#arms

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vestal smelt
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Khadgar is a warrior confirmed

tired sinew
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Khadgar arms working to roll the dam wheelchair. Haaa

gentle gyro
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Me getting that sweet 2200 RiO in Midnight

slender sonnet
quaint otter
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yes.

halcyon valve
icy mulch
slender sonnet
weak rain
grave mulch
spark mango
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i feel so weak as arms, again. i dunno man i just want to play this spec and be competetive

weak wave
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Is it a known bug that this talent doesn't work? (the zero rage cost part)

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spark mango
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i am tired of fury expansions

spark mango
weak wave
spark mango
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it does. every few sudden death i see it reset my overpower

fresh spire
weak wave
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ah damn. nvm. I misstook this for another one

spark mango
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would be too much to ask for changes just for sake of change? from tww to midnight i wont feel any diffrence

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still fury slayer for raid, and arms underwhelming in all aspects

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i will never understand nerfing normal or underperforming specs.

weak wave
spark mango
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pretty shit imo

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i am not complaining about balancing tho, like would be it so bad if colossus arms was Top single target damage and slayer was our dungeon spec? i just want the routine to change a bit

steep osprey
stone marsh
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The issue is that arms has too much testosterone, which is a clear indicator of toxic masculinity, and it goes against blizz's idea for a world with only strong female characters

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Therefore it needs to be degraded and humiliated

bleak arrow
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They’re just cooking arms will come out a full meal as soon as the timers done

spark mango
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my personal opinion is even if they make the damage compareable to top classes, i dont like how new expansion offers less change than season change

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Colossus is playing exactly the same. just a heroic strike here and there

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we have bloodborne and bloodletting, 3 talent points combined fairly down the tree. while they keep nerfing bleeds

slender sonnet
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we never doom here

spark mango
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we should outsource our complaints to mage and paladin discord, they'll take care of it

fresh spire
stoic palm
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we are done 🙂 its my new class fantasy im just a peon whit 2 handed sword in a busted fanatsy world xD

slender sonnet
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real

stoic palm
stoic palm
slender sonnet
stoic palm
spark mango
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not only the damage is bad but it also feels clunky as hell on colossus, slayer seems decent to play tho

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with 169 ilvl full bis on retail i'm doing 20k on a dummy

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and thats with Cs raid talents, i dont dare go st on my M+ build

thorn stream
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ST in m+ build was something yesterday in the 1 key i played keks

spark mango
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i think thane prot warrior can compete with colossus on st

slender sonnet
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lol yeayh

swift crown
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Nerf Arms urgently please

spark mango
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2 weeks ago in prepatch i think, when dreadnaught was fucking. i liked that

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i think blizzard found out . responded immediatly

sharp dust
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Fun detected

slender sonnet
fallen elbow
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I think there's hope for arms, I mean look at sub they were lets say fucked at the start of beta and got fix

spark mango
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when i say arms i mean colossus. i think slayer is in a good place and with few buffs it will be decent, but Colossus seems so dead

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using execute on colossus feels so bad

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and when you dont have rage and your spells are cooldown at same time (happens often). it feels like i'm playing Tbc warrior with auto attacks

fresh spire
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Both specs just need tuning.

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Playstyle wise they are ok

gentle gyro
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Damn, I missed the Train, can we try again esteemed gentlemen?

verbal jacinth
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We will scale with stats in season 3

thorn stream
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I'd also like if demolish was just on am instead of its own cdr mechanic

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but thats just me ig

swift crown
spark mango
thorn stream
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Fair

gusty nymph
# fresh spire Playstyle wise they are ok

A lot of stuff is still meh… forget tuning, we still have synch issues, 2 targets not stacking, cap nodes being useless… i appreciate your optimism but it is not good

spark mango
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i agree, colossus doesnt feel ok on single target

thorn stream
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Slayer feels fine - if you get blessed with SD

spark mango
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if dreadnaught wasnt on arms but on colossus talents, and doing huge damage i could be like reap the storm

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and we are rage starved

thorn stream
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for slayer atleast, would it help to up SD proc chance ?

spark mango
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slayer is honestly fine, with some tuning and ab it more rage generation its going to be fine, but too similar to fury slayer.

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before, arms had juggernaut, but now feels very similar

thorn stream
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yea my question was regarding the rage gen - if that would it

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but i agree with you there

weak rain
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Easy fix for rage starvation would be making HS not cost rage, but instead give rage(10 would be ok) and buff 4/4 by making hs reduce CS by 4 sec(technically its 3 currently, 20 rage cost for AM+2 sec)

spare tree
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wasnt it 5 seconds not too long ago

spark mango
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the thing is tho, Colossus smash not giving haste and moving it to bladestorm and demolish i think was a mistake

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if you dont have those during your Cs window its meh

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you have to line it up

thorn stream
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In for the kill sadge

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the line it up part is also a big one

austere solar
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Was busy at work. Can someone brief me. Are we back ?

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Does a miracle happen ?

spiral coral
austere solar
sacred zodiac
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wouldnt expect more balance passes until raid week

austere solar
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I'm being furious about that... It will help me to go fury i guess.

bleak arrow
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Arms buffs.

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Believe.

fresh spire
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2 target not stacking?

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Main sync issue is ravager which you just fully hold for Cs which is cringe. Bladestorm is in the if its close to coming off cd hold otherwise full send department.
As far as I know there has been a request to add avatar to the apex to prevent desyncing but if blizzard will do that is another question

thorn stream
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Demolish ?

fresh spire
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Demolish you hold for Cs u less Cs has a long cd also

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Stacking cds for demolish. Unless you run the 4/4 apex (worse overall) where you send demolish on cd regardless of Cs as line ups are just worse overall

thorn stream
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that was my point

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i'd argue that is also a main sync issue at the moment

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unless its like that on purpose

bleak arrow
weak rain
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Ofc, for cleave spammin

bleak arrow
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Hmm… time to dust off an old macro

/castsequence reset=1 colossus smash, null
/cast ravager

fresh spire
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Hold for Cs. Then make sure to spam cleave even on St during ravager if ms on cd

silk spade
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@fresh spire how does arms feel to play outside of sus balancing

fresh spire
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I honestly like it

bleak arrow
fresh spire
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Rage is a bit annoying

