sadly they already sad that is not returning
#arms
astral yarrow
shadow ibex
one day
devout pewter
one day we will be good again
marsh estuary
thick hamlet
they will ((((("probably")))) buff it
untold trench
Stop 
all arms warriors I see do giga dam 
minor gust
Stop <:xandbag:592471290204520487> all arms warriors I see do giga dam <:Hydrate...
Stop losing to the meme spec kitty
obsidian otter
main story didnt get me to 90 🙁
obsidian otter
didnt even get me to 89 lol
and i did like 3 dungeons on the way
i did get both rings though for the ring set!
minor gust
Oof that means you won't get em in your M0s 😛
untold trench
Stop losing to the meme spec kitty
never
I will make sure that blizz get solid data on the arms vs fury situation
minor gust
Who's sandbagging now hmmmmm????
You don't have to worry arms will get another nerf on the 17th and another on mythic week because of fury
Fury blasted too hard in heroics once again so BS is eating another nerf which hits arms
shadow ibex
it should beat ppl in content where mobs have no health
p front loaded burst for what it has
untold trench
Fury blasted too hard in heroics once again so BS is eating another nerf which h...
I dont even use BS or reap atm
Why? I am bored
minor gust
Of only!
minor gust
Got to wait till next patch just like season 1 of the war within
Season 1 mortal strike was piss week and then it was gigabuff for undermine
quaint otter
17th, rise of Arms
Warrior
Arms
All damage decreased by 4%
proud remnant
bladestorm dmg increased by 50% and burst storm dmg on initial spin added
rough otter
didnt even get me to 89 lol
only with sidequest i got to 90
i think the campaing got me on 88
obsidian otter
yeah iwanted to see if main took me without them
thorn stream
Arms leveling was really…. Good 
proud remnant
i think its great
minor gust
anything can level in retail
minor gust
you wont even notice how bad arms is while leveling
thorn stream
you wont even notice how bad arms is while leveling
Yes that’s why I did it
proud remnant
is the data that bad for arms???
thorn stream
Nah leveling was smooth so arms is on a great spot 
The most fun thing:
not pick apex 4/4 with 90
minor gust
tuning wise its pretty fucking ass at max level just pray for significant buffs on the 17th but ima be honest likely not gonna happen
prob gonna get something under 10% aura and it will be enough to keep us ahead of tanks but well still be ass
fresh spire
Dunno. I got a feeling for once that arms actually will get buffed. If not enough on first week it will be on second.
proud remnant
i will email blizzard and make a formal request. Any other wishes?
fresh spire
It's had such bad reception over all content creators. Social media is laughing at blizzard for the bad tuning
minor gust
Dunno. I got a feeling for once that arms actually will get buffed. If not enoug...
since its season 1 well most likely see multiple buffs throughout the first month, but if its like s3 well just see the one and be forgotten
proud remnant
so we are so bad we will end up being good
shadow ibex
gotta get your spec to reddit for it to be buffed
minor gust
latent moss
is the data that bad for arms???
it is the worst spec in the gmae by far
fresh spire
since its season 1 well most likely see multiple buffs throughout the first mont...
They said 4 weeks of patches. 3 weeks of buffs 1 nerf back to f tier ofc
minor gust
so we are so bad we will end up being good
no that doesnt happen once the game goes live.
best case scenario were slightly below average
blizz will tune to keep things in line
latent moss
we will get band aid aura buffed until we are average / slightly below average
minor gust
not to make something go from bad to op that stuff happens only during ptr/beta
proud remnant
we will make average look sexy
latent moss
we make tanks look sexy
thorn stream
I made a guardian Druid look sexy in one dungeon
obsidian otter
if you wanna look broken as arms go in at level 80 in new dungeons
minor gust
How's leveling as arms
no trouble at all because its leveling shit is always tuned insanely low
rough otter
How's leveling as arms
its ok
no that bad but probably faster with fury
i just chilled and went through levelling
and nothing to complain about it
halcyon valve
How's leveling as arms
Idk im too busy gambling
dire hinge
that's the spirit
leveling is fine though, you can do it as any spec, everything dies quickly
obsidian otter
you can upgrade gear actually
its working
heroic gear adventure track and your getting the currency from delve level 4 and outdoor events
nova marsh
Yeah I'll get some basic ass gear once leveling is done
I went to do all the dungeon and delve side quests
obsidian otter
idk what ilv you had to reach but world quest are giving me 224 adventurer gear
blizzard gave a NPC a better ravager then us lol it knocks you back constantly and bleeds you
silk lake
So what changed with arms
fossil thistle
In AoE, are you guys just Cleave x3 after Warstomp, or using ST abilities to stack Collateral Damage stacks?
hard egret
Hello, I have a question. I just got back to playing wow after years, and trying out arms again. I already tried to do my own research.. but I'm kind of lost on what's up with the spec, I remember arms being all about mortal strike and hit big and hard, why is there so much bleed dmg now?
minor gust
In AoE, are you guys just Cleave x3 after Warstomp, or using ST abilities to sta...
ignore collateral if your playing crushing combo just press cleave 4 times
minor gust
Hello, I have a question. I just got back to playing wow after years, and trying...
wowhead guide is up to date and should have everything you need check it out and come back here if you got specific questions. Idk how long you have been gone but bleeds have been apart of our kit for awhile now even if they keep getting nerfed.
hard egret
Kind of feels weird being bleed spec, that's all XD. considering the spec fantasy of wielding a weapon.
minor gust
been a bleed spec since vanilla
hit something hard and make it bleed
bleeds arent really the main focus of the spec its more like icing on a cake. Your still all about things like MS OP CLEAVE EXE
but I get how you feel. Blizz could do so much better with this spec I cant disagree.
hushed pine
like making Rend worth pressing lol
minor gust
hushed pine
Funny concept, I know
it's almost like they did it...
checks date
16 years ago, wow
minor gust
yeah I still wish it did more for our gameplay than just a thing to maintain (dependent on tuning) and gen some rage with a meh talent.
It had its place for awhile with proccing OP
obsidian otter
man im getting so lucky with speed rolls on gear for no reason lol
16% base coasting
dense sphinx
rework blizzard tuning dept
hushed pine
nova marsh
it's almost like they did it...
When was rend good?
nova marsh
Iconic ability that can be shoved up my ass
Jokes aside, I honestly dont mind rend. Espically now that it dosent take 2 keybinds
vale gorge
ignore collateral if your playing crushing combo just press cleave 4 times
Clea proc Collateral with the freee Slam
rancid dome
Overpower during Opportunist . is that mean 2 stack of Opportunist or just 1?
nova marsh
Overpower during Opportunist . is that mean 2 stack of Opportunist or just 1?
Oppurtinst stacks?
rancid dome
yes it stacking 2 time
obsidian otter
doesnt really stack even though it says it as you will always use a stack. When you press OP and it resets its own CD your next OP will use that stack its imposible to even get 2 stacks
vale gorge
In AoE, are you guys just Cleave x3 after Warstomp, or using ST abilities to sta...
