arms

[fresh spire]

(Because sims can be sandbagged and don't tell the real picture(

[eternal edge]

arms had many problems in the past, best example is WoD where we were litterally trash.
Hopefully, problem here is mainly numbers so they can fix it quickly
but RWF will start in the same time so they won't make a big move

[burnt goblet]

surely its not hard to go - hey class is below viable, make it like mid table, or slightly less

[chilly cobalt]

There won’t be a single arms warrior in RWF

[eternal edge]

nope

like TWW

like DF

[sharp dust]

1 Fury for the buff, no prot because of dubble bear

[chilly cobalt]

Cause we have nothing to offer

[olive nest]

Completely agree that they should not design things around what the race teams do

[eternal edge]

that's why i said don't hope for anything

i don't even remember last time i see an arms warrior in RWF for more than a boss

for blizz, arms is still "pvp"

[dim basalt]

Undermine

[eternal edge]

more than a boss?

[fresh spire]

They don't design around rwf. For most part the only thing race tuning may impact is not completely shooting the top 5 specs purely to not fuck up strategies/setups.

But they have announced 4 weeks of tuning which is already more than we usually get at the start of a patch

[lusty slate]

Race to world first shouldn’t matter , they do have multiple of every class , so i don’t think blizz takes that into account for tuning , as long as the race didn’t start they can do whatever

[dim basalt]

Slot Machine + Mugzee

iirc

[sharp dust]

Ahh shit, 2 bosses

Were so back boys

[eternal edge]

well, 2 bosses yooohoooo

[dim basalt]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[burnt goblet]

🤣

[sharp dust]

[dim basalt]

I mean both specs were exactly even that tier

[eternal edge]

not even

[dim basalt]

Yes they were?

[eternal edge]

fury always got a better survivability cause HP diff

[dim basalt]

But there wasnt really a reason to play Arms because Fury is tankier

But in terms of dps they were even

[sharp dust]

Unfortunately Fury had better aoe for raid at times

[dim basalt]

As in for Gally because that is/was the only relevant boss left

[eternal edge]

like Stjpa said, fury is tankier so there is no reason to plays arms

[fresh spire]

Mugzee was the harder boss that arms owned at never forget arms was good

[dim basalt]

And now theres no reason to play Arms for execute either because Fury is as good at it

[fresh spire]

But fury just played better for other bosses like stix and gally

[burnt goblet]

just makes no sense that we dont get a buff, hearing you all speak about it + everything ive read

[fresh spire]

For most part both specs was close. Just arms sucked if you couldn't press defensive

[dim basalt]

Stix lowkey doesnt count because it was just a pure ranged fight and you minimized the melee specs

[fresh spire]

There is no way arms doesn't get a buff. More of a question of will it be enough

Realistically arms needs like 25% to be near fury.

[vapid pine]

Same with Slot Machine boss too though

[fresh spire]

I'm fully expecting aura to under buff arms and include cleave

[eternal edge]

we all agree with that but the real question is WHEN

[dim basalt]

Was it? I dont recall minmaxing melee/ranged there

[lusty slate]

And fury another 25 to catch unholy

[eternal edge]

pretty sure UH will got a nerf huh

[vapid pine]

It was just spriest, warlock, evoker stacking to kill adds because the damage check for execute was way too lax tbh

[thick kelp]

slot machine had a prot warr

and 16 ranged dps

[dim basalt]

I remember Arms and WW also being brought

For the aoe burst

Could be wrong tho

[vapid pine]

Brought by guilds who couldn't bring more priests basically

[dim basalt]

fair

[thick kelp]

i dont think any rwf brought a dps warr

fsy had a dps warr there tho

he was botton dps

[dim basalt]

[eternal edge]

you probably right
Prot warrior and that's it

[dim basalt]

Calling 10% for UHDK, Demo

[vapid pine]

WW was just a better warrior that tier too though, Arms wasn't bad at all realistically

[fresh spire]

Fury honeslty needs a raging blow buff it's not even funny how fucking bad the button feels

[dim basalt]

WW was only better until they got nerfed (for whatever reason)

[fresh spire]

Dk I could see getting nerfed as much as arms gets buffed it's so far ahead on average

Same with demo

[dim basalt]

Its rare they nerf top dps specs by so much they end up not being top tier though

[slow saddle]

Yup

[vapid pine]

Depends on when the tuning happens, no? Long time since last HC week, but during beta things have tended to shift a tonne

[dim basalt]

And even if they get hit with a -15% bat theyre still so ahead lol

[slow saddle]

Just did world tour as uh dk... man its good

[fresh spire]

Dk deserves it after being strong almost the entire of tww

[dim basalt]

Well yeah timing matters, Im talking right before a tier

[slow saddle]

Sadly my grp had demo lock...

Y tuning is prob pretty set rankings wise

[dim basalt]

Imagine if Kalamazi still puts out a sandbagging video for good measures

[slow saddle]

Usually only if its a bug that gets fixxed do u c a big leap

Think fdk nerfs s3

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-dont-hurt-me-mike-ohearn-jokester-joke-funny-gif-27699537

Arms warriors waking up on the 17th (real)

[vast helm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/14uzPzKMOuVIPu

[fresh spire]

[eternal edge]

OMG THAT FLAT

[warped ether]

Where are my arms ?

https://tenor.com/view/redblockcustom-man-no-arms-indian-arms-no-arms-man-standing-gif-17755513251794797743

[misty plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/never-give-up-no-surrender-monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-black-knight-its-only-a-flesh-wound-gif-14084084

[fossil root]

You know … even fury is underperforming. Prot is only option. Prot is OP.

[slender sonnet]

I’m druiding on my druid till I druid

[eternal edge]

nah. i let that spec for ppl who loves weird slaps on their face

[bronze sand]

why does Demolish keep getting completely un-synced with warbreaker? Idk why it keeps happenning but I can never get them to be up at the same time throughout the dungeon

[quiet bramble]

da hell, slayer or colossus?

[still frigate]

As colossus I’ve been top DPS overall but pitiful on ST

[snow flame]

Colossus might have the worst st of any classs ever

[eternal edge]

you mean CS (kek)

[snow flame]

I don’t think they’ll ever let colossus have great st

For whatever reason

[eternal edge]

it was never a good ST option cause everything focus on aoe (demolish / cleave etc)

[dim basalt]

Thats not an excuse

They do have all the knobs to tune it properly

[snow flame]

Yeah but even in aoe it’s never a true meta spec either

Even in nerubar it’s add damage couldn’t keep up with fury or frost dk

It was ok on silken court

[eternal edge]

agreed with you don't worry mate

[eternal edge]

like i said before, and Stjpa too, fury is better in terms of survavibilty so even if we got a buff, if it's not insane or better than fury, players will play fury anyway

best way to stop that is to remove HP from secondary weapon

[dim basalt]

Even if everything was equal people would rather play Fury

Arms is a niche spec nowadays

[eternal edge]

well no, if it's even i def play arms tbh

[dim basalt]

Given that Arms has no spec fantasy anymore its understandable

[slow saddle]

Fam. Best way is to let arms do 5-10% more st🤣

[eternal edge]

or that yeah aha

[slow saddle]

I do mean coz

Fury gives nothin up for aoe

Arms gives up more

[eternal edge]

when i play fury i feel like random bullshit go

[dim basalt]

Fury gives up 20% of their globals (if Slayer)

[slow saddle]

For?

