arms

[obsidian otter]

we still not live at 5?

[dense marsh]

nope got delayed another hour

[robust cypress]

6 7

[grave mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[terse osprey]

So arms actually got nerfed?

[grave mulch]

Look at the #old-updates-midnight-beta

[smoky kayak]

servers got uppies

[minor gust]

Time to quickly make my ui before raid

[dire hinge]

godspeed 🫡

[sudden fox]

Has it been confirmed the wraps actually work lol

[deft osprey]

m+ build doesn't take tc huh?

[obsidian otter]

the fact i have to repay to transmog my characters after already paying for it is crazy lol

2300 a character is nuts.. when they was already mogged

[obsidian otter]

for which?

[deft osprey]

the recommended build on wowhead

[obsidian otter]

TC is?

[deft osprey]

am i dumb?

[obsidian otter]

what is TC?

[deft osprey]

thunderclap

tf else would it be

[obsidian otter]

you dont need it anymore

Rend aoe now

[deft osprey]

what

holy shit

[river trench]

anyone have m+ talent tree for arms ?

and also for raid talent

[deft osprey]

check wowhead

[river trench]

ok thanks

[obsidian otter]

nah FoB on troll.. is peak!

that animation looks so good

[uneven zenith]

is it time?! Am I coming out of retirement? It's been 2 expansions and my blade is thirsty

[obsidian otter]

wraps still proc

crushing combo feels massive diff then beta lag i will say that..

Actually doesnt feel buggy

[minor gust]

doing mythic raid right now

these bosses have no hp xd

[proud heath]

The slayer raid MT string on wowhead doesn't work

[uneven zenith]

I havent done an ounce of research on arms, but what I'm messing around with at the moment feels pretty nice

[river ridge]

I saw liquid get Nexus King to 30% before the second set of ghosts spawn

[uneven zenith]

Holy shit! Curoar! I recognize you from a forum guide you posted for... I think BFA. Man. Super cool to see ya on here

[minor gust]

we just killed him without him doing any real mechancis

[obsidian otter]

prepatch best time farm for cosmetics from current raids. ALl the achivements that was from the season already ended

[river ridge]

Literally over a 9 years ago (make the passage of time please stop) but glad I was of some help ❤️

[uneven zenith]

@river ridge I used to post a lot on my warrior Boffin. Good times. Hope you're well bud

[proud heath]

anyone know where this "executioner" buff is coming from?

[proud heath]

thank you

[stable socket]

Guys slam and overpower are hitting too hard I have a bad feeling

[nova marsh]

Guys am I crazy

Or are the new nameplates fucking awful

[obsidian otter]

you can change them

there exactly same as platynator just with less features

[nova marsh]

Idk why I thought displaying the actual HP was a good lmao

[obsidian otter]

there is a modern one that looks better not sure why they dont have that as their base default one atleast

[nova marsh]

Oh yeah

that's way better

[obsidian otter]

I like these ones

clean name and % i turned off overall amount

[nova marsh]

I'd like to see how they handle a big pull

[minor gust]

leg enchant wasnt scaled down very well

[digital karma]

can someone help me figure out an easy way to track colossus smash debuff? The cooldown manager tracks rend but not colossus smash.

[obsidian otter]

prolly why AH is down lol so people cant buy them up and use them

[minor gust]

Doubt it has anything to do with AH but still funny to get more main stat from the enchant than the legs itself

[obsidian otter]

you cant see it on Heath bars?

[digital karma]

I see it there but it's not where I normally look, I prefer having it trackable elsewhere

[obsidian otter]

killed the whole pack lol

[minor gust]

Prepatch everything dies

[obsidian otter]

its crazy how low health they have

[minor gust]

Just more reason to not log onto retail and enjoy some classic TBC prep

[obsidian otter]

CC feels so good on live compared to beta lag CC

The Perfidious Projector does 70k damage increased by 30% per target up to 150% bonus they did not scale that down good

[proud heath]

is execute phase still going to be 1op,2exe,MS?

[frosty lava]

man I kinda hope they remove the colo smash cdr from our apex

CDs are lining up so well for me rn

[elder zealot]

Crushing Combo is pretty fun so far, and it's kinda nice knowing that you aren't throwing out weak Cleaves without the Overpower stacks

[obsidian otter]

it feels good on beta felt glitchy with the lag but on live feels real good compared to beta!

[paper summit]

might turn account back on, can you upgrade gear that you never finished upgrading all the way?

[obsidian otter]

yeah but i mean you dont really need gear if your behind when pre patch event comes you can do that and it will give you gear so your ready for xpac leveling when it launches

if you goal is to be ready for the expansion thats all you need the gear is like champion level track from the event which is still higher then you would need for xpac but sets you up right

[tardy heron]

ok what am I doing wrong? Isnt this bar tracker supposed to show the duratoin of the buff? its just stretching out the icon really big

it previews it like this

[empty sluice]

It has no duration

[tardy heron]

it does the sme for other ones too though

[frosty lava]

A V A T A R type shit

[grave mulch]

i hate the UI now .

its shit

[astral yarrow]

half baked is a lifestyle

[slow saddle]

i allready downloaded the addon to solve that tbh

[slow saddle]

no

just download the addons to solve it like u used to 😄

messin with baseui is a good way to go insane

[grave mulch]

Its the fact that my personal comfy factor has gone out the window and i hate it. i hate having to download more addons to solve what WA did.

we had it for so long

[slow saddle]

i didnt

Until i had to do it today

^_^ and i was like Fuuuuck

https://www.luxthos.com/interface-addon-profiles/ tbh i dipped in here

im just to lazy. and then ill customize from there

setting everything up myself will test my patience with CDM and other shit more than i can think

[strange perch]

I don't know how it will be like on midnight but I did a M+ in prepatch just now and arms felt better to play for me, the only thing that feels off is how I wish tactical edge and crush combo were the same node because doing a colossus smash on a single target boss kind of feels weird when you get 3 free cleaves and nothing else
And SS + colossus smash giving SS feels weird too, I rather have them remove SS from colossus smash and make SS be off gcd but overall I like the changes

[fresh spire]

[hasty pumice]

[minor gust]

[empty sluice]

Anyone knows if nsct addon gonna work?

[thick kelp]

uncertain yet, since blizz only allows changing the font and textures of combat text now

[empty sluice]

F

[bleak arrow]

Gonna try playing arms what’s the TLDR to successfully transition from fury. What are the most important things for me now.

[edgy sinew]

get gear with crit haste not mastery haste

[lean wraith]

anyone having some funky bugs?

my spear macro turns into leap and is usable after using it

#showtooltip
/cast [@Cursor] champion's spear

[dim basalt]

You might wanna read the tooltip of Spear

[karmic reef]

That’s how spear works now

[untold pewter]

Actually insane how you can track Rend but not Colossus Smash duration on the enemy

[lean wraith]

hahahaha

my god, i even searched talents for heroic leap

[thick kelp]

why do u need to track cs duration in prepatch?

[lean wraith]

and didnt see anything flash apart from hero talent and leap itself

[untold pewter]

I used to have a tracker for it to make some priority decisions within the window

[thick kelp]

u are gonna need one in midnight too

[polar portal]

Slayer raid multitarget import code in wowhead seems broken

[thick kelp]

MS prio is higher when CS is up

[untold pewter]

That kind of shit yeah

But somehow

They put "Imminent Demise" and other random shit idk why anyone would track

But not CS

I'm glad at least Rend is there

[thick kelp]

rend kinda useless to track

cuz u dont care about uptime

just slam it as afiller

xdd

[untold pewter]

Oh really? Damn

[slender sonnet]

wide

[bleak arrow]

Oh fr fr? Solid.

