do what u want lol
#arms
tropic crest
boreal quartz
Ull replace all b4 splits are done anyways
dim basalt
That screams RWF raiders
obsidian otter
depends on the gain going from 224 to 230 that item can give you less dps when str is only going up 8 points
boreal quartz
Washed as FUCK
latent moss
he raided for pieces and bdg
tropic crest
this explain a lot lol
dim basalt
Top 50 with just 6 hours is still crazy though
boreal quartz
depends on the gain going from 224 to 230 that item can give you less dps when s...
Consider apply ilvl for larger Penis
boreal quartz
Top 50 with just 6 hours is still crazy though
It's just rwf alts
latent moss
Consider apply ilvl for larger Penis
on bro
native obsidian
What matters now is having the highest I level for group application
boreal quartz
Of ppl who are good and bored
native obsidian
dps irreverent
latent moss
What matters now is having the highest I level for group application
bag ilvl is shown
not equipped
dim basalt
It's just rwf alts
Of course but thats still pretty good
native obsidian
Exactly
tropic crest
This chat is so unsense
boreal quartz
Unsense
tropic crest
u get the champion helm and u can upgrade crest freee ur adventurer shit helm
dim basalt
Why the fuck would you do that though
obsidian otter
what does my ilv change?
obsidian otter
yall must only play with randoms lol
tropic crest
this guy is a joke
boreal quartz
what does my ilv change?
Dick size
obsidian otter
your prolly the warrior doing 50% less dps then you could be and complaining about warrior lol
topaz python
boreal quartz
Highest ilvl possible/in the guild is a valueable metric
dim basalt
Anyway, whats the chance of getting requests by guilds that arent bad (like sub 700) cuz I feel like only really desperate guilds actively look for players 
obsidian otter
Anyway, whats the chance of getting requests by guilds that arent bad (like sub ...
every guild recruits during xpacs doesnt mean you will get in but chances are higher
dim basalt
Are ur logs good
Like 97 as Arms and 92 on WW
tropic crest
your prolly the warrior doing 50% less dps then you could be and complaining abo...
Nah, I’m not engaging with this slander
boreal quartz
What does that even mean lmao
People who go for dps on prog kills rather than play for kill
boreal quartz
Arms being the resident padder spec
dim basalt
Should be standard no
latent moss
Anyway, whats the chance of getting requests by guilds that arent bad (like sub ...
kinda hard rn most have their rosters ready i think
boreal quartz
Arms being the resident padder spec
Weeks b4 the tier is hard but just shoot from the hip
tropic crest
joke guy
dim basalt
kinda hard rn most have their rosters ready i think
Im not looking for a guild rn but will be in like 1.5 months
maybe 2
boreal quartz
U can explain that
latent moss
ye then ure ez
dim basalt
I dont think my guild would love me to be late every Tuesday 
boreal quartz
Guild application process is such a horrid piece of wow btw
dim basalt
Im not a guild jumper, I wouldnt know
I joined this guild back in August 2023 and it was chill
But to be fair this guild was far away from a CE guild when I joined
obsidian otter
But to be fair this guild was far away from a CE guild when I joined
so your hour behind me what are you looking for in guild mythic plus raiding? pvp?
dim basalt
so your hour behind me what are you looking for in guild mythic plus raiding? pv...
Thought youre American
obsidian otter
Thought youre American
im NA yes but its 11:42 my time
shadow ibex
Guild application process is such a horrid piece of wow btw
Kill me
dim basalt
Well Im EU
obsidian otter
we have other non NA people in our guild
dim basalt
And only looking for a German guild because I cba speaking English frequently
obsidian otter
And only looking for a German guild because I cba speaking English frequently
I was stationed in Bavaria can i say.. German woman are aggressive lol
obsidian otter
yes very lol
dim basalt
At least when its not business
dim basalt
Schnitzel goated
obsidian otter
that with your guys fries there diff then NA fries so good
idk how you guys cook them over there but taste so good
Apfelstrudel though.. sucker for it Id get fat over there lol
vagrant hull
Alright, how we feasting in midnight? We are top #1 dps in all aspects RIGHT?
vagrant hull
🤣
I haven't played fury in so long, I hope arms stays competitive. Becuase I probably won't switch even if it isn't
vagrant hull
Feels pretty good for quests and a couple dungeons so far. My biggest pain point so far is just learning to not use WA and use the new built in thing.
flint cedar
I haven't played fury in so long, I hope arms stays competitive. Becuase I prob...
Stay loyal good Arms Warrior. The Sun will shine on us yet again. 🙂
obsidian otter
we in a zero lets go!
cobalt lodge
I do indeed! Would be interested in that build ❤️
weak wave
Can US play M0 already?
obsidian otter
Can US play M0 already?
yes i just did one
coarse hedge
Hey im new to arms and looked up some builds how come we dont put all 4 points into the apex?
weak wave
yes i just did one
Does it reset daily or weekly?
weak wave
Hey im new to arms and looked up some builds how come we dont put all 4 points i...
It desyncs CDs
cobalt lodge
yes i just did one
As Arms? How was it?
lunar hawk
Haven’t checked in on you goons in a while. We still maining arms or spec swapping?
river ridge
Ima play whats best for raid and then play Arms for farm. Just how it always is
obsidian otter
As Arms? How was it?
feels same as heroics you do less since you dont have the 15% damage bonus and 15% health from que heroics our tuning hasnt changed
big aoes damage lower single target damage
cobalt lodge
feels same as heroics you do less since you dont have the 15% damage bonus and 1...
Are you able to keep up overall on meters? If so I might main it after all and huff copium for a buff on the 17th
obsidian otter
my overall is still up there yeah like the post i posted fury was doing 60k overall vs arms doing 58k overall same dungeon your gonna do less than that everyone will since you dont get the heroic que bonus of 15% damage
pulls are also smaller due to harder content so you not padding as much
3 down no drops rip 🙁
lunar hawk
What’s the heroic que bonus 15% damage?
crystal nexus
is there an actual pre-season bis list, wowhead only has the overall bis for when the season starts, and icy veins has pre-season bis list which is mainly made up of dungeons that are available after the season starts
dim basalt
pre-season bis hardly matters
crystal nexus
yeah, but i just want something to work towards until the season releases tbh
tropic crest
If u want to minmax get the champion helm. If your adventurer helm sims better you’ll be able to upgrade it without crest. Also if u play fury and upgrade a weapon (to 237 IL) you can also upgrade other weapon without crest
last saddle
blizz should nerf arms more but give us improved bshout as apex talent
and it buffs magic instead of ap
last saddle
nerf arms wtf
wise mason
are colossus and slayer close in an aoe environment? i much prefer slayer in terms of gameplay
obsidian otter
also the next boss fight 🙁
sharp wyvern
what level are you?
