tell me when?

[shadow ibex]

probably looking for a TMW profile

[latent moss]

📅

[minor gust]

Tell me when mentioned

[pure jasper]

arms believers will be rewarded next week

trust

[minor gust]

Next week? We'll find out tomorrow or Friday

[latent moss]

📅

[vagrant aspen]

5% best they can do

[pliant crypt]

arms is that terrible that is shame anymore is going something like complex from bliz

[hexed saddle]

isnt that shit dead as fuck

hekili stopped development, i assumed that it was because they put the nail in the coffin for all combat assist addons

[boreal remnant]

wasn't tell me when the old dbm and bigwigs

[hexed saddle]

im pretty sure it was a rotation assist

maybe im dumb and blind

[boreal remnant]

ah yeah it was kinda like old weakauras ig

[fresh spire]

As far as I know I think the button glow thing inside wow is close to being accurate

[dim basalt]

Oh no Fishy has a new pfp

[fresh spire]

Lego shrimp

[boreal remnant]

fishy is shrimp?

[dim basalt]

Has always been

[fresh spire]

I might have to find a goofy haha fish soon

But shrimp is cool

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-eating-bettaguy-crustacean-gif-16360295

[boreal remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[minor gust]

I thought it was original weakauras

[boreal remnant]

yes

[minor gust]

Some good old school shit

[livid cloak]

Power auras

https://tenor.com/view/oh-i-member-south-park-s20e1-member-berries-member-gif-20603952

[icy mulch]

Sheeeeeeeèyt. I do remember those back in Cataclysm.

Had to write your own stuff, good times.

[livid cloak]

Yeah we old

👴

I was a sophomore in college when wow launched in 04 and you can bet i was playing on launch day

[minor gust]

I was 6 in 04

[shadow ibex]

I used tmw until mid

Was so easy to track anything I wanted

[fossil thistle]

30% or bust

[slow saddle]

Ikr

[lunar hornet]

okay so i tried arms today i currently main survival. why is there like 6 more aoe buttons

and also less dmg

im pressing so much more random shit i expect more dps

[pulsar frost]

I mean realistically its judt cleave

[lunar hornet]

no sweep strike?

or bladestorm

[minor gust]

Really only one aoe button that's cleave. It's just you still gotta press all your other buttons

Rest are cds

[pulsar frost]

I mean sure but you said aoe buttons. I do get you add cds to your hunter rotation

[lunar hornet]

is arms gonna get buffs?

[sacred zodiac]

🔮

[pulsar frost]

Nah only more nerfs

[obtuse sluice]

Don’t bladestorm in pve. Grab ravager

And cleave

[pulsar frost]

The day came where arms ravagering and not bs?

[jaunty slate]

Does arms do anything better than fury right now?

Ive been more drawn to fury for tankiness and im trying to figure out how much of a damage disparity needs to exist post hotfix for me to switch to arms.

[latent moss]

no

probably mass aoe at some insane target count

[obtuse sluice]

You can still pump with cleave and aoe

Its bosses and single target that arms falls behind

[latent moss]

i mean currently

arms is behind fury on 2t

which is insane

the "2t champion" as they called arms in alpha

most of slayers problems are tuning related

colossus on the other hand needs god

[obtuse sluice]

Cleave absolutely wrecks anything more than 2 targets

[latent moss]

thats the issue

every other source of aoe dmg got gutted

and cleave is all ur damage

[minor gust]

You very much can play slayer xD

[obtuse sluice]

When did I say you can’t play slayer?

[latent moss]

u probably should play slayer if the relative difference between it and colo stays the same

[minor gust]

Don't bladestorm in pve

[tall socket]

ouch, this hurts to see

[sage badge]

Arms has aura.

[obtuse sluice]

Ravager + cleave still does more aoe damage than bladestorm

Like cleave is basically your only hope for real damage until tuning

[latent moss]

at that point play colossus

cause u are losing all ur st

[obtuse sluice]

People are so funny on here

[minor gust]

Colo gonna do more AOE for sure but slayer is still good enough for people to play if they want.

[livid cloak]

Bladestorm is a single target cd tbh, and not even a good one at that

[latent moss]

ravager is a loss as slayer in both 8t and st

[obtuse sluice]

Well yeah you can play whatever you want the fuck lol

It’s gonna do less damage

[tall socket]

pally, augment

[chrome lichen]

just hit lvl 87 with my alt, whats fastes way to get 90?

1 or 2 with main

i need to take quest or just go in and i will get it?

[minor gust]

Ain't any content out where that difference matters.

🤷

[chrome lichen]

i see

tyvm i will try it!

so i need to do it lvl 1 yes?

[wooden lava]

stinky aura

@sage badge how is arms doing

[thick kelp]

deswind is playing demolock

[wooden lava]

no way

[thick kelp]

not lying check his yt

[wooden lava]

this is heartbreaking

it's gg bro

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/karl-havoc-i-dont-even-want-to-gif-22543184

[nova marsh]

Cuz evreyones raid lead said "chief if you gear arms youre trolling. Play anything else"

[sage badge]

I play warlock. The other W class.

[wooden lava]

If Deswind has left

there's no hope

numbers aside, does arms actually feel like it plays well?

I played it for like a whole day

and it felt so wonky

[nova marsh]

To me still no

[wooden lava]

I'm wondering if I'm missing something

[nova marsh]

Na because blizz gaslight us into hope during alpha

[wooden lava]

have u guys spent some time on the spec on beta/live?

[nova marsh]

And then crushed it

[wooden lava]

i wanna know if the tier/better gear gives any noticeable improvement

pure gameplay wise

removal of IFTK without any compensatory changes feels so weird

i spammed a bunch of heroic runs and did some m0s

the colossus build is so weird

we lose literally ALL power in execute

obviously my gear being comprised of mastery and vers doesn't help

but holy fuck it feels bad

not taking your final apex talent is crazy

what's the rationale behind it? is it just numerically weak?