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But button flow I think is better having no more roar

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We can get burst off a little faster with demolish doing more upfront and less from stacks too

bleak arrow
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That’s one thing that I’m having a weird time from fury, fury everything is a generator and arms everything seems to use rage for some reason

fresh spire
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Fury just feels out of place for me currently. Odyns being back bt being better than rb but bloodbath being worse than crushing blow is just whuh.
Rb is like 8th place in prio as its so bad now with bt latest tuning
Clap and blast damage is a mess

stable fiber
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Who could have guessed that when you always have buttons to push a spec feels better to play in general

fresh spire
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Also rend in fury is soooooooo bruh

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People left arms as they hate rend snd it followed them

silk spade
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I wish OF applied a longer rend or smth

bleak arrow
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Arms are millennials confirmed killing rendless fury

fresh spire
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It just feels out of place when you compare it to the support it actually gets from the spec tree

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Arms gets like 4 talents that interact with bleeds fury has 1?

stable fiber
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Agreed

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They seem to be pushing it heavy this season though when fury has only ever pushed rend 1 time in the history of wow though I believe

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Not sure where this sudden motivation for a button fury has almost never pushed has come from

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No support for the talent, it just exists, no easy way to apply it in ST

thorn stream
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I think they only had Thane in mind at first. And then realized oops.

stable fiber
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I mean that's likely

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Since that version of fury has built in support for rend, but then outside of it it's noting

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Like pushing 0 charge arcane barrages

thorn stream
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Agreed

still fox
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So what's currently the best option for us in Mythic+? Slayer? I know it's a disaster overall.

gleaming imp
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Atp its so bad that idk if theres a best option just whichever one you like more

slender sonnet
still fox
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no only warri

gleaming imp
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Rerolling fury

olive nest
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Even prots mildly upset so we’re just cooked

slender sonnet
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Its just so joever for warr

thorn stream
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what are prots upset with ? didnt read much on that front atm

olive nest
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Less shield slams per minute surely monkahmm

gentle gyro
weak wave
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Slayer is okay 🤪

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still fox
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whatis this 1 pull ? here i see @ end 250k -300k

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and as fury 200k around

bleak arrow
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Nerf arms

gleaming imp
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Yes full gear arms shouldn't do more than 60k aoe

slender sonnet
rough otter
thick hamlet
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does this breakdown look right to you

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live slayer arms

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in priory

olive nest
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More cleave more cleave raahhh

weak wave
bleak arrow
fallen elbow
bleak arrow
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If Cleave is the bigger skill why does it not simply eat the smaller skills

naive sage
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Delete cleave

bleak arrow
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Delete slam

stable fiber
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preach is a arms warrior on the warcraft livestream

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= arms buff inc

wide apex
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+1 psych ward population

slender sonnet
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grippy sock vacation time

boreal quartz
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mop remix onwards only huh

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slender sonnet
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yup

olive nest
slender sonnet
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you showed me the light

chilly hearth
# thick hamlet

Just ooc
How much dps overall did you pull?
Whats the itlvl, stats and plus level?

Thanks in advance

fallen elbow
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Just hop he sees your msg

thick hamlet
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first dungeon for prepatch so i'm clueless on what skills to prioritize yet or how bad/good the dps is

minor gust
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Wowhead priority is updated

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You can look at that for priority.

last saddle
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im looking at it, here is our prepull rotation, should do this 10 seconds before pull:

  1. press N
  2. select the Fury specialization
  3. equip a second two-hander
olive nest
minor gust
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Only if you are mentally weak

chilly hearth
chilly hearth
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Keep It up bois

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Thought i was doing well with my 40/50k overall

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vital zinc
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better nerf demolish some more

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minor gust
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Only cleave can do aoe dmg this is the way Blizz intended.

bleak arrow
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I see nothing wrong in this picture.

vital zinc
bleak arrow
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Could use a couple buffs so we take cleave in ST raid build. Other than that it looks good.

daring heron
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nerf bleeds more

minor gust
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Cut to the bone nerfed to 5% today

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🙏

olive nest
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I think a cut to the bone would bleed a little

thick hamlet
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tuning patch tonight?

dire hinge
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🔮 unfortunately nobody knows

olive nest
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Yes at exactly 3:51

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Unknown time zone

thick kelp
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wishful thinking

thick hamlet
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buffs tonight then okayge

bleak arrow
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The nerfing will continue until morale improves

olive nest
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Warrior must be wimpy or else feels to threatening to wizard mains

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Sad times indeed

sharp dust
last saddle
olive nest
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Don’t threaten me with a good time!

spiral coral
last saddle
olive nest
last saddle
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so it pops up while reck is active to remind you

olive nest
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Weakaura feature

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Will be missed

spiral coral
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Missing the silly ones the most

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Saying random stuff when food is eaten/presented

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Raccoon dancing on screen for lust

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The sounds and boops and chachings

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rip WA

dire hinge
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you can do some of that still, just takes more effort now

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we have a Battle/Berserker/Dstance reminder addon already, for example

coarse ferry
last saddle
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the bruh addon is back

chilly hearth
minor gust
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Bruh

dim basalt
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bruh

spiral coral
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||bruh||

last saddle
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i feel bad when im watching critcakes stream and he checks skyhold and sees the useless bs we're typing 😔

spiral coral
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I get more sad seeing Max playing Fellowship over wow

last saddle
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we need to moan and groan about arms more, the devs ctr+f spec names for their KPIs

spiral coral
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No point. Most of us are over it/been through it before/have given up hope for Arms being a consistent pick.

slender sonnet
spiral coral
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There’s a new DH spec to balance who cars about warr

dim basalt
slender sonnet
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people still play warr? in the big 26?

dim basalt
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Arms is a niche spec atp

spiral coral
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Season 2 midnight Arms gonna crank. Then get nuked. Tww 2.0.

olive nest
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Crank in raid testing* then get nuked 🤣

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We won’t make it live good

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Not never

icy mulch
stoic palm
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guys don't worry we gona get buffed ( -10 over all damge)

olive nest
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Next balance pass cleave nerf bet

minor gust
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The cope from all the other nerfs was dmg breakdown adjustments, but they massively buff cleave in the same notes. Making a complete mess of our aoe breakdown.

olive nest
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Oh yeah it is omega juiced at the moment no denying it

chilly hearth
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The problem with arms numbers Is that MOST of our kit based on bonus damage %

Any Number slightly too High Sky Rockets US in the troposphere

minor gust
halcyon valve
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rope emoji thinking emoji if blizzard allows arms to go into the new season the way it is now

slender sonnet
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Gn doomers

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Tomorrow they announce 30% aura buff

halcyon valve
shadow ibex
rapid bronze
crude orchid
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Don't worry. In heroic week numbers will show arms in the bottom 3 DPS. Blizzard will give them a 3% aura buff.

