arms

[icy mulch]

I think that's the worst part of this. No one in this Discord is shocked at all.

[north forge]

arms warrior has been the red headed step son for years. just beatings and lack of love from daddy blizzard

[icy mulch]

Madox prolly hit the nail on the head with his last video. They'll finish adjusting the dps distribution of our abilities, see how dog shit we are and slap a 3% aura band-aid on it. Then forgot about Arms for 2 seasons to just suck.

[icy mulch]

Nah, pretty much a thing every expansion.

[spiral coral]

guess I’m not resubbing

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-you-guys-eric-cartman-south-park-s16e7-cartman-finds-love-gif-23122386

[pallid viper]

why tho? number-wise tuning will happen throughout the whole first month after release

also slayer is fine?

[bleak arrow]

[dull karma]

From the DK discord server

[weary laurel]

literally came here to give my condolences to warrior bros

just sad

[smoky kayak]

not wrong tbh

[dull karma]

I’ve parked my Arms since TWW season 3 but I think I’m gonna believe in the next expansion and go full Arms

Where is Shirly when you need him… he made me believe

[weary laurel]

honestly devourer is probably safest thing to play

its the new thing

[dull karma]

Ew.

[weary laurel]

might be ew but still true

[boreal remnant]

safest thing to play is and always will be mage

[vestal smelt]

Lol, just lol

[boreal remnant]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

[slow saddle]

Even with that the dmg redistrubution sucks ass

[dusk geyser]

do they just vibe tune specs right now? i dont get it

[gusty nymph]

That damn jefff 🤣

[sick stratus]

wait they nerfed arms again? what the fuck are they talking about

[smoky kayak]

it's your fault, you were playing entirely too well and brought us all down

[jade jacinth]

Arms had 1 week, I cry.

[sick stratus]

I don't get it, how is it possible? I've never seen anything like this, every data, every log you see arms SUCKS, and they nerf it? What are they basing tuning on? It's not raids and m+ that's for sure

[vestal smelt]

There are a large amount of specs in this game where it is PAINFULLY obvious that the assigned dev has not actually played the spec they are designing outside of delves and herb collecting

My guess is that as good quality devs leave the company, the burden is shuffled onto another's shoulders who are also designing another spec or working on something else entirely

[forest dove]

You mean like a month ago?

[forest dove]

Shirly just posted a video like a day or two ago

[forest dove]

Yeah seriously… not even raging just actually curious what the hell their decisions are based on

[sick stratus]

AI generated patch notes theory looks more and more realistic

[vestal smelt]

This is not AI generated, which honestly makes it even worse. It means that someone at Blizzard is paid a salary to provide us with whatever this is

[smoky kayak]

I mean Demolish and bleeds are strong
are they so strong they really need a nerf? probably not, but there's nothing wrong with changes themselves. The question is simply why other stuff didn't change at the same time

I have to imagine its just more piecemeal shit

[dull karma]

I meant Season 2. I haven’t opted on it all Season 3

[dull karma]

Did he? Let me check it out. I miss the guy

[sick stratus]

they fucked it so bad that at this point even 100% all dmg increase will not save the spec lmao

[smoky kayak]

yeah that's not hyperbolic or anything

[reef glade]

idk saw a screenshot of a beta key where critcake did less than half of the other two dps’s dmg as arms

may be onto something

[forest dove]

Dude yesssss, I saw it and got instant serotonin hahaha, shirly’s my favorite

[vestal smelt]

They basically need a significant rework to a few different passives of the spec. Luckily they have plenty of time to do that /s

[reef glade]

they were over 200k and he was 90k lol

👏

[stone marsh]

To be fair they nerfed most other specs. I think the damage from players is too hight at the moment

[foggy quiver]

To be honest I believe they will aura buff us in some point but my biggest problem is that changes don’t make sense, it’s like we are playing different spec

[warped spade]

30% nerf to a spec doing 80% more damage is not a reason to nerf arms...

[foggy quiver]

Arms didn’t deserve nerfs tho

[stone marsh]

My reasoning is, that some specs have too much power in certain abilities and they are aiming to redistribute it, so nerfs in colossus and buffs in other parts. Why they did not buff the other parts right away? That's anyone's guess, but might see buffs in other areas hopefully soon

Again, my optimistic theory

Since right now it's prepatch and beta I guess they have time to piece these updates apart

RIght now performance doesn't matter, so just gotta wait and see if they will make up for it in other areas

[tacit crow]

Perception matters tho. People are looking at which class to play and right now if you are unsure Arms is a safe exclusion. Sure people should not pick based on tuning right now, but picking on dreams is not ideal either.

[grizzled falcon]

I wish Blizzard would write more about their rationale for changes. They do sometimes, but a lot of times it’s just a bunch of number tweaks with not a lot of clarity.

[smoky kayak]

that's definitely a part of it, people look at DK/Hunter/Lock and think that's where they should be, when really they're overperforming to an absurd degree

[smoky kayak]

that's exactly what they're doing, and they will eventually balance it out with a spec aura. It's just odd to see clearly mistuned things like Cleave or Bladestorm not be addressed at the same time

which is not to say they won't eventually - of course they will

[stone marsh]

Demo, Arcane and UH also got hit pretty hard, so should be somewhere more in line with the rest

[restive needle]

I rlly dont understand that nerf for Arms, I Hope blizzard change this to a buff man

[candid pecan]

man... yeah ok..

100% > 80% > 50% > 25% > 15%

just remove it, we wont play bleeds I guess

I was looking forward to play Colossus in m+ with arterial bleed, and high crit chance (to apply DW often in AOE with cleave)

but after the recent nerfs, fine blizzard, we will be a cleave bot.. if the targets are spread = gg

[shy roost]

Looks like it's been 😎 cut to the bone

[candid pecan]

[empty sluice]

it can still go to 5% 🙂

[candid pecan]

it definitely can

its fine though

once they figure out how they want the dmg breakdown to look, after that the 25% aura buff will be, dare I say LIT

[simple gull]

I'm sure it was already brought up and I'm beating a dead horse but what in the fuck are these fuck ass nerfs

[limber apex]

arms was too strong

according to blizz

[forest dove]

Yeah that’s the bummer here, they seem to be doing this with a few specs where they just nerf certain things to be unplayable. We start off with some level of choice which is what they claim they want, and then they squeeze it so hard until we’re left with the cookie cutter build that everyone will just play

[minor gust]

You will never know why Blizz does something. All you can do is

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[simple gull]

Can we just close the discord

[limber apex]

maybe they just really want more ppl playing fury for some reason

[boreal remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[halcyon valve]

More arms nerfs

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[lime perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1449127682502688861/1469310109829173332/dansi-3x.gif

[nocturne oxide]

Warrior still paying for the sins of Vanilla

[jolly lily]

how are we still getting nerfed..

is arms op in their eyes ahahahah

[limber apex]

we will get more nerfs

before release

[halcyon valve]

Arms op because we have a spell called op

[gentle gyro]

They just keep nerfing arms. Rocks in their head smh.