[dim basalt]

Being able to do aoe in the first place

[slow saddle]

No?

[dim basalt]

Slayer aoe feels horrondous

[obsidian otter]

only thing fury is changing from their single target to aoe is 1 talent point 🙁

[slow saddle]

They press a ww ww is good

U spin its a win

[dim basalt]

right

[gritty karma]

CS has 25cd demolish is up 10 stacks. Do u press it on ST or wait?

[livid cloak]

How its going so far https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055276743675621407/1480370002619273378/image.png?ex=69b01640&is=69aec4c0&hm=7e8ef7c47d91ef5f96c4df7d35086b5504da325ec69061f73054c2bc7a42005c&

[fervent cedar]

In dungeons or raid? How much aoe do you tend to do on average?

[dim basalt]

Was talking from a feeling perspective as Fury

[fervent cedar]

I also play fury, I've actually really enjoyed slayer in dungeons as arms

[soft dew]

Getting recked by followers nice

[fervent cedar]

The ST isn't good on slayer either obviously

But the aoe is pretty sick

[dim basalt]

Cant tell how much I do in dungeons as Fury because Im tanking for my group

[fervent cedar]

Fury aoe is p good too

As both thane and slayer honestly

But slayer arms aoe feels really nice

Imo

The ST is just sad

[dim basalt]

Id rather not press WW

[fervent cedar]

Yeah exactly thats how I feel

Cleave spam, execute reap, constant dopamine

Then go to fury and i have to press ww and rend as slayer 🙁

Thane is a bit better but feels a bit slower

[thick kelp]

wait

or if are playing 4/4 apex u send

[gritty karma]

Naah 3/4

[thick kelp]

then always wait

[jovial hare]

LMAO

[jovial hare]

oh my god

this makes me so sad

[gritty karma]

Btw is there any option to track heroic strike in cdm?

I just did actionbar with slam cuz couldnt find it xD

[thick kelp]

yeah track slam

[fresh spire]

When thr followers even beat your ass

[jovial hare]

yeah it's dumb that u can't track HS proccing, just slam

[fresh spire]

From what I've heard before it's on the request list to be added to track

[jovial hare]

that's nice at least

[gritty karma]

Nice

[thick kelp]

gonna be there in last titan

[jovial hare]

now we just need to hook in sharedmedia files so i can make it use the bonk sfx

[fresh spire]

Plenty of things missing from the cooldown tracker across a good few classes

[jovial hare]

plenty of things that no longer exist are also present iirc
blizzard really just looked at their software engineers and were like "hey can u replicate weakauras in like 4 months lol"

[strange gate]

Heard that arm isn’t doing so good at the moment ?

Too bad I’m here for the love of the fantasy.

https://tenor.com/view/paladin-eso-nameless-knight-knight-gif-11483325911537984746

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/all-roads-lead-to-rome-time-rabbit-gif-9497165517404307883

[vale gorge]

Im Colossus in mm+

[snow flame]

My point is that arms doesn’t ever get the proper tuning love it needs to be the best spec

Dps will always be more important than survivability when it comes to high end prog

When we are talking about meta specs

I can’t recall the last time arms was so far ahead you played it every fight

[eternal edge]

Agreed with everything you said

IIRC it was MoP first raid

And it was not because arms was OP
It's just because fury was undertuned

[cloud timber]

Do we know roughly how much worse slayer performs in m+ compared to colossus?

[shadow ibex]

Spec been hobbling along with no niche for years

[austere hamlet]

has anyone found a way to track the hs proc aside from just looking at the slam icon changing ? I would like to have the proc pop up in my buff bar when it procs and maybe tie a sound alert to it, but havent been able to find a way to do so

[jovial hare]

All fights for me

[vapid spire]

Idk, Wotlk ? 😂

[shadow ibex]

it was nice for sennarth

get to have cds for the spider add

[eternal edge]

Yeah but we're not good for a tier entirely since ages

[shadow ibex]

i'd say the only tier it felt good to be arms from front to back was maybe nyalotha but the game also sucked at the time because you had to wait for the superbowl before your corruptions appeared on the vendor

[cedar flame]

i know this is not the right channel but this is basically the only channel i can get to load across like 10 servers, but is discord like royally fucked for anyone else right now?

every channel across 10+ servers all fail to load except this one for some reason

[wind hatch]

there's something weird going on with discord rn

[devout pewter]

Are we there yet?

[eternal edge]

baited by the 2h our maintenance was hoping for a patch with it (i know they told us no tuning until 17th)

[latent moss]

9.1

u even played it on soulrender cause someone would go ww and blast the adds

and u would blast the boss

[river ridge]

Last one was probably sanctum of domination in Shadowlands. Arms was the better Warrior spec by a lot so long as you had an enhancement Shaman with you

[snow flame]

yeah feels like 10 years ago

[rapid bronze]

Arms: Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit

[river ridge]

There's also LoU where Arms was pretty much on par and better than Fury at most fights, but thats a conterviersal take I guess?

[eternal edge]

well no

Undermine 2 bosses only

otherwise fury was better

[river ridge]

The only boss you played Fury on was JunkBunker & Gallywix.

If you were playing hard meta

Arms was fine every where else or better than Fury

[eternal edge]

that's why we don't see any arms in RWF or on top guilds in undermine, yes

[river ridge]

We litreally did though?

[eternal edge]

on 2 bosses, not all bosses like you said

[river ridge]

??????????????????????????????????

Am I being gaslit? Lmao

[halcyon gust]

are we still holding out for big notes on the 17th or are we pretty convinced its jover?

[eternal edge]

well i'll be the first to say sorry if i'm wrong but they played fury most of the time

[eternal edge]

we'll see this week (thursday or friday)

[spiral coral]

No you’re both saying two separate things, and are both right lmao.

[river ridge]

I'll never understand why people concern themselves with what Liquid and or Echo are doing in terms of Composition.

[spiral coral]

LoU you could play either, marginal st difference for arms/fury and for most players it ended up being whatever they were more comfortable with. Fury was absolute dog water in m+ for s2 tho.

[halcyon gust]

i mean they take the specs that line up best with bottlenecks in fights that 99.9% of us likely wont have to concern ourselves with when we get there cause well have multiple weeks-worth of gear more

[spiral coral]

It’s a really, really, really fair baseline though.

[river ridge]

Maybe if you're in a HoF guild?

[stable fiber]

yes

[spiral coral]

Yes, and most discord users are here for the meta.

[latent moss]

sod arm..

[eternal edge]

don't get me wrong : i'll play arms WHATEVER HAPPENS.
But i just want to say that if you have arms and fury equals, fury is most of the time picked cause it's tankier than arms, that's why we saw more fury than arms in RWF overall when it happens (like undermine). if arms is better, arms is played and they did it

[latent moss]

[gaunt owl]

dmg profile was a huge part too

but well people shouldnt look at RWF since its gonna get heavily balanced after anyway

[spiral coral]

Ppawwww hope you’re well G.

[stable fiber]

mugzee is a pretty good example

[river ridge]

That's an Oxymoron though no? If you're here for the meta any guild worth their salt would have told y ou what you're playing. And if you're concerned about Heroic/Normal/M+ pugs what does that matter?

