arms

[latent moss]

can they give us back

[quaint otter]

[latent moss]

cs extension on bladestorm please

arms should have 2 cds

[slow saddle]

Get 4p

[latent moss]

cs + demo/bs

[slow saddle]

Its not that

[latent moss]

fuck avatar

tank cd

its a tank offensive cd

[quaint otter]

sounds like it

[slow saddle]

Like remove am

Cs 45 sec avatar1.5m

Make cds better

[latent moss]

30/1 min

imo

[slow saddle]

Or let it be bladestorm

[quaint otter]

45 and 90 still dog

in m+ at least

[slow saddle]

No 45 // 90 is fine

[quaint otter]

need perfect pulls for it

[slow saddle]

Nh

Nah.

Not at all

[latent moss]

why cant they make the first node of each hero talent like colossus

first node of slayer is bs

[quaint otter]

thats what u have on destro and ret atm doesnt feel very good

[latent moss]

first node of thane is ava

[slow saddle]

Feels fine on ret?

[latent moss]

thats what u have on warriors now

[naive crescent]

any chacne slayer will be viable for m+?

[latent moss]

yes

[slow saddle]

Yes

[shadow ibex]

Hope not

[latent moss]

but viable is very vague

yes u can do keys but dont expect to compete

with actual specs

unless they are turbo dogshit at the game

[naive crescent]

by viable I mean within ~15% of total colossus dmg

[latent moss]

for sure

better st

worse aoe if played perfectly

colo requries 90x the effort

[quaint otter]

better st by 5% worse overall by 20%

[naive crescent]

sweet. thats fine. i hate playing arms when its aoe is good and you wet noodle the boss

[latent moss]

dw ur st is still awful

but its better than colo

[naive crescent]

haha

[quaint otter]

Yes

[naive crescent]

well you cant have everything ... or anything really...

[quaint otter]

Arms destiny

[latent moss]

arms life

[shadow ibex]

Fury slayer is cool tho but arms slayer can smd

[latent moss]

idk im having a lot of fun with thane

[shadow ibex]

Fury in s3 was probably best fury has been ever?

[latent moss]

prio is mega confusing but its fun asf

[shadow ibex]

Since perma reck in df

[latent moss]

ye

pre aug df s2 was the best warrior has ever been in m+ from my experience but i started playing in sl prepatch so

ik first season of m+ in legion arms owned

[latent moss]

u were only losing to spriest but everyone was losing to spriest

u had very good defensives very good st and aoe

and reflects were giga

[quaint otter]

agreed. Df s3 was fun too with annihilator build

[latent moss]

idk i hated anni in m+

cause of no am

[shadow ibex]

Df s2 what

[latent moss]

in s3

[quaint otter]

but it was huge burst

[latent moss]

u just never had cds

ye and then next pack u have nothing but odyns fury that does 3 damage

and u did 0 dmg outside of odyns fury bb

[shadow ibex]

Fury in s2 was the doom slayer

And it really felt it

[latent moss]

arms owned as well

with sks but people didnt play it as much

personally i did better as sks arms in brackenhide

nuking totems

[shadow ibex]

Thane is probably coolest hero spec imo. The most aesthetic I guess

[latent moss]

thane owns rn

ava is so much dopamine

[quaint otter]

only in vortex pinnacle maybe xd

[latent moss]

clappa

[shadow ibex]

I dont like playing it a ton but its probably second best to play behind furynslayer

[latent moss]

idk i liked it everywhere honestly

could always find sks value

[slow saddle]

Then u did 2 low keys

[shadow ibex]

Hated the extra bind

[slow saddle]

Or played poorly

[shadow ibex]

[latent moss]

i had that bind since sl

still have it

[slow saddle]

Am is the bane of any good cds

[latent moss]

in case it comes back

[quaint otter]

I dont like sks cuz its just a dull button

Like we have 4 of them already

[latent moss]

even when u did have cds u would just get omega gapped by any real spec in aoe

prio/st were good

and defensives were unreal

cause u stacked vers mastery

[shadow ibex]

Sks was cool when it was hasted

Hasted cd

[quaint otter]

Ye

[slow saddle]

M8 we did good burdt prio dmg

[latent moss]

my only complaint with thane

[quaint otter]

And then 21 sec cd with no hasted cd

Like really why 21

[latent moss]

is having 6 buttons

lit up and all of them are high prio

its so confusing

[slow saddle]

Caring bout mass aoe is dumbass

[shadow ibex]

Yea warrior clunky

[quaint otter]

Should just play destro or devoker for that

🤷‍♀️

[slow saddle]

Sks was fantastic

[shadow ibex]

One of our specs is literally only good in mass aoe

[slow saddle]

Any1 not thinkin that did not do keys

[quaint otter]

yet some specs are better and not suck giga in st

[shadow ibex]

Our spec didnt titanforge

[slow saddle]

Sks was great

[shadow ibex]

Gotta roll the dice again

[slow saddle]

Our mastery was bad

Sks nukin prio targets ah it was lovely

[shadow ibex]

I rather just have another point in bb

[latent moss]

didnt crit play arms

in 30+s

and they had like full aoe comp

arms ret outlaw

all 3 do some prio but none of them were cracked at prio

[quaint otter]

outlaw very aoe damn right

[quaint otter]

df s3? Arms had big prio iirc

[tropic crest]

My ST ARMS raid build sims the same of my ST PROTECTION raid build

[slow saddle]

Sks was kindda big prio

[latent moss]

s3 was dreadnaught spam

[quaint otter]

The build was

[slow saddle]

Seems about right

[quaint otter]

Legs arms

[latent moss]

u cast whatever resets ur op

and u press op

[quaint otter]

Yes

[slow saddle]

S3 had leggo

Carried arms

[quaint otter]

Leggo and good tier set

[slow saddle]

Yup

[quaint otter]

any plate user got 7+% sim from the fyralat alone

[latent moss]

oh no

u swapped

[quaint otter]

except udk maybe

[latent moss]

u played arms then port out go fury

[slow saddle]

Yup

[latent moss]

for last boss

so fucking cringe

[slow saddle]

Sev did that

Fury was stronk as well though

[shadow ibex]

40 rage tclap

I forgot

[latent moss]

hello im blizzard and we reworked most specs to just do st and aoe at the same time

but not arms

[quaint otter]

same for rogue play outlaw go swap sub for last

[shadow ibex]

Lmao we really just had infinite rage

What a dumb resource

40 rage 0 dmg aoe button just to force a reset

[latent moss]

still could starve in exe

xaxxaxaax

dumb ass design

40 rage gcd that the design wants u to spam

[shadow ibex]

At least we had tom

[latent moss]

ngl

in s3 tom kinda owned

on st

0 optimizations around it

[shadow ibex]