Use one MS for the free crit = 2 stack
nova marsh
doesnt really stack even though it says it as you will always use a stack. When ...
....you mean op?
obsidian otter
....you mean op?
already edied before the response lol but yeah same with RB as well idk why they even have it worded that way
rancid dome
in aoe the Overpower during Opportunist priority is higher than MS so i was wondring if i hold MS for 2 stacks
nova marsh
in aoe the Overpower during Opportunist priority is higher than MS so i was wo...
No
Also you dont really want to use stacks on ms in full aoe
It should go to cleave (unless im trippin)
obsidian otter
it doesnt buff cleave no more
nova marsh
Oh
nova marsh
Opportunist effect OP cast not MS or Cleave
....we are talking about two entirely different buffs then
obsidian otter
your only ever using MS as fill as slayer in aoe if cleave /OP is on CD and no SD proc you MS with sweeping strikes up
BS will use your OP stacks with unhenged though in aoe
rancid dome
your only ever using MS as fill as slayer in aoe if cleave /OP is on CD and no S...
thank you its clear now
minor gust
Clea proc Collateral with the freee Slam
Yes it does, you still completely ignore collateral exists. It does not change your gameplay in any way. Press cleave on cd
minor gust
....we are talking about two entirely different buffs then <:keks:93623161085089...
He's still right MP doesn't affect cleave
nova marsh
Yeah I cant remeber all the arms changes nowadays
Either way we dont really care about mp stacks, yes?
minor gust
Yee just like collateral it's just something passive happening in the background
nova marsh
I dont think we ever really have
minor gust
Your still gonna just follow the same old prio
nova marsh
At least not since df
minor gust
Eh kinda because it did affect cleave. So in aoe it was still more value to make sure you consumed MP stacks with cleave, but tbh didn't really matter that much if you occasionally consumed with MS
nova marsh
I dont think MP was ever tuned that high. For the better tbh
obsidian otter
246 champ trink lets go!
nova marsh
246 champ trink lets go!
Gaming!
vale gorge
Yes it does, you still completely ignore collateral exists. It does not change y...
Just use on MS for the 2 stack on garented crit
fossil thistle
ignore collateral if your playing crushing combo just press cleave 4 times
🫡 what I've been doing, Didn't feel right doing it the the way I mentioned but figured i'd ask what otheres were doin
obsidian otter
our first pull lol
plucky fern
our first pull lol
arms need another nerf ASAP
obsidian otter
nah its perfectly balanced was first midnight dungeon as 80
feels so good after just leveling fury to 90 though ngl.. i prefer arms over fury
obsidian otter
arms need another nerf ASAP
He said ima pulls like 4-5 packs so I full sent it I don’t think the rest were ready 😂
plucky fern
nah its just scaling, its always like that, geared lvl 80 does insane damage on any class, when others lose damage every level
its stipud but you are doing more damage now than you will do on lvl 90 with new gear
chrome lava
17th, rise of Arms
🫵🏾
vale gorge
Darkmoon trinket are good atm ?
junior marsh
chrome lava
gentle gyro
How are we feeling today?
thorn stream
are reshii wraps still good at 90 ?
candid pecan
How are we feeling today?
feeling good, but ST is still insufficient 
gentle gyro
feeling good, but ST is still insufficient <:critcake:984549832511344640>
One birdy told me that aoe is really good and people complain for no reason
candid pecan
AOE is pretty good, Cleave consuming HS, and SD proccing REAP is very good
gentle gyro
Dreadnaught dog ass
candid pecan
yeah 🙁
gentle gyro
Revert all Dreadnaught changes and it's the best arms ever
Regarding aoe
not numbers wise
feel wise
plucky fern
revert all the arms nerfs and then we maybe climb to B tier
thorn stream
AOE is pretty good, Cleave consuming HS, and SD proccing REAP is very good
slayer in dungeons enjoyer
*fellow
teal marsh
where I can find arms builds?
feral breach
You can build arms in a gym.
Or maybe wowhead?
shadow ibex
Revert all Dreadnaught changes and it's the best arms ever
Remove bleeds and yea
I dont wanna read these tiny %
Get it outta my sight
plucky fern
better buff bleeds lol, if they are removed then this spec is basically only 'hit enemies with basic attacks'
untold trench
I for one prefer having a "press this button every 15 sec" gameplay instead it is so much more fun than doing big dam on the hit of the ability
shadow ibex
better buff bleeds lol, if they are removed then this spec is basically only 'hi...
Yes
gentle gyro
better buff bleeds lol, if they are removed then this spec is basically only 'hi...
Yes
I never understood bleed hate
plucky fern
so many people here hate bleeds asking them to be removed, but whats left tho lol, slamming and day long no thanks
gentle gyro
Do mechanics or be stunlocked for 3 business days = zero damage
plucky fern
also bleeds is our only way to do damage in large pulls like 10+ mobs
shadow ibex
Bigger ms
vagrant aspen
Bleeds only fun at BFA giga mastery deep wounds
plucky fern
they dont interact with the rest of the spec
whats 'interact' in your opinion then? we have like 7-8 talents for bleed synergies (if we count colossus hero)
shadow ibex
And they still do caca damage 
plucky fern
also the 'thematic' is there
you hit enemy with your big bonk
he bleeds from injuries
shadow ibex
What if he just died
gentle gyro
"Just make rend nr1 in details like in DF S3" 
plucky fern
details from my last dungeon run
plucky fern
maybe bias because it was like 10-20 mob pulls but rend is not useless
latent moss
thunderclap was all of ur dmg in aoe from the tierset
shadow ibex
Yea cleave is gonna get merked
plucky fern
the REAL problem is cleave doing 70% of damage xd
latent moss
get shot in the head
shadow ibex
Lmao
latent moss
asap
shadow ibex
Just give me frontal ms man
shadow ibex
I wish that was a fork
shadow ibex
Not having to pick up x2
Tbf colossus always been a lot of cleave just super obvious now cuz nothing does dmg
plucky fern
What about slayer?
its like 50% cleave 20% reap but honestly slayer with its design shouldnt even have cleave in top 3
plucky fern
its supposed to be reap and bladestorm doing heavy lifting
but currently you still rely on cleave which is wierd
latent moss
so now both hero talents play the same
candid pecan
**what about One against Many vs Arterial bleed for colossus? **
the idea is that you play OAM for dungeons and Arterial bleed for St (Raid)...
however you will never fucking play colossus in raid because of shit ST.... oh and they nerfed DW and Cut to the bone and it seems like Arterial bleed is 3% not 5% so whats the point of bleeds?
shadow ibex
They won't ever let bs be amazing aoe
plucky fern
**what about One against Many vs Arterial bleed for colossus? **
the idea is th...
dont even try to find logic in arms tuning from blizz
their AI probably is bugged
shadow ibex
If you could do respect with just wb and bs 
plucky fern
and instead of buffing it nerfs
3 times in a row
cant explain otherwise
shooting already dead spec
shadow ibex
Meta in early access
plucky fern
a human being could NOT print those changes
deft osprey
Why arms so bad 😭😔
dim basalt
gentle gyro
Hahaha, in S3 tww was solid
Literally 400 RiO below everyone else
"particularly strong for high-end Mythic+"
restive owl
hi fury warrior here
whats the rotation of arms
single target and aoe
is it harder than fury
plucky fern
whats the rotation of arms
N -> select fury -> change specialization
arms rotation is that simple
restive owl
ah i see
plucky fern
theres also different arms build where rotation is esc->logout->login DK
but im yet to test this one
hushed pine
When was rend good?
