arms

[sharp wyvern]

id rather have this rather then the old one

how do you care about dmg when that can get fixed ?
i had an issue with the designe of fatality and that it scaled with strenght and CDs

[lunar hawk]

Fatal Mark meta incoming…

[grim meteor]

rip

[latent moss]

already here

[thorn stream]

Will the upcoming prepatch update change what builds will be recommended? E.g. the SD reap pulling slayer ahead for m+

[dim basalt]

Theres a chance no one bothered doing level 80 sims at all

Because theres hardly a point to

[fresh spire]

Already updates on wowhead.

[maiden root]

Guys. Can someone tell me if maining arms season 1 is actually viable or im trolling?

[drifting apex]

Can someone explain me this please i use warbreaker and i see no stack of sweeping strikes... i think i miss something

[dim basalt]

Who knows

Theres still balancing to be done

Also, everything is always viable anyway

[slow saddle]

Setup cdm properly, its there. But also if u have sweeping up, stacks does not go above 12

[drifting apex]

When i have nothing up it doesnt appear in my buff

[quartz lake]

I think it's more important you find a spec you vibe with. You'll always perform better when you're having fun and if you mesh with it, rather than forcing yourself onto something just for the numbers (unless you're in like race to world first)

[clever bluff]

Considering blizzard isn't done giving us res sickness baseline yet, and we're probably going to get another -30% damage aura... yeah you're trolling. Someone wants this class deleted.

[thorn stream]

thanks, appreciate it - was on mobile earlier today

[thorn stream]

[maiden root]

I enjoy it a lot but ever since prepatch my class feels so weak. I went from vibing to reminiscing how good times were in the past lol.

[maiden root]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twitter-leobylaw-gif-2505603330472600940

[loud creek]

I was thinking of maining arms warrior in Midnight because it is one of the melee classes that still have some buttons to press. I'm seeing a lot of doom here so I just wanted an honest opinion on how is the state of the spec right now? Mainly focused on M+

[untold trench]

Come back in a few weeks, after they fixed some things, it will likely be fine... but if you ask that question now, the doomers, they will come out in force

[olive nest]

Pick arms and play it

Balance fluctuates so much and it’s largely irrelevant for anyone that isn’t trying to kill the last two bosses in the first or second week

[rough otter]

try if you like the class and care about how good is it when midnight and stuff come

[slow saddle]

Yeh if its power currently bad, if its playstyle in m+ also bad

Much of it is easily fixxed

If aura buff + more rage. Its pretty decent ngl

But we low resources and tankish dmg in st atm. On beta its rough ( but will // must be buffed)

[bitter escarp]

Mortal Strike good

[lunar hawk]

No, mortal strike bad

That’s why our ST is bad lol. One of the several reasons anyway

[brisk cipher]

Slam > Mortal Strike unfortch

[olive nest]

Yikes

[obsidian otter]

If they would have just buffed what they buffed and left OP damage alone left MS damage alone didn’t lower bleed damage (why they did that no clue) and helped out rage more in execute phase (because that’s only time your starved depending on build) we would be in a decent spot going into midnight.

[smoky kayak]

lmfao

[dim basalt]

I mean their intention wasnt to nerf Arms

So eh

[obsidian otter]

Op is used in single target and aoe nerfing the damage of
That hurts both. MS is part of bladestorms damage due to unhenged. Nerfing MS by 20% hurts both AoE and Single target. They reduced deep wounds damage by 30% hurt single target and aoe execute damage reduced by 30% when it was only like 5-6% of our overall damage in mythic plus… like if their goal wasn’t to nerf arms idk what the goal was 😆

[dim basalt]

The question is what your conclusion is based on

Not like it matters what the state is right now, theres still weeks of potential balancing

[obsidian otter]

I’m sure they will give it all back (hopefully) before season 1

[thick kelp]

they will check our dmg breakdown to look like they want it to be

and then slap 20-30% aura

[dim basalt]

yup

[obsidian otter]

It’s like we lost avatar as slayer there is 20% right there from our CDs burst 😆

[dim basalt]

Which wouldnt matter in the end

Youre close to getting it

[obsidian otter]

That’s 20% to BS /MS during unhedged OP everything cleave etc during avatar

currently based off of logged mythic plus data were middle of the pack 136k overall under fury at 142k bottom bottom is Havoc at 105k and top top is Still demo warlock at 211k average dps. If we got a 20% overall dps increae would put us to about 164k overall in mythic plus. We would rise to right under Marksman and sub rogue at 165k if they get no buffs. Which we jump from B tier to A tier which isnt bad. So maybe that is the plan to just slap us with 20-30% overall everything buff

[thorn stream]

You’ll have SD reap on live tomorrow. That’s a win

[obsidian otter]

ive had it in beta since its been introduced

Those logs are from reap on SD

and we still do less reap damage then how it was before but its nice for it to be on Execute for 2 reaons. So when were pressing SD procs in AOE to reduce BS cooldown thats good win! we get aoe proc! as well more aoe win! so that change was a double win for sure! Making SD procs more valuble in aoe

[unborn pawn]

Critcake made me laugh today

[thorn stream]

Looking forward to testing it

[obsidian otter]

it feels good for sure! I love the change

specially getting back to back reap procs when you get back to back SD procs

its like having 2 stacks of reap ready to go!

Specially when it procs during BS and you come out having them up and ready

[slow saddle]

2 kill arms

Had 2 be the goal

[thorn stream]

Wasn’t arms decent on beta before ?

Sure those changes won’t help for live, but that does not matter for most people anymore

[dim basalt]

Yeah but the breakdown changes changed that

So it needs an aura buff

[thorn stream]

Yea for sure

[slow saddle]

I mean aura. Buff wont fix

Dreadnaught nerf

Which imho is a super strong dmg profile we lost 50% of

[thorn stream]

Let’s see what plan they got for arms

[thorn stream]

Surely it’ll be fine

[slow saddle]

60%?

[obsidian otter]

yeah lol

[slow saddle]

Fuck

[obsidian otter]

needs nerfed more

[slow saddle]

Its a strong talent

But could also just be baseline

Giving arms a better 2t profile and funnel ability

But hey, arms cant have nice things

[thorn stream]

Maybe they’ll up it again

[slow saddle]

Nopw

They should, but wont sadly

[thorn stream]

I’ll wait dooming till release

[slow saddle]

Kek i didnt doom until this redistrubition

Coz i dont like a dmg profile reliant on cleave

Coz of the talent tax

[obsidian otter]

doing 120-140k overall in +15 keys feels rough honestly. Most dont know the difference because they dont play anything else. I have BM hunter/Survival/Sub rogue/Enhance shammy/WW monk/DH all 3k in beta thats pretty much doing 5/8 at 12 and rest 15s. I could push higher on one but trying to see how each feels just playing them. Damage matters ofcource. But its frustraing when you play a class you never played and easily out dps the other without even trying lol

I sweat when i play arms ngl lol but i love it

honestly you could do all 12s and get 3k depending how fast you run them a 22 min 12 is like 372 points fastest logged skyreach currenty is like 19:35 then mine at 22:27 The rest are like 24 mins or higher. Many factors play into that for sure

[dim basalt]

It is still super strong?

Roundabout 3% for a single, passive allocation is still good

[slow saddle]

Point is not its relative str to 1 talent point

Its more dmg profile

And how much better we sre when dreadnaught does more of our dmg

[dim basalt]

Yeah but DN was definitely way too strong

[last saddle]

whats DN

[thorn stream]

Dreadnaught

[obsidian otter]

When you actually compare the change from what it was before to what it is now. You can actually see where the damage shift is.

[last saddle]

the total damage appears to be lower

[obsidian otter]

you do less unhenged damage on BS as well

[last saddle]

if i add up the values

[obsidian otter]

The cleave was like 229k and OP was 206k so we did a little bit more aoe overall. But i didnt do it a ton of times and I didnt have the change to compare doing it back to back. Whole point was we lost alot of single target with this change and we didnt gain a massive amount of aoe

for the change

we dont use cleave in single target so the OP nerf and MS nerf hit the worst

for our single

[thorn stream]

And slayer was generally doing more st than colo right ?

[obsidian otter]

yeah but colo is a aoe spec so they generally excell in aoe maybe not currently its kinda like how thane does better then slayer fury in aoe there just built for it

not counting set bonus where slayer just was better from TWW strictly talking Beta

[thorn stream]

Colo st must feel really atrocious then

With this change

[obsidian otter]

its like tank damage single target from what i see

[thorn stream]

Bummer

I like me doing atleast something on bosses

[obsidian otter]

tuning still in "progress" so by season 1 of midnight it could be decent

[thorn stream]

Yeah I believe (:

Will feel really bad on prepatch now (not that it matters)

[grizzled falcon]

Just remove all the bleed talents and give us new damage talents

[obsidian otter]

fury slayer single target is doing better then arms single target aswell today im testing aoe fury slayer vs arms slayer aoe

issue there to is i have two characters in beta geared one for arms slayer and one for fury slayer. Arms slayer is favoring Haste>Crit>mastery vs fury slayer which is Haste<Mastery<crit so your rings trinkets bracers neck will be different and weapon rolls for stats. So just swaping will lower your damage a bit

[thorn stream]

I really dig the dreadnaught nerf

Ms and execute not so much

it is what it is

[regal falcon]

We live

[dire hinge]

yee servers up for a bit

[twin hazel]

Where do look at new builds?