We could finally get overlap consistently

[quaint otter]

s2 amtom from ip

[latent moss]

u just wait for exe phase and get perma massive overlaps ye

[quaint otter]

[shadow ibex]

There was some optimization

[latent moss]

ww was within variance

[shadow ibex]

We stopped using ms or whatever

[latent moss]

ip was removed from am

[shadow ibex]

And just spammed exe cuz the refund

And cost more for am and tom

[latent moss]

just ms on cd outside of exe

in exe spam exe until overlap then ms

[shadow ibex]

I think in s3 exe was exe spam unless like every buff x2 OP x2 EP

[latent moss]

ye

but u could just send ms in overlap for no loss

without having to think about how many buffs u had

[shadow ibex]

We used to do things

[latent moss]

i wish they bring back that design with some sort of exe chain mechanic

ngl when i saw slayer i thought slayer would be

exe spam madness

[shadow ibex]

Now I just spin for 30% of a fight

[latent moss]

bro i have 10% haste

rn

its so cringe

bs is like 93223 years long

[shadow ibex]

At least ravager will be long as sin

[latent moss]

when did they nerf

[shadow ibex]

Plenty of time for mass exe value in st

[latent moss]

overpower damage on colossal might

it used to be 50%

5% per stack

[shadow ibex]

Mid beta

[latent moss]

axaxaxxa

[shadow ibex]

When they upped the dmg on demo directly iirc

[latent moss]

and then they nerfed demo again

and dn

and ur only damage source is cleave

👍

[shadow ibex]

Mass exe value let's gooooo

[latent moss]

Strikes all enemies in front of you for (287.424% of Attack Power) Physical damage

287%

ahhahahahhaah

[shadow ibex]

Idk i have little faith colossus will turn around. I can't see them giving it good st considering they seem ok with it being m+ spec only all of df

[strong mural]

hi all, I'm looking for a dps spec for M+ that has a very low APM. It's been a while since I played Arms and I was wondering where it might fit on that spectrum. ty in advance

[latent moss]

idk design jsut mega sucks

[shadow ibex]

Acceptable st but I doubt ill get to play colossus in raid

[latent moss]

i dont wanna play it at all

[proper moth]

What fury? Lmao

[shadow ibex]

Thats where im at with slayer. Slamming it in raid after slamming it all expac. Give me some variety ffs

[proper moth]

Bingo heroic strike and slam are boring asf

[quaint otter]

sub/ww fits ig

or dragon

[shadow ibex]

And the only other flavor colossus isnt even functioning if being objective. Using cleave st is just emberassing tuning

[proper moth]

CDs don’t line up right either

Atleast with final apex
Like why

[shadow ibex]

Gotta have multiple abilities with different sources and numbers of cdr

Cs needs two, bs needs one only in a hero tree

And why not give avatar some

Tack on cs extension tier bonus so we can have the flattest ass i mean damage profile

[proper moth]

I don’t get how they fumble this spec every other patch

[shadow ibex]

Pancake ass arms dmg profile

[proper moth]

There’s about 20 years of feedback Lmaooo

[weak rain]

Buff DW by 200%, execute and MS and OP and HS by 30%

ez fix

[shadow ibex]

Just undo the unnecessary nerfs

[weak rain]

won't be enough

[shadow ibex]

Ig without those nerfs arms would be super good in notmal mode 5mans

The horror

[proper moth]

Finger crossed for a rework at some point. Hopefully a numbers bump on the 17th floats us till then

[strong mural]

ty

[shadow ibex]

Colossus will get st so it isnt beat by tanks

But thats all im holding my breath for

[raven stone]

hello guy, tomorrow patch do we have class balancing or it's on the 17/03 only ?

[shadow ibex]

Idt they can address the cleave problem fast enough

[proper moth]

Actual cancer🥴

[proper moth]

Correct

[shadow ibex]

So aoe gonna be the same

[slate briar]

Hey fellas. Prot warrior main who just did arms for the first time in a while….

Why does it feel like I’m wielding a dry pool noodle in single target and making it slightly damp in AoE? Is this how everyone feels or am I just doing it wrong

[fast wedge]

i pump in aoe and alt tab during ST

[raven stone]

correct for what proposition ? xD

[proper moth]

3-17 will be the major changes with smaller changes in the weeks to come after most likely

[tropic crest]

ST Arms actually sims like protection warrior ST

[thick kelp]

Arms does lless dps in ST than prot

[raven stone]

thanks man 😉

[proper moth]

😘

[plucky fern]

3-17 will be 3% arms aurabuff not major changes

[proper moth]

Maybe not for us for definitely for warlocks and devourer DH

[plucky fern]

long awaited mage buff as well

those guys are struggling for sure

[proper moth]

💯

[tropic crest]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/MID1_Raid.html
waitin for warrior dps specs to be posted

[proper moth]

Bro why is DK that good

[shadow ibex]

Always 1 is

Frost ir uh gonna be busted

[tropic crest]

@smoky kayak ❤️

[proper moth]

Curious to see what the new spec sits at

[shadow ibex]

Lmao

[proper moth]

Ramp up on it is janky asf

[shadow ibex]

My cynicism says good

Cuz it sells tickets

[dim basalt]

I believe its good in dungeons, no idea about raid though

[shadow ibex]

They have every incentive to make a new class or spec good

[plucky fern]

nah they actually dont care

dev evoker was trash for as long as it exists

[shadow ibex]

Its has good tiers

And not even touching on Aug when it got introduced

Dev was good in undermine then got like 8% for no reason

Mid patch

[thick kelp]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTxbz0VzPWK0j2_1mNqcOGX0Lgrnha3kM6wvCgossscI08I_Hk-v1_D2crjD7h6Wo-FCrnJUn4W2CWU/pubhtml?gid=1484407191&single=true

[proper moth]

Dev is fun imo it’s the aesthetic I don’t like

New DH spec is only good in instances content if your tank chain pulls lol

[plucky fern]

i've heard bear sims is something like 100k+
so a tank is doing more single target dps than everyone except for 6 specs?

[proper moth]

Havoc feels great just undertuned

Bear gonna get the nerf bat shit is too strong

[plucky fern]

havoc is about to have the same fate as dev

new cool spec introduced that is better in everything

why play havoc then

[vapid pine]

I mean you played Dev in both the last two raids

[plucky fern]

my bad there didnt even think of raid, im mostly playing m+
but still if i remember correctly, even in raid after aug was released it was just better than dev in everything for a long time, eventually they tuned dev back yeah but never S tier spec

[quaint otter]

Wha

[vapid pine]

Dev was played in world first kills on last two raids, it's had clear strengths in raid. Only problem was when Aug was literally 20% better than the second best DPS, but that was not really due to it being "new and shiny" and more due to Blizzard having no clue how to balance or design a support spec.