When it was tied to a proc and it increased bleed damage on the target
shadow ibex
Nerf cleave or mass exe
still fox
can any send me best dungeon slayer talents?
marsh estuary
any good news on arms
unkempt wren
any good news on arms
They haven't outright deleted the spec yet
I even saw one out in the wild last night!
marsh estuary
i switchted to fury and i actually kinda like it if they buff arms atleast to be like it was in prepatch ill switch back
for now it feels awful
mortal strike should not be hitting for so little
minor gust
Just use on MS for the 2 stack on garented crit
I think you're a little lost friend
topaz python
mortal strike should not be hitting for so little
MS crit was 20k avg at 140ish ilvl with two execute buffs resulting in 70% increase of damage
my wife plays prot and her execute at 120ilvl is 20k too
shadow ibex
The ms dmg is the journey along the way
obsidian otter
nah its just scaling, its always like that, geared lvl 80 does insane damage on ...
No I know your not even able to que as level 80 for new dungeons that’s my point scaling is nuts but I’m running heroics on my main already. It’s nice to actually see people’s damage not scaled like random normals. And eveyone is at 90! I’m doing about 58-60k overall as fury slayer currently in my current gear. Almost gotten a 200k peak pull. I’m just ready for mythic zeros
I should have my arms to 90 by tomorrow for sure. My fury slayer is gear capped so can’t progress him anymore atm
I like to keep them both at same ilv so I can actually compare runs to one another. Sims is great for dialing in gear but actually seeing it in action is a bit different
royal oyster
Levelling my arms warrior over the last few days has been rough; I leveled as Collossus becuase I figured having good Aoe/cleave would be the go to choice and like... I'm not gonna lie, the crawl from level 87-90 was rough; felt like I was back in TBC or Wrath with how I was struggling with some of the adds in world content.
Really, it comes down to how it feels like Single target has just cratered; Like maybe if heroic strike was able to dumptruck more damage It would be different but like... for a good chunk of the leveling expierience I was getting more damage out of the legendary cloak and my heroic arcano trinket then my actual damage.
bleak arrow
No I know your not even able to que as level 80 for new dungeons that’s my point...
yeah the scaling was weird
royal oyster
Take it as a grain of salt from me though; I'm not going to pretend that I'm a great player or anything, but Arms feels anemic right now.
slow saddle
M8 its 30/40% behibd
shadow ibex
The state of colossus st is emberassing ngl
Feels like literally an expac behind anyone else
It would actually make more sense if I was wearing shit from last expac
cobalt lodge
Yeah i mean Ret and WW monk arent looking spicy either and they are still lightyears ahead of arms in terms of dam
All tanks and a healer outdps arms on pure st
obsidian otter
Levelling my arms warrior over the last few days has been rough; I leveled as Co...
idk i leveled to 90 as slayer fury and will also be slayer arms. I feel reap is better than Demolish. You have no CD on reap and it procs every Sudden death proc. Plus it procs off cleave and MS. and for world content a CS into Cleave will wipe out anything your fighting aoe with slayer. You get Slayer strikes Reap procs and Slam procs when you cleave. And for big mass pulls you can easily big pull into CS >BS>Cleave spam everything should be dead.
I feel colossus your a CD spec more for your biggest burst CS>RAV>Cleave spam. outside of that idk what aoe your having
obsidian otter
can any send me best dungeon slayer talents?
left one is more overall AOE right one is if you want little less aoe overall but more single target during execute phase and dont feel like you have rage issues during aoe you can drop bloodsurge
if you dont use rend or struggle at keeping it up then dont run bloodsurge at all
you should be using it but i know some dont
royal oyster
Thanks for the advice Jet, I'll give it a shot 🙂
obsidian otter
Thanks for the advice Jet, I'll give it a shot 🙂
ima DM you screen shot dont wanna link it in discord
still fox
left one is more overall AOE right one is if you want little less aoe overall bu...
merci ❤️
gentle gyro
Cursed talent tree
obsidian otter
merci ❤️
leveling i use this build stuff dies to fast for Collateral or Mass execution to matter in open world. Battle lord gives you better rage management and more MS more reap stuff actually dying faster then when i leveled fury lol
umbral badger
Holyshit, you guys are going hard and i thought ppl would boycott arms warrior in objection
😂
umbral badger
The only hater is blizzard devs who pretend a 30% + weaker spec is just a form of "diversity" between seasons
dusky fern
Yeah i mean Ret and WW monk arent looking spicy either and they are still lighty...
Wild statement when windwalker is likely the 2nd best melee
unkempt wren
Holyshit, you guys are going hard and i thought ppl would boycott arms warrior i...
I don't mind being weak or middle of the pack, but the idea of doing less dmg than tanks is just demoralizing. lol
quaint otter
Wild statement when windwalker is likely the 2nd best melee
Fuck me...
Wait till first after raid out
Ww nerfd into ground as always
candid pecan
HOOOLD
nova marsh
please buff this spec so I can do real damage
sage bison
please buff this spec so i can do some damage
quaint otter
gaunt owl
Ok Blizzard is listening to the feedback
and came to the conclusion that Arms is still played
quaint otter
12.0 arms rework btw
gaunt owl
-13% aura nerf
quaint otter
gaunt owl
Remember how hyped people were with Heroic Strike being brought back in some form
you only get suffering after the hype
umbral badger
and came to the conclusion that Arms is still played
I mean it is reaching a point where the only way to force blizzard to fix the spec is if ppl playing it are near zero 😂😅
umbral badger
Remember how hyped people were with Heroic Strike being brought back in some for...
I defo hated it, as i always hated HC strike anyway 😂
obsidian otter
Remember how hyped people were with Heroic Strike being brought back in some for...
HS was good because it was in a time where it was a off GCD ability which is what made it so good lol people was hyped thinking it would been same
shadow ibex
If there's anything good that comes from current arms
Its that we finally got confirmation best way for buffs is get reddit to make fun of your spec
gentle gyro
spark epoch
omg just did my first heroic strike and love the little dink sound it makes LOL
so glad they added that
slow saddle
Id prefer if it did big dmg
slow saddle
Buff hs 100%
slow saddle
Ok the hs macro is nice
devout pewter
Have we tried shutting down this channel to persuade Blizz for buffs?
gaunt owl
we need to do it for funsies
slender sonnet
Only 17 more days.
slam damage increased by 1%
quaint otter
Have we tried shutting down this channel to persuade Blizz for buffs?
