arms

[last saddle]

We should throw poisoned food at the enemy and then they eat it and their tummy hurts

[worldly rivet]

Yeah... The bleed fantasy from a 2h carrying warrior would be dismemberment and not from slowly bleeding out haha

You aren't stabbing anyone.

[minor gust]

Hit something very hard you make it bleed. Internal and external!

[sage bison]

are yall seeing these st sims at ~240 ilevel compared to warrior?

i have uhdks and warlocks simming for literally more than 2x damage at the same ilvl 5min patchwork

[last saddle]

yea

the is that there arent any st fights in raid this ter

[shadow ibex]

Arms is tuned for heroics and m0

[sacred zodiac]

game server just lost contact with the realm

cannot believe this

[worldly rivet]

Demo and UHDK could honestly be put in the gutter once tuning comes

[shadow ibex]

Probably not

They won't ruin anyone's main at the start of a race

[sacred zodiac]

they have done this every tier what do you mean

[shadow ibex]

Completely change the landscape?

No

[last saddle]

yes

[shadow ibex]

Completely change the landscape the 17th, when the season starts

0%

[sacred zodiac]

bet you played necro fury in sepulcher then

[last saddle]

they legit rugpulled us s1 tww what do you mean

[shadow ibex]

Its as if they might have learned something

[sacred zodiac]

or that ye

[shadow ibex]

And what about s3

Or s2

[last saddle]

when has blizzard learned anything ICANT

[sage bison]

i mean my fury is barely 9k above my arms ST

warrior just actually dead spec

[last saddle]

9k above means like 30% more dmg

[sacred zodiac]

have none of you played a season launch before

[shadow ibex]

Fury got nerfed but was still good at its job in s1

[sacred zodiac]

yeah so good that after the nerf it was optimal to drop it

[shadow ibex]

Going from top to dumpster isnt happening

[sacred zodiac]

rwf was just locked in on gearing their warriors and couldnt swap them out

[shadow ibex]

Yea rwf who cares

[last saddle]

my job in s1 was wiping us on broodtwister

[shadow ibex]

Literally 50 players

[shell arch]

hey...
silly question, i'm not a native english speaker...
does arms means anything besides the limbs?
warrior arms is weird name for me, never understood it

[last saddle]

arms means weapons

[shadow ibex]

Optimal for 50 people 🤓 ☝️

[last saddle]

men-at-arms for example

[sacred zodiac]

okay so what was the purpose of fury in s1 outside of rwf then

[last saddle]

to arms!

short for armaments

[shell arch]

oh thanks

[sacred zodiac]

broodtwister you did nothing, dks had a better damage pattern you just blew up useless adds that died to passive cleave

rashanan everything dies to passive cleave

[shadow ibex]

Do webs if ppl didnt have immune or brood prog

[last saddle]

from latin armare

[nova marsh]

This boldly assumes evrey spec is good in raid

[sacred zodiac]

if you were progging ansurek as a guild that couldnt solve the comp check you did not need fury warriors to kill your webs anymore

[nova marsh]

or has a specfic purpose in raid

[sacred zodiac]

every spec has to do something to be represented or they just won't be

[shadow ibex]

Alright I guess every fury log was just a carry ig

[nova marsh]

Yes, and obviously they weren't.

[last saddle]

"what is my purpose"
you buff the hunters damage by 5%
"dear god"

[shadow ibex]

Idk why you think what like 100 guilds do is relevant

[nova marsh]

Obviously blizz didn't like fury being represent

[shadow ibex]

Technically dps warrior didnt even deserve a spot in undermine period

[sacred zodiac]

what do you think should be the line of relevancy here? if some sort of competetive standard isnt relevant to you then nothing should be

after a certain WR its just play what you want numbers dont matter

[shadow ibex]

I think we can safely ignore the experience of a certain %

Pick a % if you want

[last saddle]

i think you are in that % of people we can ignore

[plain violet]

You gotta be ragebaiting. Blizz only cares about optics, that is why everyone knew WW was going to get nuked the moment 4 of them were being brought to fights in the S2 RWF

[shadow ibex]

The top 1, 3% 5%

You can pick

[sacred zodiac]

yeah i ignore the experience of the 99.99% because balancing doesnt matter to them

you can literally bring whatever comp and clear every raid after every piece of borrowed power and raid nerf is maxed out

[shadow ibex]

Can yall stop chiming in mid talk. Im talking about just cuz it was optimal for fury to be sat at top end doesnt mean guilds didnt play them

Bshout should have come in from prot in s2 imo

I sill played warrior tho??

[last saddle]

yea bc your guild didnt have a prot war

[sacred zodiac]

whether people played fury wasnt the question though i got to play undermine and nerubar

[shadow ibex]

Theres probably top 250 guilds that had 2 dps war

[sacred zodiac]

do you know the difference between discussing what is optimal and what was actually played

[plain violet]

By circumstance, not choice

[shadow ibex]

Yes this is how max says they got a lead on bandit

They had players who play a shit spec like spriest

And it just so happened to be busted

[last saddle]

I thought rwf didn’t matter

[sacred zodiac]

are you saying the spread cleave god spec did insanely well on the spread cleave "kill these adds in x seconds or die" boss

you must be ragebaiting

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/i-guess-bro-what-are-you-talking-about-bruh-wolf-of-wall-street-nose-pinch-gif-2883543456073544458

Im saying max had ppl who actually played spriest not main swaps

[sacred zodiac]

echo also dumped their melee roster for ranged rosters and they killed the boss

that bosses kill comp was known before the raid released officially

[plain violet]

People also abused the life out of Spriest on the garbage man boss, it wasn't a one off

[shadow ibex]

Boomies also did insanely well and having a main vs fotm was felt there as well imo

This started because I said i dont think anyone's main is going from amazing to dumpster on the 17th

If anything I feel like thats more true if they paid attention

[sacred zodiac]

ya idk no point in speculating i think you have sufficient evidence from the last few seasons of ppls mains that looked broken on ptr just not be that on release week

[plain violet]

It depends on what you mean by dumpster, i know DK mains who would collapse in tears if one of their dumb specs aren't top 3 in all content

[shadow ibex]

At least 1 will be cuz its dk

Don't quote me on uh or frost but yea 1

[plain violet]

They deserve to be in the gutter, mf's been feasting for 2 years

[nova marsh]

Man fuck off

[dull osprey]

Nerf arms

[nova marsh]

remove arms

make a support spec

[plain violet]

Filthy dk lurkers, i see you

[nova marsh]

I wouldn't be if arms was fun

[plain violet]

Real

[jolly lintel]

That heroic strike macro goes hard as fuck actually

[minor gust]

Woah woah woah did nothing? It was the fury warriors job to pull aggro and die to the big spiders

[vagrant hull]

Which one? Macro-ing it to every ability?

[shadow ibex]

I started asking for bop

I forgot that shit until just now wow

[minor gust]

We had two fury warriors so it was a coinflip

[shell arch]

is bladestorm bad as colossus arms?