This will do nothing to move their spot in the DPS rankings whatsoever going into mythic week. Despite the aura buff, after mythic week 1 arms will actually be even lower, causing them to issue another 8% aura buff going into week 2. This will bring arms back to where it was originally in heroic week, and after 2 more weeks, blizzard will issue them another 6% aura buff. Arms will sit solidly in the bottom 3rd for the remainder of the tier.

Then, come season 2, arms will somehow be busted - whether from tuning, talent changes/adjustments, and/or tier set bonuses. They will remain incredibly strong for week 1 of season 2 where they will instantly be neutered back to irrelevancy.

Season 3 will be a wash.

Enjoy my dudes.

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Arms is a pvp spec according to blizzard but it won't even be the best warrior pvp spec in any of the 3 seasons.

rapid bronze
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It’s pretty bad in PvP still lmao

spare tree
crude orchid
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❤️

spare tree
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whoever class designer is on arms is in here enjoying every minute of this

jovial hare
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I honestly don't think there's anyone giving actual concerted focus on arms, tbh

obsidian otter
gentle gyro
foggy quiver
gentle gyro
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fated season of DF, 2nd season of DF, 2nd season of TWW somewhat okay, rest was completely atrocious

spark mango
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warbreaker without in for the kill is so bad

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i use warbreaker and i am rage starved during execute

thorn stream
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the change to put it in the hero trees was kinda odd
i'd also prefer a return of in for the kill tied to CS

untold trench
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Got to remember that warrior got war in the name. They regret that. Arms also got arms in the name, double the war. So, got to suppress that so it isnt as threatening language

small carbon
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From a quick read in this channel, arms is getting the rope treatment again for midnight?
I wonder how fury is looking....

slender sonnet
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buff arms

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this time next week we'll be levelling 30% slower than everyone else cause our spec is dog

abstract cairn
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I just wanna bonk people with a single bigass 2-hander and not be a paladin 🙃

sacred zodiac
slender sonnet
austere solar
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"Why do you want to have arms ? Do you guys not have legs ?"

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Will be the next patch note devs comment

fresh spire
spiral coral
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Arms melee support spec when?

topaz python
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cleave in ST is better damage wise than slam sadge

slender sonnet
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i mean that's basically all we are atm right, support spec

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moral support

spiral coral
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Would be a perfect spec to practice it and implement it on

topaz python
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which arms stuff fury gets in particular?

vital zinc
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It's going to be a great day for arms right guys? Huge tuning that makes sense copium

thick hamlet
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like access to bladestorm and having execute be more and more relevant

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i don't mind the execute thing though since it's got a different flavor for fury, but bladestorm has definitely been more of a meaningful skill for fury than arms

shadow ibex
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Them both having BS isnt crazy it was a talent for both for about as long as it was exclusive to arms

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Fury being able to use rend is brand new tho pretty sure. 99% sure it never had access to it unless you can take it with classic talent trees

spiral coral
fresh spire
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Could use rend in classic as it was baseline

spiral coral
shadow ibex
shadow ibex
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I still dont think its possible for a spec to be a 2t leader and not also broken in ST unless they invert sweeping strikes

mental snow
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hello different people from the other channel that i accidentally typed in

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any recommendation for giga english speaking m+ arms streamers?

slender urchin
topaz python
teal fossil
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so you have to pick between 1 and the other

latent moss
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cook owns

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it doesnt turn us into <35% bots

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but keeps exe huge

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and makes us stronger under 35

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exe only usable with sd but sd proc rate is increased and scales with hp

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also completely eliminates a very big issue and thats exe rage cost

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huge cook i cant lie

teal fossil
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that does sound like a good cook

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also differentiates it from being "slam but better" in exectue

teal fossil
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but whatever

latent moss
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yeah thats been fake since df

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the only time i did that post sl was when i played tom in keys with blunt instruments

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to spend more rage

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that build was lowk tech

shadow ibex
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Replace slam with exe atp imo

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Unless exe is a super inefficient rage dump above exe range and only used when flooded

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Could see some skill expression w that

minor gust
# latent moss yeah thats been fake since df

Yeah season 3 of DF if you played the Jugg build in keys was the last time you had to care about that. Even in raid really hasn't been enough to care besides like 1 or 2 scenarios.

tacit crystal
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mugzee gladge

minor gust
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Me telling people not to hit the rocket add on Mugzee so I can cleave executes more

olive nest
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Can they bring back mugzee instead of salads

minor gust
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I think I liked saladbar way more than Mugzee

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Simply because I couldn't see the fucking mine circles for the life of me

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Shit was lightly colored and blended with all the melee doing shit and animations going off

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Also I did not like spending time in Mugzee cages

shadow ibex
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Just skip em all

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That fight was almost shit but we stopped the 40% hold

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And it was no longer shit

minor gust
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We didn't start doing it that way till way later in farm.