M+ is kinda fixed now too with Aug losing most of its unique utility that it had over Dev. Just took some time for them to realize support = DPS spec

My point is more that I don't think Devourer will fall in the same bucket for all eternity, although they probably want it to be played this patch

[plucky fern]

is it fixed tho
its been a common rumor that this season is going to be back to 'aug or go home' meta
nobody is ever talking or trying dev tho even tho numbers are fine

[vapid pine]

That's a number's thing, not a design thing

Same with Unholy vs Frost or Fury vs Arms 💀

[plucky fern]

aug still has its utility, nerfed to the ground but if it does at least the SAME dps as dev, dev is never going to be played

[proper moth]

Yeah that’s fair
I don’t think havoc will get overshadowed by Devourer though.
Play the new spec and report back lmao

[vapid pine]

Name a utility Aug has that Dev does not? It's just blistering scales which have been nerfed into oblivion

[fossil lynx]

We are still missing the big patch at season start. Talking about meta seriously before that is a waste of time

[proper moth]

Yeah obviously arms warrior gonna be #1

[plucky fern]

well scales are still buffing a tank even a little tho, and dont they still have %hp buff or it got removed?

and it still gives vers buffs

which is survivability

[vapid pine]

2% max health

But the difference is way smaller now than the difference between different specs

And Devastation has a lot better damage profile generally

[plucky fern]

i dont deny that all of this is nerfed to the ground
but its still there, a minor buff is better than no buff, and dev doesnt buff anything

[dim basalt]

2% hp is whatever, tanks dont really care about that

[plucky fern]

2% hp everyone not just tanks

[dim basalt]

mh

[vapid pine]

I mean sure but the difference is smaller than the difference between frost and arcane mage or whatever

And you would still play Arcane because it does 30% more damage 4fun

Arms and Fury in the past too, not sure what the survivability difference is this season with the new talents

[plucky fern]

i mean sure if they tune it that way that dev does a lot more damage than everyone, it will be played
but my point was that if aug is good, and dev is doing same damage as aug, nobody will even play dev
which is looking like the situation today (before the tuning happens on 17)

[vapid pine]

The situation today is that Aug is doing a lot more damage than Dev

[plucky fern]

i didnt say that

i said they are about equal maybe aug a bit more

[vapid pine]

I'm saying that, that's why people are talking about playing Aug

[plucky fern]

well, maybe

[shadow ibex]

Aug the worst thing to happen to this game

[plucky fern]

yeah im just having aug flashbacks so everytime i hear that aug is good im instantly pissed off

i never wanna see this spec again

[vapid pine]

Biggest issue with Aug is that it's so fuckign boring to play, so when it's meta that's just -1 slot for things I can have fun with

[shadow ibex]

Fuck them for making a support spec

[plucky fern]

not even just -1 slot
if this garbage is meta, setups revolve around it
so it not only takes one spot, it also restricts two other spots

you kinda want classes that align with eons cooldown

[vapid pine]

At least it's not just copy-paste 2 min CDs this time, looks like Scalecommander season so it'll be like 35-55 sec or whatever

[shadow ibex]

Wonder who is gonna get the legendary this time

[spiral coral]

just wait till Arms becomes the second support spec 🔮

[obsidian otter]

first MO of the week second weapon massive!

[gloomy mirage]

fury and arms sim similarly in 5t and 8t right?

ig looking at this

[thick kelp]

yh

[gloomy mirage]

how do they buff arms without giga buffing its aoe

[thick kelp]

ms and exe

[gloomy mirage]

ok thank you

i liked when arms st was good

[slender sonnet]

Me too

Unfortunately never again

[olive nest]

I’m okay with being a ST king ngl

[marble valve]

no more rage issue during execute phase plz

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[vast helm]

has the 0.1% title for Mythic+ dungeons been awarded?

[olive nest]

For tww s3 yes

[obsidian otter]

hero track ring for quest this week fyi

you gotta do 3 bgs or 3 training grounds

[obsidian otter]

from TWW?

[thick kelp]

does the pvp training grounds quest give a real hero track neck or just pvp item

[gloomy mirage]

4 week quest chain https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-timegated-4-week-pvp-quest-chain-to-earn-hero-track-gear-380708

it'll reward the ring at the end of the chain

but this week is the pvp trink

[upper sparrow]

Why do we use cleave in single target?

[obsidian otter]

under 35% it does more then slam if your using mass execution talent as slayer and colossus during ravager and under 35% it does more

[vast helm]

ya TWW S3

[obsidian otter]

should got them at end of the season during pre patch

[upper sparrow]

Thanks for the reply. So under 35% you weave it in along with mortal strike and execute? Or does it replace one of those?

[obsidian otter]

pretty much replaces slam in priority

[upper sparrow]

Okay that makes sense, appreciate it.

[obsidian otter]

yup np!

[obsidian otter]

bnet has que 🙁

[bronze gale]

For multi target, Cleave would be priority over Overpower even with Sweeping Strikes up, right?

[gritty karma]

Sweeping strikes have 100% uptime now

And cleave > rest

On aoe

[obsidian otter]

yes because cleave also procs Slam/HS procs that cleave during sweeping. it procs slayer strike it procs reap So your getting 1 cleave press gives 2x slams 1x slayer strike 1x reap. Ofcource the procs are RNG but your still doing more then OP even without the procs and just the slam procs and cleave

[gritty karma]

Cleave on 3+ targets cast slam which benefit also from sweeping strike

[slow saddle]

Also fuck cleave

[obsidian otter]

I hate it lol

[slow saddle]

Nerf it buff dreadnaught

I want my 2 lines to fuck!!

[obsidian otter]

cleave is prolly the worst multi target skill in the game. its so unforgiving compared to other abilities

[slow saddle]

I say again arms is the most fun when op is tuned 2 high🤣🤣

Like rotation is better

[obsidian otter]

I liked using TE over crushing in beta

[gritty karma]

In df S2 there was funny build without cleave

[slow saddle]

Yup

[gritty karma]

Just bladestorm and overpower

[slow saddle]

I mean idm cleave being taken

At all

Its just all our dmg

[obsidian otter]

thats because BS did damage compared to what we have now

[slow saddle]

If cleave could just, be decent

Nothin more

More dmg from rend

Id rather as well

[obsidian otter]

we have to much rng damage as well cleave and MS talent that makes it apply deep wounds on crit when crit even at max ilv 288 30% isnt alot.. plus add in all the reap proc chance that got nerfed to 15% slayer strike procs

were already under performing adding the rng just sucks

[gritty karma]

I would prefer to play Slayer on m+

[slow saddle]

Idm crit rng

[gritty karma]