[fresh spire]

yeh no unhinged, 5 seconds of 0 value basically. ravager buffs cleave when its active which is a big damage point for colossus, even cleaving on ST when ravager up is very valuable

the ST build i got for colossus using cleave/ravager over CT/fatal was within a %

[minor gust]

[vagrant hull]

I still can't not see a pipe wrench when looking at the cleave thumbnail

[minor gust]

It's a green parrot 🦜

[shadow ibex]

took me a decade to figure out what leap was

[minor gust]

If you didn't know the name of this Icon it would probably be pretty hard to guess those are legs

[shell arch]

is this worth if we are playing collateral damage?

[nova marsh]

for aoe I don't think it's ever not worth

[shell arch]

cuz u don't want to spam the cleave without procs of collateral dmg i guess

hey

did they change rend animation?
seems more... red now?

[dim basalt]

Well in this case you do

[minor gust]

ignore collateral exists. Its just something passively happening in the background

if cleave is up you press cleave

[slender sonnet]

this is the peak warrior life now

[ripe field]

Damn that's crazy. Can't believe Blizz doing yall like this

[nova marsh]

Fake screenshot, you got an inv

[slender sonnet]

real actually

[thorn stream]

If i cba with that i just play slayer

[shut token]

What does the heroic strike macro look like?

[dire hinge]

#showtooltip
/use [known:Heroic Strike] Heroic Strike; Mortal Strike```

[shut token]

Thank you!

[dire hinge]

Technically if both are available simultaneously, you should cast Mortal Strike over Heroic Strike (but the macro will show Heroic Strike)

just something to be aware of

(it's a cozy macro tho)

[obsidian otter]

idk if this is bug or intended upgrading trinkets I upgraded slot 15 to max and lost 16 was charging me crests so i just swapped then in equiped and then it let me upgrade the other trinket for free

but slot 16 still charging me

crests to upgrade that slot

so then i just upgraded all 6 trinkets i had for free and put them in slot 15 lol

[slender sonnet]

meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow

[obsidian otter]

feral feel good?

[slender sonnet]

idk i got here as guardian

[whole wigeon]

even npc tanks are doing more dps than my arms warr 🙁

[slender sonnet]

oh yeah this is fun

[obsidian otter]

ive pvp verse them and man they can blow you up in one stun kinda nuts

so was curious how their pve was

[slender sonnet]

Not really played feral since cata

but this feels fun

[jovial hare]

meow

[shut token]

It worked just fine out in the world but when i joined a dungeon it wont cast regualar mortal strike?

[dire hinge]

i had that issue too recently, but i haven't figured out what causes it yet. I have reported it to Blizzard as a bug

it's strange because Heroic Strike does show up under your Warrior page in the spellbook when it procs, so it should work with [known], but it seems to be weird as of about 24 hours ago for some reason

[shut token]

Hmm okay good to know, but it works sometimes in dungeons for you?

[dire hinge]

it used to work everywhere, but as of yesterday i saw it intermittently working in-and-out of dungeons

genuinely not sure what's going on with it

it's technically better not to use the macro, but my brain craves the simplicity

[shut token]

Yeah same for me, it literally made me not quit playing arms

I was looking for just such a macro and didnt think it existed so i was so happy when it workeed

[steady isle]

I just had a run with a rare arms warrior. Arms' dps isn't as bad as you make it like. that arms warrior actually beat my healer alt's dps.

it was fun in fighting for 4th dps spot in boss fights

[tawdry bear]

So after reading comments here I get the feeling everyone is struggling with arms dps on bosses.

I do good on trash pulls, but shitty on bosses.

[iron root]

Yeah just wait til the 17th, then they will fix us and you will do shitty on trash pulls, shitty on bosses

[sacred zodiac]

ya its undertuned cya on mythic week where it might get fixed

[dire hinge]

Correct yeah, arms can do good AoE in dungeons but does tank damage on Bosses due to colossus having poor single target and execute throughout

[tawdry bear]

Well, rip. I am going to stick with arms. But I am hoping for some changes to the single target.

[wind hatch]

there is absolutely no way arms doesn't see pretty substantial buffs on the 17th

It's probably the worst spec in the game right now

[obsidian otter]

it for sure is at the bottom for sure

[tawdry bear]

I like how the rotation feels. It is much more fluid than it was at the end of tww.

But the damage feels so bad.

Granted I am still pressing sweeping strikes before colossal smash. But habits like those are hard to lose.

I have almost considered dropping the free sweeping strikes at this point lol.

[eternal edge]

Same shit as slayer but it's a bit better than Colossus in ST

[dire hinge]

Yeah, but slayers a little worse At burst AoE. Tomato/Potato

[eternal edge]

Yup.
But overall, slayer is easier / funnier than Colossus imho

[dire hinge]

At least you don’t have to heroic leap mid CDs if the tank moves on Slayer

[eternal edge]

That colo rotation is awful and so static
Counterintuitive too

If the pack move

You're fucked

And that fucking fyralath use as talent is so bad 😅 (demolish)

[wind hatch]

Am I the only demolish enjoyer that exists

[eternal edge]

Don't get me wrong
Currently it's not so bad
But I hate that channeling so hard

Let that demolish being instant or you can move / use other techniques during it, and I'll start to like it

Remember that proc from DPS legendary in MoP

It's was instant, dps for 3s and you can move / use other thing. But it was a proc.
Anyway, I'll never play that spec with that spell alive

[tawdry bear]

Isn't the channel affected by haste?

[eternal edge]

Nope

Or it was not enough

[wind hatch]

I honestly like the channel, it makes it feel more impactful to me and it isn't too long to the point where it's annoying

you can also heroic leap during the channel if you ever need to although it isn't always up

[dire hinge]

Yeah super annoying regardless.

[eternal edge]

Let me move by myself during the channeling and I'm ok with that

Otherwise burn that shit aha

The best example is

[latent moss]

i wish it was like a channel during which ur move speed is reduced to 50% but its a single hit and shows the outline. something like fire breath i think its called for evokers

[dire hinge]

Like fists of fury (which blizz said colossus would be like originally heheh)

[latent moss]

so then u can aim it properly and it does not require a target

[eternal edge]

Yes! Exactly @dire hinge

If you let us being monk for 2s, I'm fine with it

Design and gameplay is better for fists

Than demolish

[dire hinge]

Oh how on Chinese servers Bladestorm does more damage to your closest target

Oh well!

[latent moss]

tbh colo atm has bigger issues

15% cut to the bone 👍

w talent

[eternal edge]

So many non sense in that spec btw

[latent moss]

i want them to either

do something with bleeds for colo

[eternal edge]

But overall my personal issue is still demolish " gameplay wise"

[latent moss]

or get rid of them and go full mortal combo/enduring blow type thing

[minor gust]

you mean 5% soon

[eternal edge]

It was supposed to be that in the beginning

But eh

[latent moss]

like new deep wounds

is super cool

its basically trauma

adn then it gets shot

43089543 times in a row

and now cleave is everything

[tawdry bear]

It requiring a target is what allows us to use it with sweeping strikes.

[latent moss]

read my message above that

the button thats supposed to be massive number should be 1 number not 3

[latent moss]

wouldnt surprise me

[minor gust]

11 more days till next cut to the bone nerf

[latent moss]

and cleave buff

[eternal edge]

Cleave...
We got whirlwind in our rotation for sooooo long that ppl started to hate it (including myself)
No it's exactly the same problem but with cleave cause blizz WANTS CLEAVE WTV HAPPENED.

