With the 20%haste, that's a lot of ticks.
#arms
tawdry bear
obsidian lance
Yeah, because of this, the bliz will change the number to fit the meta. I just make the idea. The number is a exemple
But is a fact: we need more than a simple avatar thing, with dmg increase
obsidian otter
Bladestorm doesn’t actually do more damage hits from haste it just does them faster so you can get back into your rotation faster. Like 5s bladestorm and say haste speeds it up to 3.5s you would do say 10 ticks faster but still doing the same damage as the 5s bladestorm. It’s why fury bladestorm is better atm it’s doing same damage as arms but arms is 5s and fury is 3.5s and both get sped up BT haste so guy with enrage already has a even faster bladestorm
tawdry bear
Still, that would stack the 5% buff faster.
obsidian otter
As long as they counted the unhinged hits yea
flint cedar
well I was sustaining 98k on the 5 pack dumdums which made me smile - for single target I started off prepot - charge - SS - CS - AV - and BS followed by norm rotation - Started off strong at 52k for a few seconds and diminished to 29k sustained.
obsidian otter
That’s why in for the kill was so good because if we had 20-25 base haste and pop CS going to 40% haste our bladestorm was 3.5s cast
Instead blizzard puts it at end of bladestorm 😢
flint cedar
obsidian otter
Removing that from Cs made no sense specially with an apex that lowered CS would have given us a lot more uptime on that haste which making it not terrible
obsidian lance
Removing that from Cs made no sense specially with an apex that lowered CS would...
If the last apex point was increase haste by master of warfare stacks...
2 cd reduce on CS is awkward
The arms balancing team dont play with arms hahaha
minor gust
Removing that from Cs made no sense specially with an apex that lowered CS would...
They removed it just to put it into both hero trees. Prob one of the dumbest changes of midnight besides beinging ava and rav back
main wing
Does powerful momentum affect dreadnaught aoe?
fresh spire
dn already does full damage through base sweep as it procs off target hit not swept
main wing
Gotcha
obsidian otter
2 cd reduce on CS is awkward
It was 5s
The nerfed a already bad talent 😂
Life of arms
obsidian lance
obsidian otter
They removed it just to put it into both hero trees. Prob one of the dumbest cha...
Yup
When it was 5s you pretty much got two CS per Avatar CD in beta CS was like 25s CD
obsidian lance
Bliz have hate for arms, but we still playing haha
80% seasons of each xpac arms is a off meta dps. But we still playing haha. This is be main spec
obsidian otter
The fact arms has not had a builder put in our kit for this long is crazy to me. When auto attacks was the biggest thing in classic it made sense but retail today it’s a GCD game OP should generate rage MS should just be CD no rage cost and our rage dumps should be execute and slam
warped spade
Bladestorm doesn’t actually do more damage hits from haste it just does them fas...
And then AM is tuned the same for all 3 specs but fury spends about 20x more rage than arms
Yet bladestorm is the same initial CD
tawdry bear
The fact arms has not had a builder put in our kit for this long is crazy to me....
Wasn't skull splitter a builder?
Before it became a bleed detonate?
warped spade
The fact arms has not had a builder put in our kit for this long is crazy to me....
I'd rather have hs back as an off gcd spender for excess rage. merge slam and execute for regular spending and remove a keybind More rage/dam in execute range. Without the need to use HS clears up rotation
obsidian otter
I'd rather have hs back as an off gcd spender for excess rage. merge slam and ex...
I would love to not press rend or slam ever again 😂 I always said slayer spec should been execute focused to the fullest! You ain’t slaying if you ain’t executing!
Or make slam rend so it’s like you slam ground hard and it rends the enemies kinda like execute and MS add deep wounds
warped spade
I mean if they make slam turn into execute on SD or sub 35%
I really don't get the slam hate. It's not like it's a new intrusive warrior spell.. is it cause it's been low damage recently?
obsidian otter
I already know we will get a pruning they are priming wow for console. So they can be the biggest console MMORPG. Polly have deal with Microsoft already where if your subbed to gamepass you can play wow 🤯
minor gust
Sorry arms missed the pruning flight
coarse river
just looking at the wowhead guide for the m+ build, howcome it doesnt take Tunderclap over leeching strikes for easy multitarget rend application? in m+ scenarios, or am i missing something in the tree to apply rend to multible targets? even though i've been seaching for it?
dim basalt
just looking at the wowhead guide for the m+ build, howcome it doesnt take Tunde...
Rend is baseline aoe
tawdry bear
I mean if they make slam turn into execute on SD or sub 35%
I really don't get ...
Slam is good. Just ugly.
warped spade
nova marsh
Wasn't skull splitter a builder?
Yes it was
tawdry bear
Yes it was
Your name... do you dislike the spec, or just hate your arms?
nova marsh
Your name... do you dislike the spec, or just hate your arms?
No im salty at how current arms has been handled
Its an overexaggeration
wooden lava
wdym remove arms
I'm a huge fan
we might nto be the best spec
but we're for sure the worst
we're the best at being bad
and that takes skill on the part of our dev
there's a saying, even a broken clock is right twice a day
somehow our guy got it all wrong all the time
that's commendable
tawdry bear
there's a saying, even a broken clock is right twice a day
This was true until you get digital clocks. How many kids do you know that can read a analog clock.
wooden lava
idk if our dev can even read
idk if he even has brain function tbh
he's like
that one case study
where the brain was removed, but the body was able to keep functioning on a biological level
this is our dev
bleak arrow
tuning in to crit and seeing a mage hurts
wooden lava
tuning in to crit and seeing a mage hurts
Crit is like one of those husbands who never get remarried even after their wife passed away
you can be concerned if he starts playing UHDK tho
bleak arrow
just because we have an open marriage doesnt mean it doesnt sting when i see him out 
shadow ibex
somehow our guy got it all wrong all the time
Thats what I'm saying
bleak arrow
wifes not dead, shes just sick and on life support and hes out running around like shes already gone
shadow ibex
Kudos for consistency
wooden lava
Thats what I'm saying
really takes skill, I'm impressed
because if you even play arms at a surface level, I imagine you'd make like a SINGLE good change
moreover
is there no review or secondary set of eyes to check the tuning changes?
nerfing a terrible spec even more is crazy
no rework announced
nothing
shadow ibex
because if you even play arms at a surface level, I imagine you'd make like a SI...
i think thats probably it tbh
just none ever really did
wooden lava
it was the craziest combination of no good changes + a lot of bad changes
it's almost comical
fury always gets away in a decent spot
what is it that's so hard about arms?