[stable fiber]

although i think mugzee arms was just always better then fury though and it wasnt very close

a REAL execute boss

[gaunt owl]

doing great IRL is far more fun, it doesnt require balance patch 😄

[eternal edge]

that's what i said yes

[minor gust]

Even had some nice adds to sweep execute off of

[stable fiber]

its how i cheesed r1 on that boss

lmfao

i feel like nobody knew they got a damage amp

[minor gust]

The only way was to tell your guildie is to not damage those adds

[gaunt owl]

thats smart

[stable fiber]

tbf i was also doing like 4.5m dps during the execute phase

so that helps a lot

15 stack jugg

🤤

[minor gust]

Then you got assigned into the last prison set and get no SD procd

And lose your Jugg stacks

[eternal edge]

losing stacks was so painful

[gaunt owl]

it took them too long to remove the stack

was fun when you could maintain them

but really frustrating when dropping just before execute

[stable fiber]

me and the rogue didnt get assigned

was told to crank boss

[minor gust]

Hell yeah

[minor gust]

Idk it wasn't really fun to maintain them because you just had the WA do everything for you

[eternal edge]

lucky warrior

[stable fiber]

i had to use 1 gcd on rally

so like

-500k dps or smth

[minor gust]

Gg

[gaunt owl]

yeah it was pretty much braindead with the WA

[minor gust]

Press execute when you hear the noise beep

[gaunt owl]

lets blame WA

for promoting brainrot

[olive nest]

Jug gone blessing

[latent moss]

im sorry...

in my defense it wasnt my idea

blame aagard

[minor gust]

[olive nest]

Best WA

[dire hinge]

tbh i just miss hearing a sword ring when the boss hit execute phase

now i gotta watch its HP

[olive nest]

The schwing sound sticks out in my memory as the blade dance from castle nathria wa pack

[minor gust]

My super awesome Hrothmar WA that plays Stereo Saiyan whenever a boss hits 35% or with lust/PI I miss it soooooo much

[dire hinge]

rip pedro lust

[minor gust]

theres ways to get it back. Just a lot of effort I dont wanna do

[eternal edge]

mine goku was screaming "Yurusanaï yo!" xD

[minor gust]

[gaunt owl]

Pedro died for our sin

[gaunt owl]

btw Vegeta Theme > Stereo Saiyan

fight me nerd

[dire hinge]

ngl i had updated mine to just play pinkpanthress

[eternal edge]

i agree if it's original VA (japanese one)

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[boreal remnant]

leveling third warr as arms

wish me luck

[eternal edge]

GL

[worldly rivet]

I've swapped to my outlaw rogue for now until I see the Arms buffs.

[nova marsh]

Im outlaw and frost rn

God i love outlaw

[gaunt owl]

i prefer the US one

[gaunt owl]

heresy

[eternal edge]

it's fair if your native language is english

btw he did a great job too

[proper moth]

Low key devoker might be the move bois no one plays that shit and it pumps

You just have to be a scaley 🤣

[worldly rivet]

Makes it a hard no lol

[eternal edge]

charging style skills is not my fun

[worldly rivet]

It's such a blast. The only annoying part is (just personal opinion) is when you get TOO many resets on BtE it gets a little funky with rotation.

[proper moth]

😂

[north forge]

colossus and chain pulling packs onto bosses lol im only memeing it managed to do OK because it was constant aoe throughout a dungeon but arms defeinitely needs jesus in so many aspects, ST, throughput in general, playstyle, rage gen...

[slow saddle]

I mean playstyle as slayer is fun, when u have rage

[proper moth]

Fingers crossed 17th has good tuning man

Arms apex talents are dog imo

[candid pecan]

well they're not 100% crit chance on aimed shot MM apex talents

but they're not bad either, well the first 2, the last one is

[burnt swallow]

I just tried some trial runs with and without apex talents - apex gave me about 1.5k average dps per dungeon

whats the point of them!

[proper moth]

Apex talent should APEX not here’s heroic strike back for the 9th time lmao
Like make it like MS 100% at 50% hp
Increase crit dam
Execute refunds half or full cost

Warrior dev is actually the warlock dev I’m telling you guys

[rare kite]

idk i quite like our apex. it just needs to hit harder

an extra proc is really nice imo

[proper moth]

I think our apex could just be a regular talent tbh

[rare kite]

compared to most classes that apex just happens and there's no buttons to press i really like ours

[dim basalt]

You could say that about most apex talents ngl

[proper moth]

True , but DH apex are pretty litty don’t add extra buttons. Heroic strike is boring asf

[rare kite]

idk. devourer dh apex 4th talent makes a decent difference but the rest don't have impact on gameplay, it's just really strong

[cursive aspen]

is there any way to track Heroic strike when it becomes avail? I can not see it in the cooldown manager from blizz

[worldly rivet]

I think it's just lazy. We already have something in the class tree which reduces CD.

[proper moth]

Forsure but even havoc is pretty strong double blade dance and 100% eye beam is great

Heroic strike is lazy af man it’s come and gone like 50 times like why not make that buff to MS or execute

[livid plume]

Chance of possible tuning announcement for the 17th today. Please let Arms Colossus be the slow moving, heavy hitting terrestrial killing machine Saurfang always intended it to be 🙏.

That is all.

[sage bison]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[white stratus]

where when plz

[rough phoenix]

Please

[spiral coral]

Arms to A. Fury ends up in S. Fire mage/Arcane get nerfed. Frost becomes the best mage spec. Hpal gets a stupid buff putting them near S, same with havoc, UDK gets a haymaker bringing them down to C, frost gets more love. Devourer gets an insane buff. Balance Druid gets a stupid buff.

I really do hope Blizzard does some crazy shit on the 17th to mess everything up with tier lists and everyone having near locked in comps only to have them thrown out the window.

https://tenor.com/view/its-gonna-be-super-fun-excited-you-will-love-it-so-much-fun-ed-gif-16683544

[obsidian otter]

UHDK and demo lock are so far overtuned that even a 40% aura nerf they will still be ahead of us lol

[spiral coral]

Doesn’t take much arms tuning to crank it to the sky.

[obsidian otter]

id love to see the OP revert nerfs that 60% hurt

and the MS nerf

no way Bloodbath should be hitting harder then MS right now

my fury warrior same ilv as my arms and my bloodbaths hit for 60k+ with no buff stacking MS would only hit that high if i have 3 stacks of MP and 2 stacks of EP..

base MS barly does 20k

[spiral coral]

Blizzard scared of Arms and tuning Blood/Dot effects. Always have. Like the guy tuning arms gets kicked out halfway through their cook every time.

[sharp dust]

I want 10.0 Arms back 🙁

[minor gust]

Weird thats not legion arms

[burnt swallow]

could they just increase the proc rate of heroic strike - that would feel impactful and help bump both st and mt damage

[obsidian otter]

they increased it by 50% in beta

[minor gust]

the proc rate is already pretty high at least in ST. Only starts to fall off in aoe when cleave takes over. Which a simple fix is just making it so FOB can proc it

[obsidian otter]

wile also nerfing the apex CDR by 3 seconds lol

if arms gets a buff we always get a nerf with it

[shadow ibex]

idt they will let fob proc apex

[spiral coral]

Idk why I’m so drunk on compium I just really believe 17th is gonna be wild. Zero precedence to believe so, but, whatever. Ima hope.

