arms

[minor gust]

SKS is best option for prio and ST but most don't care to use SKS so they drop it

[slow saddle]

ill try it

[minor gust]

It's like a .3% loss to just take SOA instead

[slow saddle]

also like

can we discuss

the horrid way we spread rend atm 😄

like wth 😄

can they just give us all rend targets now 😛

[minor gust]

ATM we've been spreading it this dumb way since DF

[slow saddle]

i know i know, i took a break

playing fury

coz its just so good boss dmg

but i always miss arms

[minor gust]

That's how it goes that's why I'm glad I enjoy both specs. Get bored of one swap over for bit

Don't really care if ones worse or not

[slow saddle]

yeah

they could buff

COL ST

a bit imho

[minor gust]

Could but they won't TWW over

[slow saddle]

ofc

not

its fine what ever

but like u understand why ppl paly fury

if its only power

[minor gust]

I mean yeah ik why fury is overall better but like I also don't care. Colo fucks enough that the spec is far from bad in M+

[lofty pulsar]

honestly at my shitty aotc level im still top 5-ing raid fights anyhow on arms

[minor gust]

[lofty pulsar]

its when i try to even get into a low mythic guild they're like "not fury? you're trolling" lol

while i parse an average of like 98 in m+, which admittedly doesn't matter, but it isn't a skill issue imo

top arms warrior apparently takes off merciless bonegrinder to take SKS

[jovial hare]

bruh

i mean colo does enough aoe dmg even w/o considering mbg so i guess having some prio/boss dmg makes sense

[lofty pulsar]

that's honestly fair

and the lil burst only happens with ravager which is like

130 or 2 minutes or some

[spiral coral]

Coming back I’ve been playing sks

[lofty pulsar]

and i feel like its never that many cleaves during ravager but im probably playing incorrectly

[jovial hare]

i feel like ms resets during ravager compete for a lot of ur attn

not really always getting a lot of value

[rare helm]

i feel like im doing soemthing wrong. is this breakdown roughly correct for m+?

[wind hatch]

Ideally your rend uptime should be a bit higher but everything else looks ok

[lofty pulsar]

Okay so gigastupid question here, but what’s the best way to kick if I’m bad at the game? Focus target/kick focus?

[nova marsh]

Basically yeah

[slow saddle]

Mouse over?

I usually use my stun, gives.me time to target it😅

Also bad at game

[urban citrus]

Is there no visual indicator for fatality?

I cant see the debuff on the enemy mobs for some reason

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, it's a debuff called Fatal Mark

[urban citrus]

oh you're the warrior guide writer!

on wowhead

i recognize you from there lol

[fresh spire]

[quaint otter]

can do a reversefocus macro like i do

pick a focus at big mob

and tab to casters

[meager gull]

hi stupid question: does the thunderclap talent apply the instant damage of rend too or just the dot?

[safe oracle]

Just the dot

[meager gull]

is it only worth using in like m+ then?

[nova marsh]

Yeah its for aoe

But tbh if youre in keys you can save the keybind by not using rend

The damage difference between the two is tiny

[meager gull]

nice thanks

[halcyon valve]

+1 parse on mythic nexus king

[lofty pulsar]

is storm of swords just objectively bad?

pretty sure its cause we're never rage starved right?

[minor gust]

its a very bad talent no matter the rage situation

[slow saddle]

Storm of swords should give an ECHO effect

of dmg instead

[halcyon valve]

Storm of swords could be something like „cleave/whirlwind increases its damage by 10% for 12 seconds.“ and every stack falls of independently

[slow saddle]

Dear blizzard

plz just give me

rend to all targets now

why do i have to wait, its such a qol i want now

or just let clap clap all idc

i want to clap once all have rend and do aoe

[grave mulch]

is it all targets or just 8 targets?

[slow saddle]

atm its nothing

in Midnight its frontal like cleave

[untold trench]

Rend splash is a frontal cleave in Midnight? Well, that is a neat way to make it wonky for no reason

[dim basalt]

Per tooltip it isnt (yet)

Just says any enemies within 8y

[untold trench]

That be why I was wondering, and taken a bit by suprise

[dim basalt]

Id be surprised if they made it a frontal tbh

Surely they have better things to work on

[chilly hearth]

What do your stats look Like?
M+ and raid
I think its shared but you never know
As a 725+

[quaint otter]

should look good a big numbers

[bright whale]

Is there an Single Button Assist build for arms ?