But this wont happen

Sadly

[slow saddle]

As it gives us crit as strong stat

And later we get even better so idm

[slow saddle]

Atm u are slayer

Collosus is unplayable🤣

[obsidian otter]

my warrior in beta full tier set and rings and neck with crit haste and still at 32% base crit

[slow saddle]

Yes jet

Season 2

32% is enough

[obsidian otter]

got as much possible crit you can get with crit trinkets your at like 45% which feels good

[slow saddle]

Season 2 we hit 40 easily

[gritty karma]

Idk, i just took m+ build from wowhead which was colos

I'll try this

[obsidian otter]

tuning just needs to happen my rogue sub rogue does more aoe damage then my ilv 288 warrior lol

and my sub rogue is 218 alt

[gritty karma]

My prot war sims higher than arms so

[slow saddle]

Yup

St is rough🤣

I still dont understand

[obsidian otter]

yeah its tough

[slow saddle]

Do they rly want dps at 100k ish and tanks at 65-70k for st

Seem a bit close or?

[minor gust]

It's not unplayable it's just not as fun as slayer

[slow saddle]

I mean it feels unplayable no rage cdr all over the place

[topaz python]

i love cleave crits for 100k in colo actually

[slow saddle]

Its a hot mess

[topaz python]

it feels so good in aoe sometimes

[minor gust]

I've been doing some Colo it's not that bad

[slow saddle]

Keep in mind those 100k crits holds entire spec hostage

[slow saddle]

I did a bit its horrid

Even with shaman friend

[obsidian otter]

I can comfirm colo in 0s can still smack in aoe stuff dies so fast your honestly better playing colo vs slayer atm in 0s content

your single target will be lower but not by much

[topaz python]

its funny that my wife crits for 70k with shield slam on prot while i've seen max 60k mortal with 6 stacks of warfare CS and avatara up

[slow saddle]

Btw

So

Warfare... what if 4th apex talebt

[obsidian otter]

yeah bloodbath crits for 65k right now as fury 🙁

[minor gust]

I'm at like 28% Crit and I don't have rage issues as Colo even without a shaman

[slow saddle]

Gave us 6 stacks on avatar?

[obsidian otter]

should not be more then a MS

[minor gust]

I'm able to play the game enough just have sub human ST which is the same for any arms spec rn

[topaz python]

ye, that is so sad, you can get like 2-3 bloodbaths in a row depending on procs

[obsidian otter]

i mean unhinged with bloodbaths spack as fury

compared to arms unhinged 20k MS hits lol

because none are buffed

[slow saddle]

🤣

[bronze gale]

Thank you!

[topaz python]

i feel like that last talent should just reduce cd of cs and avatara no?

to remove desync

[slow saddle]

Nooo

Remove cdr

To both

[minor gust]

That would be the bandaid fix

[slow saddle]

And just give us a slight burst

So like d o 5 6 warfare stacks?

[minor gust]

But rather just last apex get reworked to increase next CS dmg amp

[slow saddle]

Or that

[obsidian otter]

they should make it give us 100% more damage for last apex point at this point..

[slow saddle]

Tbh it would fuck if the 30k we lack in dmg came from just cs fuuuckim

[topaz python]

maybe sometimes arms will be good when BL is pressed :(

[candid pecan]

yeah Avatar grants 6-7 warfare stacks

[slow saddle]

Wouldnt that be ok?

I dno

[obsidian otter]

10 to give us 50% bonus on cleave MS

[candid pecan]

it would be

[obsidian otter]

we had it in beta where we got 10 stacks and they didnt decrese bug

[candid pecan]

but... depends what the devs think

[obsidian otter]

was glorious

[slow saddle]

I feel like an apex talent that makes avatar duck

Would be fun

Or reck on cs as 4th talent?

But that doesnt build into

Theme

But jet would love 20% free crit

Tbh as arms id kill for reck instead of avatar🤣

[topaz python]

20% crit is more than 20% increased damage btw
because of crit damage increase talents and such

[obsidian otter]

make avatar actually do something like Wrath of the berserker from diablo 4 where we visually become a Avatar and gain some cool stuff

[minor gust]

Nonononono we trying to get that shit removed remember

[slow saddle]

I mean they will not

Id also take 4 warfare stacks on cs

[candid pecan]

okay now that I think about it, 6 stacks of warfare, 30 sec duration on avatar use sounds pretty good, and with good rng you can get up to 10 stacks but then once 30 seconds pass its -6 stacks

[slow saddle]

🤣

[minor gust]

It was removed once it can be removed again

[candid pecan]

holy big brain actually

but, sounds op so idk

[minor gust]

Remove ava and make a new CD that actually works and does something with our kit

[topaz python]

what if
last talent makes CS refresh duration of existing stacks?

[slow saddle]

I meam avatar can be that

[stable gazelle]

idk but this whole not taking the last talent even though its supposed to be "the most powerful point of the talent" and we dont take it cause of CD desync is soo dumb

[slow saddle]

No thx 2 rng

[minor gust]

Can but they won't considering the way it came back

[slow saddle]

Apex talent spot could fix

[shadow ibex]

They not making any cs procs when your tier extends cs per ms cast

[slow saddle]

Not cs procs

Cs dmg

[topaz python]

that is not rng
for example you have 3 stacks entering CS window
all of them became 30 seconds
if you managed to get CS cd to less than 30 seconds, next CS you've press will refresh duration on more stacks, like 6 or 7

[minor gust]

We'll have to wait till 12.1 I would assume last apex will get reworked. Worst case they bandaid and just add ava to the cdr

[slow saddle]

Even worse

Thats juggernaut

Plz

[topaz python]

what's bad about juggernaut

[slow saddle]

Hoooooooooly moly

How about everything

[topaz python]

it was actually a good skill ceiling for a spec that is lacking in that regard right now?

[slow saddle]

What?????

[sacred zodiac]

juggernaut kinda ruined warrior design space ever since it got introduced

and no proccing the correct amount of sudden deaths or not being selected for mechanics in execute phase is not a skill ceiling

[supple crypt]

juggernaut+Slayer*

[shadow ibex]

Tier does that too

[slow saddle]

Skill ceiling me sittin on 14 stacks rng fucks me at 36%

Or boss walks away

Intermission phase. Spec is now useless

Spec fury

[sacred zodiac]

tbf this is specifically a slayer issue not a juggernaut issue, but the idea of having to do some "get away from the boss for 10 seconds" mechanic in execute is just bad and no other execute class has to deal with it

[topaz python]

dunno about last expacs, i left in shadowlands tier1 and it was good

[novel cloud]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[slow saddle]

? We hardly pressed execute

T1 was horrid as arms🤣

[sacred zodiac]

are you stupid

[topaz python]

i mean juggernaut was good, not arms

[olive nest]

[slow saddle]

Condemn?

