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Slayers a fair bit worse than colossus in m+ due to the lack of aoe
no
I would just sim the talent swap and see how much you lose. But in my experience the talent build is the talent build
Ok good to know. Since I'm doing low sub 10 shitter keys right now. The pull sizes are not very big typically. it's probably why it feels solid but also player are bad.
I’ve played slayer in everything below 15 as I find not being able to get a demolish off for every pack set is pretty bad. But execute is up more frequently. Everything 15 an above slayer chokes out. In my opinion
ty both for the answer 🙂
Ok I'll learn colossus but might just swap between them depending. I dislike the extra button bloat colossus has. Adding rend,clap that skull thing and demolish. Feels so shit
Ty for answers.
I do not recommend skull splitter personally. Take the extra point in blood borne and take the arterial bleed hero talent
Ok might try that
Anyone know if Galagio rep is just a once a week(per boss) thing? Or can I run it mutliple times if I missed out during season 2?
Its just once per boss per week
oh hey, i made dis 
good afternoon, im looking to watch some pvp vods of warriors in shuffles and blitz, anyone have any recommendations on who i can look up? thanks
#pvp might have some good reccs if nobody here does. This channel is a bit more PVE focused
Flokko
Is haste/crit still top pick for m+ content ?
is dungeonslice worth simming as arms? Or just stick to patchwerk multiple targets?
The latter
Am i supposed to press slam as arms colossus? Or am i better off pressing thunderclap when mortal strike and overpower / execute are unavailable?
Im speced into both rend and thunderclap btw
use slam if nothing available and >50 rage
how does arms feel on the beta so far?
depends on who you ask
i think if MS procced heroic strike, the spec is very good gameplay wise
it still feels good to me
100% a crime it doesnt
But q s, do we press op more?
tune in!
Why is every class getting streamlined but warriors seem to get even more bloated?
They dont know what to do with us
They did go into a good direction in early alpha builds but then added stuff back again
Yeah I dont like it
They really need to bake rend or just remove it
Might be worst button warrior has had in general over the history of wow that they want to make work so bad
It just contributes to the button bloat really
I’m not sure how they could go about it besides just not having multiple DoTs
Like would you want it tied to Slam?
DW is already tied to MS so probably wouldn’t tie it to MS
Maybe it could work where ms/slam applies one of each and CS applies both so opener is smoother?
Problem is deep wounds is kinda applied by execute only now
Rend itself almost never does damage and instead has purely been used for overpower, it has no place in the current game
They could easily remove stuff for x,y,z reasons. Just look at feral... It sure seems like they just don't know what to do.
If you´re asking me they could bake in both rend and hamstring to overpower or mortal strike. Just remove slam and make execute hit harder as a finisher should. Also execute giving deep wounds is a weird and dumb dynamic. If i want to finish off a target then why would i put a DoT on them, doesnt make sense at all.
I feel like all the abilities that got removed was abilities that wasn´t in the way of our rotation and kept the annyoing abilitites that feel bad to press and doesn´t really fit in for a smooth rotation
deep wounds is more iconic than rend
so it staying doesnt bother me
also it being baked into execute isnt really that insane to me, it makes sense almost thematically, execute kinda implys you are going for a hard hitting finishing move so it applying a dot called "deep wounds" makes sense to me
How did you come to this opinion?
if only rend had 10% crit tied to it
where as deep wounds has been part of a mastery bonus for years now, deep wounds has also done way more damage in general.
wait what have they added back
I'll quit if its ravager
bye bye its ravager and avatar
hey guys we blizzard devs think arms main issue is arms having to stack and align a lot of modifiers so we are removing these things ravager and ava and changing collateral.
then proceeds to 180 and add them back and now where back at the startline with a couple positive changes but ultimately still the same bloat as TWW
fudge
they will postpone rework to 12.0.5 hahaha
13.0
Delete ravager for arms
I never liked bladestorm as a skill gor single target dps
Hi, is the whole thing of arms warrior that you can do a lot of aoe or a lot of ST but no middle ground?
So I'm new to arms and looking at the prio for colossus st and it says to use demolish with warbreaker. If I'm using warbreaker on cd and demolish comes up right as the debuff ends am I just holding demolish till the next warbreaker?
no just send at that point
Okay gotcha. Thanks!
I feel like my ST damage is a bit low
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wsVQjT8etXYbYhiH3wxiMk
Also if anyone can take a look at these logs of Dawnbreaker 13 and Gambit 10 and if I am doing something wrong
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vyHdFmz6Pfa7cDGt
priory and eco dome are from when I was trying fury so don't mind those
youll want deeper wounds to be around 70-80%. My St dps caps out around 4.3mil at 728, so this number is about right. Colosus just kinda suck at ST and u have to spin all the plates right to do normal AOE, which is just kinda been the state of things. Side note, I recomend swapping to artieral bleed and dropping sks for another point in bloodborne. One against many does nothing for st dmg, and sks eats into mortal strike real estate
I never pull my sim number either, usually missing 100-250k even on a dummy
https://tw.warcraftlogs.com/reports/V2gMnLNxCk1baDq9?fight=50&type=damage-done
yo anyone got tips on boosting my single target dps? on floodgate last boss st i barely scraped by against a total noob surv hunter and enh sham, even with a god-tier opener proc lmao
ran sims and even after straight-up dumping all my aoe talents for pure st, i still can't crack over 4.5m dps
Wtf this sim is so low
Oh wait. Aoe talents
Go fury🤣
I have,but BTM need to play arms 😩
18+ floodsgate already my arms absolute limit bro
going any higher the single-target dmg req is straight up insane 😂
I mean check top warriors comp
yo guys, how come fatality is not taken on pure single target fights?
i just tried it on loom instead of 1 point indeft experience and it did 2% of my dam
is that not good return on one point?
top warriors comp is fury warrior

did you check his wcl?