@thick kelp

[latent moss]

it causes ur cs to desync

since avatar isnt on it

[shadow ibex]

the haste is added inside the hero trees

[latent moss]

both ava and cs are now on anger management so they are synced

[minor gust]

Slayer plays the best it's ever been. It's very good Colo still feels good in AOE but ST the desync is still there so not as good feeling.

[wooden lava]

really?

i guess i gotta sit on the dummy a bit more

[latent moss]

needs more rage

[wooden lava]

i do like some of the changes

especially to unhinged

getting that garbage out of warrior talent trees was vital

[minor gust]

The rework to slayer executions stuff and no Jugg on top of SD proccing reap is basically all slayer needed to feel great

[wooden lava]

what do u like about slayer so far then

[minor gust]

Gameplay wise

[latent moss]

sd reap

s3 df my beloved

[wooden lava]

oh yeah sd reap is lit

[minor gust]

Makes all your buttons important

In all situations

[latent moss]

i prefer s3 df sd cause the big ass tc felt insane but reap is good too

reap is really tuned high as fuck

[minor gust]

Before SD was just gonna be forgotten in AOE unless you had 3 marks to consume which even then didn't feel worth it

[latent moss]

nerf cleave buff everything by 2 million%

[minor gust]

Can't wait for them to just do an aura buff and Colo cleave just goes through the roof

[wooden lava]

the warrior side of the tree feels so weird

Arms side*

[minor gust]

And cleave becomes priority in ST regardless of things like rava and ME

[wooden lava]

so many aoe oriented talents

and like fuck all for ST

[latent moss]

we still have 9 million aoe talents ye

still have to talent into cleave

[minor gust]

Yee that problem hasn't changed

[proper moth]

Combine MS and Cleave ez

[latent moss]

so in raid the problem remains

if there is any cleav eu just play fury automatically

[wooden lava]

aoe power being split into so many talents seems ridiculous

isn't there a lot of cleave this raid

[proper moth]

Yes

[latent moss]

been that way since the initial rework in df

ye but taking aoe murders ur st

so fury deals more damage

broad strokes takes some time to get used to icl

i wasted ss a million times

wish it just stacked and ss had infinite duration

[proper moth]

I’m telling you guys my idea of making all of arms abilities work like cleave is the move

[icy atlas]

Or make it like MoP where SS has no cooldown. Though idk if Arms has the rage economy for it

[latent moss]

jugg killed is the best one by far

[minor gust]

Making abilities like MS and Exe passively cleave is nice for a separate non cleave build.

[wind hatch]

is there even a way to track the duration rn

[minor gust]

Similar to DF season 2

[latent moss]

ever since slayer became a thing we've been crying about it

pre slayer u didnt have enough sd procs to actually game jugg

s3 df u could kinda if u were insanely lucky u could go into exe phase with a couple of stacks but not 15 xdd

[latent moss]

tbf atp

with ss having like

80% uptime

its almost passive

u waste a half gcd every now and then

not that annoying

[minor gust]

Yeah but talking more targets than 2

Like the choice node with powerful should be 3 target SS

Not extended SS when broad exists

[latent moss]

100%

[restive ledge]

Infinite stack ss

[latent moss]

8t

how stupid is this axaxaxaxax

[proper moth]

Well look at scale commander dev casual 3 beams lol I’m sure bliz could figure it out

[shadow ibex]

they jsut refuse to give it to us

rather make it shitty buff thing u can waste

[latent moss]

same way they refuce tactician

on cs

[shadow ibex]

much better gameplay

[latent moss]

cs on tactician*

[shadow ibex]

[restive ledge]

Wasn't that like legion where it would reset cs

[proper moth]

We get notes on Friday right?

[proper moth]

Yes

[restive ledge]

That was fun times imo

[shadow ibex]

wod had trinket as well it was an idea they had around for awhile

[proper moth]

Legion was just peak period

[shadow ibex]

it was warrior class trinket

[shadow ibex]

whats the uptime like in ST sim of CS debuff

[minor gust]

When you can't tell if this is early TWW or Midnight... Cleave been overpowered for our aoe for awhile now. Right now it's just mega cursed because it's invaded our ST

Cleave in ST for both slayer and Colo is crazy

[proper moth]

When Warrior was the real execute class

[shadow ibex]

tbh the cleave problem was there in tww imo

as early as s1

[minor gust]

Yup

[wind hatch]

is cleave in st for slayer too?

[proper moth]

I prefer hitting cleave over slam tbh

[shadow ibex]

colo numbers are fun but its pure mindless cleave spam

esp with the resets

if u cant cleave, MS if you cant MS, OP

[proper moth]

Make cleave turn into heroic strike lol

[minor gust]

If you have mass execution talented as slayer you will cleave in ST sub 35%

[wind hatch]

yuck

[wooden lava]

With jugg gone, how is arms execute gonna hold up

[minor gust]

It's currently weaker than furys

But not because Jugg is gone

[wooden lava]

It already felt meh w jugg

So is it strictly worse off

[restive ledge]

They just want us to use 2 swords instead of one so badly

[minor gust]

Arms is pretty much not an execute spec rn

[wooden lava]

Cause vicious contempt ain't even that strong

[minor gust]

Exe just overnerfed

[wooden lava]

Fuuuuuuuuck

[minor gust]

If you wanna play an execute spec you play fury

[wooden lava]

Or sin

[minor gust]

Something something legion antorus rawr

[icy atlas]

I mean if Arms doesn’t get buffed, then yeah

It’d be a clear tell Blizzard would rather everyone play Fury lol

[wooden lava]

So what kind of buffs can we even get

This is looking cooked

[minor gust]

Whatever Blizz decides

[wooden lava]

This talent tree isn't really well designed

[minor gust]

My guess it's just a blanket aura buff nothing specific

We'll find out when they release notes tomorrow or Friday

[wooden lava]

Is there even a world where we do take 4th apex talent

Does lining up avatar w cs really matter that much

[minor gust]

Not unless they add avatar to it

[latent moss]

i think its within variance

u can sim it tho

[minor gust]

Or quadruple the cs cdr

[wooden lava]

Yeah I thought that too

[latent moss]

but its a worthless point

[wooden lava]

It could be insane for Colo if they do buff it

But I doubt they will

[minor gust]

Realistically they should just leave it alone for now. Not a big deal to not take it.