[daring heron]

blizzard tuned in when it looked like i was doing good aoe damage

had to be stopped

[gentle gyro]

Back to wotlk times. Arms for pvp only

[tawdry quail]

Yh honestly I was getting ready to play arms as a AOE Andy cos as long as I played well, atleast I didn’t do dogshit damage (unless in ST), but idk now

[halcyon valve]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-kick-no-stay-down-there-nope-gif-17913274

Arms

[untold pewter]

Please don't even suggest this pathetic ass move, we're not paladins

[halcyon valve]

True

[stoic palm]

i lovew this discord xd

[tawdry quail]

Paladins, not strong enough to be warriors so they need magic

[tawdry quail]

Fellow berserk enjoyer

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[stoic palm]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[boreal remnant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1392944663094362228/1393305032740573285/critcake-warrior.gif

[daring heron]

🙂

lmao

guildie made this

actually does the vid work cause i forwarded it from my guild discord

[gentle gyro]

Did they?

[final dove]

Hey, just checking in on the mental of everybody! you know here if you guys wanna talk...

[gentle gyro]

Sure, it's not great in Midnight, but at least more fun

[final dove]

Yeah i switched from warr to dk but its my split toon

[stoic palm]

no guys don't go dk they died already so they are losers (cope)

[boreal remnant]

they closed the paladin discord down while ret was bad

hey at least we're not the mage theorycrafter who sent a death threat to the mage dev

[stoic palm]

but look who is pumpin mages just sayin

[karmic trench]

coincidence?

[boreal remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[gentle gyro]

Blank Crashout

[fresh spire]

https://i.imgflip.com/977c65.gif

[dreamy sandal]

Bruh I just woke up to this, hate the new GPT model they are using

[sharp wyvern]

our apex talents must be increadibly strong for them to nerf us again

[thick kelp]

They are forcing us into talenting them by nerfing everything else

[sharp wyvern]

this is just one of the early steps of their master plan to making arms balanced

also it increases the likelyhood for aura buffs

[stable fiber]

what

[slender sonnet]

arms is gonna clear

[slow saddle]

This is utter insanity

[winter robin]

we will most likely get a huge buff at some point

[karmic trench]

Copium hit hard i see

[slow saddle]

Tbf what hasnt been nerfed

Exept cleave

We almost had an aura nerf🤣

[halcyon valve]

apex 4/4 increases dps by 500 morbillion percent

[slow saddle]

100%

Ive heard a rumor, deffo gettin a 100% dmg increase to hs

Then cd reduction of 2 seconds and 2% str on next cs per hs used

[gentle gyro]

morbin time

There is absolutely no way this ain't some sort of personal vendetta against arms

Otherwise they got that Stevie Wonder vision

[vast galleon]

warriors never get a buff, new patch = more nerfs ever since tbc. if there is a buff somehow it will be waaay to late when the season is over and nobody cares

[hexed parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/gbcruelworld-gif-19593937

[gentle gyro]

DF s4 when I already quit a long time ago

Back then the excuse was oh you got a legendary so we don care

[bleak arrow]

I don’t think it’s too surprising. We have a couple interesting interactions. First, the devs have stated they wish they didn’t name the game WARcraft because it’s too aggressive for a 2026 audience. Well, our namesake just doesn’t fly. What about WARlock? They are balanced by generally being referred to as LOCK and also utilizing the color purple, making them royalty and immune to accountability. Second, WARcraft is now under the Microsoft umbrella. A company heavily invested in AI. People keep talking about class devs and unusual changes. I believe the entire development process is being run by Copilot. This explains unusual changes and saying 1% every level is equal to 32%. Classic AI hallucinations. If we wanted better tuning we shouldn’t have been named WARrior because it’s a brand risk and copilot has concluded that means it should be pushed down. Our best way to combat these changes is to request to change the name WARrior to Peacekeeper or Guardian.

[vast galleon]

"joker" or "clown" would also be two good names to describe the warrior class

[bleak arrow]

Not inclusive and a risk. Between coulrophobia and the previous ticktok trend of joker face this isn’t a winning strategy.

[vast galleon]

haha true

[bleak arrow]

Vanguard or Champion could also work.

[gentle gyro]

Nice.

Impressive.

Lets see Paul Allens idea

[grim meteor]

what about arms? rip again? or?

[valid walrus]

Why they hate arms this much?! Why those nerfs?!

[vast galleon]

its important for blizzard that warrior never is to good. it doesnt matter if mages, locks, dk, dh, bm etc is too good. but warrior can never be "too" good. then its nerfs asap

[halcyon valve]

part of the class fantasy to be the inferior dps because youre not using any kind of magic

[hard cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-stop-hes-already-dead-kids-krusty-burger-gif-20458591

[icy mulch]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[bleak arrow]

war was pretty op for 2 days of classic tbc anniversary 2

[karmic trench]

And thats why its punished now

[sharp tendon]

Just close the discord maybe it helps warrior is alrdy dogshit en every fucking week we get nerfs fuck y blizzard

[vast galleon]

Warriors need to just stick to housing. A new "fun" way to play the game if ur a warrior

[winter robin]

So the idea is that warrior is something they wanna move away from becouse it has the word "war" in it, and that warcraft is also something they wanna change for the same reason?

So I quess a rogue that can go a speciality called "Assassination" which is just a killer for hire, and warlock that has "Demonology" that communicates with demons are A.O.K?

[weary laurel]

what did u bros do to Blizzard to deserve this

[full furnace]

an arms main cucked a blizzard dev circa 2019

[bleak arrow]

my house is pretty amazing

[bleak arrow]

its a joke because of the funny comment metzen said

[winter robin]

I'm at a loss for words 🤖

[gentle gyro]

Arms African funeral meme chain spam more relevant than ever

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

[dawn wasp]

Instead of closing the discord we should do a stream thing where groups of full arms warriors do m+ and donate money to amputee charities.

More nerfs make me angry. More angry = rage = more dps

but then also use that as a platform to tell blizzard to stop bullying us we're sensitive

[bleak arrow]

we should do a race, 3 arms warriors vs 5 tanks

[gusty nymph]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[dawn wasp]

the nerfs just make me work harder to embarrass the better specs

(but legit big mad)

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[dawn wasp]

I did a raid boost recently and topped the meters on DH council as colossus. one of the other boosters or boostees must have been a blizz dev and was bigger mad

okay I lied I was 2nd behind a hunter

[karmic trench]

As top of midnight scene like arms, unholy and arcane got nerfed. What spec gonna be best now for m+'s ?

[hallow panther]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[fallen pewter]

Finally a true warrior. A nice change from all the whiny little B’s in here. We’re warriors FFS. When they kick us, we kick back harder. Stop crying and pick up your big goddamned swords and soak them in blood! 🩸

[hollow wave]

1 week actually

[fair tinsel]

Yes, math and facts are whining.

[karmic trench]

Probly if you are smart enough to use math you should be mage not warrior XD

[fair tinsel]

idk if throwing uwu purple sparkles is my thing tbh

[icy mulch]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

[crisp crane]

crit also needs a coffin

[bleak arrow]

memes from sadness are the best

[fresh spire]

We lack the sad critcake video to save us

[granite swift]

This is great till you're getting ready for your 27th season of having to hit every single thing perfectly to overperform and end up somewhat "respectably" behind the heavy hitters

I'm getting old man, rather just coast for a bit

[dawn wasp]

Oh, no, I agree, I'm just trying to channel my anger about the nerfs

[bleak arrow]

you cant embarass the better specs, all you can do is perform really well to beat shitty players, but the thing is, they're shitty players, they dont care you beat them

[dawn wasp]

not much I can really do about the changes other than make stupid jokes

[dim basalt]

https://i.imgflip.com/977c65.gif

[bleak arrow]

shitty jokes are fine i just dont want you to be delusional that the green parser that beat your orange parse is somehow impressed or upset by your competence

[dawn wasp]

I'm fully aware.