sharp wyvern
oh right NA has m0s already
olive nest
Completely broken ST better nerf that
sharp wyvern
we have to do 75% of the average ST dmg so our 2target cleave is gonna be balanced
fast wedge
also the next boss fight 🙁
how?
sharp wyvern
BM hunter doing tank dmg means long execute phase 
obsidian otter
i dont even run 35% execute talent
slow saddle
Did u bother talent swappin?
slow saddle
i dont even run 35% execute talent
I mean improved exe is waste
We do not have the rage
obsidian otter
no its not you get back to back to back procs of reap its free aoe when you dont run imp ex you wait 5s CD for execute and you waste stacks
you also lose out on burst when you get back to back procs
slow saddle
U can?
obsidian otter
you can press SD and get another one instantly
slow saddle
I mean gotta be unlucly
But u can hold 2
But sure with improved, u can hold a charge
cobalt lodge
@obsidian otter oh sir, before I forget; could you link that Arms leveling build that you used?
obsidian otter
I pm it to you
cobalt lodge
Cool, thanks!
scarlet cedar
is arms a bit lackluster rn? I know it's launch but feels bit weak?
cobalt lodge
According to sims its the worst spec. Below tanks on pure single target. But Jet did show that he was still pumping a lot, so we’re basically a buff round away from being at least middle of the pack
scarlet cedar
According to sims its the worst spec. Below tanks on pure single target. But Jet...
is fury in a better place?
cobalt lodge
Fury looks like middle of the pack. Actually in terms of melee dps I’ve heard that WW monk sneakily is popping off
And ofc DK’s are always blasting
But the argument was made in here a few hours ago that a lot of people are FOTM rerollers who will not perform at 100% of that spec. So a Arms warrior who plays at, lets say, 95% performance will still do better than a FOTM reroller who plays Demo Lock at 65% performance
blazing estuary
@obsidian otter did you just get a ton of sd procs?
tough pond
Fury looks like middle of the pack. Actually in terms of melee dps I’ve heard th...
Where was this?
flint cedar
@obsidian otter Thanks for the posts broceefus. Was looking at a way to interweave Slayer Cleave into my build. I am now doing enough to be sated until blizzard unclasps these rediculous chains.
obsidian otter
<@527022044634808332> did you just get a ton of sd procs?
no more then usual
obsidian otter
<@527022044634808332> Thanks for the posts broceefus. Was looking at a way to in...
welcome
gotta work with what we have lol
blazing estuary
But the argument was made in here a few hours ago that a lot of people are FOTM ...
@obsidian otter you switch the slayer build up? Or same one you been using
cobalt lodge
What is the general prio on abilities for Arms? Cleave > OP > Slam/HS > Exe/MS?
minor gust
What is the general prio on abilities for Arms? Cleave > OP > Slam/HS > Exe/MS?
Wowhead is updated for all of this I recommend checking it out
obsidian otter
<@527022044634808332> you switch the slayer build up? Or same one you been using
same one yeah
last saddle
leg
thick kelp
no
tawdry olive
😢
minor gust
arm still alive ?
tawdry olive
LMAO XD
silk ice
same one yeah
what's the slayer build you're running looking like? if you dont mind sharing
minor gust
According to sims its the worst spec. Below tanks on pure single target. But Jet...
You have to keep in mind no real content is out yet, and no one has tier. As well good players are still gonna shit on your avg player no matter how trash your spec is. Not trying to dash your hopes but a week 1 m0 overall isn't giving you the real picture xD
cobalt lodge
You have to keep in mind no real content is out yet, and no one has tier. As wel...
Yeah fair. Still, I was very much set on maining Arms so im grasping any straw that I can. But I do agree that it sucks to see this spec so much in the gutter
candid pecan
arm still alive ?
yes, somewhat, but ST is
minor gust
Yeah fair. Still, I was very much set on maining Arms so im grasping any straw t...
Just focus on becoming an arms gigachad hit up wowhead practice the prio and shit on the noobs with a terrible spec! always a fun time.
obsidian otter
what's the slayer build you're running looking like? if you dont mind sharing
this build i use when doing dungeons/mythics
warrior side you can change points to cater to run some runs fear is better then howl for aoe interups or to kill dead in caverns so they dont rez etc but right side is what I always use
silk ice
this build i use when doing dungeons/mythics
thanks, will be testing out!
zealous flume
the macro that turns any ability into heroic strike is a dps loss right?
i actually have to have slam on my bars to track that buff in the default ui?
to see when it changes to heroic strike?
vagrant hull
Are we hitting heroic strike at every single proc?
zealous flume
Are we hitting heroic strike at every single proc?
pre execute you could concievably macro it into overpower, but prio changes in execute so eh
vagrant hull
hmm, I would imagine you are right then, it would be a dps loss, though my guess is it would be pretty small. I think you could make it smaller even by only using the macro on abilities that are lower priority.
Like, don't macro it on MS, but do on Overpower
zealous flume
yea
vagrant hull
I dunno, now that I think about it I think I'd rather just track it. I have always had slam on my bars anyways
it's just an annoying button to hit
zealous flume
its silly that heroic strike isnt tied to a buff you spend but is just a transformation of slam, an ability that 99.9% of the time isnt worth having in the center of your screen
yeah
its mostly like, inconvenient
vagrant hull
agreed, just makes Arms that much more "difficult" for lack of a better word, than fury
we have to keep using our brains this expac I see
soft sail
how can you make sweeping strikes macro to just always have it up?
obsidian otter
how can you make sweeping strikes macro to just always have it up?
sweeping is on the GCD so you cant macro it with anything
else on the gcd damage skills
soft sail
well thats annoying to always be hitting it
obsidian otter
its 30s cd your not always hitting it
soft sail
i guess i mean just a shit design
obsidian otter
having CS give us sweeping strikes is nice
soft sail
that part is nice for sure
obsidian otter
even if its a talent
they should just baked it into the new CS when they changed it from warbrekaer and gave us a new talent
soft sail
just feels clunky right now
unkempt light
cleave should just replace slam I really dont like switching to slam for single target, colossus has enough buttons
minor gust
Cleave already replaces WW theres other buttons that need to be pruned not your main filler that also doubles as HS
fossil thistle
"Login to your alts so you can get rested exp to level faster"
minus experience
vagrant hull
rekt
unkempt light
Cleave already replaces WW theres other buttons that need to be pruned not your ...