[latent moss]

and deep wounds nerf

and dreadnaught nerf

[latent moss]

the issue is that

everything other than cleave got fucking obliterated

[minor gust]

10% aura nerf 20% cleave buff

cinema

[latent moss]

like

why did they gut dreadnaught

60% nerf

deep wounds 33%

[eternal edge]

I wanna sleep tonight, don't make me nightmares 😂

[latent moss]

and talents like crushing combo

just make it even worse

[wind hatch]

Blizzard saw that people were having fun and knew they had to stop it immediately

[tawdry bear]

I think the dev that is working on arms warrior lost to one and is now just nerfing it over and over.

[eternal edge]

Do we realize that our spec is one of the most complicated and the worst in the same time? Ofc we did

Imagine that arms is more complex than sub actually 😅

[latent moss]

isnt sub

smoothbrained

now

[minor gust]

omega smooth

[eternal edge]

Smooth and sooooo easy and permissive now

[vast helm]

just give all nerfs back

[edgy spindle]

? Did the HS/MS macro stop working for anyone else

[wind hatch]

is there any way to track slam/HS on the cooldown manager

I can't find it

nvm im just insanely blind

[opal creek]

Do we like the nalorak trinket here? Seems rad

[lime ruin]

Is there a way to glyph the old warbreaker animation back

[dire hinge]

i dont believe they've added any glyphs for a while, but that'd be nice

[lime ruin]

Thinking about it, colossus never should have had execute synergy taken away from it

I think that's dumb

[minor gust]

[lime ruin]

I honestly think one reason why colossus is so hard for blizz to balance and why it struggles in ST

Slayer = Bladestorm, Colossus = Demolish

shouldnt be that complicated but it is

[steady isle]

it's not probably, it's the undisputed worst spec in game atm.

at its current state, you would rather bringing another tank over arms dps

[torpid wave]

Does anyone know why ret is allowed to have 20 defensives and more damage than warrior while hitting people from 30yards away, blessing of freedom, 6 second stun 2 immunities while all their damage is magic so they ignore all armor? Let me know

[languid torrent]

because they shut down their discord

wcyd

🤷‍♂️

[steady isle]

🤣

arms when ?

[thorn stream]

Never

[dire hinge]

we have standards

[dire hinge]

unironically i do have the answer to this and it's because in mid-dragonflight Blizzard was testing out what it would look like if they had squads group up and help design specs (I believe Ret had 5+ people working on its redesign for the mid-dragonflight update when it got your list of features). It was a success, ret got a bunch of neat abilities not seen elsewhere in the game, well balanced, etc. The program was deemed not worth the time it took and discontinued

[torpid wave]

What do you mean by well balanced?

They deserve to have all of that because warriors have checks notes mortal strike?

[steady isle]

both rets and prot were broken after mid-DF rework iirc

[rare kite]

both ret and prot were fine. holy pala was very very much not fine

incredibly overpowered

[steady isle]

I don't remember they did any rework on hpal in DF

prot was meta after the rework in s1. Blizzard nerfed after nerfed until it was 2nd best in season 2

not because it was weak but because they overtuned bear

[rare kite]

all of paladin got reworked in df. holy was part of godcomp

[torpid wave]

Paladin hasn’t been weak for a single patch since tbc. It’s unreal how broken it’s allowed to be

[rare kite]

you are free to believe that if you want

[steady isle]

shinny knights are more attractive than muscle-head warriors

larger audience = more attention

[torpid wave]

Kappa chungus

[gaunt owl]

they had some dogshit tier worth mentionning

[dire hinge]

sorry, to be clear i didn't mean balanced as in "normalized damage", i meant in regards to like, "well-rounded utility"

[hallow vale]

weren't they turbo trash whole shadowlands?

[torpid wave]

not at all

[hallow vale]

at least in m+ it was garbanzo omega

[slow saddle]

Nope

Ret was good

So was prot

[jaunty drift]

Be nice to see them give arms buffs it feels so mediocre compared to any of my other toons but warriors been my favorite class for 20 years

[keen siren]

man ive been playing arms and it feels like the only spec that still plays pretty much the same even more fun than last patch

am i wrong? its still bloated lol they didnt prune it at all

its fun tho

i like how slam can proc into heroic strike thats cool

[slow saddle]

Its not bloated imho

[keen siren]

well compared to every other spec

[slow saddle]

Though deleting avatar// makin rav passive in m+

[keen siren]

it is kinda

[jaunty drift]

Slayer feels good if you get rng but most of the time it’s dog (only on st)

[keen siren]

u play demolish dont u?

[jaunty drift]

I play both

[keen siren]

ive been playing demolish its cool

[jaunty drift]

Because it’s depressing

[slow saddle]

I mean slayer plays well

[jaunty drift]

lol

[slow saddle]

If u have wft and we had like 10% more rage

[keen siren]

i like how ravager follows ur target now

and isnt in one spot

[jaunty drift]

Yeah. Need more rage and just need baseline damage increase really

[slow saddle]

Tactician nerf was rough imho for play. But even t 10% wasnt rly good

[jaunty drift]

But warriors are hated lol

[keen siren]

just rotation wise its fun

way more going on than fury

[slow saddle]

Y bad feels is when u hsve no rage

Tbh arms these days is better with to much rage

[keen siren]

i have a question tho

u use CS for the sweeping procs

then after that u press sweeping?

[slow saddle]

12 swings after yrs

[keen siren]

ok

[slow saddle]

But yes its why i detest nee sweep

Coz 12 + 12 = 12

Not logical

[blazing estuary]

Guys my warrior st is buns but I do big aoe is this normal for slayer

[jaunty drift]

Slayer should do more st tbh

[slow saddle]

Slayer has decent aoe

And our st is sheit

[jaunty drift]

If you get decent procs it feels ok

[blazing estuary]

I can barely do 30k on st in m+

[jaunty drift]

But consistently demolish spec smashes slayer aoe

But is even worse then slayer st

lol

[blazing estuary]

Good god I’m cooked

[slow saddle]

30k is not bad

In m0

Less buffs // we suck

[blazing estuary]

Ok feels bad when everyone else doing 10k more tho

[slow saddle]

I mean

They dont

[jaunty drift]

In the runs I’ve done on st as slayer I’ve sat around 32-35k on bosses, good or god rng with sudden death I do more but

[slow saddle]

Unless they dks lockd mage

[jaunty drift]

And im running raw gear (no gems ect) yet

Decent ilvl at 236 tho

[slow saddle]

Kek

225 here as fury

I still use dmg cloak though

Its just great

[jaunty drift]

Yeah I had some good rng this week from 0s overall lol

[blazing estuary]

Yall using that 246 trinket? the sims hate it

[slow saddle]

I got chest

[jaunty drift]

I have been yeah for now

Till I get somthing better

[slow saddle]

8 fungeons ...

1 bracer traded

[jaunty drift]

Running heart of wind / crucible atm

[slow saddle]

Cloaks 2 x from prey🤣

My rng is 0

[blazing estuary]

240 version trinkets?