Do i smell paladin player here
quaint otter
^
soft gust
Question about the rotation. Was reading the Wowhead guide and there's no mention of collateral damage in the 2-target snippet at the top of the MT section. If mass execute is enough to bring cleave into the ST rotation, I'd assume having 3 collateral stacks would affect its place in the 2-target rotation?
quaint otter
Arms player basec is like 2%
obsidian otter
Question about the rotation. Was reading the Wowhead guide and there's no mentio...
you need 3 targets for collateral damage to proc
proper moth
Was hoping to jump back into arms but looks like I’ll be staying on the DH for now
nova marsh
Was hoping to jump back into arms but looks like I’ll be staying on the DH for n...
See how the 17th goes
proper moth
See how the 17th goes
Yeah I hit 90 yesterday gonna bring the warrior up now
summer quartz
I can't imagine arms warriors getting more nerfs on the 17th, but then again...you never know.
nova marsh
You're 99% likely to level as fury anyways
nova marsh
I can't imagine arms warriors getting more nerfs on the 17th, but then again...y...
If we don't get buffs
I'm actually not even gonna level warr
proper moth
I tried playing fury it feels clunky as shit atleast slayer does
Haven’t touch Warrior since the end of DF rolled a DH all of TWW
nova marsh
I just don't like fury after maining it for like 6 years
Tbh
leveling as warr might feel better then DK
Because DK is so fucking stupid
I can't die but I do nothing to anything until I pop CDs. And then I pop CDs and evreything dies in 5 seconds before I even get to exterms lol
gentle gyro
Fdk nice for leveling?
obsidian otter
im curious how you guys are leveling if your strugging like this
ive leveled to 90 on fury slayer and arms slayer is killing faster then fury was
nova marsh
Struggling wouldn't be the right word
proper moth
lol yeah a little tired of running fury too
Dk is nutty in normals at least. Rogue, lock, guardian Druid, and DK are destroying meters. Devourer takes too long to ramp
nova marsh
because like I literally cant die as dk as long as i have 2 braincells
If you're UDK
Sure
But UDK is boring as sin
And leveling as it is actually awful
proper moth
I didn’t mind it funny enough I full completed Silvermoon, sunwell, and ZA zones with some randoms dungeons and hit 90
dim basalt
I was just spamming the Silvermoon delve from 87 onward
nova marsh
I'm doing the full campign and did all the delve and dungeon quests
dim basalt
2 min to finish for 8% xp
proper moth
You’ll need to do the full campaign to get world quests etc
Lots of profession treasures in each zone too
nova marsh
I'm P sure the campign hasd enough to get me from 89-90
proper moth
Nope it’ll get ya to 87
If that’s all you’re doing
Had a guildie do that yesterday
nova marsh
...chirf
Im 89 rn
From doing all dungeons and their quests and all delve quests + campign
As in
proper moth
Oh then you’re good
nova marsh
2 campign chapters better have enough xp left for one level lmao
obsidian otter
i hit 88 from main campaign only then did world quest and 2 dungeons to ding 90 im just doing WQ dungeons and the hunt on my alt
nova marsh
Also I did the daily random dungeon but goes without saying. Shit is free xp
proper moth
100%
nova marsh
I thought M0s weren't open till the 3rd?
slender sonnet
They aren't
obsidian otter
2nd
proper moth
Oh shi mb
slender sonnet
I got to 87 and 15% through campaign it was cringe
nova marsh
Yeah idk what they did to xp this time around
nova marsh
EU can do M0s before reset
Well screw eu
proper moth
People really not like the campaign? I thought it was decent
nova marsh
Campign was better then tww
slender sonnet
It was the worst levelling experience I've ever had
obsidian otter
People really not like the campaign? I thought it was decent
I didnt mind it im not a story person though
nova marsh
Also getting hated on by evrey npc as a velf dk is fucking funny
proper moth
It’s pretty good for modern carebear wow standards
proper moth
Is it WOTLK or legion? Nahhhh
nova marsh
Tbh
proper moth
Im already tired of seeing Voidstorm though
Void has been in the last 3 expansions😂
nova marsh
Im already tired of seeing Voidstorm though
Im tired of voidstorm because why are the mobs this tanky holy fuck
proper moth
Legion story telling was kinda mid. Mop was better
It’s the hype of closing out built up stories
soft gust
WoD leveling campaign was peak
nova marsh
I guess?
proper moth
WoD leveling campaign was peak
True
dim basalt
I dont remember WoD levelling too much
nova marsh
But overall well I liked legion and thought legion had a good story....I just enjoyed mop more
proper moth
Was very fond of WoD its when I got into CE mythic raiding and arms was sooooooooo good
soft gust
WoD did music, art, and questing really well and then severely fumbled any and all content scheduling
slender sonnet
got my first CE on wod as balance druid
proper moth
1m+ executes chefs kiss
nova marsh
WoD did music, art, and questing really well and then severely fumbled any and a...
Honestly na
I didnt even the questing in wod that much past Teladarr
Spires was annoying and nagrand was only bad because thrall cheated lowkey
reef glade
Im tired of voidstorm because why are the mobs this tanky holy fuck
cuz we’re dog ass and our gear is ass and the scaling is ass
nova marsh
I know but like man
dim basalt
Fury is chill, you can pull 8 mobs at 90 and not sweat
nova marsh
Nothing else was this bad that I remeber
proper moth
With a lil gear it’ll get better
nova marsh
Oh ik
dim basalt
Demo is legit stupid atm
Our wl has 20 gs less than me and does more damage than me as Fury
nova marsh
DK does literally nothing until I pop CDs and kill evreything in 2 seconds before exterms even kick in
dim basalt
like wha
nova marsh
It's so funny
nova marsh
I don't even get to press FWF LOL
dim basalt
Demo will 100% get shot before mythic raids
proper moth
Guardian Druid is best dps rn not cap
proper moth
Haven’t seen one yet lmao
dim basalt
Veng does decent dps
umbral badger
Have we tried shutting down this channel to persuade Blizz for buffs?
would be funnier if you shut down the arms channel and then arms warriors flood into other channels in riot lol
obsidian otter
our dungeon bugged 🙁
proper moth
We should do what the warlocks and ret paladins did tbh
But honestly I would love a rework for arms and fury. Idk why rogues and warlocks get like 7 reworks every patch
umbral badger
See how the 17th goes
how do you think it iwll go ? we went through this exactly last season, they keep you waiting until last moment and then they give you 9% aura buff to calm you down even though 9% won' do anything
proper moth
how do you think it iwll go ? we went through this exactly last season, they kee...