For juggernaughty

[topaz python]

arms was horrible in nathria

[slow saddle]

I only made it 4bosses

Then went dk

[river ridge]

We were gods on huntmaster tho

[copper swan]

hello there, i've been a bit off recently, is arms drowning rn ? Also i'm not a great expert in buffs and all but i'd like a simple little trick to begin with, smthg that aligns us with fury, the stats our weapon gives us should be doubled as Arms

[topaz python]

ye

[slow saddle]

I just couldnt let my raid team down

[topaz python]

that's true

huntmaster was perfect boss for arms

[slow saddle]

Exept we didnt have an immune

[sacred zodiac]

sire was design wise literally the best fight ever made for arms

[river ridge]

Just don't get targeted 4 head

[sacred zodiac]

and arms was like lower middle ish

[slow saddle]

Twas rough

[topaz python]

i didnt clear sire, because my pc for some reason always was killing itself on phase2 intermmission

that's why i left a game

[slow saddle]

But y thing with juggernaut is, it holds back sd and naked execute

[sacred zodiac]

and also denny is a great example of juggernaut being a terrible talent

oop ur assigned to drop a ball time to do no damage for the next 30 seconds

[slow saddle]

So when u have a 45% dmg increase u gotta start out bad

And again rip lust pulls

Like if it was an rpg where if u kept up stack u would be 1000% op

[olive nest]

Arms excute cinderblock chain perma low lust value

[slow saddle]

It would be fun

But in mmo we are tuned around maximum potential

[topaz python]

still, dunno what's similarities in idea I proposed to juggernaut you're talking about
you have stacks, press CS, you refresh duration
if you will have a downtime - okay, you would still lose them anyways had you this talent specced or not

[slow saddle]

So

If u can keep em up with 100% uptime

We are tuned for 100% uptime

There by suckin if any kind of break

[sacred zodiac]

arms is unplayably bad right now but will most likely get tuned on whatever date the season comes out

[slow saddle]

What u want is good burst windows, where skill matters

And then a lower dmg outside

Always better in raid

And m+

[karmic brook]

don't wanna sound curt or annoying but what burst windows mate?

[slow saddle]

My point

Saying what we want not what.we have🤣

[olive nest]

Can’t wait for omega MS + Exe buffs

[topaz python]

i mean
if you add 6 stacks to avatar it would kinda fix the downtime issue
but you never gonna get 10 stacks with bad rng
with my idea getting 10 stacks would be a proccess you need to play around and that would actually be better in fights that has minimum downtime tho
even if you lose 10 stacks, you will get to 6-7 each avatara window

[slow saddle]

My suggestion is burst

Yours is flat duckin profile

[thorn stream]

As long as juggernaut exists execute will be tuned around it, no?

[copper swan]

i still didn't make it into Midnight, the break i took about 3 weeks ago got my brain making space for other things 😭 and then i saw the haranir clipping shit and state of arms i was like "nah bro why"

[slow saddle]

Tbf

Slayer is not horrid

Tuning is

[sacred zodiac]

are you asking what a burst window is?

[copper swan]

and i don't want to click Rend on Fury wtf

[slow saddle]

Then dont

[karmic brook]

nah I'm wondering while slam, overpower, MS, execute deal 10% dmg of each other, how the hell are supposed to burst?

[sacred zodiac]

with meaningful cooldowns

in burst windows

you cannot burst as either warrior spec rn because the warrior designer said we have 2 flat damage specs unlucky

(i dont actually know current damage patterns but i assume they are flat again)

[river ridge]

Fury warriors are still paying for NP, so they're super flat as well

[sacred zodiac]

what the fuck is this man

[slow saddle]

As to opposed to all the cdr

[warped spade]

Flat is fine when they tune accordingly.

[slow saddle]

No

Its not

[warped spade]

They just havent in years

[sacred zodiac]

you have to be overtuned for flat to be fine

[slow saddle]

Always worst profilr

[shadow ibex]

Been flat for years

[warped spade]

Exactly.

[shadow ibex]

Cs uptime tier sets

[sacred zodiac]

so flat is not fine

[shadow ibex]

Gonna be the same shit

[slow saddle]

Flat means some1 is always better at the job

[gaunt owl]

We are the best spec at being dead

[shadow ibex]

Flat = 0 skill floor and ceiling

Period

[gaunt owl]

Flatlining is our specialty

[sacred zodiac]

you have no relevance in prog fights and must be crazily overtuned to have any relevance for m+

[slow saddle]

Yup

[sacred zodiac]

thats not really true tho

you just deal less damage

[shadow ibex]

No

Theres nothing to mess up

With a flat profile

Nothing matters

[slow saddle]

Mby fury wouldda been on if tier set was fixxed in race?

[shadow ibex]

Theres no cd window to mess up

[warped spade]

They need to overtune flat. So that flat specs shine on uptime fights and be ok on other fights.

[shadow ibex]

Its just press button

[slow saddle]

Never will

Also means m+ meta

[sacred zodiac]

idk what you just said

[minor gust]

no because it was mainly an aoe fix

[warped spade]

They have before

[slow saddle]

When?

Was flat top dmg last time?

[warped spade]

A long long time ago. Before m+

[slow saddle]

B4 they actually did tuning

Also which spec?

When

[river ridge]

BM nylotha?

[sacred zodiac]

why not every fury warrior do same damage then

ominous

[shadow ibex]

Crit more

[sacred zodiac]

that must be it

[warped spade]

But also m+ kinda still favors burst unless your tank is chain pulling. Which hasnt been a thing in a while

[obsidian otter]

skill issue

[shadow ibex]

If i had to guess probably skill issue

Prio wrong bt or rb

Easy mistake

50/50 chance your wrong

[slow saddle]

Its more burst can kill the mobs that are scary so u can pull next or more

[river ridge]

Could aslo press Rampage too soon

[sacred zodiac]

pick one either no skill floor and ceiling or skill issue

[slow saddle]

Flat is more forgiving

[sacred zodiac]

depends on the type of flat cdr specs can be insanely unforgiving

[slow saddle]

In short periods, but hittin max numbers require no mistakes

[shadow ibex]

What I said didnt make it not true

Rb and bt prio isnt hard

[river ridge]

Yeah cuz its just BT now <_<;

[shadow ibex]

But you got a 50% chance of being wrong and I doubt most ppl are tapped in

To class discord

[slow saddle]

It is kindda intuitive

U press the 1 that has a cd

[warped spade]

Kinda disagree there too. More places for relevant fuckups. More reliant on uptime and juicing before going out

[slow saddle]

But lets c

If i fuck up during cds as fury 1 time

Vs 1 time as fdk

What hurts most

[warped spade]

Burst is memorise this precise shit, dont fuck it up for ~20secs and coast

[shadow ibex]

Idt its ridiculous that a class with cdr and a super flat profile has a low skill ceiling and floor

With cdr you can't even mess up timings cuz you'll probably have something with an add spawn

Low uptime is disproportionately punished for sure

[slow saddle]

And when u have 2 hold. It fucks u 2 x

[warped spade]

Sure but when are you most likely to fuck up? Your cd window? Or the intense mechanical phase? Cause 80% of the time those too aren't the same

[shadow ibex]

But thats been a warrior curse forever

[slow saddle]

Do u raid mythic?