[slender sonnet]

arms numero uno arms campeoa de munda

[livid cloak]

Rend is great for old content farming now too. Aoe 1 shots everything

🙂

[untold pewter]

@smoky kayak Not sure someone has reported it but the talent import on wowhead's Arms guide for Raid Multitarget (recommended) seems broken

It copies only this to the clipboard:
[=talent-build-7556

[slender sonnet]

fuck arms feels so fucking sexy

col and slayer

argh

[slow saddle]

Once reap works slayer arms ❤️

[slender sonnet]

I've tried a bit of fury and it feels good but

This version of arms is one of the best feeling specs I've ever played

[fresh spire]

It's likely pulling /pushed a beta build where it requires more talents on class tree and is bugging out. Part of prepatch being cringe. If it loads on wowhead just copy it

[bleak arrow]

Guess it’s a good time for me to try arms then. Nice.

[untold pewter]

It does load on the talent page and the other build copy buttons are working
This is the only one that's off

[fresh spire]

Uh

How many points are spent on class tree onnit

31 or 34?

[untold pewter]

You can't open it from that small menu there

[fresh spire]

Ah

[untold pewter]

But it's this build here:
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/EAOARUUVBRQWYRqRQBEMVVUVGYVVAYUFCFAFEVFRUBE

I reckon just the button is wrong

The build is fine

[fresh spire]

So you can't copy that to paste?

[untold pewter]

You can from this page, you can't using the button in the image I sent above

When you click copy on that button it copies only this:
[=talent-build-7556

But the other buttons are working

[fresh spire]

Ahhhhh

[untold pewter]

So likely just that one button was set up incorrectly

[fresh spire]

The arms guide has wrong paste I guess

[untold pewter]

Yeah that's why I tagged Archi

He's the one who does it yeah?

[fresh spire]

👍

He does the wowhead stuff

[untold pewter]

Aye

Playing Col without being able to track colossus smash on my target via this "cooldown manager" thingy is actually making me lose my mind

How could they forget CS

[slender sonnet]

what are you changing in your rotation when you've got CS on your target?

[untold pewter]

For Midnight mortal strike goes up in prio during CS

For Colossus I want to make sure

I can hit Demolish

In time

In case I need to stack it up to 10

Before sending

Especially for the very first one in a pull going from 0 stacks to 10

[slow saddle]

U can with plater

Its a debuff on enemy

[uneven zenith]

Is Ravager always the pick for Colossus? Or is there a situation where Bladestorm is the play?

[untold pewter]

Nah you can track it on the enemy yeah but I want to track it on my UI

You can track rend

Same thing

But for CS

Idk why you can track rend but not CS

[slow saddle]

Bcoz

[uneven zenith]

You should be able to track it on the cool down manager. I was able to get it going

[slow saddle]

Thats why

[untold pewter]

Nah it's literally not there

[uneven zenith]

You're talking about the stacking buff for demolish, right? The buff granted by MS and Cleave?

[untold pewter]

No the Colossus Smash debuff

[uneven zenith]

Oh! Sorry. I misunderstood

[untold pewter]

Colossal Might is there yeah

[uneven zenith]

They've heavily loosened the restrictions on addon's. I'm sure we will be able to track it once they get updated

[spare goblet]

preach. say more

[untold pewter]

I mean yeah but would be cool if they also just went there and added it

This is mostly fine without an addon

[slender sonnet]

more

[dim basalt]

They should just enable tracking custom spell ids

Cant be that hard

[uneven zenith]

Youre right. 100% It should be there as an option

[uneven zenith]

Seems CS is up way sooner than Demolish. should I use CS when its up and then hold Dem for when CS is back again?

[slow saddle]

100% i say it again esp when we get a bit more rage and reap on sd

[slow saddle]

St?

[uneven zenith]

yeah

Though I suppose the question is relevant for aoe too

[untold pewter]

If you can get Demolish inside the window for sure then just send it
Otherwise it's fine to hold for few seconds like ~3 seconds to get another 1-2 mortal CDR (cleave or mortal strike) casts in before sending

[slow saddle]

St u just dend

And pray

[river ridge]

It'll be easier to line up with apex talents, but at that point you won't have enough rage for your rotation anyways

[uneven zenith]

well at least I will have something to look forward to XD

https://giphy.com/gifs/hulk-MpNVpJLFHoNd6

[uneven zenith]

I know Prepatch is unbalanced and not a good rep of how classes play in midnight, so what changes in Midnight that makes us rage starved?

Atm I'm not having any trouble with rage gen.

[river ridge]

Less stats for starters

Heroic Strike also has huge priority, so it'll have you spending rage more frequently

Its mostly a colossus problem

Slayer is fine so long as they get a Shaman buff

[uneven zenith]

Giving me classic flashbacks. Gotta bully my friend into maining shaman again I guess

[prime ore]

Where's heroic strike? ._.

[river ridge]

Beta

[uneven zenith]

Slam turns into heroic strike with our Apex talents.

We dont get Apex till Midnight launches

[rough pewter]

is there anyone else who cant cast ravager?

[prime ore]

gotcha, ty

[rough pewter]

invalid target

[uneven zenith]

Its on target now. Cant target it anymore

[river ridge]

Ravager has to target an enemy now

[rough pewter]

oh then if i have a macro that cast automatically under me

[soft viper]

ya u gotta target now its not a circle anymore my macro broke

[rough pewter]

i am the invalid target

thanks

[uneven zenith]

I'm curious. When arms is looking to be tuned worse than fury. Do you guys tend to stick with arms? or do you play the spec that is performing best of the two?

OR do you jump to another class if the tuning is really bad?

[thin grove]

I've always played between the two, but it takes some really terrible tuning to make me focus solely on one of them

[slow saddle]

Best, unless its close

This tier it was so far from close

[uneven zenith]

One of the things that has me worried about playing warrior is if Fury is the play, I dont know if Ill be able to play it. Not to sound too old, but Fury plays at a pace that kind of hurts my hands

[bleak arrow]

Just play what you like and tolerate. Fuck the meta.

I’m old and have never tried arms so gonna just full send it this tier.

[minor gust]

Arms and fury play at pretty much the same speed.

Arms is far from slow these days

[uneven zenith]

Maybe I'm just getting over zealous and pressing the buttons too many times

[slow saddle]

I mean fury is faster

But, which keys do u use

So like where binds are also matters

[slow saddle]

Also season 1 midnight we will have less stats so slower gameplay. U could play mastery not haste in talent tree in theroy. Dno dmg difference, then fury deffo aint to fast

[uneven zenith]

I use a lot of keys close to my movement keys

[slow saddle]

But for which buttons matters

[uneven zenith]

E,Q,R,F, 12345

[slow saddle]

I got horrid binds. But used em to long

So my rb in on 4

[uneven zenith]

E,Q,R and F are my most used then 12345

[slow saddle]

Q r are interrupt and charge again not particularly smart🤣

[uneven zenith]

oh man XD haha

[slow saddle]

Man i was young ok

1 2 3 4 5 were the 1s i knew first. Learned later to rebind bars and shit

But brain hardcoded now makes sense on arms

Ms 1 cs 2 exe = z clap q cleave v

Big hands🤣

[bleak arrow]

I’m a 1-4 MWU MWD and tilde gamer, arms seems to have a lot of buttons

[full furnace]

having to take warbreaker for st talents feels wrong

[sharp wyvern]

warbreaker doesnt exist anymore

[full furnace]

thats even worse

[livid cloak]

Colossus smash is just aoe by default

Its way better

[slender sonnet]

bosses die too fast

for me to feel like Im learning anything

[sharp wyvern]

tbf thre isnt anything to learn we are playing scuffed version of out specs rn

[slender sonnet]

true enough

[pliant crypt]

how is arms? i try him little in pvp feels terrible i try little the talents but seems nothing is working good

[slender sonnet]

going on a journey

[minor gust]

You should learn to read your talents :/

[full furnace]

i'm just here to look at the pretty pictures

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/officer-doofy-salute-doofy-gilmore-scary-movie-gif-11316734097478999643

[kind shoal]

With the lost of weakauras is there a way to track the Demolish charges easily? Im having difficulties seeint he little number at the top right lol

[minor gust]

The cooldown manager can track CM stacks

It will just show up as a buff and not something on demolish itself like a WA would

[river ridge]

I setup ArcUI to display stacks of Collosal Might into segemented parts to know when I've hit 10.