Then next patch rework It to increase next CS dmg amp

Instead of cdr

[wooden lava]

Will arms have an even flatter dmg profile now

It feels like it'll suffer a ton from downtime

[restive ledge]

Debating to do slayer or colossus

[latent moss]

slayer

[minor gust]

Nothing's really changed since TWW as far as flat vs burst goes for arms

[latent moss]

yeah

[wooden lava]

At least jugg made prog execute phase go hard

[minor gust]

Till you lost your stacks

[latent moss]

fury is nice though i think

[wooden lava]

Now with avatar even more frequent, I imagine it's flatter

[latent moss]

am doing its thing having cds every 2 seconds but reck feels like a cd

esp now that we run ra and am at the same time

[wooden lava]

Putting am on warrior side was good

Not sure about this iteration of Am tho

[minor gust]

Not really

That actually accomplished nothing

[wooden lava]

Nobody took it when it got reworked

[minor gust]

All they did was swap am and avatar

[wooden lava]

How so

[minor gust]

[latent moss]

idk i wish am wasnt a thing on arms

[wooden lava]

I'm off my pc

Is avatar warrior side talent now

[minor gust]

Avatar is in every spec tree

[latent moss]

no its in spec trees

[minor gust]

They took am a talent in every spec tree and swapped it with avatar Essentially.

In Blizzs defense arms originally wasn't supposed to have avatar

But forum andies complained and now we're stuck with it

[wooden lava]

What would u have in its place

Deck?

Reck*

[minor gust]

Either a brand new arms specific CD or stronger tuning on demolish/bladestorm

Naked avatar no torments is not an interesting or meaningful button

[wooden lava]

True

It's just a second CS on a longer cd

It feels like arms lacks a good steroid

[minor gust]

Yup it just exists but ppl cried omg how is arms gonna do dmg without avatar!

[wooden lava]

The same way reck impacts fury

[olive nest]

Remove avatar and buff cs to replace the missing damage

[wooden lava]

Only cs is boringb

[minor gust]

Not if they buffed cs to actually do dmg

[wooden lava]

I wish they'd give a talent that actually altered arms' pace for a bit

[minor gust]

Imagine if CS actually did dmg similar to demo/bs

You would have very strong burst

Instead what cs for years is like 1% of your dmg

[wooden lava]

Yeah, but the fantasy aspect matters

[minor gust]

Maybe less

[wooden lava]

That's why avatar feels good to press

U get big and gray

[minor gust]

Avatar is thane now

We have a hero tree called colossus

And our Colossus smash does no dmg?

Just a debuff applier

It could be so much more than what it is now

But it's held back by things like avatar

[wooden lava]

Well

It really is held back by a shit dev

I don't think avatar would be bad to have if it did something else than just percent dmg

I had hope for ToM man...

Rip

[waxen flicker]

hey guys what stats are we prioritising on this spec?

[minor gust]

Personally I think ppl need to let go of avatar. Let Blizz have the opportunity to do something new

Let fury and prot have avatar. Not every spec needs to have the same stuff

[shadow ibex]

avatars pro is that it lasts pretty long

that's really all that makes it unique among dps cds

[minor gust]

Wowhead/IV guides are updated check those out

[slate briar]

i heard we cleave in single target instead of MS? is that right?

[minor gust]

Idk where you heard that from, but wowhead guide is updated. Cleave is in ST priority but you are still pressing your other buttons

[slate briar]

right im saying as a prio, you cleave prio instead

[olive nest]

Rend(buff maintain)>Cleave>sudden death>mortal strike>dn

Fish said it early lol

[minor gust]

That ain't st

[olive nest]

Might be a cook

[minor gust]

He's saying ST

[olive nest]

Fish was talking about ST

[minor gust]

That sounds cooked af

[olive nest]

😂

Yeah maybe I miss understood

[minor gust]

Wowhead rotation is updated with cleave in prio I would just stick with that. Cleave very likely to be nerfed anyways hopefully enough slayer can ignore it in ST

But Colo is still stuck with cleave during ravager

[minor gust]

Yeah you silly goose that's AOE prio not ST

[olive nest]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

Ope

Imagine

[eternal edge]

just tried fury
No reason to stay arms for ppl who doesn't care about switching spec
you can do anything easier and quicker that's insane

sadge

[minor gust]

We'll see when we get the tuning notes tomorrow or Friday

[olive nest]

I hope it’s tomorrow I’m fiending

[eternal edge]

[minor gust]

But very likely it's another season of fury prog

[eternal edge]

made a normal pray as arms
21s to kill the prey in the end
50s life and had to use impending victory

made a hard pray as fury
16s to kill the prey in the end
no need to regen at all

236 ilvl

[proper moth]

If it’s any consolation it’s the same with Dev DH without meta😂

[eternal edge]

fair point

[robust cypress]

How do I use on use 1.5 min trinkets on arms? Do I use it with a colossus smash at 1:30 or save it for avatar/CM at 2:00

[thick kelp]

line up with cs/ava

[proper moth]

Around 100k

[icy kettle]

why all them lads say arms bad now? i sim way more on this than fury?? 😁

[minor gust]

🪤

[proper moth]

Cause the top performers are in the 130k range and mid pack is 115😂

[icy kettle]

me fury sims 61k

[plain latch]

did you equip a second weapon for the fury sim?