shadow ibex
dance of death
daring heron
i curse every spec i play
wooden lava
blew my mind to read an apex talent that was actually good
daring heron
i'm taking them down with me
devout pewter
I just started to enjoy Mage Crit. Please no 🙁
wooden lava
that's how I knew we were fucked
when other class discords were pitying us in their chats
devout pewter
ouch
bleak arrow
they were taking pity on Arms warriors
yeah every discord i go to is like "at least we're not arms, poor one out for the real ones"
wooden lava
we're the starving african children of wow classes
people tell others to be grateful for what they have, because arms warriors exist
thematically
playing arms should be amazing
big 2 hander, swinging that shit forcefully
unholy and ret lean too much into the caster side of things
fury is like adhd
dim basalt
Unholy is exactly what it should be now
wooden lava
true
dim basalt
Too bad that spec never interested me
wooden lava
I just don't know how you can fuck up the "knight with a greatsword" fantasy
dim basalt
Im sure its kinda fun
wooden lava
all you would need to do to make arms at least FEEL fun
is watch that Elder Scrolls Online trailer
dim basalt
Or like Frozen mentioned, PoE warrior
wooden lava
Which version
dim basalt
I believe he said PoE2 earlier
wooden lava
the shield wall build?
wooden lava
poe2 did have some really interesting builds with hammer of the gods
and other slow, hard-hitting abilities
so I can see his point
at the end of the day, warrior is a very physical spec
and arms is the slower one
give it that weight
why tf am i spamming heroic strike
and doing tank dmg
brewmaster beats me on some packs
shit is omega cringe
dim basalt
brewmaster beats me on some packs
Tbf WW is tuned high and they still deal more ST dps when speccing BRM lol
wooden lava
I had a bear dogwalk me on st
actually embarassing
everyone dogwalks me on st
but a tank
holy guacamole
shut token
I actually managed to do similar damage to a bear in single target, that was before he started attacking
proper iron
fury or arms for m0?
full obsidian
furry
obsidian otter
fury or arms for m0?
If slayer is your go to spec fury
shadow ibex
rare furry L
proper moth
Wouldn’t bother with anything u til the 17th
eternal edge
yeah you got a point
sharp dust
17th we get our final nerfs so then we can fully prepare
nova marsh
I had a bear dogwalk me on st
Dude I got dogged on by a healer in a norm
Level scaling is so crazy
dim basalt
Dude I got dogged on by a healer in a norm
Wait until a good resto druid dogs you on 90 as well
timid saffron
whats the best source to follow for arms rotation? wowhead or icyveins or? On wowhead the single target prio seems mistaken cuz it has cleave in the rotation but not in the talent build....
i dont see anything in the pins
minor gust
both guides are made by the same person who runs this discord
wowhead guide is up to date and correct
minor gust
no read the blue question mark
if you have cleave which you will in a multitarget build that is its priority in ST
timid saffron
ok so
i read that but
the "best" builds for raid single and raid multitarget dont have cleave
which is why i think i got confused
for slayer*
referencing slayer cuz it says "best" for raid
minor gust
if you dont have cleave talented you simply ignore it in the priority list
minor gust
all G understandable how it can be confusing at first
timid saffron
thanks
fresh spire
Cleave+mass execution talented makes it more valuable than slam when you don't have massacre taken. Giving that 15% buffer window before execute phase begins where Cleave becomes stronger
obsidian otter
It’s sad I can craft my rogue his 259 dagger.. yet can’t craft a two hander coat 4 sparks…
flint cedar
Cleave ST is real now that its in the wowhead guide
I cannot tell if this is sarcasm Frozen! lol
tacit crystal
Cleave+mass execution talented makes it more valuable than slam when you don't h...
thsi might be the most cursed thing ive read all week
plucky osprey
Hey yall, I know we won't properly know now but based off of the last week will we get buffed ? Or should I quit while I have the time and play enhance or feral.
(Don't want to play fury can't stand they gameplay)
soft dew
Arms is really bad so it should get buffed... Will they buff arms? No clue.
plucky osprey
Mmm thats why I was thinking maybe I just get my other classes ready... God damn it
minor gust
thsi might be the most cursed thing ive read all week
Welcome to arms Gio
nova marsh
Hey yall, I know we won't properly know now but based off of the last week will ...
Play udk and get invs
shadow ibex
they will knee jerk kill the cleave thing once the masses learn about it
so got that to look forward to
eternal edge
Cleave ST is real now that its in the wowhead guide
i'll never do that again,
It's like a return of whirlwind ST
Fucking nonsense
nova marsh
I mean yes it is
nova marsh
Our buttons do damage?
eternal edge
but cleave on ST is a nonsense cause we don't have cleave in ST build btw
nova marsh
but cleave on ST is a nonsense cause we don't have cleave in ST build btw
It's an optimization for M+ ST????
eternal edge
It's an optimization for M+ ST????
should i say ST build? oh yes
full obsidian
is it worth getting blacksmithing for this class rn? at all
nova marsh
It's not like classes don't do weird ass shit for M+ ST to begin with
nova marsh
Yes I do
eternal edge
so
eternal edge
cleave is NOT on ST build
nova marsh
not
for the ST BUILD
obviously
Like I think that's painfully obvious to anyone with half a brain. There's no way cleave and it's pathing would be in anyway shape or form worth it to grab over st talents
it's still not normal to use cleave in ST
Outside of maybe when you had old collat stacks
But that was way more niche then this
eternal edge
so why arguing about what i said? you're right, but me too
there is no problem here, i don't get it
nova marsh
Because part of this is a meme
and I'm confused cuz you seem to think if it's offical we would take in raid
I mean also
eternal edge
well it's my bad then, i def don't get it
nova marsh
part of the reason is because I think it's mostly for colo
Slayer dosen't have any cleave support..oh wait colo dosen't take OAM?
Oh ravager
Not that slayer even takes that
eternal edge
real question here
5 stacks demolish but no CS ready
Should i press anyway or i have to delay?
nova marsh
In past seasons it was always press
eternal edge
yes that's why i ask now
nova marsh
And considering the buff to base demo and nerf to stacks, I imagine it's the same.
eternal edge
mmmm ok
wooden lava
Hey yall, I know we won't properly know now but based off of the last week will ...
Quitting one shitty spec to play another shitty spec (feral) is crazy work
wooden lava
My guildie who is one of the better ferals in the world has been doom posting like me
nova marsh
I mean you could also just go hancer
plucky osprey
Feral is underrated in my opinion in AoE although ST could use a buff for sure
nova marsh
I feel like all the specs I play have kinda bad ST
Cept maybe outlaw. Outlaw ST seems fine
plucky osprey
Yeah i can see that except arcane and DK as whole lol
eternal edge
Cept maybe outlaw. Outlaw ST seems fine
sub is not good in ST?
nova marsh
I don't play sub yet
eternal edge
kk
nova marsh
I'm missing daggers lol
minor gust
Wep enchant on druid but not warrior smh
slender sonnet
crafted wep on druid
so was worth to enchant
not spending gold on an enchant for a veteran track wep
slender sonnet
real
minor gust
reminds me I should craft a wep on my DH
slender sonnet
I was gonna craft a wep on my mage but I changed my mind
and realised I cba to play mage
minor gust
snooze class
slender sonnet
i levelled 3 90s so far
I feel insane
like completely deranged
and my paladin is 83
quiet bramble
Damn arms still uses ravager? 
jade ember
cant hold on to your weapon if you have no arms
tender knot
Any scholars out there with a write up of why arms is under performing? Was curious if it was damage, gameplay, rage gen, etc. Or a combination of factors
wooden lava
All of it.