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Even doing it the lust on pull strat I much prefer saladbar.

shadow ibex
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We had a mini mutiny as dps

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Holding is so fuckin cringe

minor gust
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Yeah it was pain

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Fuckin hated it

sweet tangle
fading isle
sharp dust
gentle gyro
spiral coral
minor gust
slow saddle
slender sonnet
timid saffron
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i think i might reroll ret

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how many lashings do you guys think i deserve

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how long should my timeout be

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betraying my true self

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🎻

sharp dust
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If you reroll to another class do something your guild needs hopium

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(im playing warlock)

slender sonnet
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Mods beat him

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I'm not rerolling

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I'll be the only warrior

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More loot for me

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Give me full bis so I can be competitive with people in pre-raid gear

coarse ferry
lofty nimbus
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I'm just sitting on the bench

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Like a real man

jade ember
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omg guys new patch notes they fixed Arms

untold trench
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checks out

slender sonnet
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seems legit

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please tell me fury sucks aswell

minor gust
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first class to have two tanks specs

slender sonnet
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real

jade ember
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oh no

oak kite
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lmao , those patch notes reminds me of the silly talent trees we used to design back in classic till wotlk

icy mulch
icy mulch
sweet tangle
cobalt sinew
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what kind of grudge do you think the warrior dev has against arms

fresh spire
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the person who beat them up in pvp was also the highschool bully

timid saffron
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are we sure that heroic strike isn't secret korean sleeper op

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or is it actually bad

minor gust
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heroic strike isnt bad

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just the 4th apex point

fallen elbow
timid saffron
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yea im confused isn't reduced cd on cs good?

brazen talon
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i heard great things are happening to you guys

timid saffron
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or is it bad cuz it makes timing bad

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cd timing*

minor gust
brazen talon
fallen elbow
minor gust
brazen talon
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battle shout gives +5% to all your melee friends

sudden topaz
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eh, if there's CD desync before getting apex 4, then who cares, id rather get to csmash faster then

obsidian otter
minor gust
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especially after the nerf to it

brazen talon
manic egret
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I like how just because of 1 video blizzard buffed mages survivability, cause they had it "worst"(ye, try to kill mage in pvp though), while whole community stating arms is f-tier

minor gust
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something something rich vs the poor

thorn stream
sudden topaz
minor gust
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depends what your playing but theres plenty of better options than 4th apex

sweet tangle
oak kite
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fifty percent buff all across coming people. copium

tidal current
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who's the dev in charge of arms? pushing this fuckin slam agenda

oak kite
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he must have played two handed slam fury back in classic. timing slam at the end of those white hits.
brooooo just give us big ms big execute

tidal current
rapid bronze
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why are we assuming it's a he

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tbf the extent of the mess in this war crime of a spec could only have been designed by a man but still

paper umbra
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hi fellas, thinking about rerolling from outlaw into arms, how has it been lately?

jade ember
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we aint doin too hot rn tbh

minor gust
paper umbra
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lol

minor gust
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currently worst spec in the game by a mile

paper umbra
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fury it is

minor gust
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so have fun with us

coarse ferry
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I hate that at the start of prepactch arms was prob the best it coulda been only for Bliz to be like "Wow you guys are having fun lets change that"

oak kite
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i believe people coming here saying like hey guys i am thinking about rerolling from x to arms are legit trolling us. salt to the injury.

tight wing
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Hey guys, I'm thinking about playing Arms (instead of MW/Unholy), but not with the "Best" talent set because I feel like people aren't exploring their options

sharp dust
spark mango
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Am i wrong to think that fury and arms slayer are the same spec, but fury is better on meters?

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overpower=bloodthirst rampage=mortal strike sudden death=sudden death . bladestorm=bladestorm arms avatar=fury enrage

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i think the only thing setting them apart in raid at least was juggernaut for arms, now they feel so similar

tight wing
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does fury even take Bladestorm for slayer?

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the build on Archon takes avatar instead so does Wowhead and Icy veins lol

rare kite
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as far as i'm concerned prepatch is irrelevant

tight wing
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ohhh that makes more sense I was sitting here like "Why take slayer if you don't have bladestorm? doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose?"

slow saddle
gentle gyro
slow saddle
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I mean fr this is insane

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We are like miiiiles behind

untold trench
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Nah, you are above tanks

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Stop complaining already

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Someone got to be the bottom DPS

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Now it is arms

gentle gyro
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Yeah, stop complaining

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Stop noticing

slow saddle
hollow wave
blissful tinsel
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welp at least I'll look cool as hell at the bottom of the damage meters, managed to get the coat mog before they patched it

image.png image.png
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gunna change my char name to Snesleywipes

halcyon valve
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who cares about dps when you can aura farm

blissful tinsel
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Fr

dim basalt
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Mogmaxxing

rough otter
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aura + ego

thick hamlet
olive nest
zinc wolf
fresh spire
olive nest
rapid bronze
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My guild turned the armless arms warrior gif into an emoji on our discord in solidarity

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#jesuisarms

slender sonnet
sharp dust
spark mango
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guys

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dont you think its unfair as warrior after nighthold with that guldan trinket we have never felt super strong

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just 1 patch where we dominate at least in one aspect

slender sonnet
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I am no longer allowed to have an opinion on warrior

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i'll be quiet now, sorry chat

spark mango
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i should go over to fury channel with these results

slender sonnet
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yup

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also wtf

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how can you do so many keys

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who hurt you

spark mango
slender sonnet
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If I do more than like 150 keys in a season I hurt

spark mango
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without mythic + wow has nothing to offer me, i mean i get the pvp set every season for mog purposes but raid is 2 days a week

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rest i play m+

slender sonnet
#

Oh fair

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I just dont play wow

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Outside of raid

spark mango
#

yeah wow is like 95% of what i play

slender sonnet
#

It used to be but

spark mango
#

i wouldnt even hate the idea of repeatable raid that gets harder like m+,

slender sonnet
#

I've got a job that keeps me busy, I'm starting to date someone new, I've got friends I hang out with, I ain't got time for 1000 keys a season lmao

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Tbf I never did that many keys

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the last time I played wow as my main 95% of the time game was wod

spark mango
slender sonnet
#

damn

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Sorry homie

spark mango
#

now i sleep sad because of you. me and all my m+ skill. which wasnt much to begin with

slender sonnet
#

🙁

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atleast you'll sleep

#

I have insomnia

spark mango
#

broken glass half full

uneven zenith
#

I'm just looking forward to yelling, and hitting heroic strike.

obsidian otter
uneven zenith
spiral coral
slender sonnet
lethal acorn
sharp dust
#