Bcoz often both at the same time is a thing

[warped spade]

Dim dam amp? Nexus king amp? Araz amp?

Soul hunters coming down? They dont do shit

[shadow ibex]

Let's be real melee mechanical phase difficulty is just how well your tank is at moving stuff for like 90% of encounters

And if they can't move anything, its how willing they are to move and make room for you

[slow saddle]

Other meeles

As well

Heck melee healers🤣

[stable fiber]

flat dps profile is not forgiving btw

[slow saddle]

P1 dimmy p2 dimmy all nexus kings phases

[river ridge]

Juggernaut says hi

[slow saddle]

Like u cherry pick 30 sec where burst is dummy🤣

[stable fiber]

yeah and that 30 second burst

[slow saddle]

Juggernaut is random

[stable fiber]

is 40% of your overall on the whole fight

[slow saddle]

Not on prog where it matters

[stable fiber]

weird

i didnt see a warrior on nexus king or dimensius

[river ridge]

No, I mean in the sense that it was a punishing even when played correctly and RNG was in your favor, and had generally a pretty flat damage profile.

[warped spade]

Bruh those are not the most insane phases in wow, and you're not in cd's when those are popping off

[river ridge]

Like agreeing, that Flat =/= Forgiving

[warped spade]

Apart from dimmy p1 where you might get rng cucked

[slow saddle]

Araz was hectic as well wdym

[stable fiber]

you did see a warrior on fractillus though and for a very good reason

[slow saddle]

Fury just rbed

[slow saddle]

Y 1 tank

[stable fiber]

nah

[sacred zodiac]

fury fucked

[stable fiber]

well yeah

[warped spade]

Not during the burst. Your're agreeing with me right now xD

[stable fiber]

but it was super good on that boss

even during race

brought a extra rally too

[slow saddle]

Still only there coz 1 tank

[warped spade]

Frac is an uptime boss. Which is where flat should shine

[stable fiber]

it does shine

flat profiles did hella damage on that fight

[warped spade]

Weren't some burst specs still ahead?

[slow saddle]

I mean... its more fury wasnt handicapped

Ofc they wer

[stable fiber]

ele

thats it

wait

ele/bm

[slow saddle]

Only adv is kill timin matter less

[sacred zodiac]

p sure fury was #1 or near #1 on fractilus only

[stable fiber]

^

[warped spade]

Idk, I'd rather have burst too if it means it makes it easier for them to tune. Cause right now tuning is pretty shit

[stable fiber]

during race it was easily first

[olive nest]

Revvez was #1 on that fight not all fury warriors

[slow saddle]

Revvez is a god

[olive nest]

Un matched

[stable fiber]

after race when boss died in 2 mins it didnt really get to pass other specs

althought 7-8m dps isnt really all that bad

[shadow ibex]

Crit amp makes arms parses a gamble

You can cast same amount of ms as someone else

But if you crit on 50% of them

[slow saddle]

Not if collosus was king!

[olive nest]

Gamba spec 👑

Just be lucky

[slow saddle]

A proc gamba spec

Love it

U say that but variance in gen on arms was small

[dim basalt]

Isnt it weird that we are the crit spec but Fury has Recklessness

[shadow ibex]

Thats probably my sleeper biggest issue with arms

Amount of crit amp and gg I crit on all my EP mortal strikes

[slow saddle]

Again variance has shown in gen not an issue

[icy atlas]

I wish Reck was classwide like it used to be :p

[shadow ibex]

Only for us

That care about parsing

[bronze sand]

do we use improved sweeping strikes or powerful momentum? I feel like its so easy to overcap on sweeping strike stacks with both CS and ST being used

[slow saddle]

Yup reck would be felt more than avatar

[dim basalt]

Reck should only be for us tbh

[slow saddle]

Yyp

[shadow ibex]

Its just my own personal gripe looking at looks and seeing wtf we cast almost same exact amount of ms

[slow saddle]

Fury doesnt need the rage increase

[shadow ibex]

But one player had 80% of them crit

[slow saddle]

Never happens man

[shadow ibex]

I think our last fyra kill i had single digit number of non crit ms

[slow saddle]

U were blessed then smile

[shadow ibex]

Its not relevant for 99.99 tho

Just us squeezing every drop of dps out of the spec

[gaunt owl]

you squeeze nothing

get a lemon thrown at your face

[shadow ibex]

[obsidian otter]

single target boss vs cleave boss fury slayer pumping man.. why cant arms be pumping this good damage wise

[stable fiber]

is ur mage even playing

[obsidian otter]

hoping i get weapon drop on my arms before i run magi

[dim basalt]

Demo isnt playing either

[obsidian otter]

wow population most players dont do their sims damage lol it is how it is

you have to move and dps its not static fights

[shadow ibex]

Just have your party let you do all the dmg

[fast wedge]

I just do not like playing fury at all 😒

[willow galleon]

did they run out of time to finish arms or what happened

[gaunt owl]

they didnt bother running the math

Ion Hazzikostas said it was impossible anyway

like C'thun back then

[willow galleon]

ye but even just the pruning aspect, arms has 2x more buttons than everyone else

not complaining just feels unfinished

HS not showing in CDM or am i missing it

[flint cedar]

Going to have fun maining arms regardless. Slayer feels good in terms of rotation to me. Just doesn't look good atm. Awaiting the 17th for some possible lovin and not a hate fuck.

[obtuse sluice]

Just fucking cleave like a madman to make up for the low single target/boss damage

[tough pond]

Are people feeling slayer or colossus for dungeons?

[olive nest]

Colossus is more fun in dungeons imo but I’m biased to the demolish

[shadow ibex]

Bloat is a common complaint yea

[wind hatch]

slam turns into hs when it procs

[topaz python]

idk i'm feeling that demo is clunky af

[olive nest]

Yeah it’s either love it or hate it

[gaunt owl]

my balls are bloated too

[glacial shore]

is anyone else taking the last point in arms apex

it seems scuffed

[gaunt owl]

nobody do

its mathematically sad to look at

[topaz python]

dont get me wrong, i love to have a button that deals that much damage
but the fact that you're stuck in place and must target a creature with it is strange decision in current version of wow

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/i-guess-bro-what-are-you-talking-about-bruh-wolf-of-wall-street-nose-pinch-gif-2883543456073544458

[willow galleon]

I know.... slam aint there either?