Just fast checked comps + keys done
He deals 1/3 less damage than his teammates
Bro, they're a full 21 but can only clear 19
@slow saddle fatality simmed 50k less,, but in practice did more
Because btm y
nah noxiv just dodged demolish
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xcaUFTDvucU7Coe6uHjFoi yeah i think u can get much more
think i have near perfect gear and that's my sims
so i have a small question regarding arms aoe that confuses me from time to time. in M+, big pulls, do i send cleave -> sweeping strikes -> overpower x2 -> mortal strike -> cleave -> overpower etc? or do i spend my 2x overpower on cleave? do i cleave at all in my sweeping strikes?
im mostly asking because i feel that at some points i run out of buttons to press consistently in aoe and am stuck waiting on sweeping to come back, cleave cd or demolisher cd
i am spending mortal strikes to reduce demolisher cd
Cleave > MS(sweep) > OP > MS
Iirc
aha okay
so i avoid cleave during sweep
i obv build up to a big cleave during sweeping
Well no, the above is the priority
ah
You don’t stack op buffs and worry about spending them
Op is a tool for resetting your heavy hitters
So
Cleave, if you can’t
MS if Sweep is active, if you can’t
OP to fish for reset, if you can’t
Is MS available? Yes: MS / no: filler button
Okay cool
And then obv spend demolish asap
Unless pack almost dead ofc
Ill give it a shot, just got my 4 set and arms is just a feel-good spec. Everything sounds good
I don’t know off the top of my head but I believe you want to align demolish with CS within a certain timeframe
@minor gust sir have you been cooking arms? (I haven’t really at all), maybe you could be better help
What is cs again?
Is this about Colo M+?
It is
Been playing fury slayer, but arms has a very satisfying gameplay loop imo in terms of abilities and sounds so wanted to give it a shot
arms on dimensius
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069 you can check out any of the guides in here for priority questions. But your question on when to send demo in AOE it should always be aligned with warbreaker. In ST you can send demolish without warbreaker if the CD is longer than 10 sec (generally)
@cobalt lodge
Ahh that’s it 10 seconds for ST only, thanks for that info I was out of the loop
In aoe as well you want 10 stacks of CM before you send your demolish tho and this can be achieved by doing the opener correctly which should be in the guides if not I can type it out for you
It's not really a hard rule or anything but I like 10 sec or more as an easy rule for whether or not you send demo naked or not
real
Arms m+ requires a lot of hours of play to kinda get a good grasp on how you should use your cds
So for new ppl just use the 10 sec rule
right okay
okay i like it
i was mostly just confused and messing up on my sweeping windows
by sending or holding cleaves inside that window
thanks for the help so far fellas!
Yeah do not hold cleave during multi ever
on more question sorry, what is 10 stacks of cm?
Well unless > 3T you’d prio MS first
oh colossal might
When you are talented into fervor of battle cleave will give you collateral stacks in your Sweeping window
Colossal might in your Colossus hero talent that buffs demo dmg
Np feel free to ask questions in here if you got em and none of the guides can answer it
alright we did pretty well, low key ofc but felt nice. i feel like i understand the spec a lot better now thanks
i am also still rocking a shitty weapon
but yeah i was holding cleaves way too much
was constantly trying to have 2 op stacks -> cleave, or hold cleave during sweeping etc
just a newb
Yup noob mistake but an easy fix
you progging?
yeah
I've been told as soon as dimmy goes down I can go arms even for reclears
no more fury
xd yeah def an only play arms on reclear angle
being told what spec to play is wild
Did you just come from the past? This comment is like 2 years late.
thats what I said
is this still accurate

hello lads
is it worth using the GCD to overpower into cleave on AOE?
or just send cleave on CD
i feel like im being baited by shiny spells
Cleave on cd op to fill
Im also in the small camp i want rav for slayer
Will never happen
Mainly coz if unhinged worked
Its a real burst😅
U can pump those fat ms's out
Just using execute
And ops
I dont wanna play arms warrior theres just too many skills to keep track of and press
Gotta keep track of bleeds and skills all while doing mechanics no thanks.
That’s what hekili is for
That’s cursed

Real
when ur MS is shiny, does it reduce the cd on demolish?
nop thats only when you have the amout of Colossus Might stack that you reduce Demolish CD
when its glowing it should be the Battlelord proc
so
in AOE
if i hav 10 stacks
i should Cleave on CD, then MS instead of overpower for cdr?
Overpower with Dreadnaught will give you a nice dmg boost
but yeah MS after Cleave is the way
So a Slayers arms question, does dreadnaught interact with overpowers chance to proc Reap at 2% for every stack the target has?
I want to play slayer but I feel like im missing something.
I pretty sure noxiv used slayer and did a 20 for BTM aswell
I saw he ranked for BTM, I know he plays fury but I saw he played slayer arms for BTM. That sucks though, dreadnaught should affect the proc chance.
I guess only slayer fury gets to eat good
This was his 20 streets loadout.
