arms

[slow saddle]

I suggested

Condemn back

Choice node with massacre

[eternal edge]

Stack for arms OVERALL
We got too many stacks to build to deal anything
Even the last apex is a joke

[umbral badger]

it's genuinly crazy to me how long the ramp up for arms is where any fight with hero at opener just completely ruins your class

and every time there is a long downtime in a fight you also do nothing

[slow saddle]

There no ramp now isbthere

[umbral badger]

lol

[fresh spire]

Sadly ggg shouldn't be yapping about tuning when people have been complaining groundloot has been shit for like 9 leagues to now only address it

[umbral badger]

i mean colossus will always suffer the ramp issue

[eternal edge]

This tbh

[slow saddle]

Y

[umbral badger]

and HC STRIKE is adding up to the issue

[slow saddle]

Col doenst earn that much from more stacks?

[umbral badger]

the stacking mefchanism of HS is actually

just sovling the issue they wanted to address by splitting the issue between more stacking mechanics

[slow saddle]

Again hs is on individual cd

[umbral badger]

yes yes but you don't get what i am talking about

[slow saddle]

So no

[umbral badger]

i am saying, they kinda changed the executioner stacks for slayer cuz they were annoying to keep up and ramp up

[fresh spire]

Hs is less of an issue as it buffs our entire kit.

[umbral badger]

right ?

[fresh spire]

Not just one button. We don't care about stacks. It's strictly passive. It doesn't extend

[slow saddle]

So we dont rly ramp

[umbral badger]

but now instead of one big issue of exeuctioner stacks, now we have 2 small issues

[slow saddle]

As slayer a none issue

[fresh spire]

Executioner when we get stats is almost always 2/3 stacks aswell which becomes a non issue

[umbral badger]

you say that but you are still donig shit dmg at start if you have zero hc stacks nad zero executioner stacks

[fresh spire]

Fury maintains 3 stacks alot better

[umbral badger]

hs *

[minor gust]

No it was more because you would game it in order to keep up the stacks as long as possible. Not due to some ramp up time.

The Slayer changes solves this

[fresh spire]

You barely ever have 0 stacks though.

[umbral badger]

yes but the ramp up issue was there because ofi t as well

[minor gust]

Keeps SD high prio without the need for conditionals

[fresh spire]

Arms after pull averages 4-5 always up from normal usage. 5-6 if sweeping

[slow saddle]

Issue was we could keep it up, so tuned around veing able 2

[umbral badger]

i am not saying it is the main issue, i am saying now we have too many stacks of diffferent types

so imagine this

[fresh spire]

Eh. Its nothing compared to before. Executioner isn't as overbearing as Juggernaut not by any margin

[minor gust]

Yeah there's a lot of the same mechanic in our kit now but your blowing the problem massively out of proportion

Imo

[umbral badger]

fight started, the guild opened with bloodlust, you are slayer and you are supposed to spend the first 20 seconds of bloodlust without any stakcs or enough stacks "either or"

THIS will be a big dps loss for you

[slow saddle]

Some rng

Is common

Besides hs proc rate is high

In st

[umbral badger]

i dunno i think it is a lot of dmg to not have on BL but that being said

it is why i highlighted it is a colossus issue more atm

[slow saddle]

If u get horrid rng yes

But again, horrid rng is horrid rng

Ive also seen logs with 20% crit on ms, on a char witg 35% crit

[umbral badger]

well, you will still have the chance for horrid rng on crit

[eternal edge]

Tbh I don't think that's the main issue
But the main issue is just... Damage.
We're so low ATM wtf is that

[umbral badger]

either way i think it will be a small issue for slayer but a very big one for colossus

[slow saddle]

Wont

U wont play collosus

[umbral badger]

especially because as a colossus my ravager gave me tons of stacks

[slow saddle]

So its a non issue🤣

[minor gust]

There's just other more important problems then the stacking mechanics of slayer and HS def Colo takes a bigger hit that's more of an issue stemmed from other changes to the spec

[umbral badger]

trust me brother i was one of the few colossus warriors even on fights no one touched arms even 😄

[slow saddle]

Is cm stacks still 10 btw?

[umbral badger]

so i will still try to make it work

yes it is 10 stacks

[slow saddle]

Kek when slayers 5

[umbral badger]

but i have 16% crit and no mortal strikes resets so it feels like 30 stacks xd

[slow saddle]

🤣

[fresh spire]

Colosuss is just unplayable

[slow saddle]

Y well nothin matters until at least in hc geae

Hc raid that is

[fresh spire]

If you aren't using cleave with it then prepared to just feel slow and shit

[slow saddle]

Y collosus is doa

[umbral badger]

with their changes, we need CS duration to be doubled too xd

[slow saddle]

Slayer arms has a chance

[fresh spire]

Colossus is in an unbelievable bad spot for both flow and numbers.

[umbral badger]

spending 20 hours stacking my CS stacks then in M+ there is 900000 role play in midnight for some reason

[eternal edge]

Numbers.
We don't

[minor gust]

Flow especially

[slow saddle]

But flow is worst

[umbral badger]

and i am literlaly like 'I LITERALLY SPENT AN ENTIRE HOUR STACKING MY CS AND I JUST LOST IT CUZ THE BOSS WANTS TO TALK"

[slow saddle]

Imagine being dead last in dmg, and flow is a bigger issue🤣🤣🤣

So far ive just played fury

Spec works in any gear

[minor gust]

But flow is not gonna be fixed during s1 you gonna have to hold onto these complaints and wait till S2 ptr cycle

[umbral badger]

ALSO the change to sweepign strike is crazy funny to me

[minor gust]

And hope Blizz decides to do arms changes

[umbral badger]

they made ti SOOO noob friendly it feels like it's just there without even trying to click it

[slow saddle]

12 + 12 = 12

Lol they did not

They made it not noob friendly😅

[umbral badger]

what do you mean xd it has no duration bro

it's just perma thre lol

[slow saddle]

12 + 12 = noob friendly

If u click 2 early u get fcked

[umbral badger]

no longer do you need to think of the cd and duration and when to use it and how to get maximum value during the duration

[eternal edge]

You have to btw

[slow saddle]

Its number of gcds

[umbral badger]

i can say that i don't know how it feels for slayer cuz i coudln't stand slayer arms in dungeon but for colossus it's never not there

[slow saddle]

Its worse

U notice it in + 15s

[eternal edge]

You got 12 stacks from 2 different sources and there's no combined

[slow saddle]

Mistake is costly

[umbral badger]

well yea but i am just using it during the 90000 years of RP now and i don' have to worry about the duration

[slow saddle]

Esp when 2nd cs comes up🤣

[slow saddle]

Wont help

[umbral badger]

and then i have 12 stacks of sweeping, with sweeping ready, with a free sweeping from colossus smash.. etc

[eternal edge]

So @slow saddle is right the normal one is easier but it's not noob friendly if you wanna use it at its full potential

[slow saddle]

Coz then u hold cs

[umbral badger]

dunno i am finding it much more noob friendly cuz i had to know a lot about every fight to time sweeeping strikes in the past

with how it had much shorter duraiton than it's cd

[slow saddle]

Nah

U just send on pull

[eternal edge]

Tbh idk why the stacks are not combined, that's a mystery

[slow saddle]

Broadstrokes should prob just make it passive

As u have nearly 100% uptime played well and lucky

Played poorly its a shit show

[umbral badger]

i guess if you are not good at the spec you can get it to 18 stacks and never worry about it

[fresh spire]

Functionally. If you precast ss it's better than it was before

[umbral badger]

that being said i am more happy iwht 25% more dmg

cuz 12 stacks are more than enough to me

[fresh spire]

But the broad/sweep overlap is fucking dumb

[slow saddle]

Yup

Not intuitive

At all

[fresh spire]

You get alot more out of sweep say precasting 15 seconds before burst aoe. Sitting on the stacks before adds spawn to line up 2nd usage for next adds before hand

[umbral badger]

still i think they are just trying to make things easier for new players and that's why they are mixing shit all over the place

to me it's more like pera duration sweep is op now because you don't want to use CS before adds are stacked

[fresh spire]

Broad needs to be changed to replace sweep so you can't manual cast but give 18 stacks instead and remove improved sweep from tree

[umbral badger]

meaning your pre cast sweep is gonna be usefull then you renew it with CS when the ads are stacked

[slow saddle]

Yup

[umbral badger]

but improved sweep is probably one of the things i never liekd anywya

was it ever good ?