The current state of arms is a perfect storm of bad changes, lack of good design, and mind boggling nerfs.
Since Dragonflight, there has only been a handful of changes that could even be considered positive.
Comparatively - the pruning, talent reshuffling, and the addition of awful apex talents has made it genuinely the worst spec in the game bar none.
You could argue classes like frost mage or feral have also been dumpstered, but I haven't seen any spec that has been such a complete and total dumpster fire that arms has become.
There's always winners and losers, that's the nature of game design with 13 classes that have 3 or more specs each
But seeing the degradation of arms over the last 2 expansions has been nothing short of impressive
It's almost like our class dev hates us
What I don't get is why the task hasn't been delegated to another individual
If I underperform on a project at work, I would be assigned elsewhere
If you underperform as the arms dev, you apparently get to keep doing it year after year
Not only do you get to keep doing it, but you genuinely get to make the spec worse iteration after iteration
Mind you, specs like Unholy, Enhance, and Devourer exist
Clear identity, tons of fun, and 2 out of 3 are tuned very highly atm and have S-tier potential even after March 17 tuning
We're reaching Shadowlands S1 level of arms design and performance
At least Covenant abilities could fill the gap back then, esp. Night Fae's ancient aftershock
There has been 0 mention of a rework or anything of the sort, so I'm operating under the assumption that arms has been abandoned and is being kept on life support
Come march 17, we'll likely get some aura buffs or just flat out buffs to ST
But it doesn't solve the core issue
hoary palm
They need to rework the spec it feels terrible to play
They promised big mortal strikes instead we got proc warrior
wooden lava
It's built on a faulty foundation, so everything is crooked
Good players actually used to main this spec
Although it was weaker than fury, they were able to make arms work and perform really well
Even those people have long since swapped to fury, because arms is that bad
If you like arms thematically, feel free to play it
Plenty of people do
If you want to perform on warrior, go play fury
If you want arms to be good, just give up hope now
Ive been waiting 2+ years
Or better yet, go expand your horizons by playing classes that are actually good
Ones that will reward your effort in equal measure
Instead of trying to squeeze blood from a stone
rare kite
They promised big mortal strikes instead we got proc warrior
when did they promise that?
thick hamlet
they promised more utility and less reliance on cds
worldly rivet
when did they promise that?
Tbf it is ... You just have to line up fierce follow through, martial prowess, avatar, CS, and hopefully get a crit.
proud remnant
i am shocked at how boring and bad the single target build is
cobalt lodge
What ilvl should i roughly aim for before doing m0 world tour?
slow saddle
What ilvl should i roughly aim for before doing m0 world tour?
200?
I did at 195 np as fury with more than enough dmg
cobalt lodge
Oh so we can just skip heroics? Nice
Im at 204 and a few more world quest upgrades to chase
hybrid needle
Absolutely. Get the 220/230 gear from wqs, the 246 gear from each of the 4 zones and just blast
shut token
Is there a "all purpose" build that works decently in both single target and aoe?
thick kelp
not for this spec, closest you can get is the slayer m+ build
rare kite
Is there a "all purpose" build that works decently in both single target and aoe...
Just go all out on aoe. It does no st anyway
hoary palm
I liked the prework Dragonflight season 1 version of Arms anyone else agree?
spark harbor
man
i just almost got my ass handed to me
by a lvl 86 enh sham with like 100k less hp than me...
im lvl 90
im so cooked
got me to half hp like twice
shut token
Does cleave take priority over slam in single target as either of the hero trees?
dim basalt
Can yall just stop complaining
thorn stream
That’s some huge essay to let us know he doesn’t enjoy playing arms (regardless of tuning)
slow saddle
Instead of trying to squeeze blood from a stone
I mean u always try to squeeze out every morsel of dmg
Arms is not bad if we got 15% more rage, op to give rage at sub 35% oh y and a fuck ton of dmg buffs🤣
The spec is fun plays well with enough rage
Esp if cleave gets toned down
thick kelp
Does cleave take priority over slam in single target as either of the hero trees...
with mass execution in exe phase or during ravager
ashen vapor
I am doing more than ok damage in aoe as arms, but in st I lose to the tank
civic phoenix
🙁
thorn stream
The spec is fun plays well with enough rage
This
thorn stream
Yes exactly
zenith warren
would I miss out on anything if I dont get 90 this reset?
boreal remnant
how fucked is arms warrior?
we're still waiting for tuning on the 17th
currently it's garbage
hopefully a lot of it gets addressed with the first round of tuning
gaunt owl
Arms aura nerf by 13%
halcyon valve
9 days until our spec gets removed from the game
thick hamlet
I am doing more than ok damage in aoe as arms, but in st I lose to the tank
the single target really is laughably bad bth
chrome lava
i must say though, i rly dislike a lot, this new interation of deep wounds
did anyone like more now?
it felt much better to 
someone and get the bleeds going
and it felt better to bladestorm and spread bleeds everywhere
slow saddle
and it felt better to bladestorm and spread bleeds everywhere
Press cleave?
Pray for crit
chrome lava
Press cleave?
🫃🏾
slow saddle
Also why the f do u want 2 spread em
They do more dmg, but arent supposed 2 have same uptime
halcyon valve
🫃
slender sonnet
kachow
shut token
I saw some arms slayers warriors were playing without cleave in their mythic+ builds, is that a thing?
plucky osprey
Where did you see this is gotta see lol
slow saddle
I saw some arms slayers warriors were playing without cleave in their mythic+ bu...
No
In beta it worked
Then 60% dreadnaught nerf
- 20% cleave buff
shut token
Does slayer or colossus feel more like old school arms?
worldly rivet
It does make you wonder how tuning class to class and spec to spec is compared.