Based af build guess he's bored and playing around.
Prob just messing around but idk why, and yeah DN does nothing for tier is what it is. If it did Slayer arms might have been pretty good but not this expansion better luck next
Yeah probs
Im gonna send that build in a 17 streets tonight and see how i fare
6m overall and ill be satisfied
It's just the no rend build that was around from the start. It's not gonna be better than fury but will be nice to do for fun.
Also if you change specs before leaving a dungeon doesn't it misrepresent what build you used to clear? Could just be shenanigans
He said it was for break the meta so he def ran it as arms
Team needed more st?
It's break the meta fury is banned
Y so he played slayer arms
True
just got back to my warrior on this season
what item should i buy first with curios?
the feet?
Will you be able to kill soul hunters on mythic
i think not
Then not worth it's very easy to get the boots on heroic
There's a list in here if u don't know what's good
thank u very much
Anyone know if it's possible through like an addon or something to change Execute's sound effect to the old Condemn sound effect?
only by meddling with the game files wich isnt ToS
Massacre talent 
It doesn't change it anymore
if ur into transmogs (arms) the hidden artifact in legion remix is up (it takes 2minutes to do) https://www.wowhead.com/quest=43643/secrets-of-the-axes#comments
in what way was this funny
does it matter? racist jokes are just not funny anywhere
answer my question and if its not just as stupid of ur previous remark then i will answer it
ok so because your racist and i dont like ur stupid racist joke i have trauma and im salty?
not only ur racist ur just throwing marks out saying my uncle was a pedo/ incest
i can tell your credit score is very low
you 100% need someone to co sign for living in that apartment of yours
why are you getting salty over the truth?
get some therapy and hopefully you can work on ur self and then get some education and then get a better job than working a 7.25$/hr job
do feel like u make ur mom just say "hes a good child" if u do ... fix it
you sound like ur family is in the show "monster in the shadows"
thanks all i did was went to highschool... ask ur mom to help u finish and then u can help ur whole family get a better credit score
no not only i called u poor i called u stupid as well and then called ur family a another thing
look it up 🙂
if salty is asking a racist why hes racist then i guess you can call me the ocean
not american but sure
err next
anything else u wanna throw out?
took u a long time to throw that out.. i can tell you think REAL hard.. i dont want you to break ur last brain cell so imma just end this lol
Honestly sounds like that isn’t your discord account and you’re trying to get it banned from this discord
Or you’re just really weird
What the fuck happened here
I have that question aswell:/
Holy batman unhinged
His disc got hacked ? 
holy batman wtf did i miss LMAO
kratoss had an episode it looks like 
When u c a key and it says "note" does it just mean they expect payment ?:D
yeah
Holy wall of text
Guys better yourself. Hitting the gym and gaining insane gains gives rank ones in wow
(Me a potato never rank 1)
Dude it was the same shit like 5 weeks into the patch
Like bruh I ain’t paying you gold to try and time it
It’s like pay gold to participate
I don’t mind selling
Or boosting
I mind that it’s ruined in game chatting tho
Convinced 99% of WTS posters never actually boost anyone and do it just to be cool
Dude people in 3rd world countries are making a whole ass enterprise off boosting
It’s like twitter
They bot gold and RMT it as their income
Ya say they don't make good income, yet for some even the cheap boosts in raw gold at going rates to RMT, is a medium to high salary for their area.
There is a reason a ton of boosters come from the same regions 
Wonder who buys gold and not a wow token tho. If ya gonna waste money, why fret about the difference
A token will last ya ages
because rmt gold is way cheaper, simple as that
Fair enough, I just can't relate. Scandi PoV
i would pose the question the other way tbh, if someone needed to buy gold why would they buy a wow token and not rmt
safety i guess
RMT gold is like 20%-ish cheaper or so
ngl i thought it would be more than that
Yeah I think it’s primarily the safety factor
Save yourself a pack of noodles in value right there
If you only buy it once in a while it doesnt matter
Why would I want to risk my 18 year old account with thousands of hours of my time/life invested
For example
Can't be often, no? How much gold would ya need over what 1 token gives
Guess week 1 crafts and stuff, could push it
2 wow tokens is about 500k right now? I haven’t looked in a while tbh
350k for 1, no?
ii think it shows on wowhead
Should be around 350k atm
Ahh so even more but still
That’s about 42$ US
420k gold ez
420k for 20 dollarinos, is pretty cheap 
Price of a big pizza at a lower end place
Yeah and for 20 bucks I can get 570k from RMT instead
So would it be worth it to spend roughly 30$ instead for the same amount of gold if the reduction is roughly accurate
That’s a absolute no for me personally
depends how risk averse you are i guess
Theres close to no risk with RMT lol
In general I think it’s true that the punishments are much harsher for the seller side of the deal but still
yep i know a few people who buy a couple mil every season and none of them have been banned
Yeah its whatever
Guess week 1 BoE is a must for some
The way they do it is just making 10 acc and then if one gets banned gg go next
They can make more money playing wow selling gold then an actual job
Cuz $ and € rule
Knew a manager guy from on of the boosting communities
The guy had 30+acc
It happens
Bunch of top end gms got 2 weeks for trading boosting gold
If I had to guess the guy who bought the boost had bought gold
Also happened with liquid giving out gold from splits, think the guy who does it had 3 accounts banned
lol there was a racist in the chat and i guess he was removed andmesg as well .. they deleted his not mine
I actually saw the whole thing, I didn't think he was being racist. But he did make a pretty crass joke that involved race, yes.
so glad there’s no recordings of me in xbox live vc back in the day on halo2/3 cod mw/mw2
We had a lot of gamer words for sure.