[minor gust]

Yeah it's called pick whatever you want and press the single Target rotation button

[dim basalt]

Did you go in every class discord to ask that

[bright whale]

No just few (like 2-3)

[fresh spire]

[olive nest]

[void bay]

which ones and what did they say?

[dire hinge]

if you are looking for a more serious answer, bear in mind the SBRA doesn't use some of our major cooldowns for you, so you'll have to cast them yourself, namely Avatar and Sweeping Strikes. If you're truly chasing an SBRA build, where you don't manage anything else, you could drop those talents and move them elsewhere, but it's a tremendous DPS loss to do so, and I genuinely wouldn't recommend it. The SBRA is already a big loss, and you can bind Avatar into the cast if you really wanted 😅

[bright whale]

Could macro with SBA

with avatar and sweeping strikes

[jovial hare]

the real question
is when are emojis from other servers gonna be usable on skyhold

[spiral coral]

never

[boreal quartz]

You can use them it you are yellow

So you have to be nice and helpful

[sacred zodiac]

this is a lie many counterexamples

[boreal quartz]

Bezain is an exception

[void bay]

I never noticed this. We can't react, we can't use emotes from other servers.... we need to rise up!

[boreal quartz]

You couldnt change your nickname until DF

[bright whale]

enjoying arms in remix 🙂

[latent moss]

1984

[olive nest]

1985

[warped ether]

Omg is this the bite of 67?

[spiral coral]

arms is funner than fury

[halcyon valve]

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-theory-stone-cold-stone-cold-steve-austin-stunner-wrestlemania38-gif-25294220

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/conor-gif-19264581

[vast cedar]

Haven't been runnin Netherprism in keys, didn't notice it was a thing until today. I run Idol. Anyone running it think its worth a Dinar?

[void bay]

I dont have it on warrior, but have you ever been beaten in DPS by a BM hunter?

[vast cedar]

Yeah, they'll send 40+ mil on lust packs, i dont ramp that high.

[void bay]

Yeah, that's netherprism + quiver stacked combo

[vast cedar]

All these good arms have it equipped. I dont know why i was even looking at high io gear... and was like damn, they're all running it. Probably a move i guess.

[void bay]

Its very strong if you stack it, at least on hunter. Problem is having short cds you want to use it with, but if you dont let it stack for a pack or 2 it doesnt do much

[vast cedar]

Well, i feel like our biggest opp as a class is the ST fall off, maybe having it stacked up for lust bosses/long bosses it might be really clutch.

and huge pulls obv

[void bay]

If I get lust and have 18 stack prism and 7 stack quiver i can do 12million ST for like 20 secs, depending on black arrow procs

and yeah on big pulls its easy to do 40million

but i dont have it on my warrior so idk how well it scales

[vast cedar]

Think i'll send. It makes sense. Plus the guys ahead of me are using it. Knights dieing faster, shards mobs like those.

[void bay]

Makes sense 🫡

[vast cedar]

🫡

[halcyon valve]

My stats are currently nearly perfectly balanced
35% crit, 35% haste, 32% mastery

[quick badge]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-balanced-gif-3226445978144001245

[rare helm]

so as arms this season. do you only press execute when the WA yells at you?

[spiral coral]

For slayer? Yes.
For Col, no, it replaces slam as a filler.

[rare helm]

ty

[lofty pulsar]

ngl i feel like

mastery is heavily underrated for arms lol damage % seems insane. im sure sims say otherwise but feels good

[sullen moat]

Vers is more neat. i simply love it for arms warrs

[steel furnace]

is this rotation up to date? just curious since fury roar is basically shid in ST

[quaint otter]

Should be fine

Like u anyway press it before bursts and stuff

[steel furnace]

yur aight

we late into expansion time to experiment with the forgotten spec

[slow saddle]

LEL realized im 4th on realm

m+ as arms

go look up, coz im like yeah maybe im close to 1

em no theres some real degens 😛

[spiral coral]

Nothing to experiment. Both prios are set in stone any deviation from it would just be a dps loss. Only decisions you make in the rotation are holding something to align with wb.