[fresh spire]

Nah because it lasts 30 seconds. So say you get adds 10 seconds time then more 20 seconds after. Cast 10 seconds early. Lasts until 2nd adds spawn then recast for then

[umbral badger]

even before it was trash

[slow saddle]

C its become science

To perfect

[eternal edge]

Vanilla arms was easier xD

[umbral badger]

i mean previous sweep was science too xd

even more

[eternal edge]

Nah

[slow saddle]

No

U send

Done

[umbral badger]

nooo

[eternal edge]

You used it and spam, done

[umbral badger]

you have no idea

[slow saddle]

M8

Fr

I played up to 4k

Or close 2

3900 ish

[eternal edge]

Bruh I played arms since Vanilla so yes it was no science to play

[umbral badger]

brother you are wrong trust me :p one example liberation of the undermine, you have to use it 4 seconds before add spawn roughly or you won't have it on next add spawn

so you need to time it perfetly

if you use too ealry it's a big problem cuz you lost it before first adds spawned, and if you used it 1 sec latger you don't have it on second add spawn

[slow saddle]

M8

[fresh spire]

If they make apex scale avatar we will barley use normal sweep with broad anyway

[umbral badger]

also i've played arms forever too :p

[slow saddle]

Did u not use timers?

[fresh spire]

[slow saddle]

Like

[cobalt lodge]

I gotta say that playing Arms currently in dungeons; none of your abilities feel like they actually hit hard. Its all wet noodles

[slow saddle]

Sweat noodles

[umbral badger]

@slow saddle we are literally talking about timers here, needing to use abilities in such a tight 1-2 second timer in such a way is not the "noob frinedly" thing

[cobalt lodge]

Inside Avatar its okay at best, but even propped up MS does 6.5k

[slow saddle]

Yes but now, hear me out 2nd add sets is hit or miss

If 12 + 12 = 24

Problem solved and noob friendly

[umbral badger]

to be fair we are talking about 2 different things i guess, i was talking more about bosses.

[slow saddle]

Now if adds die in 12 sec

Its a non issue

[umbral badger]

in M+ it was not complicated for sure

[slow saddle]

If they die in 18

[umbral badger]

cuz in M+ you did just use it on start and that's it

so it's true that it was not complicated in m+ before but was complicated in raids and now it's the opposite i guess

it's a fair point

[slow saddle]

Nah issue is same now

12 + 12 = 12

Is just weird

Rebuff 4th apex and its even worse

[umbral badger]

i mean we won't get a perma 2 target cleave in raids i would assume and so window based cleave is simplified if you don't have duration

also i do believe HS should give us 2 stacks when we hit 2 targets with it >.<

lol

would be more engaging then

man i think the idea of leaving tunning to the 17th 1 day before raid is trash ppl need to make decisions earlier

also doing quest line half speed is not fair

[dim basalt]

And we shouldnt expect much for 17th either

[slow saddle]

Ofc

[dim basalt]

24th will prob be a bigger balance update

[slow saddle]

Its a shitshow

[umbral badger]

is that announced ?

[eternal edge]

Worst start for arms since WoD iirc

[slow saddle]

M8

No

[dim basalt]

No but it makes sense

[slow saddle]

Shadowlands s1🤣

[dim basalt]

Its hard to read valuable data without any meaningful content

[umbral badger]

yup, i feel like ppl doing double my speed in quest line are like P2W although we paid the same

[eternal edge]

Oh yeah but SL is pain wtv you talking about that expac to me ahaha

[umbral badger]

you know what colossus needs? focused rage 😂

it's the literal colossus warrrior fantasy

[slow saddle]

Tbf i loved sl

After 0.5 patch

Sl was great

[eternal edge]

We need numbers and not a newbie to dev our spec

[slow saddle]

Archie should just be given dev job for 1 season

[umbral badger]

where are the focused rage lovers bruv

btw was our warcry 8% attack power before ? i remember it at 10%

[slow saddle]

It was 5

[eternal edge]

It was 5%

[slow saddle]

For ages

10 is classic

[umbral badger]

ah 5 yea 5

i don't like the improved warcries i dont' feel ti's enough to get us into m+

[dim basalt]

Our utility is good enough tbh

[eternal edge]

That's for raid

[umbral badger]

i like it as an effect but feels like using my final point on something that won't help

[slow saddle]

M8

M+ wants dmg

All that matters

5% ap is good

[umbral badger]

ofc, but that does not seem what blizzarrd thinks lol

which makes me hate that improved warcry thing more

[dim basalt]

I mean our buff is the strongest buff in the game, numerically

[slow saddle]

Utility talk is cope

Yup

Fury was meta or near meta

[umbral badger]

"hey guys, can i join your m+ grp ? i can give the healer 3% more attack pwoer now"

LOL

[slow saddle]

Coz of it last season

[dim basalt]

And Shockwave is stupidly strong now that theres no cc immunity on PvE mobs

[slow saddle]

5%

Its not 8

For others

[spiral coral]

I think he’d get disgusted and leave. Unless they had a chipotle built in the food court.

[umbral badger]

oh shit that's even wrose lol

[slow saddle]

Nah

5% is a alot

For a lot of dps

[dim basalt]

Still the best buff ye

[umbral badger]

my joke failed hard

[slow saddle]

I just said dmg is king

[dim basalt]

It would be kinda bad if it was 5% strength / agi

[slow saddle]

Healer also wants 5% more dmg

Monk healer ap?

[dim basalt]

Do healers even do damage anymore besides druid and monk

[lapis gate]

Is arms actually as bad as the "tier" list sugggests?

[fresh spire]

I imagine tuning blue post will come before 17th. Likely Friday before giving time for people to decide

[eternal edge]

Yup

[fresh spire]

Aoe is kinds OK st stinks

[umbral badger]

to some exxtent yes , your aoe is fine your ST is healer levels

[lapis gate]

Any word on a fix or is it another season of ramapage

[umbral badger]

and there are some issues with the playstyle too

[dim basalt]

Our rdruid does like 30k dps if he doesnt have to heal which is lowkey crazy

[slow saddle]

Yup

[umbral badger]

my motto when it comes to blizzard, never have faith.