You have months of development and class tuning pre expansion release and I don't know how you end up on such different numbers like when comparing UHDK and Arms.
shut token
If we get a buff, what kind of buff will it be do you think=
shut token
I just hope we don´t get another nerf
candid pecan
no shot
worst case they do nothing and then buff us for 25 march
after seeing arms being the lowest of the low on warcraftlogs in raid.
shut token
are we lowest in both st and aoe?
weak rain
how about 30% ms/op/execute
not nearly enough
candid pecan
weak rain
30% aurabuff will put us in the middle KEKW, well a bit higher than middle
so 30% for ms op exe won't be enough to hit middle
50% maybe
misty bridge
maybe 67% would be enough
surely 420% would be enough to hit middle
and a 69% aura buff will put us in the middle KEKW, or maybe a bit higher
untold trench
Gets 30% aurabuff to "go to middle", the 
gets cut off:
Top DPS in all content till nerfs hit for 42%
eternal edge
Imo
Aura buff 30%
20% exec / OP / MS
5% cleave
So we're not good enough but not the last spec
dim basalt
So we're not good enough but not the last spec
When upper middle is called "not good enough" lol
Your suggestion would easily put us above most specs
eternal edge
Really?
I didn't think it was enough, but I trust you then
I thought 15th-20th
And under
dim basalt
30% buff alone puts us on 93k dps, 3k below Fury
chrome lichen
is it true that crests now are gone after 1 week???
dim basalt
exe op ms together make up 38% of our damage, adding 20% on all of them is huge
Flat 100k if my math is mathing
Which means 2nd best melee, tied with SV (based on the existing sims of Ulrias sheet)
gaunt owl
exe op ms together make up 38% of our damage, adding 20% on all of them is huge
that would be a 7% dmg increase
dim basalt
I think my math was not mathing and it should be around 105k-107k in the end
weak rain
Buff depwounds on arms by 200%, nerf cleave by 20%, buff slam/ms/exe/op by 30%
candid pecan
question, if you buff MS by 30%, does that mean you multiply these 2 by 1.3?
and if you Aura buff, is that every single line except Melee (Main Hand) and embelishment?
dim basalt
and if you Aura buff, is that every single line except Melee (Main Hand) and emb...
Pretty sure for aura buff you just take the total * 1.x
Should be the last instance to be applied but I could be wrong
candid pecan
ok, we need help, jesus we need help 
quaint otter
Pretty sure for aura buff you just take the total * 1.x
Not exactly like that because base aura might be not 1.00
dim basalt
Well yes but when Blizz makes changes they change it so it becomes that in total
If Im not mistaken
dim basalt
Math around aura can be fucky
gaunt owl
Arms getting a 13% nerf
dim basalt
Everything else is simple tho
gaunt owl
and a bullet back of the head too
quaint otter
Arms getting rework/reboot
thorn stream
Arms getting rework/reboot
Not needed imho
tacit crystal
Not needed imho
???????
flint cedar
???????
That is either sarcasm or trolling - We should combine the two and call him a SarcaTroll
minor gust
Arms getting rework/reboot
Arms rework not till 13.0 like weve been saying since DF
proper moth
Arms gonna get reworked into legs and it’s gonna be a support class
tired sinew
we gonna be runnign around the raid kicking the shins of the enemies.... and being runners for fellow raiders...
latent hull
Arms rework not till 13.0 like weve been saying since DF
Bold of you to assume blizz isnt going to delete arms
Btw are we gonna get any buffs
minor gust
50/50 we do or we dont
latent hull
vernal prawn
Heyy, we never take our last apex point ? event with tier set when raid will be released ?
thorn stream
That is either sarcasm or trolling - We should combine the two and call him a Sa...
Arms needs tuning more than a full rework right now
dire hinge
Heyy, we never take our last apex point ? event with tier set when raid will be ...
Correct, it causes some massive desyncs in your cooldowns and it’s an overall loss bc you can’t burst (which is what arms is build around )
It gives you more consistent access to CS, but it’ll be available when nothing else is, so it’s not worth it.
You can get more damage by putting the talent elsewhere
sharp wyvern
Arms needs tuning more than a full rework right now
idk man even tho we just got alot of changes it feels like they can go back to the drawing board
tuning is gonna be fine regardless
but gameplay isnt gonna change till the next expac
dire hinge
A full rework would be nice, but we’ll see. It would be nice if our spells worked together better
thorn stream
But that’s not realistic for now
sharp wyvern
or maybe just redo the apex talents
thorn stream
or maybe just redo the apex talents
Smaller things like that are more likely
And something done with rage gen
minor gust
Arms needs tuning more than a full rework right now
People call for a rework because it's been the same spec since BFA. It's becomes stale af. Sure midnight slayer is pretty fun right now, but the desire for a rework is for something new
thorn stream
I get that
sharp wyvern
the fact that the last apex talent just desyncs our CDs is a warcrime
gaunt owl
the fact blizzard didnt figure it out sooner is a joke
thorn stream
Maybe between s1 and s2
sharp wyvern
the 17th is gonna fix everything 
mortal rivet
#removeslam
sharp wyvern
the only way i can understand the nerfs arms got while it was already bad is that they are cooking something up that justifies those
minor gust
Unlikely for a full rework in-between patches but we could get some minor reworks especially to the last apex talent during that time to improve what we're working with currently
thorn stream
We had semi-full reworks in the past between patches
gaunt owl
you cant expect a rework like Ret got in DF to save their spec
thorn stream
Eg dk and hunter in tww
minor gust
Yeah not saying it's impossible
gaunt owl
they always do some little tweek here and there
minor gust
Just saying unlikely cuz we're arms
thorn stream
Just saying unlikely cuz we're arms
True and based
minor gust
And this class as a whole is forgotten
sharp wyvern
fury is just more popular so it has to be the good one
minor gust
Even then fury still gets shafted a lot
Never forgot their first iteration of the fury apex talent
sharp wyvern
i still hope the current one for fury is just a bandaid
minor gust
I still think fury's apex is a lot worse than ours. It's boring AF even if numerically strong
sharp wyvern
fury gameplay completly changed instad of RB being prio its BT now
thats basically a rework
minor gust
Fury like arms has been the same for a long ass time now, but fury's core gameplay is just so satisfying for a lot of people
sharp wyvern
fury is the BM of melee
minor gust
So people aren't as stale with it like people are with arms
thorn stream
Sometimes i wish our cd wouldn’t be a debuff
wary steppe
would you like if heroic strike procs were off the gcd? they ll never do it since they went away from this except some key cds but i think it fits
shadow ibex
How many slams does a 5min sim see
With st spec
Iirc lowest in tww df was like 12 an encounter. Much less in real life cuz after prog fights were super short
wary steppe
Sometimes i wish our cd wouldn’t be a debuff
the thing i hate about arms now for many years is that it has so obnoxiously many modifiers that they are so redundant you dont even track them except the EP and CS
and every ability hits like noodle without them
shadow ibex
Class fantasy is variation in abilities
wary steppe
our apex is a mini buff , other talents are mini buffs, hero talents give mini buffs and none affect your decision making
shadow ibex
600% diff between biggest and smallest ms
flint cedar
Arms needs tuning more than a full rework right now
That was merely a tease my good man. I meant nothing by it. Thought it was one of many of the "We're fine no buffs needed" posts.
wary steppe
what annoys me is that in some older expansions if i had a big or a small MS i knew why, now with literaly over 5 modifying sources i dont even know why
shadow ibex
The best part is with all our crit amp
minor gust
would you like if heroic strike procs were off the gcd? they ll never do it sinc...