Im not saying replace it as it is now but the filler role. It already uses the hs on 3 targets it could just do it for single too and it could be tuned to not having cooldown to fit the filler role
minor gust
Slam is not going away nor should it. Buttons that should be going away is ravager and avatar. We dont need cleave to become a ST button even if it already half is
mortal niche
can slam atleast scale, too much rage, no dam smh
Ravager shouldve gone years ago..the fact Bladestorm (a historically arms ability) is giga dog is just sad
minor gust
still just a filler button, but its a lot more impactful in midnight than in the past 2 expansions. Now it works with MP on top of other slam talents and the Apex turning slam into a much stronger button.
minor gust
its procs pretty frequently
heady marlin
is arms keeping up with fury in all content?
livid cloak
Same color
minor gust
right now doesnt matter once actual content comes out all tbd with future tuning
heady marlin
feel rage starved for some reason on arms
livid cloak
heady marlin
IM TRYING GRANDPA
summer niche
When will the great pruning start for arms?
minor gust
next expansion
obsidian otter
not to bad got 5 drops out of 8 dungeons for the week and 1 weapon
minor gust
true
minor gust
I do my m0s tomorrow with da boys
obsidian otter
feels good i swaped out one for arms as i already did it on fury then went back to fury slayer both feel good and pumping stuff dies pretty fast though even boss fights are under 2 mins higher keys is where you will see the decline. Enjoy it right now though
minor gust
enjoy it now whiloe the content isnt real and no one has tier
slender sonnet
I persist in futility
obsidian otter
both fury and arms tiers is poop to .. arms is cleave base increase CS durtaion and fury is more Odins damage
minor gust
Furys is only sad because OF is sad
but they will never let OF do dmg again because of TWW S1 sins
obsidian otter
I persist in futility
I havnt upgraded anything yet
slender sonnet
holy moly
obsidian otter
my arms is 230 atm
slender sonnet
how are you that high
obsidian otter
i got 3 more on him to do
obsidian otter
how are you that high
slender sonnet
where are those epics from bro
obsidian otter
mythic 0s are out
obsidian otter
idk why thats a thing 🙁
minor gust
obsidian otter
they should just release them same time lol
obsidian otter
yeah i was 224 going in so your guchi
oblique oar
they should just release them same time lol
i like that you guys beta test every patch for us
minor gust
it will forever be weird they can do global expansion releases but refuses to change it to same day resets too
obsidian otter
i like that you guys beta test every patch for us
we need the experience EU always insane player base compared to NA
obsidian otter
idk why but i always get in alliance groups as the only horde
but they always do so much better then horde pugs
oblique oar
I havnt upgraded anything yet
youre missing the renown neck and belt?
obsidian otter
youre missing the renown neck and belt?
the champ ones?
oblique oar
yeah
obsidian otter
rank 9 ?
oblique oar
cant remember, something like that
obsidian otter
yeah this why
doing two characters cant rep grind to much lol
it just comes when it comes
ill get them this week though after zeros i have nothing to do
but professions
and WQ stuff
minor gust
last time I rep grinded was just the centaur one in DF purely because I really wanted the banners I love that shit
opal creek
last time I rep grinded was just the centaur one in DF purely because I really w...
Hell yeah brother
kindred breach
this spec will get to be the last in line to get reworked and they still won't do it
"apex talent first and last point will be VERY POWERFUL, there will be no way you will not get them"
minor gust
arms and fury both a bit outdated at this point
kindred breach
yeah the whole class is shit
but i guess we better rework marksmanship or fire mage for the 50th time this season
minor gust
Fury less so because just how solid the foundation is for it so its aging a lot slower than arms
kindred breach
well, no words, they stopped communicating so there's nothing to hope for
bleak arrow
doing two characters cant rep grind to much lol
Do side quests pick treasures ez
One character levels with side quests one story
obsidian otter
yeah i did main story only
slender sonnet
Not bad, tho
minor gust
enjoy it while you still can
cobalt lodge
Frozen, you are so negative bro haha
I doubt that Arms will just fall off the face of the earth in higher keys. Sure stuff scales, but Arms can also see a big buff incoming
minor gust
My postive vibes died after the third round of nerfs on an already not great spec
but I will take note and stop being a buzz kill
halcyon valve
Made it to lvl 82.5 today
Dmg already feels lower than it was at the start of leveling through tww but whatever, the zones are nice
Or, well, the zone, havent made it that far
cobalt lodge
tbf it felt like that on everything that i tried so far. even my super geared characters; the reshi cloak makes up a lot for it
tropic crest
EU Server, waiting for M0s. Magister Terrace HC. The pulls were not very large, otherwise we could push a lot more.
With fury i feel i can push dps way easyer. But arms is arms
cobalt lodge
im like 50/50 on improved sweeping or powerful momentum. i like the idea of permanent sweeping and idk if we have that without improved sweep? i also like the idea of powerful momentum
minor gust
you dont really need improved sweep for perma sweep uptimes
just having broadstrokes + powerful is much better and pretty much same uptime on SS
cobalt lodge
cool, cheers!
obtuse sluice
Arms ain’t outdated. Had an incredible time with arms in war within
Just wait for them to patch it
minor gust
The design is very much outdated. Doesnt mean its not because you enjoy it. I very much enjoy midnight slayer. doesnt mean this spec cant be so much better than what it is now
minor gust
not wrong so answer me this what is an arms warrior
obtuse sluice
answer me this what is a legs warrior
minor gust
for example fury warrior nails the rampaging berserker in theme and gameplay. In the past if you were to ask what is an Arms warrior people would say its slow, hard hitting, required some thought "tactical" was all about meaningful procs that felt good. Modern arms has pretty much lost all of that.
its gained some proc love with HS but its not the same like a legion tactician CS proc
obsidian lance
Only main arms play arms, because we know, the last meta for us was in pandaria 
I would like stay alive to make arms in S tier again
obtuse sluice
Modern arms definitely hasn’t lost the slow hard hitting elements with bleeds and healing reduc. In PVP it was S-tier last expansion and in PVE it was easily A-tier
obtuse sluice
mortal strike and execute had some godly crits
tough pond
I dunno, slayer fury is quite a bit higher apm, thane isnt bad
slender sonnet
I feel like with just a bit better rage gen arms would be infinitely better
Just feel like I'm running out of rage and getting stuck
obtuse sluice
And the specs feel different enough, people are just butthurt it’s not stier right now
But it’ll get patched and it’ll be up again per usual
slender sonnet
Playing as colossus it feels sick on aoe, but just like a dead fish on ST
minor gust
my complaints about design dont have anything to do with tuning performance
that shits just a dice roll every patch
minor gust
I dunno, slayer fury is quite a bit higher apm, thane isnt bad
arms slayer vs fury slayer apm gap got a lil wider this season but not by much
midnight kettle
That's the part that feels outdated to me
obtuse sluice
You said modern arms has lost all of its core elements and I don’t think that’s true, it’s subjective
cobalt lodge
Arms def feels like its a spec stuck in 2010
obtuse sluice
Everyone’s got a different complaint
cobalt lodge
prob suffers from the same issues monk had for a while, i assume that (arms) warrior has no class designer atm
minor gust
You said modern arms has lost all of its core elements and I don’t think that’s ...