[lapis gate]

Rip arms

[slow saddle]

Rampage itnid

Fury is good in m+

[eternal edge]

Tbf I never got it with the last nerf

[umbral badger]

because sadly even though dmg is king in m+ and arms dps is fine, there is zero prio dmg

[lapis gate]

I play warrior when its bad, i play warrior when its good, i'm far to stupid for any other class.

[umbral badger]

inflating your overall dps but struggling on bosses wouldn't be welcome in m+ most of the times

[eternal edge]

Arms warrior even at its worst state like WOD or SL S1 or S2 cata

[dim basalt]

This expac you could argue that warrior is harder than most other classes

[fresh spire]

Dunno arms has spent most seasons not doing good St but going nuts aoe

Fury gained buttons this patch while every other spec lost buttons. Fury having rend is a sin

[eternal edge]

Arms too

[lapis gate]

But rent is applied through thunderclap so who cares?

[umbral badger]

the problem with that statement although it is somewhat accurate, is that like last expansion why would they invite arms when they can get a class that does same aoe but more ST

[latent moss]

slayer

[dim basalt]

If only Thane was played everywhere

[eternal edge]

You don't have to use TC

[fresh spire]

For thane yeh not for slayer which you actually hard cast

[lapis gate]

ah shit you right.

[dim basalt]

For dungeons it will be whatever

But in raid it will feel meh

[eternal edge]

Btw who cares rend is aoe now

[dim basalt]

At least its just a filler for RB

[latent moss]

its a button press

that contributes nothing

[dim basalt]

Imagine if it needed uptime lol

[eternal edge]

XD

[umbral badger]

is that a fury bleed thing ?

[fresh spire]

Rend going aoe is goated

[eternal edge]

Yup

[fresh spire]

So glad I don't have to spec tc wasting a point to make jt aoe

[eternal edge]

Sooo true

[umbral badger]

and here arms can't even apply bleed with cleave anymore "unless you crit which you won't with 16% crit"

[latent moss]

its a diff bleed

[umbral badger]

i dont' care, i was happy being the bleed spec 😄

[dim basalt]

It would be pretty strong if the application was guaranteed

[umbral badger]

16% crit sucks hard for "apply on crit" mechanics

[dim basalt]

Though they could just always apply it and scale it down a bit

Since both DWs are different spell ids

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[umbral badger]

i mean is it even doing mroe dmg than prevous expansion ? does not seem to me like it is the case

[eternal edge]

That's insane that we got 2 different DW

Like

Why

[umbral badger]

lets see, deep wounds 2.9% of my dmg

[dim basalt]

Its good tho

[umbral badger]

so no it's doing less dmg than when it was gauranteed xd

[eternal edge]

Yeah but combine them

[dim basalt]

Then its a mess to balance

Because theyre applied differently

One of the few smart choices the devs did

[umbral badger]

both bleeds were doing 10% of arms dps "up to 15%" without set bonus before. now they are hardly doing 5%-6% so they defo needs numerical buffs, especially when deepwounds is not gauranteed.

if they allowed deep wounds to do dmg then it would be an interesting change.

[latent moss]

if only colo bleeds werent nerfed to the ground

[umbral badger]

almost non existent the colossus bleeds yea

[latent moss]

cut to the bone went from

100% with the tierset

to 15%

axaxaxxaxa

[umbral badger]

this is why i said earlier they need colossus to crit 2-3 times "in relative numbers" compared to previous expansion to make it work and they won't do that

[slow saddle]

Also dw 33% nerf and 20% execute nerf. Coz well nobody knows

[eternal edge]

Cause why not ig

Tbh I'm devastated by theses nerfs

[slow saddle]

Now our execute phase 10% higher than pull

[eternal edge]

We're the worst spec or almost atm

[slow saddle]

So freakin sad

Not almost

Lowest ranked spec ctier, arms got its own rankin

F tier

[eternal edge]

🙁

[umbral badger]

also why is champion spear even more useless now 😄

[eternal edge]

Why is champion spear

Useless thing anyway shut it down

[umbral badger]

my champion spear tooltip number is like lower than my mortal strike unbuffed -tooltip number 😂

[slow saddle]

Its utility

[umbral badger]

it's like 1.5 mins cd on 1 extra cleave worth of dmg ?

[slow saddle]

Not dmg

[umbral badger]

it's 1.5 mins won't hurt if they make it do, like 2 cleaves instead of 1 worth of dmg xd

[slow saddle]

Problem isnt spear. Problem is it competes with dmg

No

Whole point is cc

Not dmg

[umbral badger]

i mean you said it , it competes with dmg

then it can't have low dmg even if the point is utility

[fresh spire]

Spear is pvp button. Remove it and add it to pvp talents ty

We almost had a cool button but we can't have cool things and take away the only thing dk brings to raid smh

[umbral badger]

our set bonus seems more aoe than ST

[fresh spire]

It's one of the better sets in the game for St tbh

[umbral badger]

it's 1 more sec on CS per cleave right ?

so the 4 cleaves would be very usefull i guess

[dense sphinx]

too bad tuning is ass

[eternal edge]

Wait what the bonus set!?

[eternal edge]

You don't realize than the tier set is also insane in ST

It's one of the best we got imho

[umbral badger]

that's good yea

was thinking more along the lines of CS having enough duration to stay for ravager cleave buff

[eternal edge]

Oh
Yeah it's great for aoe too

[umbral badger]

yea more window to delay ravager 1-2 seconds

[mortal niche]

bladestorm buff when

so this ravager can go in it's rightful place, the bin

[slow saddle]

Just make rav pop on cd

S

[mortal niche]

going prot end of tww and ravager auto proccing

was so nice

negative damage waste of a button

[slow saddle]

Also would.make cs feel even better

Also current rage tuning

Begs for reck on cs talent

[mortal niche]

losing dam during demolish is fun, I'm having a great time

[slow saddle]

20% aoe nerf to demo

Was a good tuning

🥲

[mortal niche]

1 cleave > demolish

tough

it'l never get old the last apex talent just isnt taken

[slow saddle]

Yup

What i will say the idea of cdr is good

We just have it allready i am

[viral needle]

fury still better in M+ dps?

[sacred zodiac]

tuning dependent, come back week 2 of mythic

[viral needle]

So fury now, Arms later? ^^

[sacred zodiac]

doesnt matter now, tuning dependent later

play whatever you want

[viral needle]

got half the dmg of a UH DK as Arms... if fury is as shit I am done o_0

[last saddle]

i think arms and fury arent that different in shitty 220ilvl adventurer gear

[white stratus]

idk man i pvp as arms and i managed to mortal strike for 110k last night

with the honor gear

[slow saddle]

Yes

Arms is most likely dead

[slow saddle]

Its very much so

Fury feels better 100%

[blazing estuary]

Does anyone know if were supposed to sit on bladestorm in single target until collosus comes back?

[minor gust]

Wowhead guide is updated and gives that exact answer yes hold BS till next CS

[shadow ibex]

fury tier seems insane

cdr on every rampage for odyn

but does odyn even do dmg i havent touched fury since like undermine

surely a bleed that does like 500% AP in just 4 seconds is some good burst

man fury talents look so good

[mortal niche]

not really

[obsidian otter]

in aoe sure

[last saddle]

its like 3% of the dmg profile in st or something

[warm fog]

Getting cdr on odyns instead of more damage is pretty bad

[sharp tendon]

Overal dmg im not that far away in dungeons then others

Aoe we are oke

St suck just wait for buffs

[pulsar frost]

Wtf Is kekkers doing in warrior discord. Espically arms lmao

[fresh spire]

Top

[minor gust]

Theatre of pain

[mortal niche]

[last saddle]

de other side

[thick hamlet]

bros how do i make sweeping strikes show its duration/stacks in place of the icon itself when i activate it

[silk spade]

I must metaslave and do my rotations completely wrong

the wow player special

[mortal rivet]

@latent moss can’t you track slam?