You would just macro it into stuff and forget the button exists
shadow ibex
'How do I parse better'
wary steppe
You would just macro it into stuff and forget the button exists
that is true
shadow ibex
Just crit more
Eventually the only thing you can do is just crit more than another player
Same exact casts but oh this ms crit and since we have like 30% crit amp
jade lava
everyone talks shit about bfa but stacking up 15k bonus strength after colossus smash was engaging and actually impacted your gameplay
minor gust
Off gcd ability could only work if we swam in rage and the off gcd ability existed to keep rage under control
shadow ibex
Bfa was last time warrior had something cool
Wrapping around to overlap cs and tom is the only unique gameplay we've had in like 8 years
thorn stream
That was merely a tease my good man. I meant nothing by it. Thought it was one o...
All g Brother
wary steppe
Off gcd ability could only work if we swam in rage and the off gcd ability exist...
i agree, but these times are over i think
minor gust
Indeed
wary steppe
the only thing i like in midnight is the sweeping strikes change thats a good one. everything else is a design mess
shadow ibex
They are terrified of making rage matter
jade lava
so far 'design mess' applies to all the specs i've leveled to cap and checked out
so its not just us
minor gust
Eh apex besides last talent is very good and slayer arms is very well done and a lot of fun
shadow ibex
Surprised we still have it
minor gust
The only cooked design for arms rn is Colo that shits a mess
shadow ibex
Talent tree is fucked
minor gust
Like only thing on slayer arms wishlist is love of God give us fury bladestorm
wary steppe
slayer is more fun idd i think it needs tuning badly tho
minor gust
Sitting afk in 10 year long bladestorm as arms is agonizing
shadow ibex
Take all your st with 0 v ariety in builds cuz half the tree is aoe only
minor gust
Oh and yeah our talent tree suffers from too much AOE nodes
Which is really bad for M+
Problem we've had since DF
That they still won't address
wary steppe
lowkey to be fair i think the only patches where rage management mattered in a good way is when you had extra rage to dump in off the gcd abilties, it made it way more interesting
wary steppe
and for the basic abilities you had always enough and it was about how well you gambled with the extra rage
thorn stream
Like only thing on slayer arms wishlist is love of God give us fury bladestorm
Yessssssss
I don’t understand it anyway why it’s so different
sharp wyvern
cause they wanted the fury one to fit into the enrage window
thorn stream
If you tested both you immediately have to realize
minor gust
It became different when they first gave it to fury but fury needed a way to keep enrage up during bladestorm
So they decided to make bladestorm faster for them
Funny enough due to Blizzards poor coding the two bladestorms are still connected. So any nerf or buff to bladestorm is applied to both arms and fury
livid cloak
is there a good way to track sudden death procs?
tacit crystal
cdm has a thingy for it
livid cloak
does it? okay
thorn stream
It became different when they first gave it to fury but fury needed a way to kee...
Watch not that much of a problem anymore with unhinged, or ?
minor gust
Kinda
BT isn't guaranteed to proc enrage
But either way we want fast bladestorm too because gone are the days of bladestorm doing a fuck ton of dmg so we need to be in and out of it just like fury
Or else depending on tuning you get these cursed moments like TWW s2 ravager slayer
weak rain
Last apex talent should make HS free and cdr increased to 4(maybe 3)
mortal rivet
fury is the BM of melee
Have you met ret?
Fury has some complexity involved at least
obsidian otter
have you played sub roge ? they are the BM melee now lol
minor gust
Last apex talent should make HS free and cdr increased to 4(maybe 3)
It shouldn't have any CDR that's the major problem why it's bad. Last Apex should just increase the dmg amp of next CS
sharp wyvern
you guys have a oint after the pruning fury is the only one that got a button and didnt lose any
so maybe fury is one of the more complex specs now
weak rain
Rampage conditions are funny
minor gust
Nah arms now
weak rain
glad that fury got away from brainless RB spam
minor gust
Especially now adding cleave scenarios into ST
toxic garden
wdythink is better right now for dungeons? fury or arms?
thorn stream
Especially now adding cleave scenarios into ST
That sole thing make me wanna switch to slayer in all contents tbh
obsidian otter
finanly got cloak that sims higher then reshi!
233 ilv vet to beat out a 170 cloak lol
minor gust
That sole thing make me wanna switch to slayer in all contents tbh
I hate to break it to you but this applies to slayer as well in the M+ build
you will cleave in ST sub 35% with mass execution talented
dire hinge
wdythink is better right now for dungeons? fury or arms?