[smoky kayak]

Please remember to check #updates-midnight message before asking questions

[stable socket]

arms is so back

[twin hazel]

Thanks Arch!

[obsidian otter]

Eww Elf ☠️

[quasi torrent]

silence maghar player

[obsidian otter]

Orc!! Straight back !

[quasi torrent]

gr**nskin

[timid wagon]

do we use bladestorm in M+ with the patch?

[flint cedar]

@obsidian otter what was your verdict with arms st vs fury st?

[tawdry quail]

Does colossus arms use ravager or bladestorm for M+? Ravaged right? To buff cleave

[eternal cobalt]

prepatch isnt balanced for anything, use what you want

[pine wren]

How is Arms feeling after the patch?? Also, overall, which DPS spec is performing better at the moment?

I've been Fury but looking to branch out if it's viable 👀

[spare tree]

fury definitely better atm

[latent moss]

gr**nskin

[nova marsh]

Branch out to other classes, arms is cooked

[halcyon void]

did we just lose talent points after update?

[dim basalt]

#updates-midnight

[halcyon void]

feels kinda bad

[grave mulch]

#updates-midnight

[minor gust]

It's prepatch mate just log off and comeback on midnight release.

[thorn stream]

i think he might just want to play the game

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/theburntpeanut-bungulator-twitch-stare-got-em-gif-13218764415226663824

[vestal smelt]

I've been away from Arms (and warrior in general) since S3 and S4 of DF. I didn't really like a lot of the rotational changes that Arms received coming into TWW.

How is Arms feeling in Midnight? I see there are a few talents factoring in Slam as a rotational ability. According to the prepatch rotation it is only a filler but surely it takes a higher role with the addition of the Apex talents? How often do you generally press Slam?

[umbral linden]

st low-priority filler in my expirience

apex can (and i hope will) change that, cause as i remember heroic strike is affected by all slam talents

[vestal smelt]

Ok I will need to find some space on my keyboard for it as a rotational ability

I had it on a shift bind before because you almost never pressed it in DF

I feel like warrior actually didn't lose any abilities with the pruning then and basically gained Slam as a higher prio button as well as some utility (much needed)

[dim basalt]

Roar and Skullsplitter are gone but only roar counts as pruned tbh

As we didnt always take SkS

[vestal smelt]

Yea I mean we never really played SkS

[dim basalt]

We did in S1

[vestal smelt]

And I used to macro Roar into stuff anyway

I didn't play TWW warrior at all

[dim basalt]

But I prefer not getting pruned tbh

Ravager can go and avatar doesnt need to stay either though

But in terms of rotational abilities we are more than fine

[vestal smelt]

I wouldn't have minded some of our rotational buttons being pruned if I'm honest

[dim basalt]

Nah, take away any rotational ability and we become fire mage 2.0

5 buttons are not a lot

[vestal smelt]

Slam kinda feels like a useless button thematically because it's not quite as good as MS but is something you can "spam" as a filler but then I feel like havinga filler wasn't really needed as Arms before

I count 6 tbh. Excluding things like colossus smash and demolish etc

OP, Slam, MS, Cleave, Rend/TC, Execute

[dim basalt]

I left out Cleave

But still not a whole lot

Compared to what BRM had before

[vestal smelt]

Do we not take cleave for M+?

[dim basalt]

We do

Cleave is kinda busted since the latest notes

[vestal smelt]

So why'd you leave it out? Talking raid or just forgot?

[dim basalt]

Just talking raid

[vestal smelt]

Ahh I see. I'm an m+ andy lol

[vestal smelt]

Is the beta server not online currently? I can't see any available servers

[vestal smelt]

Holy jesus Arms ST is terrible lmao. What are they doing?

[umbral linden]

do not look at 30% dw and 60% dread nerf in aoe

a r m s b a d

[vestal smelt]

Lets be quite honest though, when has Arms ever not been bad?

I think there was a moment in DF with the leggo where it was about as good as the other leggo wearers and since then it's always been beans

[umbral linden]

do not make me cry

arms was kindaaaa not bad at the start of S3 tww

but this moment was short

[vast glacier]

Tww Arms was shit

Df s3 Arms was OK

[icy mulch]

Midnight Arms is ______?

[thick kelp]

[dim basalt]

Almost like theres still tuning to come

[vestal smelt]

Are you sure they can tune their way out of this mess currently? At this point I kinda feel like the way the spec is designed we will either be bonkers for 2 target or bonkers for m+

[dim basalt]

Its literally just an aura buff lol

[vestal smelt]

With the way rage is generated atm it seems like St is cooked

What would they aura buff? If they aura buff our damage by like 20-30% for ST then we are WAY overtuned for AoE

[dim basalt]

Not really no?

[vestal smelt]

I feel like if they just pump MS damage up we then won't want to press cleave in aoe and then our 2 target gets bonkers

[dim basalt]

A 20% aura buff would put us in the middle afaik

Assuming no other specs can any buffs or nerfs

[vestal smelt]

Yea but we're not that far behind on aoe but we are dead last in ST

[dim basalt]

Then they take back some cleave damage or whatever, its not science

Last patch notes were just breakdown changes, expecting the spec to be perfectly balanced is a bit naive

[sacred zodiac]

ya where is this false dichotomy coming from

[last saddle]

if they aura buff 20% arms, cleave doesnt become that crazy i dont think

at least compared to some other classes

[vestal smelt]

You think 20% will be fine for pure ST then?

[dim basalt]

Specs will be balanced around level 90 anyway

Whats broken now does literally not matter

[sacred zodiac]

theyve run a game where every spec in the game is viable in m+ for 10 years now where is the idea coming from that they suddenly can't balance for m+ anymore

[vestal smelt]

I'm talking what I've seen from people playing keys in beta not pre patch

[sacred zodiac]

if you're looking at beta for performance metrics you're wasting your time

[vestal smelt]

Ok so what pray tell are we supposed to be looking at for performance metrics? Are we still too far out to worry about performance? Are we only allowed to worry about that 3 weeks into release?

[sacred zodiac]

yeah

like, unironically yeah

[dim basalt]

yup

If theres balancing notes this week we could suddenly become incredibly op

Anything can happen

[vestal smelt]

I mean why stop there tbh, lets just wait till S3 of Midnight when we'll have more stats to judge Arms performance really

[sacred zodiac]

usually the last balance tuning comes in at ~1-2 weeks after season launch based on data and feedback and usually leaves every spec playable with some ending up as the best spec which will get flocked to as the meta spec

[last saddle]

yea theres a few reasons mythic raid/m+ doesn't release day 1 and rebalancing is one of them

[dim basalt]

Whats meta or not is not even necessarily determined by damage anyway

[last saddle]

in terms of raid definitely

[sacred zodiac]

okay but you realize with this reasoning everyone wouldve made a fury warrior in whatever season of sanctum until they axed the banner build last second

[vestal smelt]

Warrior has never and will never be meta in m+ that's not the point. The point is we are doing literal tank damage on ST atm lol

[sacred zodiac]

tuning is an ongoing process and the best you can do is go on beta, look at what is and isnt working design wise and report that as feedback

[dim basalt]

Warrior has been kinda meta in M+ this season in the phys comp

[sacred zodiac]

fury was meta in several seasons and doing tank damage in a prepatch with literally zero stakes is literally whatever

[last saddle]

tbh its better for your favorite spec to be super ass than underwhelming

[sacred zodiac]

if you care about prepatch metrics go reroll devourer or whatever isnt that whats popping off

[vestal smelt]

This was beta my guy. I know prepatch is a meme that's why I'm not even looking at it

[last saddle]

because its more likely they will tune it

[sacred zodiac]

oh my bad again tuning is not done yet

[last saddle]

i think he prob watched the critcake stream yesterday and saw him almost getting beat in overall by the brewmaster

[sacred zodiac]

beta isnt really there to test whether every spec does exactly the same damage

[dim basalt]

BRM is stupidly busted anyway

Like its not even a fair comparison when they just buffed the tank with the highest dps

[last saddle]

its mop all over again

[vestal smelt]

Didn't see that but that's even worse lol. If the best of us is getting clapped by a tank then that's even more reason to worry

[dim basalt]

BRM will get hit by a truck before release

[vestal smelt]

Especially after the bizarre patch notes on Arms recently

[sacred zodiac]

can you name one expansion release in recent memory where the beta performance of a spec was so atrociously bad that tanks were outperforming it and it made it to the expansion release in that state

like you are dooming for the sake of dooming

[icy mulch]

Long ball suggestion, but couldn't they make Colossus Smash way way stronger than Warbreaker to balance out AoE vs ST?