Worst cause an aura buff best case a rework
Do I expect either? No
soft gust
No way we're getting a rework on a tuning patch
umbral badger
Worst cause an aura buff best case a rework
a 9% aura buff was just them treating us as if we were stupid, that's the issue.
unkempt light
nexus-point hc overall, we getting nerfed
umbral badger
when the class is 20%-40% behind 9% aura buff is just dumb
proper moth
nexus-point hc overall, we getting nerfed
Too early still
proper moth
when the class is 20%-40% behind 9% aura buff is just dumb
Yes
unkempt light
dont worry i lost to tank on 2 bosses
proper moth
Lmaoooo
umbral badger
feeling like you have to do 9 times the effort to rank in warcraft logs is depressing
nova marsh
how do you think it iwll go ? we went through this exactly last season, they kee...
I think arms will become a playable spec
Rework on the 17th is absoutle cope.
umbral badger
even in that fantasy land , being "playable" after 3 seasons "an entire expansion really" of low priority by the devs is, playable is not enough.
nova marsh
I know
proper moth
Arms needs like 4 buttons, MS Execute Cleave OP
nova marsh
This is literally why I rerolled
Because they refuse to properly tune arms and we scale with buffs lmao
proper moth
That’s why I’m not playing it rn doesn’t feel good
nova marsh
altough I still think that because of how focused the team was on design, balance is gonna be completely fucked for S1
obsidian otter
nexus-point hc overall, we getting nerfed
that's the thing even when we was logging keys in beta at 150k-180k overall people still complain B tier wasnt good enough they wanted to get nerfed lol when your playing with the rest of the population not just beta sweats you will do alot better if your decent/good at arms alot of players even FOTM players still do bad on OP classes. They just look less bad if its tuned good lol
proper moth
I like the idea of buttons morphing it’s pretty cool on DH
proper moth
that's the thing even when we was logging keys in beta at 150k-180k overall peop...
It’s more than dps for me. Just too many pointless buttons and it doesn’t feel good when MS and Execute your premier buttons don’t given you a semi when you push them
soft gust
I like the idea of buttons morphing it’s pretty cool on DH
Colossus Smash turning into Demolish is something I've wanted for a while but I doubt it ever happens
would fix the desync and reduce a keybind
bleak arrow
nexus-point hc overall, we getting nerfed
some heroic boss, is arms okay?
soft gust
but nah
proper moth
Colossus Smash turning into Demolish is something I've wanted for a while but I ...
Cause it makes sense
umbral badger
altough I still think that because of how focused the team was on design, balanc...
dunno bro this is what they always use as their reason to neglect their shit. wow is still one of the games that milk the customers for money, they can manage to hire 10 more people for balance lol. in fact, i would bet that you can find thousends of ppl who would want their payment to be on balance and class identity, i ain't gonna be using their housing nor do i collect stuff like mounts. so when i pay the monthly payment i expect at least the product i use to be worked on lol.
nova marsh
But honestly I think the instant we saw how much work they did on classes in just the first wave of alpha, it wasn't hard to tell balance was gonna be a complete shitshow
I honestly feel like that by the time blizz started doing actual buffs and nerfs we were already a week away from EA more or less
umbral badger
all that is fine, if it wasn't the same problem the entire expansion that we just went through, in fact slayer arms had 1 single week of season 2 being S tier, before getting nerfed back to like C tier
and the boss fights ended up being bad for arms even and wasn't even wanted in raids
proper moth
There’s someone on the dev team out for us
It’s the warlock dev I’ll put money on it
umbral badger
i do think that our access to execute nad sweeping strikes is in part why they don't buff us or make us strong enough, but then again there are enough classes that completely obelitrate specific fights.
so why draw a line here
nova marsh
Honestly I don't even think exe being great would help us that much
fast wedge
i just did a lvl 84 dungeon and was top dps. i think we’re back !
soft gust
so true
proper moth
Our buttons don’t make big numbers, our niche isn’t niche anymore and we aren’t the premier execute class.
nova marsh
Exe is only useful near the end of prog. It does literally jack all if we don't reach it
I mean fun fact
To my knowledge, arms wasn't even the main exe spec of warrior until like bfa!
slow saddle
IDM
slow saddle
if im bottomfeeder 99% of the time
but when we hit execute phase I RISE ABOVE THE DREGS AND PLACE MYSELF ON TOP ( if prog )
quaint otter
Our buttons don’t make big numbers, our niche isn’t niche anymore and we aren’t ...
being so since sl maybe?
slow saddle
i do think that our access to execute nad sweeping strikes is in part why they d...
so many classes have execute m8
we can call it something else
proper moth
being so since sl maybe?
Something like that
slow saddle
slightly bigger slam
muted swallow
is arms really as bad as ppl are saying
proper moth
Arms is supposed to be the big number melee spec that doesn’t do big numbers and blizz is unmoving on arms being a bleed spec
proper moth
is arms really as bad as ppl are saying
Yes
nova marsh
is arms really as bad as ppl are saying
yes
muted swallow
good game
nova marsh
Arms is supposed to be the big number melee spec that doesn’t do big numbers and...
Just because arms has bleeds does not mean it's a bleed spec lmao
quaint otter
fury has even more bleeds
nova marsh
Espically now that Roar and SKS is gone
slow saddle
hmm
umbral badger
so many classes have execute m8
well, i've played arms for almost the entirety of world of warcraft history, and i can tell you one thing. sweeping strike and execute are 2 abilities that once the class is A tier on signle target, it becomes completely broken on certain fights. annd often times blizzard don't seem to like that but they do seem to go easier on more popular specs when it comes to balance ? i assume it is a big mix of reasons ofc but still
quaint otter
arms behind everything by 20%
lol
slow saddle
well, i've played arms for almost the entirety of world of warcraft history, and...
i can tell u
quaint otter
ret behind 5% of meta
"we close discord for boicot"
slow saddle
many classes have been better at the same time
and i have played since tbc
when ever we say 2 target cleave last 10 years when ? in raid ?
where we dont get cucked by warlock
nova marsh
The only specs that I'd call bleed specs are assa and feral
quaint otter
surv hunt maybe too
proper moth
Pretty sure MM Hunter does 2 target better than us lmao
proper moth
well, i've played arms for almost the entirety of world of warcraft history, and...
Simple as nerf the cleave dam instead of gutting the classes damage lol
slow saddle
so show me a LOG where we totally fucked other specs
umbral badger
many classes have been better at the same time
i mean that's my point, they always draw a line when it comes to arms, but mages being S tier every season every expansion forever is no problem
proper moth
so show me a LOG where we totally fucked other specs
You’re right bro arms is secret op you caught us
proper moth
i mean that's my point, they always draw a line when it comes to arms, but mages...