Sticks and stones might break my bones, but your words will never hurt me 
I look back on that shit with a lot of regret and I’m super thankful I didn’t grow up where everything was recorded. Kids really aren’t allowed to do some stupid shit and then it be forgotten about. Most of the time young peoples most embarrassing moment is recorded forever for everyone to see now lol
I can assure you the kids are still slinging slurs left and right. No one cares especially these days
It's just words who really cares
I do
but kids can’t even really read anymore so whatever
States turning to Phonics to teach kids English 😂
thats the dumb thing. People still do it, but apparently its socially unacceptable. So they just do it privately
It's ok for better and for worse it's coming back
Is it? Blizzard make you click agree to that social contract bullshit
Well in wow you will really only see that shit in classic wow and mostly through voice/discord. But you will see and hear it a lot in the more mainstream games like any shooter game and especially arc raiders right now with proximity voice lmao
hahah yeah i dont have arc, but ive watched friends play it, and russians especially are hilarious as they dont give a fuck
Oh man EU arc with Russians has to be really funny
If you don't think it's socially unacceptable you are certified bitch made
Don't be a whiny bitch.
wait im lost u think its okay to say racist jokes just because its "jokes"??
sorry to break the news but your chemical make up is 97.8% bitch
Ding ding, the bitch bus is here. One seat left for @shadow ibex .
I was playing warrior again.....why the hell does bladestorm and slayer feel so good.
The theme is ok. The numbers not so much
No you go away
Mb bro I love the spec too, keep slaying king

midnight it feels GREAT
5 or 6 seconds standing still spinning
ive legit had times where i had to check server ping to c if i was lagging out 😄
Is this correct? Last arms change was in fu***g 20/08?
Can't wait for Midnight to release
Isnt that true for almost every spec tho?
There were barely any balance changes all season
This probably around when most specs got their last buff
Arms needed more than this though
Thanks for your answer
I doubt any spec will see changes for another 3 months unless this .7 patch bricks some specs which it shouldn't
I was kinda expecting some tuning because of this new patch
This patch wont really do anything
poe for 3 months is crazy
That game is lowkey addicting
I have 200 hours this league and never played the game before
yes i have like 10k at this point
but it's like a 3-8 week full addiction each league
then im done til next league
good league for a new player to get into imo, glad you liked it
I made a SSF character
My only problem with the campaign is that I do almost every mechanic I see so it takes me way longer to do it than it should
Then it feels like a drag until maps
yeah
i think early on (you havent done the campaign 50 million times yet) it's a big pain point
doing all the mechanics on your first playthrough is good though
learn what does what, and maybe what you like doing for later
My first league and I have a character than can pretty much kill every Uber boss I feel pretty proud
in ssf that's sick
i only play ssf when it's an event like gauntlet
oh oh, you started a new ssf char
i see
still sick for your first league
im just gagging for a new league all the time
i love league start so much
Seems that way yeah
Real
my ironman has only done farming contracts for the past 3 months osrs motivation is low
I'm still main Andy as never dis endgame
Farmed out peril moons last 3 days nonstop. Got the collection log in like 220 full clears
i was always on a main, then quit for like 4 years and came back and started an ironman earlier this year
main hasnt been touched, it was really fun at the start ngl (and it will be when i get motivated again and go back to it)
im close to barrows/moons grinds
which i will really enjoy im sure
Doing sailing now. Getting it set up for semi afk work salvage
I cant decide if i want to be a paladin a death knight or a warrior everyone is too cool
But if i pick warrior
Im gonna be a slayer
Y so go dk
Warriors have coolest players
Nah RIP Last Epoch.
Yeah I just read that latest announcement lmao
Yeah it's cooked
Already showing they have a new publisher
It really sucks because Last Epoch is a good game
Theres a chance the new class(es) will be sick but ehhh
I've put probably lil over 1000 hours into it
But looks like they got bought out by a scummy company who's gonna force them to milk their players till the game dies
Surely the dlc will not be review bombed

What I dont understand is that they did that because they needed money
But at the same time they did as little as possible for visual mtx
To generate money
It doesn't matter new classes being payed is one of the worst things an arpg could do. Everyone knows the new class is gonna be broken on release because the devs have to make it broken since it's being sold. Just puts a bad taste on the game. Especially since the beginning they said they wouldn't do shit like this
New poe 2 patch should be soon at least I'm hyped for that since the druid class is coming out
Ive barely played poe 2 so far
Everytime there was a new season I had other stuff to do
Might play the upcoming one a bit though
It's good especially after the last patch
Some say it had a rocky start but the last patch really made it much more enjoyable
U know what PoE stands for?
i returned ot wow this expansion thinking balance in this game is good nowadays after all this years. and man i spent the entire expansion praying they will buff arms warrior for me to enjoy the game because arms warrior is the only lens of which i care to play this game competitively and now we are about to get into midnights with the arms warrior population in mythic raiding at 1k vs the fury warrior 22k because of how trash arms warrior is balanced 🤣
you guys going for midnight ?