[kind shoal]

Ty both, cooldown manager seems fun enough

:3

[livid cloak]

yeah cd manager will show stacks then the demolish button will glow at 10

[obsidian otter]

this if your only using it at 10 stacks just wait for the glow

[slow saddle]

Worst take ever

[nova marsh]

To be fair, once upon a time we took normal CS for aoe

I think that was the start of TWW?

[slow saddle]

Y coz 13 sec haste better than 10sec wb

Or good enuff that st gain was worth the aoe loss

[nova marsh]

Irrc yeah

The aoe loss was p small and the haste was better '

[slow saddle]

But dont complain of removing 1 tax point

[nova marsh]

Yeah it is nice

been playing frost recently and having most of your aoe and ST together feels so weird

[slow saddle]

Y it feels good

[minor gust]

In his defense he was unaware of the CS change

[slow saddle]

Arms still cooked. New thane build for fury is fun

Sexecuties and lightning bolts

Love it

[minor gust]

I recleared the raid as colo

[slow saddle]

And how did u faee

Vs others

[minor gust]

Like middle of the pack, by barely giving a single shit about my play nor bothering to even set up a functioning UI

The bosses fall over like your doing normal in full BIS gear

Think avg was doing around 40k while our other warrior was playing thane doing around 50k and slayer ST he did around 55 idk didn't really care to pay attention much because prepatch

You can easily prob pug Dimmy for the mount during prepatch

[slow saddle]

That undertuned?

[minor gust]

Majority of the fight time was flying around

[bleak arrow]

was that with a bunch of unnerfed timewalking gear?

[minor gust]

You only get 1 set of grips in p1

[minor gust]

Nobody was using any of that.

[olive nest]

My RL said they beat p1 before the first knock back iirc

Like it’s extremely pushover from the sounds of it

[minor gust]

Prob could

[slow saddle]

3 uh dks prob

[bleak arrow]

i mean, glory is gone its just mount farming now so

makes sense its a push over

[minor gust]

It was either gonna be a push over or impossible to kill

As per blizzards history

[olive nest]

Anytime they make the mythic mounts more accessible to any mythic team the better

Still wild to me that the mount isn’t group wide like AOTC

[minor gust]

It's prob their way of continuing to extend the raid tier out

More reason for ppl to not quit after they get CE

[fresh spire]

god the nerfed raid is funny

nexus king did nothing

[minor gust]

Get ready to spend more time flying on dimmy than actually playing the game

[slender sonnet]

No prepatch mythic gang (I left my guild)

[slow saddle]

💔

[slender sonnet]

we out here doing proper content

[fresh spire]

boss died

with like 9 people dead in p3

like 30% after burn with 6 dps dead

joke

[slender sonnet]

lmao wtf

[minor gust]

All the poor guilds doing race to world last struggling up to the very last minute. Then logging in the next day killing the boss instantly like it was on normal

[fresh spire]

tbh nexus king was more stupid

didnt have to soak or do ghosts, no adds, just smack boss

[dim basalt]

y tho

[fresh spire]

we're taking a detour for mounts as raid fell over so hard

[minor gust]

No we got 1 ghost set and then nothing for the rest of the fight

[fresh spire]

also arms feels good

[slender sonnet]

eh

people suck

[minor gust]

You better be colo

[fresh spire]

slayer

[slender sonnet]

ion wanna play w people who have too much ego to do mechs properly

[fresh spire]

though i haven't been pressing bs

[minor gust]

[fresh spire]

logs looking shiny (probs rank 2 already on all)

[slender sonnet]

real

[minor gust]

Na was in maintenance all the way till our raid time.

So I logged in and cleared with barely any semblance of a UI

I was just pressing buttons

[slender sonnet]

I feel like my UI is like 99% the same as every UI ever

[minor gust]

Don't think I even used my Crit trinket once I was so distracted

[fresh spire]

played with screams and feather

kinda wish i has seaform> screams

[minor gust]

Yeah

1 minute long fights

[slender sonnet]

I fully bet my guild is still wiping on dimmy

[waxen fjord]

Wow new mastery rework for arms, that's like the 5th or 6th ?

[minor gust]

Not really a rework if all it did was just remove 1 component and call it a day

[slow saddle]

Always our reworks are like that

[full furnace]

is it worth it to use wrecking throw during cs window ?

[minor gust]

Cutting a talent in half to make two talents jump scare!

[minor gust]

If your using it against something with a shield

[waxen fjord]

we had a mastery in mop, one in wod, one in legion, one in bfa, one in shadowlands to tww, now a new one in midnight

anything i missed ?

Wait we lost roar ?

[dim basalt]

yes. fortunately

[bleak arrow]

After fury I’m overloaded on buttons you all sure you don’t wanna lose a couple more?

[tulip tundra]

Do y'all think that Arms will be a good class to learn melee for mythic raiding? I only have ever played ranged and ranged is just easy af

[full furnace]

too early to tell, but fury is usually the safer choice

[slow saddle]

Dk or fury 100%😅

[bleak arrow]

What’s the gap between the two hero’s looking like for keys?

[sudden topaz]

arms will be fine for most of your needs, it went from the gutter to middle of the pack

its a different story if you are trying to push CE early or pushing keys higher than 12

[dim basalt]

So for one, pushing keys higher than 12 is whatever and spec doesnt matter there

2nd, so much tuning to come

[minor gust]

yell at blizzard on the forums for bringing back ava and rav for no reason

[plush jacinth]

is there a way to track the CS debuff on enemies from the CDM?

[minor gust]

not right now but I believe you can on beta

[sudden topaz]

true, but as it stands right now what i said stands true

[dim basalt]

Not the key part though

15s are easier than 10s before pre-patch

[minor gust]

is this the classic you cant play this spec in a 13 because the content creator tier list said so

[dim basalt]

And what does "push CE early" mean

HoF?

I feel like a lot of people have the wrong vision of top tier guilds

You dont even need splits in the top 200

Lots of top tier high end players dont even know how to play their spec properly

[hexed saddle]

yeah like me

[dim basalt]

yeah

[full furnace]

is there a way, with the cooldown manager, to make an alert when rend is not on the target, i can only make one to tell me that it currently is, which is not very helpful

[minor gust]

I think HOF push is a lil different than key pushing when it comes to what spec you should be playing. Like you are signing up for a more strict goal orientated experience when you join a HOF guild. Where as pushing keys you can get title on any spec by just playing with 4 other equally skilled and like minded people.

[fresh relic]

I put rend on tracked bars, it pops up when used and show as timer.

[livid cloak]

im already feeling some rage issues in keys at times

when heroic strike comes into play

dear god

send help

[sage bison]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[livid cloak]

i really like the new rend, crushing combo, wrecking throw, and having sudden death so far though

dreadnought be doing some damage too

[fresh relic]

What talent is giving HS?

[bleak arrow]

I’m playing arms regardless, it’s time to spend a tier learning something new. Only played prot and fury. I meant more how big is the gap between colossus and slayer in a key build. Are we talking 5% or 25%? 5% I’ll play what I want I’m a non competitive casual but 25% I’ll learn both.

[fresh relic]

I like arms mostly, they could give us more sudden death procs or up tactician % and it would prob smooth out. I was fury before hand so my stats are optimized. More crit and haste might make it feel better

[full furnace]

apex talent thats not in the game yet

[fresh relic]

arnt*

[fresh relic]

ty

[slender sonnet]

Im not finding it that bad idk

[hexed saddle]

#1423008987699351643

[olive nest]

Wish they would just make heroic strikes rage free

[mental moon]

do you refresh rend at 4.5 seconds or 5 seconds?