[last saddle]

windwalker monk was pretty bad in wod

[vestal smelt]

I know they will tune things, the issue is I looked at their recent patch notes and it's very clear that they have no idea what they're doing lol. That's what has me worried

ST damage is bad and they nerfed MS and execute and buffed cleave like wot

[sacred zodiac]

like tank beating them literally not viable for anything bad? didnt play the game back then

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[dim basalt]

You clearly didnt understand the patch notes

[last saddle]

the spec was pretty much unplayabled there were a ton of bugs iirc
but i was kinda making a joke because wod isn't really "recent memory"

[vestal smelt]

Explain the logic of the patch notes then please? Because I am baffled

[last saddle]

i think a lot of the pure dps classes have had bad eggs on release, theres def been expansions where assassination rogue was trolling the entire time

[vestal smelt]

They buffed 2 aoe spells, nerfed 2 ST spells, and reduced dreadnaught damage. This tells me they are trying to make people press cleave in AoE instead of counting targets to 8 or whatever other conditional

[dim basalt]

Cleave has always been a must press in aoe anyway

They didnt like how the damage breakdown looked and made changes, thats all the notes were supposed to do

Now we are just waiting for an aura buff

[vestal smelt]

From what I heard it was something that was only worth pressing on like 8 targets unless you had certain buffs or something. We've had that sort of thing before so I understand them wanting to incentivise us pressing it. I just don't understand the MS and execute nerfs

[dim basalt]

We pressed cleave on cd all expac

Dreadnought was completely nasty and needed a nerf, and even after a 60% nerf its still really good

[vestal smelt]

The issue I have is on lower target counts we don't seem to generate a lot of rage which makes our rotation feel like absolute ass

[vestal smelt]

Not talking about TWW. Talking only about beta atm

[dim basalt]

Same thing

[vestal smelt]

I just feel like Bloodsurge is carrying our rage gen in aoe atm which is why low target feels so beans

[last saddle]

MS should give 30 rage when you press it

[regal wharf]

KING SALADCHAD was MID-BATTLEGOON when a STACY FOOTFOID brutally VOIDMOGGED him into KNEELMAXXING in front of all his JESTERTROOPS to avoid a REIGN-ENDING cortisol spike

[icy mulch]

I maybe just an old granny, but what in the hell is that suppose to even mean?

[blazing linden]

for m+ cab we play slayer ?

[latent moss]

real

[icy mulch]

Can you translate that for the rest of us?

[latent moss]

its an explanation of the xalatath cinematic

in 1 sentence

true poetry

[icy mulch]

I think we have a different definition of poetry, but I see it now. Thanks.

[light notch]

Has talents changed since update?

[sharp wyvern]

the talent builds have

[minor gust]

Basically yes. With how Blizz had handled tuning the last 4 years there's not much reason to care or think about performance till week before raid release. And even then depending on if there's a heroic week or not you can expect another round of tuning.

[fresh spire]

heard you like being undertuned

welcome to arms

[olive nest]

Undertuned friends stick together

[minor gust]

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-wiggling-arms-no-muscles-need-to-workout-gif-8040613

@smoky kayak can we threaten to close down arms discord until we get buffs like the ret Paladin crusade of 08-2025

[minor gust]

Pinging Archi for something dumb like that RIP

[olive nest]

“No we’re adults here”

[inland ingot]

hey folks, what went wrong with the warrior talent tree? Blizz is literally forcing me to get a talent on the Throw 🙁

and it's kinda useless

[smoky kayak]

no

[smoky kayak]

Blizz is not forcing you to, but Wrecking Throw does have damage and interrupt benefits

you don't need to take either at 90, we're just taking them at 80 for the sake of more efficiently spending talent points

[inland ingot]

ack, thx for explaining! it's just feels a bit redundant though. At the start of prepatch, it did feel like the talent selection in the end was more efficient, but now it is less

[smoky kayak]

that's because they changed the talent point gates, and you now have less points to spend at the bottom of the tree at level 80
see #updates-midnight message

[inland ingot]

👍🏼

[proud remnant]

is Culling Cyclone for slayer working as intended? Each strike of bladestorm deals an additonal 20% split?

why split?

I feel robbed

across all targets

so across 10 targets its only hitting 2% harder per strike?

[slender sonnet]

i downloaded x again for some reason

[sacred zodiac]

yea it sucks ass

[minor gust]

It's meant as a ST talent. No don't ask me why it's a choice node with another ST BS option

[slender sonnet]

i tweeted blizz to buff arms tho so

[minor gust]

Thank you Syi I'll be sure to credit you when the arms aura buffs come out

[proud remnant]

what in the heck hahah two ST options is not intended. They def neeed to fix

[slender sonnet]

you're welcome bestie

[minor gust]

It's intended alright

[slender sonnet]

I have twitter clout

[minor gust]

Doesn't mean the intentions are good

[proud remnant]

yikes

[livid cloak]

My condolences

[hollow wave]

Besides the damage numbers, which is horrible, I'm actually enjoying arms gameplay

[olive nest]

They’ll aura buff us to mid pack surely

[stable plover]

Nope

[slender sonnet]

surely

[slender sonnet]

yeah....

my life is going downhill fast

I got 1300 likes on a facebook comment tho so Im basically a celebrity

[livid cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-holy-cow-gif-20790708

I dont have x or Facebook or reddit

I'm just a guy

[hollow wave]

I don't mind being mid

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-care-gif-18146171

[slender sonnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1261814504556331021/1470926142566301878/ezgif-18be79454171f0e4.gif

[minor gust]

The right way to live

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cool-anyway-cool-anyway-jeremy-clarkson-top-gear-gif-789091639777171041

I agree or I should say I hope to agree, that Arms will in deed, be back and not dead.

[slender sonnet]

mean

[minor gust]

50/50

[fossil thistle]

With a misspelt name too

[livid cloak]

What an absurd reason to ping someone

To insult the spelling of their name

[cosmic halo]

How feels arm.slayer in MM ?

[sudden topaz]

wut

[long thicket]

Hello? Is there any buff arms for Single Target?

[hasty thunder]

That's what we got, deal with it

[vestal smelt]

lol

[hasty thunder]

Idk if the apex talent will make any difference tho

And based on what I read eariler... I guess it's normal being undertune for arms warriors

[vestal smelt]

They'll buff us after the race

🙂

[hasty thunder]

Race?

[dire hinge]

the "Race to World First", which is when they release the new raid and they pause a lot of changes until after some teams can clear it

[hasty thunder]

So... Meanwhile we are in hopes apex talents do something good?

[vestal smelt]

Spoiler, Apex Talents are not doing something good

[smoky kayak]

apex 1-3 are fine, 4 is ok even if it's just not particularly fun to play with

[vestal smelt]

Oh I meant more in that it won't really boost our ST damage by as much as it currently needs to

I just love how Arms has always had issues of CDs not lining up because of Anger Management etc so they made the final point of the Apex talent something that reduces the CD of a skill lol

At least we don't have Roar anymore

[hasty thunder]

What about AOE dps? Seems single target dps seems to be an issue

[dire hinge]

roar was chill

yeah AoE is fine, but we struggle on single target

[vestal smelt]

The ability was fine, the issue was it never lined up with our CDs

[dire hinge]

it always lined up with every avatar

[vestal smelt]

But not every CS

[dire hinge]

for sure

[vestal smelt]

I think they fixed things with the rework to Anger Management so now it lines Avatar up with CS, but then the apex 4th point just bricks that and makes it desync again lmao

[dire hinge]

yeah, Anger Management is nice since it rewards good gameplay, but i do miss shadowlands when things aligned

[vestal smelt]

Like I still don't like that Demolish isn't synced with the CDR it gets from teh hero talent. I know it will often be close enough (within 5 seconds or so) but it still relies on things going smoothly

I would personally either like Anger Management affect EVERY major CD or they just remove it completely and we are just a 45s/1.5m class

[nova marsh]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1423008987699351643/1470880222911139980/ArmsBladestormCat.gif

[long thicket]

TY fyi

[slow saddle]

Aoe is fine if we talent so hard intonit. we do tank dmg in st u mean

[tawdry quail]

Give overpower some rage gain

[slow saddle]

Sooo u meab like it used to

Tbh add a bit baseline more rage + let op give rage sub 35% as b4

[weak wave]

😄

[sacred zodiac]

Bro is abbauen the Frustration

[olive nest]

Frustration, no doubt

[valid walrus]

Is HS at least satisfying to press? (I didn't touch the beta at all)

[olive nest]

Sure it’s fun, another proc to react too

[dawn stag]

My life is a party

[daring flicker]

Is your home the club?