I mean, the balance is somewhat good
Was way better last season though
Comparing the number of parses does not really tell much because Fury will always be the more popular spec
that does not change that the imbalance does maginfy the issue a lot
Its S3, what are you expecting
and it's been consistant for arms to be worse except for 1 single week where arms got nerfed instantly
the entire expansion it's been consistant
Arms was on par with Fury in all of S2
It was slightly better on some encounters yeah but not enough to really justify swapping if you werent going for insane wr
tbh
yea it got worse by teh end, but we did sustain worst 5 to 8 specs throughout the expansion for het most part is what i mean
i've always said i don't mind ot be 5% weaker, but not 30% xd
Just S3 is really unfortunate, but thats how S3 usually goes
Not a lot of balance changes because of next expac
And a lot of people who played S1 + S2 couldnt be arsed to play S3 because of Jugg anyway 
season 2 was miserable too tbh
In S2 you could cheese jugg a lot
but i always maintain the same question, i understand the idea of pushing specs overeach other every season
i just don't understand why does the difference have to be from 10%-30% power between top specs and bottom specs
It do be like that sometimes
they can 100% make it a 5% to 10% difference between to pand bottom specs but they keep the philosophy of completely activating certain sepcs every season
yea i am fairly certain Ion Hazzikostas did say that they kinda intentionally flip specs like that , i just wish they would just stop it from being too extreme because i lose my competitive desire when it happens
i hate fury after all
so don't wanna swap
Same here, thats why I rerolled to another class this season
i tried 4 other classes / specs
not fun to me :p
it's arms warrior or i can just Poe XD
i just hope demo arms warrior would be more viable in midnight so i can enjoy the style i am good at in wow
more tactical than spamming buttons
in fact, the biggest weakness of colossus warrior is how they have no demolish stacks on an encounter start and that's the single reason they fail in raiding content "which i understand is not the role they are meant ot play"
but kinda funny for me how a single problem like not having stacks on demo at fights start ruins the entire spec
Arms just isn't good period this season
Doesn't matter if we had 10 stacks or not its awful
there’s no more thought to arms than fury or any other spec
arms is strict prio
for jugg arms, yes, not for colossus.
colossus hae much more tactical gameplay to it than fury or jugg arms, it's just sucks for bossing is the problem.
jugg arms imo is bad deisgn to beign with
arms should never be about the fast paced playstyle imo
I see what you mean but to some it just feels like bloat, sks for sure made us feel like being a piano man this season and it’s not even good.
Idk about “tactical” in arms. To me that’s like you’re making decisions between what to press, and, there’s never a question other than “am I going to die if I stand still using demo here”
And even then you can jump with demo now
It’s just a check list of buttons
nah , the tactical part about colossus is specifically that you can't always use your cds when they are ready depends on boss fight because it can be a much higher dps loss or increase to delay them sometimes
one example woould be if you are colossus and you know you will have 2 cd cycles, and you know you will ave 30-40 seconds extra after the second cd cycle, then you are not supposed to pop all cds on start and you gotta wait colossus stacks.
but if you know you have exactly 3 cds cycleds then you have to pop all cds on start
there are multiple layers to it and it is on boss to boss basis
but yes, jugg arms warror is completely unrelated ot any of t his
Idk
That’s just deciding to hold CDs lol. Doesn’t make arms tactical.
Like Frost AoE is tactical
Ours (or even st), is not
it is boss to boss basis so i can't just explain it all in 2 seconds but no, that's not just deciding to hold cds :p
this precisly happens because of what demolish stacks give you and how hard or easy is to t o get it back
but all that does not matter, the point is some ppl want ot think a little, not push the shiny button
and they turned fury and jugg arms into pushing that shiny button
enhance shaman, feral druid to some extent too
now we can put a WC3 wolf howl on it
i actually want ot lose them addons
i just hope they will not ditch spec balance as much
how are these related ?
they aren’t
yes they aren't
its just that balance is the last thing to be worried about at least in raid
Still don’t understand why we didn’t get a season 4
cause fated seasons sucks
Thought they would have had something cooked up knowing how barren and weird season 4 DF was
End of this season is gonna be bizarre
in their heads its probably housing
They should be emberassed by the lack of tuning
Would be less weird and less dead if they did a season 4 with a new dungeon pool and mix raid thing
I get it
tier is over who cares at this point
been playing arms on dimmi and salad king for weeks now
Thats not a statement against balancing your mmo
Yeah idk I don’t understand raging about tuning knowing damn well that ship came and went a month ago
They made the decision to leave it as is and focus on beta, I get it
I imagine the team is the same?
actually they better give us a tuning pass for brawlers guild
You think its a huge effort to apply an aura buff?
lmao
Thats what they did week 1. I can't imagine it took 450 man hours
Just tune your game is what I said actually
game is pretty balanced idk man
just caused arms is at the bottom doesnt mean its unbalanced
Yea just flip flopping which warrior spec is playable for prog
Amazing balanced expac
so next time just have fury be better the whole tier ?