[granite swift]

i feel you 🥲

[bleak arrow]

should find the strongest character that beats warrior with 1 button, and im not talking the single button assist, whatever class can press a single class skill and top an arms

[fresh spire]

https://i.imgflip.com/977c65.gif

[slow saddle]

My exact face when i read notes

[tawdry quail]

Are the patch notes from last night live on beta rn?

[fresh spire]

17th

[tall socket]

At this point i just wish blizz expanded dk or monk to Dracthyr so i can do dps and tank on another class...

[dim basalt]

Who the fuck willingly plays Dracthyr

Even female dwarfs and female trolls are absolutely beauties in comparison

[fringe prairie]

Apparently not you 👀 🤷‍♂️

[sacred zodiac]

wings are good

[bleak arrow]

mechagnome bis

extra defensive

and good xmog

[sacred zodiac]

if you think so

[spiral coral]

even Vulperas is better lol

Nose for trouble passive/bag of tricks both better

Also Anywhere Hearthstone

[sacred zodiac]

ya no

[spiral coral]

Hater

Scared of a fox

[sacred zodiac]

[spiral coral]

Vulpera bis

[sacred zodiac]

you can enjoy playing a race without gaslighting yourself about its racials being good

[spiral coral]

They are good

[sacred zodiac]

they really are not

[spiral coral]

that’s your opinion

[sacred zodiac]

it really is not

[whole shale]

Gotta rock the male human warrior fantasy

[slow saddle]

Fuck this class imma go play WARLOCK

In Diablo 2

Relaxe 😉

[spiral coral]

I play Orc

I just love the foxes

[bleak arrow]

cant cosplay guts as an orc

[spiral coral]

Such an amazing game

[slow saddle]

ngl imma pay full price now, just to get warlock in remasted

remastered, i cant get myself to play wow when warrior is this much in the shit

[slow saddle]

ngl i agree, also im SUPER curious WHERE do they want our dmg to come from ? coz atm they basicly NERFED every single dmg thing we have ?

[quiet hare]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaur-gif-19565864

[slow saddle]

DW nerfed - Execute NERFED - ms NERFED - op NERFED - Cleave buffed :: Talents :: Dreadnaught SHOT Mass execution NERFED :: ?_? like what spell is supposed to do dmg ?

Bleeds Nerfed ( the thing collosus could have had a more focus on =

[karmic trench]

You said that yourself xD

[slow saddle]

but in ST

it makes no sense for a spec thats bad in ST in M+ spec allready ^_^ to get Ground to dust this way 😄

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kat-kitty-kitten-evil-gif-10545349572153573100

https://i.imgflip.com/ak58lq.gif

[minor gust]

Lmao need an edit of this when you disappear from the screen the GTA or dark souls death text should pop up saying died of cringe

[fresh spire]

funny they nerfed mage right after your mage key too

can you keep logging in other specs on beta

[jade ember]

just me thinking maybe Midnight is the time to give Arms a real go

"oh Fury apex is boring let's mess with Arms"

[quiet hare]

meta isnt real anyway

[jade ember]

I've been loosely keeping up but haven't been playing beta is there any feeling the these nerfs were warranted in some way?

[thick kelp]

100%

[gaunt owl]

they really try to make you reroll

Arms is dead

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

[river ridge]

In the sense that if they give us a fat aura buff without touching spells individually, it's probably fine.

But until that fat aura buff comes in

[jade ember]

just gonna take a nap wake me up 3 weeks into the season after all the rebalancing memes are over

[wooden lava]

@minor gust how is arms now

Hahahaha

Bro what is going on

Was arms even performing on beta?

[minor gust]

Beta performance before the last round of nerfs yesterday

[rapid bronze]

Warrior, especially colossus, is the biggest class. We should just eat the other classes

[wooden lava]

Dude I'm crying laughing

I can't believe I had the urge to come back and play warrior

Just to see this in time

It's like that woman who missed her flight on 9/11

[wicked aurora]

The worst part is that I kinda wanna play warrior next season

[wooden lava]

Yeah bro go for it

People never believe me when I told them Castle Nathria was the single worst iteration of arms warrior to ever exist

This might be competing for the gold tho

[minor gust]

Not gonna stop play warrior. Still the most fun class

[wooden lava]

[jade ember]

idk there was that one time in DS where you had to dance to Battle Stance just to OP and then dance back to Berserker Stance

that was a bit of a meme

[wooden lava]

Yeah but did u ever prog sludge fist on arms warrior

Shit was like being tortured to death by rats

[latent moss]

/cast Battle Stance
/cast Overpower

/cast Berserker Stance
/cast Mortal Strike

w design

[fresh spire]

Don't forget charge and intervine too

[latent moss]

true

[fresh spire]

Stance dancing was such a mess

[bleak arrow]

i love when people talk about the good old days of stance dancing but all they did was setup a bunch of macros

[latent moss]

ultra gimmick

[fresh spire]

Get macros or be shit

[jade ember]

Ah the old Berserker Stance > Recklessness > Defensive Stance > Shield Block > Battle Stance > Charge > Shield Slam > oneshot squishy days of PvP

[minor gust]

I have a macro for everything on my tbc warrior

All start attack and stance dance macros

[misty sandal]

Did one of you piss off one of the devs?

[gaunt owl]

they just hate Arms that much actually

[weary laurel]

they just vibecoding

[gaunt owl]

hatecoding

[midnight kraken]

Arms is shaping up nicely

[spare tree]

https://klipy.com/gifs/princess-mostly-dead

[jade ember]

bro when we gonna get the pill tho

[unkempt wren]

I thought i missed it until playing classic

[keen oxide]

Can someone explain the upcoming changes for Arms Warrior. I thought we were already in the trashcan, I´m not seeing this nerfs lol

[shadow ibex]

arms warrior your bleeds too tough. your demolish too big your overpower too strong. they will kill you

[fresh spire]

in the trash? we are the trash

[fresh spire]

"nerf cleave too fuck it"

[lofty nimbus]

We are the lowest of the low. The hot dog water that leaked out of the bag and dribbled onto the floor just to be licked up and pissed out by the family retriever.

[icy mulch]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

[jade ember]

don't worry guys at least our free SS stacks from CS reset stacks instead of adding them

oh wait thats bad too

[gusty nymph]

that is QOL right there.... 🙂

[weary laurel]

guys it will be okay

dont worry

[warped spade]

I still think Cata ST arms was peak. Stance dancing and Cd's were a mess though

[bleak arrow]

i honestly have no clue, was a dk back then just getting started in the game, didnt even know my own spec let alone another class

[gentle gyro]

Stance dancing was atrocious

[obsidian otter]

they dont know what they wanna do with arms. even leveling soon as you hit level 10 fury whirlwind and slam cost no rage. arms it still cost 20 rage for whirlwind and 20 rage for slam.. Like the game doesnt even want you leveling as that spec lol

[gentle gyro]

Even wotlk arms was more viable

So you know it's bad

[bleak arrow]

im a baby DF warrior, havent been here long, and only ever did prot/fury, this was the first time i was like, maybe i should learn arms... now im all in, guts cosplay transmog setup, we cant go back, this is my life now, what a time to be alive

[warped spade]

I've said this before, The problem is current rage design was never meant to work without off gcd spender. And why arms resource has felt cosmetic or starved since WoD. It still works for prot cause they have of gcds and Fury was reworked entirely.