Literally
proper moth
Arms was pretty juiced in DF tbh
proper moth
Correct
nova marsh
I can't recall a single time in DF where arms was hard meta
umbral badger
and lets be real, enhance shamans are sometimes in the same boat, both are specs that have lower playerbase in general so it says something.
feral druids too
nova marsh
Yes
proper moth
Feral is the outlier imo
umbral badger
it's like they are saying "if not many ppl play this spec, fk the few that do"
proper moth
But like feral isnt dogshit ass to play anymore
slow saddle
Arms was pretty juiced in DF tbh
yeah season 1 after 0.5 where we got some changes
nova marsh
But I can say that enhance was also stupidin TWW S1
slow saddle
and meme season we were strong coz we had STUPID good tier
umbral badger
But I can say that enhance was also *stupid*in TWW S1
yea enhance has some small periods of peaks indeed i won't deny that
muted swallow
feral is worse to play now than it was before
slow saddle
but as i said arms when A tier in ST isnt broken in 2 target fights
muted swallow
feels worse atleast
slow saddle
Until now tbh
when they basicly make sweep passive and hit 100%
which was bad choice tbh
proper moth
That’s a good idea make SS baseline passive
slow saddle
it should be
nova marsh
i'd rather they fucking remove SS
if that's the reason we can't be tuned well, get rid of it
No more excuses
slow saddle
Broad strokes should make ss passive 😄
shadow ibex
low emotional intelligence devs will give you almost 100% uptime on sweeping instead of just passive sweep because then they have to admit they were wrong 
slow saddle
they manage to make FURY good in st ??:D with WW doing 65% to 4 targets ?:D
i mean not only that but IF sweep just was 12 + 12
then at least id live with it
proper moth
😂
shadow ibex
yea its very dumb just from pure gameplay
players have to know not to use one before the other
brilliance
slow saddle
yup
proper moth
Warrior dev is probably a full time pet battler
shadow ibex
be like if you had to completely empty your bullets in an fps before you reload
slow saddle
like its the least intuitive thing in wow atm
nova marsh
yea its very dumb just from pure gameplay
I mean yeah this is the same thing they did with FDK
And Deathbringer
nova marsh
No
shadow ibex
then thats dumb
proper moth
I liked the SL execute of first 35% and last 35%
nova marsh
But honestly I don't really care much about RM
No not that
You get exterm from FwF
Meaning if you send FwF early in pillar (like you'd naturally do), you fuck yourself and over cap
slow saddle
LOL harandir = jurrasic park on mushrooms
proper moth
Devourer DH is Temu reaper from FF14 lol
nova marsh
does pof have a 12 sec cap
I'm not sure
slow saddle
Harandir is just blizzard stealing Slyvari from GW2
nah its jurrasic park
100%
Shroomosaurs
nova marsh
But it feels kinda jank
proper moth
Is the arms apex any good? I feel like it’s lazy and gay
nova marsh
waiting for mark to pop, then spending exterm, THEN popping FWF
umbral badger
what's more funny to me as i love colossus is how we already had to manage our rage, blizzard were like "manage your rage? WHAT? you should not have rage to begin with ! "
LoL
proper moth
New content! Heroic strike returns for the 15th time!!
proper moth
I feel like it would be from the base talents not apex lol
nova marsh
I really do feel like it's what you want from apexes
proper moth
Like Dev DH gives 100% crit 200% crit dam and a free cast on meta like it’s juiced
umbral badger
best way to get arms buffed is to compare wow balancing to PoE balancing , blizzard hates nothing more than getting beating by PoE in any way
quaint otter
best way to get arms buffed is to compare wow balancing to PoE balancing , blizz...
as a matter of fact poe has much more math
umbral badger
yup
quaint otter
even poe2 is more complex than wow
umbral badger
and yet they get the game right 900 times better than wow lol
umbral badger
just take this
add another photo beneath it showing how big the path notes of poe for balance and go like "meanwhile"
lol
sharp wyvern
being an arms warrior is a struggle its litteraly canon
proper moth
Don’t worry guys it’s all part of the story. All the arms warriors are going to get imbued by the sun well and the class will get deleted and everyone will just be a ret paladin
abstract cairn
being an arms warrior is a struggle its litteraly canon
haha
jovial hare
well that's cool
minor gust
Arms is supposed to be the big number melee spec that doesn’t do big numbers and...
Arms has lost its identity a long ass time ago. It's been fury lite for like 8 years
It just exists
jovial hare
this is one of my favorites so far
proper moth
Arms has lost its identity a long ass time ago. It's been fury lite for like 8 y...
Truuuuu
Well maybe we we get some nice things on the 17th otherwise I have collapsing star that makes big number
nova marsh
Arms has lost its identity a long ass time ago. It's been fury lite for like 8 y...
And that is why evreyone should reroll
The spec is doomed
There is no hope for arms. Its over
icy mulch
#updates-midnight message
What is with the sound of Heroic strike? Why does that sound like slap?
proper moth
It’s a slap that breaks the fourth wall it’s actually for the player
minor gust
Well maybe we we get some nice things on the 17th otherwise I have collapsing st...
Idk what arms needs is a rework on what arms warrior is supposed to be similar to what MM got in TWW. A rework where Blizz goes ok what is an arms warrior and how should it play and feel. This spec is so fucking outdated and left to the dust.
17th is just tuning that shit doesn't mean anything
nova marsh
Idk what arms needs is a rework on what arms warrior is supposed to be similar t...
ya know what sucks?
At the start of alpha I thought they'd actually do that
But nope
minor gust
We all did
nova marsh
Blizz had to prove me wrong lmao
minor gust
We got hoodwinked
minor gust
Avatar gone ravager gone. So much potential to make CS and BS/demo mean and do something
proper moth
Idk what arms needs is a rework on what arms warrior is supposed to be similar t...
Well ideally a rework would be the move but I doubt we’ll get it by 17th. So a number bump would be a bandaid Forsure
minor gust
There was so much potential at the start of alpha and it fell so flat
nova marsh
Well ideally a rework would be the move but I doubt we’ll get it by 17th. So a n...
Doubt no dude
We are not getting a rework until 12.05 at the earliest
proper moth
Agreed
nova marsh
And the most likely is maybe TLT
proper moth
Rogue will get another rework
minor gust
Well ideally a rework would be the move but I doubt we’ll get it by 17th. So a n...
Yeah no now it's just tuning which is a who cares that shit goes up and down all the time. The rework we pray for is hopefully during the major patches or gotta wait till next expansion
night hedge
They knew !
nova marsh
I was looking forward to coming back to arms
proper moth
Same
minor gust
We are not getting a rework until 12.05 at the earliest
They didn't do anything in TWW class wise in the .5 patches only the main patches
nova marsh
But now I'll just stay on dk
proper moth
Khadgar wheelchair it is
nova marsh
They didn't do anything in TWW class wise in the .5 patches only the main patche...