[uneven zenith]

The pandemic system is usually with 3 seconds or so remaining. Dont know if Rend applies to that system though

[mental moon]

I could've sworn it was either 4.5 or 5 seconds idk tho

[livid cloak]

You can refresh it at 5 without losing efficiency

But

Rend is low prio now so its more of a filler button

Lower*

[dire hinge]

it's a %-amount, correct. I think it's either 30 or 33% of the original spell's duration (including any buffs, like Bloodletting)

[mental moon]

even in pure single?

[livid cloak]

I wouod not aim to refresh at 5 on the dot if other buttons are available like ms or op in single

Or ms op cleave in multi

[mental moon]

ok ty

[livid cloak]

I'd slap it before a cs demolish combo just so the gcd isn't wasted in colossus smash

But like if you had 8 seconds left on rend going into cs, id wait until after cs to refresh if I could use slam instead

[mental moon]

got it

[dire hinge]

for what it's worth, the current APL for midnight has it rereshing at ~8sec (highlighted line, lower on the list = lower priority)

but yeah, to Sean's point, it's lower priority than just sending MS/Overpower, etc. The one exception is if Rend happens to fall off entirely, in which case it becomes your #1 priority to reapply it.

[bleak arrow]

Thunderous Roar goes hard as fuck in midnight

[mental moon]

Thanks

[dire hinge]

of course! happy to help here.

[dire hinge]

what Thunderous Roar

[bleak arrow]

The massive number 2 prio one! Kek

[uneven zenith]

Too soon

[livid cloak]

I do not miss troar at all

[dire hinge]

lmfao, yeah we'll get that removed shortly

[uneven zenith]

https://giphy.com/gifs/xbox-aT2Vf6tJaRyCssznlz

[robust cypress]

arms got... nerfed?

[minor gust]

yes and no

[summer shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[sudden topaz]

that dude is now a cripple

ronnie coleman

[summer shoal]

we respect him nonetheless

LIGHTWIEGHT

[grave mulch]

He is but hes receiving stem cell treatment to help if i last remember

hes doing better then previously

[sage bison]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2hzx9.gif

[summer shoal]

HAVE YE NO HOPE?

[grave mulch]

na

[summer shoal]

I HAVE HOPE

[jade basalt]

Whole thing sound like AI generated sentence to me

like uh if the goal is to make stacks not matter just remove stacks?

[livid cloak]

There's a difference between not mattering and mattering less. It's really difficult to get a 10 stack demo in an opening demolish now with all the cleaves you hit from crushing combo plus the removal of unhinged from ravager

So I'm very happy about this

[warm kindle]

I came in here to complain about arms but I see im not alone in thinking this spec feels awful to play

Was really hoping midnight would make it fun, havent played arms since hellfire citadel which was a blast

[smoky kayak]

you clearly haven't read much AI then

[smoky kayak]

tbh its issues are mostly rage related and partially pre-patch related

• Slayer feels really good on the actual beta, Sudden Death Reap goes extremely hard (just ask @obsidian otter)
• w/ the Battlelord change, Colossus should play pretty similar to Season 3 again

[sudden topaz]

The battlelord change is impactful enough to help Colossus that much?

[smoky kayak]

haven't done a full assessment yet, but it feels pretty significant

it's only around 5% more effective rage, which is a little more than Bloodsurge or Just Warming Up provide, but it's also always beneficial, doesn't overcap, and helps the value of Battlelord in general

[lone laurel]

"holy shit this feels miserable, take me back to TWW and DF arms"
am I alone in this? if I complain on twitter people will tell me im coping because addons that I never used..."
join skyhold discord
yep, it sucks
great

[soft viper]

Arms slayer in keys feels really nice for me

[lone laurel]

why was deep wound removed from mastery
what was "so complex" about a bleed on your abilities
what was so problematic about sweeping strikes being a normal buff instead of charges

[lone laurel]

Feels like it did no damage though I've only ever played colossus so I might just be bad

[soft viper]

about to hit a 13 streets i'll get back to ya :p

[lone laurel]

What talents you run for Slayer just out of curiosity? (when you're back)

[soft viper]

the wowhead m+ build

[lone laurel]

Aite

[smoky kayak]

because they wanted to turn it into a more active effect shared by all three specs

it wans't complex or problematic, they just wanted to do something else w/ it

as for Sweeping Strikes, it's actually better on a charge system

• before, you needed to be very careful about when you timed Sweep, else the buff would be wasted during downtime (e.g. Bladestorm, movement, etc); it made the ordering of abilities awkward
• now, you don't; as long as you use all the charges within the 30s window before it comes back off cooldown, you still get full value

[soft viper]

streets did not feel great. i have no friends so sometimes you get a really brave tank and other times you get the safest guy around lol

[lone laurel]

Yeah, I just did a +12 Priory. Played Slayer. Tank pulled decent-sized packs too, just... pretty bleh deeps

Back to gigachad colossus I go

[soft viper]

hey, we can hand out bonks together buddy LOL

[lone laurel]

I understand all this I just don't like it 🤷‍♂️ Guess I'll get over it lol

[smoky kayak]

What do you not like about it?

In practice, you use it pretty much the same way, though it is a lil funky desync when using Broad Strokes, that’s not really b/c of charges

[soft viper]

i feel like we get more swept attacks now that its charge based

i just find myself overwriting sweeps from CS or something sometimes

[lone laurel]

Typing this is an exclusively M+ and PVP player, I never raid.

I liked Arms being the "bleed" spec, I don't like sharing my toys with f*ry 🤢 (I say this tongue-in-cheek but I also kind of mean it)
I don't like the potential misplay of using Csmash + sweeping strikes because of the hard cap, but that's a skill issue one can learn around
Having sweep stacks leftover with a slight desync with CDs coming up feels awkward (maybe heroic strike reducing the CD of Csmash will make this less of an issue; as in you'll just shrug at the last 3~ sweep charges and csmash anyway?)
Ravager not generating rage sucks, simple as
Martial Prowess is in an unfortunate position in the tree
Resonant Voice really should be moved to where Crushing Force is on the Warrior tree, like wtf even

I DO like tactician being a flat 30% without the janky math behind it AND sudden death can grant tactician 👍
I DO like warrs having a movement speed buff for the group
Crushing Combo is cool
Mass Execution is cool
Dreadnaught does actual meaningful damage finally 🤯

I'd like something that improves the chance to apply deep wounds. The bleeds (seem to) be stronger and I just want greater influence on my DOT uptime

Also are we just swinging demolish immediately after colossus smash or are we holding it for 10 stacks

[summer shoal]

Sweeping strikes in vanilla used to be charges btw

I think its neat, you can pop it before fight seeing as it doesnt use the stacks until youve hit more than one enemy

[lone laurel]

But then you're kind of screwing yourself because you'll overwrite those on next pull with colossus smash

[summer shoal]

then just dont take the sweeping edge talent

[lone laurel]

I do like how long you can have sweep up with broad strokes + sweeping strikes, you just have to use it properly

[summer shoal]

okay well thats not a very hard think to keep track of

[vale gorge]

"We want Demolish to feel satisfying to use even at low or no Colossal Might stack" Did they even know the spec ?

[summer shoal]

i will never understand the explanation of "we want colossus to be useful even without 10 stacks" if youre using demolish without 10 youre trolling

[vale gorge]

Avatar should give 10 stack for pull and thats all we need

[summer shoal]

or at least 5

better yet

bring back execute being able to grant you colossal might

and if demolish comes up too quick with that- then turn demolish from 45 secs to 1 min or something

[floral ledge]

its a nerf at 10 stack so ?

[slow saddle]

No its 1-1

[slender sonnet]

arms bomba

[slow saddle]

Still just remove the whole stacks game

And give demo a static cd

Arms has enough cdr. Imho at least

[slender sonnet]

keep the CDR and remove the stacks

So you don't do less damage on pull 1 of the key cause u have no stacks

[tranquil oar]

Tigers are we still gonna be the underdog in midnight compared to fury ?