[robust cypress]

how long is the sim? 😄

[icy kettle]

5 min single target

[robust cypress]

link or fake

also your build seems off iirc

[icy kettle]

yall lads just dont know how to build

[dim basalt]

🪤

[icy kettle]

iono what u mean bruv

[robust cypress]

nono, link to the sim

not a screenshot

[icy kettle]

i aint clicking on ya links and get me a chinese bitcoin farmer on me pc

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-iouvels-side-eye-awks-are-you-fr-gif-24422806

[minor gust]

🪤

[slender sonnet]

[robust cypress]

someone cant read lol

Good photoshop skills though

[slender sonnet]

not even just inspect element bro

[vapid spire]

Ya got some randoms buffs on here huh

[echo shard]

I'd prefer to see you do that in a real fight and have a rank 1 parse you can link, for us all to admire.

[icy kettle]

real fight ye?

pull up tomorrow 9pm brockwell park in brixton

[echo shard]

lol, only if you use arms skills and yell Bladestorm before you spin around.

[next vessel]

whats the build then? 🪤

[echo shard]

I hate when that happens.

[vapid spire]

Some buffs that doesnt exist apparently

[chilly isle]

the bad unholy dk spec: 135k dps sims
the good arms war spec: 74k dps sims

Blizzard has done an excellent job at balancing

[robust cypress]

The build is to sim in aoe and photoshop it as a st sim

He's in aoe talents

[worldly rivet]

where are these sims coming from

[native ivy]

almost thx for all guide

[hybrid needle]

Its crazy how bad the average DK is

[balmy basalt]

Yeah I had one not use epidemic/graveyard at all and I was wondering why they had such low damage on every pack

Bro never read the spell book

[nova marsh]

Ehhhh I wouldn't even say its that nessisary

Its just udk is fucking awful when shit dies in 2 seconds when you need like 15 to deal most of your burst

And frost is....

Not much better. Also fomo rerollers always suck

[flint cedar]

Well I just cleared out the M0s for the week with the team. around 70k multi and 40k single for the majority of runs. I am hopeful next week that I come back with a vengeance 🙂

Thanks for all the helpers here to even help me reach those marks. Very grateful

[nova marsh]

Good job!

[timid elk]

Arms is pretty fun to level with, the sound fx are 👌👌

[quiet bramble]

HS sfx is mid

Worse than slam for unknown reason

@obsidian otter any dps loss from not taking MP?

[jade ember]

Looking at the hero talents before playing them I was kinda interested in HS and thought Fury's was really mid, but HS doesn't actually feel super good to hit and I like the feeling of back-to-back Ramps

[quiet bramble]

aoe and ST

im just lazy at stacking that

BL

[fleet sinew]

what kind of sustained dps are folks seeing on 5 target dummies?

[quiet bramble]

is it skill issue or i find stacking demolish is slower than it used to be

[dire hinge]

that part hasn't changed since like 2024.

but we're lower haste than before, and bonegrinder was removed

yee, if the MS crits

just your next MS

the first MS (with SS active) after a demolish usually gives 4-5 colossus might stacks though, yeah

3 if you're unlucky

i'll have to check the APL again but it's lower than before iirc

yeah in AoE we can send Demolish at 5 stacks or higher

[minor gust]

tldr whats the question

[dire hinge]

"colossus feels like we stack Might slower than before". Which is true while you're low crit and haste

it'll smooth out a bit as you gear

they moved stack generation off Bonegrinder (Ravager) and baked it directly into our MS crits, so while we're still gearing it'll feel kinda wonky for a bit

[minor gust]

yeah we lost a lot of extra cm generation with unhinged being gone so stack gen in opener is gonna be less. So that and with the dmg nerf to demo with more stacks its fine to send demo with not max stacks

[dire hinge]

yeah unhinged* rather sorry thank you

APL basically sends at 5 stacks, which is pretty easy to get in your opener at least.
Charge -> Rend -> Ravager -> Avatar/CS -> cleave x3-4 in a row -> MS -> Demo

[minor gust]

so like if you are entering a pack with 0 stacks do your opener charge rend rav ava wb cleave x4 and just send demo

you can a lot of the times squeeze an ms after x4 cleave

[dire hinge]

more haste will help a little there too

[minor gust]

if you are going into a pack with 10 stack demo you can just send demo right away before your 4 cleaves

you will still get more than enough stacks in aoe to keep wb and demo aligned. We basically just lost the abillity to get a 10 stack demo from nothing.

[quiet bramble]

so it's not always pressuring urself with 10stacks demo?

[minor gust]

no especially not after the they nerfed the amount of dmg we get from per stack and buffed baseline demo

you just wanna fit demo inside CS debuff

[quiet bramble]

aight

[obsidian lance]

I did a test with colossus and slayer, colossus gave me less mobility to deal damage, so I really needed the tank's cooperation in making more stable packs. With slayer, I had more freedom in moving around to follow the packs from their formation to where the tank stops. And that's when it stops, because let's face it, tanking in key pugs isn't very strategic. Soon the slayer did more damage because the damage was more constant and there were fewer gaps for mistakes.