I did agree its subjective of course your allowed to feel how you wanna feel
obtuse sluice
Some people say it’s changed too much, some people say it’s stuck in the past
Like
slender sonnet
I think just rework it's rage gen and it's a perfect spec
Not rely on having a shaman in the group
minor gust
Arms needs rage gen to not be tied to auto attacks imo
This! you cant have rage feel meaningful with modern arms design. Were constantly stuck in a pendulum of either too much rage or too little
slender sonnet
Like was running dungeons with friends today and having shaman Vs not was such an insane difference
minor gust
its something they have to rebalance everytime
obtuse sluice
They have to rebalance half the classes everytime
cobalt lodge
^
slender sonnet
Make deep wounds and op generate rage ig
minor gust
no they dont have to rebalance half the classes resources everytime they are touched
that just aint true xD
obsidian otter
With fury i feel i can push dps way easyer. But arms is arms
yeah fury its more you dont have to think about your aoe as everything cleaves around you sometimes you can position yourself where enemies are behind you and still get cleaved vs arms positioning matters way more to cleave them all
my only thing i hate between the two honestly
I been having tanks know some crazy los pull strats though and puts all the enemies pretty much right ontop of each other feels beefy
minor gust
Make deep wounds and op generate rage ig
they can easily bring us back to swimming in rage, but the real win is actually reworking how rage works and functions for arms so rage can feel meaningful and part of the spec
slender sonnet
Real actually
I just wanna be able to actually do my rotation in execute and not sit there for 4 seconds waiting to have enough rage to MS
shadow ibex
.1 rework
slender sonnet
But there's a good chance I'm doing it wrong
shadow ibex
the cope begins
obsidian otter
I just wanna be able to actually do my rotation in execute and not sit there for...
are you executing more then twice?
in a row?
do you execute OP execute OP/HS into MS?
slender sonnet
are you executing more then twice?
Yeah I try to exe exe op ms
minor gust
if you dont got SD procs and no sham weave in more ops
double natty executes gonna drain you quick
no CT gonna do that
obsidian otter
double natty executes gonna drain you quick
yup currently with our rage its hard to use it specially without running crit thinking
I will say this though.. and i dont mean to scare people doing all 8 of the zeros on my fury instantly got invited on my arms.. ive gotten 3 done been top dps in everyone but so many more people just dont pick me as arms even if ill out dps them lol
so the negative aspect seems real already on the pug groups
minor gust
yeah as I was talking about a few days ago community sentiment is already pretty much set
obsidian otter
and im ilv 230 so its not my ilv
minor gust
your gonna struggle if you only pug
obsidian otter
I never been declined on fury ques but arms i get declined atleast 2/3 times lol
they could just let me sit in the que.. they have to purposley decline me
minor gust
everyone already believes arms is a total meme the tuning on 17th is likely to not change that till awhile after because the community is always a bit behind
obsidian otter
everyone already believes arms is a total meme the tuning on 17th is likely to n...
yup even in groups ive been in and im doing almost 200k aoe they instantly say something like i thought arms was dead..
minor gust
its a problem that can just never be fixed sadly its just how pugging works
obsidian otter
yup
people start their own groups though fixes it
specially right now easy to pick people if you made the group
minor gust
that very much is a strat
Ferals and surv hunters have been doing that for a long time
obsidian otter
I just got in group that guy says hes streaming so be warned
they about to see arms live lol
im sure his chat is about to blow up on arms this run
minor gust
huge whats the stream I kinda wanna see the reaction lmao
minor gust
you found a wild egirl vtuber
obsidian otter
you got link?
minor gust
ill DM it to you
cobalt lodge
watching Jet rn, surprised to see it outdps survival on aoe and st actually. but also,wtf is that devourer DH dps
minor gust
Surv got some decent nerfs in the last build I believe
think was a bug fix or two as well that nerfed em
also who knows what that surv hunters skill lvl is
cobalt lodge
fair
im just full on huffing copium tbf
also do have to say; leveling it feels very meh outside of cape procs and cd's
nothing really has beefy hits and i went into midnight on a full heroic geared arms warrior
obsidian otter
Surv got some decent nerfs in the last build I believe
hunters more geared then me
flint cedar
Raidbots busted right now? simming upper 50s - changed out a ring - went to 31k - put the ring back on simmed to 30k.. lol
minor gust
hunters more geared then me
well if your a much better player than him the gear wont make a diff
cobalt sinew
where did it all go so wrong for arms
cobalt lodge
i still had a good time with it during season 3 tww
cobalt sinew
i had fun with arms in bfa and sl but in df and beyond its just been
cobalt lodge
i think it just got a weird 'rework' that wasn't a rework and numbers are just bad atm
minor gust
where did it all go so wrong for arms
After legion
cobalt lodge
after classic kekw
cobalt sinew
like i dunno i think i have 1 more button than i did in tww
i wish i could peer into the mind of the warrior dev and understand their design intentions
minor gust
tww to midnight wasnt really a rework. More like just some good QOL updates
we had the potential but then they brought back rava and ava for some reason
cobalt sinew
ss is stll a gcd right
cobalt sinew
i tried arms for 1 dungeon pull and i immediately swapped to fury and have yet to switch back to see how it is at 90
minor gust
ss is stll a gcd right
Still a half gcd yeah but you got broad strokes which gives you a full SS on CS cast
minor gust
as in the gcd is half as long as when you press SS vs pressing any other button on the gcd
obsidian otter
57k overall 228 ilv not bad
cobalt sinew
i see
so the question is now
a) why is it still a gcd at all
b) do we need it when other stuff gives it now
minor gust
indeed a great question
obsidian otter
biggest boss fight I hate that fight btw 🙁
obsidian otter
Surv got some decent nerfs in the last build I believe
I was gonna go Survival i played it in beta but i knew it was gonna get nerfed same time we got nerfed OP nerf they did and I played it again in beta wasnt what it was at
minor gust
I just hit some dummies with it seems like an enjoyable spec.