[dim basalt]

🔮

[obsidian otter]

We do have more sweeping you can even without the +6 talent keep sweeping up 100% in aoe now. Not so much currently because we don’t have the apex talent but on beta when I tun keys with the lower CS from our apex you pretty much CS in openers you use 10-11 stacks use sweeping at 1-2 stacks left and CS is back up before you run out of stacks. Even on day the duo bosses you can 100% have sweeping up whole fight and the new talent that gives you 25% to sweeping making you do 100% damage to two targets it’s actually pretty insane.

[dim basalt]

And with that being said, rest in peace already horrible apex

[obsidian otter]

I think it will get nerfed specially since I do double everyone’s dps on those bosses alone

[dim basalt]

No lol

Thats very naive thinking

[thick kelp]

2s of cdr when 5s of it was already competing with other 2nd gate talents

idk

they need to do 180 here to save it

[dim basalt]

Just make it add 5% damage amp on CS and call it a day

With the cdr it will never be in a great spot

Id hate to figure out for every single encounter whether I want the cdr or not (assuming its somewhat equal in ST)

[obsidian otter]

Currently I get with just AM like 30-35s CS cooldown. With apex you get 18-23s CS cooldowns. So you can see in a pull if it’s taking say 1:03 time to kill it. You’re getting 1-2 crushing combs vs 3-4 crushing combos. Which is more reap procs more SD proc chances more tac proc chances.

[dim basalt]

Too bad the apex is getting nerfed though?

[obsidian otter]

Prepatch you not getting that currently without it

[dim basalt]

Also youre not considering opportunity costs

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[obsidian otter]

I don’t think enough people got to use it before it got changed we needed damage elsewhere BS increase etc

[obsidian otter]

OP cost??

[dim basalt]

Not the ability/talent lmfao

[obsidian otter]

The talent in slayer?

What do you mean by opportunist cost? Sorry

[dim basalt]

What you give up in order to take apex

It doesnt matter what the apex gives you if options are strictly better

Nobody cares about lower cs cd if other talents are better and cause less headaches

[obsidian otter]

The build that is ran currently is build that’s been used in keys 15-18 your not giving up anything your not giving up now. The bigger issue we’re having is rage. So a lot of talents you want to take you can’t due to rage starving. It’s why the higher keys are ran without imp exe. And few other talents that would cause more rage issues

OP build is like only one you don’t have rage issues. And I’ve done keys +15 without bloodletting and used imp exe it’s not terrible but execute phase you can feel it. Which can lower your dps.

[paper turret]

Hello boys how is arms feeling not had chance to play yet

[dim basalt]

Undertuned in pre-patch, Slayer is doing fine at 90

Oh I actually take the former back, Arms is not doing too badly in raid

[paper turret]

Mechanically feeling nice to play?

[dim basalt]

Yeah its fine, much better without Juggernaut

[paper turret]

Great looking forward to getting on tonight and giving it a go

[obsidian otter]

I run a lot of keys in beta. Currently have hunter BM/ survival separate characters. Sub rogue enhancement shammy WW monk. Havok DH. Arms and fury. All 2.6-3.3k raiting arms highest raiting. What I notice is arms had the lowest with CDs burst with higher AoE sustain outside of CDs and mid to decent single target sustain with higher single target burst.

CS/BS buff would bring our Aoe burst up! Aswell as increase single target more which may be issue 😂 as we’re already pretty high single target and I think that is the issue there having

And the fix to that would be nerf MS some to reduce unhinge and our single target damage

[thick kelp]

wild world u live in if you think our m+ st is high

[dim basalt]

And nerfing MS is the correct way to enrage the entire arms community

[obsidian otter]

Exactly

[obsidian otter]

High as in compared to our aoe vs others our aoe burst is pretty low vs our single target burst it’s higher. I shouldn’t be doing almost 200k single target and staying there first 20% or bosses life vs doing 350k-400k aoe like very early do everything line up procs etc and crits and you hit over 500k on a aoe pull vs other classes doing 500k-900k aoe

Yet they don’t do even 150k single burst.

[dim basalt]

Sounds like a fine trade-off to me

[obsidian otter]

Overall it adds up in keys only like locks are busted busted in beta but we see how they are busted in prepatch idk all 3 lock specs pump it’s actually insane

[dim basalt]

Data says that warlock isnt that great in keys

Same with raid

[fresh spire]

Real

[fresh spire]

Problem with it was your first abilities was never buffed by it. So the cleave/ms applying it never was buffed by mastery which was bad design. Moving deep wounds to its own talent and letting then stack over each other is actually really strong. It really adds more power to execute now making it feel much nicer when considering jug also died

[dim basalt]

https://imgflip.com/gif/ai1j1l

Why does it not embed

[slender sonnet]

bring back iftk

[dim basalt]

We have IFTK at home

[slender sonnet]

[sacred zodiac]

did you see juggernaut is dead

[slender sonnet]

yes

but I still miss iftk

[latent moss]

i miss tide of blood

chatting

i miss improved mortal strike

[pliant crypt]

i say it many days before they will nerf arms before expa go out and they already nerf him at prepach and we are already trash one more expa with terrible arms warrior.

[livid cloak]

Arms is great

[pliant crypt]

i will say what next when arms stay alot behind from other classes they will give some fake buffs 3% to all dmg somthing like this and thats all

[dim basalt]

Dooming before expansion is even out

And Arms isnt even looking that bad on beta

[pliant crypt]

we see that alot years is not new so im not dooming

the last i remeber little good arms it was for 2 month in dragonflight sesson 1 or 2 i dont remeber very good but for little time

[dim basalt]

Arms was fine in Season 2 this expac

[grave mulch]

^

[pliant crypt]

s2 you have no resson to play arms with that unholy dk

[dim basalt]

Im talking TWW

[pliant crypt]

s2 arms low a to low b tier

[dim basalt]

Also in what world of low A bad wtf

[pliant crypt]

for tww we speak

[grave mulch]

it was pretty decent what you mean

[dim basalt]

Arms straight up wasnt bad in S2

[grave mulch]

^

[dim basalt]

Even had play in some encounters in RWF

[grave mulch]

the teir was was decent

[pliant crypt]

with that uncholy dk you have no resson to play arms

[dim basalt]

So youre just entitled

Got it

[gusty nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/hyperventilate-cant-breathe-hyperventilation-sheldon-cooper-gif-3510677630357883825

[dim basalt]

Theres like 37 specs or so in the game, expecting Arms to be really good often is lowkey delusional

When there are so many different variables in the game

[pliant crypt]

no but this is truth even top warrior players on sesson 2 they play uncholy dk

[dim basalt]

?

And if I sort by # parses there are still melee specs above UHDK

And bunch of other melees, that were also worse than Arms, very close to UHDK

Other than that I dont even remember uhdk being strong

[pliant crypt]

nevermind i hope i just dooming and you have right but my opinion warrior is trash now and talent tree is very bad i hope they will see that and be better

[dim basalt]

Arms was fine the first two seasons and is bad just this season, I dont see any reason for dooming

And in worst case theres always Fury

[pliant crypt]

2 sessons good no way that long sorry bro i remeber they start nerfing at half of sesson 2 and sesson 1 it was terrible on pve and little good on pvp nevermind

[dim basalt]

It was good in the beginning of S1, got stray nerfs because of Fury but then got buffed a ton in the middle of S1

And S2 was just a small nerf in the beginning of the season but was middle of the pack for the rest of it

[slender sonnet]

was good in S1 aswell

s1 arms my beloved

[scarlet atlas]

hows arms in midnight? colosus or slayer?

for m+

[slender sonnet]

probably end up being middle of the pack

but it seems fun

I'm having a lot of fun with arms

[scarlet atlas]

middle would be awesome ngl

upper middle, top 10, would be best, well they have 5 weeks till release hope they will take care of our boy x)

[latent moss]

dw fury will overperform on the first 2 fights get nerfed and arms will catch a few strays

[dim basalt]

That can only happen if Slayer becomes meta no?