[dawn stag]

yes

[modern dune]

hey guys, good evening

I'm looking to dust up my warrior

and I was wondering, how's arms looking for midnight?

[rapid bronze]

are we not really supposed to press SS anymore? with current rage regen on some dummies I always end up with CS back up with 1 charge left or so

I might be just fucking up the rotation I guess

[dim basalt]

Why do we have 2 Spongies now

[bleak arrow]

Sell me on full sending arms. Still debating specs.

[dire hinge]

it does fine in AoE but it's quite weak in single target currently

[dire hinge]

Play what you like imho. Arms is gonna be a hard sell numerically right now, but also: arms fun

[dire hinge]

If you have stacks remaining and CS is back, just send CS.

with low haste, especially at the start of the expansion, this might happen occasionally. But don't overthink the priority too hard: only cast SS if you don't have stacks.

i've been punching dummies for a bit and i usually have 6-8 seconds left on CS when i run out of stacks. Even if CS will be back soon, that's multiple GCDs that aren't being swept. Fill those downtimes with your SS so that you're always doing maximum damage.

[rapid bronze]

it might because I've been testing it with fury gear still

thanks for the explainer ❤️

[valid grove]

is it just me or is arms boss dps in m+ just absent currently? in 2 target cleave im dealing the same as my dk or lock does singletarget

[obsidian otter]

You playing colossus or slayer ?

[dire hinge]

of course! happy to help

[dire hinge]

yeah, arms single target is really rough right now, especially for Colossus

[bleak arrow]

Maybe I’ll give it a try. Been furypilled my whole warrior life.

My raids used to me doing bad damage so shouldn’t matter!

[valid grove]

colossus
should i try slayer m+ build?

[dire hinge]

it's free to try yeah

[valid grove]

i guess ill give it a try

[dire hinge]

nothing matters much in prepatch, so now is the time to test stuff

[obsidian otter]

That’s entirely up to which you enjoy. Colossus single target is tank level dps for sure atm. Prepatch is just a transition phase of the game getting all the new systems transferred to live. I wouldn’t worry too much much about it atm just play the spec you enjoy. Both specs need damage tuning. Which may come
Soon or later but it should be coming for sure.

[valid grove]

dont worry i dont take the prepatch too serious i just get mocked by friends when playing non-meta specs 🤣
slayer is still not perfect but at least it feels better then colossus

but still warrior is more fun than unholy right now......

[bleak arrow]

I would rather a one trick then some disgusting FOTM on their 5th main 3 weeks into the tier getting pissy they’re not being fed gear because they’re the GOAT and really need to dominate the 14-16 key meta.

Mock your friends back.

[slow saddle]

Step 1 turn off meters

2 step arms is great

[valid grove]

o i dont care 🤣
and i dont really think about meta i just play every class if i like it no matter what

[slow saddle]

I mean to an extend, it is not fun raiding mythic or m+ in higher keys, and feel u are holdin a grp up

Coz ya spec is just bad

[obsidian otter]

I like how slayer feels arms and fury slayer. Depending on what spec you run you can experience issues with rage during execute phase on slayer Arms. Fury you always have a button to press every GCD. Slayer arms does aswell if your executing priority right and not just spamming you always have GCD filled in aoe and single target

[slow saddle]

But also warrior being bad is not a prepatch issue

Its a warrior issue

[bleak arrow]

Too bad no thane arms. Seems like it woulda been cool.

[slow saddle]

100%

Empowered ms and big claps

[obsidian otter]

Specially when we already had to use thunderclap to spread rend…

[valid grove]

i liked the overpower buffing cleave and mortal strike in tww idk why they removed that
and the mastery is as boring as a mastery could be
i mean "wield 2h weapon deal more damage"
it just scales better than versatility in terms of damage but cmon

[slow saddle]

Nah even without i feel the theme works rly well with how arms plays

[slow saddle]

Coz it sucked

Its one of the worst things to have

U do not want that many amplifiers as it makes a naked ms bad

[obsidian otter]

We still don’t go mastery we go crit/haste in midnight

[slow saddle]

Crit - haste is just sweet

Haste is the best feelin secondary

[valid grove]

i know
i just think the mastery itself is boring^^

[obsidian otter]

I like seeing almost 500k MS hits 😆

[slow saddle]

I mean the mastery is perfect now

Basic

Easier to tune

[valid grove]

i like synergies between skills but thats just me^^

but luckily we dont have another cp build and spend mechanic

[obsidian otter]

We still have the OP/slam buffing MS it just doesn’t buff cleave anymore still decent boost for MS in single target

[slow saddle]

Problem is

Avatar cs op ep = big ms

No crit big sad

So its all about layers

[dire hinge]

arms loves layers (of buffs on top of mortal strike)

[normal dune]

i hear really bad things about arms but it always was one of my favourite specs from whole wow

will i be actively shooting myself in the foot by not playing fury or its not that dramatic

[slow saddle]

Feet will be shot atm, but tuning hasnt been done

[normal dune]

true

when is that expected to happen

[slow saddle]

Heroic week?

[minor gust]

Yee nothings final till that heroic week patch so if you genuinely need to know what's best wait till then

But as of right now it's deadge

[slow saddle]

Id guess
Unless they use prepatch numbers but doubtfull

[bleak arrow]

How far apart are colossus and slayer for keys/raid? if I just wanted to get cozy one one of them?

[slow saddle]

<---->

This far

[bleak arrow]

Okay that doesn’t look too far.

[slow saddle]

Facts

[minor gust]

Last Sims for midnight had them about 3-3.5% apart for ST

So they're not that far apart currently.

Slayer gonna be quite a bit behind for keys tho. Well see how that changes

[bleak arrow]

Okay, so 3% in ST and colossus better in keys so sounds like if I wanna F with just one I can feel cozy with the colossus

Thanks!

[slow saddle]

Im guessin thats in m+.spec

Not in raid specs?

[minor gust]

No in raid

Fishy posted some Sims last night

Their ST in m+ spec is pretty similar too but Colo pulls way ahead in AOE.

[slow saddle]

Sadge

[spare tree]

arms vs tuning ressembles igon vs bayle

[gaunt owl]

its a never ending cycle on repeat actually

Fury get the same treatment too

[minor gust]

Sounds about right.

We surely are blizzards favorite class

[slow saddle]

Fury has been better a lot lately

Again i only compare fury vs arms. To do anythin else just depresses me🤣

Brown on brown

[bleak arrow]

From what I hear comparing brown on brown is also currently somewhat depressing

[slow saddle]

Depends which side u on

[bleak arrow]

Not sure yet

[spiral coral]

Always has been

[wooden lava]

is arms deadge next xpac?

everyone i ask says it's no bueno

is it really hopeless

[empty sluice]

Do we now press cleave on st with m+ builds because of mortal wounds? dmg tooltip is almost the same for those two spells

[minor gust]

In its current state yes, but tuning isn't finished yet

[wooden lava]

is the gameplay still the same

[minor gust]

gameplay is basically the same as TWW with 1 more proc to react to and no more 5 different SD conditionals

[minor gust]

you made me log onto retail to double check the tooltips because that sounded silly. I see no reason to not press cleave over slam in ST.

basically the same dmg but cleave has a chance for a DW stack so thats for sure worth considering you dont really have talents like MP in a M+ build

[bleak arrow]

wait, can you not track sweeping strikes as a buff in the CDM?

[minor gust]

you can

[fresh spire]

Cleave also can't proc Heroic strike where Slam can is also a trade off

[minor gust]

I assumed he was talkin prepatch

so I didnt account for apex

[fresh spire]

im fully expecting cleave to get re-nerfed 😄

[minor gust]

nerf cleave buff DN and BS

and we can find happiness

[fresh spire]

imagine throwing a 20-30% aura onto arms with cleave as it is

[bleak arrow]

am i missing it somewhere?

