arms

[limber apex]

dang, alright

[iron root]

I thought I read the sims aren’t accounting for our new mastery yet but yeah it all feels out of context until we are lvl 90 with apex talents

[minor gust]

If you wanna play arms just play arms

[slender sonnet]

just play whats fun content falls over so easy anyway

[minor gust]

Mythic raid bosses fall over like it's nornal, and keys are also not real right now

Just play what you wanna play

[slender sonnet]

I saw some guy on r.io who'd done like a +53 priory

[minor gust]

Tbf those are abusing u nerfed TW gear

[slender sonnet]

Oh

[minor gust]

But still nothing matters right now

[slender sonnet]

yeah

I did a 17 on my druid, that was kinda fun

[nova marsh]

Guys is evrey class braindead now

[dire hinge]

i believe in my ability to mess it up still

[nova marsh]

But hroth ur a gamer

[sudden topaz]

are dragonflight raids soloable now?

[nova marsh]

I've seen some are, but it's absoutlely not worth it until midnight proper drops

No legacy loot till march so your drops are ass

[gusty nymph]

prepatch arms warrior makes wanna cry....

[minor gust]

[teal fossil]

warrior scales

[slender sonnet]

I had to lock in

you know how it be

[dire hinge]

hopefully you found one 🥰

[nova marsh]

we do?

[slender sonnet]

Im a strong independant egirl and I dont need no carry

[dim basalt]

proud of you keep it up 💅

[slender sonnet]

[gray anvil]

Guys, is there an addon to track trinket stacks, like Latent Energy for example ?

[full furnace]

try "better cooldown manager"

[nova marsh]

Any idea why blizzard's DPS meter dosen't reset after each dungeon

[toxic hull]

because everything is undercooked

[cold jungle]

i like fury but when i'm raiding i can feel the carpal tunnel setting in as I mash buttons. is Arms for me?

[sacred zodiac]

sort out your keybinds

unless you have previous issues you should not be experiencing pain or discomfort when playing any spec or any game

[rare kite]

^ i recommend having some buttons on mouse. for example i have raging blow on side of mouse

[teal fossil]

The trick is to not mash

Fury is fast but not that fast

[cold jungle]

Yeah man maybe im just dancing too much and over inputting

[latent moss]

osu

prolly some other 900000000 cps games too

[hexed saddle]

we need to put you down

[icy mulch]

That would be the humaine thing to do.

[nova marsh]

Guys

Why do people still use pawn

[slim crater]

To see what item brings an upgrade when u mean the addon

[grave mulch]

its so incorrect tho

just SimC it

[slow saddle]

Fam harder push = more dmg

Its a known fact

[dim basalt]

Except that it is not reliable at all

[slender sonnet]

Wasn't even my group I signed to it

[slim crater]

that is correct,but that was not the question😉

[weak wave]

Can you move your Details window?

nothing happens when I click there

[boreal remnant]

new arms feels pretty nice

aside from not doing damage

[slow saddle]

Yup

[slender sonnet]

woke blizz KILLED our arms spec

they killled our ARMS so we cant GOON

[boreal remnant]

go be #fury -ous about it

[icy mulch]

Is Arms really that bad right now?

[livid cloak]

No

Just like it wasn't that bad before pre patch either

People just doom

[slow saddle]

It plays decently esp slayer

Col i still think even with battlelord change needs help

[latent moss]

2 expansions late for this complaint

df killed arms

[icy mulch]

Just did a key as Colossus, man, why do I have to hit slam so god damn much.

[slender sonnet]

No I love arms

[icy mulch]

I'll try Slayer

[slender sonnet]

I just wanted to call blizzard woke

[slow saddle]

Bcoz battelord hasnt been updated

[thin venture]

PSA: stop getting high warlord swords, get the axe. always be crittin.

[weak wave]

Are there any plans for the blizz dmg meter to show dps and dmg in one window?

[livid cloak]

Ask blizz

Or use details

[gusty nymph]

It is not bad. Ur dps is meh compared to fury and qol / bloat need some love… but some people are masochist

So you might end up enjoying

🥳

[livid cloak]

My dps was fine compared to fury /shrug

Arms can definitely be better, but its not bad now and wasn't bad before

[obsidian otter]

It does already on beta it just hasn’t hit live yet

It’s a step up from what prepatch meters are it had time stamps and everything for bosses pulls shows damage done and dps in one window

[weak wave]

Ahh nice

[obsidian otter]

this is what it looks like in beta you can put it other way as well where it shows DPS first and Damage done second.

[icy mulch]

Hmm, is Battlelord needed for Slayer Arms?

[icy mulch]

Ok, ok, Slayer Arms is pretty fun.

My only question is why is Overpower so strong now?

[thick kelp]

dn

[weak wave]

How did you set this up? I didn't find any option to do so in beta

[vague oxide]

its there by default set to damage done and ull have dmg and dps in brackets and vice versa, the timer is there by default as well

[weak wave]

Ahh its only live on Xalas Endgame and not everywhere on beta

[icy mulch]

Slayer arms feels so nice to play right now. I really hope they buff it and fix the overlap of sweeping.

[chilly hearth]

what's the deal with sweeping?

[icy mulch]

The sweeping from Colossal smash and actual sweeping don't seem to stack.

[thick kelp]

if you cycle them properly even wtih powerful momentum (is better anw) u reach 99% uptim

[icy mulch]

Yeah, it's micro management, but at least it's worth it. I am very happy to see execute triggers the dopamine.

[chilly hearth]

Aaah, right

[chilly hearth]

Finally execute isn't just a way to fish tactician

been playing colossus so much

i want some big numbers with ms and execute

[pearl jasper]

What is the CD for bladestorm roughly in a ST fight on beta/pre patch?

[obsidian otter]

beta its about 45-55s depending on procs

not sure on prepatch

[weak wave]

Sweeping Strinkes is kind of useles now.
When my 12 stacks from CS are used CS nearly is ready again

[pearl jasper]

Mortal strike feels like its on cooldown for ages now

[slow saddle]

This must ofc be fixxed

Anything else is counter to what blizzard claims they want

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/alexis-rose-schitts-creek-good-luck-fingers-crossed-cross-finger-gif-11400378180637421768

[livid cloak]

It'll be better once we take battlelord after the buffs to it go live

[pearl jasper]

good to know, thank you

[rough phoenix]

I don't know much about Arms since I started playing it yesterday, but so far having a good time 👍

[nova marsh]

Guys why does dawnbreaker exist

This run:
Dev DH discovered that soul fragments move as the ship moves at the start (LOL)
Dev DH also teleported themselves to the spawn during last boss

This shit is hilarious

Hunter also threw a bomb off the side of the ship somehow

[boreal remnant]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

this gif is relevant again let's go

[nova marsh]

Chief

when has it not been relevant

we're a pvp spec

[minor gust]

Depending who you ask that gif hasn't stopped being relevant. Tho soon the doom gates will be fully open as we get closer to release. Right now it's still just a meme

[nova marsh]

By the time we're mid feb

it's jover

[swift flame]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

we can get the ball rolling now

[chilly hearth]

the Bloodsurge talents says it generates rage on rend's damage
does it mean that the ability itself damage generates the rage or the tick of every single dot on everysingle target has a chance?