True but they didnt say no
Also thats not true. Enhance got reworked for 11.05
minor gust
True yeah they stopped after the first season tho
proper moth
Numbers aside playing the spec feels janky
minor gust
It's all the fotm rerollers fault
OMG I have to reroll on the .5 patch because of the class changes wth Blizz!
proper moth
Reworks make the spec work like intended😂😂😂
Don’t worry we’re safe this xpac DH getting the legendary if there is one
nova marsh
I hope not
Tww was objectively correct in no Legos. Fuck that shit
And I honestly feel like cantrip items do that better without being as infuriating
proper moth
I don’t like legos classes are balanced around them is stupid look at the Axe in DF
I want to be OP with a Lego not balanced
nova marsh
Being balanced around one item you might not even see for the majority of the season is terrible
proper moth
Literally
nova marsh
Or at all if you dont raid
proper moth
Like nah Leme be busted with it or don’t put it in the game
nova marsh
Yeah id rather the axe have been rare and busted
Rather then guaranteed and basically mandatory cuz youre tuned around it
sacred zodiac
Yeah id rather the axe have been rare and busted
Nuh uh
nova marsh
...
proper moth
Lmaooo
proper moth
I was carried in DF, got the evoker Lego first sark kill in an alt run and hard swapped to dev then got the axe in a couple of lock outs
DF was alright
proper moth
Agreed
nova marsh
Also I got stuck in exclusively m+ hell for half the time I played it. Ty work
proper moth
Hoping midnight is better I like it so far
nova marsh
All the dungeons feel kinda fine
proper moth
Yeah
nova marsh
Then again I haven't done mythic and only norms. But like layout wise p nice
And we arent being shoved in a corridor or in a corner
proper moth
Idk the mechanics of most bosses cause they die so fast lmao
proper moth
Yes layout is good def passes the vibe check. Stuck in norm atm too need a lil more ilvl to do heroics
nova marsh
Seeing ones that arent bolts but just pulsing damage feels fine. Id rather have that over infinite one shot bolts
proper moth
Yes that’s a nice change
nova marsh
The only boss I didn't really like was first boss of nexus point but like
I have to actually do it properly
obsidian otter
The only boss I didn't really like was first boss of nexus point but like
which one though left or right one? you can do either first?
nova marsh
which one though left or right one? you can do either first?
The line dude
nova marsh
Yeah kinda annoying
obsidian otter
it can be hard or easy depending on how its tanked for sure
obsidian otter
The line dude
I loe the corewarden fight
nova marsh
The one with the adds?
nova marsh
Ye the amp is fun
slate grail
https://i.imgur.com/5BAhHae.png i found our dps dont worry
obsidian otter
anyone know how to get rid of this blizz ui thing
options>combat> top selection personal resource
uncheck it
cloud path
god bless you sir
hushed pine
unironically doing more damage with this Slayer aoe build than colo
minor gust
no actual content out so just play whatever
stone marsh
Never skip legs warrior
obsidian otter
Almost fully heroic geared
my arms level 87 almost 90 my fury already fully gear capped until reset
there a overall pug run I just did on fury first boss damage no add fight 60k overall for whole run felt good hoping to see how arms feels soon
nova marsh
Hopeful for the 17th?
worn knoll
Hopeful for the 17th?
zero hope whatsoever, but I'm not respeccing anytime soon out of pure spite
nova marsh
that's the spirit!
tulip breach
don't have prerelease but looking forward to leveling my arms warrior on monday
nova marsh
It is
Blizzard actually fucking trolled this time
You cant convince me this shit wasnt on purpose just to flip the bird to arms
Yall gonna leave udk mage and demo as meta
But nerf arms who was just kinda there. We dont even have the excuse of fury strays this time
Like demo is obviously busted lol
But no, lets nerf a random barely b tier spec. God im still salty
rare kite
But nerf arms who was just kinda there. We dont even have the excuse of fury str...
Prot strays
nova marsh
Because animations poopy
Why's it so small
Also I forgot eu gets daily reset early and went on to check the tp lol
thick kelp
Theres a 1h that is being held correctly
gentle gyro
But no, lets nerf a random barely b tier spec. God im still salty
It was never even a B tier
pliant crypt
ok but what is this normal dangeon ? till 10 m+,normal raids all speks are good
gentle gyro
Let me put Jon Jones in the octagon against a cripple and you'll see him perform well. See? See?
Does that udk / devo even have a monitor?
radiant dawn
yeah that damage is kind of unfair. you're outdpsing another player. we're gonna have to personally nerf you by removing all your fingers
good luck bro
civic path
quiet bramble
Slarms
heavy moat
bleak arrow
just had an arms warrior swap to fury mid heroic
fresh spire
bleak arrow
its so deceptive cause you'll do a trash pull and be like, okay, arms seems kinda okay, then you do a boss and you're like, arms is not okay
gentle gyro
Nah, FunkyKitty just knows ball
modern cove
Its kinda unfair how fury apex works all the time while we keep praying for procs
naive minnow
Blizzard? Love Fury more than Arms? Noooo.
modern cove
Blizzard? Love Fury more than Arms? Noooo.
Hot take
tropic eagle
I searched this a while back out of curiosity. Fury has been above average in dps rankings for 7-8 expansions out of 10 while arms only excelled in like3 outside of very specific niche fights
Only lord knows why I keep playing this shit since tbc 
hallow quail
Arms has incredibly strong class fantasy. The fundamentals are very reminiscent of the old wow. Despite the actual gameplay being so far removed. DBTS is one of the coolest active mitigation spells in the game in dungeons.
Personal opinion, I think arms matches wows intended street brawler combat style quite effectively. While fury feels like playing with wet noodles.
naive minnow
Arms has been and always will be my favorite spec. Was just shocked during the EA going "hmm... why am I having rage problems?"
proper moth
Dumb changes that don’t make sense, bad tuning, clunky and bloated kit, blizz hell bent on arms being a bleed spec, apex talents lame asf, list goes on
tropic eagle
its still the only spec thats close to my heart so F it we ball
no magic shit just a bigass sword to fight galactic wars and stuff? Sign me up
proper moth
100% just frustrating. It’s my favorite spec. TWW is when I decided to roll off war for the first time since I started the game in wrath and I’m mad that it was the right decision
tropic eagle
same actually.. been an arms guy since tbc but tww wasnt it so I mained a ww monk and I had so much more fun man...
proper moth
Rolled havoc in TWW now the new spec and throwing spirit bombs for giant damage is too good
Dopamine hit is crazy
shadow ibex
spirit bombs are for the birds
proper moth
😂
When they slam for 200k+ feels good man
Not to mention you get a 30% amp on each one cast the damage gets nutty. Ramp up is the only down side
shell arch
ARMS feels so bad, what the hell is that class design
fast wedge
HEY! i love it, just buff my numbers
shell arch
slam?! WHY THIS SPELL STILL EXISTS
most warriors hate slam, if they are making a slam focused build, should be at least tied to hero talent tree, not apex, that is common for all builds
latent moss
most warriors hate slam, if they are making a slam focused build, should be at l...
its heroic strike not slam
proper moth
Idk why heroic strike is the apex talent it’s stupid
latent moss
i dont get the slam hate and i never will
proper moth
How many times has heroic strike be removed and reintroduced
latent moss
ye it does nothing its a filler
bleak arrow
slam?! WHY THIS SPELL STILL EXISTS
Just 
latent moss
i wish colo played ms>slam>op
and slayer ms>op>slam
and it was kinda going that direction in early alpha
but they just decided to make both play the same
shell arch
now its slam > everything xD
naive minnow
Arms is just oops all spenders no builders
tired sinew
Arms is just oops all spenders no builders
this is something i really dont understand for arms... lol... its like everything spends.. and the AA give only enough rage for 1 ability
latent moss
now its slam > everything xD
how
dim basalt
now its slam > everything xD
What is lil bro yappin
latent moss
yes heroic strike is high prio but hs is not slam at all
shell arch
i need to get good
naive minnow
this is something i really dont understand for arms... lol... its like everythin...