[obsidian otter]

FOB does proc it currently cleave does not but because it uses slam when you cleave that is what procs it

[shadow ibex]

problem is cleave cannabalizes the aoe rotation already. they probably specifically made it single target abilities so we keep using MS/OP in aoe

[obsidian otter]

only single target abilities proc heroic strike not cleave

or rend..

[shadow ibex]

yea they probably did that so we keep using ST buttons in aoe

which is fine idea

too bad they dont do any fucking damage

https://tenor.com/view/clown-gif-25799821

[minor gust]

Fob doesnt proc it

[obsidian otter]

FOB makes you use slam which procs HS

[minor gust]

no it doesnt can try it right now

[obsidian otter]

heroic strike is only proc from single target skills slam is one of them

[dire hinge]

to the training dummies

[minor gust]

Fob cannot proc HS

pressing nothing but cleave on dummies not a single proc

its why you dont proc HS as much when doing aoe cuz cleave takes a lot of your globals

[obsidian otter]

im just pressing cleave and getting SD HS proc

[minor gust]

you get SD procs but you dont get HS

so if ur pressing SD ur gonna get a HS not just from pure cleave press

[obsidian otter]

i didnt press any procs just cleave and cs to crushing combo to do mroe cleaves

[minor gust]

I see an EP stack man

why lie to me xD

what is this gas light

im hitting dummies right now only cleave

[dire hinge]

im at 3 minutes and zero HS procs off solely Cleave presses

with and without SS up

[minor gust]

xD

[dire hinge]

pretty sure HS doesn't proc off FoB

[minor gust]

it doesnt

[obsidian otter]

that was me just doing my rotation no ep stacks

[dire hinge]

it's definitely casting Slam too, but no procs

[obsidian otter]

nothing else

[minor gust]

yeah now do it only pressing cleave

you arent gonna get a HS proc

[obsidian otter]

here ill post the clip just pressing cleave

[untold trench]

Well, well, well...

Arms #1 DPS yet again...

Well. Well. Well.

[dire hinge]

yeah im at 5min, no HS procs off just cleave

instant procs the moment i press OP/MS/Execute

[minor gust]

bros got the secret client

[spiral coral]

Idk why that made me actually lol thanks Funky

[minor gust]

im still at no procs Hroth what about you?

[dire hinge]

nada

something else must be proccing it for you, im at 7min and still nothing off pure cleave alone

[minor gust]

it realistically should proc HS becaues it would make sense with everything else that FOB works with

[dire hinge]

agreed, though it might be intentional to simplify our AoE

[minor gust]

the FOB slam works with so many other things but doesnt contribute to our apex for whatever reason

I assume just spaghetti code

[dire hinge]

yee still no procs, calling this one busted at 10min of straight cleavin' no procs

[minor gust]

Quick submit it as a bug!

They will fix on the 17th!

[eternal edge]

Legion arms pls

[minor gust]

gotta log onto a legion private server just to feel something every once and awhile

[obsidian otter]

press cleave got proc

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-dexter-morgan-idk-gif-2440520923239485215

[sharp dust]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-white-persian-guardian-why-gif-226619277284015619

[nova marsh]

It could be something broken with training dummies

I member when infinite stars was borderline impossible to proc on training dummies

[dire hinge]

hmm, i was in Colossus AoE, but i see you're in Slayer

[minor gust]

@smoky kayak thoughts?

I was in slayer too got no procs

so idk how thats even possible

[shadow ibex]

If i had to guess

Sweeping

The sweeping slam is procing it

[dire hinge]

nah i tested Sweeping on Colossus and nothing

[obsidian otter]

maybe its the human race

[dire hinge]

my guess would be slayer strike if anything

(im also human)

[dense sphinx]

sweeping works on fob slam?

[minor gust]

always has

[nova marsh]

Yes

[shadow ibex]

If not sweeping then slayer strikes yea

[dense sphinx]

lmao ok

[obsidian otter]

that could be it to

[minor gust]

again cant be becaise I was also testing as slayer

[obsidian otter]

maybe it is slayer strike procing it

[shadow ibex]

Its gotta be sweeping then

If you both were slayer

[dire hinge]

could you send me your talents you were using @obsidian otter ?

[shadow ibex]

Do you have some trinket that does instant dmg?

[minor gust]

im testing with keeping SS up

[shadow ibex]

Trinket dmg unintentional maybe

[obsidian otter]

im on rogue now about to ding 90 trying to get my M0s done on him but i will after i hit 90 in like 10-15 mins

[minor gust]

has to be something rare cuz how long did it take you to get that proc Jet you were going at it for awhile

[dire hinge]

im 3min in, no buttons other than SS and Cleave and still zero procs

[smoky kayak]

you talking about cleave proccing HS?

[obsidian otter]

my AMD recourder wasnt working had to swap recording

[minor gust]

yeah about FOB procing HS

[smoky kayak]

it couldn't before; it had been reported as a bug, so they might have fixed it

there were some hotfixes today, but that's not something that would be visible in spell data

[minor gust]

me and hroth have been trying for like 10 min at a time

no procs

[dense sphinx]

but like 3 of them were testing together and only jet procced

[dire hinge]

yeah i can't seem to replicate it at all

[minor gust]

but somehow Jet is able to get a proc

[shadow ibex]

Anyone in warmode

[dire hinge]

never

[obsidian otter]

hey i just play the game dont be upset at me for it lol

[smoky kayak]

if it was hotfixed, it may be funky, cause those changes don't all always go out at the same time

[shadow ibex]

Do you have an instant dmg trinket or smth

[smoky kayak]

but it could have also been some weird server delay stuff, it's really hard to tell unless you can replicate it reliably

[obsidian otter]

no i run haste proc and crit proc trinkets

[smoky kayak]

my suggestion would be to log it and do nothing but spam cleave to avoid false positives

[dire hinge]

hmmm wait a sec

[minor gust]

yeah I cant replicate this at all unless mans on the ultimate gaslight goal and used AI for that video

[dire hinge]

i see an opportunist proc in your UI that vanishes when you cast Cleave for some reason

[obsidian otter]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[shadow ibex]

Latency probably it then

[fresh spire]

CC stacks don't decrease on the GCD

:sus:

[shadow ibex]

Were the globals before the proc empty

[dire hinge]

Before the proc:

As soon as it procs:

[fresh spire]

its overpower into a slayer strikes animation

[shadow ibex]

So that wasnt a cleave cast

[minor gust]

you never know!

[dire hinge]

but i see Cleave being pressed, so idk

[shadow ibex]

Yea i figured it was no way thats cleave animation

But im not human

The animation at start of clip is OP

[dense sphinx]

#showtooltip Cleave
/cast Overpower

[minor gust]

@obsidian otter why video deleted

[dire hinge]

yeah that's what it was, you cast Overpower. Your character (human) lifts its left leg and does an over-the-shoulder swing

Cleave (human) is a right-leg-lifting animation

[fresh spire]

bros been caught smh

[shadow ibex]

And i assume has DN?