Dang or heroic

[jaunty drift]

240 heart 246 crucible

[blazing estuary]

Oh you lucky lucky

[slow saddle]

Also saw. We need 2 kill 5th boss for 2h

Does blizzard hate us?

5th

[jaunty drift]

Yeah my war was pretty lucky

[slow saddle]

Craftin weapon 99% is the play

[blazing estuary]

I got the haste mastery weapon

[jaunty drift]

For prey system, when does it upgrade to hard

[blazing estuary]

From terrace

[jaunty drift]

I only did 4 preys so far

Imagine I just gotta do more

[slow saddle]

No?

I did 1 normal

[blazing estuary]

Check your renown

[slow saddle]

2 hard

[blazing estuary]

Should have it

[jaunty drift]

Hm

[slow saddle]

U only get rewards from 2

[blazing estuary]

Might be a quest for the unlock

[slow saddle]

As i said i got cloak twice... vet

[jaunty drift]

Yea, not sure. I’ll look at it tomorrow when I’m back on

[slow saddle]

Im officially levelin my dk

[jaunty drift]

I have just focused on leveling and gearing some alts I wanna play

[slow saddle]

I just wanna c if meta has better rng

[jaunty drift]

My aff lock is fun af and blasts

[blazing estuary]

I leveled my ele

[jaunty drift]

I know demo is meta but affi is fun

[slow saddle]

I hate levelin

[blazing estuary]

I can do 50k plus st on my ele

It’s kinda bananas

[jaunty drift]

I was spiking over 100k on my aff lock it was nuts but (burst) consistently pulling 45k+ on st average

[blazing estuary]

Hit 200k on a aoe pull

[jaunty drift]

Yeah that’s always fun

[blazing estuary]

But avg overall like 45k

Cuz it does no dmg without cds

[jaunty drift]

I’ve leveled war lock and enhance I’m just debating #4

[blazing estuary]

Honestly ret is a blast

[jaunty drift]

I’ve seen a few cranker rets

I thought about feral I’ve never played it but I play Druid

[blazing estuary]

Kinda like arms tho stat pads hard

[slow saddle]

No ret is bad ( proffisional sandbaggers )

Also ret has funnel now

So no

Arms would kill for their funnel

[blazing estuary]

Talking about st

It’s pretty mid

[slow saddle]

Well in m+... u pull mobs into boss

And execution sentence is insane then aint it?

All dmg done at a % send into mt

[blazing estuary]

Yeah that would be ideal but tanks i seen are some 1 pack pullers

[slow saddle]

M0

Once m+ hits

No way

[blazing estuary]

And I can’t say nothing cuz I’m an arms and I’m just happy to be there

Yeah I’m hoping we get a nice ms and op buff 15% plz

[slow saddle]

I mean arms atm loves pressin cleave in st... so we would love 3 targets

• 20 % aura budd

• 20% exe

[blazing estuary]

No way we get aura without cleave getting gutted

[slow saddle]

20% cleave nerf

Is rrq

[blazing estuary]

Yeah that would be ideal but ain’t happening

[slow saddle]

Cleave is 2 strong atm

[blazing estuary]

We’ll see a 3% aura buff on the 17th

[slow saddle]

Or well hopefully 50% dmg buff to hs

15% aura buff or what ever is same dmg

I want hs 2 be big dam, and not just a buff

[blazing estuary]

Heroic strike last talent rework to do avatar to

And I’ll be happy

[slow saddle]

Nah

2 much cdr

Just let it make next cs fuck harder

Instead of cdr

[blazing estuary]

Shid just give me anything at this point

[slow saddle]

True, let me use last talent

[blazing estuary]

I’ll take a crinkle up dollar bill

[slow saddle]

And give me more rage!!!

Playing with shaman is hard

Playing without...

[blazing estuary]

Honestly been leap charging sometimes just to feel something

Worst feeling is doing execute op execute and waiting for that rage for the ms

Makes me cringe

[slow saddle]

Yeah as i said to much rage is better than no rage

I hate every single person that complained when rage bar is cosmetic until execute

But they could just give us 10% more and let op give rage sub 35%???? Like the talent we took b4 when we had enough rage🤣🤣

[thorn stream]

Rather cosmetic rage bar than being that starved and not pressing anything

„bUt It WiLl ExAcTlY pLaY lIkE fUrY tHeN“
No, it won’t.

[shut token]

Is execute worth pressing as arms colossus?

[daring heron]

well you can press it and then do some chores while you wait for rage

but no you dont press execute as colossus unless it's a sudden death proc

it does take priority over slam if you have deep wounds talented though

[untold trench]

Exe dead for arms and prot? Yeah, checks out

Fury the only execute spec

[gaunt owl]

[rare kite]

have you seen arms vs fury execute phase gains? arms execute

[untold trench]

Ya need VC on MS to help carry the phase

Cant have execute be the button after all

[rare kite]

they would continually nerf like that, like they nerfed the overpower execute

[untold trench]

Solution, just treat execute like prot. Remove it from your bars

[daring heron]

i was pressing exe as prot until i checked details, it's literally a wet noodle now

prot exe felt so strong in tww lmao

[shut token]

Thanks, do you know if it´s the same for pvp?

[daring heron]

no clue

[rare kite]

only joy in execute is the big ass bloodbath numbers. holy moly

[daring heron]

i assume you'd go for it in pvp and hope you can kill them off before you run out of rage

[untold trench]

No, in PvP execute for all specs got huge %dam mods to make it worth pressing in a kill situation (not being a theoretical dps increase), most abilities got different mods to create a different dam profile

Some stuff is weaker, like wrecking throw being dead. Some things are stronger like slam

[shut token]

Damm i thought i could save a keybind there! Is that true even if I have talented into the overpower doing more damage when they are lower than 35%?

[untold trench]

I dont know, i dont play Arms

Crit will answer that one probably, that Fury spec traitor

(also played mage, imagine! such a bad person)

[shut token]

the ultimate act of treason

[daring heron]

imagine not mentioning my dk

[untold trench]

Was some of your better streams, watching you struggle doing the window

[daring heron]

mage hits 90 today so probably doing my druid in case feral gets good

and after that idk

[untold trench]

Feral is sleeper good, I said this forever. Would keep one ready if you know how to cat

[thick kelp]

critfurytotem

[thorn stream]

As slayer it’s a bit better I’d argue

[echo shard]

Survival lowkey sleeper alt

[naive breach]

come to the healing side my friend

abandon the brown man

[slow saddle]

Hear me out

WHAT IF

Avatar empowered execute

^_^ bloodbath exebath

[crude bison]

SS is the new slice and dice and feels bad to press. And now that CS gives it idk why it exists. They shoud just turn SS into Arm's mastery. Make the baseline high like sub rogue and let it get up to 90%.

Fuck it too if you get more then 100% mastery have it hit a 3rd target. In legion SS hit 3 targets

[fallen flume]

change exebath with Guillotine and you have me sold

but we are in the wrong channel

[hasty pumice]

What if we got a 10% aura buff and we're happy

[slow saddle]

kek

10%?

we need 30%

[slow saddle]

nah broad strokes 1 talent point just make SS passive 100% of the time

1 button gone that now only feels bad if u make mistake

[brittle fiber]

has there been any update on this?