Then fury has like.. 5? 6 Builders
shell arch
for m+, what is more popular for arms, slayer or colossus?
tired sinew
for m+, what is more popular for arms, slayer or colossus?
Currently. BIS arms is pressing N and switching to fury and equipping another weap. but I’m just spouting crap
tropic eagle
tired sinew
I really gotta see what 17 march brings lol
tropic eagle
I need to stop reading arms doomposts or Ill end up completely dropping it after 16 years
Maining ww monk in undermine was already an eye opener
white stratus
Anyone figured out the rage starved arms situation lol?
proper moth
I really gotta see what 17 march brings lol
5% aura buff
proper moth
Anyone figured out the rage starved arms situation lol?
Play fury or a different class
Or get a shiz ton of crit but ya know
white stratus
i tried fury from 80-90 it hits like wet noodles and in dungeons im lowest dps always so figured arms was going to be better
at least i get big numbers on my screeen idk lol
obsidian otter
i tried fury from 80-90 it hits like wet noodles and in dungeons im lowest dps a...
my arms warrior is 89 close to 90 my fury warrior is already 90 gear capped and crest cap i do 60k overall currently in mythic plus as slayer fury Bloodbath hits for 50k atm its actually insane how hard it hits
white stratus
also does anyone else have issues macroing Avatar and Bladestorm together?
shell arch
also does anyone else have issues macroing Avatar and Bladestorm together?
they don't line up if u got anger management
obsidian otter
i tried fury from 80-90 it hits like wet noodles and in dungeons im lowest dps a...
#arms message This was run last night before i got off for bed heroic
white stratus
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148898720803586048/1477548745926...
nice looking good, i just wanted to spice things up
white stratus
they don't line up if u got anger management
i see... thank you
obsidian otter
honestly ive been enjoying arms leveling over fury lol
I always play arms though so could be bias
I only play slayer though in both specs
fading isle
honestly ive been enjoying arms leveling over fury lol
I enjoy more arms than fury endgame wise this patch
fury is such a mess with the rotation
white stratus
i get what he means for the rotation, feels weird
fading isle
BT=Execute , in recklessness: 3 times rampage then BT whatever and BT
obsidian otter
BT=Execute , in recklessness: 3 times rampage then BT whatever and BT
2x ramp into BTs so your not wasting stacks
you cant stack it to 3 to boost BT/bloodbath so you should always do BT/Bloodbath after second rampage
fading isle
2x ramp into BTs so your not wasting stacks
something that I don't get with fury's apex talent, 4 stack is maximum but still getting 4 stacks uptime is terrible
obsidian otter
Bloodbath does more damage then rampage
no i mean the stacks that boost BT damage
fading isle
bcs rampage deals less damage than anytthig
obsidian otter
during reck you wanna BT after every Rampage if its up usually its up after second one
white stratus
idk i got some 65k strikes on mobs
fading isle
man... just buff 30% damage and 15% on MS
arms
and i'll play it
I feel bored with fury rn
bleak arrow
Best I can do is 20% cleave
obsidian otter
if your running MP then you should be aiming to fill 2-3GCDS between every MS
MS cd is 5s you should be using OP/slam/heroic in between to boost the MS so it actually does damage. And if you can fill in those GCD with SD procs it boost MS even more
fading isle
season 3 dragonflight fury was fun than this midnight bs
fading isle
Best I can do is 20% cleave
Imagine they buff cleave 20% and in ST Cleave > MS
bleak arrow
Wouldn’t surprise me
obsidian otter
you have 3 gcds in betwen MS strikes so you should either be at 3 stacks of MP or if you get SD procs 2 stacks of MP 1 stack of EP. Sometimes you can get 2 stacks of EP and 1 stack of EP in single target.
bleak arrow
We removed slam by mooning cleave
fading isle
As of I know in beta tuning, Cleave is 3k or 7k behind MS
so
delete Arms
and call it now Legs
obsidian otter
You should have these stacks every time you press MS using MP and EP talents. You have enough GCDs for it to happen naturally to boost your MS to actually hit hard.
even in beta people said ms wasnt hitting hard yet i was doing 450k MS strikes.. at max gear
but they didnt want to run the build that was working and logging 150k-180k in beta
Sure we are in need of buff specially after the nerfs but people still not using what we have that works even if we get A tier people gonna complain
nova marsh
Guys question
is details making the game literally unplayable due to extreme lua errors for anyone else?
limber light
is details making the game literally unplayable due to extreme lua errors for an...
yep had to disable it
but i had not error until now
nova marsh
yeah same, it was fine up till today
obsidian otter
details depth of what hit etc is good but its not as accurate as a server side dps meter. Even when you test details its off by few hits of a skill the longer it runs. Even testing it and counting every skill you press it sometimes shows less or more.
I think blizzard will have it more detailed soon we already upgraded from beta one we had
all were missing is the fine details when you click on the damage
nova marsh
Oh so details isn't really a worth while addon now
obsidian otter
even when i compare my logs damage to blizzard dps meters vs details meters the logs and blizzards meters were more similar then vs details and logs
obsidian otter
its not massive details still fine if that is what you prefer
its not like your doing 10k+ more on one then the other lol Ive ran both details and blizzard dps in beta they are pretty close I just prefer a server side data vs not
and were already on version 2.0 of it from what we had in beta so im sure its gonna get another update
nova marsh
For now I'm just gonna uninstall it
Just use blizzard's
Espically after it made my game literally unplayable
obsidian otter
blizzards is customizable onlything your missing is the details of crits hits number of skills used etc
outside of that has everything
obsidian otter
there multiple skins to it
only 3 styles atm sure but im sure will get more skins to it
tropic eagle
I mean... Biz is still rocking arms
obsidian otter
tropic eagle
that means its decent
obsidian otter
i mean thats all skins we got right now
tropic eagle
I can work with decent
nova marsh
No my main problem is just
how it displays the damage breakdown
It just dosen't look good to me
next vessel
Sure we are in need of buff specially after the nerfs but people still not using...
Do you have a talent build for this? I assume its different than the “normal” build based on this remark
nova marsh
This just looks like shit to me
obsidian otter
Do you have a talent build for this? I assume its different than the “normal” bu...
the battle lord sims about same dps single target like 200 differnce but the non battle lord AOE sim is about 10k differnce
obsidian otter
This just looks like shit to me
that looks terrible lol
next vessel
thanks friend
nova marsh
na na na not my problem here
The problem is I just really display the window itself
compared to....any other damage meter addon
obsidian otter
thanks friend
I level with the Battlelord build but i run dungeons with the other ive used both in dungeons you just do way less aoe damage with battle lord build
is your details updated?