[obsidian otter]

fury has one dump Rampage they could do same to arms just take off rage from MS cleave and slam/HS make Execute our dump zero rage issues

even leveling as arms you charge press slam once or whirlwind once your out of rage and waiting where fury can just spam both of them. So even for new players they dont wanna play arms

Retail is a GCD combat now you should never not have something to spend/use per GCD compared to old school wow

[minor gust]

Critcakes fault for putting arms in 5 big booms in S2 of TWW

[gentle gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/costco-guys-five-big-booms-boom-gif-16319214973015367077

[vale gorge]

Why do they ut so much, we're alrerady so low in player count

[bleak arrow]

doesnt keep them from nerfing feral and sv generally

[native nexus]

Wake. See patch notes. More arms nerf? Rolls fury.

[vale gorge]

https://giphy.com/gifs/pass-validate-warrent-eoFJSruUWf7qq1zNHD

[spare goblet]

Sorry to all arms gamers. I guess I picked a good expansion to skip lol

[vale gorge]

Maybe it's a nerf only for the Pre-patch duration

https://giphy.com/gifs/hindu-bjp-laude-ko4UuHFAOZE3jN3qRB

[spare goblet]

Nah dude. This is a serious continuation of the treatment some specs have been getting for 3 or so years now.

This is how it is. Happening to a lot of other games right now too.

[bleak arrow]

balance is hard man you just dont get it

[spare goblet]

[bleak arrow]

nasa couldn't solve this issue, its not just some numerica problem its like... complex

when all data models fail, we're left just trying to do the best we can

[spare goblet]

Honestly I hope they do it again. Let's do a 3rd major nerf.

Let's go so far that it's unplayable.

Just to see how far we can go

[bleak arrow]

i mean, i would chuckle if arms got another nerf next week

[spare goblet]

Yea I mean better we get more and more so you can maybe expect the class to be playable in 2 months.

[night niche]

every nerf that arms warriors gets is another buff for ret paladins

[jade ember]

The real reason to be outraged

[night niche]

Im sure that some of the lead devs are ret mains but i just can't prove it

[minor gust]

All you can say for certain is none of them play or care about warrior

At most they log onto one to do a delve.

[night niche]

They probably only watch the logs were arms do moderate dmg and goes "Well we can't have that" and proceeds to nerf us

[plush compass]

Tuning is more about psychology than "make number equal other number". Tuning has become "oh shit better buff class x before they close their discord"

[sacred zodiac]

what are you on about

[past cedar]

Are we going to close disc too

[gusty nymph]

Never! We ll endure the abuse with dignity 🤪

[restive jay]

Damn this spec kinda sucks @tacit crystal

[tacit crystal]

blud i been saying that

[restive jay]

Why would they nerf it

Was it secretly op

[tacit crystal]

no

it has horrendous single target

[jade ember]

Crit was basically posting tank dam on bosses as Col Arms

Cleave massively carried his overall but it wasn't anything special

[agile igloo]

I noticed its all doom in here, but for a moment, besides outright buffing arms single target abilities by x%, has anyone stated what would actually fix arms? Or is it really just pls buff arms and that will solve all of its problems?

no dev notes is the triggering part for me

[spiral coral]

Arms imo is probably one of the hardest classes to properly balance

I don’t know shit, it’s just my speculation

[jade ember]

It does have the issue of it being too good at 2tar if its single target is too strong, but they could just adjust the amount of SS ig

The spec is definitely a mess rn tho

[spiral coral]

Bleeds/deep wounds/sweeping strikes/exec phase and other conditionals Arms has just seems like an absolute cluster fuck to balance

[restive jay]

~80% aura buff

Arms would be fixed

[jade ember]

Arms cleave isn't nearly as bad as its ST rn tho lol

Just have the aura buff only apply if you don't have Cleave talented 5head

[agile igloo]

what an interesting comment on crits video 😂

[misty sandal]

Then I guess the hour of doom is over.

Warrior is fine. We just have skill deficiencies.

[mental cedar]

there must be an ability in the book every single player is forgetting to put on their bars

but I can not be bothered to look in a book for a spell when I could zug instead

[agile igloo]

lol

[misty sandal]

Who needs pummel anyway?

[bleak arrow]

impossible to disprove too, because if crit is shit, and all players on warrior are shit, then crit would look like he has good parses because hes just the best turd, so really, we could never know, maybe this is true, all the big brain players clearly fotm reroll or play warlock, we're the leftbehinds... checkmate

[agile igloo]

indeed

[mental cedar]

We need Aaronsplace to come back to us and teach us the way

[bleak arrow]

i wonder who that person considers a good player, and if we could convince that good player to play a key as warrior, so we can get some real data

[agile igloo]

dude sounds like he plays shadow priest

or whatever spec required a few more brain cells before prepatch

[last saddle]

warrior must also have droolers writing the sim apls

bliz hired all the good warrior players and has them locked up testing the spec on closed betas, thats why they keep nerfing us 🙁

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/get-tf-out-get-out-zimba-lion-king-monkey-gif-1461417101263154936

[bleak arrow]

hey, could be, i see the level of audacity going into hunters optimizing an extra 50 lines of priorities to get out that 0.2% gain or DHs with 450 lines for some god damn reason with 12 openers hard coded... you may be on to something

(please understand this is satire)

[last saddle]

yea im joking lol

[fossil thistle]

Is it time?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1402024314978439373/Doom_Gif_2.0.gif

[minor gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1402024314978439373/Doom_Gif_2.0.gif

[fossil thistle]

There’s only so much room on the reroll wagon, us single brain cells believe in the “next patch 100%”

[livid current]

Blizzard acts like if Arms warrior is too good, people will play it. Truth is, no one will but us. Not even fury mains will switch, let alone other class mains. So they can afford to apply any nerfs they want, because we will play it anyways, because that's what Arms players do.

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/orc-sadorc-zuug-gif-18395942

[gentle gyro]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1402024314978439373/Doom_Gif_2.0.gif

[jade ember]

guys its fine you gotta remember we have two arms so we have to do half the dps of everyone else

[bleak arrow]

Enable both arms with fury.

[icy basin]

Arms is op. Extra talent point and all the pvp videos proved it

[neat bobcat]

With the rend change is there ever a world where we press thunderclap in m+? or is just for the slow?

[sweet tangle]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[torpid badge]

On this chart, where would you place Arms? (personal project)
If hero specs differ majorly profile wise, please include elaboration

[vast helm]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1404607648367775854/884dae019b604034a488bde11a71bd29.gif

[opaque shard]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[opaque shard]

Is this spec called "Legs" now? 🤔

[halcyon valve]

Legs because we are running away

[opaque shard]

[gentle gyro]

[plush wharf]

[latent moss]

and they still sandbag

[fresh spire]

Hunters hiding 50 lines of bugs you mean

[tall socket]

At this point I'll play arms mostly only because I'm prote main and it shares sec stats with arms. I'm too lazy to get a new gear for fury

[halcyon valve]

Bonus point; youll be doing the same damage as arms as you were doing as prot

[fresh spire]

[tacit crystal]

gm fishy

[slow saddle]

M8 just get another 2h u deffo do more dmg with bad stats as fury🤣

[icy mulch]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

Gotta pop in with the daily arms deadge. Only WoW daily worthy doing.