best would be prot (the world needs more tanks), but yes technically fury is better atm. They can do the same AoE but have more single target (and health)
yeah the cleave optimizations were cursed
hallow quail
You can but it’s hurts your damage and not only a little bit from what I understand. Hopefully will change on the 17th
merry kite
why is arms got like 12 buttons if wow has apperently simplified wow now :/
minor gust
because we are so forgotten they forgot to prune us
merry kite
that sounds about right actually
hallow quail
Would love to see ravager and sweeping strikes go passive or something
obsidian otter
why is arms got like 12 buttons if wow has apperently simplified wow now :/
every class has 12+ buttons if your counting their utility defences interupts stuns .. arms only has 8 dps buttons that do damage and your never even using all 8 in a rotation same with fury 8 buttons when your comparing to classes like sub rogue or BM hunter who have 4-5 buttons that do damage yeah 8 feels like alot
merry kite
i count 9, 10 if victory rush counts
minor gust
Would love to see ravager and sweeping strikes go passive or something
something we all thought would happen when prot got passive rava, yet they removed rava from arms just to bring it back in this cursed awful state
merry kite
thn you have sweeping shockwave stun throw, defendive sword spell reflect
merry kite
your never pressing it for damage
yeah so 9 abilties then xD
obsidian otter
yeah so 9 abilties then xD
idk where 9 coming from MS/OP/SLAM/CS/EXe/Cleave/BS/Rend no other abilitys arms uses for damage
aoe your only using 5 Cleave/OP/CS/BS/MS/Rend and really BS and CS are longer cds so really only 3 and in single target your using MS/OP/SLam/CS/BS/Rend and again BS and CS are longer cds so your really only pressing 3 then
merry kite
OP>MS>Rend>Cleave>slam>EXE>demolish>BS>colossol smash
obsidian otter
oh 9 Colossus arms forgot i only play slayer lol
your mainly always pressing 3 buttons single target and 3 buttons aoe as slayer
outside of CDs
merry kite
then you have 6 other abilties you use very often too
i only ask i didnt know if theres liek a "simplicity button" i need to click or somethign but i believe thats just one button rotation
i think its just annoying as melle you need to be carfeull where you stand more and keepign an eye on the abiltys is so annoying
arms was alwasy the simple spec xD and im really strugglign, Fury seems the simple class now
obsidian otter
Fury is simpler than arms for sure
merry kite
yeah i just hate fury,
wind hatch
to me fury has always been simpler
obsidian otter
Also more forgiving with positioning on aoe
merry kite
spammy tho, I cant do fury no more i have stage 5 naga cancer thumb from being forced to play fury for 7 years
obsidian otter
I understand that for sure 😂
Think that’s why many want arms good they can’t play fury anymore after so many years of it
merry kite
i have no muscle memory in my left hand how i could move and have all these buttons for arms i would be less damage than healer
this is why i was excited to maybe get rid of my naga mouse and start to learn to slowly ditch my nanga and work on my left hand
so im dissapointed now
obsidian otter
I could never play without my Naga no way
merry kite
id liek to try
because im 40 now my thumb is legit fecked from it
after 30 mins i wanna quit
obsidian otter
I had to upgrade to the bigger one as I got into adult years as my hand got bigger the trinity is bigger than the older one
Can also change out the side buttons for circle one or less buttons one
merry kite
buttons still imprint od your thumb to
thorn stream
I hate to break it to you but this applies to slayer as well in the M+ build
mostly referring to ravager window thing
obsidian otter
If you enjoy melee over range I’d suggest survial hunter it uses two hander like arms has ability that does sweeping strikes like arms outside of throwing bombs and broomstick
merry kite
yeah i could do that i thikj
obsidian otter
Sub rogue is also prolly easiest melee spec maybe easiest spec in game to play atm
merry kite
im maining mage atm for a change frost seems nice
but my warrior has alway been my mian
i was thinking of aug dragron , damage that buffs seems pretty cool, but i have a really geared hunter from last expansion thats a good shout
thick cairn
Is arms still
merry kite
im not sure i didnt even know there was data on the specs damage wise yet
ive never worried about damage tho really just a play style and roatation i like
minor gust
based
fresh spire
boreal remnant
ive never worried about damage tho really just a play style and roatation i like
we press cleave on st
:)
unreal halo
nah arms is so cooked bro
minor gust
we press cleave on st
gloomy dawn
I know this question has been asked a million times. How is slayer looking in cleave fight compared to coll?
minor gust
well find out once raid releases
unreal halo
<:Cleave:592472222514282527>
Colossus ST priority goes crazy
gentle frigate
Is arms doing decent?
minor gust
unreal halo
Is arms doing decent?
thats the bottom btw
basically unholy sims 2x us if the data im seeing is accurate
gloomy dawn
bottom?
fresh spire
Prot sims more than colossus i stg
misty yew
minor gust
yes
dim basalt
actually monk tank sims more than every arms spec
Almost like BRM is overtuned as hell
smoky kayak
Prot sims more than colossus i stg
fresh spire
merry kite
<a:dracthyr_kek_animated:1002454139361574922>
288ilvl dafuq
minor gust
obsidian otter
288ilvl dafuq
That’s are season 1 end game ilv mythic gear
jade ember
boots up ST Col Arms sims at 288 ilvl
69420 dps
shut token
is there any reason to take thunder clap if not taking the upgraded version of it?
minor gust
no
graceful light
Where can I find this sheet?
smoky kayak
is there any reason to take thunder clap if not taking the upgraded version of i...
no reason to take Thunder Clap at all as Arms, other than if you want the slow in PvP
tribal kindle
where can i find this spreadsheet?
flint cedar
Anyone got any decent high ST with some simming? I was proud that I hit the 33k 1 target sim lol
wintry scroll
What's that one website that shows best trinkets/pi targets/races called
obsidian otter
Anyone got any decent high ST with some simming? I was proud that I hit the 33k ...
After all my MOs for the week still gotta do my 4 hard mode hunts for 4 vet items on my Arms warrior. And my arms warrior doesnt have 250 weapon like fury warrior got dropped from M0s but im looking like still looking at like 10k difference https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f58pKXyrAKdDGQSmig1dpY https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oxhNn1SQPRdBSiEhuNh5sD
wintry scroll
After all my MOs for the week still gotta do my 4 hard mode hunts for 4 vet item...
It's just 2 items not 4
From preys
obsidian otter
I have 2 warriors thats 4
obsidian otter
just keeping them both ready for tuning if 17th isnt good enough to push arms slayer closer to fury slayer then ill be fury slayer for season 1
but will keep arms close still for tuning as i prefer to play it over fury
exotic dock
Where did you find this
minor gust
ppl fiending for the list
wind hatch
Yet people don't care enough to gather the data themselves
why would they when someone else has already done it for them
untold trench
Data is fun to talk and yap about, yet got no value beyond that. So why bother getting more or data yourself?
wintry scroll
Are the new harandir good for anything
obsidian otter
the fact that fury slayer single target build vs its mythic plus aoe build is 2 points vs arms needing to swap so much is crazy and still does 10k difference lol
wintry scroll
That's the data i would like to talk about
obsidian otter
i know people swear by NE meld but .. what would you even need it for? in pve?
sage badge
It's more so that it gives you options compared to other races. You can do skips, de-aggro, stop casts or channels on you, or reset bosses.
obsidian otter
you want them to cast on you so you can reflect it though
and their isnt a tank your ripping agro from in our current state lol
minor gust
i know people swear by NE meld but .. what would you even need it for? in pve?
theres tons of mechanics you can cheese with meld
and straight up cancel out
obsidian otter
like a rogue vanish?
minor gust
yes
sage badge
I'm just saying what it can offer.
minor gust
Meld is just an invis/vanish so any mechanic you can cheese with a degagro like vanish/feign/mage invis you can do with meld
Meld has a lot of useful uses in Pve
next sphinx
I did some mythic 0s as both specs today and each time had a warlock dps who just lil assed boy me on the meters. Gonna cope locks are great and warriors are hated by blizz.
Otherwise, im at fault and I dont like that
north forge
did you log your dungeons? you probably got a 100 parse dw.
sage badge
Warlocks are indeed great atm. (I'm playing warlock this season.)
next sphinx
Thanks king
north forge
*because there's probably not even 100 warriors playing arms at the moment
Sorry hit enter too soon.
bronze sand
I'm trying to add Slam to the Cooldown Setting so I can see when it procs Heroic Strike but I cant find it anywhere
next sphinx
*because there's probably not even 100 warriors playing arms at the moment
Sorr...