[dire hinge]

yee, you can still move with heroic leap mid-demo channel, but it's not exactly fun

[minor gust]

one thing is you can try to build stacks as the tank is pulling if you need em. Sometimes if ik its gonna be a big pull and I have 0 cm stacks I will commit my SS to help build quickly while tank gathers.

yup MS + cleave if theres 3 targets

in keys it might not be worth to do because the pack will live longer and you might actually need that SS so tbd there

but for your m0s you can 100% commit your SS early to build up a demo will tank gathers

[dire hinge]

honestly with Imp SS you get basically permanent uptime anyways

[minor gust]

oh especially if you play improved

ive been doing powerful

[dire hinge]

yeah with Broad Strokes

almost said bread strokes lmao

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/bread-loaf-gif-26074249

[dire hinge]

yeah you might have a lapse of maybe a few GCDs, but it's pretty wild the uptime you get

[minor gust]

yeah colo can still get 100% uptime without imp sweep but you have to get full value out of both sweep from broad and reg

also finished my 2nd round of m0s and my warrior is allergic to weapons

also vessel rip didnt realize it was a pick up a thing trinket that shit sure is fun

wtb a WA that tells me when thing spawns plz

[obsidian lance]

but if I need to leap to fix a demolish flaw, it's kind of not worth it. I think I'll follow the kung-fu saying: a master is not someone who knows 1000 techniques, a master is someone who has trained the same technique 1000 times. Better a player with 1000 bladestorm, than using 1000 ways to try to fit the demolish

[minor gust]

oof

[dire hinge]

Well, as they say, a jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one

It's good to learn em both, and even fury (and prot). Tuning can always tip one into power over the others and it's good to have a decent understand of all of your options

[obsidian lance]

https://tenor.com/view/republica-de-fifidonia-rick-idk-fake-it-looks-fake-gif-17266845

[dire hinge]

human usually catches up with the stat passive

[obsidian lance]

I like pandaren arms animation

[glacial pebble]

so it really feels like arms does no damage. Damn i thought people were trolling

buffs tuesday cross my fingers

[minor gust]

in ST sure aoe you still pump

at least in preseason m0s

[glacial pebble]

yeah

i've noticed

but when its a boss fight

jesus

i look at my damage and get jump scared

[minor gust]

hopin for notes tomorrow if not gotta wait till Friday to see whats gonna happen for the 17th

[quiet bramble]

ye massive pump in aoe, but in ST your diiihhh shrank

[obsidian lance]

But is confirmed tuning on 17th?

[dire hinge]

anaconda malt liquor

[minor gust]

yes its confirmed

[dire hinge]

they confirmed the next set of tuning will happen on the 17th, but there's no confirmation it impacts Arms

[obsidian lance]

Arms tuning: all dmg increase 3% hahahaha

[dire hinge]

nerf cleave, leave the rest the same

ship it

[obsidian lance]

Demolish dmg reduced 50%

[minor gust]

cant wait for blizz to fuck up and only aura buff arms

[obsidian lance]

https://tenor.com/view/hyperventilate-cant-breathe-hyperventilation-sheldon-cooper-gif-3510677630357883825

[minor gust]

so we get to watch cleave take over everything

an aura buff that doesnt come with a cleave nerf is gonna lead to some funny things

[sage bison]

Arms tuning :

Overpower and dreadnaught nerfed by 33%
Rend no longer causes a bleeding affect
Slam damage increased by 20%
Slam cost increased to 40 rage
Deepwounds now causes reverse damage to enemies (healing)
Cleave damage increased by 1%

[quiet bramble]

man i hate ravager, going back to slayer

[obsidian lance]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-dancers-coffin-dancers-coffin-ghana-gif-16972319

[obsidian lance]

Arms is BS. Arms without BS, is not arms

[quiet bramble]

holy

[slow saddle]

I love ravager

If ravager was what bladestorm is

Allowed cdr

Does dmg

[glacial pebble]

pray for buffs my friend

[slow saddle]

M8 we are doa

[mortal niche]

you mean that fury ability now?

[slow saddle]

I always felt rav = arms fury = bs

From how the specs work

[mortal niche]

prot ravager is cool..as its a passive autoproc

[quiet bramble]

[slow saddle]

Being gcd locked in a spec that wants to empower spells feels bad

Its just if we had rav as slayer

We would love it

[obsidian lance]

Bs in fury is not bs, is a improved whirlwind gahaha

[mortal niche]

transplating bs over to fury will always be a crime

[slow saddle]

No

[mortal niche]

as a generic dps button

[slow saddle]

Would be better

Then rav could give rage unhinged cdr

[obsidian lance]

My dream is a tier set bonus with focus on BS

[mortal niche]

..I dont think arms is ever going to get bs again

[slow saddle]

Guys exwcute phase as slayer would be godly

[mortal niche]

those days are gone

[slow saddle]

With rav

Fr though it just required 1 guy in the tuning department

[mortal niche]

slayer hater til I die

[slow saddle]

I mean i like slayer in theory

[mortal niche]

it's just so...basic

uninspired

[slow saddle]

But lockin a spec behind 2 things destroys arms

[slow saddle]

Again not the issue

Arms should be thane and col

Empowered lightning mortal strikes

[mortal niche]

I thought thane was going to be arms..but here we are

[slow saddle]

Big claps

[mortal niche]

having to play fury for it

[slow saddle]

And after playing it alot it would work better as arms tbh

[quiet bramble]

wait, you might be cooking sth

[obsidian lance]

Claps instead cleave, hmmm maybe works

[slow saddle]

Mainly coz it enhances something not build somethin brand new

[mortal niche]

..lost clap

[slow saddle]

Or locks us

In avatar cleave turns into clap

[quiet bramble]

maximum sfx

[slow saddle]

Tjat way cds would be felt

[dire hinge]

execute just straight up kills the target, next question

[slow saddle]

Nah but when slayer empower exe

[mortal niche]

execute does something

[slow saddle]

It means exe cant be as good

[obsidian lance]

Each BS tick, make bolts on enemy

[quiet bramble]

mf i choke

[dire hinge]

hehehe like we're generating static

[slow saddle]

Stormboltin 3 targets

I mean tuning could 100% sace us

[obsidian lance]

https://tenor.com/view/we-can-make-a-deal-arjun-batra-resident-evil-we-can-agree-to-terms-we-can-come-up-with-a-deal-gif-26399352