That’ll show you when HS procs

[latent moss]

didnt know it worked on cdm

i remember trying it a while ago

i coudlnt even track slam or something

i dont remember

[minor gust]

Yeah it was one of the last things updated to the cdm can just track slam which doubles as a HS proc track

[fast wedge]

follower dungeon ST lmfao

[obsidian otter]

thats a you issue.. sorry bro

[fast wedge]

lvl 88 doing 50k on aoe?

[iron root]

Meredy be pumping

[fast wedge]

fr

[obsidian otter]

what dungeon did you run?

[fast wedge]

nexus point

[obsidian otter]

and what boss was that that you and followers killed in 1:15s ?

[last saddle]

at lvl 88 with 170ilvl gear i can see that being normal

[dense chasm]

maybe if ur weapon needs an upgrade

id expect closer to 16-17k

[fast wedge]

yeah my wep is 165..i just thought it was funny guys no need to break it down

[last saddle]

dont worry

on march 17th you will do the same amt of dmg with a better weapon

[fast wedge]

lmao

[last saddle]

they are gonna take away arms warrior's 2her and force us to use our arms

to punch enemies

[obsidian otter]

follower dungeon your not scaled or buffed you dont get the 15% from heroics so that is just your raw damage

[obsidian otter]

yes but which boss

[last saddle]

then they will give windwalker monk bladestorm

[fast wedge]

first or 2nd cant remember

[obsidian otter]

was fight with beams or without?

[fast wedge]

w/

[obsidian otter]

so chief fight ok

you still in there im guessing?

[fast wedge]

i mean the whole dungeon aoe felt great and ST i was fighting for 4th lol

nah been out for a while just wanted to share here cus i thought it was funny

[obsidian otter]

I wont run it on my 90 ill run it on my lv 80 arms at ilv 131 you get no scaling in here either

[fast wedge]

177 ilvl

[minor gust]

God damn bro hit up the wowhead guide or something you shouldn't be losing to follow dung npcs

[slow saddle]

Npcs be good

[minor gust]

Nah man those fuckers useless as hell I did the last dung of the campaign as a follower dung. Worst mistake of my life

[fast wedge]

LOL

[obsidian otter]

@fast wedge I did it on my two 90s and level 80s showed you fury just incase you wanted to see that as well follower dungeons scaling is based off your level but even at 88 you should be beating them in dps. Higher your ilv the more damage you will do there is no ilv scaling involved in the follower dungeons. Its just normal dungeon and mobs get scaled to your level.

kill time is same on all pretty much 1 min and few seconds

[haughty tapir]

I haven't looked a whole lot into Arms for Midnight yet, but is there a reason we don't take Thunder Clap to spread Rend in M+/mass AOE anymore?

[obsidian otter]

rend spreads it now

[haughty tapir]

indeed it does

Guess I should just read the tooltip

[obsidian otter]

you not first who have asked better to know either way right

[haughty tapir]

I was like "Surely I'm missing something"

Went through all the talents and stuff looking for what spreads Rend haha

Except "rend" itself

[obsidian otter]

yeah thunderclap is a dead talent in arms both specs 🙁

[haughty tapir]

I wish it was dead in Fury..

I don't like Thane haha

I don't know why.

[obsidian otter]

yeah thane for a warrior that already used thundercalp made sense to me but not sure on the lore if a thane warrior use two or one weapon

[haughty tapir]

But it just feels clunky. It's the main reason I'm starting to look into Arms.

[obsidian otter]

arms slayer is about 10k behind fury slayer in single target atm slayer arms does more aoe in bigger pulls then fury but not in smaller pulls

we still waiting hoping for single target buff for arms

[proud remnant]

i wish rend was dead period

[haughty tapir]

Oh yeah? I haven't even looked at sims yet tbh

Who's posted them?

[hexed saddle]

its much more than that in sims

[dim basalt]

Jet meant that right now Arms is only 10k behind, it gets much worse with gear

[obsidian otter]

much worst the longer the fights are

[hexed saddle]

arms is unironically competing with tanks

[slow saddle]

hmm did wow just crash

[slow saddle]

10k i mean ...

the % is the same

[minor gust]

Mountain Thane is based off the dwarf hero from Warcraft. 3. Who dual wielded a one-hand mace and ax

[obsidian otter]

even though I play both and enjoy both slayer arms and fury arms if you want the one doing the more damage go fury slayer over arms. If you enjoy arms more go arms. Your going against the mass player base many many players are doing maybe 50-60% of their sims damage. I have yet to be out dps in any M0 that ive ran as arms or fury. And I post them all the time. Unless your in a top high end guild play what you enjoy brother!

[obsidian otter]

yeah figured it was a dam alliance dwarf lol

even the name is short

[minor gust]

Yeah, I don't remember his name either. Pretty sure it was one of the bronze beards

[haughty tapir]

This is why I don’t like Thane as a hero talent

[haughty tapir]

Muradin

Muradin was the mountain thane inspo from WC3

[minor gust]

Those up to me. We'd have blademaster with mirror images

Give us old windwalker storm, Earth and fire where you can control them individually

[shadow ibex]

make ravager hero spec that copies your abilities

[haughty tapir]

But that’s why it bothers me. It’s a dwarf-specific thing. Blademaster makes more sense because there were other blademasters than just the Orcs

A blood elf mountain thane or a vulpera mountain thane makes zero sense to me. What do they have to do with mountains, as warriors?

[cobalt lodge]

ok switched from arms warrior to hellcaller destro and wow, destro is fucking pumping

[haughty tapir]

Anyways. I’ll get off my soap box lol

[haughty tapir]

Try Demo.

[obsidian otter]

destro is insane for sure i seen it in beta at max in keys..

[haughty tapir]

Warlock is my other class. Demo is busted rn

Doing silly numbers

[minor gust]

Slayer should have been blade master. I mean his ultimate was bladestorm

[obsidian otter]

their gonna nerf the pet damage in beta 300k demo log 200k of it was from pet lol

[haughty tapir]

Yeah

Demo is getting the nerf bat on the 17th for sure

[minor gust]

Damn bro you abandoned us already?

[obsidian otter]

dark side got him

[slow saddle]

ill level my dk this week

[proper moth]

Done all the quests, m0 tour, capped all weeklies, prey, WQ, main and secondary profs maxed, pathfinder done. Bad xpac no content😏

[obsidian otter]

are you all renoun 8-9 level?

[minor gust]

Forever and always gonna be the worst time to play

m+ and raid waiting room

[dire hinge]

time to make a second arms warrior

[obsidian otter]

each renown gives champion piece

[proper moth]

10 baseline 11 with sm

[proper moth]

true🤔

[proper moth]

yee 237 no wep feels bad

[obsidian otter]

amani gives champ neck at rank 9 silvermoon is rank 9 helm Hara'ti is rank 8 Waist and trinket at rank 7 from singularity

[proper moth]

gottem all lol

[obsidian otter]

guess professions all you have left or another character or wait for reset next week lol you good to go it seems

i did arms and fury to 90 and got them to 230+ ilv now im just have my rep to finish this week but i hate questing so its going slow lol

[proper moth]

i feel that maybe i go farm xmog lol

Mythic raiding was bad for me i blitz through everything

I'm just a filthy AOTC raider these days😩

[worldly rivet]

I need to get my warrior to 90. The vilefeather eagle looks awesome and I read to get it before they nerf the quest NPC you can tag along who hits like a truck.