We found him, John Arms

latent moss
blissful tinsel
gentle gyro
#

Wtf is connectedness

shadow ibex
#

% of your playtime you remained in melee range

slender sonnet
#

I aspire to be you

abstract cairn
#

Bonking hard for 535 runs!

lethal acorn
#

It was only colossus too, in all content

lethal acorn
jolly lily
#

i dont think ive ever seen arms this low in a tier list 😄
50% aura buff+last min rework coming for sure

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minor gust
#

you are getting 5% and thats it

jolly lily
latent moss
thick hamlet
jolly lily
spiral coral
#

Fire mage being higher at funneling then arcane lol. I hate tier lists so much. Straight up just, wrong on a lot of fronts.

severe crag
#

But yea I'm also not a huge fan of these lists. Ret paladin is surely closer to like 7.5 or higher for AOE. The few runs I ran with the, they were bursting pretty hard. Its all BS lol

fair tinsel
#

It's a good thing they tackled arms now, i'm sure they would have been out of control in all those meta physical comps that ran rampant from legion til now.

obsidian otter
proud iron
nova marsh
#

You aren't playing arms because we have poo poo damage. I'm not playing arms cuz our design is ass. We are not the same

sudden topaz
#

Is there a list of bugs somewhere?

bleak arrow
tight wing
#

so Why is slayer not used for AoE?

rare kite
tight wing
#

thats fair xD

dire hinge
#

you can still play it by all means, but yeah Demo+Cleave is huge bursts

sand totem
#

Hey lads, been looking online if there's a rough numerical number difference between fury n arms. Like is fury 10-20% better or if its like... double. All I can find are tierlists, was just hoping to see an actual number if one exists

tight wing
sand totem
tight wing
#

take it with a grain of salt though, only 21 regular arms testers xD

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np

gentle gyro
#

Paying 90 Euro to test a game

spark mango
#

i played all 4 specs of dps warrior on prepatch ( i know prepatch doesnt count). but class design i think slayer fury is perfect regardless of damage

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for me its slayer fury> slayer arms=thane> colossus

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Colossus just feels bad, anything i press other than cleave feels disgusting

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i rather tank pulls mobs on boss so i can spam cleave the boss aswell for collateral and fervor of battle

stable fiber
#

i remember when demolish did real damage

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yk wasnt actually that long ago!

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arms on stix was so much fun

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now demolish is in the spot slam is lmao

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slayer for both specs has gotten all the love, thane fury a little, what they have done to colossus is pretty gross though

#

stix was like the worst arms boss too

spark mango
#

even if they fix the damage by just giving aura damage i wont like it, its not fun to play anymore

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15 priory practice run, we wiped two times tho

image.png
#

Its slayer

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i play arms very very high haste tho, i am less rage starved like this

slender sonnet
spark mango
#

petko

slender sonnet
#

Oh him

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yikes

slow saddle
slender sonnet
#

Im just looking forward to turning off my dps meter and having fun tbh

cobalt lodge
#

so how shit is arms warrior now?

gentle gyro
#

Yeah even the shit damage does not matter

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The gameplay is just shit

plush wharf
slow saddle
spark mango
#

maybe arms has gone to anger therapy. there is simply not enough rage

gaunt owl
#

ok this is toptier shitposting

slender sonnet
#

chatgpt tho

plush wharf
verbal jacinth
#

On ST in dungeons do you always wait for demolish and colossus smash to line up?

topaz python
slow saddle
#

I was about 2 say u cry

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And no u just send shit, the st is shit.

full furnace
#

ideally you want them to line up but its better to delay demolish than delay colossus smash

slow saddle
#

But dont delay 2 much🤣👌

fickle oar
#

is deep wounds meant to show up on the new nameplates? because I'm not seeing it ever

wide apex
#

blizzard offers some filters. one of them is hiding it

fickle oar
#

my enemy NPC buffs/debuffs are set to "Personal Debuffs"

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other options are "Shared CC" and "Mob Buffs" and neither of those logically make sense for deep wounds

verbal jacinth
gentle gyro
bleak arrow
#

the truth cant be bullying

gentle gyro
#

I thought this was cope chat

#

Not the truth chat

bleak arrow
#

its a retirement home, because anyone still on arms isn't playing the same game as the rest of the dps

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bunch of old men talking about back in my day mortal strike hit hard, we used to be an execute spec, okay grandma, lets get you inside

slender sonnet
#

Hey I object to the men part

bleak arrow
#

i used both

slender sonnet
#

i said what I said

uneven zenith
icy mulch
quiet bramble
#

Why does Arms not spec into Thunderclap? istn that a nobrainer? i dont understand why guides dont suggest it

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forget my question, rend is an aoe now :D

fresh spire
#

rend is aoe

#

ye

minor gust
mortal rivet
#

dumb question, if you don't have Cleave, what is the prio of whirlwind in AOE? Looking at the raid aoe build that doesn't take cleave

minor gust
#

I'll have to look at the dmg tooltips but 9.9/10 times it's just gonna be a slam replacement.

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Even then WW can't proc HS so might be better to just take WW off the bars. If adds are spawning in raid you will want a BS lined up for it. If you can't then your just letting SS DN carry.

kindred breach
chilly wind
#

do you guys think there is still hope for arms? hearing only bad things about arms and petko even made an own "dog" tier for arms. where is our rework? 🙁

untold trench
#

Yes, there is plenty. Just wait for raid tuning to be done

minor gust
untold trench
spark mango
#

i mean in the last season of tww the damage of colossus was very good in dungeons and from any diffrent sources

#

very nice bleed damage, mortal strike after demolish being used in aoe by unhinged and just demolish staying true to it's name

minor gust
#

it aint TWW anymore buddy

dull karma
sage bison
#

@late crest

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minor gust
icy mulch
coarse ferry
shrewd crow
#

so arms newbie can u play slayer and is it good or way way worse than colossus

last saddle
#

better

shrewd crow
#

slayer is better than colossus ? also in m+?

dire hinge
#

Slayer is better for raid, but definitely playable in M+ still

#

Colossus will be better in full AoE (which is most of M+)

#

but if you're trying to learn, don't overload yourself, slayer will do perfectly fine

slow saddle
shrewd crow
slow saddle
#

Tell him samw

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Play fury

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2 better tuned hero specs. Lives more shit