Ill still take it. I did get less lil assed boy'd as fury but arms was rough
north forge
i tried one run as arms in my tour, and after i wiped my tears away i went back to fury and proceeded to top every run as both slayer and thane. I unironically think fury AOE might get nerfed on the 17th (but maybe a ST buff?).
Arms needs jesus
obsidian otter
if fury gets buffed its because arms got it and it bleeded off into fury slayer
jade ember
Blizz buffs Col > Prot too strong > Blizz nerfs Col with no Arms comp
Who's ready? I'm ready.
eternal edge
We'll see tomorrow (or today = Monday for some of you) if they start some changes / tuning with the reset
jade ember
They already said no tuning until the 17th
And then I think weekly tuning for 3 more weeks?
vapid spire
I just joined this discord to make sure it wasnt just me. They really did throw us in the dumpster
eternal edge
Yup
We're low af
Actually the worst spec if we look at other specs
In terms of st dmg
vapid spire
Yeah im doing better dps as prot right now its sad
eternal edge
flint cedar
After all my MOs for the week still gotta do my 4 hard mode hunts for 4 vet item...
Thanks Brother
minor gust
Sometimes they need to fix and they do it
they will always release the notes before hand. In the case of the 17th tuning well likely see the notes for those this thursday or friday
outer vector
Colossus playstyle still feels a little clunky, going to really hamstring myself and try to main Slayer Arms. Wish me luck
silver hill
went to grab a quick arms build is the link broke? should I just go to wow head
minor gust
dont think dps faq is fully updated yet just grab whats on any of the linked guides
fervent cedar
went to grab a quick arms build is the link broke? should I just go to wow head
wowhead is fine
obsidian lance
oh makes sense, because dps we dont have
lofty jacinth
The year is 20XX, no reskinned Thunder Bluff, Arms not feeling cash$, we press on hoping for better days.
lofty jacinth
Man I just feel like arms should be at the forefront of melee dps design, it does feel bad that we are so inconsistently viable, I understand everyone has a different definition of viable, but if it was bad BUT fun to play I would be happy, time I enjoyed Arms thoroughly was during Shadowlands, when I was a venthyr arms warrior
Not sure unviable is the right word there, to be revised, there's still things yet to unfold.
finite ocean
Man I just feel like arms should be at the forefront of melee dps design, it doe...
arms was pretty fun during undermine
lofty jacinth
arms was pretty fun during undermine
I missed that patch fuuuuu
nova marsh
Man I just feel like arms should be at the forefront of melee dps design, it doe...
I think the better word would be inconsistantly designed
plain violet
Yeah they flip flop between bleeds and MS stack design every time
quiet bramble
rage regen is omega ass
quiet bramble
ye
nova marsh
I doubt our rage gets fixed until like...S2 at the earliest
Maybe we get lucky with a .05 or .07 patch
quiet bramble
blizz should know that arms is unarmed atm
nova marsh
I mean I also think I've run into resource issues with all the classes I play
Outlaw has a few here and there, same with frost...But frosts's is just gonna get fixed the instant you get tier and get infinite ERW
quiet bramble
frost apex is questionable 
nova marsh
Frost apex feels kinda trash in DB, yeah
quiet bramble
why would they wanna all in frost wyrm
nova marsh
Like it feels like it makes the 1 and a half pillars stupidly tight
I've had so many where a boss moves during pillar and you are just fucked
Or your mark pops a bit late
So FWF gets delayed and it cascades into at least one exterm outside of pillar.
Or even me playing objectively wrong and sending on one KM with 3 runes just to force it into pillar
vapid spire
At one point, Fury had dual wielding 2h, and we had Bladestorm, now Fury also has Bladestorm and we have, nothing special
nova marsh
At one point, Fury had dual wielding 2h, and we had Bladestorm, now Fury also ha...
You could've said this for years
Also demo and cs exist
vapid spire
I dont remember when they gave Bladestorm to Fury
vapid spire
I thought it was DF when they remade actual talents
nova marsh
Na cuz I distinctively remeber as a fury one trick having it for keys in slands.
Because that was part of why spear was goated for that spex
Spear with the crit boost + enrage did some kinda neat thinga
thick hamlet
maybe for you man, normal almost kicked my ass
proper moth
Any news about arms getting deleted?
nova marsh
Any news about arms getting deleted?
Unfortunately not yet
The support spec arms isnt out yet
proper moth
tight wing
The support spec arms isnt out yet
ngl would love if we got a support spec
nova marsh
I dont want it
I dont like the idea of shout warrior...but itd put my cope to an end
So finally, my warrior can rest
proper moth
Same gonna encroach on dps warrior
nova marsh
Depends on how that works
proper moth
Looks at aug and devoker
nova marsh
If its like totems hell no
If its on your back and you rotate them, kinda like bard songs in 14 for example, id be cool with that
tight wing
like the old banners/stances but auras could have an empowerment like pally for stances
tight wing
that'd work too tbh
nova marsh
Espically since arms is just doomed and too inconsistent
tight wing
it's not that bad, I can get some pretty high numbers
nova marsh
I mean design wise
Bliz cant pick a direction for us and be consistent. And neither can the community tbh
tight wing
fair lol
nova marsh
All I want
Is for my spec to not feel like im launching a nuke
Colo still kinda did when I went to play it
nova marsh
As in theres a lot to press before I get to my rota
Tww was worse with roar
But midnight didnt feel much better
tight wing
ok so set up then hit, idk I don't feel like I have too much set up
I also don't take Matial Prowess though, so
nova marsh
Idk maybe cuz im comparing it to like frost
obsidian lance
my heroic strike macro is bugged, sometimes dont work and the text say " spell not learned" but if i relog, the macro works. Anyone knows how to resolve ?
tight wing
thats what I've been doing lol
nova marsh
my heroic strike macro is bugged, sometimes dont work and the text say " spell n...
Its just something you gotta deal with
tight wing
just Ava>CS>BS>cleave/Mortal strike
nova marsh
I mean more so with colo
tight wing
tap exe with SD procs
nova marsh
Slayer just never cared
tight wing
oh yeah I hate colo with a passion so I avoid it at all costs
tight wing
might go Colo for some raid bosses though, unfort but that big damage chunk may help
tight wing
idk it's a 60k min ST Damage, I'm sure it has a use somewhere, prob as an absorb buster lol
cloud path
ravager bugged?
obtuse sluice
cleave wrecks everything
cloud path
we taking bladestorm cause ravager bugged i assume?
nova marsh
we taking bladestorm cause ravager bugged i assume?
No?
tight wing
why take ravager in Slayer?
nova marsh
Its just better for slayer
cloud path
oh im not even using slayer
cloud path
but i try to click on ravager and it keeps telling me "no target"
tight wing
yeah it's a targeted spell now, so you do need to have a target
cloud path
kek i realized what happened
it was a macro
i jus removed it for the actual spell XD
nova marsh
Ahhhh
foggy quiver
Let’s ask our lord and saviour AI when was the last time arms was meta
Most recent time Arms Warrior was clearly meta
Shadowlands (especially Patch 9.0–9.1, 2020–2021)
Arms Warrior was one of the best melee specs in PvP and strong in PvE.