Still dev DH gonna be my alt cuz its new and I like it
obsidian otter
fury did more on that fight when i ran it pretty sure i had like 80k but due to how that fight works whirlwind is better cleave is hard to hit the adds in that fight
cobalt sinew
survival is great
only problem with it id say is gearing/weapons
sent likes 2h, pl likes dw but sv dw doesnt use the offhand in its attacks for some unstated reason and has gone unaddressed throughout beta
obsidian otter
sent likes 2h, pl likes dw but sv dw doesnt use the offhand in its attacks for s...
yeah we reported that so much but still went live the same
they should just let you guys transmog it to dual wield
cobalt sinew
honestly? i like having 2 different builds/playstyles
like its not to everyones taste i get that but it does feel like a very small crumb of RPG choice/decision making in how you want to play
obsidian otter
one thing i will say is in beta we got scaled to the ilv they wanted us to run for the key where live you wont be scaled down in mythic + keys so there was lower ones that felt bad as arms compared to doing +15s when we wasnt scaled. So you can outgear certain keys where your just pumping through it lol
cobalt sinew
i hear thats why arms got kneecapped in beta
obsidian otter
idk why we did i dont think anyone knows why we was never top tier
we was High C bottom B tier
obsidian otter
Only blizz would know
arms life..
minor gust
lmao
obsidian otter
then i got in all plate group instantly though and they have me using drums lol
im for it
hybrid needle
The fact that warrior still doesnt have a Bloodlust Shout is concerning
obsidian otter
last boss in blinding vale
i should done higher on this boss but started fight with no CDs bad timing 🙁
sand totem
Ur a fukkin animal
proper moth
You’re juicing man
tough pond
you wanna do worse so we can get some buffs round here?
proper moth
Bout time I pop my warrior up to 90
All weeklies and M0 tour done on the dh
obsidian otter
I just finished mine on Arms and fury slayer got weapon on fury slayer no weapon on arms sadly 🙁
who ever is most geared when season start is who i push
proper moth
Nice nice managed a respectable 236 ilvl. Im hoping Warrior isnt an anchor come 17th
obsidian otter
will be fine as long as they dont nerf anything and they buff something lol
MS buff for sure is most likely i just hope they dont nerf something for giving us that
proper moth
I can’t imagine nerfs on Warrior in anything. I don’t even see them
Demo locks Dks DH and druids everywhere
obsidian otter
MS and OP increase will boost our single and AOE so im hoping they increase those if anything
and rage something with it
minor gust
arms life..
xD
proper moth
😂
hybrid needle
Metaslaves these days, smh my head
proper moth
I hope having more crit/haste remedies the rage issues
obsidian otter
doesnt surprise me from bleedinghollow
proper moth
I wouldn’t hate arms being a build spend spec just can’t be like Dev DH it’s actually ass if you don’t have meta
minor gust
rip its toxic
nah I didnt take it as toxic since they were demo UH losing to an arms but it was a heroic with a noob tank pulling 1 pack at a time
minor gust
that tank made me die inside but we were all noobs once
obsidian otter
nah I didnt take it as toxic since they were demo UH losing to an arms but it wa...
small pulls hurts arms more then fury
proper moth
I remember being a noob back in 2010
I’m assuming slayer arms is the move not colo right?
minor gust
in these heroic/m0 enviroments yeah
obsidian otter
slayer arms feels good for sure single target is still meh but its higher then colossus
wicked warren
I wish slayer was also the choice for m+
Ravager always being misaligned with cds pisses me off so much
eternal edge
I hope they'll rework the last apex point
That's so counterintuitive and useless for a last point
Tbf, gameplay is currently too slow imho (cause low stats etc) but good (it's also counterintuitive to play mono in multitarget situations but why not).
And we definitely need a little buff to be competitive, we're so lame in single target...
We were not ok when whirlwind was used in single target but now we have to heroic strike in multi, anyway
nova marsh
I wouldn’t hate arms being a build spend spec just can’t be like Dev DH it’s act...
Then arms is just even more generic then it already is
proper moth
Then arms is just even more generic then it already is
i mean arms in itself is the most generic archetype in all of fantasy lol
quiet bramble
anythingbut blademaster fantasy 
last saddle
i want lou arms where mortal strike was critting for like 2 trillion damage 😔
proper moth
true
last saddle
and demolish did 20 trillion 😭
nova marsh
i mean arms in itself is the most generic archetype in all of fantasy lol
Generic archetypes and generic gameplay arent the same
And builder spender is literally the most generic thing ever
proper moth
Generic archetypes and generic gameplay arent the same
big man with big weapon make big damage ez
wicked warren
true, I'm a dwarf so only a medium man
obsidian otter
And builder spender is literally the most generic thing ever
except arms has no builders and we just keep spending lol
wicked warren
Don't you guys love having 0 rage without skyfury?
wicked warren
I'm afraid I'm too autistic
nova marsh
🤔
wicked warren
I enjoy current outlaw quite a lot, but I have a wormtongue telling me to stay arms till I die
fossil root
They'll give warrior bloodlust
cobalt sinew
summer quartz
arms be like https://vxtwitter.com/stocksnipa/status/2014400030220722446
Are we the hippo or the leopard in that scenario?
obtuse sluice
Were the poopoo
summer quartz
why does heroic strike feel so bad to press. It should auto crit or something...
proud remnant
It feels like this spec is still in beta. They should have worked this out months ago.
summer grotto
No thats why im frost
aware
slender sonnet
real
cyan oriole
how do i make it so my arms warrior does more dps than my fire mage friend bc im tired of him linking me dps meters after every dungeon and making fun of me
cobalt lodge
how do i make it so my arms warrior does more dps than my fire mage friend bc im...
Reroll to warlock. Ez fix
slender sonnet
m0s soonge
robust cypress
m0s soonge
where's that weapon from
slender sonnet
The mog or the actual weapon
The weapon I got from a world quest on uh.. Friday last week I think. The mog is from WoD challenge modes and has been unobtainable for 10 years. It's just an adventurer track wep
fresh spire
fresh spire
Spongebob the ultimate meme machine
slender sonnet
so you upgraded it? okay
Yeah I figured just send it
Adventurer crests don't mean shit
robust cypress
I was told to hold off until further notice
minor gust
def dont need to hold adventure even veteran, but you can hold onto the vet till your first raid day
minor gust
10% exe nerf
slender sonnet
I was told to hold off until further notice
I mean maybe if you're minmaxing but I don't give a shit
proper moth
300% hamstring buff slow/snare has been removed
rose ibex
how do i make it so my arms warrior does more dps than my fire mage friend bc im...