[fresh spire]

i don't know if buffing bladestorm buffs hit both specs

[minor gust]

really does feel like the class devs work flow is alphabetical and by the time they get to warrior they just phone it in because they are ready to go home

[minor gust]

it should

[fresh spire]

I know @dire hinge (sorry for tag) had this issue also where sweep was missing

i can't remember for the life of me how he fixed it

[minor gust]

I remember Archi talking about how fury and arms BS is linked

even tho they are different

[fresh spire]

prayge for further buffs

fury using avatar over bs is fuckin so funny thouh

fully not using the haste from bladestorm/unhinged for just raw % is amusing

[minor gust]

so is me pressing cleave now in ST if I ever decide to do a prepatch key for some reason

[dire hinge]

in the bottom left corner change your dropdown from 11 to Starter Layout or a new profile.
I have a more detailed breakdown here: Finding Missing Buffs and Spells in the CDM

no idea why it happens, incredibly annoying

[fresh spire]

i havne't checked cleaves value in st since the buff. proooooooobs should

[minor gust]

I just showed my tooltips on live

basically same dmg as slam

soooooo

[bleak arrow]

wow, thanks

[dire hinge]

no problemo! Happy the fix is easy at least 🎉

[minor gust]

gonna have to see whats worth more on beta a potential DW stack or Apex proc

[fresh spire]

2/3 of apex is worth some solid %

so im not too worried over that

cleaving when ravager up is a gain :ohno

[minor gust]

heres the part where you just say it is worth in hopes blizz will nerf cleave

[fresh spire]

cleaving over slam is a further gain

holy no

not like this

[minor gust]

[dire hinge]

[minor gust]

here I thought no way its just a prepatch thing

[bleak arrow]

bet, remove slam embrace cleave supremacy

[fresh spire]

3 slam casts over 5 mins if you cleave instead

not like this

[minor gust]

@empty sluice way to go man see what you've done now

[fresh spire]

this is with ovm, maybe not case with bleeds

[dire hinge]

thank goodness we got rid of those pesky weakauras, now we can play the game like it was truly intended

[fresh spire]

Mortal strike
Cleave (ravager up)
Execute (sd)
overpower
rend <5 seconds
cleave
slam

800 dps

[minor gust]

yikes

[dire hinge]

3 😂

@fresh spire for simplicity's sake, what's the diff of just not using basic slam at all

[fresh spire]

ofc you don't talent cleave normally so you wouldn't use it in st

[bleak arrow]

you do for keys tho

soooo

[minor gust]

yeah would just be in a key build

[dire hinge]

ofc yeah

[fresh spire]

this is using a key build where max cleave talents are taken for most part

time to check cleave in st with ST set up

:ohno

[dire hinge]

assuming this still reacts to Heroic Strike procs too

[bleak arrow]

its good

always be cleaving

[minor gust]

guys the boss is in execute my cleave gona do giga dmg to the ST boss

[fresh spire]

i mean i kinda fuck with it to cleave over slam if you take it

[minor gust]

another button to press nbd but im sure blizz is not gonna like it

[fresh spire]

probs more gain to cleave in exeucte range which isn't added either

[dire hinge]

in a world without WA's i'll happily take a simplified rotation for a minimal dps loss

[minor gust]

for colo def since colo cant even press exe

without killing itself

[fresh spire]

hahaha

cleave>execute in execute range +1k dps

🤣

[minor gust]

HOLY

need to pin that

[fresh spire]

this is fucking dumb

[bleak arrow]

fr fr, ill lose buttons for 2-3% idgaf, im old

someone give me a no execute version

cmash, op, ms, cleave, thats it

[minor gust]

@dim basalt im sure you will get a kick outta this

[fresh spire]

honestly though

if i can pick cleave up on ST and its a gain

👀

colossus cleave weaving, this is also with like 25% crit

[minor gust]

It would actually be good for raid

[fresh spire]

so more odds to deep wounds as expansion goes on

[minor gust]

to be able to have cleave available

[dire hinge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/not-like-this-the-matrix

[minor gust]

if you can somehow make cleave in ST worth even with the slam talents like MP or the other 2

[bleak arrow]

turns out after cooking arms has less buttons than fire mage

[minor gust]

still gotta press slam tho

3 times every 5 min!

[fresh spire]

execute may depend if you take mass execution too

[rare kite]

i mean it has more buttons, we apparently just don't press them tho

wrong reply

@bleak arrow

[bleak arrow]

kek

[fresh spire]

seems just taking cleave on raw ST isn't worth using over slam, thats with ovm taken also, trying to work out why in dungeon build its worth pressing over slam while its not in st with cleave

Mass execution for sure makes the difference in execute

[minor gust]

doesnt ST build take the slam talents like MP and the other that increases tac proc chance from slam

[fresh spire]

i think thats the difference

[rare kite]

hmh regular slam can proc HS tho, is that not enough?

[minor gust]

I would assume thats just the reason why slam value starts to pull ahead

[fresh spire]

2 reasons to slam vs 1

[minor gust]

its not enough

[rare kite]

man they really need to buff HS, it should hit hard

[fresh spire]

yeh dont have MP in standard build

thats the dif, but it lets me add checks now

[minor gust]

cleave prob should be nerfed too. especially if worth using in ST Blizz does not want that

[fresh spire]

its only worth using in st though if you have Ovm + no MP

which isn't going to be often

[minor gust]

but still the potential is there

a fight with any amount of adds

[rare kite]

yeah, cleave is insane right now. still don't understand what they were smoking with the ms/exe nerf

[minor gust]

would swing in cleaves favor

[fresh spire]

i mean i think the next tuning we get we will end up getting -% on cleave for what ever the aura is

so cleave is kept the same as it is now while everything else is buffed hard

[rare kite]

-% cleave +%HS and then aura%

[minor gust]

BS is def gonna recieve another buff

so we can expect that

Fury is still using ava

[fresh spire]

so funny

[rare kite]

yea it needs it. doesn't help that they nerfed ms so arms unhinged got indirectly nerfed

[minor gust]

really wish we got some dev notes on that last round of tuning. Even if its just an attempt and making the breakdown look better the MS and Exe nerfs and a cleave buff is just a massive head scratcher

[bleak arrow]

yeah but how much content is true single target

[minor gust]

raid

[bleak arrow]

not all bosses

[minor gust]

like half usually

[rare kite]

in midnight i have heard that there's very little pure st. i haven't really paid attention to the midnight raidfights tho

[fresh spire]

top is best st set up i found before this cleave shit
2nd is cleave+ ravager no ct

👀

[minor gust]

not far off lmao

[bleak arrow]

tbh, 1k to spam cleave im good with for my brain

[fresh spire]

this is only using cleave in ravager though

[bleak arrow]

whats full replace slam

[rare kite]

is it with crushing combo?

[fresh spire]

nah its taking TE

[rare kite]

makes sense. crushing combo being the play on st would have been crazy

[minor gust]

nah cleave isnt that good

its basically fighting for a spot as our filler

[fresh spire]

CC is -0.6% behind TE

[fresh spire]

honestly think next tuning will shoot this shit anyway

aint no way cleave doesn't get nerfed when the aura comes

[bleak arrow]

what am i looking at

oh, nevermind

i still wanna see a full send cleave compare

[fresh spire]

its like -900 more for full send

[minor gust]

Yeah for sure still funny AF to see

[fresh spire]

[bleak arrow]

its blizz just as likely they buff cleave again

[bleak arrow]

what to do with my sims, so much lower than my fury

[rare kite]

untalent a few points into fury to make them even

[glacial pebble]

🙃 https://youtube.com/shorts/eq-nprAwAeA?si=9dgXKdjea1qfktr7

[bleak arrow]

i picked a hell of a time to give arms a try

[jovial hare]

[bleak arrow]

At least I can stay busy for a few days reading about arms I got no clue what any of this shit is wonder why the apex is!

[dim basalt]

[empty sluice]

what have I started 😄

[slow saddle]

Tbh i wouldnt mind if it was by far hardest hittin ability. That way got decent st in any build

[north forge]

tuning aside because both warrior dps specs are kinda in the gutter at the moment (shocker)
I really want to play arms more through midnight. Testing it now i think both the specs feel pretty good but i have the same age old gripe where it doesnt feel like tactician procs enough and also im coming across constant rage starvation outside of cooldown windows. Am i alone in this or is there a way around it?

[steep osprey]

Both aren't

[north forge]

lmao thats such a skyhold response thanks man. Fury was overnerfed on reset imo but back to the arms question...

[steep osprey]

I don't know about gutter but Arms is certainly in a worse state than Fury

I think Fury is more than fine

[steep osprey]

More of a breakdown tuning than the other

Actual buffs mostly come in the form of aura buffs

[north forge]

dont you know, not S tier top dps = gutter.
ANyway back to the arms question RE rage starvation. Is it something that can be worked around on single target mostly

[steep osprey]

I have no clue but I do think that Arms rage should be fine with Battlelord

[latent moss]

i was looking for an excuse to send these 2 screenshots

too good

[reef glade]

maybe just washed chuzz?

[latent moss]

sl critcake no diffs current critcake im afraid

sl critcake gapping people in m+ as arms...

[reef glade]

real

[halcyon valve]

[bleak arrow]

Cool cherry picked random log lets try and be ethical in our conversation and find one from a player that knows the class better. This is clearly bait and a noob warrior.

[steep osprey]

True and real

[daring heron]

true....

[narrow flax]

https://tenor.com/view/ocean-park-roy-chiken-chicken-rooster-gif-15719325597742543552

[latent moss]

facts

[scenic umbra]

Total facts

We are not doomed at all

[spiral coral]

“That’s such a Skyhold response, thanks man”

Is gonna be my new catch phrase here.

[bleak arrow]

They shoulda done a season 4 Im so bored of the midnight waiting room.

[last saddle]

this is a betrayal...