[untold trench]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-cat-okay-cat-cat-ok-cat-okay-thumbs-up-crying-cat-gif-14516071108819125230

[safe idol]

yo is there a way to track your dstance buff? i've always had a wa that reminded me i was in dstance with a glowing icon but i dont see dstance in the cdm

[latent moss]

colossus cluegi

actually true

slayer fury sucks

thane gonna own in raid cause a lot of aoe

arms might dodge strays this time

[rapid bronze]

do people have a favorite CDM profile yet? any of them tailored well for arms?

[smoky kayak]

not yet, but it's being added

[livid cloak]

ive been using this - made it look like old luxthos

[rapid bronze]

that looks like the new luxthos addon no?

[livid cloak]

Idk

I did it with cdm

Plus quaziis ui manager

[rapid bronze]

ah ok. I'm using luxthos right now but it doesn't offer a ton of customization options unless I'm missing something, although it might not be such a terrible idea given how overwhelming setting up everything is

[subtle perch]

hey guys iam, new to warri, i love arms becasue of the big 2h weapon, but is arms easy to learn ?

i would likee to reroll from prieest to waRRI

[olive nest]

All 3 warrior specs are easy to learn

[zealous flume]

how reliable is raidbots sim for arms rn? it seems.... strange that fury would sim 39k for me and arms 25

especially since they dont seem to be that far apart in logs at all

[olive nest]

Last I heard arms mastery is bugged in sims

[zealous flume]

ah

[olive nest]

Likely what you’re seeing there

[zealous flume]

ty

[dim basalt]

Fury is also just way stronger in pre-patch

[icy mulch]

Same, was rather easy to setup which was nice. Still not a fan of the new mog system though.

[dim basalt]

Luxthos also has full profiles available for free

Just need to download a few addons and import all the profiles, takes like ~3 minutes to set up

[dusky coral]

haven't had much time to play properly, how did arms get through with the changes? we winning or losing

[river ridge]

For Live servers? Probably fine literally every PVE encounter outside of Timewalking (mainly cuz ppl are undergeared) is a joke.

Beta? (Don't strike me down mods pls) We have a few rage issues that need to be addressed and our Apex Talent in its current state probably won't be fully picked (see 1/4 meme).

Other than that pretty solid. Heroic Strike is fun to press, a lot of the modifers have been removed so just a solid priority system that should play well assuming tuning is good.

[lofty pulsar]

So I’m a Hekili user, is there any way to replicate old Hekili or am I just boned? I like seeing the next 3 buttons lol (yes I know I’m dogpoo for being a Hekili user but I’m not super competitive and max out at like 3300)

[river ridge]

Your only option is probably the Blizzard assisted highlight setting, but IDK how accurate that is. One of the API peeps might know

[dusky coral]

Nice, sounds like we didn't suffer too much! thanks

[dim basalt]

The rage issues also mostly affect Colossus, as Slayer you rarely run into that problem

[river ridge]

Yeah, assuming no additional changes if you make friends with a Shaman you should be fine.

[nova marsh]

Marry a resto

Easy rage

[rapid bronze]

your only option is to use the rotation assist. There are a couple of addons (I forget their names but can look them up) that basically create a bar similar to hekili's that show you the ability recommended by the rotation assist and the next 2 abilities in the prio list. You don't deal with the 1 button rotation penalty if you press the buttons yourself instead of using the assistant, and I think the estimate is currently that the rotation assist is only 5% less dps than a perfect rotation

Luxthos's cooldown manager also has an option to highlight the recommended spell in the CDM itself

that said if you relied on hekili previously it might be a good idea to just try to learn the class better as who knows how well they'll keep updating the rotation assist as they tune specs and abilities and prune or add to them

[spiral coral]

Imo either use one button or learn the rotation lol

[rapid bronze]

yeah this is honestly the best time to do it

[forest dove]

any builds for pre-patch for slayer? or is col still the go to for keys in prepatch?

[lofty pulsar]

I mostly used it as a guide. I hit high 3200 last season lining up CDs just not sure how complicated it is as it currently stands

[stable socket]

I only want to play arms I dont want to press slam as a warrior is there any solution to this problem

[thick kelp]

no

[outer forge]

wowhead has builds for both

[forest dove]

is it competitive right now?

or is it still all collossus for the time being?

[river ridge]

Still Collossus if you're doing keys, but honestly most PVE content is pretty easy with the stat squish. Play what you want.

[naive sage]

Are people deadass doing 50 lvl keys?

I mean

[river ridge]

I mean the Timewalking Vendor was selling +600 iLvl gear on earlier in the week. It wouldn't be surprised me if they got some weird gear allowing them to push that high

But also like, people who aren't abusing weird bugs are also clearing content super fast. Like people are pugging Mythic Dimmy cuz because you can zerg through all the mechanics super fast

[slow saddle]

No

Not unless they abused gear ofc

[obsidian otter]

yeah they would had to of used enchants not scaled gear from timewalking not scaled

[twin hazel]

Screams of a forgotten sky still good?

[obsidian otter]

yeah there is another one that is really good that didnt get scaled down like it should have starts with a P

I have it on alt was like wtf lol does so much damage busted damage

Pretty sure thats not suppose to be almost 70k and thats increased by up to 150% lol

[rapid bronze]

If you don’t follow it religiously then using the cdm with highlights on the rotation assist spells you’re good to go

[twin hazel]

Had one in my bag, holy crap the DMG!

[obsidian otter]

i know.. crazy

when i used it was like.. hold on second lol

[twin hazel]

50% of my DMG, and its 4/8 hero

[obsidian otter]

Yeah I think a lot of things passed the wrong scaling check list and got through 😂

[grave mulch]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/datamined-class-tuning-hotfixes-on-live-servers-unholy-dk-tuning-380069?utm_source=discord-webhook thats while they had to nerf pre-patch live unholy DK LMAO

[mortal niche]

I already miss blood and thunder

[nova marsh]

Play fury and you wont

[inland tartan]

arms gamers, how we feeling about the patch

[sudden topaz]

It's whatevs, just hoping for more favorable endgame tuning

[obsidian otter]

As much as we like cleaves short range and positioning!

[inland tartan]

those are literally my two favorite things omg

[warped solstice]

Yes, but do we like it as much as a tank that runs away from you while you're casting Demolish?

[obsidian otter]

maybe a little less than that lol

[polar drum]

Did arms get button bloat relief with midnight? Thinking about coming back.

[obsidian otter]

arms and fury didnt really lose anthing besides Thunderous Roar.

So if it was to many before its same now. still MS/Overpower/Slam/Colossus Smash/Execute/Cleave/ Rend/ Bladestorm we got heroic strike on same button procs on slam

[inland tartan]

omg that IS my favorite thing!

so is it still just play fury? bleh 🙃

ill haveta see for myself. im a casual so it doesnt really matter too much

isnt like ill be dpsing in a dungeon anytime soon. 😭

[obsidian otter]

do you mythic plus?

[inland tartan]

yeah i do.

[terse osprey]

any idea why were using Wrecking Throw now?

[inland tartan]

i typically try to +10 everything.

i always shoot for 3k but usually get burnt out because I pug

[terse osprey]

pug life is rough

[inland tartan]

yeah it can be. demon hunters, druids, paladins always being weird.

[obsidian otter]

you should be fine i did +15 everything on beta and still was top dps in almost every key but like few with pugs. So if your only going +10 your good. Im sure will get buffs as well along the way

[inland tartan]

and im not like a super sweaty minmaxxer so i get cussed out for not following THE route.

[obsidian otter]

your not tanking just follow the tank lol

[terse osprey]

Yall enjoying arms or fury more so far?