[dense sphinx]

does jet have cleave and op macroed together

[shadow ibex]

So that's why aoe numbers

[sage bison]

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-lmao-meme-lmao-gif-lol-lol-cat-gif-4552813418803199403

[minor gust]

Detective Hrothmar on the case

[dire hinge]

im always down for science, doesn't bother me 🙂

we should all question everything as much as we can all the time

[minor gust]

so confirmed gaslight attempt

[fresh spire]

i wish i could use external emojis smh

[shadow ibex]

Did he not lose a sweeping stack tho

[dire hinge]

nah, valid question backed by example! No judgement here, that was nice to confirm it!

[fresh spire]

he did before the GCD

[dire hinge]

Cleave consumes your SS stacks as well, just happens after the animation bc it's the Slam that consume it, and the animations are staggered

Cleave Swing -> Slam Swing (SS consumed here) -> GCD reset

[fresh spire]

consumes when the following FOB animation goes off

[dire hinge]

i fix

[fresh spire]

🐐

[minor gust]

🐐

[dire hinge]

write that down, write that down

rollin up to raid with one of these +3 strength pots from Arcantina that make me taller (i will be parsing poorly tonight)

[smoky kayak]

that's going in the book!

[fresh spire]

[dire hinge]

putting my grocery list in the death note

[smoky kayak]

if anyone was wondering how @obsidian otter got the feelycraft badge, this is why

[dire hinge]

i thought it was a great question and they provided evidence so they get my gold star for the day 🏆

it's going on the GOOD NOODLE BOARD

[smoky kayak]

yeah, except he got so embarrassed he deleted it, no star for him

[smoky kayak]

also that's a cup, not a star, smh my head

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-lol-the-simpsons-marge-lisa-gif-8714260

[dire hinge]

a cup to hold the stars 🙇‍♂️

[dense sphinx]

im just guessing he macro'd cleave and op together as a lazyman buttonmash during aoe

[dire hinge]

it's not the worst idea, but if you press it before the GCD is available it'll lock in the wrong cast

[smoky kayak]

unlikely, since you can't normally macro those together

[minor gust]

what a weird set of events that just happened

[dense sphinx]

wont op go off if cleave is on cd?

[smoky kayak]

only way to do it is with a cast sequence, which would be horribly inefficient

[fresh spire]

what you posted earlier was correct

[smoky kayak]

no, macros explicitly do not work that way to avoid one-buttoning

[minor gust]

it was probably just a showtooltip cleave cast op macro

[fresh spire]

stack lowered on tooltip for op stacks while the CC stakcs didn't change

[dire hinge]

i thought the Crushing Combo stacks did go down though, which is what confused me

[minor gust]

why go outta your way like that to appear right lmao

[fresh spire]

nah it didnt, the number on the button went down but stacks on top right stayed 2, thats why i realised something was off

[obsidian otter]

they did go down it was no macro lol

[dense sphinx]

right so either castsequence or its just cast op in the macro lul

[dire hinge]

ah nvm i lied they stayed 2 before and after

[fresh spire]

[shadow ibex]

opportunist vanishing

[minor gust]

Either gaslight or fat finger I will accept either

[smoky kayak]

the macro would only ever try to cast the top most ability yeah

[dire hinge]

a secret third thing:
sometimes it just be doin that

[thick hamlet]

is it too early to know what arms' stat prio should be like generally speaking

[minor gust]

Stat prio is whatever top gear sims tells you to wear

[thick hamlet]

to put in a different way, if significant tuning is expected for arms, does that mean stat prio would change as well?

[minor gust]

no for something to change what stats we want would require big reworks

tuning will change nothing

[thick hamlet]

gotcha, thanks

[smoky kayak]

crit > haste> everything else

and yeah, its extremely unlikely that any tuning they do will meaningfully change the stat priority

[flint cedar]

I got excited when they posted some blue patch notes 9th - but apparently its some evoker, priest and shaman bugs.

[minor gust]

we wont see notes for the 17th till thurs or friday

[flint cedar]

Well crossing fingers then - I have a raid spot in my guild regardless but I would much rather not put them through hell

[smoky kayak]

just play hard mode, who doesn't like a challenge?

[flint cedar]

I am going to! I just don't want to be the "Oh he just adorable!" spec

[vapid spire]

Isnt mastery a prio stat this season ?

[dense sphinx]

since when lol

[minor gust]

idk what made you think that but mastery is in the spot its always been good just not as important when stats are low rn

[vapid spire]

Isnt it giving us flat extra % dmg now ?

[dense sphinx]

yes but that doesnt mean its better than crit haste

[shadow ibex]

its always been just a % dmg inc just dont have to apply it now

idt the bleed part of old DW was affected much at all by mast

besides buffing itself ofc

[vapid spire]

Ratio is kinda high rn

[minor gust]

[glacial pebble]

honest question is arms actually unplayable

[dire hinge]

its playable, but if everybody in your raid is playing perfectly you'll be on the bottom

Fury is tankier, does more dps, and is generally safer, but there's nothing wrong with playing arms still.

[flint cedar]

currently in a dungy - 120k on multitarget - Single target on boss tank beats me 😛

Bear tank so I dont feel bad

[dire hinge]

true, they're the 3rd highest melee atm

[hybrid needle]

Just wait until you see monks, they laugh at you even on mt

[dense sphinx]

arms can keep up on overall but ST just stinks

oddly enough if they just flat aura buff arms then the overall is gonna be S tier?

probably just get targeted ST buffss

surely

[minor gust]

Depends on the level of the game you primarily play. You can play whatever and do fine in most parts of the game besides the very high end.

[fading isle]

MS is above cleave by 3k-7k dps

it is one of the worst balancing I ever seen

and CLEAVE is being buffed with no reason at all and just keep nerfing the other "rotational" spells

like if that's gonna fix Arms problems

[silk spade]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

[shadow ibex]

they are pretty lucky only like 12 of us prog as arms

if a real spec was out here using aoe buttons in ST blizz would be raked across the coals

[dire hinge]

8 more days till changes

hoping they nerf us (doing too much aoe)

[fading isle]

Like, they delete the talent from OP (buffing 10% or 20% MS or Cleave) and they also NERF IT in a blue that it clearly said to "buff spec where they're below their liking".

[flint cedar]

I am now borderline excited to see what the changes would be. Surely Blizzard knows by now to some degree of last weeks metrics and upcoming that Arms needs a little bump.

[dire hinge]

nothing important happens in the next 8 days anyways, so im not sweating it too much tbh

prep whatever you want to, we have tons of time

[fading isle]

I'm expecting 15% buff fury & 25% arms and 20% MS

and maybe revert the nerf of Arms rage regen

like, I can only press 1 MS every 10 sec because there's no Charge to get more rage

or Cleave

where now it depends 100% of the haste

30% haste to be playable state

[sharp dust]

+15% rage gain + slam/HS now does AoE

[flint cedar]

They could also just break us entirely and make Cleave cost 2 fury. - Oh the fun we would have

[sharp dust]

Maybe same as MoP, MS now gains 20 rage

[spark harbor]

Our stat prio for PvP is V,H,M,Cr right?