[slow saddle]

Wasnt he mage b4 war

[last saddle]

yea in like tbc

[fresh spire]

just to recap the sim shit from last night.
if you are playing dungeon build in keys it's worth in single target to cleave>slam if you don't have martial prowess taken.
its worth the cleave>execute if you have mass execution taken
during ravager it has highest prio behind demolish and mortal strike

[last saddle]

im glad i wont have to think about that because I will never be accepted into a key as arms warrior

[fresh spire]

real and true

[ashen elm]

Dam. Is Warrior that bad? lol

[fresh spire]

Arms is in a pretty bad spot with ST

ofc other classes are also overtuned but in that consideration arms is currently grossly undertuned for st

[last saddle]

i think he just trying mage for fun, has grinded warrior beta for like a million hours in the last week and there hasnt been any balance changes

[spare tree]

impossible to understand why they would reduce single target ability damage on a spec that was already underperforming

[last saddle]

im hoping they are just experimenting with damage profiles because they were unhappy with how it was

[spare tree]

its just crazy

[fresh spire]

To level out the damage profile of the abilities across the spec so they can aura buff every ability so they stay the same later

Cleave got over buffed

It's easier to nerf 3 things then buff everything with bigger aura than buff 10things and small aura

[slow saddle]

@daring heron so mage vs arms its prettty close right?

[bleak arrow]

Confirming that his warrior parse was in line with a lack of skill. Critcake? More like Critwashed.

[slow saddle]

Also plz do a key only using 1 button rotation

[bleak arrow]

(this is a bit and I know crit is good please forgive my boredom for anyone not able to clearly identify this shitpost)

[last saddle]

he is probably less good at arcane mage than warrior

​​I've been playing WoW for a month now, I tried a few specs and then arcane and I'm addicted. even if they nerf it I feel like it's just designed busted..mages ftw

[bleak arrow]

He’s also top overall on the other meter I cut out lol

[bleak arrow]

We should just use as warrior a 20% loss of 0 is 0 so objectively the best SBA class.

[slow saddle]

I wanted 2 c 1 button mage vs his best as war

[bleak arrow]

1 button warlock is the way, but I bet arcane fucks too. Lots of casts.

Although, the SBA rotation on beta seems like abandonware not updated from some of the shit I’ve experienced. Lock straight up didn’t cast seed half the time and fury was hitting rend as #1 over bladestorm in AOE if a single mob didn’t have the dot up. People wanted SBA nerfs and I think blizzards immediate abandonment of it post release will show.

[fresh spire]

https://youtube.com/shorts/eq-nprAwAeA?si=eZCwKpjLTtZWgBUD

[slow saddle]

Combat potions nerfed

So we got buffed!!!

[bleak arrow]

Fake news. Used buttons then random avatar after. Clear sandbagging.

Warrior is fine buff mage.

[shadow ibex]

"I'll avatar too fuck it"

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-duck-gif-13236181837901593958

[minor gust]

Super secret giga tech that only elite arms player will know

😎

Guys this cleave tech will make you do more ST than an arcane or Demo be sure to spread it around

[thick hamlet]

this is the real biggest problem with arms

[slow saddle]

Facts

[obsidian otter]

I pugged as arms on midnight beta to keystone master then keystone legend. Where I was top or second dps almost every key that was before the OP/MS nerf not gonna lie since the change we do significant less single target are aoe is about the same sustained burst still about 400-600k dps with pot and lust about 200-300k without but overall we lost about 40-50k in total damage going from 160-180k DPS overall to now barely getting 130-140k dps overall. It sucks for sure atm in beta midnight and this is the first time I’ve said it actually sucks this is slayer not colossus 😂

[untold trench]

Getting nerfed while under 200k, ouchie. Guess they just wanted to adjust dam profile, and aura buff is inc next

[obsidian otter]

I project will be B tier season one even after the changes 😢

[untold trench]

This be warrior life

[bleak arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/garrosh-orgrimmar-walking-warcraft-gif-16112512

[obsidian otter]

I mean play style wise they got AOE Rend(4s refresh)Cleave<SD Proc<OP<MS not counting CD/Aatar/BS CDs I still wish they would just get rid of rend management and bake that damage into something else

[bleak arrow]

Ignore rend to cleave. ABCs. Always be cleaving.

[minor gust]

Gotta cleave for that ST now it will for sure save us

[obsidian otter]

If your ignoring rend you might as well ignore slam and HS as rend does more damage then both of them in a mythic plus run lol

Rend does more than your deepwounds might aswell just untalent that aswell if we’re ignoring rend

[bleak arrow]

Can’t hear you over the sound of my cleave carrying. What did you say?

[obsidian otter]

I mean throw away free 12k dps 😂 I’ll be getting that dps while cleaving and Bladstorming

[bleak arrow]

huh? what?

I’m sure the meme will die before launch. Don’t be so serious.

[obsidian otter]

I don’t cross bridges

[minor gust]

[fresh spire]

holy kai cenet i stole all the crypto

<@&257983573498265600>

[cosmic halo]

Tried arm slayer on mm, it's fun to play, but dmg are shit. Even with full SD proc i was outdpsed

[olive nest]

Oh yeah it’s comically bad right now

[cosmic halo]

MS doesnt feel impactful at all

[bleak arrow]

Just gotta go do a legion raid you’ll feel strong

[cosmic halo]

Hahah

It's sad cause the hero spec is really fun, all the rs proc are so satisfying

But too low dmg

[minor gust]

Tuning still on going but gameplay is finalized. So good to know you find it fun because there's really what matters.

Tho if the next round of tuning is just aura buffs then slayer is probably cooked for m+

[bleak arrow]

Shoulda been thane arm and an execute heavy slyer tank

Alternatively all 3 hero talents for each

They’re good at balancing so nothing would go wrong

[forest portal]

Anyone here using ArcUI that could help me with a sweeping strikes CDM thing?

Wondering if it's possible to get the CDM to show the sweeping strike stacks if you have the buff, if not it'll show sweeping strikes cooldown?

[minor gust]

Shouldn't need ArcUI for that Blizz default will have a buff tracking option for SS. Unless your talking about having the stacks appear on SS itself in the cooldown part?

[forest portal]

Basically trying to get it so the icons overlap, as it is now I need two icons unless I'm missing something else where

That's how I've got it at the moment

Bottom one shows when I have stacks, be it from Broad strokes or pushing SS itself

Trying to get it so i can have it all on just 1 icon

but I'm thinking that's not possible?

[bleak arrow]

personally i like sweeping strikes to be little tick marks with arcUI

[forest portal]

Ooh that is a smart idea

Thank you for the idea 🙂

[minor gust]

Ooo I like this gonna have to steal for whenever I decide to stop being lazy and make my UI

[bleak arrow]

fuck, im supposed to shit post not be valuable

[brisk cipher]

dog devs

[dire hinge]

i say this every day at work tbh

[warm thistle]

What happened to ARMS warrior?

Feels kinda ass

[spare tree]

they took the front away

only ass remains

[ivory crow]

Hello warrior fans. Im new here and have a question as im learning Arms Warrior. Can you macro sweeping strikes into a core ability like mortal strike or another ability to keep up time on sweeping strikes?

[fresh spire]

Sweep has a half GCD so you can't macro it if your trying to use an attack at the same time

[minor gust]

Gameplay ass or numbers ass?

Cuz gameplay it's basically the same

[boreal bay]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/massive-class-tuning-incoming-on-february-17th-reset-for-midnight-pre-patch-380383?utm_source=discord-webhook

what now?

[grave mulch]

MORE

NERFS

HOLYYYYYYYYY FUCK

[boreal bay]

why tho

[grave mulch]

Because they legit fucking hate us for NO reason

[sour forge]

As a fury man. I’m so sorry arms

[grave mulch]

Arcane got more buffs

[sour forge]

Didn’t they get nerfed

[boreal bay]

Yeah they got nerfed

[grave mulch]

Wait it was nerfed

[dense aspen]

Stopping by to pass my sympathy to the arms lifers

I was legit looking into it this expansion but holy fuck, sorry fellas

[grave mulch]

We got murdered

so badly

[sour forge]

Majority of the changes are nerfs

At least at a glance that’s what it looked like

[rare kite]

LMAOOO

MORE NERFS

[empty sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-joe-pesci-pesci-what-gif-10718026964868693743

[pseudo crow]

arms was not already a dead spec ?

[wide apex]

not a thing the dev fears besides fear itself (and making arms good)

[grave mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1400621957921374269/riparms.gif

[earnest imp]

was arms any good before the nerfs?

[boreal bay]

They should include dev notes for absolutely all specs, I don't understand the reasoning on so many changes man

not only for arms

[grave mulch]

Look at the update channel we have copped so many

[wide apex]

arms was massively overperforming in the devs m+ group on beta

community is just sandbagging. they're the experts

[graceful sun]

What did we DO?