[minor gust]

Both

Actually I'm not 100% on the initial dmg but yes the dot ticks will gen rage that's why more targets the rage gen from bloodsurge

[chilly hearth]

So it is a great temporary talent while we are starving rage, isn't it? i might change it once we reach an equilibrium on generation and spending

we might get at somepoint where we have enough haste to get a comfortable amount of rage

[minor gust]

Rage issues stem from mostly ST situations and pressing execute without talents like CT.

You generally don't have rage issues in aoe. It's an ok talent

[thick kelp]

more haste is not more rage

[full furnace]

more haste means faster attack speed so more rage

[nova marsh]

Yes but you also have more GCDs to spend rage

so it's even

[minor gust]

Any extra rage you gen from more haste is canceled out by the fact you are spending that rage faster with a lower gcd

[nova marsh]

We've talked about this before. Haste across all classes does not really increase rescource gen

[dim basalt]

(with the exception of Outlaw)

[jovial hare]

crit is more rage right

cus of auto attack crits giving more?

[chilly hearth]

honestly never considered that

[minor gust]

Yes if you want more rage gen the only stat that's gonna positively effect your rage econ will be crit

[white condor]

how is Arms in Midnight

[minor gust]

without the apex it plays pretty much the same as TWW

[white condor]

im dropping sub tryna see if i wanna come back to war or go SV hunt

[obsidian otter]

Sub is good in midnight

[minor gust]

ive seen some of the SV changes I think SV would probably be more fun and interesting than arms

[nova marsh]

Its over as always

[obsidian otter]

And less buttons with 20s shadow dances at 2 charges your dancing a lot now as sub

[white condor]

they dumbed it down way to much for my liking

i liked the class bc of the complexity

[obsidian otter]

It only got rid of 2 buttons you don’t press on live

[minor gust]

yeah my guildie is a diehard sub main of many years hes not a fan of the sub changes

[obsidian otter]

No rupture and no flagurate or how ever you spell that CD it does it automatically in finishers now

[white condor]

my whole action bar was filled before MN prepatch

[obsidian otter]

Only thing I changed from my rogue is rupture I swapped it with throwing star. Outside that my buttons stayed same. You don’t need to press slice and dice now but I left it there 😂

[white condor]

dont get me wrong not a bad class

just not what i want anymore

[obsidian otter]

We lost the foK aoe 1 min CD I never liked it though

It for sure holds the title for least amount of buttons for rotation possibly or tied with hunters

If you don’t count shadow clones it’s less for sure 😂

[white condor]

dont let fury slide

rampage and BT

[obsidian otter]

They still have to clap/whirlwind

Constantly

[white condor]

lol

im just trolling

[white condor]

does SV not have mad buttons unless ur talking BM

[obsidian otter]

Nah I play both on beta both about same buttons. BM is kill command the dot skill cobra shot. Then in aoe you just press pet cleave 8s CD on Cooldown.. survial is just throw bomb has two charges. You press kill command and press to skills kill command. Press two skills

Kill command procs your tip of the spear and you want everything to have the bonus of it. Oh and you press boomstick on CD aswel

Both 4 buttons pretty much

90% of the time you only press 3 as both specs

Unless your playing dark ranger then you press that button to 😂

[nova marsh]

So

Wow braindead now

[untold trench]

AlwaysHasBeen.png

[nova marsh]

I can mythic raid now!

[spark tapir]

hey. havent played actively in a while so kind of out of the loop. I noticed when leveling up that Wrecking Throw does not get effected from Sweeping Strikes. Someone know, if that is like it should be? cause purely from reading the tooldtip it should be affected, no?

[smoky kayak]

nope, only melee attacks are swept, which excludes Heroic, Wrecking, Shattering, and Storm Bolt

[spark tapir]

Ah, only melee! makes sense then, Thank you :)
(would be good if the tooltip said it tho xd)

[gloomy dawn]

How much dps are people doing now in keys? I ran 10 prio arms slayer did overall 43,804. My ilvl 168.

[mortal niche]

you what, no way its fury now

[frosty lava]

haven't tried arms yet, but as a comparison I usually range around 75k-ish as thane fury

maybe colo arms could rip more during prepatch

[quartz valve]

is the CDM showing you Executioner's Precision stacks? I can only get it to show the icon, but no stacks

[fossil thistle]

Arms had button bloat?

Maybe I’ve played too much Tarkov

[untold pewter]

We do have a lot of buttons compared to most specs (especially now)

[bronze wharf]

are the midnight talents builds shown currently on wowhead the final builds? or will we get a bit more talent points for going 80->90

[untold pewter]

We'll get more

[bronze wharf]

thanks god

[chilly hearth]

You guys using cleave and ravager for plus?

[wide wigeon]

hello o/

how is Arms looking in the pre patch? only played a bit during the early beta then I had to take a break

[spiral coral]

same same a bit different but, same

I couldn’t tell a difference really

[wide wigeon]

I see

[spiral coral]

Fury feels funner, still

[fossil thistle]

No more talent points. We get apex talent stuff, builds will likely be fiddled with a small bit though

And the other 3 hero talent points

[bronze wharf]

you do get the points

midnight beta: https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus
prepatch?: https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus
you get 3 points in class tree, and then 4 in spec tree but they go for apex anyway

[dim basalt]

Only 3 out of the 4 will go for apex unless they buff the 4th point significantly

[slow saddle]

I mean if it was 5sec

[dim basalt]

Even then it would be bad

[slow saddle]

With this many procs😅👌

But then cs uptime just perma?

[dim basalt]

hm, dunno

Sounds like a design failure

Might as well remove CS

[nova marsh]

At that point just make arms a support spec

[halcyon valve]

so happy juggernaut is gone

[slow saddle]

Now they do need to buff execute.abit imho

[halcyon valve]

also the new sweeping is kinda neat as my first impression

[smoky bough]

whats the proc % chance on master of warfare now?

[obsidian otter]

Not sure what it was before I think some testing fishy did was like 25 proc per 3 mins that was before the buff so it got increased by 50% of that

So like 37-38 procs per 3 mins

So we went from like 7-8 procs per minute to like 12-13 per minute give or take

[smoky bough]

Ok good to know. Thanks

[torpid badge]

Yall, is this meme I made actually accurate, I thought arms was good in two target fights but a friend told me it's actually quite shit

Idk what I've sub in otherwise, maybe Frost Mage?