[proper moth]

hmm

[worldly rivet]

I wanted to do it now while leveling but the quest is only available at 90.

[proper moth]

damn may i go degen it rq

[worldly rivet]

Yeah it's the Send Dem Home quest which you never turn in while farming.

[untold pewter]

My wife (holy paladin) nearly outdpsed me until I got cds on ST

[minor gust]

Hpal ST is pretty juiced

[untold pewter]

She said "I'm the alpha now"

[minor gust]

[untold pewter]

She did beat our guild's BDK and he was like "I should delete this character"

Lmfao

[fast wedge]

as light smith or both

[minor gust]

not sure

but my hpal guildie was having a lot of fun with it during our m0s

[worldly rivet]

Is the 4th point in arms apex talents overkill when talented into anger management?

[dense sphinx]

yes we dont take it

it causes desync

[worldly rivet]

thanks

[manic egret]

any point opening haranir? do u get any rep from that?

[snow flame]

By opening do you mean unlocking the race?

[devout pewter]

Just tried arms in a delve. Was quite fun until the final boss... which was solo... pain.

[eternal edge]

which level?

[dire hinge]

yeah, i've been doing prot in the max delves tbh. You can certainly do them as arms, or you can smoothbrain it and never take damage

[devout pewter]

6 i think, leveling them currently. Was quite easy as fury so I thought I try Arms

[dire hinge]

we do about the same dps anyways so

[devout pewter]

So arms in max level delves for challenge mode prot?

[dire hinge]

that was so many nouns in a row, can you help me understand what you mean there?

[devout pewter]

no

me zug zug

[dire hinge]

max delv not hard, but max delv as arms harder than being prot

for same zug

[devout pewter]

arms = prot challgene mode

[dire hinge]

ohhh i gocha, yeah basically

[devout pewter]

😄

Man I can't wait for the 17th

[dire hinge]

so true, we're doing too much damage and we should be knocked down further on the 17th

[devout pewter]

absolutely. I'm so sick of people fighting over me to get with their group because arms is so strong

[minor gust]

well get cut to the bone nerfed to 5% on the 17th

[dense sphinx]

arms still doing too much damage and misleading players into thinking it is a dps spec

nerf plz

[eternal edge]

is arms a spec? 😂

[dense sphinx]

its a spectacle perhaps

[devout pewter]

certainly

[eternal edge]

or a speculoos

(a thin biscuit)

[thick hamlet]

is there a good way of tracking heroic strike that doesn't involve having slam on my bar?

on cooldown manager to be specific

[nova marsh]

No

I mean

You could grab the spell id from wowhead and try to use that in arc ui

This assumes youre using arc thou tbh

[thick hamlet]

i'm not, that's unfortunate

but appreciate the response

[torpid acorn]

this'

?

[nova marsh]

Ive heard that one breaks a lot

[thick hamlet]

i've seen this, but not what i'm looking for i'm afraid

[nova marsh]

Ya he's just looking for an easy way to track it

And arc is more or less the only thing I can think of that'd do

[thick hamlet]

i initially thought that heroic strike's proc would have a trackable buff

[nova marsh]

I mean

We all did when MoW was made into a trackable buff

[thick hamlet]

how strange

it's like the very first thing to notice on level 81 right away

[nova marsh]

I mean blizzard has made many strange options with the cdm

Like no resource bars

Or making maelstrom weap for enhance trackable like a buff and giving evrey enhance player a stroke cuz no pretty bar

[obsidian otter]

issue with that one is if your playing MP its not good to use because you will waste stacks

[smoky kayak]

I mean you don't have to combine it with Mortal Strike, that's just an example

weirdly, I think the best thing to put it on would actually be Execute, but you could put it on your Battle Shout button if you wanted to and it'd work just the same

[obsidian otter]

if you have to use it use it on MS its really only button you dont wanna HS vs a SD proc as slayer anyways maybe wont matter as colossus. But if you get HS and SD proc and already cleaved your gonna HS in aoe pressing your Execute

same with OP putting it over that messes up aoe you would never HS in aoe over a OP single target it would be fine though since OP nerf

[smoky kayak]

Well, HS and Cleave both have priority over Execute

but again, you can set it up to whatever you want, it's really not that complicated

[obsidian otter]

HS doesnt have priority in aoe vs execute SD proc you never solo press HS in aoe cleave does it for you

[smoky kayak]

Cleave does though

[obsidian otter]

but you will get times where HS and SD are up same time and if cleave you jused used them you wouldnt want to press HS over that SD proc

[smoky kayak]

and hypothetically getting an HS and Execute proc in between Cleave's cooldown isn't a huge deal, since delaying Execute a GCD doesn't really cost you anything

yeah it's a one GCD delay, not exactly impactful

[obsidian otter]

idk i dont like delaying SD procs myself i spend them to lower BS CD sometimes i press SD proc and it procs 2 procs because the execute hit can retrigger it and the slayer strike can proc it

[smoky kayak]

it's only a problem if you get 3 procs in a row, which is statistically extremely unlikely to happen within the span of 2 GCDs

but again, you don't have to - nobody is telling you to use this macro, it's there for people who don't want an extra keybind or Slam on their bars, and they can macro it to whatever button they want... they can put it on charge for all it matters

[obsidian otter]

i must be busted prolly why im the only arms doing what i do i swear i get more back to back procs as arms then fury but fury does have CD on execute so that could be why

[obsidian otter]

that is true lol

put it on rend

[smoky kayak]

yeah that's not a bad idea either

put it on hamstring xD

[dense sphinx]

what about this novel idea

put it on slam

[smoky kayak]

kinda missin the point there friend

[obsidian otter]

yeah..

https://tenor.com/view/liam-mc-ewan-what-over-my-head-over-your-head-funny-gif-13114017

[dense sphinx]

was i not obvious enough

😄

[smoky kayak]

have you seen the kinda people who comment in here?

[obsidian otter]

you got me for sure

[vast helm]

save Arms

[obsidian otter]

https://tenor.com/view/braveheart-freedom-fight-shout-mel-gibson-gif-16663165

[main creek]

is it normal to overcap rage by A LOT ? I think i'm blind and lacking a spender : cleave mortal strike heroic strike and we almost never slam ?

only in execute phase i feel i'm spending correctly

[soft dew]

Is Archimtiros still here? I don't want to tag him, I found out that a link in the wowhead guide for Arms is linking to the Fury talent trees.

[thick kelp]

@smoky kayak ^

[soft dew]

I mean, it could've been voluntary, as we know the state of Arms atm 🤡

[obsidian otter]

you still will slam but more in single target if that is the only fill skill you have available. AOE you will never press HS or slame with 3 + targets cleave does it for you.

[main creek]

ok ty !

[obsidian lance]

Guys, what macros do you recommend to reduce the number of buttons the arms have? Its a lot of buttons

[obsidian otter]

what class did you play before arms?