The same was true for fury last tier. I wouldn't defend that either
Fury was down bad in undermine
thats top 100 problems
But if you needed adds to die on the third boss I guess
was actually wild seeing fury and arms chat dead
i mean we can all see a lot of neglect happening on live the entire raid tier so you could argue that they have probably re-allocated resources from live to midnight, in other wrods they don't care about adding anything anymore to this expansion.
agree, i rather beat a deadhorse "season 3" with better balance than get a season 4 where i am not sure if i wanna play or not
i mean yes, if your class is completely dead and you are not even wanted anywhere your game is techincally over. so for someone in that situation a 10% buff is techincally "game fixed"
is what it is your spec either wins or loses during a patch. Been like this since the begining
or...You could reroll
Nice take
I mean my guy
Saying "game is over because my class is bad" is really
REALLY overdramatic
Yes
You're missing my point
Yeah, having a downblad class sucks, but that dosen't mean the game is "over"
Idk, I just think it's ridiciously hyerbole
I mean maybe you think that way
My guy I played Shadowlands S1 fury when it was objectively the worst spec in the game
I know
You either find a way to deal with it, play another class, or stop playing wow.
''or stop playing wow.'' - atp my goal was to return to the game and play some arms
Yes but you still have two other options before that
I mean at this point most are just gonna chill until midnight
, already overachieved this season
Wasnt as bad in m+
Was raid horrid🤣
is it overdramatic ? ;p maybe it would be if you don't end up getting rejected by groups all day even when you have MUCH higher progress than them "just because" your spec sucks :p
you can't play this game alone :p
nice gz
Thats how meta gaming works
So unless your spec is meta you will always get declined often
And even if your spec is meta it will happen because many others will play the same spec
false, can't blame everything on the meta.
Yes you can because thats how it works
being disgustingly underperforming is not a meta issue , it is a simple balance issue.
yes meta is formed in part because of how balance is, but meta also does not kick something completely out if it's still useful
Get a group and start playing
Pugging has always been like this
And it will never change
it has nothing to do with pugging
it has to do with this
a class that is 20% or more weaker than another should not exist
No it does not have anything to do with that
i don't even get how people thin kit is defensable that some specs are 20% weaker tha nothers
so yes it does
like how can you even argue against it lol there is no way
20% is not variables
Im talking to a wall here gg
you are a wall if you think 20% difference between 2 classes is a simple "variable"
variable is 1%
2%
20% means they just don't give a fk
You've heard it a thousand times
List your own groups
yes, that's the solution for imbalance and neglect in balance "make your own group"
and i am saying ppl who keep pushing the arguments of "make do" are not helping
it does not help fix the game
But if you think the game is unplayable with an underperforming spec and I offer you ways to play the game with an underperforming spec then idk what else to say
You cant fix the game
You have to fix the community
Its a community issue, not a balance issue
Its actually both tbh
not with that mentality you can't lol
For dps warrior to be taken in non-phys comps it needs to be completely overtuned rather than being tuned normally
@dim basalt there are systems in those games for feedback, that's how a community fixes game. and with that mentality you just worked hte opposite way.
Because prot exists
Are you a developer at blizzard entertainment?
Prot will always be preffered over dps when possible, it doesnt matter what you do
No? Then you quite literally cant. Blizz is done with tww. Balance is where it is
you realize we are in a situation where the problem is that the class is Disgustingly undertuned ? so making an argument of it being overtuned makes it even worse
It sucks ass and blizz fucked it up big time. But whats done is done
and do you think this problem is a TWW problem ?
No
But im saying, at this point in the season, espically with an end of xpack season, shits not getting fixed. It never was going to get fixed
well then my argument is simple, use your feedback button as a community to ask for change nad change will happen instead of being negative
that's what a community should be about, feedback.
....my brother in christ
You just called the game unplayable
But...im being negative for being realistic?
Okay
i never said you
i said there are certain people promoting the community to be rather negative than positive about change
which is not helpful
if the class sucks, use feedback. right now TWW does not matter but it will matter in midnight.
And our feedback is being directed to midnight
either way, i'd rather be positive and use the feedback system and encourage the community to do so 🙂
hahah it’s that time of the league, my friend just liquidated everything into 2.5 mirrors worth of those and turned it into 20 mirrors
meanwhile I bought like 30 apothecaries and deleted them instantly
20 mirrors? lmao
i crafted 4 gg axes and can't sell any of them,😰 😭
ppl are excited for poe2 i guess
it’s just had its time now, player retention is rly bad this league
yea saw that , kinda sucks. but i also think ppl are more poor than other leauges? or am i imagining things
Lots of people quitting early to play other games like arc raiders
becuse i check poe ninja nad it's like no one is using a gg axe even at this point where usually most ppl do
yeah I think so a bit, but it’s also that rich people moved on to stacker builds
yea i didn't like mapping so went for sanctum
now i am just running sanctum like a mindless freak lol
yeah sanctum does that to you
i like running strongboxes
i've ran sancutm thousends of times since it came out never dropped a mirror
im too adhd to do something for more than a hour straight though, so i dont make nearly as much money as i should be
and i actually never dropped the original scripture before yesterday and then i dropped 2 in 24 hours
so i am still hyped now
sanctum mirror is my final goal in sanctum now 😅
i played the discharge weapon swap build in sanctum years ago and nothing can compare anymore so i dont wanna play sanctum ever again
Poe 
Is that Spreadie Gibbs?
shootin’ babies on maybelline
How are we supposed to rage bait people over a discord profile pic if it's not rainbow anymore

Xan will prolly put it back just for that reason 😂
i dont have the server pfps saved so i cant
Gg
use my pfp, it angers people. They muted me in the God of War server until I changed it. Sadly wasnt official else id have complained about them being misogynist, fattist, and ugliest
idk why ppl have a problem with Brittney spears as your pfp
Smh what if that was actually pitt
wdym u cheeky git
That discord hating on your pfp when that could actually be you smh
That is him you ist!