#

Better dmg profile from st to aoe

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Unless arms gets some omega changes

#

I dont c arms being a choicr

fossil bear
#

ohh great another spec thats gona be dogwater that i would have wanted to play, welp time to skip midnight i guess

sacred zodiac
fossil bear
#

perf

sacred zodiac
#

balancing is not done until mythic is released ya

gusty nymph
#

let s keep moving the goal post...

sacred zodiac
#

do you know what that means

fossil bear
#

i mean its still not great to get to 90, wait for 2 weeks for season to start and then get slapped in the face with a horsecock

daring flicker
#

spongie gatekeeping again

sacred zodiac
daring flicker
#

ansurek fury incident

#

arms will get nerfed

latent moss
#

on god

gusty nymph
#

There are always gatekeepers telling you how great it is. You just dont realize it 🤪

sacred zodiac
#

who is

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can you point them out

slender sonnet
#

Wait so it's gatekeeping to say I enjoy arms play style atm

silk spade
#

dooming about balance before release is so dented

magic canopy
#

Godspeed anyone in this channel may heroic week save your lives

fresh spire
minor gust
#

arms heroic week logs gonna go hard

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I will be one of them

full furnace
#

flashbacks to the heroic ansurek week :
-Keep odyns fury for the webs
-I'm arms
-You have been removed from the group

silk spade
#

I remember heroic ansurek week very fondly

final dove
#

Mental health check on you guys

slender sonnet
minor gust
uneven zenith
#

I don't know enough to be stressed. So I'm blissed out

boreal remnant
uneven zenith
#

I'm leaning toward warrior because I don't think I can handle another queen ansurek season as a priest.

summer quartz
#

Midnight is gonna be lit, yo.

gentle gyro
#

🥀

sweet tangle
gentle gyro
#

Can't wait

#

Everything is going to be fine, because YouTubers told me so

rare kite
gentle gyro
#

We should stop crying, balance will be fine, Blizzard big good

stable fiber
#

its not guranteed to be fine

#

but its probably guranteed to get better

#

so thats a plus

gentle gyro
#

Only way is up

#

This is just as bad as fury in cata

#

Literally

stable fiber
#

fury in cata was worse haha

#

only become comparable when you got a 2nd gurthalak

#

and even then it was ass

#

i tried my hardest to make it work and it just couldnt work

#

lol...

#

but with the community tier lists coming out and a bit of backlash after the last nerf i dont expect arms to stay in the same spot in the coming weeks

gentle gyro
#

I really don't want to be that guy

#

But it IS that bad

stable fiber
#

nah noting can be as bad as fury in cata was

#

i promise you

gentle gyro
#

Arms in wrath pve?

stable fiber
#

wrath was a different time

gentle gyro
stable fiber
#

cata though ARMS became the good spec when it was thought of as the pvp spec

gentle gyro
#

True

stable fiber
#

fury was just the worst spec in cata the entire time, you needed to get a mastery prepull set to even come CLOSE to anything that arms did

#

a mastery prepull set consisting of cloth, leather, mail and plate gear

#

pvp trinkets

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and you STILL did less damage then a arms warrior

gentle gyro
#

I mean it was one of the best specs in the game

#

I feel like we are still paying the price for Cata, MoP and Legion

stable fiber
#

in the last phase is when fury became playable but it was also the worst tier for arms afaik

#

also i played arms in pve during wrath

gentle gyro
#

A love hate relationship

stable fiber
#

even with smourne it was trash

gentle gyro
#

Taste for Blood proc

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Execute does literally no damage past a certain point due to a shit formula

#

MS and deep wounds was all you had

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With fury it was just 123 123

#

Just be lucky with Bloodsurge procs

stable fiber
#

ehh i thought wrath arms was alright

#

slam overpower ms bladestorm with trinkets

#

sudden death

#

it just did no damage

#

i mean you went from tbc arms which did pretty good damage although overshadowed by fury -> wrath arms where you just did no damage

gentle gyro
stable fiber
#

execute formula

#

yeah

#

was gonna say

gentle gyro
#

Execute was insane during leveling, naxx, ulduar even

stable fiber
#

it had fallen off in ulduar

gentle gyro
#

At a certain point, your weapon damage based abilities did more, while Execute has high base damage + shit 0.2*ap scaling

stable fiber
#

wasnt it rage in wrath

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it was like rage consumed x 3 or 5

#

w/e it was it was bad and had 0 scaling at all with gear

gentle gyro
#

1456+0.2 x AP+15 x 38

stable fiber
#

0.2 ap

#

crazy

#

maybe im thinking of tbc with the rage consumption

gentle gyro
#

570 bonus damage if you had full rage

#

Actually dog ass ability

#

Sure you had metasocket 1.03% multiplier and impale crit multiplier, but it didn't help arms

#

All you needed was Armor pen and a good, slow Axe

echo shard
#

execute has been bad or barely worth hitting so many times in wow history it's frustrating. Last time I remember ultra chunky executes was WoD, those things trucked

cobalt lodge
#

Is it over for us arms boys or is there some light somewhere

minor gust
#

Gamble on the heroic week tuning to gives us minimum 40% aura buff

#

Better odds for winning the lottery.

jade cargo
#

are u getting nostalgic here?