[spark epoch]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

[crisp crane]

spam the coffin emote 100x and then block all arms channels until bluepost

[bleak arrow]

arms is fine, thats why we got nerfed, we were over performing in pve as the pvp spec

[untold trench]

arms is fine, thats why we got nerfed, we were over performing in pvp as the pve spec

[shadow ibex]

Another expansion launch

https://tenor.com/view/again-and-again-true-detective-rust-cohle-matthew-mcconaughey-forever-gif-14603751962896868727

[tired sinew]

• poof * arms dreams gone heh.

[glacial pebble]

they should completely rework arms

[steady isle]

when will we close discord ?

[exotic knot]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[drowsy jacinth]

This just in: in the new midnight build arms is gone and warrior is going to a 2 spec class!

[junior rapids]

I'm annoyed that blizzard apparently removed Arathor sword from the game, it appeared on the appearance tab on the first half of pre patch, but this week dissapeared from it and trying to link it from wowhead results on a "retrieving item information" when clicking and nothing when attempting to preview.

I was planning to use it on my arms gecko

[drowsy jacinth]

I STILL want Remornia as a weapon

[stuck belfry]

@smoky kayak can we rename this chatroom legs since arms doesn't exist anymore

😂

[junior rapids]

Atleast now can share love and kindness as fury warr

Meet love and kindness

[drowsy jacinth]

can we get a transmog to take our arms away?

[quasi torrent]

u just ruined the legs meme bro

[swift crown]

Hahahaha good one ^^

[stuck belfry]

xD

[swift crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/656645642785128468/1094984361637580840/caption.gif

[stuck belfry]

why are there two andas

[quasi torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1456739652177231973/pearwriggler.gif

[stuck belfry]

😕

[quasi torrent]

mitosis

[stuck belfry]

xD

[junior rapids]

Amongus

[lofty nimbus]

These nerfs have violated my second amendment rights! Sad!

[nova marsh]

But guys

I thought you liked playing a spec that scales with buffs

[drowsy jacinth]

there arent enough buffs in the GAME to scale us

[nova marsh]

Guys what if the nerfs are a typo

[oak kite]

dont worry we will get a %3 aura buff lmao.

[drowsy jacinth]

nah itll be another nerf

3% aura buff but 10% specific ability nerfs or some shit

[inland drift]

oo thats cool, how does the combat animation looks with it

[junior rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/star-platinum-gif-18007371

[tacit crystal]

@quasi torrent @swift crown hi

[gaunt owl]

ORA ORA ORA

[tacit crystal]

why do you have 57

hi ppaww

when unretire

[spiral coral]

:57:

[tacit crystal]

[quasi torrent]

goodbye

[tacit crystal]

perform mitosis

[quasi torrent]

the world doesnt need more of my kind

[tacit crystal]

needs 2 more

[quasi torrent]

if anything i would go to 5

so i could play keys without having to rely in noobers (hard r)

[tacit crystal]

noobas

@sacred zodiac @dawn stag perform mitosis

[last saddle]

him

[bleak arrow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/doge-breathing-intensifies-Ny0wKKu09ppug

[minor gust]

Ppaww unretire and comeback. Your missing a historic time for arms

[gaunt owl]

you mean a new low

[minor gust]

Heh yeahhhh

Slayer is nice to play atleast

[gaunt owl]

i just want the spinny wheel for blizzard tuning

i would probably win the lottery

[halcyon breach]

curious, the entire group would just be 5 noobers then?

am I missing the point?

[quasi torrent]

i think this is rly rude

[shadow ibex]

Reminds me of every other expac

Can't wait for 6% aura and nothing until .5

[gaunt owl]

its the best game ever

you get some wild tuning before anything can be even logged and compared

[shadow ibex]

Ms nerf before launch

[gaunt owl]

blizzard and their PHD in mathematics

[shadow ibex]

The arms special

[gaunt owl]

its totally deserved nerf

people still playing Arms anyway

[shadow ibex]

The ol arms razzle dazzle

Have to admit its a pvp spec for closure

[minor gust]

Pretty much confirmed pvp spec after this week's notes. 15% buff in pvp but don't worry it's fine in pve

[tacit crystal]

fury is better in pvp too

[minor gust]

Gio are you 70 yet

[flint cedar]

I do not know what an arms warrior did to blizzard in the past but apparently the whole spec populace must suffer.

[topaz python]

is there some internal downscaling going in open world nowadays? my tooltip says that MS is going to deal approximately 6-7k damage, but when I press the button enemy in early TWW zone takes like 2k damage lol

[tacit crystal]

no

im at disney

[topaz python]

is it a bug or what

[tacit crystal]

i believe i am 67

@restive jay

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-disney-world-disney-land-darth-vader-gif-4591301

I gotta level the warrior so I can play some dual wield arms

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/barbeku-mangal-kebap-sis-kebap-piknik-gif-11639894

[restive jay]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[tacit crystal]

when i get back home ill have a decent amount of rested exp

[bleak arrow]

just use macros to change the fury skills to lok like arms buttons

[tacit crystal]

its just fury

but ms replaces bt

and you press ww over everything

[bleak arrow]

make some fake patch notes:

sweeping strikes has been redeisnged. no longer has a cooldown and only gives 4 stacks

[tacit crystal]

why even have stacks and not just always have it

[minor gust]

Passive SS will make it's return someday.

Thank you prot for getting it before us!

You know what instead of buffing us they should just give us the TBC arms debuff so your forced to bring this shit spec.

[slow saddle]

I mean current iteration is just bad🤣, let it stack to 24. Or make broad strokes = passive sweeo

Its a horrid "skill" expression

[minor gust]

Yeah

In this current state I don't see a reason not to just give us passive sweep considering we're already at essentially perma SS with broad

Like is tracking your SS so you know when to use your actual SS interesting gameplay to someone

[slow saddle]

Ikr

Also my brain wants to press ss on pull

[minor gust]

Like the introduction to broad strokes was nice because we have been complaining about SS being a half gcd forever now.

[tacit crystal]

hwat is broad

[dire hinge]

yeahhh still struggling with that too

[slow saddle]

20 years of presskn

Now its bad

Imho its bad design tbh

[minor gust]

Pressing CS gives you SS

Because we have that and actual SS we basically have perma uptime

[tacit crystal]

cs consume then ss

[slow saddle]

Unless u press ss by mistake

I say again let em stack

[tacit crystal]

sounds annoying

[slow saddle]

Less punishin

[tacit crystal]

they should or just make it passive

[slow saddle]

Passive 100%

[dire hinge]

yeah it's almost up 100% of the time anyways

[slow saddle]

Name makes sense

Broad strokes

[dire hinge]

just dont say that too loud, that means there's still room to nerf arms further

[minor gust]

I assume the devs would want SS and broad to stack but it's prob a super low prio for them

Might get that change in a patch during the expansion

[slow saddle]

12 + 12 = 12

How hard is that 2 change

[minor gust]

Not about how hard is it but is it even worth their effort to fix it right now

[slow saddle]

If not, just make broad strikes replace sweep and give it 24 stacks

[dire hinge]

yeah, it's not reallly an issue right now if you dont have to think about it too much

[slow saddle]

Also addin value 2 apex cdr then

U know what we need

More cleave dmg

Buff cleave

[daring heron]

nerf bleeds a bit more first

[slow saddle]

True

[minor gust]

That last apex just changes to increase CS dmg amp and it's good

Fuck anymore CDR man

[slow saddle]

Sorry we allready got sd reap

[minor gust]

That bleed talent is going to 5% before release guaranteed

[slow saddle]

We asked for that. Wont get more

[minor gust]

You right we can't have to many good things

[slow saddle]

I mean they said dmg redistrubution

But

Exept cleave

Everythin has been nerfed

Dw ms op exe ?