[obsidian otter]

yeah crit is heavy reduced in pvp

[dense sphinx]

just remove windfury effect from skyfury and buff rage gen baseline

[spark harbor]

Ok ty

[shadow ibex]

Doing keys without an enh is gonna be so ass

[glacial pebble]

Im doing mythic raiding

[hybrid needle]

Do you play in a world10 guild?
Yes? > dont play arms
No? > play arms if u want

[obsidian lance]

13, count with me. I want 3k io on S1

[minor gust]

whats your guild world rank. While yes if your mythic raiding you always feel obligated to play whats best, but your avg CE guild is losing to mechanic checks and surviving than dps checks

so you cna play whatever

[dense sphinx]

buff arms and revvez pop off in wfr

surely

[glacial pebble]

Hopefully they buff it on the 17th

[nova marsh]

Still imagine fury would be brought over arms

[minor gust]

they are likely gonna buff it multiple times throughout the season its that bad

[nova marsh]

Even if we get buffed

[minor gust]

which is why it will prob be fine enough for prog for 90% of the playerbase

[nova marsh]

Does this mean we'll be in evrey tuning hotfix?

[sage bison]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/witchcraft-magic-ball-witch-spell-gif-16744710

[sage bison]

gonna drop an 8% aura and tell us to have fun

[dense sphinx]

we need like 40% ST at least

[nova marsh]

I mean honestly our st gonna be p mid

[pulsar elk]

you guys just running the colo m+ builds for m0s? trash/aoe/cleave feels great but my boss dmg is severely lacking

[nova marsh]

Arms truly is cope till s2 angle

[nova marsh]

Yeah thats just how colo is

[pulsar elk]

wondering if any other builds are fun to try out for m0 since everything dies fast

[nova marsh]

Slayers there

[pulsar elk]

indeed brother indeed 🙁

[nova marsh]

Tbh colos st has always been pretty....meh

Never this bad i dont think thou

[quiet bramble]

kinda aight until rage regen cant keep up

[nova marsh]

Honestly feel like thats why arms is cooked till s2

I highly doubt they'll touch the economy at all in the season

[dense sphinx]

i mean even if u play slayer your ST is still trash

[quiet bramble]

feels handicapped

[nova marsh]

I mean I think thats just the spec in general

[vapid spire]

What does ST means ? I feel like im not connecting the dots

[nova marsh]

Single target

[sage badge]

Single target

[vapid spire]

Oh yeah that make sense

[pulsar elk]

yeah so if i swap to a slayer build that doesnt COMPLETELY fuck over my aoe i go from simming 29k to 32k on patchwerk

yiiikes

[nova marsh]

What ilvl?

[pulsar elk]

im only 233 im just starting my m0 grind and tryna not be 10k dps beneath everyone on bosses

[nova marsh]

[pulsar elk]

okay?

you strike me as the type of person that spends more time on here than ingame lol

[dense sphinx]

arms ST is currently dogshit no matter how u spec so

just spec better aoe and have fun in aoe

[pulsar elk]

yeahhh at least our aoe slaps

the 4x cleave with cds and ravager up is peak

[warped solstice]

If you don't want to be below everyone else on meters currently... play Fury... Hopium for a good buff in the tuning pass next week because I like Arms a lot more than Fury. 🫠

[quiet bramble]

wait ravager on slayer?

[minor gust]

you will still be ontop for overall and thats what matters!

[pulsar elk]

ahh okay right on ill see if i can find another weapon and sim it, def curious what the difference is between fury and arms rn

[nova marsh]

I mean I dont play arms rn

[pulsar elk]

nooo definitely not @quiet bramble

[sage bison]

was 9k for me on ST

[nova marsh]

Im playing frost and waiting for keys lol

[pulsar elk]

damn yeah thats bonkers

[sage badge]

Yeah, I'm playing warlock

[nova marsh]

I mean frost m+ is pretty trash st tio

[pulsar elk]

with dungeon slice or patchwerk?

@sage bison

[sage bison]

patchwerk, dungeon slice is always dogshit

[pulsar elk]

oh duh u said

ahh is it? damn

ive been trusting it

[quiet bramble]

2h?

[sage bison]

my prot also sims like 3k less ST than my arms too

[nova marsh]

Unfortunately na

[pulsar elk]

lol jfc

[quiet bramble]

damn it

[warped solstice]

IIRC, 5 target Patchwerk for AoE sims.

[nova marsh]

I wish, the st with dual weild frostbane is...really mid

[quiet bramble]

mf blizz cant even make frostbane for 2h

[pulsar elk]

ret feels fantastic rn, thats my main atm

[nova marsh]

I mran you can

I just didnt get vet drops for 2h

[pulsar elk]

i think the fact that we arent taking the lvl 90 talent is like a massive red flag developmentally

every other class ive touched its like a huge dps jump why is it so lame on arms lol

kinda weird you even have the option to put the points back into the arms tree imo

maybe more classes do that then im aware of but just feels bad

[quiet bramble]

even hard prey gave me the same 2 rings

[warped solstice]

I wish they'd just permanently replace Slam. 🤷‍♂️

[pulsar elk]

agreed slam hasnt felt good to press like ever

wotlk proc was the last time i enjoyed pressing slam lol

[nova marsh]

I don't care about slam

[warped solstice]

Last time Slam felt impactful was when it had a cast time. 😂

[pulsar elk]

heroic strike just feels very lame compared to what Ret got

[nova marsh]

I just wish 4th talent was anything besides CDR

[pulsar elk]

right!!

[nova marsh]

Honestly

HS is clunky, but not Frost's apex clunky

fucking christ I hate that on e

[pulsar elk]

i havent touched my fdk since prepatch

[nova marsh]

I think my favorite apex is Outlaw's thou

That one just feels nice

[quiet bramble]

mid sfx and animation, mid proc

[warped solstice]

IMHO, they should replace Slam with a spender that just stacks a damage increase on your next MS.

[quiet bramble]

just a reskin slam

[pulsar elk]

idk what it was but they i hated it after maining it s3, repeaers mark no longer changing the icon just psised me off for some reaosn lol

[nova marsh]

Hey you wonna know what's really funny

[warped solstice]

Give us beeeeg MS again.

[nova marsh]

...they were going to do that

slam was literally going to be added to MP (or soften them up as it was called at time) for a few months on beta/alpha

[warped solstice]

Honestly, that sounds awesome.

[nova marsh]

yeah and it was going to stack to 3, but it was a low value they could've tuned up

[warped solstice]

When I play Arms I just wanna see huge numbers. Not a bunch of piddly Slam hits.

[nova marsh]

I don't think evreything needs to big numbers

but MS absoutlely should be

[warped solstice]

Right. Big MS, big Executes.

Everything else 🤷‍♂️

[nova marsh]

I wanted exe to be able to stand on it's own two feet

same with MS

But...Yet another thing lost to beta/alpha

[wind hatch]

Im pretty sure that iteration of martial prowess is still in

[nova marsh]

Does slam add to MP?

[nova marsh]

Oh it's the exact same

[wind hatch]

I'm pretty sure it used to be 10% though

[nova marsh]

Honestly thought they took slam off it

[wind hatch]

5% feels like too little

[nova marsh]

it does yeah

But I feel like they gutted multipliers across the board

[warped solstice]

Right, I meant Slam should just add it's damage to the next MS by default. MP could still be a talent on top of that.