[mortal niche]

I'm loaded for legion classic, just wait you'l see the power again

[quiet bramble]

i'm always in the coping room

[slow saddle]

Imagine 17th 10% ms 25% exexute buff

• aura

[sage bison]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[slow saddle]

I want a heavier execute profile

Like atm the execute spec in the game. Does like 10%? Morr dmg in execute

Thats dumbass

[sage bison]

we aint getting a gameplay rework level tuning, blizz got more important shit to worry about, like how to buff mage without it being better than UHDK

[quiet bramble]

blizz is out of idea for warrior, they gonna buff mage

[dire hinge]

yee and they usually do that in .5 patches

[mortal niche]

woah there, blizzard doesnt design specs to specialise anymore, wouldnt hope for too long

[slow saddle]

Man atm frost mage almost is

[slow saddle]

Exept dks

Mages

[hushed pine]

I doubt they'd rework Arms warrior at any point

[slow saddle]

Locks

I dont think we need rework at all

Its more they turned all the wrong knobs

When tuning just b4 prepatch

[mortal niche]

stuck between 3 (I guess 2 now without bleeds) visions

[quiet bramble]

execute color should be red

[obsidian lance]

[hushed pine]

Maybe it's just me but I've always hated what they did to CSmash and Rend

[mortal niche]

now or 5years ago?

[slow saddle]

We expected a rage buff b4 prepatch. Instead got nerfed 2 below tank dmg

[obsidian lance]

Tuning arms:

Cleave color now is a green, like a skill photo

[dire hinge]

true, rend used to checks notes also just be a bleed

[hushed pine]

When they turned CSmash into a cooldown rather than a rotational ability

[slow saddle]

It was always a cd

Wdym?

[hushed pine]

On a 20 sec with autos resetting it every 2 swings or so?

[quiet bramble]

rotational?

[slow saddle]

M8 rosy glasses

[hushed pine]

Taste for blood

[obsidian lance]

If arms was a ret pally, we gain a rework every xpac

[slow saddle]

It had longer cd and wasnt that often

[mortal niche]

ehh not far off from giving mop a go last year

[slow saddle]

But yes a cs that
1 gave us more burst. Would fuck
2. A reset would fit current chaos

[hushed pine]

It felt more impactful, is my point

[slow saddle]

Yes but correct me if im wrong

We did like 80% more dmg in cs window

It was bound into mastery r ?

[mortal niche]

when

[slow saddle]

When it had rando resets

[obsidian lance]

We play with arms even though we are nerfed and we are still happy, paladin players get 1 nerf and are already crying for the entire season

[mortal niche]

yeah a secondary mastery procced more often, more sudden deaths, more resets

[slow saddle]

Which means an overall more bursty profile ALWAYS feels better

[hushed pine]

100% damage (Cata, MoP, WoD)

[slow saddle]

Like if cs did 10 times the dmg atm and made dmg spike

[hushed pine]

It was tied to mastery in Legion

[slow saddle]

They could delete avatar

[mortal niche]

atp idk what the mastery even is I assume it changed right

[slow saddle]

Now ita just flat dmg %

Basicly versa

Thats fine tbh

Rather spec is fun, than being tied down.by some half arsed attempt at a fun mastery

[mortal niche]

it is kinda funny that not all 4 apex talents are taken

[slow saddle]

I mean it says it all

[hushed pine]

If 4th apex was better then maybe

[mortal niche]

"capstone"

[slow saddle]

They 2 x the hs rate decrease a tslent from 5 to 2 sec

[mortal niche]

[slow saddle]

And we didnt take it at 5 sec

[obsidian lance]

Capstone, because u dmg will be caped haha

[slow saddle]

A new feature should be op

Forced pick

[hushed pine]

You will have misaligned cds and you will love it.

[slow saddle]

Exactly

Who has tried arms st blizzars and said

Man i love when i get cdr lucky

[mortal niche]

woah there, thinking too far ahead

[slow saddle]

Then i gotta wair

[mortal niche]

we dont do that here

[slow saddle]

For ava//cs//demo to align

So im wasting said cdr

[quiet bramble]

i believe blizz devs just play with single button rotation and called it a nerf

[slow saddle]

Problem is as usual 1 cdr = fun and good, 3 different cdrs = a mess

Specs that get cdr removed usually plays better

Static cds are always better

Look fdk when ice cap was removed

[obsidian lance]

Bliz devs play with arms? I think not

[slow saddle]

Problem also is. Cdr based in different things

Cdr based on rage cdr based on crit cdr based on hs procs

To make this align ... good luck🤣🤣

Who thought this would work

U get 2 much crit demo 2 fast. 2 little 2 slow.

[obsidian lance]

Arms is too many chance procs, we need reduce this procs and make more stable procs

[slow saddle]

No

Procs is god tier

Thats a very good and defined playstyle

Different from other classes

Cdr is the culprit

[obsidian lance]

But not a chance procs. We need more 100% procs when we use a skills

[slow saddle]

Nah

[sage bison]

[slow saddle]

I will say rage + new tactician is a mess🤣

Old tac = execute always resets op so not so scary now random 30%

Bad choice for stable rotation resets

[hushed pine]

Rage gen fucking blows

[obsidian lance]

We need more reset procs. Maybe CS get 2 stacks SD procs

And with slayer we know the BS increased by this SD procs

[hushed pine]

I'd only agree if Rend was tied to Overpower and Taste for Blood again

[obsidian lance]

I would like talents that give small percentages of fixed status to take rework, it's not cool to spend points on something obvious, you have to spend 1 level to get something, 1% critical, it seems lazy to me

[slow saddle]

Ideally class three geta dk treatment

Less dmg nodes

[slow saddle]

We need another 20%

Also op needs to give rage at sub 35%

[hushed pine]

I'm okay with something like Impale

That thing has always been there

Not okay with something like "you get 3% leech"

Like wow! This is worthless!