[flat willow]

any spec that doesn't require both targets to be 1 yard from each other

especially considering that usually blizzard gives those kind of bosses " reduce all damage by 99% if too close to each other "

[torpid badge]

so basically just destro and the dot specs

[rare kite]

i mean it's pretty good in 2 targets when you're allowed to hit both. just in raid most dual bosses have a mechanic where they can't be near eachother so can't hit them xD

[slow saddle]

Well ill take it😄

Long sweep when😅😅

20 yard sweeps at least

[nova marsh]

Guys is current arms worth playing

[minor gust]

were you able to enjoy TWW arms at all. If yes then yes if no then no

[nova marsh]

I enjoyed it a tad

But probably still fdk

[minor gust]

if your main thing you disliked was slayer jugg then yes

[boreal remnant]

arms historically has been the 2t spec but rn on the beta it's pretty shit

[minor gust]

if the 2 targets are next to each other

[nova marsh]

My main thing was CD desyncing was omega cringe

and well...that...hasn't changed

[minor gust]

yeah cyl on fdk

we dont align shit in this house courtesy of blizzard and 5 different sources of cdr

[nova marsh]

Yup

[torpid badge]

Was TWW arms similar to DF arms

[minor gust]

the hero talents added a bit but the core was the same as DF

[torpid badge]

Oh, gotcha

Ive only played it in PvP both in DF and TWW so happy to hear haha

[minor gust]

basically if you had a good time with arms in TWW midnignt arms will be a good time too

[torpid badge]

eh tbh i enjoyed df arms more

but only because i thought i had to use bladestorm more because it glew up

i didnt give enough of a shit to learn if i needed to care or not xd

[rare kite]

df arms was better simply because slayer+jugg combination didn't exist

[torpid badge]

no clue what jugg even does

lowkey

is that the execute crit talent

[rare kite]

it's okay, now you will never have to. it's gone

[torpid badge]

lmao

[nova marsh]

Jugg was a talent that increased exe's damage by a lot up to 15 stacks.

Slayer gamabed HARD on carrying all stacks throughout a fight to do real damage and parse

It also made slayer cancer in M+

[torpid badge]

ahh

[minor gust]

slayer finally in the peak M+ of press execute when it lights up in aoe

[nova marsh]

Also

Jugg made slayer have like 3 conditionals to pressing Sudden death

Which is cringe

[fresh spire]

4 for fury 3 for arms. Was pretty cringe

[nova marsh]

...

fury had another?

TF?

[fresh spire]

Had two on sim to ensure it would use 2 sd stacks before expiring because execute had a cd

[nova marsh]

...

Dstance isn't in the CDM

sigh

[rare kite]

that's fine, just get the addon in #updates-midnight

[nova marsh]

Oh neat ig

[robust cypress]

Can you sim arms during prepatch or is it broken?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pMgnkZ5FVbNvwnN7mM5xji

[native nexus]

Does anyone have any recommendations for setting up interrupt / cast bars for more easier viz ?
I'm currently running Platynator but any suggestions welcome.

[nova marsh]

I just set up platynator

only problem is not being able to see the name of the cast

[native nexus]

@nova marsh Yep same...I'm going to get one of those old timey screen magnifiers 😵

[nova marsh]

Lmao this is mine

I upped the size by 30%

[grave mulch]

imagine that in alterac valley everyone meeting in the middle now and all those HP bars layered over eachother not seeing shit

[nova marsh]

Easy solution: don't pvp

[gloomy dawn]

I ran thane and slayer arms found it about the same. Has anyone tried slayer arms?

[spare goblet]

Anyone figure out a clean way to track how long sweeping strikes is up?

[frosty lava]

it's in the cooldown manager

shows how many attacks are left on sweep

no longer has a duration

[spare goblet]

even though I have it talented, it's not trackable in buffs. Doesn't show up.

I can only track it's cooldown

[ionic latch]

cleave feelin' mad nice rn

[vast helm]

build?

[vast helm]

👍

[lone star]

Fury sub stats aren’t any where near what I want to play arms and be viable is it?

[boreal remnant]

you can play arms with fury stats

stats matter a lot less than you think

[minor gust]

need more people to realize this

[steep osprey]

Damn Slam doing something

[frosty lava]

nice pfp good sir

[frosty lava]

except for the depression stat going up when my haste goes down

[boreal remnant]

dw play enough it'll go up no matter what you play

[frosty lava]

imprisoned for 10,000 years type of situation

[quasi haven]

is it worth to forge everything on Chrit/Haste ? Or can i just play with fury stats arms? ^^

[slow saddle]

well what arms?

collosus

then deffo No

slayer yes it matters little

[quasi haven]

slayer

[quasi haven]

so all on chrit/haste 😄

[slow saddle]

ok i try again

as slayer = play with fury stats

as collosus u deffo want crit

[quasi haven]

ah okay 🙂

[slow saddle]

its just Collosus has CDR on demolish, so not having enough crit makes shit align horridly

dno if the DMG loss is as big as the brain dmg u take from cds coomin up at different times ALL the time

[slow saddle]

is DW from execute rly bigger than the 15% ms every 3 global ?:D

[slow saddle]

also u do loose out on a lot of Sweepin dmg by not taking the last 25%

ill run something like this

Dw + rend did same as cleave, when cleave was specced into ill test se bleeds

With all this cdr and breaks in keys do ppl just run 2 x passives?

[rare kite]

can't imagine people not running stone idol

it's too good

[slow saddle]

but its cdr alligns horridly ?

1.5m and our avatar seems like 1m ?

some times 50 sec

i hate am man

[rare kite]

just send it before cs i think. or just send on cd, the damage it does is pretty decent as well

[slow saddle]

imma run 1 key with astral - pacemaker

and prob go back to idol then 😄

[rare kite]

oof pacemaker. i hate that trinket so much, i recognize it's not a bad trinket tho

just mad if it procs when the mobs are low and i lose all duration

[slow saddle]

i think its better than idol in this situation

Deep wounds facking destroys in big pulls man

deffo running bleed talents not cleave talents

[grave mulch]

what language is that

[slow saddle]

the secret one

the one america wants to destroy

[grave mulch]

danish got you

[slow saddle]

hmm bigwigs tools giving me lua errors now

[slender sonnet]

I think activating windows is a dps+

[slow saddle]

lel

never

[dim basalt]

Playing on Linux is dps+

[slow saddle]

i bet

[slender sonnet]

true u get better fps

[dim basalt]

yup lmao

[slender sonnet]

I've been thinking of swapping to linux but

Ion wanna have to write code to make a new folder

[dim basalt]

Just use Mint Cinnamon

Its as windows-like as it can get

[slender sonnet]

nyarch

https://nyarchlinux.moe/

[fresh spire]

[slow saddle]

any1 playing some decent slayer arms in keys+

was gonna do a 20 or 2

[fresh spire]

Don't think slayer worth playing on keys till sd reap comes

Then it's going to own

[slow saddle]

hmm

so sad

also not talking bout worth, talking bout playable

[slow saddle]

Also fucking give me reap allready

[fresh spire]

Wonder when they plan to sync the talents over

If they do that is

[slow saddle]

never ever

cant have Prepatch fun

its 100% illigal

we are supposed to do ONLY houses

[naive breach]

monkaS dont go into archims house

(dungeon)

[vivid rose]

Hey, is it still allowed to track auto attack swing timer ?

[ocean current]

So how behind is arms on beta currently? I plan on switching to warrior and like arms better than fury but havnt decided for sure

[minor gust]

Whatever the current state of fury and arms is more than likely won't be the same on launch. Play something because you wanna play it

[sudden topaz]

Enjoyment > power

[slow saddle]

It will be fine

Arms was fine in m+

Arms slayer will be at least decent in raid

[teal fossil]

power>enjoyment

if i can do the same damage as revvez auto attacking you bet thats what im doing

[minor gust]

Except revvez will still do more

The greatest blessing is learning to love both arms and fury that way you don't give a fuck when one is weaker than the other

[teal fossil]

what if both are equally weak

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/mood-dance-russiankiddance-club-dancevibe-gif-21421102

Then you vibe

[slow saddle]

Tac is deffo lovin both

[ocean current]

Then you pray your raid group likes you enough to not cut you

[slow saddle]

Nono

U pray prot warrior is even worse

Hunters need thst ap

[nova marsh]

Pray hunters are also trash

[spiral coral]

I’m convinced Hunter is Blizzards most beloved class

[nova marsh]

...over mage?