[obsidian lance]

Dh havoc

[obsidian otter]

that tracks

[obsidian lance]

If i eliminate 2 buttons, is make better, without colossus n heroic strike

[soft dew]

You could do the macro Heroic Strike to another button and ignore Slam, but I guess we do need to use it sometimes

[obsidian lance]

For avatar or colossus smash, do u recommend n macro?

[soft dew]

You can certainly macro CS and Avatar together, I don't see anything bad by doing that

You generally want Avatar to be up when using CS (if both are available of course)

[obsidian lance]

Oh nice

[soft dew]

You have this page with some macros: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/addons-macro-ui-imports

Yeah there's one with all trinkets and racials put together with Avatar and CS

[obsidian lance]

Ok

Have some command on macro to transform one skill in demolish, when demolish is able?

Like a heroic strike macro

[obsidian otter]

IDK how you use less buttons as havoc i mean you got the same amount.. I always set my classes up pretty similar in buttons and they have the same amount.. less survival buttons utility ones but dps wise you actually have the same amount as arms..

[obsidian lance]

I like u layout

[obsidian otter]

thats my UI

[obsidian lance]

I would like the bliz make sweeping strikes passive on cleave, like whirlwind on fury

[smoky kayak]

I would recommend playing Fury

just in general

[obsidian otter]

thats during combat

[obsidian lance]

Imagine do cleave and get 4 stacks of sweeping strikes

[fresh spire]

[smoky kayak]

holy clutter batman

[obsidian otter]

hes not wrong specially if you like slayer im putting my self through the pain of doing both but fury is just out performing arms slayer

[obsidian lance]

I hate demolish, arms for me is BS

[obsidian otter]

#arms message where is the clutter?

[fresh spire]

I joked to him other day about just putting a link on the arms to fury page

Seems he already did it anyway

[obsidian lance]

If i make slayer arms on m+, can i get 2.5k io?

[obsidian otter]

even survival wise fury with unhenged is just miles ahead of arms

[obsidian lance]

I make m+ only for mog

[obsidian otter]

how fury unhenged heals them yet arms does not 🙁

and arms had Bladestorm long before fury lol

and they have the better bladestorm

[obsidian lance]

Make BS exclusive to arms, bliz

Most beautiful skill ever

What are the most baddest races to send a god bladestorm?

[halcyon valve]

Why am i seeing fury spells in my god given arms channel

[thick kelp]

im gonna play a panda fury now

[dense comet]

Tauren Bladestorm is a sight to behold.

[granite swift]

Hey what’s the addon that gives your char a glowing outline? Like that yellow/goldish glow

[oblique oar]

isnt that just in settings?

[granite swift]

Is this why i haven’t been able to find it 😭

[tepid cape]

Combat outline or combat glow something like that

[tepid cape]

Combat outline activate this option in combat and hide outside of combat

[granite swift]

legend thank you 👍

[thick cairn]

is arms still

[slow saddle]

F tier for 6month

S

[quaint otter]

Arms rework march 17th

[obsidian otter]

Yup was just ingame setting

[slow saddle]

2035

[vast helm]

Arms rework 2077

[shadow ibex]

colossus rework dream

[last saddle]

3/17 incident

[obsidian otter]

3 tabs of aucthion sales do we even look at the rest lol

love new xpacs

[quaint otter]

34

[eternal edge]

Nice dream

[vale gorge]

what do you sell

[obsidian otter]

petrified roots selling for alot atm prolly will drop in week or two though

[dim basalt]

Theyre worth like nothing anymore

[obsidian otter]

there selling 3k-4k right now

[dim basalt]

I sold lots of them when they were 100k each

lmao

[obsidian otter]

i wish i banked on that high

was to busy leveling my two 90s lol

bazaar bites to selling pretty decent a Unit almost 1k and there not hard to get

sold like 100 units of those so far

[fresh spire]

Already did drop since launch. Pre launch on eu they was 7k each. Down to 1.5k now 🙁

[obsidian otter]

their still 3.5k on NA

if only warbank shared between NA and EU servers lol

[obsidian otter]

they still decent priced

[dim basalt]

So you were also very late with selling them

They were legit 100k each for 3 days

[obsidian otter]

EU dont play on your guys markets

[obsidian otter]

yeah there still few on there for that price crazy to see how it dropped

from 100k

[dim basalt]

On EU they dropped from 100k to 40k in just 2 hours when prices started dropping

Thats when people noticed for much how they go I guess

Or some mad profession dudes tanked the prices on purpose

[bleak arrow]

Our GM was on when some dude bought out all the cloth or something and made like 700k. Early markets are wild.

[dim basalt]

Early expac is by far the best time to make a fortune of gold

[fresh spire]

I slow rode my leveling. Did every single quest before doing any heroics lol

Bit late to party

[dim basalt]

ah rip

[fresh spire]

Worked out fine was nice few days just watching YouTube and cranking wow

[bleak arrow]

Yeah same. Oh well. I can by from the Chinese some wow tokens if I need gold.

[fresh spire]

I wouldnt risk rmt. Had my account too long.

[bleak arrow]

Of for sure. Fun joke. I would be emotionally ruined to lose my account.

[shadow ibex]

years gone

[jagged comet]

Does Ravager damage change per tick depending on buffs/debuffs? or is it a snapshot of when you cast it?

[shadow ibex]

its duration is fixed once u cast but it is hastened like BS

dmg is always dynamic

across the board for everyone

[jagged comet]

So if I activate Avatar after I cast ravager, the damage will be buffed, ya?

[fresh spire]

[shadow ibex]

they specifiy if something is snapshotted

[jagged comet]

Got it, ty boss

[shadow ibex]

do feral even snapshot anymore

[obsidian otter]

I think only tigers fury and talons still snap shot they removed everything else

[slow saddle]

Mby next 30th feb

[obsidian otter]

Think they removed dots snapshotting from agility secondary and trinket procs

[slow saddle]

Snapshottin was fun

But degen playstyle🤣

[shadow ibex]

fuck no

[obsidian otter]

With the prune they actually lost talons so only tigers fury now

[quaint otter]

[obsidian otter]

Until you got snap shotted and they run and you just die of bleeds 😂

[slow saddle]

🤣

Hows gearin goin jet?

[obsidian otter]

I’m still sad fury warrior bladestorm heals them where arms ours don’t 😢 we don’t even have die by the sword heal anymore

[slow saddle]

I mean arms is dead

Rly the simple atm

[obsidian otter]

234 on fury and 233 on arms didn’t get arms a weapon from zeros but fury got one 😢

[slow saddle]

Cant arms use the furybweap?

[obsidian otter]

Prolly push fury slayer in keys honestly

[dim basalt]

Why not use the Fury weapon?

[obsidian otter]

I can’t trade it

[slow saddle]

2 chars???

[dim basalt]

Oh different chars?

[obsidian otter]

Yeah lol

[slow saddle]

Nice

[obsidian otter]

Orc fury and human arms

[slow saddle]

Real dedication

[obsidian otter]

I like to actually feel the progression and struggle with each

[slow saddle]

Now i feel bad... i gotta lvl my alt..