Break his fingers. Make sure you get them all so he can't beat you with the 1 button thing
sturdy plank
why we dont play the 4 apex talent?
daring heron
because it causes cooldown desync and you can pick a different talent
minor gust
because it causes cooldown desync and you can pick a different talent
Crit have you done the renown gear yet? tryna find what the stats are on the neck but cant find it anywhere.
tropic crest
I was told to hold off until further notice
You can spend your Adventurer crests bro. I’d use them on pieces that are already 4/6 Adventurer, so you spend as few crests as possible and unlock the first Veteran upgrade for free.
Since we’re already past reset, I’d farm all the gear you can first (M0, WQs, weeklies, etc.). You’ll probably get a bunch of higher ilvl pieces (vet/champ). After that, you can just dump your Adventurer crests into whatever Adventurer gear you still have left.
austere solar
why we dont play the 4 apex talent?
Question is why do we play arms ?
dense sphinx
Crit have you done the renown gear yet? tryna find what the stats are on the nec...
crit haste
there's 2 options, other one is mastery vers or something (cant remember)
i took the crit haste
tropic crest
isn't mastery broken?
dense sphinx
sturdy plank
Question is why do we play arms ?
i like to get hurt 😄
daring heron
Crit have you done the renown gear yet? tryna find what the stats are on the nec...
not yet
i'll be on in like 2-3 hours
gymge 
minor gust
all g Rei hit me up with the info
dim basalt
Oh you can get the neck now?
minor gust
can get the renown pieces yeah
dim basalt
Belt as well?
minor gust
im sure its all available now with the reset
ive only done enough renown to get the helm and trinket so far
minor gust
I got a nice neck for fury doing my m0s so ill grab a neck for arms with the amani rep
tropic crest
thank you for testing for us, lul x)
minor gust
maybe you gotta do a quest to unlock it
I had to do that for the champ track helm
couldnt get quest for it till I did a questline
dim basalt
Nah you can just take the quest and turn it in on the quartermaster, thats it
But I just didnt receive it in my inventory
Oh well
minor gust
Idk that just seems like a crazy bug
tropic crest
mail?
minor gust
I would google the belt and see if theres any posts about it of ppl not getting it
dim basalt
Ok so now it worked?
But apparently you should not do the event before accepting the quest
Otherwise you will be locked out
minor gust
fresh spire
Yeh its aids
sharp tendon
We craft weapon first with spore?
fresh spire
Season 1 start is heroic week where we don't get nothing crests
Mythic
Unless it actually starts 24th and I'm a fool
Wonder if we will get the quest from delve 11 again this time for the extra crests week 1
lime solar
24th is m+
lime solar
season 1 start is doing heroic raid, m0 and delves
fresh spire
Also. Arms gamers might just wanna hold spark till 1st mythic vault.
If no weapon craft mythic weapon + free crest/mythic week 2 crest armor
minor gust
Was gonna hold regardless till first vault
fresh spire
I'm praying Arms gets at least buffed enough it's competitive
I can deal with it being middle of pack as long as it means we aren't glued to fury the entire tier
minor gust
Got a neck and ring for fury on my M0s today
cobalt lodge
ive seen some arms warriors do very decent in dungeons like Jet
fresh spire
Haste mastery?
minor gust
The game is already telling me get ready for fury prog
fresh spire
Still decent starts for arms
cobalt lodge
we're basically a buff away from being middle of the pack
minor gust
Yeah
minor gust
Prob next Thurs or Friday they will release the notes for the 17th
fresh spire
Me when they nerf something and the colossus becomes the raid spec playing ravager cleave
Next Friday for sure
Interupting my poe time
Shameful
😠
minor gust
Back to the sim mines with you no poe
cobalt lodge
i fucking hope we dont have to play ravager
minor gust
cobalt lodge
i hate that shit
minor gust
League
minor gust
i fucking hope we dont have to play ravager
You don't even know the curse that is ravager and cleave right now my fresh lil arms champ
It's much worse
dim basalt
fresh spire
Do I want to cleave in ravager or watch the unskipable cutscene
minor gust
Play slayer in all content always then and you will be safe
Unless flashback S2 tWW moment
cobalt lodge
slayer is kinda pog rn
minor gust
Do I want to cleave in ravager or watch the unskipable cutscene
Single digit haste bladestorm right now is real
fresh spire
It's so fucking ass
cobalt lodge
slayer is kinda pog rn
(saying that whilst all the other specs do twice my st dam)
fresh spire
It feels like a dps loss in keys I stg
minor gust
Doing M0s with the boys and watching my sub rogue buddy delete everything while I'm stuck in bladestorm
Actual gg
fresh spire
minor gust
The diff of doing your M0s with real ppl and not random pugs
Who are prob doing single button rotation
cobalt lodge
sub rogue is OMEGA boring tho
100% guaranteed that shit gets super stale after 2 dungeons
minor gust
He's a sub main he's sticking around
pure jasper
anyone wanna share a talent string for m0
i know asking "what's good" for arms is gonna get me told to play fury but i'm way too fucking stubborn and stupid for that
cobalt lodge
Jet shared a good one, sec let me find it
pure jasper
thanks
cobalt lodge
pure jasper
thanks babe
cobalt lodge
im still utterly baffled btw that they made our capstone apex talent so dogshit that its literally a dps loss to take it
minor gust
<:keks:936231610850897992>
Blood dk was bursting the same as me pressing ava WB BS had to wait till after 20 year long bladestorm to do more dmg than him
Surely one day we will get fury bladestorm
cobalt lodge
i mean, all tanks outdps arms on pure ST. it's awful lol
minor gust
Not talking ST
minor gust
Lol did a heroic where I was shitting on a demo and UH and got the thought arms was bad msg
Was like bro it's a heroic
short oasis
its this one https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/147849490...
That's for m0?
cobalt lodge
yes
latent moss
colossus isnt real
cobalt lodge
colossus is so awkward to play
latent moss
its so shit
short oasis
Haven't really looked into talents much, just saw that wowhead is recommending colossus for m+
minor gust
Wether what's gonna be the goto for M+ will possibly change depending whats in this tuning patch on the 17th
latent moss
was cut to the bone nerfed in a row
minor gust
So don't bother trying to figure out what's best
latent moss
imagine if colo bleeds actually did something
minor gust
was cut to the bone nerfed in a row
If you count the nerfs to the tier in TWW what like 4-5 times
minor gust
Don't worry still room to go to 5%
It's ok we can just chill in our 100 year long bladestorm and wait patiently before we can start doing dmg and playing the game as slayer
latent moss
cobalt lodge
pretty funny to see my auto attack and my cape procs be my top damage on any single target fight
good design blizz
cobalt lodge
and with that also our last bit of single target dps kekw
fresh spire
Surely 100% buff
cobalt lodge
slayer is now nerfed by 15%, Arms was still doing damage
slender sonnet
I was playing colo and having fun on AoE atleast
Slayer was fun also
Just needs more rage
cobalt lodge
colo on single target is pure grief tho
slender sonnet
Oh yeah
It's so bad
I was doing like half the DPS of my friends on ST
But smashing aoe
umbral badger
so now after you all tried arms how do you feel about the changes ? forget the dps, the changes.