[inland tartan]

lmao i tanked this whole goddang season!

[obsidian otter]

oh.. rip lol

they got new thing though in keys lv +2-5 which will be good first week shows you mobs to kill

[inland tartan]

it was "i'll tank till i get some gear" and now midnight is here :^)

[obsidian otter]

so you can get the idea of path easier killing them and leaving the ones without the symbol

[polar drum]

Ah ok yeah I think it was cleave and slam that I didn’t care for much. Seemed like meaningless filler.

[inland tartan]

im curious on this as well. i imagine it's for some mechanics w/ absorb shields like streets.

[obsidian otter]

They gave us a new cleave talent called crushing combo lets us press cleave after Colossus smash 4x in row

[inland tartan]

or maybe its just far left side doesnt have anything else thats cool

[obsidian otter]

and cleave procs slam with FoB and having sweeping strikes up your doing 1 cleave 2x slam per cast with chance for reap to proc as slayer

[polar drum]

Are you still casting slam in ST?

[warped solstice]

Sweeping strikes feels like it's always up in AoE.

[obsidian otter]

mainly Heroic strike procs they morph from slam

but few times you may need to press slam as filler single target

they just buffed the HS proc by 50% so you may never need to press slam with that change

[obsidian otter]

if you run talent where Colossus smash gives you 12 stacks of sweeping strikes you can keep it up 100% just use sweeping strikes after last stack. And when you finish those 12 Colossus smash should be back up and ready

[warped solstice]

Yep, that what I thought. I'm for sure not playing optimally yet, but I wasn't ever running out of sweeping.

[obsidian otter]

#1423008987699351643 message This shows keeping sweeping up whole time

if you overlap it and sweeping to soon or CS to soon with stacks you will have downtime currently that is with no apex talent CDR as well. SO just from Anger management you can keep it up

[forest hearth]

I haven’t had a chance to look into the changes and updates, how viable are we looking for midnight raiding gang?

[empty dew]

arms just needs fel cleave and primal rend

[slow saddle]

I swear why is 12 + 12 = 12 on sweep stacks

B. Lizzard let em stack so we dont gotts think

[obsidian otter]

No I know.. I get it 😢

They want all the new players to play everything but arms warrior 😂

[slow saddle]

I mean like with cdr

U wanna press sweep at like 3 stacks

And pray for resets

[obsidian otter]

Yeah that’s when I was over caping it 3-4 and I was good

[slow saddle]

Thats messy though

[obsidian otter]

That was also with 4/4 apex but the 5s not the 2s one

[slow saddle]

Y

Its a mess 2 much cdr

[obsidian otter]

I honestly wouldn’t put a point in 2s vs every other talent your just gaining more

[slow saddle]

Let em stack if not 2 24. Then 2 18?

[slow saddle]

I mean blizzard needs to just give a "set" bonys for 4/4

Or not let apex activate without

Or just buff👌🤣

[obsidian otter]

I’m still hoping for a cleave incase range we got warbreaker increase rend is decent but it’s still such a short cone range you miss a lot more cleave hits with positioning compared to using whirlwind

[slow saddle]

Our apex got nerfed

It was 5/10 per stack

If they kept that mby....

I dno man. I love hs as a proc, i still think it should copy sd and be free

[obsidian otter]

I tested the bugged stacks the 50% actually busted at 10 stacks no decay lol but we won’t ever reach that

[slow saddle]

Its free in aoe, but cost me rage in st?

[slow saddle]

Ofc nor should we

[obsidian otter]

Free HS would help with rage more for sure

[slow saddle]

As tuned around havin 10 stacks would suck

Its more its free in fackin aoe

Makes no sense🤣

[obsidian otter]

Idk I just don’t like stacks it’s either ramp up or big amount and decays over time boring to me

I wanted something interesting

[slow saddle]

Its just a passive dmg. Im fine with that

Arms got very good gameplay

Esp slayer

[obsidian otter]

I like slayer for sure feels good

[slow saddle]

Both m+ and raid builds

Bl for collosus givesnit a chance

[obsidian otter]

Pre patch builds are meh I don’t raid or mythic in pre patch I already hit achievements and gear capped

[slow saddle]

I still say just make demolish replace cs as col or let demos 1st swing be a cs ( worth 3 seconds)

[obsidian otter]

That’s why I mythic so much in beta end game

[slow saddle]

So u always demo on cd without having to think

[empty dew]

slayers the off meta right

[obsidian otter]

So no CS as colossus

[slow saddle]

Nah collosus would apply cs via demo

[obsidian otter]

Ahh so just bake it into the demolish

[slow saddle]

Yeah

Or make demo a 30 sec cd

[obsidian otter]

1 less button for Colossus arms I guess

[slow saddle]

Rmeove the stack thingy

Its not button, its the misalignment of cds

That sucks asshole

[obsidian otter]

That’s slayer issue to having to hold off on CDs so they align feels bad

And BS feeling to weak atm

[slow saddle]

I mean on slayer imma just send 99%

Nono

It doesnt feel weak

It is weak

[obsidian otter]

Your dps shouldn’t go down when you press it lol

[slow saddle]

No feels bout it

[slow saddle]

Its a crime rly

Bladestorm is our only.big ass cd

Step 1 should work with tier

[obsidian otter]

I’ll be at like decent pull 360k BS come off CD I press it drop to 340-330… like what is going on 😂

[slow saddle]

So it keeps cs up on all targets

Stupid that in st its good enuf

In aoe bad

[obsidian otter]

I mean unhenge increases the CS duration

[slow saddle]

In st

[obsidian otter]

So it’s already doing that

[slow saddle]

Not in aoe

Only main target brotha

[obsidian otter]

True

[slow saddle]

Where as cleave keepa it up on all

So either 1 make bladestorm so fuckin big we cs anyways

Or make it keep up cs in aoe as well

[obsidian otter]

It needs to be big BS like there no shot it needs increased period

[slow saddle]

Pressing a cd outside our cds seems dumb

It applies stacks though

So.not to bad usin on pull

[obsidian otter]

I did figure out how to get 100% haste on my opener though as arms

Insane speed

[slow saddle]

How so

Bladestorm cancel

[obsidian otter]

I kinda don’t wanna share it and get it nerfed lol

[slow saddle]

🤣

[obsidian otter]

Nah no cancel

You just need 30% haste to make it work

Base haste

[slow saddle]

If its bug abuse just shaee

[obsidian otter]

Nah no bug

[slow saddle]

We will be tuned around it

Prepatch thing i presume?

[obsidian otter]

It’s lust the haste after BS and troll racial plus the 30% base haste and haste pot puts you at 35%

[slow saddle]

Str pot is bigger no?

[obsidian otter]

So you get 40 lust 15 from BS and 10% from racial troll

I ate pot yes I mean the long pot haste

Last 2 hours haste

[slow saddle]

Its freakin 50% more str

Ah

Flask

[obsidian otter]

Yeah haste flash

[slow saddle]

Btw whats up with prepatch pots

[obsidian otter]

Makes bladestorm go from 4.5s to 3.9

[slow saddle]

19ste wthelly

Str

[obsidian otter]

So your out of bs faster to on it

[slow saddle]

Heck bs prepull m8🤣🤣👌

[obsidian otter]

Idk a lot of stuff weird on pre patch scaling

[slow saddle]

Spin into bosses hit em on last spin?

Bl on pull go ham🤣

[obsidian otter]

I like battle lord to much not gonna lie 😂

I had it go back to back like 10 times Op into Ms into Op in a row

On single target boss was nice

Even 2 boss sweeping that’s nice

[slow saddle]

Yup

I love dreadnaught being good

For what it does for dmg profile in lightcleave

[candid bison]

i dont have the stats for arms, but do wanna try it out. how is arms doin so far?