[steel furnace]

i challenge the robot to a duel (i have exodia)

[thick kelp]

Robot doesnt charge weave so...

[dim basalt]

What a dumbass

[thick kelp]

I could make it charge wave tho...

[dim basalt]

Does that actually work?

Wouldnt you have to overwrite Charge or so to remove the min distance?

[thick kelp]

I can just tell it to walk out of melee and charge back in if situation is X

like low rage etc

or say the new charge weave talent buff duration is 0

[slow saddle]

FAV tactic

join key as fury

change spec late

😄

WIN

[gaunt owl]

spec fishing

[slow saddle]

ikr

i feel bad

but man i just wanna meme some 17-18s as arms

[gaunt owl]

no need to feel bad

as long as you back it up people will be like w/e

[minor gust]

Doing 17s and 18s this late into the tier when we're max gear ain't really a meme to play arms

Can play any spec at that key level this far in

[slow saddle]

Yeye, but also it is a bit vs being fury

The boss dmg difference is just to big

[minor gust]

Not enough of a difference you can't time a 18 with so who cares just go show the world that demolish fucks

[slow saddle]

😄 true true

i mean it is when u are playing with pugs that are also bad

coz no i cant carry as much

[minor gust]

True but your EU right you. EU pugs 100x better than NA

[dim basalt]

How so

[latent moss]

eu > na anyway

[slow saddle]

well the avg score of EU is higher

so i would say yes

[dim basalt]

Wait the cutoff is 50 points higher in EU wtf

Expected like 10-20

[minor gust]

NA especially this season keys have been dead

I realized this when I was trying to pug 16s on the second week and there was only ever like 2-3 16s in que at a time

Then opened up Biz's stream to see like over 10 on EU

[dim basalt]

Gonna change with console soon /s

[minor gust]

Nah it won't.

[thick kelp]

Console civilians will be stuck leveling up

they wont have the mental capacity to ding max level

[minor gust]

I doubt well get even that many console players to begin with because it's not like wow is coming to console it's windows coming to the new xbox

So that means a console player would have to buy the next xbox

Takes like a year or two after a new console releases for most people to have one xd

[void bay]

its easier to do high M+ in the EU because you get 5 weeks paid vacation plus paid sick days plus a free house and salary if you lose your job or have 5 or more kids 👍

[dim basalt]

6 weeks*

[slow saddle]

Dno where u live but no free hourses here

houses

[void bay]

U need to have more kids

[slow saddle]

kek

[void bay]

Little Don, Tom, Ron, Jon and Deshawn = free house

[still fox]

ye, 17 resi as arms ❤️

[balmy kindle]

Holy based

[slow saddle]

Almost there

Fully sks bleed build

I perform horridly on the cleave 1 and the st is even worsr

[still fox]

yea, SKS bleed build, i find its the best middle ok in ST and on cleave its good

[vale gorge]

Blizzard are really stupid. In midnight Anger Management finally reduce both Avatar and Colossus to synchro the cd. BUT Heroic strike reduce only Colossus cd

[slow saddle]

brother

AM needs to die

[earnest zealot]

What's the idea behind the Sks build? Sks main target on CD and cleave the rest? (main prot, yoink'd a weapon, considering playing arms for fun)

[slow saddle]

The "idea" is keepin up the bleed buffs and send sks on big target y

[misty bridge]

You got it wrong

[slow saddle]

nah

if u get cs Less often it can be more impactfull

and cds dont ever misalign

unless u missplay

[misty bridge]

Wrong

[balmy kindle]

I think sks is nice for rage gen, but I find it quite annoying to use with idol due to the gcds

[sharp wyvern]

I'd love for them to make CS a 2 min CD so we can join the 2min gang

[balmy kindle]

Why not 30s like Ret

[slow saddle]

ah i dont particularly prio it in aoe

like i send if i can

but dont rly bother unless i got shout on mobs as well

cleave just fucks 😄

[balmy kindle]

I have tried it a few times and gotten like 3-5% more boss damage maybe on average, but in aoe it's quite a dead button

[misty bridge]

You just sent it on mobs with the highest HP whenever you have cs up

[jovial hare]

prio dmg

[spiral coral]

sks is weird and awkward and I’m kinda mad I haven’t been able to ever get used to it. Not missing it though. Clunky ass button.