[hallow quail]

Yeah heaven forbid colossus do any fuckin dmg ever

[graceful sun]

Because it wasn't damage.

[rare kite]

no hahahha

that's the funny part

[wide apex]

gods plan

[boreal bay]

I mean, aoe wasnt that bad, but ST is just TERRIBLE

[hasty pumice]

@slow saddle @fresh spire we're fucking cooked

Nerfing a spec that's just been nerfed without needing either

[spare tree]

nerfed over and over and over

[hasty pumice]

"hey guys we saw in the beta that some people wanted to play arms and be excited so we decided to fucking shoot it"

[wide apex]

what music was the dev listening to when they decided on these nerfs

[hasty pumice]

There's still hope for a huge aura buff and they're just adjusting all single spells to do what they want them to do

Into big aura buff, prayge

[hallow quail]

Chat gpt ass nerfs

[spare tree]

huh

get that slam under control

[edgy spindle]

SHUT DOWN THE DISCORD

[boreal remnant]

someone at blizzard really hates arms

[reef glade]

why in gods name is this spec ever getting nerfed lol

they gotta be braindamaged or what

o wow pvp buff huge

[sweet tangle]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[stable fiber]

"hey guys, we know prot warrior was meta in raid last tier, so instead of switching it around we are going to make dps warrior so ass that you are forced to take prot warrior again"

[lament kraken]

did they leave sticky keys on when they decided to nerf us wth?

[boreal remnant]

is that why the other buffs/nerfs were aura buffs or nerfs

if this was a breakdown adjustment in wait for an aura buff they could've just put the aura buff now

and the fact that they give aura buffs to other classes makes me doubt it even more

[sudden topaz]

To be fair quite a few specs were nerfed way worse than we were

But it's ridiculous that we were

[unique bridge]

I thought I had a right to bear arms!

[rapid bronze]

Lots of other specs got nerfed but they were already doing giga damage like arcane and demo. Arms got curb stomped after getting shot

[karmic moat]

u know why enh never gets nerfed? cos their discord is fucking DEAD and doesnt have 5 turboautists simming every single variable every single hour of the day, THEY FLY UNDER THE RADAR meanwhile our buff gets annoucned and 5 minutes later we got a full scientific paper detailing how its a 11.959185% buff with 0% margin of error u did this to yourselves. the nerf is because of hubris.... you people were not satisfied with being a strong spec. You had to rub it in everyone's faces. You're autistic, period. HUMAN NATURE dictates that you will be jealous of your neighbour if he has more than you, so why do you RUB all those insane sims in other classes' faces? here and all over wowhead? What did you expect to happen? that shit ass warlocks would look on those numbers and be like "oh good for them"? so fucking dumb

[chrome fulcrum]

u know why enh never gets nerfed? cos their discord is fucking DEAD and doesnt have 5 turboautists simming every single variable every single hour of the day, THEY FLY UNDER THE RADAR meanwhile our buff gets annoucned and 5 minutes later we got a full scientific paper detailing how its a 11.959185% buff with 0% margin of error u did this to yourselves. the nerf is because of hubris.... you people were not satisfied with being a strong spec. You had to rub it in everyone's faces. You're autistic, period. HUMAN NATURE dictates that you will be jealous of your neighbour if he has more than you, so why do you RUB all those insane sims in other classes' faces? here and all over wowhead? What did you expect to happen? that shit ass warlocks would look on those numbers and be like "oh good for them"? so fucking dumb

[sick thorn]

i just try single target colossus and its even better than slayer i mean why!

[mental cedar]

Most of those specs were just buffed like a week ago tho

[bleak arrow]

u know why enh never gets nerfed? cos their discord is fucking DEAD and doesnt have 5 turboautists simming every single variable every single hour of the day, THEY FLY UNDER THE RADAR meanwhile our buff gets annoucned and 5 minutes later we got a full scientific paper detailing how its a 11.959185% buff with 0% margin of error u did this to yourselves. the nerf is because of hubris.... you people were not satisfied with being a strong spec. You had to rub it in everyone's faces. You're autistic, period. HUMAN NATURE dictates that you will be jealous of your neighbour if he has more than you, so why do you RUB all those insane sims in other classes' faces? here and all over wowhead? What did you expect to happen? that shit ass warlocks would look on those numbers and be like "oh good for them"? so fucking dumb

[coral crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-a-surgeon-dr-han-the-good-doctor-discord-bubble-discord-speech-bubble-gif-1845193550933450334

[boreal remnant]

u know why enh never gets nerfed? cos their discord is fucking DEAD and doesnt have 5 turboautists simming every single variable every single hour of the day, THEY FLY UNDER THE RADAR meanwhile our buff gets annoucned and 5 minutes later we got a full scientific paper detailing how its a 11.959185% buff with 0% margin of error u did this to yourselves. the nerf is because of hubris.... you people were not satisfied with being a strong spec. You had to rub it in everyone's faces. You're autistic, period. HUMAN NATURE dictates that you will be jealous of your neighbour if he has more than you, so why do you RUB all those insane sims in other classes' faces? here and all over wowhead? What did you expect to happen? that shit ass warlocks would look on those numbers and be like "oh good for them"? so fucking dumb

[minor gust]

u know why enh never gets nerfed? cos their discord is fucking DEAD and doesnt have 5 turboautists simming every single variable every single hour of the day, THEY FLY UNDER THE RADAR meanwhile our buff gets annoucned and 5 minutes later we got a full scientific paper detailing how its a 11.959185% buff with 0% margin of error u did this to yourselves. the nerf is because of hubris.... you people were not satisfied with being a strong spec. You had to rub it in everyone's faces. You're autistic, period. HUMAN NATURE dictates that you will be jealous of your neighbour if he has more than you, so why do you RUB all those insane sims in other classes' faces? here and all over wowhead? What did you expect to happen? that shit ass warlocks would look on those numbers and be like "oh good for them"? so fucking dumb

[echo bridge]

u know why enh never gets nerfed? cos their discord is fucking DEAD and doesnt have 5 turboautists simming every single variable every single hour of the day, THEY FLY UNDER THE RADAR meanwhile our buff gets annoucned and 5 minutes later we got a full scientific paper detailing how its a 11.959185% buff with 0% margin of error u did this to yourselves. the nerf is because of hubris.... you people were not satisfied with being a strong spec. You had to rub it in everyone's faces. You're autistic, period. HUMAN NATURE dictates that you will be jealous of your neighbour if he has more than you, so why do you RUB all those insane sims in other classes' faces? here and all over wowhead? What did you expect to happen? that shit ass warlocks would look on those numbers and be like "oh good for them"? so fucking dumb

[gusty nymph]

u know why enh never gets nerfed? cos their discord is fucking DEAD and doesnt have 5 turboautists simming every single variable every single hour of the day, THEY FLY UNDER THE RADAR meanwhile our buff gets annoucned and 5 minutes later we got a full scientific paper detailing how its a 11.959185% buff with 0% margin of error u did this to yourselves. the nerf is because of hubris.... you people were not satisfied with being a strong spec. You had to rub it in everyone's faces. You're autistic, period. HUMAN NATURE dictates that you will be jealous of your neighbour if he has more than you, so why do you RUB all those insane sims in other classes' faces? here and all over wowhead? What did you expect to happen? that shit ass warlocks would look on those numbers and be like "oh good for them"? so fucking dumb

[rapid bronze]

u know why enh never gets nerfed? cos their discord is fucking DEAD and doesnt have 5 turboautists simming every single variable every single hour of the day, THEY FLY UNDER THE RADAR meanwhile our buff gets annoucned and 5 minutes later we got a full scientific paper detailing how its a 11.959185% buff with 0% margin of error u did this to yourselves. the nerf is because of hubris.... you people were not satisfied with being a strong spec. You had to rub it in everyone's faces. You're autistic, period. HUMAN NATURE dictates that you will be jealous of your neighbour if he has more than you, so why do you RUB all those insane sims in other classes' faces? here and all over wowhead? What did you expect to happen? that shit ass warlocks would look on those numbers and be like "oh good for them"? so fucking dumb

[sudden fox]

Clown devs

[bleak arrow]

their internal simcraft must be mega borked

[manic egret]

well he cant rename the game so he is messing warrior

[dim jay]

implying they have one and aren't just feelycrafting it

[minor gust]

we are too aggressive so we are being toned down

[dim jay]

war in the name warrior, we fuckin played ourselves

[gusty nymph]

If you wait long enough, someone will come along to explain how great arms is… let s be pallies and close the place 🫣

[dim jay]

look at the bright side

at least its not mop prepatch

[shy roost]

Something something their internal arms warrior is Saurfang and Saurfang memes

Not to kick while the spec is down but has arms ever had an entire expansion of being strong like fury has?

[quiet hare]

Internal testing

[bleak arrow]

is that a drumb stick?