[halcyon valve]

My first impression was that its doing alright? Idk the larger picture

[dim basalt]

Its fine yes

[slow saddle]

if u are just trying slayer

haste -mastery is just good

[silver gyro]

yo guys can someone give me build for slayer arms in current?

[dim basalt]

wowhead can

[chilly wind]

man, we are rage starving again?

[slow saddle]

Y u P

[untold pewter]

Indeed, it gets better with shaman buff but yeah

[steep osprey]

Also gets better with BL change

that isn't up yet

[slender sonnet]

wait so did they actually remove PI or was I getting trolled in raid

[dim basalt]

You were trolled

[slender sonnet]

oh

they hate arms

[slow saddle]

Even arms hates arms💔

[slender sonnet]

I love arms

[slow saddle]

I love it, but also hated its st dmg

I hated juggernaut

[untold pewter]

I hated juggernaut and "kaching"

[slender sonnet]

my first time playing arms was in DF S4, and I immediately fell in love, then slayer arms in TWW S1

man

what a time to be alive

[slow saddle]

Arms was decent in df

Slayer is what ruined juggernaut

[sacred zodiac]

juggernaut was always bad oly moly

[slow saddle]

It was never good

[slender sonnet]

I just turned off WA's tracking jugg and balled having fun

[latent moss]

bro missed sl arms

(i missed legion arms)

[icy mulch]

I miss Cataclysm Arms.

[sacred zodiac]

slarms was kinda nice

ms on cd

oly moly

[uneven zenith]

I enjoy having arms personally. I find them rather useful.

[slender sonnet]

my first time playing warrior was DF S1

before that I was a paladin/druid playert

[slow saddle]

Slarms made sense at least

Rotationwise rage wise

Bladestorm was for aoe

[chrome minnow]

Hi, I was an outlaw main and currently dislike the state it is in. Is arms a good pick?

[thick kelp]

no

[chrome minnow]

Why is that

[thick kelp]

because i currently think so

[summer shoal]

Holy not true

[minor gust]

That's something only you can decide. Play it and see if YOU like it

[sacred zodiac]

Holy true + you are stupid

[summer shoal]

For raids and for tank you had escalating dmg where you ramped up slowly and if you got good sudden death procs you could end fights quickly or apply pressure

Sure it was completely unpredictable. But reliable when it was

I found a lot of use for it in PvP too

Especially if you’re mountain thane

https://youtu.be/6hMqvb8QiUk?si=O_WIXiHxNGl1MNzl

Juggernaut OP

[minor gust]

That's neither the same juggernaut nor even an arms warrior

[uneven zenith]

I remember a raid or two where Juggernaut was doing good numbers, but I didn't enjoy that style of play as much

[agile igloo]

Bring back nyalotha arms and give me expedient. Execute my way to the top.

[sacred zodiac]

okay im not talking about juggernauts performance, it obviously was a talent you clicked as the numerically best choice for almost every iteration since its inception, its just design wise bland and shit

it devalues execute like crazy in the class the execute phase is named after to the point where they cant make execute actually hit hard so almost every single other class that has some sort of execute integration does more damage than us in execute

it has vaguely ruined the design space for warrior the same as signet has since sl

[summer shoal]

For being bland, I mean it is a relatively bland class you can’t do much with it when it’s been going for two decades

[sacred zodiac]

every class is bland theyre recycling dnd classes from the last millenium

not a relevant point when wow still imo delivers the best warrior class fantasy out there

[summer shoal]

WBC

Also tbh for a talent named Juggernaut you’d think it would relate to sustain or hp

But shit look at my name. I won’t complain about execute talents

[summer shoal]

Just say you’re a non-believer

[untold trench]

Vid makes me smile every time

[summer shoal]

THERES A BELIEVER

[dim basalt]

Jugg in TWW was one of the worst abominations this game ever created

[untold trench]

It was not strong enough to be real fun. It was balanced to the point of being boring.

It was a miss, sadly. Modern wow allows for very little silly fun

[signal niche]

Hello guys !

Do you have any build for arms atm ? M+/Raid

Already checked Wowhead, but looking for some others build to try 🙏

[minor gust]

Bold of you to assume there's other builds besides swapping 1 or two points around

[weak wave]

How can we have this in the Blizz dmg meter?

[minor gust]

You dont

You download details

[weak wave]

meh

[ember hatch]

Hi, do you also not have the spell sweeping strike in the cooldown management section and then the buff section?

in the blizzard in the basic blizzard interface without addons

[summer shoal]

FUN DETECTED- DISPATCHING BLIZZARD POLICE

[summer shoal]

I got it

[ember hatch]

I don't have it, I sent a ticket to Blizzard and they told me to check the weekaura and the addons carefully but they removed them XD

[weak wave]

And why the fck is Sweeping Strikes not trackable with buffs?

[minor gust]

It is

[weak wave]

where?

[ember hatch]

u have the same problem

of me

[weak wave]

hm?

[minor gust]

Would send you mine but I'm not at home but it very much is tracking fine sounds like you're fucked

Could actually be because I have the better cooldown manager addon.

[weak wave]

Hm okay I'll try this

Thank

s

[halcyon valve]

I dont and it lets me track sweeping /shrug

[minor gust]

No clue then

Maybe some weird ass bug

[halcyon valve]

Multi dollar company bug

[minor gust]

TBC classic is absolutely riddled with them and no surprises retail is too

Such an insanely dumb idea to do this addon nuke when they weren't ready, but oh well here we are

[slender sonnet]

they need to add trinkets to cooldown manager

[halcyon valve]

Should be possible yeah

They can check talents to show cooldowns conditionally, they can figure out a way to do that with equipped items

[void shell]

Does arms no longer have a seperate execute rotation

[slender sonnet]

just stack EP into MS I think

[olive nest]

This could be outdated after the guys did more apl work but this was the last little sneak peak I saw from wahle

I have zero context for this screenshot so take it with some salt

[void shell]

Thats pretty funny ngl

Colossus smash debuff isnt trackable in cooldown settings (:

[olive nest]

Iirc the topic at the time was whether or not the rage cost of MS was worth pressing it during execute but I could be making that up from poor memory 😂

[void shell]

IG apex talents will change that. Or blizz will

[olive nest]

I’m not at my pc but you could run a quick sim and scroll down to the ability timeline and see what it does

[minor gust]

Outdated also not for prepatch.

[olive nest]

There you have it, thanks for clarifying. I’ve been out of the loop a lot the past few weeks gotta sort through the bread crumbs soon 😆

[minor gust]

Execute rota should be the same in prepatch as TWW. Just a lil more OP focus to not over cap op charges if ur playing Colo cuz rage

Just keep it simple and play around EP

[minor gust]

Sims aren't gonna be updated for public use yet

[still fox]

any chance to get ravager with macro @ player?

[slender sonnet]

wait ong?

[still fox]

my old dont go>.<

[slender sonnet]

why are they executing the pillo

so rude

[minor gust]

It's not gonna work because ravager gets thrown at your target now

[still fox]

ah ^^

[slender sonnet]

so much better than the reticle targeting imo

that made it such a cringe ability

[olive nest]

Haha it’s outdated

I’m just yappin

[minor gust]

Things are frequently changing I'm struggling to keep up too

[slender sonnet]

Oic

[velvet vessel]

weakauras died for this https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/iww-improved-whirlwind-tracker-simplified

ffs bliz

[smoky kayak]

down at the bottom where it says 11, change the profile

[weak wave]

Yeah thanks 🙂

[smoky kayak]

idk exactly what causes it, but it's some kind of bug where the game creates a profile that's missing some spells

[dire hinge]

ah yeah i had that happen earlier this week, it was very obscure to fix it

[limber apex]

how is arms compared to fury in pure ST pve dps ? is there a big gap?

[slender sonnet]

In my experience they're pretty close

[minor gust]

Highest fury sim is 55k with Slayer no BS for ST. Highest arms sim is like 37k. It's not that close but it's prepatch performance doesn't matter.