[shadow ibex]

Sks prio is cope

[minor gust]

Just press the button it ain't hard. Or don't talent it

[slow saddle]

Yup

Its good in keys imho

[quick badge]

Is Netherprism worth using over Idol in 17-18 keys, and if so, how are people using it?

[minor gust]

It's not

But feel free to use it if you want to

[quick badge]

ok, thought I was missing something, seems like more hassle than it's worth

[minor gust]

Mainstat kinda a meme for warrior

[halcyon valve]

I saw the chinese arms doing 20+ keys is using it so must be worthwhile

[meager gull]

how do i stop overflowing with rage? this is not enough to stay < 90 for overpower

[minor gust]

rage isnt real

dont worry about it and follow the priority

[gleaming kraken]

whereabouts have y'all be using stone idol in youre openers

[balmy kindle]

You can use it with avatar since it costs a GCD

[slow saddle]

Wth

did something happen to gambit 1st boss

his field on floor

sudddenly one shot me in a 17 ?_?

i did me 20m dmg ?

[urban citrus]

i kinda wish heroic strike just permanently replaced slam

and cost more rage in exchange for more dmg

[minor gust]

Then Heroic strike wouldn't be fun

The proc is what makes it enjoyable

[urban citrus]

slam is just this button that you wish u never had to press

[minor gust]

Heroic strike would be the same then

Why do you want heroic strike to be bad like slam

[urban citrus]

maybe heroic strike procs will fill the "downtime" when MS/OP/execute are on CD

[minor gust]

Besides slams not even bad anymore. It's much better in midnight

[urban citrus]

ah thats cool

i didnt like all of the midnight changes, but arms looks really good actually

surprisingly so

[balmy kindle]

Strange, did you check death recap

[slow saddle]

yes

20m

[urban citrus]

kinda wish they brought back condemn tho as a capstone talent

[slow saddle]

just the shit on the floor

20m ?

since when

[urban citrus]

question, why do people hate avatar?

it seems pretty harmless, other than the fact anger management doesnt reduce its CD like bladestorm

[slow saddle]

because it does noting

[urban citrus]

so you cant macro them together

i mean, its just a dmg CD

[slow saddle]

nah

its a Multiplier

if u dont know u dont know

[balmy kindle]

Oh lol it's the puddle from the laser, they fucking hurt

[slow saddle]

thats shit on floor ?

but 20m ?

[urban citrus]

i confess i dont know

[slow saddle]

ive swear ive been able to survive 1 tick

[urban citrus]

so i cant understand the issue

[slow saddle]

so its 20% yes

but so is CS

[balmy kindle]

Yeap they shred like really hard but I am not sure how you got 20m

[slow saddle]

thats my point

like there has to be a bug with update ?

?:D

[urban citrus]

IMO just put avatar on anger management

[slow saddle]

nah

it is

also

[urban citrus]

that way you can just macro avatar and bladestorm no?

[slow saddle]

no

am needs to die

[urban citrus]

why not?

[slow saddle]

i want CS to be 30sec Avatar gone

and we are a 30 sec class

or u make avatar stronger and 1.5m

[urban citrus]

spiteful serenity seems kinda bad tho

[slow saddle]

its more it muddles CDR m8

consider this

u wanna align CS + avatar

• bladestorm // demolish

now u always hold something for something

[urban citrus]

oh i play slayer

[slow saddle]

feels bad

doesnt matter its bladestorm next tier then

[urban citrus]

i donno demolish feels... weird

[slow saddle]

demolish feels fucking great

[balmy kindle]

Big numbers

[urban citrus]

its pretty much an ability you cast, in melee

[slow saddle]

if u didnt have to wait for CDR

[balmy kindle]

Dopamine rush

[urban citrus]

but you cant move while using it

[slow saddle]

m8

i dont more around like an idiot

ever second anyways

do u ?