[hushed pine]

This tbh

[slow saddle]

Class tree not spec tree

[obsidian lance]

The final tree nodes, must be the best talents, not a " tactican get more 5% chance to activate"

[slow saddle]

Spec tree ok 2 have some dmg nodes

It was nerfed from 10%

Wasnt good at 10€

[obsidian lance]

Bliz... U dont need pay me, let me make a rework on arms pls

[minor gust]

this is usually the quality of talents arms gets.

[hushed pine]

Gee, I'm updating my bingo card

[slow saddle]

Not even the illusion of choice💔

[hushed pine]

Gonna add Tactician nerf to it

[obsidian lance]

Share with us

[hushed pine]

[hushed pine]

I shared it in #pvp a few days ago

[slow saddle]

Y also nerf guardian wrh

Does more st than dps specs

I think 100% worst patch tuning wise ice played is this

I can understand aoe being a mess

But st being this messy is insanity

10-20% gap ok understandablr

But 100% not bug based gaps

Insane

[obsidian lance]

My bingo card:

nerf rend in 20%
nerf demolish 20%
all dmg increase 3%
Nerf master of warfare bonus dmg in 50%
Nerf tactician chance 25% (was 30%)
Nerf cleave 5%
Nerf MS n HS 5%

Developer notes: arms is too stronger, so we need nerf then to adapt on new meta

[slow saddle]

On another note, i hate all ppl that abused kp bug

No bans or rollbacks

[atomic mountain]

what bug?

[slow saddle]

U could buy sev skill books

If u didnt close windoe

So some ppl got 40/50 extra kp per char

Low estimate

[atomic mountain]

Oo

wow.....

[slow saddle]

Ikr

[obsidian lance]

But we cant use more than one per week

[slow saddle]

1 inxtotal

Its 10 points prr book bought from rep vendor

[atomic mountain]

i hope it is fixed now

[slow saddle]

It is

Economy is dead tgough

Some ppl took over markets

Cant compete

[atomic mountain]

economy in wow always was dead when you dont haf a ton of gold to flip shit

[slow saddle]

M8

I made 12m crafting last s1

Not flippin

[obsidian lance]

Bliz bans = less peoples pay the game. Of course bliz dont ban this guys

[slow saddle]

Rollbacks

[atomic mountain]

prot warry and boosting. 1 weekend and i have gold for the entire addon

[slow saddle]

?

Not the point

The point is i invested time and effort into part of game i enjoy. To get rekted by cheaters

Coz i didnt exploit it

[atomic mountain]

i understand your point. i payed 1st day like 400k for my prof gear just to realize that the fucking skygolem got destroyed a

[slow saddle]

Ikr

Also boostin is kindda grey area stepped out, aftrr blizzy shutdown communities

[hushed pine]

Made 350k during early access

Easily best expansion launch for me

[slow saddle]

Spend 600k

🤣

I mean, had i had the time for dual farmin proffs

Cap would be made

[tepid swan]

I keep reading a lot of doom and gloom on arms, I'm a relatively new player and I'm interested in the slow harder hitting fantasy of arms, but after reading lots of posts on reddit about arms I'm a bit hesitant to put in the time level and learn.
Are the reddit posts exaggerating the doom of arms?
If they are not, do you think its still worth it to play arms regardless?

[wind hatch]

Arms is very weak right now but they're doing tuning on the 17th and arms is very likely to recieve buffs

[atomic mountain]

right now poopookaka but we all are in love with arms. give it a try and hope for good buffs 😄

[slow saddle]

Also arms isnt slow

Obvious ai written

Every melee spec is gcd locked ideally

[atomic mountain]

and you can play tank too lol XD

[slow saddle]

Or u doin it wrong

[tepid swan]

If the buffs bring it up to level with other specs, what do you think of the spec then?

[tepid swan]

lol ok

[slow saddle]

I mean brother slow specs are casters

[tepid swan]

I mean, compared to specs like outlaw rogue, its lower apm right?

[slow saddle]

Capped gcd is capped

[tepid swan]

Even compared to fury warrior its lower no?

[sage bison]

thats not how the game works lmao

[tepid swan]

just because its capped gcd doesnt mean the apm is the same as every other class

[slow saddle]

Ofc not but its close af

[sage bison]

its not

[slow saddle]

Ok go check🤣

[tepid swan]

Not from what iv seen online

[sage bison]

apm varies massively, alot less after squishes/new expacs when haste is chopped

[atomic mountain]

@tepid swan you dont have a ton of ogcd´s if that is the question

[tepid swan]

By slower harder hitter I meant more than just hitting lots of small hits like outlaw (or from what iv read online, fury), its more chunkier hits

[obsidian lance]

Or nerfs haha

[slow saddle]

So thing is

Arms has bad burst windws

So flat dmg profile

U wont c bigger numbees

More than outlaw yes

[obsidian lance]

Be careful, arms is a path of no return, with a lot of pain and little bonus

[tepid swan]

I quite like flatter dmg profiles. I tried out ret paladin and I just felt so weak without wings, same when I tried sub rogue, outside of shadow dance its like 0 damage

[atomic mountain]

outlaw always feel like i HAVE to adhd, arms is more chill

[slow saddle]

Go fury then

Super flat

Cursed profile

[tepid swan]

Yeah im after a more chill spec. Outlaw was a bit too frantic for me

[slow saddle]

Flat is by definition worst dmg profile u can have

By far

[obsidian lance]

We've been complaining about a decent buff on arms since Dragonflight and nothing, ret pally opened his mouth once and is still getting a buff to this day haha. main pally complains a lot

[atomic mountain]

i like flat dmg. better than rng based dmg

[tepid swan]

rip haha

[tepid swan]

Yeah doing everything inside cooldowns and nothing outside it feels pretty bad when doing things in the open world

[atomic mountain]

tbh you cant compare anything right now cause all fights dont last to long. i play prot and arms + aug and deva evoker and the only spec where i am happy about is my prot.