[ornate eagle]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

[dim basalt]

Nome appears here for once to meme on us

But...retired? 🙁

[latent moss]

arms deserves it

[slender sonnet]

real

[shy dew]

arms need a decent rework, if they could give like 10% of attention like dks dev give to his class, arms would be atleast A tier

[weak wave]

Slayer > Colossus in M+

[minor gust]

Thank you for the random preseason Sims screenshots

[quaint otter]

5 minute 8 target very real scenario for m+

[weak wave]

1 minute is nothing different

[weak wave]

YW 🙂
Just had a feeling that the wowhead guide isn't telling the truth

[worldly rivet]

Single button rotation UHDK being ahead of a good chunk of DPS is also funny.

[dim basalt]

Is this sarcasm

[weak wave]

You don‘t say!

[dim basalt]

It was a question

[weak wave]

Well no. I'm serious

[dim basalt]

[quiet bramble]

Holy Slarms

[thick kelp]

i would prefer colossus

[oak kite]

WAIT u dont even take the last apex point as arms slayer ? lmao what is going on

how bad it is

[latent moss]

it desyncs cs

[quaint otter]

desyncs a lot

[oak kite]

mother of god -.-

[weak wave]

What's this?

[latent moss]

sims sheet

[quiet bramble]

Blizz surely plays warrior, right guys?

[latent moss]

axaaxxaax

fury set ass once again

3.4% for 4p

from 0p to 4p

[quaint otter]

based.

[nova marsh]

At this point its tradition

[latent moss]

i mean

its w/e

irrelevant

[quaint otter]

warrior doesnt need fancy trinkets only pure pump

[dim basalt]

Do other classes get much more?

[latent moss]

no clue

[dim basalt]

Its common that S1 sets are pretty weak

[latent moss]

fury beating atms on 2t

arms

axaxxaxaxa

[dim basalt]

Would be surprised if any spec is >5%

[quaint otter]

aug is like 10-15% ig

[latent moss]

this might be tragic

[quiet bramble]

How fast is demolish animation?

[gentle frigate]

Is arms cooked?

[quaint otter]

17th march rework

[slender sonnet]

sigh

[minor gust]

[minor gust]

S1 sets in the past were not intended weak but more bland instead as we went into DF and TWW with new talent systems.

[obsidian otter]

Man I just finished last rep for the 4th champion item. People who did all 4 of them before M0s hit crazy work feel like it took me forever 😂

[nova marsh]

You mean the degens?

I mean also I got r9 with silvermoon by just doing soujurner on my alt

[obsidian otter]

Yeah I got most rep done with my two warriors on their way to 90 made sure to do side quests different on each took me to 86 on my rogue to get rest of the rep for All 4 factions

I also hate questing 😂

I just wanna hit stuff

Sometimes I get side tracked world pvp aswell

[obsidian otter]

What was soujurner ? That an event?

[nova marsh]

Achievement for side quests

[obsidian otter]

Oh

Like doing all of them in silver moon

[nova marsh]

In eversong ye

[obsidian otter]

Nice

[nova marsh]

+main camp

[obsidian otter]

I hope warrior gets some good tuning I enjoy playing them even playing my rogue i only really enjoy pvp as rogue because I can’t die. But pve on sub.. mind numbing so good damage. Aoe is like fan of knives shadow clones then your just fan of knives black powder… over and over .. single target same thing shadowstrike shadow clones then just shdowstrike into evis so I’m either pressing 1-2 repeat or 4-5 repeat 😂

[quiet bramble]

renown 6 in haradar, a bunch of side quests waiting for my final belt

omega lazy for this shit

[obsidian otter]

Yea that was last one I did

I hate the tree area

Flying around there sucks

[quiet bramble]

either i just go mog farm or do it on an alt

[nova marsh]

I like outlaw a lot even if its not meta

[obsidian otter]

Yeah I was gonna try outlaws more buttons seems good. I played combat for the longest I swap to fury in legion when it became outlaw

I always just played arms and combat rogue 😂

[nova marsh]

The rng on dice is a lot less now

And the apex is great

[obsidian otter]

Yeah I messed with it in beta a little I didn’t run any keys on it just sub

Pvping as sub is just cheat code right now

[nova marsh]

Still hilarious going from dk to outlaw

And having exact opposite problems in open world

[obsidian otter]

Outlaw prolly clears fast leveling compared to DK cool downs only?

[nova marsh]

It does yes

But you are the squishest class in the entire game

So dk cant die but does no damage outside of cds. But rogue does good damage regardless but has the durability of a wet tissue paper

[obsidian otter]

Yeah sub same I normally could only pull big packs while evasion was up foK into shadowclones almost wipes like 10 mobs and then just spam foK and black powder but have to kill before evasion drops 😂

Pretty similar to arms though when Die by sword was up

[nova marsh]

I will level my arms boy on the 17th

[obsidian otter]

I wish they shut off the reshi wraps

On 17th

[nova marsh]

Is it simming higher then 240s?

[obsidian otter]

Yup

ATM yes

[nova marsh]

Wth

[steady isle]

is arms the new tank spec on 17th ?

[obsidian otter]

The proc is just to good

[thorn stream]

Was sub like 14%

[full obsidian]

colossus feels like doodoo

[obsidian otter]

Even leveling to 90 using it you can like instnstly delete mobs when it procs

You could heroic throw and it proc and a mob just dies 😂

Looked like you moonfired them

[thin galleon]

how bad is arms really

[obsidian otter]

Idk if it’s always been this way by trinkets are procing on battleshout an howl use

[full obsidian]

arms feels like ass atm dono how bad the damage is though

[thin galleon]

fury also feels like ass

so guess its doomed

[obsidian otter]

Fury feels like fury always has except you press rampage more now

[full obsidian]

fury is somewhat playable but yea

gotta wait for the 17th and pray

[thin galleon]

fury is literally just rage capping and still pressing other buttons, that is complete ass

[obsidian otter]

In reck it’s pretty much cosmetic

[full obsidian]

its lookin like just level some other class rn if u wana have fun this expac

[thin galleon]

I mean this is my 3rd char so realistically guess I'll just tank m+ on it

unfortunate

[obsidian otter]

You really don’t even have to think about rage if your following prio pressingBloodbath on CD filling globals with Ramp/SD and the rare times you will have 1 to maybe 2 fillers in that window

The fact bloodbath hits harder then MS is crazy to me

[thin galleon]

ye and then u wanna TC on CD so rampage takes a backseat even to that

🫃🏾

disaster pov

on aoe ofc

[obsidian otter]

I play slayer so I don’t TC or TB 😢

[full obsidian]

slayer does feel a bit better tbh

[thin galleon]

I cant get myself to play slayer when I either have to drop avatar or play slayer without BS

[full obsidian]

dropping avatar feels wrong though

[obsidian otter]

You don’t drop BS unless your talking about the raid build

Mythic + your taking BS 100%

[thin galleon]

''drop avatar or play without BS'' I want both

😭

[full obsidian]

exactly

they changed how its ment to be

thats just wrong

[obsidian otter]