#

@crimson charm hey do Svenska Manki

atomic mountain
#

hey guys. how worth is playing arms in midnigt?

jade cargo
#

Arms >>>> everything else

#

without me ppl forgot this

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poor channel

thick kelp
#

todu come back

atomic mountain
#

XD i think the same but every list is telling that we suck like babys on tiddis

jade cargo
thick kelp
#

etagg

jade cargo
#

am a D4 slave now only - cos i can off anytime there

atomic mountain
jade cargo
#

@gloomy summit hello there 2 u 2

gloomy summit
#

wow

thick kelp
jade cargo
#

in d4 i can offline without any harm

atomic mountain
atomic mountain
atomic mountain
jade cargo
#

wifes are all the same - they call emergency for all kind of things

atomic mountain
#

mine is a gamer too so i can say "nope in dungeon" 😄

jade cargo
#

lucky bastard - mine is not...

atomic mountain
#

😄 XD

thick kelp
#

If you care about overall you play colossus

#

even if its clunky to play

atomic mountain
#

what is clunky compared to last season?

thick kelp
#

we just have no rage at all

atomic mountain
thick kelp
#

you will want to charge weave in ST

#

and some other silly things if we dont get any specific tuning

atomic mountain
#

wtf XD

thick kelp
#

like using cleave in ST during execute phase etc

atomic mountain
#

time to shut down the discord!!!!!!!!!

thick kelp
#

non

fresh spire
#

Pet battler as you raid ofc

sacred zodiac
#

todu sighting 2026

latent moss
#

legendary pull

sacred zodiac
#

like the day i looted my mythic ows

latent moss
#

the day i looted my mythic what is it called

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from the eye

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and the nine ring

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and jaithys

#

hc ows tho gg

latent moss
hasty pumice
#

If he was a fury enjoyer she'd say "yeah honey play all day it's fine"

fresh spire
#

I never got jaithys. In every kill our guild did on kt it never dropped once

#

Not even on hc

#

Same with gavel

#

Fated let me have both gladge

#

Gavel was so disgustingly strong for a purple. Yet fyrakk paled in comparison

latent moss
#

bro gavel was so bs

slow saddle
#

Gavel was life

#

U roll a 4 sided dice if lucky u get big st

jade cargo
#

@sacred zodiac hey danne manki - are u graduate

icy mulch
fresh spire
vale gorge
#

Can I have a reduction on my suscription ?

pure wren
#

Messed around with Slayer Arms in a key. So much fun in AoE. Tank damage in ST. /cry

fresh spire
olive nest
fresh spire
lunar hawk
fresh spire
gentle gyro
slender sonnet
bleak arrow
olive nest
dim basalt
smoky bough
floral ledge
dire hinge
#

bark bark

silk spade
lunar hawk
jade cargo
#

@icy mulchhello Canadian Soldier Girl

icy mulch
jade cargo
#

i am a married man now

#

allowed to play d4 only

icy mulch
#

That'll do it. keks

jade cargo
#

wow takes to much time and effort

icy mulch
#

And Warrior looks like a disappointment for yet another expac. So you're not missing much.

plush wharf
jade cargo
plush wharf
#

🥂

jade cargo
spiral coral
jade cargo
#

even have my own emoji

spiral coral
#

Don’t have to play much to be max level anymore

jade cargo
#

a present from Vil

dire hinge
#

❤️ Todu

icy mulch
plush wharf
#

weekly 10's and heroic 1 day clear is obv on the table for most people

plush wharf
spiral coral
#

They’ve narrowed the gap between the chronically online and the people that only play when they can.

plush wharf
#

you look like my old chess teacher(in the 90's), in that emote

spiral coral
#

Almost let my kid win at chess yesterday

#

almost

plush wharf
#

😂

spiral coral
#

Baited them and everything. Felt terrible. But, they’ll beat me eventually fairly.

#

Or just never play again 🤷‍♂️

plush wharf
spiral coral
#

Have the same memory with my grandfather:) I hope both of ours are resting well.

plush wharf
#

💯

spiral coral
#

What do Arms and our grandfathers have in common?

plush wharf
#

oh no no no

spiral coral
plush wharf
#

they had their glory days decaydes ago?

spiral coral
#

Yes 😂

#

I have a picture of him in 50s Bel Air with a giant cowboy hat riding with.. def not my grandma, and it’s such a bad ass pic lmao

#

no shirt no seatbelt not givin’ a fuck with a beer in his hand

plush wharf
#

🔥

spark mango
#

i myself am againts this system but most people like it so

spiral coral
#

I mean, it’s just less of time investment to get max gear and bis items

#

I don’t know if the actual “effort” or skill has gone up or down. But even people who mythic raid and do m+ don’t end up with that much of a gap to people that only run heroic/m+. Which is kinda, fucked imo.

#

The mythic raid player count going down year over year is because there’s less incentive/chance of gear that’s actually worth it and I believe that’s a bigger issue then the actual skill it takes or time it takes to do it

#

And then time gates, everywhere

spark mango
#

yeah but also take in consideration that if you've done 8 keys and done your raid times ( 2 times per week usually) with your guild, there is no incentive to play

spiral coral
#

There’s bis items for m+, so that’s an incentive and they’re more obtainable/farmable

spark mango
#

i think something like legion artfiact power is decent idea, i think if you play everyday there should be visible diffrence, if you do like 4% more dps if you play everyday it wont break the game

wide apex
#

disgusting

gentle gyro
bleak arrow
livid cloak
#

Some people play for fun

spark mango
#

i am all for fun but hear me out. they are taking the depth out of classes and making gearing much easier. this season for example there was no mandatory gear from last 2 bosses for most classes also

#

so someone's alt can have your exact gear and do close to you in damage because there is really nothing to it

latent moss
#

personally idc about gear. if it makes more people play sure go for it

#

but im very much against the dumbing down of classes

#

isnt that the point of the game? for everyone who is not just doing housing or transmog farming

#

the gameplay is what separates wow from other games for me

livid cloak
spark mango
#

but why would they play more, when you cap your crest and get your vault slots you can just not log in anymore. doing 5132312132 keys a week is same as doing 8

latent moss
#

cause u enjoy playing m+

#

or u can just rip random bgs

spark mango
#

well thats diffrence of opinion. as i said its my personal opinion that if you spend more time in an mmo it should be tangible. even by a small margine

#

say you're a 170 ret. i'm a 170 fury. and you have a 169 fury alt that you only got vault on. is it really unfair if i have 4 or 5% more damage than you due to it being my main?

#

classes are being dumbed down and you're main that you spend a lot of time on is losing meaning. thats how i see it

minor gust
spark mango
#

no entierly true. gear has never been like this. been playing this game for a long time, before transmog the gear you had would mean insta recognition. some items were legit bonkers and stats did matter a lot. unlike now that the gap between worst and best simming stats is roughly 5%

#

i know the game has become fast paced and people are zooming and dont want to grind for items till last day but, if i get a weekly on my second warrior every week and not play it. after turbo boost i can cap it on gilded and craft the pieces that i havent gotten from vault for measly 3 ilvl less. use the discount from my main to even need less gilded and i have two identical characters

#

i can also take it to reclear with my guild and buy bis items with dinar

#

my friend did this on his warlock this season and because of gilded discount it ended up having more gear than his main that was a mage before crest cap being removed

minor gust
#

None of this has to do with my comment?