[dire hinge]

deffo mage

[fresh spire]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

[hollow wave]

Yea its mage

[spiral coral]

[muted sundial]

Can someone answer a question for me? I was just in a test key and noticed that my terror attacks weren't being counted, and I wanted to know if this was a bug. I then went to a test dummy and had the same problem: my overpower attacks do normal damage, but the waves don't do any damage. ?

Or is it simply a display error that they are not shown on the DMG board?

[minor gust]

I assume you are talking about dreadnaught. The blizzard dmg meters combines OP and DN together. Its working fine

[muted sundial]

yes i talking about dreadnaught

in german thre are call schreckenshiebe

so its simply a display (bug)

[minor gust]

I dont think its a bug. I think its intended that overpower and dreadnaught are combined in the meters.

[muted sundial]

Okay, if I skill that away, my overpowered ability will do the same amount of damage.

[devout pewter]

Didn't wclogs/details also put Dreadnought in a dropdown under Overpower? I could swear I've seen that before...

[dire hinge]

it's that way on Raidbots/Simulationcraft, but was historically seperate on Details/WCL. There was a details plugin that combined them, but wasn't default.

[devout pewter]

ah might be through one of those plugins then maybe, had a couple installed

[dire hinge]

rip Explosives meters

[misty yew]

is there a way of having tracked buffs in different areas of screen

i dont want certain ones lumped in one row

[jovial hare]

cooldown manager infinite addon

lets you make as many bars as you want

[sly geode]

Hi is slayer viable for m+ yet - now or going into midnight - or will my warrior remain shelved? :c

[jovial hare]

I saw someone mentioned slayer is going to be better all around but i think that was a midnight thing

[sly geode]

Ughhh okay thank you sm, I hate that spell demolish w a passion so my warrior will remain shelved!

[dim basalt]

From what I gathered M+ Slayer is really strong on beta

Potentially meta kind of strong

[reef bone]

Trying out arms for the first time… ever? And it’s pretty fun. I do notice there’s times where I just have no rage to press anything. Is that normal? Will it be the same in midnight?

[iron root]

Yes it happens and will be the same going into midnight unless further changes. Colossal has more rage issues than slayer

[reef bone]

Yeah I mean I don’t really mind it, it just makes me panic and I end up trying to mash any button I can. I should probably just wait for more rage

[crystal umbra]

You can use it as an opportunity to chill for a sec and think about your next move.

[dim basalt]

Charge weave

[reef bone]

a 2h doubled edged sword

[weak wave]

Can you unlock and move your Details windows?

[dim basalt]

Thats straight up a lie tho

[obsidian otter]

Depending on what build and talents your running yes it happens it’s why we don’t play Imp exe currently it helps with not rage starving ever with that build.

[obsidian otter]

People can’t be bad it’s always the class 😂

[dim basalt]

Its crazy how people just go like that when Arms wasnt good / was bad for a single season

[obsidian otter]

Arms is arms it has its issues for sure but it’s not terrible dead class. Some people just need to play a broken class to be high in the damage they don’t know how to squeeze the most juice out of a lemon 😂

[latent moss]

been like that for as long as i can remember

fury is just the "cooler" spec

high apm is generally more fun

[rough otter]

now complaining that the class is almost always weak is a lie

[rough otter]

I think most care more about which spec is strongest than having fun

ant that's not a lie

[latent moss]

obviously

but when arms and fury are close or even

no one plays arms

is what im trying to say

and they are often close

[shadow ibex]

Dozens of us

[rough otter]

i think everyone like to play arms here because its nice to give a good dmg with a spec that nobody plays

[rough otter]

so we can talk things like that

[slender sonnet]

I prefer arms to fury

if fury isn't significantly better, I'd pick arms

[dim basalt]

^

[river ridge]

Yes, but historically Fury has been the more defensive spec due to Warpaint and a second two-hander worth of Stamina.

It allowed you to ignore some mechanics that Arms just instantly died from.

Blizzard had to actively rework Arms to not be as squishy

[slender sonnet]

There's a few examples of that like soaking the ring on smolderon mythic with a healer CD for better uptime but in most PvE content if you didn't survive as arms you likely wouldn't survive as fury. Atleast in my opinion.

[river ridge]

I mean during prog I just sat in every ring Enraged Regen allowed me to xD

[slender sonnet]

same lmao

[shadow ibex]

Reck is just lame compared to cs

[slender sonnet]

Smolderon was such a cool warrior fight

[shadow ibex]

Fury cds feel anemic and that's saying something when warrs have super low impact cds

[slender sonnet]

On the other hand

[latent moss]

u didnt need a healer cd at all

er covers most of the debuff

u sr after er ends

remember to hold iv for soak

[slender sonnet]

Oh yeah

It's been a minute

I think my guild assigned a GA to me for it

[smoky bough]

thats because to the avg player fury has a stronger identity/theme to it

like what is the identity of arms beyond im 2 target champion

[serene hollow]

what if I like being 2 target champion

[smoky bough]

play destro :^)

[olive nest]

Arms theme is being an intellectual

Fury’s is well.. the opposite

[smoky bough]

ive been told the theme is that it has no theme so thats the appeal

anyway thanks for coming to my ted talk

[slender sonnet]

I've always had a respect for die hard arms players

and now I love the spec

[smoky bough]

its the only spec worth playing

[slender sonnet]

like even before I played warrior

REAL ACTUALLY

[smoky bough]

been playing it since 2008

[olive nest]

Arms goats unite!

[slender sonnet]

like the first server I played when I started playing the game, there was this one guild that was clearly the best guild and it was unanimously agreed that their arms warrior was the best player on the server. Maybe thats where I got it from

[rough otter]

almost the same with me when i first time played wow, i was in a guild while leveling and the best of them was an arms warrior since that i played with the class

[slender sonnet]

I dont even remember how I started playing warrior

I was playing vengeance DH at the start of DF S1, hated it and went Warrior for reasons that I cannot remember

had never played it before or anything

Now it's the only class I'll play

[rough otter]

i used to play rogue but i wasnt so smart

[slender sonnet]

apart from playing pwar in mop

I mained druid from the start of wod until SL S2

Before that I mained Paladin from when I started playing the game in wotlk

[nova marsh]

I started in MoP bnecause I thought titan's grip was the coolest shit ever

[boreal quartz]

gay for tmy

[nova marsh]

now I think it's cringe and main arms

well used to

[slender sonnet]

I played warrior before I even knew tmy existed

[boreal quartz]

gay for tmy

[slender sonnet]

yeah

[boreal quartz]

he played DK before he played warrior

[nova marsh]

I did too

[slender sonnet]

tmy touches me like no other person could

[boreal quartz]

he touches you like any other person

(not at all)

[slender sonnet]

bruh

im gonna touch you

[nova marsh]

gay

[slender sonnet]

I am

[nova marsh]

actually na just freaky

oh

https://giphy.com/gifs/chad-gigachad-giga-CAYVZA5NRb529kKQUc

[slender sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-freaky-cat-cat-meme-tongue-out-gif-1492882876567450372

[soft viper]

I do love being a berserker though. Both specs in the prepatch are fun as hell

[nova marsh]

freaky

[nocturne needle]

catalyst still useable after patch?