[daring heron]

bladestorm buffed ig

[slow saddle]

Like our 3 st core.abilities and dw

[minor gust]

Cleave is in our ST priority now so it's bumpin

[slow saddle]

Like nerfin everythin 2 aura buff later

[dire hinge]

every since i was a little boy i dreamt of using Cleave in single target

[tacit crystal]

critcake tenki no ko check

[minor gust]

This is it then Hroth you get to cleave in ST this expansion!

At least in M+

[dire hinge]

yeah it's pretty cursed

[daring heron]

not yet

[tacit crystal]

i wanna rewatch kimi no no wa to get sad

[slow saddle]

But again explain thoughts

Why nerf everythin to aura buff later?

[tacit crystal]

to make breakdown a certain way

[slow saddle]

But

[minor gust]

It's a funny perspective to have tho. If cleave is used in ST for keys technically that means a lot of those AOE talents are now also ST talents! A big win!

[slow saddle]

20 exe 20 ms 33% bleed op a million %

What break down do they want

Auto attack top?

[dire hinge]

nah that was for fury 👀

[dawn stag]

I am blue spongie.

[shadow ibex]

Aoe dmg breakdown is gonna be 60% cleave

3% bleeds

Bleeds doing colossus smash dmg overall

[steel sleet]

It's sad to see whats happening.. I played it right at the beginning of prepatch and the 50k crits felt soo awesome. Dunno what happened.

[minor gust]

Wdym you don't know what happened

[spare tree]

https://klipy.com/gifs/monty-python-ive-had-worse

[shadow ibex]

Usual arms experience

[gentle gyro]

Shoutout to warriors. First class to have 2 tanking specs.

[fresh spire]

It actually feels sad playing arms on reclear compared to before the first cringe nerfs

[minor gust]

cant feel sad if u dont have a dmg meter

[swift crown]

where is Spongie the grey?

[fresh spire]

I tried fury thane but looking at blasts damage lower than clap feels stupid. Odyns place feels weird too

Prio crushing in cds but bt out is super odd

Feels pretty messy

[minor gust]

I havent really looked at fury since the thane changes, but yeah seems completely wrong that TB is lower than TC

Odyns is just poor Odyns omegalul dead ripbozo since the torment removal

[fresh spire]

Me racing blood dk during bloodlust highlight of the night

[minor gust]

[untold trench]

sounds like BDK needs to get nerfed

[bleak arrow]

[grizzled falcon]

Just give Arms a bunch of shout buffs. First melee support spec.

[austere solar]

Yep shouts sounds good. Plz blizzzrd turn arms definitely into cheerleader.

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-feeling-it-cheerleader-cheering-pom-poms-gif-15396969

[minor gust]

warrior is too aggressive and intimidating because its got War in the name so its a cheer leader now.

[austere solar]

War + arms is to much, for sure.

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/mc-jugger-nuggets-gif-19032506

[bleak arrow]

I did it bros my first arms key. I was pumping. Beat the rest of my team. I can see why they are nerfing us.

[tardy crag]

I am here for one reason

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

ok bye

[bleak arrow]

The fucking audacity.

[raven minnow]

Leave the warriors alone

[steady isle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1404607648367775854/884dae019b604034a488bde11a71bd29.gif

[boreal remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-inconvenience-f1-gif-26332436

[tacit crystal]

[deep reef]

Is Arms really as bad as it seems?

[raven minnow]

Oh hello

How is arms doing

[tacit crystal]

[raven minnow]

that bad huh

[tacit crystal]

needs like 115% aura buff

[bleak arrow]

even on the live servers it feels super underwhelming

let alone beta keys

[raven minnow]

[bleak arrow]

yeah thats probably a bit extreme

[tacit crystal]

no its not

[icy mulch]

I never thought WoW would end up being the WoW killer.

[obsidian otter]

An game toppled by its enemies can rise again. But one which crumbles from within? That's dead... forever

[icy mulch]

Yeah, I hate to say it but all the stuff they're doing to the game just doesn't seem to be landing with the majority of the player base.
Or at least it doesn't appear that way.

[obsidian otter]

Idk it doesn’t seem like it’s slowing down. Every xpac game is booming and ques to get in are there. Prepatch to any wow version is an end of xpac doesn’t matter and many players don’t log in anymore. When season titles or rewards end those last few months your playing a dead game that is just there to pass time until new one starts. Everyone has their mythic plus mounts or pvp rewards raids are way past farm mode.

[rapid bronze]

we'll only find out if they pull a ripcord later in the expansion. It's impossible to tell during this dead period

[icy mulch]

Usually I would agree with that, but with all the UI disasters, the pruning of almost every class and spec, and the lack of some new big extra. Housing is not gonna bring a ton of ppl back.

[rapid bronze]

maybe, but the only metric that matters to their shareholders is user retention. If season 1 ends up being the clusterfuck it looks like it'll be, people might not come back and that's the only thing they listen to

[minor gust]

Wow survived SL its gonna keep on going

[rapid bronze]

tbf it only survived SL through a massive change in direction

[icy mulch]

S1 will be fine, since most of us got the pre-order. S2 though....

[obsidian otter]

I’ve been in the midnight beta past 3 months and even today I can log in and there more people playing the beta then live version on the leveling servers and on the max level servers. They know people will be there on launch even the preorders for the 3 day early start are high thwir not worried 😂

[icy mulch]

Yeah SL had a ripcord pulled.

[rapid bronze]

every ripcord imaginable was pulled from the covenant expansion-specific stuff and fated seasons to cross-faction grouping and all that jazz

[minor gust]

the ripcord didnt do anything

because it was already too late

the ppl that left stayed gone for pretty much rest of the expansion.

[icy mulch]

Yup

[rapid bronze]

I dont have figures and nobody really does but anecdotally seasons 3 and 4 were very vibrant and DF seemed quite successful as a result

encrypted and whatever they called the dreadlord affix season were a great time in WoW imo

[icy mulch]

I quit Shadowlands during the second raid. Domination, didn't come back till Dragonflight.

[minor gust]

Midnight will be fine more and more addons are coming out and it will only get better

[obsidian otter]

A lot of peoples opinions are based off their experience aswell and not what is really happening. You have guild massive ones many ones that play with only each other every season or xpac a solo player experience might feel less alive of the game world due to his interactions compared to people that actually are in guild and raid and mythic plus push.

[obsidian otter]

Their people already streaming midnight beta with addons that still make noises when they step in bad stuff not pointing anyone out but there people in this discord that use them. Yet for some reason it’s like their not sharing them yet 🤔

Very much dbm like

[minor gust]

nothing new that stuff usually gets slowly trickled down

prob still early development and testing so no rush to share

[obsidian otter]

This new addon thst was made specifically for midnight it’s not a old one

[icy mulch]

1. They're not reliable add-ons yet
2. They still may get crushed
3. it's only going to get worse again.

[bleak arrow]

they just found some bug ass work around to have an omni cd work so you can see your allies offensive spell cooldowns

this whole kill addons things was really dumb

blizz will always lose

[minor gust]

yeah ik I understood you. Im saying usually when top end players come up with this stuff it usually takes a bit before it starts getting shared around.