You know something is wrong when your hero spec is working better without the main component that makes it even work

[thin galleon]

good thing my warrior is no longer my main alt I guess

[full obsidian]

cant believe im sayin it but

[thin galleon]

no suffering in splits

[full obsidian]

warrior just gives me the ick rn

[quiet bramble]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id-JBhZojtw&t=141s @obsidian otter i remember stumbling across this vid which had me hyped up

[obsidian otter]

Yeah that was pre nerf OP build

[quiet bramble]

shit actually looks like blademaster

[obsidian otter]

Was fun playing that build did so good could do 600k+ aoe now on beta I can’t even hit 500k as cleave spec 450k max if you get good procs 🤦‍♂️

I hit like 180k single target peak on ice boss 😂 was so good

Compared to what we got now

I had all +15s recorded to upload but knew that OP nerf was coming

That was also pre reap of storm nerf

The proc rate lowered now

If they would have only nerfed OP by like 20% and we also got the cleave change we would easily be A tier

Maybe lowest high B tier

[flint cedar]

Jet and Vets - This Colo Mythic spec - Ravager feels weird during the rotation - I just want to hit my cleave mash to feel somewhat strong atm - trying to follow the prio but hitting this build up wall. Is there a Cleave Spec that still has BS in lieu of ravager?

[minor gust]

Colo will never take BS

[flint cedar]

understood

[minor gust]

If you don't want to play rava stick with playing slayer

[fallen dome]

Slayer has BS and cleave spam.

[elder path]

if you dont wanna play rava start hiring a craigslist witch to get that shit removed

PLEASE

[flint cedar]

lol. Thanks gang. I will swap to the slayer multi target and take advantage of cleave until hopefully blizzard shows us some love on the 17th

[minor gust]

Been asking for ava and rava removed since they ADDED THEM BACK

[elder path]

im an avatar sympathizer bc im a sucker for theme and i think its a cool button to press but youre not wrong on its gameplay implications

ravager just sucks for fantasy and gameplay

dinky little ghost weapon that spins around and has no interaction with your kit other than making your 1 button even stronger

[minor gust]

Avatar with torments sure can be cool, but naked avatar is pretty damn bad. Just button bloat at this point. Off gcd ability that has no meaningful interaction with the spec

[elder path]

yea i hear ya, id just rather see it get reworked in someway than outright removed but its rlly just personal preference i dont have anything tangible to support that lol

[minor gust]

If the devs loved us they would come up with a brand new CD for arms. Just let ava be a thing only for prot and fury for thane

[elder path]

but alas

[minor gust]

Alas indeed

[elder path]

the devs despise our very existence

[minor gust]

The very same lazy devs who in TWW decided to cut an existing talent in half instead of coming up with something new

[burnt flint]

Is arms fun? Deciding if I should come back to wow. Does it feel goood?

[kindred breach]

class feels like ass without at least 20% haste

especially arms

[kindred breach]

not if you like doing damage

[median fox]

Gameplay wise i find it fun. Balance wise is atrocious

Im gearing mine in hopes that we get some love the 17th

[kindred breach]

need more questing and follower dungeon data before tuning

[keen siren]

why does ravager do no dmg

[cedar flame]

So if warrior is dead what are the fun specs to play in midnight? Haven't played much wow at all since early Shadowlands

[keen siren]

warrior is fun still

[latent moss]

it does

it buffs cleave

and cleave does damage

[minor gust]

Gameplay mainly slayer is pretty good. But that's the only positive currently.

[shut token]

Many tier lists are placing arms at the bottom and much negative feedback overall, do you think the problem is tuning only or does the spec need to be reworked/ changed to perform well?

[eternal edge]

Imho some tuning is mandatory for arms spec overall
A lil rework to be more intuitive and fun for Colossus would be great
Slayer is fun overall

[wind hatch]

I think colossus sucks absolute balls rn

[eternal edge]

Def agree

[wind hatch]

Cleave is way too strong compared to everything else, even demolish does no damage

and getting rage starved is too common

[eternal edge]

Cleave takes too much place overall
Even whirlwind is not considered / used AT ALL

Ravager sucks

Demolish is bad tuning and bad gameplay

[tawdry bear]

I want a rework, why are we like 20% bleeds that dont feel overly impactful?

Its just passive damage.

[eternal edge]

We're supposed to be here for dots

[shut token]

Personally arms is my favorite spec and I like the abilities and how they sound (except for slam) I also don’t really like maintaining rend I would rather have an option to bake that damage into more direct heavy hits. I also would like execute to be a priority and hard hitting even as colossus

[eternal edge]

It's my fav spec too, but slayer only

Otherwise it's a non sense

[tawdry bear]

I liked when Rend the bleeds felt good.
But now they feel like fillers.

[shut token]

I think the talent that makes mortal strike apply rend should do so regardless of the targets health and I think the final apex talent should replace slam with heroic strike permanently

[eternal edge]

Nah

Too strong for HS

[tawdry bear]

That would be scary brother.

It does almost the same damage as mortalstrike.

[eternal edge]

Yup

[shut token]

Remove the damage from bleeds and it could work?

As an option?

[eternal edge]

BTW we're the only class that we got "new spells" that are in fact vanilla spells reworked and reintroduced

[latent moss]

at this point replace all dot talents on colossus with

stuff like mortal combo

enduring blows

maybe even like pile on or something idk

[dim basalt]

If you want the entire apex to be reworked sure lol

[eternal edge]

Tbh apex are bad design

[dim basalt]

Not really, in some way theyre just a tier set

[shut token]

We gotta be one of the only specs to get more rotational abilities to press?

[wind hatch]

i like apex besides the last point

[shut token]

After the pruning

[dim basalt]

We do have less

[eternal edge]

The what xD

[dim basalt]

Roar gone, SkS gone

[shut token]

I didn’t use slam last expansion

[eternal edge]

Wtf

How

[dim basalt]

Then you were griefing hard

lmao

[shut token]

I played mostly pvp

[eternal edge]

Even in PvP you had to use it

Anyway
Pruning was not hard on us cause we lost only one direct CD

[shut token]

I know it’s more optimal but some abilities just makes the game unfun to me and unfortunately slam and rend to some extent are that. Also raging blow as fury. I try to find alternative specs as much as I can. I now have heroic strike bound with mortal strike and removed slam from my bars

[burnt flint]

Okay thank you! Not looking good based on the other replies. But too be fair I’ll be coming back to play at casual rate. So maybe if slayer feels good then I’ll enjoy it.

[eternal edge]

If you're not playing at high difficulty, slayer is fun yeah

[minor gust]

Tuning is a constant revolving door. Sometimes it's good sometimes it's bad. Arms is very likely to get buffs through out the first month or two till it's fine. So always just focus on fun

[eternal edge]

If you wanna push in harder modes, think about fury sadly

Copium about march 17th

[tawdry bear]

I feel our apex is kinda bland. It doesnt feel great overall. I honestly thought blizzard said they wanted to move away from random procs of damage.

[wind hatch]

hoping for more than just an aura buff this time

[tawdry bear]

Heroic strike is a random proc :/ 3% more damage that doesnt cap but it is a decaying buff.