[nova marsh]

boutta find out

yes

[nocturne needle]

ty ty

[forest hearth]

is there a better CD manager that still functions? The base UI version feels like hot garbage

[olive nest]

Yeah it’s actually just called
“BetterCooldownManager”

[cosmic halo]

Arm slayer is complete shit on mm+ isnt ?

[nova marsh]

yes

[cosmic halo]

Will it be better with beta update ?

[nova marsh]

when midnight launches slayer will be ahead

rn it's pretty dead because it lacks points to take reap

[forest hearth]

Lmao that’s grand

[nova marsh]

Or arc ui if u want something more advanced

[forest hearth]

My brain is too smooth and exhausted from raising a newborn for advanced for now, we’ll see how I feel in 5 months

[silk spade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/250930140010250240/952253328635609088/ezgif.com-gif-maker_4.gif

[nova marsh]

[slender sonnet]

real

[olive nest]

[deft osprey]

I miss execute ramp 🙁

[smoky bough]

boo

[rare kite]

https://tenor.com/view/get-tf-out-get-out-zimba-lion-king-monkey-gif-1461417101263154936

[deft osprey]

??????????????????

you don't miss big dam at the end of boss fights?

[rare kite]

you bet your ass i don't miss having to build up my executes for them to finally do damage

shit is ass

having to delay your sudden death procs to maintain a dumbass buff hoping to have it when you hit 35%

[latent moss]

even if u didnt have to delay sd procs

its still shit

u will be tuned around having high stacks

and there WILL be mechanics

that just force downtime

[terse osprey]

How yall feel about Arms rn in pve?

Also am i to be using Wrecking throw for any reason?

[rustic creek]

Said nobody ever

[quiet hare]

Ayoo bring back FR

[terse osprey]

FR?

[quiet hare]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=207982/focused-rage

[brazen brook]

ew

[slow saddle]

The fact that some ppl dont understanss this but think some talents are free dmg

If it were like that the fact that our class tree has sooo many dmg nodes would be big +

[slender sonnet]

I like big damage at the end, but I don't like my parse being decided by rng

Even tho I love gambling

[dim basalt]

Execute was super undertuned because of Juggernaut lol

Not sure where the fun is at that

Being able to lose execute more often is enough, dont need a talent that kills the ability

[untold pewter]

I do like ramp up execute
I don't like stacks falling off

If you could build juggernaut stacks the whole way through (from sudden death) and they were permanent (fall off only out of combat)

Now that would be kinda sick

Also raise the cap to 99 again please

[dim basalt]

In the end it doesnt matter because a talent like that would make baseline execute worse

[untold pewter]

I'm ok with that
We had pretty much this in Legion for Fury and they were the most fun execute phases

[dim basalt]

And if we are completely useless outside of exe phase it will feel pretty unrewarding every now and then

[untold pewter]

I don't think that's a requirement, we can be middle of the pack until execute and then ramp up to the top during execute and I'd be cool with that

[dim basalt]

Hypothetically yes but thats never going to happen

[untold pewter]

It literally already did

Heck dragonflight was mostly like that

Not with juggernaut stacks but

We were mid until execute and then could ramp to the top

And the juggernaut stacks actually did happen during Legion

[dim basalt]

But you dont need jugg for that anyway

[untold pewter]

Nah you don't but also it was hella fun just seeing how high you could stack it before the boss dies

And it's not like you needed to reach anywhere above 30 to feel impactful

Cuz execute phase is time limited by well... The boss dying

Ofc only fun for raids though, not nearly as impactful or fun for keys

And I guess more specifically mythic raids cuz heroic eventually just falls over before you can do much

[dim basalt]

And now we get to enjoy Slayer in M+ with SD value in aoe

Unfortunately we havent done any raid testing so I have absolutely no clue how the fights are for Arms

If I had to take a guess prob middle or upper middle

[untold pewter]

Let's hope tuning isn't as wack in Midnight

[dim basalt]

Was fine in TWW

Im afraid they will break our neck in aoe though

[untold pewter]

Eeeehhh start of nerubar palace it was really bad
Also undermine was pretty bad

[dim basalt]

Undermine was more than fine

Start of NP was bit rough because of Fury but we were middle of the pack after the buffs

[untold pewter]

We were pretty weak in undermine
Below middle but yeah

[dim basalt]

We were exactly in the middle

And even used in RWF

Middle of the pack is anything but weak

[untold pewter]

I mean the logs don't show that

I'm ok with middle I just don't like both specs below mid

[untold pewter]

That's 11.1.7

Start of both raids (Nerubar and Undermine) we were not looking hot

And had to get buffed

So I'm hoping we land on a good spot instead for Midnight instead of having to hope for buffs again

[dim basalt]

And yet both specs were used in prog

[untold pewter]

"used in prog" isn't really my concern to be honest

RWF does things that are irrelevant to 99.98% of the CE raiders in the game (not the whole player base, specifically the CE raiders) because you don't find that kind of player group in any guild
And generally speaking prog even for HOF guilds does not require that level optimization

But we were not middle of the pack on both specs

And it's not so nice sitting there getting giga gapped by unholy DKs until buffs

[dim basalt]

Dont worry, next time it wont be uhdk but SV

[untold pewter]

Damn right

[dim basalt]

At least I only remember Blizz nerfing uhdk and not sv

Could be wrong here

[untold pewter]

I didn't keep much track of beta tuning so I can't say either

[dim basalt]

Sounds about right

[misty yew]

do we dump cleaves as soon as we CS?

I find demolish takes ages to stack up now, do we just send asap with low stacks before CS finishes?

[untold pewter]

You want to mortal strike with SS too for those double stacks

And yes you demolish before CS ends no matter what

And make sure you're correctly in range for your ravager mortal strike auto casts to hit

[smoky bough]

Whose gonna tell him

[misty yew]

I was going to say ravager not doing MS anymore right?

[untold pewter]

Fuck

Then yeah it's just going to be the mortal strike SS to help out

[livid cloak]

I think tbat will be the case. They are tuning demolish to do more damage at lower stacks

[misty yew]

So you spend all cleaves asap in the CS?

[livid cloak]

Pending target count. Yeah cleave has a higher prio than ms

[tribal sedge]

Question, not a huge deal but previously with WA I was able to keep track of the pandemic window of rend better with a timer. With blizzard's CDM it doesn't keep track like that, but I noticed for my feral druid it does keep track is there a way to change that for rend? ( so I can see the time left on the target)

[livid cloak]

Its in the cooldown manager

Under buffs

[rain sky]

heyo ! can w eexplain easely how is warior arms in mlidnight ? i never really played war but, do it still dps with that dot ?

[rough otter]

B

or C

[rain sky]

im more about gameplay

[rough otter]

i think you should test and see if you like

in my opinion is fun if you play slayer

[rain sky]

but what about the dot ?

[smoky bough]

pressing rend once every 20 seconds?

[rapid bronze]

you can add a voice alert when rend is in the pandemic range in the CDM

I'm not sure if it's a default CDM thing to have a timer on it as I use the Luxthos CDM but it shows the timer in that and it let's you add an alert in the default CDM options window to do the sound alert which works well for me

[rough otter]

rend?