#

Is it faster to gear these days? Yeah but how we gain power has not changed at all. Wow ain't about being able to play everyday and having a meaningful power gain over those who don't.

spiral coral
#

Yeah I think it’s really cool that people can (not being sarcastic) can barely play (just do delves some m+/norm raids) normally and even with one button, and still be up to par with most.

#

Really kills a lot, if any gate keeping. Most can generally do all content while having a 40 hour work week/family.

minor gust
#

They tried the grind for power before and quickly moved away from it because most of the player base got sick of it.

spark mango
#

they can make it less impactful but still include it. the bar is very low right now. if people are fine with dinar max gear being restriced to boss kill ( reward matching effort), they can be fine with people playing 10 times more than them having a very small edge due to time spent.

minor gust
#

The reason they can never do that is because a lot of the wow player base is mentally Ill and if they see there's an infinite grind for a 1% gain they are gonna feel obligated to do it. Then that mentality trickles down to the more casual player base and a few months later you're gonna have mass amounts of complaints about it.

spark mango
#

maybe you're right my friend.

minor gust
#

I get the feeling you are looking for tho I do.

spark mango
#

i believe if they Ran Legion right now. retail couldnt keep up. because with much more depth of class design and mythic + ready it would steal players from retail permanently unlike current classics

minor gust
#

You can usually scratch those itches in a lot of the eastern mmos

spark mango
#

much like the situation between Cs go and cs 2 if you familiar

olive nest
#

Oh yeah I’d bet a legit legion rerun would take a boat load of retail players for the length of it

#

Hard to say a lot of times it’s “I’ve already done that”

minor gust
#

Yeah class depth and design is a different topic than power gain. Totally agree with you there. If legion classic came out it would be massively popular not because of the AP grind but because the class design and gameplay was generally so much more fun

#

Legion Hpal was my baby so much fun

olive nest
#

Class design alone would be massive yeah

spiral coral
#

Class design teams too busy designing houses atm

spark mango
#

this season my friend who is a raid booster kep getting weekly on his warrior alt. i taught him basic slayer mechanics and gave him the sudden death weak aura. he was doing as much as me on my main. he had arakara and scream on mythic, i had first boss trinket and antenna. he was simming even more by playing that char 1/10 of me

#

my point with mains losing meaning is this

oblique oar
#

that shit op

spark mango
#

Retail right now feels like going to a private server and pay for gear

bleak arrow
spiral coral
#

Should’ve just unsubbed for a month and be happy till midnight

spark mango
#

there is truth to that, but i'm still againts turbo boost and all that

latent moss
#

farmed wrathion rep

#

for that vers cloak

#

that got replaced by m0 cloaks

#

wow players are just unemployed thats all

rare kite
#

people in my guild farmed that shit, we are rank 1k lmao. if people can farm for power they will

minor gust
# spark mango this season my friend who is a raid booster kep getting weekly on his warrior al...

Ah I get it basically you want some sort of infinite grind to help differentiate between someone who only plays their main vs someone who just recently swapped or just casually playing an alt. Tbh idk how they get this back. Also idk if they should. A lot of people these days absolutely love being able to play multiple characters at the same level. This mindset has grown so big it's leaking into classic with the TBC servers being alt friendly with account wide attunements and heroic keys being account wide.

latent moss
#

i fw that

#

i gain nothing from it usually but i occasionally play rogue and its nice for sure

spark mango
minor gust
#

Yeah I 100% get it. I just don't know if we ever go down that direction again.

latent moss
#

well

#

any rwf warrior would gap all of us with the exact same gear

minor gust
latent moss
#

(i got gapped multiple times)

spark mango
minor gust
#

Skill still very much matters. It's just as classes get easier that skill goes to other places of the game.

latent moss
#

the skill isnt in the class its in the fundamentals

minor gust
#

Yeah

latent moss
#

they move better they keep uptime better etc

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or they leap on opener like tmy

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axaxaxax

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They play the fights better

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i went to my ret and almost puked how much easy it was. you simply cant fuck your rotation up no matter how much you tried

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anything you press works

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i mean

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ret is designed for that

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its the dad spec

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10x ur pulls at the very least

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splits and shit

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Idk I remember that Chinese guild with like 1k pulls on Tswift

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by the time u are progging it theyve been on farm for a couple weeks

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on multiple charsa

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not long ago i think in Df, as arms if you didnt play your double bladestorm and hurricane buff perfectly in dungeons, you wouldnt do any single target damage. classes took some learning to do unlike now

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double bs did no st damage anyway

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like it was actually troll to play in higher keys

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it was hurricane vehicle

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on crawth i believe its called

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the bird boss in aa

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that boss had to die asap

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it just oneshots the group and the tank after a cycles of the bobms and the aoe

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aside from first boss academy was such a fury dungeon

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i mean first boss area

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our survivability as arms was so ass back then

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warlords arms owned

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it did st and aoe

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also the fact that ure among the first on the boss

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u get to farm 100s early on heroic

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and mythic kinda but u prolly gonna private mythic anyway

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from my experience not privating mythic can have devastating consequences on prog

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people refusing to do mechanics for parses

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and they parsing blue anyway

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axaxaxax

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at some points in season 3 df in high keys on arms i was using fyrakk tank trinket

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i dont think myrt ran defensive trinkets in high keys as arms

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i think he ran the vers one from brh

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but that shit simmed mega high anyway

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it was practically bis on aoe

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im dead on kill pull

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0 deaths due to misplay then die on kill pull

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or the kill pull is insanely scuffed

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this season i mained fury and i was not able to do priory

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i did it as arms

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but lowk dont give a fuck as long as the boss is dead

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18

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after that change to slayer fury, almost everything else become redundant

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i mean even without the change

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from mine and lincs experience slayer was better

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