slender sonnet
So kinda kept up overall
cobalt lodge
so now after you all tried arms how do you feel about the changes ? forget the d...
its okay at best, 4.5
incredibly rage starved
and apex talents are just not well designed, capstone is so bad that you dont take it
slender sonnet
I think cleave needs like -1s on it's cooldown
umbral badger
the removal of mortal strike procs "the 20%" and the ravager procing mortal strike and the change to bleed being based on critting rather than all the time on the targets are such stupid moves imo persdonally
slender sonnet
Baseline
umbral badger
this is techincally a full rework "or downgrade maybe"
because demolish for example had a mechanism to reset faster with all the MS resets and from ravager , now demolish needs an eternity to reset for one example.
cobalt lodge
they basically need to rework Arms again and it is in need of at least a 15-20% aura buff
umbral badger
20% won't do anything
we are doing 35% of the dps of the top specs
and 35% less dmg than teh average specs
slender sonnet
Fix rage gen and a 20% buff and arms will be right there
umbral badger
and the reason for that is that they removed 4 to 5 rage regen sources as well as all the extra mortal strikes from all proc sources and removed the 100% bleed uptime
cobalt lodge
yeah its insane, a 20% aura buff will just get us middle of the pack
umbral badger
it won't , rage gen will just give you more slams which is not exactly a fix it's just a downgrade
plus based on simulationcraft, 20% buff wont' get you to the middle.
it will get you to the bottom of the pack at best
middle is being 85k to 90k at 288 ilevel maybe 80k , 20% will get us from 65k to 72kish
cobalt lodge
yeah its ridicilous that most of my st damage is just reshi cape procs, trinket procs and auto attacks
meanwhile on my dk i sneeze and half the zone died
umbral badger
well, what ppl don't get is
slender sonnet
More rage = more slams = more tactician procs = more MS resets surely
umbral badger
if we take colossus arms for example, colossus had one of hte highest crits in teh game already even with all the procs that we had previously
umbral badger
More rage = more slams = more tactician procs = more MS resets surely
that wont' make us proc more mortals than before anyway.
slow saddle
yeah its insane, a 20% aura buff will just get us middle of the pack
nono
20% we are still last
umbral badger
my problem is with those changes, i don't get how are they gonna make us do dps without making us hit even HARDER than before which would mean we need ot be critting like 3 to 4 times the maximum crits that other classes do
cobalt lodge
also, heroic strike should be a guaranteed crit lol
umbral badger
which is CLEARLY not what blizzard would want
slow saddle
i mean they want us slowed down coz classic andies
wanted RAGE to matter A LOT
which just doesnt work in retail
cobalt lodge
i just pooled 3 stacks of martial prowess and 2 stacks of executioner precision and my mortal strike (so buffed by 15% + 70%) hit for.. 6.5k
umbral badger
colossus was already pretty slow and slayer wasn't too fast
slender sonnet
Resource management classes don't work in retail
umbral badger
i mean you gotta considering "relative" to other classes
slender sonnet
umbral badger
so colossus relative to other classes was slow
slow saddle
again, i played high hest
also no, my dk was WAY slower
but anyways
problem is having a resource that Starts at 0
tropic crest
The could fix Colossus ST or Slayer AoE
slow saddle
where theres no gainer
cobalt lodge
i wonder if they are just going the same direction as they did with demo lock during wod where they are basically telling you, play any other spec but Arms because we have no clue what to do with it
umbral badger
that being said halfing "approx' our mortal strikes count is like reduing our demolish resets by a great margin so now you need mortal strike to hit MUCH HARDER THAN ever and dmeolish too, there is NO way blizzard would wnat a class to be one shotting everything literally
slow saddle
so realisticly prob make OP give rage
tropic crest
in eavery cases imo they should make Heroic Strike a thing we want to use in every scenarios
slow saddle
that being said halfing "approx' our mortal strikes count is like reduing our de...
pvp has its own modifiers
plush basin
is there any info on what changes will they make before s1?
slow saddle
in eavery cases imo they should make Heroic Strike a thing we want to use in eve...
so id say it needs to be free
umbral badger
yes but even in pve blizzard wouldn't want you to one shot everything lol
slender sonnet
is there any info on what changes will they make before s1?
No
slow saddle
but u never will one shot in pve, once u get into M+ // m0
umbral badger
one of the issues of Heroic strike actually is that it is not procing on AoE
and when we have 5 cleaves to hit in a row it means we will not be gtting hc strikes really
cobalt lodge
i doubt they will make Arms not dogshit on the 17th, if they do we will see probably the biggest buff this game has ever seen. we're talking 30-50% aura buff
tropic crest
the real problem is it desyncs cooldowns
umbral badger
i genuinly don't think ppl hated arms playstyle in tww just how undertuned is it, am i wrong about that ?
slender sonnet
I loved tww arms
umbral badger
i mean sure slayer execution stacksx were dogshit but that would have needed a small fix
slow saddle
M8
arms WAS great in MID beta
all they had to do
was add 10% more rage
and we were in a good spot
slender sonnet
Real
slow saddle
but they just totally threw all tuning out the window
which made us need to use SPENDERS more
umbral badger
i mean you say that but i don't think 90% of arms players want a spec that spams slam 90% of the time
dim basalt
i genuinly don't think ppl hated arms playstyle in tww just how undertuned is it...