[upbeat remnant]

Apply it to the target

[rain sky]

deep wound

[rough otter]

its applied when you use ms

[minor gust]

Yes and no

DW is two talents now. One for MS and Cleave crits apply and one for all execute hits apply DW

[minor gust]

Arms warrior is a very easy spec to play. Try it out for yourself, only way you're gonna know if you like it.

[rain sky]

owkayyy thanks !

[halcyon hearth]

It’s fun, I’m playing it regardless of how good it looks in the numbers.

[slow saddle]

Tbf all specs are easy

[nova marsh]

Guys cmon wow is so braindead

...

I just learned I need seperate UI saves for some of my alts

[slow saddle]

Welcome to life post weakauras

🤣

[nova marsh]

Please fucking kill me

[slow saddle]

Solution easy

All alts are warriors

Also mines dk, was a non issue with sensei and iif

Uuf

[nova marsh]

Sensi is the actual issue

Because I wanted to move my resource bar to sit ontop of my actual bars without moving my DKs

[minor gust]

I have yet to fuck with my UI. It's currently a complete broken unusable mess. Just waiting for the copy paste new Atrocity UI

[nova marsh]

Just finished setting up my arms alts UI

Now all that's left is devourer and rogue

[halcyon valve]

addons get nuked
i download an addon to set up my UI the way it was before
yep

[olive nest]

It’s not to bad to just manually install each of his profiles with the respective addon

[nova marsh]

More like I download 2 or 3

[olive nest]

But yeah I’m also looking forward to the installer

[nova marsh]

Na man id rather suffer for multiple days setting up my exactly how I want it

Not really though fucking christ I hope I never have to do this again

[minor gust]

The only ones he had released was the 1480 profiles. I play on 1080. And I was to lazy to adjust and do all that work when Im not even playing during the prepatch besides spending 30 min to reclear the raid for mounts

[nova marsh]

Those 30 minutes must be very unpleasant

[olive nest]

I get that yeah makes sense

[nova marsh]

I just set it up now because I dont wonna do it in midnight

[minor gust]

Not really I just go in as Colo arms and press my buttons and vibe

[nova marsh]

Fair fair

[olive nest]

I usually ply with the 1080p profiles on my 1440p monitor because I’m so blind so playing with everything super small was interesting

[terse osprey]

Hows Arms performing rn in pve?

[minor gust]

6-7

[terse osprey]

Or should i maybe run Fury this time?

bruh no

[minor gust]

Bruh it's prepatch

Nothing matters

[nova marsh]

Its meme time

Id learn both tbh

Better yourself, be a Swiss army knife

[minor gust]

Id just play what you wanna play

If your poor soul can't handle not min maxing at every moment you play this game the answer is in here

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[tacit sandal]

there is no more cursor/mouseover macro for ravager but target only now?

[smoky kayak]

it auto targets now, yes

[halcyon valve]

Im not a fan tbh

But i wonder if you can do something like
/target @ mouseover
/cast ravager
/targetlasttarget

[smoky kayak]

/targetlasttarget```
should work, yes

though in practice you pretty much always want to drop at it your feet, so putting it on your primary target is almost always going to be the right call

[weak wave]

Since mik's scrolling combat text doesn't work anymore which addon do you use for received dmg?

[vital mulch]

NiceDamage. Aint great but it's something

[boreal remnant]

Ain't great, but would you say it's nice?

[smoky kayak]

my health bar

[weak wave]

😬

[slender sonnet]

I dont take damage I dodge everything like neo in the matrix

[thick hamlet]

🫃

[sacred zodiac]

dodge this loving embrace

[ocean current]

The damage I take is the healers problem. Not mine.

[untold trench]

Not wrong, as long it doesnt kill you - it only makes you stronger

[ocean current]

I wouldn’t want my healers to get bored.

[slender sonnet]

ion wanna

[rough otter]

that's why they are called healers

[weak wave]

I liked MikScrollingBattleText and the fact that you could totally edit your received dmg numbers. Isn't there anything which does the same now?

[vital mulch]

I've honestly not looked into it to much. There seems to be a guy in the comments of MiksScrollingBattleText on curseforge working on a replacement that some have had some success with and some issues.

[sacred zodiac]

noob

[vital mulch]

non-dwarf

[hollow wave]

ewe

[vital mulch]

https://github.com/Wyveryx/MSBT?tab=readme-ov-file A link to it if you wana check it out

[vital mulch]

Calling me a female sheep?

[weak wave]

Tried this right now. download page is down

[vital mulch]

Hmm? I had no issue downloading. Tried it right now for you

[vital mulch]

Where are you trying to download from exactly? I did it from here

[weak wave]

here

This link is dead

[vital mulch]

Still. Unsure if it's worth the effort currently. Seeing some having issues with it at it's current iteration. I'd probably wait for him to work on it more

But clicking releases/Alpha link on the right side works

[sacred zodiac]

this is vibe coded to shit

or stolen

[vital mulch]

Ye was about to say

He messed up the hyperlink

But clicking the Releases - 12.0.1-alpha-2 brings you to correct place. If you want to download

[weak wave]

ahh got it

[boreal quartz]

vibecoded addons vro

give me back weakauras

[vital mulch]

What about the stronger PowerAuras!

But ye. This stuff so sad. 10 addons to replace not even half of what WA did

[vital mulch]

Again. At the moment I doubt it will work flawlessly or even janky based on the comments. Some have no or small issues for others they don't get it working at all. So probably best to wait and see if he or somebody else gets a more stable ver out

[weak wave]

Yeah I guess you are right

[halcyon valve]

Whirlwind spam build funny

[halcyon valve]

^ from a quick +10
wasnt at my pc for a bit

[fresh spire]

WirbWind

[halcyon valve]

beyblade ass arms build the way warbreaker and rend make you spin aswell now

[fresh spire]

ww

[smoky bough]

The German names are great

[halcyon valve]

as a german i may be biased on this front, but yes they are

[dim basalt]

Demolieren is bad imo

Sounds so soft

[halcyon valve]

you gotta agree Zerschmettern > slam tho

[smoky bough]

Uberwaltigen

Way better than overpower

[minor gust]

Frappe Moretelle

[olive nest]

!!!!

[fresh spire]

[untold trench]

What if, for arms, as BS lasts longer... you spin faster and faster, then faster and faster, continuing to build up momentum and speed forever!

[minor gust]

spinning in bladestorm should let you hover like a helicopter.

[halcyon valve]

what if BS was a spender

[iron root]

If they made BS a spender I bet they would buff it by an earth shattering 10% DPS

[smoky bough]

Breath of sindragosa but for arms? Gross send it to fury

[untold trench]

https://giphy.com/gifs/daredevil-frank-castle-wait-pSNzHOr5lLvGpb3HLl

[halcyon valve]

🌀 in a 14 ecodome

very funny to be spinning until youre dizzy

[halcyon valve]

cleave/deep wounds build (colossus) in a 15 floodgate

arms is just kinda good

you can just pick whatever and do dam

the buffed dreadnaught is kinda crazy tho

[nova marsh]

So lowkey

We kinda fuck?