[wind hatch]

make a new profile and it should be

that’s what I had to do atleast

[gaunt owl]

the bloat wouldnt exist if we had a dmg profile or any identity too

you push button because they do dmg

[willow galleon]

cool ty

[gaunt owl]

they need to have a purpose in the spec

[shadow ibex]

They could make rage and cs important and we could have a real spec with a burst window like pillar of frost

Instead just gonna approach 50% uptime on cs again and then toss in tier bonus to extend and keep it flat like the earth

[slow saddle]

Demolish nerf killed the fun

20% aoe nerf

Col is just cleave bigger number

Slayer is cleave procs reap for bigger number

[lone raft]

what’s the pvp spec colossus?

or depends on the content

[slow saddle]

Fury😅🤣

[lone raft]

fury is too spammy for me

I tried it, idk not for me, I miss arms

[slow saddle]

I mean

Low rage

Bad crit

Cdr nightmare

[high snow]

skill issue, play colossus if you play m+

[lone raft]

I’m prot rn for all other content, but colosuss is just getting 10 stacks on the demolish modifier and then popping avatar and then bladestorm

[fervent cedar]

No 🙂

[lone raft]

well smash, demolish, then BS

[slow saddle]

Bladestorm?

Wtf u smokin🤣

[lone raft]

and hope you nuke em every cd

[minor gust]

[lone raft]

oh that’s right that’s on slayer

[slow saddle]

Does less dps than cleave

[high snow]

if you play bladestorm as arms colossus you are a noob and thats why you arent doing damage

[lone raft]

idk man I spent one night going thru all the specs

[slow saddle]

Also dislike that we empower cleavea now

But wait

[lone raft]

what’s the PvP build for arms

[slow saddle]

We get a talent that makes us not empower 3 first cleaves

[minor gust]

Best asked in the pvp channel

Not this one

[shadow ibex]

Slayer demolish does no dmg

Cdr for bs to keep uptime

[high snow]

play colossus + demolish + ravager for m+ or dungeons.. otherwise dont complain about damage tbh

[dire hinge]

Slayer… demolish? That’s not possible. Demolish is only on the Colossus tree

Correct that it does no damage I guess

[slender sonnet]

this is the secret tuning that blizz are doing to make arms playable

[warped idol]

anyone know where the sparks for this week are?

[slender sonnet]

merging the hero talents

[minor gust]

Yeah totally not allowed to complain about ST dmg because Colo does mid aoe

[shadow ibex]

Was answering question about pvp

[high snow]

you can complain.. just lkke when a baby cries its best to just let it wheep

[dire hinge]

this week's spark is behind a pvp quest (oh joy)

https://www.wowhead.com/news/earn-a-third-spark-of-radiance-from-war-mode-pvp-quest-380714

ah nvm hotfixed to allow for PvE
https://www.wowhead.com/news/pve-weekly-spark-quests-added-on-lady-liadrin-380715

[minor gust]

🪤

[warped idol]

thank you!

[flint cedar]

Don't feed it 😀

[minor gust]

🪤

[gaunt owl]

🪤

[olive nest]

🪤

[dim basalt]

🪤

[fresh spire]

Just don't have kids. Can't cry then

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wtf-side-eye-cute-cat-gif-4703834963635709315

[slender sonnet]

It's my party I'll cry if I want

[shadow ibex]

he's right you know, if only we had even more aoe talents to take

2/3rd of the tree should be aoe only so you have different ways to do aoe dmg

[proper moth]

Just make all of our abilities hit in a cone like cleave ez

[shadow ibex]

that part

or passive sweeping

[tough pond]

Just give arms 2 2handers to hit more…..oh

[olive nest]

Yuck

[proper moth]

3 handers

[olive nest]

[echo tendon]

the spec is arms so clearly they should give us extra arms to hold the weapon with

[still frigate]

I’m here to roleplay as Goro

[warped ether]

No more arms

More like fingers at this point

[proper moth]

Thank finally someone with some sense

[heady marlin]

arms get any changes today?

[devout pewter]

First balance patch gonna be on the 17th

[latent moss]

📅

[shadow ibex]

oh he got the date and everything

https://tenor.com/view/impressed-wow-amazing-oh-okay-julius-gif-16749466768998515637

[minor gust]

well see actual notes for thje 17th this week

so like 3-4 more days till notes

actually 2-3 forgot its tuesday

[proper moth]

Yeah

I hope arms gets some good tuning

I was hoping to main warrior but I don’t wanna play something flaccid when my DH is slapping 200k collapsing stars

[latent hull]

https://tenor.com/view/warrior-discord-wow-gif-25949036

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/368825524740554752/1216524072234782791/Herbrickedup.gif

[proper moth]

Warrior dev rn

[latent hull]

[spiral coral]

Warriors seem to always be my raid leader, so, this checks out

[latent hull]

[proper moth]

Warrior dev is actually the warlock dev I’m telling you guys

Or the warrior dev is a pet battler main there’s no other explanation

[shell arch]

is the mortal strike heroic strike macro worth it?

[latent hull]

war for warlock

[haughty ore]

What we think, stonks going to the moon on the 17th?

[minor gust]

anything can happen but no

likely

[shell arch]

we need gladiator stance back

[proper moth]

All warlock specs

[minor gust]

just the gap from top to bottom will shrink but well still be bottom

thats how blizz tunes when season starts

[proper moth]

Devourer prob gonna get buffed

[haughty ore]

I just hope they make slam a majority of the damage in an encounter

[minor gust]

Im not expecting any individual button tuning besides a nerf to cleave and the rest is an aura buff

[proper moth]

50% aura nerf 1000% execute buff all other abilities pruned

[haughty ore]

Think the notes will be Friday?

[minor gust]

either thurs or friday yeah

[haughty ore]

Dank

[proper moth]

Wouldn’t be surprised

[zenith warren]

anyone got a dc on eu?

[haughty ore]

What race yur warrs?

[zenith warren]

tauren

[weak rain]

velf ofc

[sacred zodiac]

mina haa

[hallow quail]

NO! YUGE AURA BUFF INC, EXECUTE RAGE COST REMOVED! BIG BEAUTIFUL AURA BUFF!

[twin hazel]

Is it worth it to craft a 2 hander with sparks?

[dire hinge]

"worth it" will be up to you. You can craft one now, but it will be low item level because you dont have access to the higher Crests yet. That, and high cost due to professions materials being astronomical right now.