Arena comps like Arms + Ret Paladin / Arms + Mage were extremely common.
High burst from Mortal Strike + Execute + Sharpen Blade plus strong utility made it a top pick.
It even showed up in race-to-world-first raid comps and good Mythic+ logs.
Other expansions where Arms was meta
Battle for Azeroth (8.3 – 2020)
Late BFA with corruption gear made Arms pump huge damage in raids and M+.
Considered one of the top melee DPS in Ny’alotha.
Legion (2016–2018)
Strong in PvP for several seasons with big Mortal Strike healing reduction and burst windows.
Classic / TBC PvP (2005–2008)
One of the original arena meta specs because Mortal Strike reduced healing by 50%.
Arms + healer comps were extremely common.
After Shadowlands
Dragonflight: Fury was usually better for PvE; Arms mostly mid-tier.
The War Within / Midnight era: Arms has decent damage and utility but usually not the top meta pick, depending on tuning.
✅ Short answer:
Last clearly meta period: Shadowlands (2020–2021)
Before that: BFA 8.3 and parts of Legion
gray stone
quaint otter
Most recent time Arms Warrior was clearly meta
Shadowlands (especially Patch 9.0...
shouldve specified for m+
dim basalt
minor gust
cloud path
maybe im not playing slayer properly but i find demolish build to have more dps
or my slayer talents are messed up
vale gorge
I can do between 55 and 60k overall in mm0 with random group, but the ST on boss is unplayable
thick kelp
Slayer ST is not thaaat bad
strong pine
He wrong channel
arctic hearth
Slayer ST is not thaaat bad
So you either do tank dmg on trash or on bosses? And below middel of the pack on what you choose to be "good" at😅
north forge
donno what you guys are complaining about 🤷
arctic hearth
reap carries
What build are you running?
safe jay
donno what you guys are complaining about 🤷
did you hit only 1 nameplate?
thats atrocious
AoE is nice idd
thorn stream
What build are you running?
standard slayer m+ build i think
sharp wyvern
Yeah guys just play with bad or undergeared players and arms is fine
white stratus
Lil bro was prob questing 4+ hours before entering the dungeon
fresh spire
fossil root
For me real benchmark will be arms performance against fury in fully maxed champ gear.
safe jay
we got OF and Bladestorm. See us get nerfed because bosses got adds to nuke which are irrelevant anyways. Good old Nerubar Palace
white stratus
Are the patch notes out yet?
I read theyre tuning for heroic so we might still be ass
I saw everyone jump straight to m0
dim basalt
Are the patch notes out yet?
If there were notes you would see them in #updates-midnight
restive jay
They will announce the tuning this week on Thursday or Friday probably
Arms has been removed and replaced with Legs
white stratus
Lmao
safe jay
Im sorry you are right
fresh spire
burnt goblet
returning player here.. whats the chances we get buffed? like do all classes that are underperforming usually get a bit of love? or is it just up in the air?
sharp dust
I feel like Arms wont get fixed by a simple aura buff
After race to world first will be fixed, might take a week or 2
eternal edge
tbf i don't think we'll got some buffs this season
or yeah, after RWF
but eh
copium
sharp dust
burnt goblet
im just confused, from everything ive looked at, arms almost has its own tier, in being the worst. how can that not be looked at? Ive barely seen an arms warrior, everyone is fury - surely they see this?
do they usually just not rlly do many buffs/nerfs till next ex pack? or? im confused
eternal edge
actually we're way too low compared to others dps specs tho, so maybe they'll do something, but don't think we'll be OP
burnt goblet
It just seems really odd if we dont get looked at no?
burnt goblet
but isnt that better? they would see the player numbers, 90% fury, 10% arms - so surely arms would be on the block for a buff? it would help our cause having more ppl switch to fury?
or do they kinda go - warrior have a viable dps spec, next.
eternal edge
look TWW that was the same situation (arms was a bit better but fury was way better)
olive nest
All we can do is guess but I think it’s a safe bet that arms gets something for single target because it literally does slightly above Prot warrior afaik
Like they missed the mark clearly
fossil thistle
Yea but now prot is only like 8% behind arms ST
outer vector
Bad damage & the play style feels clunky. I only want to play Arms, hoping they fix soon!
sharp dust
I know nothing about PvP, how is Arms currently in pvp?
fossil thistle
All we can do is guess but I think it’s a safe bet that arms gets something for ...
~2050 dps diff simming arms vs prot. Take it with. Grain of salt
fossil thistle
I know nothing about PvP, how is Arms currently in pvp?
Not worth queueing
outer vector
Heroic Strike should also Heroic Cleave
olive nest
Yeah they wildly missed the mark with arms
sharp dust
So arms isnt even a pvp spec
olive nest
Curious what 17th balance will bring
fossil thistle
Yeah they wildly missed the mark with arms
They didn’t even throw the dart 🤣
burnt goblet
so we are bad in pvp, bad in single target, okay in cleave m+ - surely we are getting a buff, like why are so many people like "nah they will just leave it and miss us" - is this just what history suggests?
outer vector
It should be a fun proc to look for, not a chore while in multi-target
olive nest
The thing is they try not to make wild swings before the race so we might be cooked for a few more weeks yet
chilly cobalt
The heroic strike buff not refreshing all the stacks buff duration was stupid
chilly cobalt
It’s not up to us when it procs so it can just fall off end and we lose what little damage we have
jovial hare
The thing is they try not to make wild swings before the race so we might be coo...
hear me out
maybe the game shouldn't be held hostage by rwf raiders every tier
or rather
the concept
burnt goblet
so they have definitely said that class tuning is coming march 17?
or is it up in the air
jovial hare
🔮
chilly cobalt
The article says 17th
jovial hare
but most likely
fresh spire
so they have definitely said that class tuning is coming march 17?
4 weeks of tuning starting 17th
jovial hare
Blizzard's idea of class tuning may differ
sharp dust
so they have definitely said that class tuning is coming march 17?
"there will be no class tuning until the 17th"
chilly cobalt
They are waiting to see if people getting more optimized gear swings where things are
sharp dust
So, it doesnt imply there WILL be tuning
burnt goblet
so we are cooked 😂
jovial hare
it says if there will be, it'll be on the 17th
sharp dust
Tuning will be based on HC week damage, so make sure you absolutely will not under perform !
chilly cobalt
This is why you play DK or fury until they fix arms lol
eternal edge
so we are bad in pvp, bad in single target, okay in cleave m+ - surely we are ge...
the problem is yeah, history