[rare kite]

iirc dreadnaught is nerfed by 25% only on beta. if it is nerfed on live someone feel free to correct me

[smoky kayak]

only on beta

still gonna fuck though, also made up for by the Reap changes & Demolish buff

[balmy kindle]

Lmao we back with Deep wounds on top

[steep osprey]

The fuck? There's a new build I didn't know about?

[robust cypress]

no cleave in m+?

[halcyon valve]

Im just fucking around and trying stuff out
It kinda works and is super stupid lol
Not sure how it actually compares if you were to sim it tho

[halcyon valve]

Wont be this strong at the start of midnight tho
Relies on crits with cleave to apply deep wounds, and i currently have anywhere from 50% to 70% crit chance (depending on trinket buff)
We wont be critting this much in the next season

[thick hamlet]

what did i miss? why is ww there

[slow saddle]

yeah basicly the bleed talents are build for LATE seasons 😄

[balmy kindle]

Noted, come back for last titan

[halcyon valve]

Because funny

[halcyon valve]

Also slam doing more overall than mortal strike

[reef bone]

This looks crazy - how do you actually play it?

[halcyon valve]

Press ww at all times

[reef bone]

Just spam WW and… slam?

[halcyon valve]

Never slam basically, its just the free fervor of battle slams when ww hits 3+ targets

[halcyon valve]

The talents are here, not sure if i changed anything after posting the screenshot

But yeah ww spam

[reef bone]

Are all your other abilities just ST fights?

I need to try this out

[halcyon valve]

Have fun

[halcyon valve]

I should add that its colossus with one against many for the +5% ww dmg per target

[cinder tangle]

make me wanna go arms again and become a human pile bunker

[edgy solstice]

[sacred zodiac]

enough of "pile on" is in that sentence to alert @halcyon breach

[halcyon breach]

4-Set - Pile On - Tactician has a 50% increased chance to proc against enemies with Colossus Smash and causes your next Overpower to grant 2% Strength, up to 20% for 15 sec.

This is an old version

Can't believe that wowhead would do this to me

[sage badge]

Arms owns.

[nova marsh]

Indeed it does, mr deswind

[minor gust]

[spiral coral]

Deswinds back.

Holy shit.

Time to play Arms again.

[halcyon valve]

really looking forward to the 3 extra talent points in the class tree

[nova marsh]

Itll be arms time when we finally get a proper rework

Tlt will save us

[cinder tangle]

bring casted slam and only doing auto attacks on bosses like in tbc

warrior goes bonk

[nova marsh]

Please stub ur toe

Get cast bars tf out of my melee spec

[halcyon valve]

Make demolish an empowered spell that charges up infinitely
If you charge it for 10 minutes you oneshot a mythic boss

[cinder tangle]

hehe

[nova marsh]

....

Bro wants us to be an elden ring boss

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-bell-margit-gif-13590006154039896118

[cinder tangle]

btw, how is arms now? im bored of ret and i enjoy arms more than fury

[minor gust]

better than TWW arms

[nova marsh]

If u liked tww arms you'll like midnight arms

Same shit but better

[halcyon valve]

In a way yes, but also the spec tree is kinda boring

[dim basalt]

The last thing you want as a melee is an empowered spell

[halcyon valve]

Tbh the empower bdk has now is kinda sick

[dim basalt]

And the one WW has is super ass

[nova marsh]

what's the one WW has

[minor gust]

always has been

[minor gust]

nah you would be able to move during it fine. TBH I wouldnt mind it either. I had fun on fdk when breath was an empower. its def a you like it or you dont kinda thing tho

[nova marsh]

It's nothing to do with moving

It's about flow compared to most melee

[cinder tangle]

question

if i made a m gally group and we stopped (i am RL) and a pug that left is starting another group with the cd

do we lose the kill if they do it?

[minor gust]

it doesnt interupt flow any more than a channel does which many melees have imo

[nova marsh]

And I don't like channels that much either

[minor gust]

fair

[nova marsh]

But I also just think empower is a crap mechanic

It has never felt good or intituive to me at all

[minor gust]

I played a lot of Lost ark when it came out

loved the hold down mechanic a lot

[nova marsh]

To each their own. To me it feels like recreating Heavy attacks in an MMO and is just...awkward

[steel sand]

i am not crazy that on ST i am rage starved

having to weave in charge like it's the good old day

[smoky kayak]

I think it works better in an ARPG than a game like wow tbf

though lost ark shares similar issues in that the problem with WoW, with so much focus on min/maxed rotations, is that empower stuff tends to either be always hold or always press with nothing in between

[minor gust]

I think wows empower works fine even on a melee but its def love or hate no inbetween

I def think more wow players hate it than love too

[rare kite]

Same, demolish being hold down i would like. Ofc most people prob wouldn't prefer that

[hollow wave]

IMO arms have some problems, slow gameplay is not one of them

[livid cloak]

This is one of the issues imo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684139113376645123/1466971664888893675/image.png?ex=697eaf53&is=697d5dd3&hm=56168af10dad972945295131ed39ee780957d6df4e961e8ffbf813691eb67dee&

That's too much shit

[smoky kayak]

idk, I for one prefer WoW stay an MMO and not become even more MOBAfied

Ravager is the only one that I'd say is really superfluous, but some of the others can be consolidated or opt out of without any real loss

• Piercing Howl is neat, but far from necessary
• Wrecking Throw is perhaps even less important
• I prefer to macro Impending Victory to Charge (though you could combine any ability tbh)
• Avatar could also be macroed into Colossus Smash

pie in the sky, I think Broad Strokes could probably be extended to just remove the need to press Sweeping Strikes entirely (and maybe give players a reason to talent into Long Sweep)

[steep osprey]

Why isn't Broad Strokes just a replacement for SS?

It makes sense for it to be, no?

A passive version of SS

[smoky kayak]

well, because the combination of them allows basically 100% uptime on Sweep when the two are used independently

[slow saddle]

Step 1 find blue friends

[slow saddle]

Can blizzard please just let 12 + 12 = 24, legit stupid. Or cap st 16? Dno, feels so weird esp with cdr 2 cs🤣

[halcyon valve]

Five. Hundred. Stacks of sweeping strikes

[slow saddle]

Tbh, broadstrokes could just make sweep passive y

[spark mango]

guys, its my first day online after a while

i saw the current Colossus arms build for m+ (icy veins)

can we swap deep wounds for battlelord?

mortal strike applies it anyway no?

[slow saddle]

U dont want battlelord

Also read talents👍

Theres 2 dw talents 1 for exe 1 for ms, u need talent to apply dw

[spark mango]

i am applying with ms without taht exe talent

i went for battlelord cuz i found myself slamming a lot

[slow saddle]

Yup its ok to take a dmg loss

But dw exe is pretty strong. And so is slam

At least atm with how op resets work

[spark mango]

i play all 4 dps specs, is thane most prevalent damage wise now?

[slow saddle]

Yes

[spark mango]

shame, colosuss felt banging, love the cleave spam

[slow saddle]

I did a 20 as col

Its a none issue

I did 18s b4 prepatch, col still works

[spark mango]

i did 18s with 710 ilvl as colosuss i think, before reap on fury slayer becoming a thing. but i cant make sense of numbers yet.