Dk

I think uh dk will be top melee spec

#fear

[obsidian otter]

For sure I was doing arenas last night two UH DK… yeah nothing is saving you no defence a no stance master die by the sword two army’s and dots

You just die through it lol

Can’t stun them

Can’t do anything to them

[slow saddle]

Like in tww. They nerfed so slowly

I guess who ever comes out well on first tuning patch

[obsidian otter]

You can’t peel them off healer 2v2 atm they are very busted if you face them

[slow saddle]

Will stay top

[obsidian otter]

I have 26 days left of my leave so im gaming lol

as much as i can while off

[dim basalt]

fair

[obsidian otter]

honestly the time sink is leveling to 90 once your there its 8 dungeons for zeros for the week and your done with dungeons. Then nothing left to do other then rep unless you already got all rep rank 8 and 9 champ items

and its shared across warbound now

so your alts are instantly geared at 90

[bleak arrow]

Hunts baby

[obsidian otter]

I like the prey system for sure

[dim basalt]

Prey is alright

Will be irrelevant for us in a few weeks

But its nice to get alts going

[obsidian otter]

it makes me do world quests more lol

there a nightmare mode but havnt unlocked it curious ilv that will give

[eternal edge]

Veteran stuff for hard mode preys

[obsidian otter]

so should be champ for nightmare

[eternal edge]

Wait there is 3 levels?

[obsidian otter]

yeah normal hard and nightmare

[eternal edge]

I miss that point

Yeah should be champion

[obsidian otter]

ive had some rough ganks when i pop everything on a big pull and they come out lol the traps trivialize it though instant makes them run kinda takes away from it honestly

[eternal edge]

the big deal isn't survivability but damage efficiency against what you pulled in arms spec

especially with prey on you

[obsidian otter]

yeah the lack of self heal hurts even with CDs

compared to fury where you can be at 10% life pop ernage regen press blade storm and your full life instantly

while still doing big damagel ol

my biggest issue from playing arms has always been cleave and for them to double down on cleave hurt my soul a little not gonna lie..

when you compare it to other classes even fury aoe you can have enemies behind you side of you and just dps and your cleave will hit them. There are many cases where mobs dont move and are to spread out for cleave to even affectively hit them all 🙁

premade groups are best for arms with LOS pulls or a tank that can group them together with ability

pugs fury is just superior in the aspect that you dont need to worry about positioning outside of melee positioning to cleave targets

[obsidian otter]

did he afk.. hmm..

rip

[sacred zodiac]

so cool

[dim crane]

You can intentionally step on the prey traps for more anguish

[obsidian otter]

yeah thats what i do anguish is whats used for preys after your 4 free ones

doing pray pvp is crazy work I just got a lv 90 got ganked while pulling like 8 mobs prey ganked him and i ganked him dead.. idk if that messes his prey quest up or not

I thought he was pvping someone

where the horde...

I would charged in on my warrior death or not lol

[rose ibex]

Alliance seem way more popular with pvp in general

[obsidian otter]

in world pvp for sure

Thats why I pvp on my human warrior only in open world lol

[simple lintel]

Is the recommendation to still use Reshi Wraps at 90 or have they turned them off yet?

[obsidian otter]

yeah still use them

if their 170 for sure

[simple lintel]

will do, thanks

[olive nest]

Is sub still the wicked burst spec that it’s always been?

[obsidian otter]

more then it was before and with less buttons lol

its no surprise that the PVP spec for arms plays 100% better no rage issues 50% tac resets on slam and heroic strike 40% on everything else you run TE so 2 free guarantee tack resets after every CS and with battle lord your just MS /HS/OP SD procs like it feels like you have no rage issues at all the times just dumping on people

its dumb they put Ignore pain on the gcd now.. idk who decided to do that for arms prot doesnt have it

[minor gust]

Sub still bursts alright

Did M0s with my buddy who's a sub main and he's basically soloing the pull while I'm stuck in 20 year long bladestorm

[obsidian otter]

lol yeah sub aoe 2 buttons does so much damage

[abstract cairn]

Should there be a big delay after using the Colossus smash or am I just stupid

[obsidian otter]

delay of what?

[abstract cairn]

Can't press anything, like i'm in a BS or something

[slow saddle]

Bug

[obsidian otter]

yeah thats a bug for sure

[slow saddle]

Are u playing folllower dungeo

?

[obsidian otter]

unless you have like 5% haste

[slow saddle]

I had sev mega lags

[obsidian otter]

and it feels sluggish lol

[abstract cairn]

Nope did WQs

Ah could probably server lag then

[slow saddle]

Anythin sub 30

Feels horrid ngl

[obsidian otter]

yeah i finally hit 21% base on arms feels like a new class 🙁

classes shouldnt be dependant to feel good playing based off haste haste should just make it play better

[abstract cairn]

I only have 12% haste so that could be it too lol

[obsidian otter]

after bladestorm ends it should feel good for 8 seconds from that haste buff lol should be at 27%

[abstract cairn]

Nice

[olive nest]

@fresh spire

[obsidian otter]

dam and i just got 1 from box !

lets go

[blazing arrow]

I know arms is bad atm but is it ever good for m+ or is fury generally the m+ spec?

[rough pewter]

arms usually good in m+ BUT this is only my opinion and i didnt play arms for TWW

[obsidian otter]

if your talking slayer arms vs slayer fury slayer arms does more aoe damage on bigger pulls 8+ but does just a little less vs smaller pulls. single target its about a 10k difference right now so like on my fury warrior that is 90 i can do 50k single target where my arms warrior is doing 40k single target in same gear im only missing veteran weapon on arms but its not 10k difference in damage

I dont play colossus so not sure on them but heard they are bad atm across the board aoe with cds still pumps

[blazing arrow]

Is that competitive? How much are other classes doing?

[minor gust]

Both have their time in the sun

Sometimes fury worse than arms sometimes arms worse than fury

[blazing arrow]

Roger. Ty.

[obsidian otter]

are you talking sims or what players are actually doing in mythic 0s right now ?

[blazing arrow]

Just what youre seeing

[obsidian otter]

because sims its behind for sure were down agasint the mass population you can easily top damage in runs like these are mythic 0 runs on my arms

[shut token]

Is there any talent to apply rend into my rotation so i don´t have to apply in manually all the time? Or any useful macro? Im running low on keybinds...

[blazing arrow]

Cool thank you.

[minor gust]

Jet you are NA right? Tonight when I'm off work we gotta do some double arms M0 I'll rock Colo.

Pretty sure you can still do M0s if your saved just no loot

[obsidian otter]

im locked out for week but ill run

[minor gust]

I am too just wanna do not world content

Need to get a 5 warrior run going

[latent moss]

5 fury

dont need a tank or a healer when everyone is fury

[obsidian otter]

arms still pumping in pvp prolly feels the best in the build im running. and my pvp gear I got weapon two trinkets and 2 other items 6% verse lol so not geared at all yet in pvp but it feels really good the tactician build

50% tac reset on slams and HS is actually nice

they jumped me hard at end my 1 death lol

[bleak arrow]

Nerf arms

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/sexy-gif-13566874422611527206

[obsidian otter]

fury slayer though might be the play for pvp this season the self healing is actually insanely strong

Build im using curently if anyone pvps its solid build you are never rage starved ever

[minor gust]

Reminds me I gotta do my 10 arena games on tbc

[kindred breach]

Are you using Bloodsurge in PVE too?

[minor gust]

Yes he does

[obsidian otter]

Yeah you need it

Your gonna wanna always keep rend up in pve and pvp but specially in pvp as it’s really our strongest heal because of fuel by vengeance talent

So adding rage gain is good like if your charging in aoe rend multiple targets but your focusing down one you got a lot of healing and rage procs going

[obsidian otter]

It’s like 2pm my time just let me know when I’ll be down to double brother in arms it up!