[tepid swan]

Regardless of numbers atm, do you enjoy playing arms?

[atomic mountain]

i am a autistic arms enjoyer XD so yes. i kinda needed like 2 weeks to get into love with it

but right now my group has no tank so i have to do prot 🙁

[atomic mountain]

ret pala is the 2h pink pussy version of arms. sure they cry

[obsidian lance]

Hahahahaha

Best definition of pally

[obsidian lance]

A lot, Charge, rend, CS + Avatar and BS the best opener i have seen

Or 4 cleaves and BS too

[torpid wave]

paladin players try not to touch children challenge level: impossible

[fresh spire]

[lime ruin]

Is there a good mythic+ colossus build that focuses more on ST damage and take advantage of fatality without being troll

[fresh spire]

Nope

St on colossus is just trolling in general. Fatal in keys isn't worth dropping tons of aoe for

[safe jay]

apart from Mugzee was there ever a really good case for fatality :(?

[fresh spire]

Given most the aoe talents aid it in St

[safe jay]

it was old fatality then to be fair

[fresh spire]

I mean fatal works differently to before. 5 max stacks and pops with execute so generally it's much better than it was.

[safe jay]

yeah of cause

but on mugzee it was nice

do we talent into the current iteration with some build? Slayer? i dont currently have all the build in my head

[vapid pine]

Wowhead has it on slayer builds

It's just very different now, used to be an execute niche, now it's just another thing that makes us want to press mortal strike

[safe jay]

interesting. I didnt looked at Arms for now. Waiting and hoping for 17.

i dont want another fury tier

[fresh spire]

Fatal will be used in raid where aoe isn't needed

Likely first point we drop for cleave/colateral when needed

[safe jay]

[vapid pine]

Kinda insane that the bottom of the tree looks like this

What's the point of "capstones" if we take everything but one button lol

And when they're weaker talents than random shit further up

[fresh spire]

Would have taken master tact more if they didn't nerf it too

[safe jay]

From what I know from Warbreaker, Fishy is a very clever meathead. What exactly is the reason we only skill 3/4 Apex? Desynchronization? Once again?

[safe jay]

Illusion of choice once again

[latent moss]

desync ye

[safe jay]

Wasnt this the Main Goal to remove for Midnight

[fresh spire]

Desync is the biggest issue as we end up sitting on avatar waiting for cooldowns. General flow for bladestorm lines up better with am than am+apex. Bladestorms not landing inside of Cs windows leads to a weaker tier bonus

[latent moss]

removing unnecessary cds was the main goal yet they removed nothing except troar

ravager is so pointless

u press it as colossus to buff ur cleave

[safe jay]

Thanks! Do you think they will fix this issue on 17? Or are WE 3/4 Gamer until next Patch

Cant be intended lol

[latent moss]

if avatar was on it too it would be good

perhaps too good but meh

[fresh spire]

4/4 is usable on aoe. But you tank so much st dps it's not worth it.

[latent moss]

just aura buff around

[fresh spire]

All builds are around 3/4 as they flow well and try to keep as much of the kit it can

[lavish siren]

Arms escaping the great prune is a disaster

Too many desynced cds

[latent moss]

rotationally its good

but avatar and ravager are pointless

avatar is still a grow in size become grey and do a bit more damage

fury thane avatar is a lot more interesting

[safe jay]

yeah avatar is pretty uninspiring idd

Reduce execute and MS cost and CDR by x%

[hoary palm]

How does ravager buff your cleave?

[hoary palm]

Oh good to know ty

[safe jay]

colossus in terms of fun improved for sure. Atleast in MT. ST is still dogwater

the 3 free cleaves after Warbreaker is indeed fun

[fresh spire]

4*

[marble valve]

dragon roar is gone but rend is here, so confusing

[deep robin]

is it just me or is arms pretty clunky. it feels like there is no real satisfying loop in the rotation with how heroic strike, overpower and mortal strike proc

rend also feels shit to use and colossus smash + demolish feel like they should be a single button

[agile jewel]

I really liked it and I used to feel like none of the games specs fit me

It’s just what I expect from a warrior type class

[dim basalt]

You either love Arms or you hate Arms

The only thing that makes it unique from other specs is the clunkiness

But when tuned well exe phase does flow well and feel satisfying

[deep robin]

i like the fantasy of being more tactical and slow with a single 2h weapon a lot more than fury, and i liked the gameplay too when i played it a few expansions ago, but what it is right now just doesn't click for me

[gritty karma]

Demolish should be like on templar retri

Wake of ashes > hammer

CS > demolish

[white stratus]

^

[dim basalt]

Youre not the first to say this

[rough phoenix]

I would prefer if Arms were like that too.

I want slow, big hitter

Probably not a popular opinion, but I honestly think an empower attack would be kind of cool. Don't know how it would work though

[sacred zodiac]

dont think itd work on non casters

you either root yourself as a melee or force weird keybinds by moving and hold casting

[vapid pine]

Could default to press-press instead of press-and-hold for melee in theory

[sacred zodiac]

ya maybe

[austere solar]

Hi everyone. How are we doing today ?

Is arms warrior back ?

[sacred zodiac]

balance tuning is not announced

until then arms is hot garbage

[austere solar]

Ok, see you tomorrow then. Going to prey for a miracle.

[sacred zodiac]

dont need a miracle i dont think theyve recently left specs as lower st than tank specs

[waxen flicker]

the only reason i play this class is because of CS>demolish combo, everything else feels so awkward

and i agree, when u open up your combo, casting rend feels like you got punched in the gut mid combo