[slow saddle]

And slayer arms works well in beta❤️

[slow saddle]

Numbers are simple

Key timed = good

[spark mango]

does slayer arms prio mortal strike over overpower in aoe for reap procs or nah

[slow saddle]

Nah fam

Did u check dmg on op

• dreadnaught

Destroys

[spark mango]

ok got it

ty

[slow saddle]

Aoe id say is cleave > op > ms

I mean in beta

[spark mango]

i mean i did 9k or w/e it is on overall in floodgate on cl arms, but i think it was bad

[slow saddle]

Its sd > cleave > op

[spark mango]

there is no more min maxing with slayer strike i assume with sudden death

[slow saddle]

Not that i know

Beta slayer is fun

[spark mango]

i am playing arms mostly because i cant stand to play fury without enrage regen

feels wrong

[rare kite]

arms doesn't have enraged regen either

[warm fog]

That’s a cracked talent tree design mistake and they need fix it

[slow saddle]

M8

[slow saddle]

I still have it on bar, just doesnt work🤣, helps me enuff tuning atm makes us immorally, immortal

[low elk]

just now got around to testing new arms colossus, damage is low but damn this is the most fun ive had with arms for a long time, really excited to doing some m+ with it in season 1

[elder zealot]

Lol, what's more important, numbers or vibes?

Honestly no correct answer

[robust cypress]

numbers are meaningless if the vibes are rancid

[minor gust]

Numbers meaningless cuz it's also prepatch.

Vibes will greatly improve with the addition of the apex talent and changes like SD reap

[slow saddle]

I mean numbers matter in the long run, did col in season 3 tww, and honestly, being that bad in st did not vibe at all🤣

[minor gust]

Prepatch and TWW season 3 are two very different things

[slow saddle]

Ofc, but col still bad st😅

[minor gust]

It's gonna be really funny if that never changes

[untold pewter]

I kind of expect it to never change at this point and I've made peace with that tbh

[nova marsh]

Ive made peace that any spec i enjoy will never have good st in keys

[low elk]

very true, if the numbers are bad we wont enjoy it, but if i try and live in a world where numbers dont exist, just comparing gameplay and vibes and animations and loop, the prepatch col arms is the most fun i ever remember arms being

i still miss the hurrdurr BFA arms of warbreaker+avatar+bladestorm = top the meters but this current iteration of almost full sweeping strike uptime, fast cleve spam, rend instead of thunderclpa, it feels really good

[livid cloak]

I agree fawx

[slow saddle]

Yup does

[spark mango]

guys

do we use our ranged kick in m+ or nah

[crystal nexus]

am i stupid and doing something wrong or does the tts alerts for arms not work? i'm trying to use it for rend pandemic, and every other sound works but the tts doesn't work. i've tried it on a different class and it worked, and i've tried it on the beta and it worked but on live there's just nothing

[crystal nexus]

worked on my other war, and i've tried disabling all addons so idk what the issue could be

[smoky kayak]

that's probably the only place you'd use it
certainly you can, the question is how often you'll practically need it

[slow saddle]

In pug more often than in raid🤣

Just make a focus target macro cast thingy

[low elk]

can always use the extra kick on pulls to help tanks gather, they will thank you for it

[spark mango]

that was my question aswell, just phrased it wrong. havent felt the need to use it

btw, right now in prepatch, do we use bladestorm in Cs window or we rather bladestorm before then Cs and use cleave overpower in the window

[halcyon valve]

In aoe definitely use bladestorm during CS. It does a lot of damage imo

[crystal nexus]

on the off chance anyone else has this issue, it was fixed by going into options > audio assist > tick 'Read Chat Text out loud' > configure text to speech and turning up speech volume

[cinder tangle]

what hero talents are we using for raid and m+?

[slow saddle]

tbh check wowhead

but slayer raid . collosus m+

[nova marsh]

Is pre patch a good crest farm?

[cinder tangle]

i did but it doesnt recommend any

but thanks 😄

[slow saddle]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/midnight-pre-patch

are u smoking ?

[cinder tangle]

no need to be rude, it recommends only for m+´, made a mistake reading it

[slow saddle]

i mean the rudeness comes from ppl that keep asking without checkin wowhead // icy veins but mb.

[cinder tangle]

how is it rude to ask when i read the guides? im allowed to make mistakes am i not?

sigh

[severe moss]

what's the current status of arms vs fury? someone is asking how arms is but i've only played fury so i cant give a non-biased answer LOL

[slow saddle]

ofc, but i am also allowed to be extremely baffled how u cannot read a homepage ^_^

[cinder tangle]

ok bud

[dim basalt]

In pre-patch Fury is way better

[livid cloak]

The builds are right on the arms wowhead page.

[slow saddle]

in beta I SAY ARMS WIN !

FAITH !

also Fury thane wins in beta if we are honest

[dim basalt]

Im expecting Fury nerfs for beta tbh

[slow saddle]

^_^

but imagine doing 90% of the dmg with HALF the weapons equipped

arms is deffo a win

[nova marsh]

Guys

I will never do damage till midnight

[heady smelt]

@drifting venture love your iwt addon, i was wondering if you'd consider adding in sweeping strikes stacks for those of us who play both specs? basically the same ability but for arms and it'd be great as a bar too (or icon wherever we want it separate from tracked buffs)

[spiral coral]

There’s sweeping strike stacks?

[ashen badger]

arms is not feeling fun

[hexed saddle]

yeah it sucks

[ashen badger]

Any copium or just it is what it is

[nova marsh]

It's GG go next

We try again in TlT

[minor gust]

lvl 90 waiting room

[blissful tinsel]

I haven't played arms since last season, are we just keeping rend up on one target in beta colossus build?

[nova marsh]

Guys

You ever do no damage and heal the mobs instead

Das me

[drifting venture]

Hey mate. I’ll look into it

[drifting venture]

12 bars is gonna look weird tho ngl

[rare kite]

i mean arms doesn't really have problems keeping track of ss. i don't really see the need to have it added to iwt

[drifting venture]

I never played arms but i thought so. 12 stacks is alot so you dont really have to actively look for it

[heady smelt]

yeah true, i use the whirlwind icon with stack count version of the addon and really like putting it in its own place and not be part of the tracked buffs in cdm

was curious if the same could be done for ss

[drifting venture]

Ok. Arcui can do that. But I guess if you’re not using it for any other stuff, then it makes more sense to have it on a lighter adddon

[heady smelt]

i saw that frost mages have a bar for freezing stacks in i think arcui so i don't even think it would be a crazy option to have a bar sit on top of cdm where the whirlwind one sits with double digit tick marks since freezing stacks does that as well

i'll try to find a screenshot

[thorn stream]

is it that bad ?

[slow saddle]

Arms feels great atm

in Beta

esp slayer

collosus has had some nice changes as well it has some tuning and prob some small things we would like done but overall its quite ok

Example of thing i want

broad strokes eihter let 12 + 12 = 24 which basicly means Sweeping 100% of the time, or u could just make broad strokes make sweeping passive ?

[thorn stream]

does slayer loose as much st in m+ as colossus ?

[slow saddle]

hmm, depends on what u play, but i mean theres loss ofc. but its still pretty ok in most keys

beaten by thane ofc, but i do expect thane to get a nerf

[rare kite]

If thane specifically gets a nerf then slayer fury will be the play 100%

Tho i don't think thane will get nerfed

[slow saddle]

hm. so we will c the normal