[urban citrus]

um

yes

[slow saddle]

#doubt

[urban citrus]

thats why i play slayer

and executioners precision

lol

[slow saddle]

its like everything else, if u dont know what mobs do

u may be caught in shit

if not, u are perfectly fine

and it dunks mobs

[urban citrus]

but i dont wanna be caught in shit and i donno what mobs do

[slow saddle]

so u play slayer its fine

[urban citrus]

i hate thingie till it stops moving

[slow saddle]

also

[urban citrus]

yay

[slow saddle]

bladestorm

kills u the same way

u cant move out of half the shit while bladestorming either

😄

[balmy kindle]

But slayer arms not good

[slow saddle]

its worse than not good

[urban citrus]

at least you can sort of move in bladestorm

[slow saddle]

its BAD

[urban citrus]

just slower

[slow saddle]

u can leap

in demolish

so i mean

ya comment is void

[urban citrus]

yeah thats why i play remix

since u can literally go for any build

and it will work

[slow saddle]

i mean if u dont play any competitive content

[balmy kindle]

I mean in remix I am just perma prot

[slow saddle]

u do u

no1 cares

[urban citrus]

slayer is kinda cool with executioners precision

and then you get the talent that lets u do MS in BS

and deliver a fat MS in the end

[balmy kindle]

Yeah but arms slayer just very underwhelming

[urban citrus]

its lower dmg im aware

[balmy kindle]

There's a good reason why most guys are playing fury in retail this season

[urban citrus]

im a degenerate i enjoy reckless abandon

[balmy kindle]

Unfort for you since RA not a thing after s1

[urban citrus]

it still exists, its just stupid how its implemented

it shouldnt be tied to recklessness

S1 implementation was perfect

why change it?

the rotation makes NO sense with RA

like, you want to use rampage to spend fury, but it means youre NOT using the empowered attacks

im positive blizzard doesnt play this talent

[balmy kindle]

Honestly idk why blizz did the changes they did

[urban citrus]

you could write a research paper about how they think

its truly a psychological marvel

[slow saddle]

i always prefered RA over AM

when it worked

Stronger CDs more seldomly greater for raid

[balmy kindle]

RA is alot easier to pilot as well imo

[warped spade]

My slarms actually sims higher for 8 targets

[slow saddle]

Than fury?

[warped spade]

No 😂 colossus

[halcyon valve]

by how much tho

[meager gull]

sorry for necro ping but, isnt over capping bad?

[latent moss]

ure bound to overcap with current design

outside of exe phase its not exactly easy to spend ur rage

[meager gull]

ah

so just follow guys advice and do rotation?

[latent moss]

idk what he said but just follow prio on wowhead

regardless of ur rage

[minor gust]

yes rage is a pretty meaningless resource for arms just follow the priority on wowhead and dont concern yourself with overcapping rage

nothing you can do about it

[balmy kindle]

But irl performance though

[quick badge]

Is managing rage economy going to be a thing in midnight?

[fresh spire]

nah its been reverted on last build

should be same as now

[warped spade]

I don't push keys, mostly just 12-13s for weekly and it's perfectly fine and fun. It's hard to tell which does more between slarms and col at this level as Tank pulls make a bigger diff. It's definitely more prio and boss damage on ST fights where most pug tanks don't bring thrash in. Most thrash at that level doesn't live long enough for col to noticeably pull ahead either. Here's a key I found that was logged as slarms:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/prGkCL81RZW4dBAj?fight=4&type=damage-done&source=128

[azure bear]

hey hey gamers

ive got a friend who is just, trying his damnest and just isnt really able to pull much DPS as Arms (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/dalaran/honduli?zone=45) and I really want some help with it, its hurting his confidence something special and I just cant figure it out (Disc main myself, former Warrior)

[teal fossil]

is this supposed to link to m+ logs

If so there’s no actual logs uploaded

[azure bear]

just overall methinks

[teal fossil]

And I don’t think he plays raid

There’s nothing to go off of

He’s only got lfr logs

[azure bear]

it just (after clicking through a sec) go to his runs yes

[warped spade]

How new is your friend to the game?

[wind hatch]

Looking at the first pull of a 12 streets he did a few days ago, a few things are apparent. He casts demolish before building any colossal might stacks or applying deep wounds to any mobs. He is also casting mortal strike when he has cleave up. Cleave pretty much always takes precedence over mortal strike in AOE. He's also casting thunder clap more often than he should. Thunder clap is only really used to reapply rend or as a filler in aoe when you have absolutely nothing else up.