[obsidian otter]

They will still have plenty of players return and new to
Midnight I don’t think they are worried even at this point in the games life it could fail and it still the biggest success

[rapid bronze]

I generally think that as long as Blizzard doesn't do something that actively is anti-player like their SL systems, the WoW playerbase is like that bell curve meme with the mouthbreather, the try hard and the jedi. The tryhard is the one that gets affected negatively the most by their system changes and is loudest about them, but also the one that plays the most because he's addicted

[bleak arrow]

no matter how shit wow gets, there will be people playing wow, or replaing classic, like runescape players 30 years later. the amount of $80 special mount boost characters i see while questing on tbc anniversary is INSANE, they'll be aight

they dont need to care

[icy mulch]

I would love to see WoW fail, then maybe they put some effort into it to actually improve it.

[bleak arrow]

guys, guys... i have a great idea... what if, we deleted players characters every few months, then sold them ANOTHER boost... :kek:

[icy mulch]

Why do you think they keep making different classes meta? Minus a couple.

[bleak arrow]

i would hate to see wow fail becaue ive tried every single mmo and they're all shit, in my opinion

[icy mulch]

Is there any other MMOs on the market?

[bleak arrow]

eso, gw2, ff14, there are a few 'popular' ones

[icy mulch]

Oh right, FF14.
ESO is all but dead, and GW2 (I think just had a new expansion/rework again) and I still hear nothing about it.

[minor gust]

Swtor is supposed to have another expansion soon I think

[obsidian otter]

Man I put some years into that game I still wish they would done combat upgrade overhaul. Made it feel more buttery smooth but still enjoyable depending what class you played

[minor gust]

havent played it in like 10 years but its a good game

[nova marsh]

Gw2, well popular, is pretty small as a community

And also very casual

Eso can go fuck itself thou

Also I've noticed gw2 has a distinct lack of content creators overall compared to most mmos

(Espically wow and 14)

[sweet tangle]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[slow saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-9546693964669088570

[vast helm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1404607648367775854/884dae019b604034a488bde11a71bd29.gif

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[foggy quiver]

I wonder if they aura buff arms for like 50% will it be enough to bring the spec up again?

I think we reached at this point now, the spec is totally broken from random nerfs and a bad rework due to pruning

CDs all over the place, flat dmg breakdown, lack of identity and dmg profile, just a huge mess

[topaz python]

not really
it will be fine damage wise, but gameplay is so out of space right now, dunno what they are cooking, it seems spec really lost his core throughout the years

[golden smelt]

GW2 is good fun, I've played that on and off for years

[naive sage]

OSRS

[halcyon valve]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[weak wave]

Psychology. You really dont know why?

[drifting widget]

Bring back SoO MOP arms. Peak!

[shadow ibex]

Nice to see things didnt change during vacation

[wary steppe]

When they announce nerfs it should help if they at least provided their reasoning per class just a small paragraph even if its wrong. Now its just like they say fuck you with no communication

[fresh spire]

No fuck you

[latent moss]

what core

arms has no identity

its been fury lite ever since the df rework

and its been identity-less ever since the bfa rework

[bleak arrow]

bring back vanilla arms

[rough phoenix]

Give me liberty give me fire give me big unga bunga damage with big unga bunga weapon or I retire

[dreamy sandal]

It really should be THE execute spec. Arms damage should probably be similar to sub rogue in that you tactically plan ahead where you want to use your CDs. There really should also be more of a focus on being an armsmaster, using several different weapon-based abilities (also remove or UBERBUFF slam)

[rough phoenix]

It does feel like execute should be better. I haven't played for very long but when I use execute I'm always severely underwhelmed by how much damage it does

[spiral coral]

Bro being an “execute” class is miserable and terrible for pugging.

[latent moss]

execute can be amazing if its actually done well

[spiral coral]

Hii Gokke

[latent moss]

arms has been execute heavy all of df and had 0 exe power if u dont play all exe talents

which is just dogshit design

not much to say

[crystal umbra]

I wonder how execute would feel if other offensive abilities buffed it's next use, instead of the other way around.

[latent moss]

why is it miserable

it would be miserable in content where shit does too fast

[fresh spire]

Sod warrior was best watrior

[topaz python]

being a hard hitting recourse managing spec that amplifies the player's understanding of which decision to make
at least that what's arms has been to me at least

[latent moss]

but then just play fury

[latent moss]

ye and arms is none of that

currently

and hasn't been any of thst for a long time

[topaz python]

that's what I've said

[latent moss]

i agree with ur idea

[topaz python]

i dropped wow is shadowlands so yeah

dunno how arms was doing in DF and TWW before prepatch made it even worse that it's been on release of SL

[latent moss]

sl arms was infinitely better

than df and tww

df s3 was cool tho i cant lie

[topaz python]

ye, condemn was a really fun ability to use but the tuning was off

[latent moss]

nah fuck condemn im not gonna lie

night fae enduring blow

condemn added nothing to the spec u just had execute more

[topaz python]

and it was satisfying actually

animation was super good tho

[latent moss]

idk it was cringe for me

u still have that animation

[topaz python]

ye

true

[latent moss]

ripping a ms that did 3x ur st dps

I miss sl arms

[topaz python]

most fun I had with arms is the end of BFA

[latent moss]

sod as in classic or sanctum

[topaz python]

with corruptions stacked and a test of might on three azerite pieces

[latent moss]

not a very healthy design

[dim basalt]

ngl we need SoD but for retail

Just Blizz trying the weirdest shit

[topaz python]

we're in the simulation
every single expansion arms is getting some kinda rework that makes an entire cycle start over

make arms bad
fix
let ppl enjoy spec at the end of expansion
make arms bad
====== WE'RE HERE ======
fix

[icy mulch]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

[gentle gyro]

MABA

Shoutout to warriors though. They never get enough credit for being the only class in the game with two tank specs.

[fresh spire]

Sod shadowlands

Was best arms

When execute was just the filler

Arms just always did damage

No fucking about

From the pull we owned

[wide apex]

tomb of sargeras 😔

[latent moss]

w take

exe was filler but it did

infinite damage

every button fucked

dreadnaught was crazy too

bro fucking wb did a shit ton of dmg in aoe

[fresh spire]

Execute being a filler worked best. Archi spitballed a random idea last night about sd being fully in control of execute. Procs increase based on hp. Base proc was much higher so you have execute weaving entire fight. No bs around shitty rage costs. Rage Balanced around slam ms

[latent moss]

🧑‍🍳

i fw that a lot

cause the current design is just impossible

[fresh spire]

Tbh with execute now its outdated. The expanded rage cost is so fucked we need refunds on our passives

Actual pain causing shit

[latent moss]

it just doesnt work

[fresh spire]

Time to rework execute or lower its cost and kill refunding

[latent moss]

our highest cost outside of exe is ms at 30 every 3 globals

in exe u have a 40 rage every global

and blizz is making u want to press it

but u cant press it

[latent moss]

archi idea sounds good

[fresh spire]

Needs to cook to work out the functions of it but works in theory

If it still does deep wounds/ep always. Alongside reap/adding cm it could be giga cook

[latent moss]

needs work but is a good cook

[fresh spire]

Could fully kill ms reap if we had increased sd ramping etc

[latent moss]

ye and could do cool shit like

cs grants sd

and kill avatar too

or something

[shadow ibex]

Imagine cs was cool

Not just shit with 40-50% uptime

[latent moss]

then go all out

with it

[shadow ibex]

Exactly

[latent moss]

kill ava bring back cs on tactician

[shadow ibex]

Cs windows gr8

Maintain between

[latent moss]

kill the proc rate

crazy how imgur is basically this

chatting

[shadow ibex]

They've had so many iteration of arms

And we land on blandest for last 8 years

Ms on cd OP charges 50% uptime on cs

[dreamy sandal]

Did this discord not make like a whole ass custom arms tree form scratch?