Everything about Midnight Arms is better
Its just really undertuned
umbral badger
so i am completely against fixing it with "rage and aura buff'
slow saddle
i mean you say that but i don't think 90% of arms players want a spec that spams...
slam?
slender sonnet
It wouldn't spam slam 90% of the time tho with a rage and aura buff
umbral badger
we literally half 5 passives for slam if not more rightn ow
slow saddle
slam is still bad ?_?
umbral badger
so we are now
umbral badger
i mean "slam deals 10% dmg, slam cost 25% less... etc" if you have those, you are not gonna have them for Heroic stirke.
slender sonnet
Make Execute phase great again
slow saddle
? ehm
umbral badger
arms fantasy should be about mortal strike and overpower as it was in tww imo
slow saddle
i mean those also work for hs
also u get HS procs when u cleave
or well wait u dont
u can spend not get
umbral badger
just because they work for HS it does not make them fun because HS is a very low chance proc
slow saddle
also wrong its pretty high
umbral badger
and yes , i did say that one of my biggest issues is that you can't get HS with cleave
cobalt lodge
also why is the majority of my damage still reshi wraps procs lmao
slender sonnet
also why is the majority of my damage still reshi wraps procs lmao
Cause the games shit
slow saddle
as i said, mid beta
it was better
coz u didnt wanna spam cleave // talent wasnt there
umbral badger
did HS proc with cleave in mid beta ?
umbral badger
ah the 40000 cleaves were not there ?
slow saddle
no
cobalt lodge
crazy to see m0 groups already mass rejecting Arms warriors lol. rip to anyone trying to pug and get some gear
slow saddle
which imho is ebtter
umbral badger
also my bleed is dropping a lot which is another problem
slow saddle
crazy to see m0 groups already mass rejecting Arms warriors lol. rip to anyone t...
thats super sad
seeing i just did em at 190 fury
doing more than enough dps
did 2 btw not all
i will not lie
was piss easy ^ _ ^
umbral badger
aoe dmg is fine, but this is because the rotation have been shifted a lot form mortal strike and overpower towards cleave
umbral badger
which is the primarily reasaon of ST loss imo
slender sonnet
Can't wait
umbral badger
yup
slow saddle
and some more bladestorm
basicly it killed everything NOT cleave
so ofc cleave is to good like
umbral badger
but again, rotationally speaking i am not reseting demolish enough anymore
because we lost the mortals on ravager and the 20%
slow saddle
ye well collosus is fcked
umbral badger
for motla to reset it self
slow saddle
100% fucked
cobalt lodge
arms designer's wive must have cheated or something
slow saddle
and will not be playable
until season 3
when stats come back up
and here im not talking dmg, more as u said the cdr mess
dmg can be tuned, still wont be enjoyable when u are holding cds to send all cds all the time
summer quartz
its a spec that isn't popular, so blizz doesn't give a fuck.
umbral badger
the only way to make colossus make sense now is if you crit 3 times you did prevous season "tww" and that would literally almost one shot big grps in medium level m+
slow saddle
the only way to make colossus make sense now is if you crit 3 times you did prev...
so easiest solution
give Collosus mortal combo
like also Unhinged shouldda been for Collosus
stacked into rav
only
that way slayer could get the MAD bladestorm they wanted
and collosus could get their resets and big MS
umbral badger
its a spec that isn't popular, so blizz doesn't give a fuck.
yes that's the dilemma i am referring to, the mini rework arms just went through implies that blizzard thought colossus was not popular rotationaly, but for ppl who liked slow heavy hits colossus was fun but weak.
slow saddle
TBF current tuning u just send COL with CS when ever CS is up no matter stacks
umbral badger
i mean there is also the issue that ravager is not getting cdr reduction from anger management and is desyncing from rotation a lot
it was a big complaint by top players even. so i don't get why they kept this issue
cobalt lodge
it's also super funny that we are still charge weaving for rage in 2026. that is some 2008 design shit
slow saddle
i mean there is also the issue that ravager is not getting cdr reduction from an...
ofc
fresh spire
Ravager should have gone passive and auto cast with Cs. It should have never returned as a cd
umbral badger
it's almmost as if i am not paying money for my game even the small player base who play the spec give blizzard more money that their work's worth for a proper balance lol
slow saddle
Rav feels like a MINI cd into a burst window Pillar for dk but worse
having it at 1.5m is an insult to mankind
Collosus 100% SHOULD have Unhinged
10000000%
minor gust
yes that's the dilemma i am referring to, the mini rework arms just went through...
We pointed out every time changes were made how they would negatively effect Colo. Blizz didn't really give a shit or even put any thought about Colo. Midnight beta was all about improving slayer while Colo got shafted
umbral badger
i don't know, ravager feels like ass now imo because on ST it is not even a mini CD
it's literally doing almost nothing on ST
cobalt lodge
well i think that they just expect most people to reroll to whatever is fotm, ie unh dk or lock
and then tune arms towards 13.2
slow saddle
We pointed out every time changes were made how they would negatively effect Col...
AND then they nerfed everything good about slayer just to co.ck us
minor gust
umbral badger
We pointed out every time changes were made how they would negatively effect Col...
i mean i do my share of complaining and asking for fixes, i just don't think enough ppl are doing.
slow saddle
we would i arms
Forum posting m8
thats were its at
we tried sev times with some fucking good threads made by ppl from here
blizzard dont care
minor gust
Anything posted in this discord will not be looked at by devs
slow saddle
we need to post it in MAGE forum or something
minor gust
Gotta post in forums
slow saddle
MAGE FORUM !
umbral badger
anything to pressure is fine, like believe me i don't want to pressure them because i am lifeless about the game, but because i want my money's worth of the game lol
slow saddle
or ret forum
fresh spire
Nah ravager shouldn't have had unhinged. Ravager being a constant pick again when avatar bs should have been there instead with better choices below instead. Whole point was to cull buttons not reintroduce them
umbral badger
the secret sauce is to keep comparing wow to POE because that's the sensitive subject for blizzard
fresh spire
Ravager is just a shit cooldown. It's a glorified cleave buff it legit does 0 damage on its own
umbral badger
"why is ggg better at balancing nad making gmaes than the giga company of blizzard"
minor gust
It's too late to fix any of this so it's afk till S2 for good Colo gameplay. Best can hope for is the tuning on 17th really helps slayer and just play that shit in all content
cobalt lodge
its also funny, im playing with my girlfriend who plays frost mage and she has so much front loaded damage that by the time that i got my rend up and done 1 or 2 overpowers, she has killed 3 packs of mobs
fresh spire
"why is ggg better at balancing nad making gmaes than the giga company of blizza...
Easy to balance your game when only 3 skills are broken and most are unplayable or shit
umbral badger
Nah ravager shouldn't have had unhinged. Ravager being a constant pick again whe...
i mean i get what you are saying but i did love ravager hitting mortal strikes was a fun thing
umbral badger
Easy to balance your game when only 3 skills are broken and most are unplayable ...
does not matter, we just trying to rub salt in ggg wounds 😄
in blizzrd *
"do you not have phones?" blizzard got too cocky
also i can tell you this
i would love if they remove avatar i don't care
if they replace it with a cd that gives you instant 10 demolish stacks
slow saddle
Nah ravager shouldn't have had unhinged. Ravager being a constant pick again whe...
Delete avatar🤣👌
umbral badger
i literally think one of the biggest weakness for arms "slayer = executioner stacks and colossus demo stacks"
minor gust
Don't even need that just remove the stack mechanic all together
minor gust
And replace it with demo applies CS debuff