Exactly my point! Hate crimes smh ban that discord
Yeah I hate crimes too
I ate crimes
I ate rimes
I ate imes
ate mes
Thankfully I'm not from the UK or I might get arrested for that joke
can't wait to gear for arms and then 1 day before raid release we get fury execute and rampage buffed by 50% each
kappa
Yuno Ball
Can’t wait to say “ope I geared arms guess I’m committed” 
“You are choosing to gear arms, you may not change to another option for some time, are you sure?”
real
I think its a little odd that they make you take die by the sword in order to have bladestorm or ravager. It really isnt necessary to punish the player like that.
It's not the only class thats like that almost every spec in all heavy is like that
But i dont understand the reasoning behind it, just doesnt make sense.
Surely fury is going to become a crit spec

Okay
Have you been on gw since the relaunch? Insane amount of players when I checked yesterday
That gaerea record is so good!
Arms buffs dropped
Very noice
All ST abilities trigger heroic strike now not just OP
Thats awesome
So I wonder if the almost constant uptime on sweeping means you have a super high chance of proccing Heroic strike now since all the ST abilities will be hitting twice.
Interested to see how this works
Sorry wrong thread technically 😅
Think it's per press not hits too
That would make sense
Wasn't there an option to fire a skill when a button is pressed DOWN instead of released?
I thought you were talking about 11.2.7, scared me for a sec
Yeah wrong thread sorry
okay so somehow I am able to apply deep wounds aoe without cleave to 3+ targets
and it's messing with my head
but somehow im able to apply deep wounds without using cleave to other targets
oh it's bladestorm it applies it
that's actually quite interesting i didnt know bladestorm applies it now
is it even worth it to use slam in our rotation if we take cleave?
In ST you use slam
you have to use slam
yeah i guess for single target
yeah yep
i wish slam was part of this weakaura thing blizzard made
technically i dont need to know if it's up but still it's handy to have
The cd manager? Yeah it’s still wonky on what’s included and what isn’t
Actually looking hilarious on prot warrior if you keep everything on
I have 9 little squares to look at at this point
Do you use cleave in single target or do you slam instead? I'm definitely struggling to pick which ability to hit at times and I feel like I'm playing wackamole
What about in keys on bosses?
use slam in single target
There's no SD in the M+ builds usually so you just fill a lot more with slam?
Unless like. You can’t reach something 
Also, how many mobs do you need before cleave is ok to use?
For colossus?
At 2 target cleave replaces slam in the prio
And at 3 target you are doing Cleave > MS > OP
Slam when there’s nothing else to press, then when boss is below 35% you replace slam with execute (colossus)
Slam/execute just filler

I forget people are playing slayer in m+ and need to be careful lol
Idk what build ppl are asking about anymore when it comes to cleave now lol
Ok, thanks for the info. I'll give that a shot
I haven’t done a key in like two weeks
I haven't logged onto retail since we killed Dimmy
If you got sweeping strikes rolling, Im assuming its different ye, or does FoB sweeping slam put enough work in?
Sweeping strikes won't change your prio with this version of arms
Word thanks brother
Alright I'll admit for the longest time I ran without cleave. But with cleave and slayer combined life is so god damn cool
as an earthern, do you ever use your azerite charge ability?
Does anybody know by chance off the top of their heads all the spell reflect/deflect abilities on Nexus?
I know vanquish is one
probably mega irrelevant at this point, but I'm really enjoying one against many ngl
I always run bleed
One against was good in S1 and S2 but since our set in S3 makes bleed super powerful
, no target cap as well on bleeds
Y i tried to run one against many in the "low target dungeons) but just lost st as well
the claw and the dot
Ty!
you basically never press it for the soaks so you have it up for claw or dot
dot you can deflect the last tick of it (big dam)
the claw hit you also completly deflect
also very nice for start of p3
you can just stand whereever and reflect makes you live 10 claw hits
if they all hit at the same time
Awesome I appreciate the information
Yo guys, i've stopped playing since DF, how do we feel about Midnight Arms ? Couldn't check Crit streams recently
Does it look interesting or can I skip midnight too while i'm at it
Looks ok
we're gonna ball
Hopefully
Is there much difference between Ravager and Bladestorm? If I prefer BS, which 2 of the 3 capstones should I use? Unhinged, Merciless Bonegrinder or Dance of Death?
if you really like bladestorm your better off playing slayer than colossus
You cant say bladestooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorm
lol
I thought capitalizing on mastery was a good idea
It was a bad idea
the thought was use bleeds to lead the damage; that;s a big nope
i think more crit is def needed, then a balance between haste and mastery
so crit>(haste=mastery)
or just go with crit=haste > mastery would be better for rage generation
Bigger damage modifiers in your talents scale off crit. Haste is required to be able to reduce cds and have a rage economy.
Which leaves about 10k for mastery and everything left over is likely to be vers
Haste does not really affect rage economy
And where are you pulling these numbers from
Last I looked at most top logs across the dungeons carried about 10k mastery.
ok
Lots of people follow the robot and thats it
What stat happens to be better is different for every single character
sounds good
I thought it has to deal with your auto attack being faster meaning you get more rage
Rage over time
But your gcd also gets shorter
Haste is pretty much neutral for every spec with a similar resource
crit is for more rage. haste shortens ur aa swing but it also shortens ur gcd
i didnt follow midnight very closely but iirc crit aa is gonna give us more rage than currently
It's not Crit specifically but autos will generate 20% more rage in midnight. But yeah Crit = more rage and haste is neutral for rage.
oh so its all autos
Yee apparently we had a 20% reduction on rage from autos and they removed that in midnight
We really gonna love wind fury this expansion btw
Arch was hoping for another pass on rage from the devs, hopefully not reliant on WF
is*?