If you want to be a bit cautious, you can always wait until after your first Great Vault, to see if you can pull a high-item-level weapon from it, then craft one afterwards if you don't think you'll get a weapon soon.

[proper moth]

Biggest the world has quite frankly ever seen! No one in the history of the world has seen aura buffs like these ones

[halcyon void]

some people got 4 sparks. which is funny because this is exactly what happened in season 2 tww, where an exploit allowed you to get 4 fragments (2 sparks) 1 week early. blizzards fix to that was just give everyone a free fragment so everybody had 4 fragments

[proper moth]

Weird I got 2 last week and then there’s only one this week no?

[halcyon void]

intentionally only 3 sparks, but alot of people say they have 4

[proper moth]

🤨

[misty sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-joe-coin-joecoin-emotiguy-emoti-gif-8703262936571631999

[shadow ibex]

Didn't some shit like that happen tww launch

[surreal whale]

as slayer, when having 2 stacks of OP off cooldown and MS still use MS prio?

[shadow ibex]

Something to do with quest turn in

[proper moth]

Tf gimme a spark so I can craft my weapon

[halcyon void]

I don’t think you can anymore after the hotfix, it was probably due to the fact that only the weekly pvp quest was up for some time, and so people did that and got a spark, when they then hotfixed in the pve weekly they got another from that.

[shadow ibex]

they will probably just give everyone a free 1

thats what they did at tww launch when some ppl got ahead witha spark

hotfixed a quest for those that didn't take advantage of the exploit or w/e

[minor gust]

Just doin my m0s on dh looking at my first boss dmg

[vapid spire]

I did a mythic dungeon with an Arcane mage and a demo lock, i felt like their emotional support pet

[minor gust]

hard to compare with havoc cuz its like comparing balance and feral, but the spec is a lot of fun. Simple to grasp with some nuance and a lot of skill expression in positioning and movement.

share abillities like eye beam and meta but are both completely different in how they are used. Lots of fun gonna be a good alt to do keys on

[minor gust]

the m0 overalls are nice

[nova marsh]

Jesus christ

I do no damage compared to yall

[quasi comet]

How im feeling as a arms this season

[prisma bluff]

It's costing us, but with effort we can perhaps strike the first blow with weapons.

[polar drum]

Damn arms has a lot of binds. Did y’all not get any pruning? 😂

[sweet tangle]

They pruned several abilities then just added some back because people threw a fit

[fossil root]

We def need to calibrate gear proportions on other races

[polar drum]

Damn how often are you pressing slam? I imagine cleave is used a lot in aoe?

[quiet bramble]

rage hungry during st

[sweet tangle]

you press slam if everything is on cooldown as a filler or to cast heroic strike when it procs. cleave is your bread and butter and about the only aoe ability that does any real damage

[agile jewel]

I tried a buncha classes in prepatch and they were so pruned did they fix any yet?

Arms felt right so switches from fury

[sonic sable]

How long does the tww cloak work?

[smoky kayak]

two with sks as well

[quaint otter]

Decent damage for a tank 🥹

[summer quartz]

can

can't wait to see the patch notes for the 17th

[quiet bramble]

[thorn stream]

Same

[rare kite]

cut to the bone down to 5%

[dim basalt]

3% or gtfo

[rare kite]

can always go lower

[fresh spire]

[nova marsh]

[halcyon valve]

Arms:

• developer note: we saw arms was underperforming, so this should get them back on track
• increasing all damage dealt by 5%

[nova marsh]

You misspelt reduced

[halcyon valve]

Alright

Arms:

• developer note: we saw arms was still getting played by you freaks
• reduced all damage dealt by 50%
• additional note: it is now a reportable offence to play arms in groupfinder content

[nova marsh]

There ya go

Sounds so much more like blizzard

[ionic flare]

Nah man, definitely more like

• developer note: we saw arms was underperforming, so this should get them back on track
• Increased all damage dealt by 5%
• Mortal Strike damage reduced by 35%
• Execute damage reduced by 15%
• Slam damage increased by 10%
• Heroic Strike damage reduced by 20%

[gray maple]

forgot the bug fix where blade storm now heals enemies

[ionic flare]

Sweeping Strikes duration reduced to 10 seconds (was 30)

[dim basalt]

Just saw someone on twitter complain about Fury having 0 utility and dealing tank dps

Whos gonna tell them

[rare kite]

holy moly that guy has gotta be garbage at the game. sure fury is no unholy, demo or devourerdh

[minor oyster]

• Rage has been removed as a resource. Each spell now costs 10 gold to cast.
• Mortal Strike now has a 30% chance to heal the target’s wounds for 15% of their maximum health.
• Heroic Leap now has a chance to break the ground and intentionally send your character under the map. If this happens, your character is instantly rerolled as an Unholy Death Knight.
• While using Bladestorm, your character now flies. You must use the dynamic fly command to control your direction.

[minor gust]

Bladestorm now spins your camera around in circles for a realistic pov

[thick hamlet]

and cleave damage buffed 20%

[sharp dust]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/immersivesck like this?

[dim basalt]

Also need it for WW then

[quiet bramble]

dafuq m+ arms slayer doesnt take battle lord?

[quaint otter]

cursed

[fresh spire]

I'd recommend it especially when no skyfury

[weak wave]

What does this do exactly?

[dim basalt]

Turns the camera with your character

For maximum dizziness when spinning

[weak wave]

Lol 😆

[quiet bramble]

U run battlelord on slayer?

Gcd issue?

[thick kelp]

hop on the bl train

[old glacier]

How is arms feeling right now? Not in terms of numbers but in terms of play I guess.

[thick kelp]

fun

[old glacier]

Just returning after a long time. Thought I would check out warrior.

[fresh spire]

I dropped powerful for mass execution.

Also dropped overpowering strikes for bloodletting for some more rage. Though not worth

Opportunist for keys

Opportunist when 3+ targets

Also Ms even when Opportunist is taken still sims as much as op/dn at 10 targets to prio ms over overpower.

So depending on tuning ms may just be better than op

It normalises heavy moment you get reap proc

As reap is still pretty strongly tuned. I wouldnt he surprised if it gets nerfed

One thing that needs to be remembered is as nice as dn is sometimes it flat out just misses the pack if it hits the mob on edge and fires off to side

Where reap is consistent to players positioning

Reap should be fired from player not target

Dn**

I've been personally doing cleave>sd>bs>ms>op as it sims the exact same doing op>ms with build I shared. Less bullshit from dn not being optimal vs ms just hitting.
Battlelord while on paper looks weak moment you remove skyfury it helps a fuck ton with rage

The more crit we get the better ms will get because of mortal wounds aswell.

[plucky osprey]

For my dumb brain atm what is BL having a brain malfunction