[latent moss]

ye thats imgur

me walhe xan

[dreamy sandal]

Think its high time they take a look at that over att blizz HQ

[latent moss]

they dont want cs on tactician

for some reason

[dreamy sandal]

Well they dont have a clue what they are doing anyway, so just take inspiration from the community at this point

[shadow ibex]

Our rework we got this expac is pure monkey paw

Finally got one

[latent moss]

@thick kelp

its so good bro

[wide apex]

I don't get how they managed to keep slam

when spec with 2 buttons had a button removed

[latent moss]

nothing wrong with it

its a filler

[wide apex]

yeah nothing wrong with it, I just don't think its a fan favorite

[wide apex]

I feel like theres some veteran dev doing warrior. they had the meeting about simplifying classes and he just chuckled

[dreamy sandal]

Its really not fun to press though, like pressing raging blow as fury feels a bit better

[wide apex]

meanwhile the junior dev made the 2 button classes into 1 button class

[latent moss]

whats there to simplify

u ms on cd

op on cd

slam if u cant press those 2

[dreamy sandal]

It honestly probably just needs a new animation/sound effect

[wide apex]

yeah you could say that about so many specs that they gutted

[topaz python]

that probably will fix it, yeah

[wide apex]

if they get rage right and just make it do dmg I wouldn't mind to play arms as is

[latent moss]

thats the thing with rage

there is nothing to get right

cause u cant get it right

u need 90000 passive refunds

[dreamy sandal]

btw, were can I actually find this and read each node?

[latent moss]

https://imgur.com/a/warrior-rework-xan-cone-walhe-WljLZSe

[dreamy sandal]

Thanks

[wide apex]

what does that mean? you saying any level of rage generation is the same gameplay wise?

[latent moss]

its def overcooked

[wide apex]

they can adjust generation/expenditure to where it feels like a good balance

[latent moss]

more of a showcase of ideas that they could experiment with

[wide apex]

just personal taste to some extent

[latent moss]

u either have arms where rage really matters and u have to spend smart

and then u never press execute or u never press ms in execute

or u have too much rage but u have a rotation in execute

sl arms was the 1st df was the 2nd

[latent moss]

or u end up spamming op/empty globals

[wide apex]

well at the very least you're trying not to be in one of the extremes

[latent moss]

if u have to press both

[halcyon mason]

Hard agree. It's a do nothing ability, pretty shocked it made it through the pruning

[bleak arrow]

[thorn stream]

someone mentioned a ragegen on overpower in execute

with a talent

that would help in execute

[wide apex]

now I see the axe bro. I always thought it kinda looked like a parrot

[bleak arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/parrot-party-gif-22113017

[latent moss]

been a thing for a long time now but they got rid of it for whatever reason

it also fixes nothing

they should just make exe 20 rage

static

[olive nest]

Wow that arms rework is hot!

The rage flow in execute would go so hard especially

[thorn stream]

also fair

[latent moss]

trampoline

[dim basalt]

The way rage gen works is just so outdated

Having to adjust it every patch sounds horrible

[wide apex]

I don't even know how it works

[olive nest]

50% jug sounds insane

We would absolutely be like legion fury levels of hill climb at the last 20% of the fight haha

[latent moss]

ye its overcooked asf

[latent moss]

dont look at avatar slayer

slayer capstone

[olive nest]

It’s sick I like it, nice collab

[latent moss]

in theory it should flow really well

u have op from taste for blood to fill ur rota

ms on cd

exe on cd

when u can

never delaying sd

[olive nest]

Hollyy it’s unrelenting alright 🤣

[latent moss]

slayer capstone is evil

[gentle gyro]

I remember this software

Sadly they don't care

[shadow ibex]

Remember when bleeds did a lot

[bleak arrow]

Bleeds are for betas.

Cleaves are for chads. Remember that.

[full furnace]

rend is a pretty much a fury spell now

[shadow ibex]

Cleave being ms reskin killed aoe fun

286 casts overall exciting

[sick thorn]

im so lost right now i mean i use to play slayer in raid and now i get more fun and damage with colossus what willl happen with slayer?

[sacred zodiac]

wait until the new raid releases and actually see how the specs are balanced

[floral ledge]

guys trust

[sacred zodiac]

for now play whatever since its mickey mouse content

[floral ledge]

we'll get 20% aura buff

[sick thorn]

slayer hit less but always have rage

colossus hit more but less rage

i mean they need to fix something

lik 20% more rage generator i dont know

[fresh spire]

How about not nerf the amount of rage on swing in the first place

So we wouldn't be in this mess

[misty sandal]

*.20%

[fresh spire]

Surely arms gets 25 and fury gets 5

[olive nest]

Rage generation should never be a problem yet here we are sadge

[stable fiber]

there use to be a time when arms generated too much rage and i think they are scared of that again for some reason

id like it if they lean into adding a off the gcd rage consumer and then buff our rage gen a lot so we baseline have enough rage to do our rotation and send the excess towards off gcd stuff

problem is we dont even have enough rage to do the normal rotation

lowkey mop heroic strike might be the best warrior button and that sounds strange to say lmao

atleast the most satisfying to push

[shadow ibex]

They won't ever have rage matter again

[olive nest]

Yeah think my opinion aligns with that,
Base rotation should have to much rage and the skill expression can come from having off GCD abilities to spend the excess on like focused rage or ignore pain or even heroic strike like you mentioned

[shadow ibex]

Thats a skill floor there

If rage mattered you'd be able to mess it up and thats a no go

[olive nest]

Currently you can and do mess it up

You press execute into ms and all of sudden you have 0 gas for a second or two

[icy mulch]

Logic, pffft, we don't do that here at Blizzard.

[stable fiber]

MS shouldnt cost rage

the main button of the spec feels like a detriment to push

[olive nest]

I like it with a cooldown and no rage myself

[shadow ibex]

Execute should be usable always really

[shadow ibex]

Keeping 30 in the tank for MS is fundamentally arms

[olive nest]

Ms and op generate execute spends

[shadow ibex]

Without that its just bloodthirst

[olive nest]

Heroic strike procs are free

Sudden procs are free

[gentle gyro]

Shirley

[olive nest]

Kek

[gentle gyro]

They just don't care

[bleak arrow]

Sorry best I can do is buff

[gentle gyro]

Whats the point

[stable fiber]

it shouldnt though

[gentle gyro]

This is a support group at this point

AA

Arms Anonymous

[bleak arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-gif-6441173819862827223

[stable fiber]

they could take a couple tips from mop arms

the problem with MS being a 30 rage cost is that it doesnt feel rewarding to push and its practically consuming half your rage bar and you are supposed to push it whenever its up

enrage being added back to arms would be a nice change, certainly not as strong as fury's version though

[thorn stream]

what would guarantee it in comparison to furys stuff ?

[stable fiber]

doesnt have to be guaranteed, the goal in general is to give more reason to push mortal strike because right now the button feels like shit to push

[thorn stream]

So just a proc system to ms ?

[bleak iris]

They could make MS stronger and cost more rage like furious bite and execute

And give us rage regen of dragonflight

[thorn stream]

They could make MS stronger and cost more rage like furious bite and execute