Most likely because Blizz has no idea what to do with rage for arms. So they will always lean towards having too much rage. So if at any point we feel starved in most of our builds they will adjust it.
Unless your Colossus arms in TWW trying to press execute without CT
Then fuck you
But yeah xinsei haste does not give you more rage it's Crit you want for rage. Common misconception
Atm with full execute talents u starve a lot
I keep pressing my keybind for slam thinking its cleave and then get mad because i keep hitting only 1 target
In middy
But if thats what someone wants who could stop them
Wft does
They should just get rid of rage
Rage is a core part of warrior it won't go away. But if the devs wanted to put some actual creativity into the spec they can easily redesign rage to be something more unique and interesting for arms warrior. Instead of this fury lite version.
Uhm
I would prune arms back to 4 buttons like it was in legion before that
lol
They can a look always borrow rage from GW2 - where different thresholds of rage modify behaviour of core abilities. E.g.
Heroic strike with
- … < 30 = extra bleed
- … > 30 and < 60 = interrupt
- … > 60 = mini bloodlust
Guild wars 2 rage...ehhh everyone is always dodging arc divider
I still use that shit tho
I dont play gw2 anymore because i got banned for selling gold lol
After playing all 12 classes in remix I can say - Warrior is in very good spot right now, relatively to other classes and specs.
Never thought id see someone who hates avatar
Honestly it should just be a passive not a skill
Plenty of stuff they can come up with. My personal idea is I would love for our rage to be same as the devourer/ Shadow priest legion resource mechanic. You build up your rage bar to full and you press a cool down to activate super Saiyan mode for a short time. And you can't extend it like devour and Shadow priest
Bit bland mate
"tactically" using your rage fits the arms theme
Or maybe leaving avatar as a skill is better because you get to choose when to use it
Like you can use a pot and then pop it along with the pot

It's better than what rage is now and that's all that matters
Rage could also be similar to SV tips imo
can just ping valkyr role
will do in future
Is there a site or table that shows a legend for the icons next to your avatar that trigger off abilities. Refering to the half moons on each side and sometimes a symbol over your head. WOuld love to see what they notify you about for each class and all specs!
Starting with Warrior 🙂
are you talking about the in-game spell alerts? I'm not sure if there's a consolidated list anywhere, but I generally recommend turning them off and just paying attention to your bars instead
I believe Arms shows Tactician procs (resetting Overpower) and maybe Sudden Death? It's not a particularly effective way of knowing what button to press next though
only tactician. i dont recall seeing a visual cue indicating a sd proc
lol i just did more dps than a geared hunter and dk that were in full purple/blues...i still have greens
most damage overall too 
the hunter somehow managedto do less damage than the tank
Yeah, SD was there way back in the day (pre-tactician even), but they may have removed it
I've had that stuff turned off since about the day after they added it to the game lol
I still fucking hated gw2 warrior
gw1 warrior was good
but gw2 stinked
always loved how hundred blades worked in gw1 
Is havoc harder then arms
I would say they are about the same
havoc is alot harder currently
Ive never played the first. But berserker in gw2 gave me a god damn anuerism trying to play before I threw my hands up and went to play bladesworn. And bladesworns only appeal is massive damage numbers
give them some water 
shit i am so stupid I thought i couldn't transmog my pants because they were special or something, but it turns out they're leather.
didnt even notice i was wearing agility
You can play plant warrior in gw2
That game took 3000 hours of my life i am done with it
Weirdly specific. I dropped it after Scarlet war in Lions arch.
I became part of a gold mafia and started selling gold on it to get banned on purpose, because i really hated arenanet as a company and wanted a way to never have to come back to it.
i made all the money i spent on the game and never went back 😂
GW1 still plays well. Aged like a fine wine.
Real
The reboot is actually really popular. Was like 14 districts on America alone in pre searing
Been 1 for years
I miss gw1 but there isn't much for me to do now having done most titles besides the afk gold sinks
maybe I should use the juggernaut trait instead of focusing on bleeds
im a slayer
and then my stat focus would be on crit haste only instead of mastery
negative my build is better


I don’t understand this reference.
All armor?
I need to reinstall i miss TA
Wail of doom foul feast necro
This guy was a sunspear
is this like a private server or like a classic wow type thing
I played gw1 when I was like 6 years old but I was very dumb and bad
they basically did a small graphic update and promoted the shit out of it
its brought a ton of people back
Do I have to pay money for it
if you owned the game back then no
Uhh I had a cd rom of one of the expansions but I think I used my sister's account and I'm sure that's lost to the ether at this point
Is there any way to macro slam in as a cast sequence or something without messing with the cooldown reset procs? It feels awkward to hit at times and know when I should hit it compared to all the other buttons since they glow but slam doesnt.
if you want to make something like that may as well just use the blizzard one button 🤷♂️
should only ever have to press slam if you cant press any other the other buttons
More crit, more big numbers my brothers
Sometimes