Just so you get big ol MS

[nova marsh]

honestly part of why I like frost

is because Killing machine feels like what MS/cleave should be

[quiet bramble]

that oomph proc

[nova marsh]

Yup

Really makes frost feel so good when you're just sending KMs back to back

[obsidian otter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jqHzqhXcmVxiasg1eBPpqF 2/8 of my world tour done on my alt and he already sims higher then my arms 🙁 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hx3yRaxVjLcVoRJYN8JoLw and almost as much as my fury slayer.. and hes still in 180 items https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n525QgeWwvKyNBYbMXhJnR

[fading isle]

anything else > warrior

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/469GLHEtC4ZrN9p8PZjzaN Mage if reroll
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sxMkZerpuD4Aju6w4D8wdb Main
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pC4xU9LnSp9pdkcLTeugHM alt if luck

not ST optimized, maybe 42k fury and 39k alt

[obsidian otter]

2 fury warriors?

[fading isle]

Lol I just noticed

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oqVLMTG9DaskQE7wAZN46o arms slayer st (I don't have the stats :))
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gJDshgGGP7WVYD2DqZvTNV fury slayer st
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nXmfYCAVKCouBvzar7RKm3 Raid mage test

[obsidian otter]

hows frost?

[fading isle]

super ez

[obsidian otter]

the beam looks cool

[fading isle]

It's so damn easy compared to fury or arms gameplay

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/590333020737634333/1333138506612211752/--.gif

[obsidian otter]

thats how it feels on sub rogue.. now at 90 you get two finishers per max combo points just back to back lol so instead pressing 1 and 2 for single target you press 1 -2-2 1-2-2

and aoe is 4-5-5-4-5-5 lol

litterly 2 buttons for both

[fading isle]

how the hell my aoe talents did the same or more dmg than the st talents

this is so cooked

[obsidian otter]

fury slayer only changes 1 dps talent from aoe to single target pretty much

[fading isle]

thats so bad

before it was 3 talents

[pulsar elk]

yeah somehow even with a 214 offhand, swapping to mountain fury simmed 16k dps higher than m+ colo build on ST lmfao

soo as much as i love arms ima play fury cuz thats absurdd

29k vs 45k lol

[fading isle]

can we hire mage developer to develope warrior balancing

[vapid spire]

Nononono he gonna transform us into some axe throwing mage

[pulsar elk]

lmaoo

[fading isle]

make it a new spec like the dh

we use intelect now

gg

[pulsar elk]

wrecking throw build

[vapid spire]

Ugg Me no use intellect

Warrior go BRRRRR

[pulsar elk]

i do appreciate midnight giving warriors gag order (ranged silence) even if its only for npcs

[obsidian otter]

the fact i can open up with two abilities and do 600k dps as a class 30 ilv lower compared to poping every cd i have on arms and barly can hit 200k..

[pulsar elk]

amount of times its saved me from leaping and interupted is countless already

lol wtf are u doing 600k dps on??? devourer??

devastation?

[vapid spire]

Shrooms

[obsidian otter]

sub rogue

their shadowclone aoe is dumb

[pulsar elk]

damnnnn ill have to peep

next alt perhappss

[obsidian otter]

your auto attacks strike up to 7 nearby targets for 65% damage..

like how are daggers cleaving autos and arms two hander cant do that..

[glacial pebble]

is it possible to go slayer in m+

[obsidian otter]

yeah its possible

[glacial pebble]

is it viable?

[minor gust]

currently anything is viable. Future is not certain depends what or how blizz buffs arms

We are currently just stuck waiting for the next tuning notes

[pulsar elk]

are we expecting tuning tomorrow morning?

or will it come the 17th presumably

or do we just not know

[dire hinge]

zero knowledge of anything

[pulsar elk]

ROGER ty

[dire hinge]

they announced they wont do any further tuning until the 17th, but there's no promise any changes to Arms will actually happen

[minor gust]

well likely see notes for tuning on the 17th either thurs or friday

[slow saddle]

Was called a tuning patch 2day as welø

I bet 5% nerf demo + 5% nerf uh dk and a 3% arms buff via rend

[daring heron]

no shot they buff our bleeds lmao

[slow saddle]

Nono initial dmg

Has 2 be ducked up

[obsidian otter]

unholy DK at ilv 240 sims higher then 288 arms.. let that sink in

[glacial pebble]

oof

wat the hell did they do to arms

[slow saddle]

Lets not shit on dk

Arms does less than half of demo warlock

Heck col arms is 66k, demo 150 ish so closer 2 3 x

[pulsar elk]

id like to see them buff arms by making demo hit 10x harder

idgaf

[slow saddle]

Playing uhdk and having burst evrry 1.5m feels good

[pulsar elk]

ret is every 30s it feels greattt

[slow saddle]

Remove avatar

Let cs increased dmg taken be increased to take us to 90k dmf aura buff for rest

30sec class

With burst

Then we can use 1.5m 2m 3m trinkets as well

[soft dew]

They just need to nerf Demolish a bit more before the 3% aura buff

[stable fiber]

demo is like 125k

both dk hero talents gap it

[vast helm]

SAVE ARMS pls.

[slow saddle]

Demo deffo is top

So thats wrong

Unless they omega sandbaggin

[stable fiber]

unholy dk

is far more ST

[dense sphinx]

arms + feral = bleed city

[rare kite]

no shot, they clearly hate bleeds since they nerfed cut to the bone from 40% to 15%

[daring heron]

exactly

[minor gust]

we can get to 5% still

[rare kite]

i'm surprised decimator applies deep wounds at 100% effectiveness. drop it down to 50%

[slow saddle]

deffo not

Demonology warlock has been doin more st in bis gear

[thorn stream]

Both are busted

[quiet bramble]

Zzzzzzz

[carmine flower]

our buffs come with the 2set bonus 🤪

[halcyon valve]

What even is the tier set

I forgor

[untold trench]

To this day, I dont get why OF aura buff isn't done to the baseline at least it would a tiny partial fix of OF being weak feeling af at its core

[quaint otter]

why of got mc part removed

[untold trench]

To make ppl on the forums stop justifying OF low damage, as they see it as an empowered WW cast in function

[quaint otter]

🤯

Tbh of feels stronger now

Not giga but still...

[dim basalt]

Feels okay-ish ye

I imagine Fury to do nasty things once 4p is there tho

cd will be really low with the 4p

[untold trench]

As always, more casts, will cause OF to do more overall dam

[dim basalt]

Padding in raid will go stonks

Maybe not TWW S1 levels of stonks but uh

[untold trench]

Should be, if the fights allow for it - no clue how they are designed

Would be hillarious if they nerf OF baseline, because of the raid and tierset

[eternal edge]

What is OF for the war? Don't remember all English abbreviations

[dim basalt]

Odyns Fury

[eternal edge]

Oh thanks 👍

Didn't think about fury here 😅

[fresh spire]

im fully expecting an undertune aura which doesn't include a cleave nerf leaving. still low st and aoe is more stupid

probs need like 25% to be close to the pack but fully expecting 15%

Prove me wrong blizzard

[daring heron]

6% aura

[fresh spire]

200% to slam

[dim basalt]

Expecting a buff >10% for heroic week is almost a copium overdose

[spiral coral]

Warrior dev 360 with the wrist cooking up the best tune ever

[royal meteor]

Simd my char last night at 39,767...did today and its showing 44,876...huh

[thick kelp]

Default consumes got updated to midnight consumes

[quaint otter]

arms deleted

[slender sonnet]

1% to MS

They don’t want us playing arms

[eternal edge]

isn't the case already? xD

[jovial hare]

time for a 20% cleave buff and Ms now heals enemies baybeee

[weak rain]

suddenly even furry looks meh now

warrior is doomd

[worldly rivet]

Apex talent capstone should just take Skullsplitter and bake it into the HS.