[minor gust]

Arms functions well except for Colo. It could use a full rework at this point. Any other rework is just for the sake of new things. Arms just currently heavily undertuned. Which is easily fixed if Blizz wants to fix it

[dim basalt]

Its pretty strong tho

[minor gust]

HS procs frequently enough. It's a strong apex talent

[tawdry bear]

It might just be my feelings on it then.

A lot of people dont even have the last talent in the apex. So I thought it was a shared opinion.

[dim basalt]

Well the last point sucks

But that doesnt make the other 3 weaker

[minor gust]

Last point is a different story

That thing is dog trash

But the main core apex itself is very good

[dim basalt]

If it increased the damage amp of cs instead it would be really sick

[shut token]

Is there any chance for a rework or will it most likely be a damage tuning for us on the 17th?

[keen siren]

why does excecute do no dmg

[dim basalt]

Just tuning

[dim basalt]

Deep Wounds

[shut token]

Execute hitting for less than slam and cleave is a real flaw of the spec imo

[minor gust]

Any potential for anymore reworks was over a month ago on beta. It's too late now. Next opportunity for changes will be for 12.1

[tawdry bear]

Ngl, I like cleave. I dont like that I spam it. But the flow outside of the first 4 feels good with sweeping strikes.

[shut token]

Agree cleave is a nice feeling ability but I still think execute should be harder hitting

[tawdry bear]

Yeah, it feels bad that my execute phase even as slayer feels like a spam to do the same amount of damage.

But we have bleeds. When execute crits, they bleed.

👍

[dim basalt]

Execute does not have to crit

[minor gust]

Also people complaining about arms not taking the last apex point should check out void scarred dev DH. They don't take their apex at all

Spec still bangs tho lots of fun

[tawdry bear]

My bad, that's mortal strike.

Deep wounds just refreshes right? It doesn't stack it's damage?

[dim basalt]

It ignites, so it does stack damage

[wind hatch]

would it be a hot take to say that sweeping strikes is too passive right now

it feels like it's up permanently

[shut token]

It should be off the gcd at least

[minor gust]

Can just have broadstrokes replace SS and give it 18 stacks instead of 12

Let it just be passive at this point

[shut token]

Yeah that would be a great quality of life upgrade

Isn’t it funny how slam has survived all of the prunings back and forth through the years and when midnight comes I was sure it was going away and then they go make an apex talent of it? 😅

[minor gust]

Hot take but there's nothing wrong with slam ESPECIALLY midnight slam.

It's your main filler and at least now there's talents for slam and HS does a great job re using slam and making it better

Slam actually feels part of the spec and not just a pure filler.

[tawdry bear]

But the animation is ugly. I slap them with my axe.

[shut token]

Yeah it’s ugly and the sound is just as bad, it doesn’t FEEL impactful :/

[tawdry bear]

Like, mortal strike is a beautiful crisp strike.

Then it is just thud thud thud thud.

[minor gust]

That's just a different issue then and one that's a lot more subjective.

[slow saddle]

I mean 30% chance of proc

Also its called slam

U slam em?

A slammin sound is a thud?

[shut token]

Is the chance for proccing hs 30%?!

[tawdry bear]

When you have beautiful sounds like the mortal strike heroic strike and execute. The animations are amazing. And then you get the 30yr old slap.

This is all personal preference for me though.

[shut token]

A lot of people agree

[slow saddle]

30% of proccin oo

🤣

Op

I mean slam is supposed to make the other spells look good

Like that ugly friend

[tawdry bear]

It is the filler we need, not the filler I want.

[shut token]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-kenobi-of-course-i-know-him-hes-me-gif-12774102

Imo just removing slam and bake its damage into op would feel better

[elder path]

anyone who says sound design doesnt matter is just straight ill informed

it matters so much to how enjoyable something is to play, i think if slam sounds even slightly cooler the spec feels like 10x better lol

[eternal edge]

Same

[elder path]

gokke is right tho that it cant sound too good bc it IS a filler

[slow saddle]

I mean why?

Op is a proc spell

Slam is our last resort

And in execute we exe

[shut token]

Because overpower feels and spud a better to me and also I can free up a keybind

[slow saddle]

Hate callin u out

But play fdk

So if they remove slam...

We have 0 op ms cd

We just stand still?

[shut token]

Give op an extra charge, problem solved

[slow saddle]

Nope

[shut token]

Or incorporate execute more through more procs or a talent making it useable more often. Then we have something that feels good to press

[dim basalt]

We can already use execute a lot

wdym

[shut token]

Not as colossus

But slayer yeah

[dim basalt]

Colossus is not supposed to like execute?

[shut token]

It does less dmg than slam and cleave as col. only worth pressing if sudden death procs and you have executioners precision talented

So not a lot

[dim basalt]

Well yes because col is not about execute

[tawdry bear]

When dragons could become warriors they were bugged to make no sounds in dragon form.

I deleted the character right away.

[dim basalt]

And if we suddenly make execute good for col then the entire point of hero talents is gone

[elder path]

hot take maybe but hero talents are not for gameplay they are for flavor and fantasy but just like covenants nobody does that

and thats why the system feels so fucked on some classes

[shut token]

Call me old fashioned but to me arms warrior was always about heavy hitting mortal strikes, overpower and big ass executes

[tawdry bear]

I think bleeds were a part of the identity of arms. They were a duelist class.

[shut token]

But if I want to execute a target, why put a bleed on them? Just make it hit hard enough to finish them

[tawdry bear]

The big executes and mortal strikes became more noticeable as the class progressed, yeah.

[shut token]

I think arms is having a bit of an identity crisis, is it a big heavy hitter or a bleed spec? Right now it’s not doing either especially well unfortunately

[dim basalt]

Col is the heavy hitter, slayer is the execute bleed

Though slayer is not good at bleeds

Though it kind of should be the other way around as col has the bleed nodes

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shut token]

Yeah that’s what I mean, it doesn’t make sense

Make colossus all out on big hits and remove the bleed talents and give them to slayer (or just cut them off if asking me)

[obsidian lance]

Demolish is trash, i play only slayer, is better. Fun aspect. Demolish needs be a proc to change mortal strike. He is as separated skill... Bruh

[dim basalt]

Demolish is hella fun

[shut token]

Actually a good idea,

[minor gust]

I hate the sound for demolish shit sounds weak af. Needs to sound like poe2 slams needs to be deep and loud

[obsidian lance]

Slayer makes arms more fun, 30 BS in a row

[eternal edge]

This please.

[obsidian lance]

I refused playing with colossus. I make slayer in m+. I have played much better

[full obsidian]

yea

i cant stand colossus tbh

[shut token]

Interesting I prefer colossus a lot

[dim basalt]

3 seasons of Slayer in raid was just tiring

[shut token]

I guess that what’s makes it so hard for blizzard to makes everyone satisfied. Our idea of fun differs a lot even in the same spec

[obsidian lance]

I know that colossus does a little more damage at m+, but dmg is not enough for me to sacrifice fun. With Slayer I feel the gameplay is more fluid.