[kindred breach]

never played it in pvp, thank you for the tips

[minor gust]

I won't be off work for another 3 hours we can game tonight I'll ping you

[obsidian otter]

For sure sucks I won’t be able to pass anything to you hopefully you get some good drops!

[minor gust]

Nah I'm already saved man

Just bored

Just wanna do some slayer vs Colo M0s

[obsidian otter]

Ahh gotcha

I have yet to see a colossus arms anywhere 😂

Even the ones I saw leveling pvping or dungeons was either slayer or prot

[minor gust]

I haven't even touched that mess for like 2 months lmao

Colo just so borked rn

Doesn't feel good like slayer does

[obsidian otter]

The procs carry slayer

Without them … man…

[minor gust]

I need another haste ring bad. Only at like 12%. Been using haste flask as a median

[obsidian otter]

Same I’m at like 21% with haste flash

The cheap ones like 50g each

[minor gust]

Just made a bunch to lvl alch

Need alch for flask duration increase

Shits always bis

[obsidian otter]

I need to I just been Herb and mining and blacksmith weapon master went down axe tree to realize I couldn’t even get the recipe it’s from raid so now gotta get more research to go down the two handed sword tree

Should be a respect on that tree

Still have same amount of points

[minor gust]

Yeah I only ever bother with alch for duration. And 2nd profession is flex if there's a profession thing in M+

[olive nest]

Please buff my beloved arms

[minor gust]

Gotta wait till next week till they drop notes

[obsidian otter]

I always craft my own weapon blacksmith only profession I ever have done so will be first time doing alchemy

[minor gust]

Nice luckily if your just lvling alch for the flask duration buff it doesn't take much. Only like 15 knowledge in the first flask spec spot and your good

[heavy heron]

march 17 cannot come fast enough

[shrewd adder]

just bough the new xpac, and i was wondering after few hours of gameplay : wth did they do to arms

[proud remnant]

its sucked for like 3 xpacs

but we in there regardless

[shrewd adder]

tbh i kinda liked the df arms, wasnt big banger but it was cool

but tww > midnight

[proud remnant]

shadowlands was dope for me

[shrewd adder]

arms

yeaaah with legos

[flint cedar]

crucible of erratic energies not simming?

[olive nest]

Don’t bother simming

Equip ilvl and crit/haste when possible

[obtuse sluice]

Jet this was your arms PvP build?

[obsidian otter]

Yes has slight tweaks depending if I’m doing arena smaller BG are pretty much that bigger bgs I run more aoe cleave build. Like the 40v40 stuff

[vagrant hull]

I've played this game since Vanilla and I don't think I've ever really learned how to pvp correctly on arms warrior

[sullen ingot]

press ms, get kited

[vagrant hull]

for real

[summer niche]

press 1+2+3 either enemy dead or get kited

[vagrant hull]

well if that's playing a warrior correctly then I take back what I said, I've been doing great since Vanilla

[obsidian otter]

for arena arms your job is to pressure the pressure target sweeping strikes cleave ( not cleave the ability you dont use that in arena) which its stronger then ever now that its 100% cleave between 2 targets. peel for temate with either aoe fear or howl depending what your facing. caster you want fear melee comp you want howl. there is little more to it then that but pretty much thats it. You save your avatar colossus trinket burst for Gos (Go=AKA kill target) BGs 8-10 man pretty much same thing. 40v40 bgs your just there to pump and dump aoe everything! this mode you run pretty much mythic plus talents

[obsidian wave]

is Arms actually cooked? I'm really enjoying it so far 🙁

[vagrant hull]

Survivability honestly seems to be my biggest overall issue. We feel squishy

[sullen ingot]

wait til the 17th but, probably

[vagrant hull]

I think it's way too early to tell

[obsidian wave]

what is significant about the 17th?

[vagrant hull]

Don't worry, if we get nerf'd or no buff on the 17th, then we can just threaten to close down our discord

I'm sure that will get us a nice buff

[obsidian wave]

or get our class entirely removed

either way, win win

[obsidian otter]

yeah our only survival is leech, 85% of damage healed by rend and deep wounds. 30% heal from impending victory defence stance/stance mastery Rally cry and die by the sword spell reflect

[slow saddle]

actually Havoc is a lot better

[obsidian otter]

havoc issue is they have good decent burst outside of it their sustaine is so low thats why they fall low with us

they go crazy in meta form though

[obtuse sluice]

could I see your arena build too? Ty

[obsidian otter]

arena build is same only talents you would change is drop field dressing for intervene for 2v2 and interpose for 3v3

[gaunt owl]

i'm so glad Arms is shit tier lvl more reason to not reinstall the game

[shadow ibex]

could be worse

could be looking at 2 expacs of playing the same shit in raid

[obsidian otter]

I do run bigger aoe thunderclap in 40v40 bgs

so you can peel 40% slow and bigger aoe range of rend /slows

[radiant cape]

Anyone having problems logging in? I'm stuck at retrieving realm list and then when I get passed that it says ive got 0 characters

[obsidian wave]

You are finally free my child

Go and live your life. Write stories of your travels

[radiant cape]

I'm not ready to be free, I need to doom and play arms warrior

[obtuse sluice]

It’s just such a buzzkill considering how arms was doing last expansion

[nova marsh]

Na blizz will just nerf us again

[worldly rivet]

It is pretty absurd how Arms feels when compared to other classes. Totemic Enhancement Shaman can 100-0 mobs by putting down totem, sunder, sunder. And Arms has to pretty 5x as many abilities.

[candid pecan]

well.. lets look at the positives

• juggernaut has been removed
• SD has a 100% chance to proc reap
• the new apex is kinda nice
• we have pretty good 3 target cleave thanks to FOB consuming Heroic Strike

and now the negatives

• dmg undertuned on ST

[daring heron]

ST becomes higher when cleaving too

[obsidian wave]

What if “not played” means our powerlevel is just so high it’s off the charts

[tender ermine]

Why is that out of curiosity?

[daring heron]

cleave + fob

[nova marsh]

And we still use op in aoe too

Ms frequently too if colo

[shadow ibex]

Arms tree should just only be aoe talents

[nova marsh]

I'll do you one better

Remove ms

No st

We either do aoe or we're tanks

[gaunt owl]

Double or Nothing

[bitter heron]

Is arms only good for pvp? Considering doing a change from fury. I only raid tho

[hybrid needle]

Youll do more dmg as prot

[minor gust]

Everything got nerfed during beta but cleave over buffed so if you play Colo it is optimal to cleave on ST during ravager and execute when talented into mass execution

[nova marsh]

Fury has been a better pvp spec for a while

Arms is literally good at nothing rn

[bitter heron]

Ohhh ok wanted to try something different. Maybe I’ll man up and try prot

[nova marsh]

The tuning on arms is so ass id recommend playing anything else till the 17th

Just for your own sanity

[hybrid needle]

Please dont aczually play prot in pvp

[bitter heron]

I don’t pvp only raid and dungeons

[obsidian otter]

40v40 bg makes no sense.. im bladstorming and i get griped by dks 3 of them like they was passing me around lol

idk how that is even possible

does grip not count as movement imparing or loss of control effects?

[dim jay]

doesn't slow you and doesn't stop you from moving, just moves you from there to over here

[fossil thistle]

What are the genuine chances of proccing two tertiary stats?

[olive nest]

Wo! Cool item