[rare kite]

uhh no. it is not

[mortal rivet]

poor arms

what did they do wrong

[boreal remnant]

it's a bong xd

[bleak arrow]

ahh, image is blurred because i havent submitted my ID yet

[shy roost]

It is not a bong. It is a crackpipe

[ivory crow]

I would think that if a class is getting damage nerfs it normally means the class is stronger then what is being reported. So for all we know arms could be A or S tier and we just cant see the data.

I have hope Arms is gonna be good and peoples emotions are just getting to them.

[bleak arrow]

yeah, i assume the logs of crit playing are just an example of a player that doesnt really know how warrior works and performed badly

[rapid bronze]

Any lower than this and we should respec prot for a third raid tank to do more damage

[shy roost]

Yeah, critcake is fairly new to warrior I believe. He's not yet had the chance to get good enough to really shine at the spec

[river tapir]

Critcake is sandbagging the logs so we can enjoy it on live

[spare tree]

critcake playing mage tomorrow lol

[shy roost]

Shhh sandbagging is like birthday wishes, if you say it out loud it won't come true

[rapid bronze]

Looks like his sandbagging didn’t work then

[tawdry quail]

Is this after the nerf that just happened?

[river tapir]

Noted

[rapid bronze]

The nerf isn’t live yet

[tawdry quail]

Oh bruh, that still seems bad

The log from crit too, he knows how to play warrior right, so damn

[fresh spire]

[shy roost]

That mage got nerfed about 20% so they'll only be 32m damage

[river tapir]

You can go afk now as arms, so its very good for casuals

[shy roost]

Yes, he's consistently one of the highest rated warriors for m+ so it's very bad

[bleak arrow]

its kinda low key broken we're so much higher than the healer

[shy roost]

Don't worry, they've buffed healer damage

[spare tree]

healers got a pretty good buff

[rapid bronze]

Well they buffed all the healers and nerfed us so if you’re really committed to bringing a warrior to your mplus group you’re better off with them as a second tank or just bring 2 healers and you’ll have same dps 🤣

[tawdry quail]

Doesn’t this mean that you will just NEVER get invited to an M+ if u pug? (Unless they fix it)

[river tapir]

Most people will assume your Not braindead and think you play fury

[dire dust]

They dont have a clue what to do with arms lets be real, the spec is a mess. I could live with being mehh tier if the spec was fun to play, but it just isnt. They need to simplify it. Put everything into mortal strike and cleave

[rapid bronze]

We’ve never really been an attractive invite to keys except for fury this last season and even then it wasn’t out of this world

[tawdry quail]

Isn’t fury not all that as well

[river tapir]

Fury is fine and after the nerfs of other specs even better. Not S tier

[tawdry quail]

What’s ur thoughts on survival hunter after these nerfs?

[ivory crow]

Im gonna play Arms this exp. Regardless on if its bad or not. I just enjoy the class and I just started learning it.

[hallow quail]

https://youtube.com/shorts/eq-nprAwAeA?si=kz0bnq971gOv5KME

[river tapir]

@tawdry quail no idea sry, i saw that the nerf is like 10% Overall. No idea if thats true

[tawdry quail]

That’s fair

[dim jay]

WoD? idk tbh

[river tapir]

@hallow quail nerf it again

BS seems a bit to high

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-coffin-dancing-pallbearers-funeral-dance-gif-16837090

[hallow quail]

listen, we gotta tone down warriors, the WAR is wayyy too intimidating

[river tapir]

Might need a New Name then

[rapid bronze]

At least we have the memes to tide us over to The Last Titan arms rework

[spare tree]

https://klipy.com/gifs/why-are-you-gae-pepe-julien

[river tapir]

Last titan cook gonna be awesome

[shy roost]

Wasn't it kinda bad in BRF?

[echo bridge]

Now introducing the Faerin Lothar class fantasy. Arms will be renamed to Arm.

[ivory crow]

Anyone hyped for the new upgrading system? Check out this link if you have not read up on it https://www.wowhead.com/news/upgrading-gear-on-midnight-beta-now-costs-gold-instead-of-valorstones-380364

Everything gonna cost Gold now to upgrade.

https://tenor.com/view/cat-ree-reee-which-cat-ree-are-you-upset-gif-11571621216713700425

[river tapir]

Dont mind spending 3k Gold for a full Upgrade, thats like 3 Worldquests

Better then valor

Free would be better ofc

[rapid bronze]

Hard to be excited right now about the upgrade system lmao

Someone should sim whether fury with two daggers will outperform colossus next week

[tawdry quail]

How is prot warrior doing? Are they atleast good?

[rapid bronze]

The tanks all seem fine tbh

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/uni-cat-gif-16508948274886257497

[plucky steeple]

Brew looks like it got punched in the dick

[half vine]

Devs mad at gym bro Arms. They are balancing to make sure this is now known as Nerd Arms

[rapid bronze]

Utter woke nonsense

[half vine]

Havoc/Balance/Feral buffed but WW/Arms nerfed...........what is this crazy world?

[oak kite]

did not we have critcake almost outdpssed here by brew monk and got tripled by unholy and mage here just yesterday? and they put more nerfs. lmao

[bleak arrow]

at least we can join keys as prot dps

[rapid bronze]

Switching to third tank prot for higher dps

[elfin compass]

Top 10 pics taken moments before disaster

[oak kite]

yeah look at this then the patch notes then main warrior again. i love anguishing myself in the arse -.-
i know unholy destro mage got nerfed but it does not equalize it.

[kindred breach]

It’s ok bros aura buff soon

Not for warrior, ofc

[elfin compass]

All this in the same patch where they’re uber buffing FoF for WW monks just to get them to use it again

Something like an ~90% buff overall to FoF

Absolutely nutty

[kindred breach]

Hmm, so what you are saying is increase cleave damage? I agree

Gotta use that even in ST

Devs pls take note

[oak kite]

i would say no br, no lust, ap shout when it is caster world, at least let our dps be big -.-

[sacred zodiac]

why do you want big damage in a prepatch

[warped spade]

Don't worry guys. Archi is just trying something out of the caster playbook and has just been sandbagging warriors hard on sims but Blizz is seeing right through it.

[elfin compass]

It’s not just prepatch tho

I don’t even really play Arms much. I main Ret. Yet I still weep for y’all

[kindred breach]

Gotta pull out the fully geared lvl 90 vs boosted level 80s sims

[elfin compass]

Suffering for the sins of Fury

[kindred breach]

We still compete there

[warped spade]

We're still paying for Dragonflight TWW pre-patch

[elfin compass]

Have you all considered shutting down your discord?

Worked for us Rets

[rapid bronze]

I seriously don't know what to play anymore after maining warrior since vanilla

but this is pretty dire lmao

this feels egregious enough to be a reroll angle at this stage

[warped fable]

its okay we'll be getting buffs soon™

[rapid bronze]

idk there were like two tuning passes last season and we stayed dogshit-tier throughout

[warped spade]

If you want something good you can either start paying the mage sub or play devourer

[rapid bronze]

they'll be busy once the expansion launches preparing Dastardly Duos 2.0 electric boogaloo

[dire dust]

Prot is tanky af and is fun to play with all the new utility they got, mini stampede roar is nice, and the silence on wrecking throw. Arms looks DOA tho

[spare tree]

ill just spend money on different games if the spec i like is unusable lol

[rapid bronze]

I thought of mage actually but I doubt arcane survives the next ham-handed tuning pass and they already gutted fire and frost

maybe DK gags

[gusty nymph]

I am surprised we did not the optimists train yet… soon 😅

[elfin compass]

Play Ret

Start sniffing glue, stop thinking

Embrace the mid

You’ll be happier

[quasi comet]

guys i dont know much longer i can take this

[gusty nymph]

Better get used to it. We are commonly abused 🤪

[quasi comet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-wolf-twilight-lUQcU8SW2jDPWbYrsi

[gusty nymph]

That being said, a lot of specs have been severly nerfed. Gameplay (colossus mostly) is still ass but performance might not be too far from the other classes

[rapid bronze]

[warped fable]

🙏

[minor gust]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[gusty nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/gay-sparta-gif-16041639

[misty sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-on-shoulder-jason-hayes-sonny-quinn-seal-team-s6e10-gif-27128695

[deft crow]

its gonna be fine right?

[spare tree]

https://klipy.com/gifs/shon-good-morning-shon

[rare kite]

https://tenor.com/view/padme-4-panel-meme-attack-of-the-clones-padme-meme-anakin-padme-gif-6902972594242919448

[night root]

https://klipy.com/gifs/no-noooo-11

[bleak arrow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/MenInKiltsSTARZ-starz-101-men-in-kilts-E1R01zil6UFl83H9sc

[icy mulch]

Let it begin

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[minor gust]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[hollow herald]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[bleak arrow]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[north forge]

are these the most unwarranted set of nerfs ive ever seen? maybe.
am i shocked? nope.