[eternal edge]

Sorry but slam was a big damage dealer in previous expansions, so this argument makes no sense.
It's always our filler, if we follow your thoughts, OP will become like slam and it's not an option imo

[full obsidian]

yea colossus just feels awkward

slams been dated for ages though

kinda valid

[eternal edge]

It's always about numbers and in that case, "sound"

But it's definitely subjective when we talked about sound effect

[shut token]

Yeah, it’s about the sound, the animation and the feeling. That’s what I don’t like about slam and I know a lot of warriors feel the same

[eternal edge]

I prefer remove rend or other bleeding instead of slam

[obsidian lance]

Arms need more pruning. Make sweeping strikes passive like whirlwind buff in fury. Imagine that : doing cleave, u gain 4 stacks of sweeping strikes

[slow saddle]

I know a lot of warriors wanted avatar

Still a horrid take

[eternal edge]

God damn please no
We don't want to be spammers

[shut token]

Avatar should have been pruned but people cried their ass off about it

[obsidian lance]

Yea

[slow saddle]

Just like the slam tears now

Slam does its job and it does it. Well

[full obsidian]

leave avatar out of this rn

[shut token]

Do you honestly think slam feels good and rewarding to press?

[eternal edge]

Imo, remove bleed effects including rend, remove cleave or whirlwind, and make SS out of GCD

[slow saddle]

Its a fillee

[tawdry bear]

Arms is a duelist class, I believe it was designed around healer pressure. The mortal strukes and executes did good damage and cut healing. But then the bleeds would apply consistent pressure on life totals.

[slow saddle]

Wtf do u want

[full obsidian]

yea i dont know what this slam take is

[dim basalt]

Avatar is the most useless cd in the game and its a shame it came back

[full obsidian]

slam needs to go fam

she gotta go fam

[slow saddle]

Like a filler is a filler

[eternal edge]

Agreed

[slow saddle]

Its not supposed to feel good

[eternal edge]

Let slam be the filler

[dim basalt]

Ask devourers how they feel about their filler

[eternal edge]

It's always a filler since ages

[full obsidian]

it shouldnt feel that alien

[tawdry bear]

I think slam is fine, I just want the animation and sounds to be not from a 30yr old version.

[slow saddle]

If every button feels good no button feels impactfull

[eternal edge]

We can talk about many fillers then lol

[tawdry bear]

They improved frost strike to look better.

[shut token]

It doesn’t have to sound and look awful just because it’s a filler

[slow saddle]

Thats subjective

Looks fine on void elf

Imho

[eternal edge]

I like it actually

[full obsidian]

nothing subjective about how trash it looks

[tawdry bear]

Void elf is new race, new animations.

[slow saddle]

Less is more in gen with warrior

[tawdry bear]

Humans are old as fuck.

[slow saddle]

Yes so

Problem isnt slam

Problem is race

[tawdry bear]

Its the animations.

[eternal edge]

Upgrade the OP design instead of slam then? Idk

[tawdry bear]

For a dwarf, they do some weird ass spin.

[shut token]

Humans mortal, execute and cleave are still nice so it’s a slam problem for sure

[slow saddle]

Nah its a race problem

[eternal edge]

Bruh use it as NE ahaha

[tawdry bear]

Taurens have like an over hand chop for slam.

[eternal edge]

We make a 360

When slam

[slow saddle]

Thats nice?

[shut token]

It still sounds the same

[eternal edge]

I feel it's nice personnally

But it's fucking old

Like since Vanilla

And tbh

I like it

[slow saddle]

Its racial animation btw

Its not slam

[eternal edge]

Yup

[full obsidian]

you seem to like a lot of shit stuff so far tbf

[slow saddle]

I played since tbc as well

[eternal edge]

Ask my wife bro

[full obsidian]

i dont know that woman

so i will not :p

[eternal edge]

So don't tell I like weird stuff, it's personal opinion

[obsidian lance]

the avatar's buff of just increasing damage is already outdated by the standards that wow retail is at. looks like a classic buff. For other classes, burst buffs do more than just increase damage. The avatar needs to be reworked or its arms renewed and a buff that matches the lore and gameplay better. my opinion only.

[eternal edge]

I respect yours, so respect mine

[full obsidian]

we dont gotta repsect each others opinions whered that ever come from

[shut token]

If they changed our last apex talent into permanently replace slam with heroic strike and tune the damage accordingly it would be great

[slow saddle]

Why??

Jesus just leave🤣

[tawdry bear]

A spamabke mortal strike thst increased damage by 3% is kinda strong.

[slow saddle]

Ikr

[shut token]

Well we need a buff 💪

[tawdry bear]

And if you adjust the damage to fit the roll it just becomes slam again. We just have A NICER ANIMATION. lol

[slow saddle]

Exactly

[tawdry bear]

Fix the outdated animations and I think people will like slam again.

[shut token]

Don’t forget the sound

[tawdry bear]

I am not here to slap someone with my axe, I wanna slam it down on their face.

[eternal edge]

Nice animation : the same animation of MS with red flow instead of blue

[shut token]

Yeah i would take that

[tawdry bear]

Reverse direction.

So it feels like a flow and not the same movement.

[eternal edge]

Anyway.

We need buff tuning first instead of design rework

[tawdry bear]

I want to have the cake and eat it too.

Give me more damage and make me pretty.

[eternal edge]

We're pretty, you just don't like it cause you need to slam more with an old race design

Just rerace then

[tawdry bear]

Honestly, I think Taurens have the best slam.

That overhand chop is pretty cool.

[shut token]

Ret paladins gets both buffs and new animations every 3 months so maybe we could have it for once

[tawdry bear]

Humans and dwarfs suck.

Domt get me started on gnomes. I dont know how people stick to that in pvp.

[eternal edge]

We just lost good animation cause Colossus smash, so don't dream about it for now

[shut token]

I would never play a gnome, ever. And im a pvp main

[eternal edge]

War breaker from Legion was great

[tawdry bear]

Omg yes, that stomp was beautiful.

Felt epic.

[eternal edge]

Now we turn around before slamming the ground

[tawdry bear]

How do the animations look on Haranir? I haven't seen them yet.

[eternal edge]

Simple

Take an NE

And you got the answer

[tawdry bear]

Gotcha. Tauren is still top tier slam then.

[obsidian lance]

a new buff I created to replace avatar, MY OPINION master of arms: 1.5 min cd, 20 second duration increases haste by 20%. Each skill cast causes the damage of the next skill to increase by 5%. This accumulates for the next skills. When Weapon Master ends, for 20 sec you penetrate 1% armor for each damaging skill done while master of arms was active. The numbers are examples only. Then Blizzard would fix the numbers so it wouldn't be too strong. what do you think?

[shut token]

I like it, a lot more interesting than avatar

And fits the spec theme fantasy

[tawdry bear]

Wasn't this just the rage/skill talent buff without the haste?

Like when you colossal smash, for each 10 points of rage you spent you got 1%str

Test of might!

I think it would be too strong at 5% because when you cleave it casts slam as a seperate skill. So each cleave is 10% damage you spam 4 of them in 3 seconds, you now do 50% more damage.

And then you have the rest of avatar to go through.

[shut token]

That would fix our balance issue as well then

[tawdry bear]

My god bladestorm with that would be scarry. It casts mortal strike each other hit.