Instantly eats bleeds on target with HS. May be annoying having to press rend against though.

[quaint otter]

better bake df3 set into heroic strike

so it has aoe value and refreshed rends

also fits class fantasy

[thick hamlet]

if they revert the 20% nerf to execute and ms, would that be enough

[slow saddle]

No

I say again dk sims 130ish arms 70k? Demo 150

Most specs are 100k + -

[tiny kayak]

And make ravager passive proc like prot

[worldly rivet]

Feels like they have to do something (wishful thinking). The 4th point is extremely dull even for WoW standards.

The only one more boring is Feral's but they at least get a constant 15% damage increase from it.

[quaint otter]

How about no?

[marble valve]

HS 100% crit at least

[worldly rivet]

HS causes MS to crit and splash 300% of its damage to nearby targets uncapped. Also puts permanent deep wounds on targets.

[quaint otter]

Way too balls

[unborn canyon]

HS deletes every spec above us permanently from the game

[quaint otter]

Offtopic a bit anyone knows where to get second spark on alt?

Dont have a world tour quest there

[safe jay]

you have to talk with siridormi at the inn to skip the campaign

i had the same issue on alt

[quaint otter]

big

ty

[safe jay]

[livid cloak]

Hitting rend after every heroic strike sounds so awful

[worldly rivet]

True. I'm just thinking of where they can add extra power to the apex talent and make sense.

Could easily just reapply like someone else said.

[livid cloak]

They could even keep same design philosophy but remove desync by making the cdr apply to avatar, cs, demolish, and bladestorm

[latent moss]

nah they should rework it

and add everything to am

[livid cloak]

Or remove avatar and juice cs

[latent moss]

why is demolish on its own cdr

[weak rain]

What if they made HS cast rend at 50% effect(or 100%, whatever) with full dot

[latent moss]

same with bs

its so stupid

[weak rain]

so you don't have to press stupid rend

also rend is bugged or something, it doesn't apply dot on some targets

[proper moth]

Just delete arms call it a day. Can’t complain about bad design if it ceases to exist

[marble valve]

everything except more dot plz

[livid cloak]

I did m0 world tour last night and slayer felt really fun, my damage was ass but it felt fun to play

[vapid spire]

Onlyfans, fury warriors are doing some extra work to not get nerfed

[eternal edge]

good one xD

[high snow]

go play the meta chuld

[worldly rivet]

I play Slayer so I don't have to use ravager lol

[high snow]

ravager is awesome lol i think a lot of you dont know how to play arms tbh

[clear totem]

They even said arms sucked in M+ season 3 of war within n I still managed to do 11 million dps in a 16 priory so

[livid cloak]

Nah ravager sucks, it was cool when it had unhinged and sweeping strikes, now it literally does nothing but generate some rage and buff cleave

Its a dogshit button now

[clear totem]

If you enjoy what you play and put in the work to be good at it, you can't go wrong in WoW, the meta means nothing

[wary steppe]

i do 60k ST dps with my demo lock and 38K by trying very hard with my Arms on the same boss same group how is that fine

[clear totem]

Demo lock is the meta right now

38k isn't even that bad at our current gear level in a M0 anyways, 60k is just a lot

[livid cloak]

I was doing 18s and 19s on arms in s3 (not pre patch) you eventually run into a dps wall and a "can't get invited" wall if you play non meta

But you can get pretty far

[clear totem]

Yeah but 18s and 19s is still top 1% of M+ players

[livid cloak]

Not title though

[shadow ibex]

I really can't believe ravager still exists lmao

[livid cloak]

[shadow ibex]

This button is so fucking stupid

[livid cloak]

Yeah ravager is soooo dumb

Its been watered down so hard

[shadow ibex]

Its literally just another button to press in aoe

Does 8 dmg on its own

[clear totem]

Yeah but you see the point. The meta exists at 20s and up for a reason, it doesn't apply until you get to that point, and for 99.5% of the player base it literally doesn't make a difference if you gear properly and play the class well

[lone raft]

i think the armor pen from HS should last longer

how high do you get, most I ever got on a dummy was 6

but I’m also dogshit

[slow saddle]

It matters way earlier

[slow saddle]

Its not supposed 2 stack particularly high

[lone raft]

it would reward stack uptime and make it ramp up

[slow saddle]

No

Why

[lone raft]

for execute phase no?

[slow saddle]

Are ppl so dumb

Pls

What do u think happens if we have a ramp effecr

And fight is short

[lone raft]

idk dude I’m a noob in the arms discord asking a question

[slow saddle]

We cant attack bosd

But think

So

In gen st goal is prob bout a 100k

As an example

2 hit a 100k dmg in this scenario we would need 100% uptime and proc luck, in entire fight

[lone raft]

but over the entirety of the dungeon you want to maintain stacks

between packs idk

[slow saddle]

1player dies

U stop

Stacks fall of

[lone raft]

git gud

[slow saddle]

U do 0 dmg

[lone raft]

yea it’s flawed

[clear totem]

If you're pugging then yeah. Not if you're in a guild that doesn't care and runs unique comps

[lone raft]

compared to other classes

[slow saddle]

So u c any kind of ramp is ass

[lone raft]

then they gotta increase the armor pen it does

[slow saddle]

No?

It does exactly what its suppposes 2

Add a bit of dmg via rng

And adds hs

The budget is 100k dmg. Binding that up in that is just bad

[shadow ibex]

You dont want it to stack a lot

[slow saddle]

Just buff cs

Or ms or op or exe

[shadow ibex]

Or you be tuned around a lot of stacks and buttons do even less damage baseline

[slow saddle]

This

[worldly rivet]

If you're asking me to choose between bladestorm and ravager I'm picking bladestorm 100/100 times.

[latent moss]

can i choose neither

[slow saddle]

If i could choose rav on slayer

[wary steppe]

it was with BL full pots flasks enchants every consume and 239 ilvl and the lock is 236

[slow saddle]

Id do it

[latent moss]

rav on slayer owned in tww in execue

just exe spam

[slow saddle]

Yup

[latent moss]

breaks the insanely monotonous rotation

exe exe exe/op ms

idk imo i dont think the design is that bad rn

[slow saddle]

Dont have rage for this atm

[latent moss]

its just

same old shit

same playstyle for ages now

[slow saddle]

We lack ze rage

Is the issue

And the dam

[shadow ibex]

I hate it

Same shit for years

[latent moss]

which is prob why people who have been playing arms for a long time are not satisfied at all but you see new players happy with the gameplay

[slow saddle]

I played arms for 20

I dont mind it at all, gameplay eisr

Slayer that is

[shadow ibex]

Slop enjoyers

[slow saddle]

Collosus needs god

[shadow ibex]

Slayerslop

[tepid citrus]

I like the way Arms feels. Just give me more dps. kthx

[slow saddle]

Misaligned cds is bad

[latent moss]

i always hated slayer arms

idk why i just dont like it

[slow saddle]

Its way better now

I mean 5sec bladestorm...

Is cursed ngl

[latent moss]

i have like

10% haste atm

bladestorm is 9 years long

[quaint otter]

Play spec with one cd profit