[azure bear]

Noted; demolish before colossal might stacks; thats worth building even on first pull?

[wind hatch]

Yes, having 10 colossal might stacks will double the damage of your demolish, and you're able to build those stacks before your cooldowns fall off so it's very worth it

[spiral coral]

would be more focused on getting it off in wb window and staying on top of getting CDs off and staying strictly on top of prio for a new player

[buoyant cargo]

I just played a key as arms for a long time again just for fun to fill up vault. Man i like arms gameplay so much. Wish single target damage was like it is on fury and i wouldt play fury anymore...

[slow saddle]

Prio is keepin up 2 x bleed dmg no?

[slow saddle]

Facts.

But its sooooo fsr behind

[paper summit]

hey what old raid content can we solo? All shadowlands mythic's?

in the past it's been -2 expac's of content

[void bay]

Shadowlands for sure I've done that.

[paper summit]

do you need to be prot to do the mythic bosses?

[void bay]

No they die super fast if you have gear

[paper summit]

have you tried any dragonflight raids? LFR or normal at least?

[void bay]

Nope

[hearty pewter]

Did Vault of the Incarnates with 1 other friend on mythic because of Diurna and Razageth

Raz died before she knocked us back to the last platform

If i remember correct

But Diurna is impossible without 1 player clearing the adds that spawn and getting the drakes away (from the boss) that spawn from the eggs

[paper summit]

ok

[azure bear]

elaborate?

[slow saddle]

4p

80% bleed dmg

So i tend to prio ms if buff isnt up

[spiral coral]

funnest gameplay in the game

[slow saddle]

Its easily good in 17s so far

I cant seem to get ara kara, as easily. Rly a place so much better suited for furu

[wind hatch]

Why? Cleave applies deep wounds too

[slow saddle]

Doesnt apply 4p

80% more bleed dmg

M8 u still send cleave asap, it was more if both are rdy, ill send ms to get 4pcback if huge pack and my full bleeds are up

Usually its just up

[wind hatch]

Oh yeah I didnt realize u were talking about the 4 piece effect itself, ur right about that but I wanted to focus my advice on more fundamental things like the basic rotation over relatively minor optimizations

[azure bear]

Taking any and all MORE advice for this!

[slow saddle]

I means arms isnt meta, and in low keys its horrid🤣

Best advice go fury🤣

[azure bear]

this

is not good advice!

[dim basalt]

Its not, but prob the better thing to do

Arms has a bunch of minmaxing stuff which just takes a lot of practice to do right

Whereas fury is as simple as fdk

[minor gust]

really isnt good advice let people learn and play what they find fun

best advice is have your friend look over any of the guides linked in https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715 and practice those priorities on dummies till its 2nd nature

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/new-boots-genuine-goofin-boot-gif-13565014

how I imagine new players playing arms

[lofty pulsar]

Ngl I wish 4p let cleave do the MS thing lol

[teal fossil]

that was the intent

For you to press ms more in aoe

[lofty pulsar]

I’m gonna play around with it tbh especially since cleave has a CD anyhow

[balmy kindle]

With turbo going to 730 even Colo arms can do decent ST dmg, not much reason to play fury unless u are doing like 21-22

[void bay]

Also if you like fun....then...then you should play fury.

[balmy kindle]

Idk like I don't find the current slayer very fun when it's just spamming raging blow to proc reap

[void bay]

but u get 2x 2handers

[forest dove]

Got em

[balmy kindle]

Maybe I am biased but I just like demolish

[void bay]

I like being a rogue but in plate

[balmy kindle]

Beyblade gaming was cool for about 2-3 weeks until character power got so out of hand that it doesn't matter anymore

[void bay]

THe fuck is beyblade gaming

[balmy kindle]

Bruh currently fury gameplay is legit cosplaying as a fidget spinner

[void bay]

Yeah I had to google it

Spinning around is fun though......weeeeee

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-gif-12882885325856557071

[slow saddle]

I meeean decent is puttin on a lie

Power hasnt changed vs other classes

[balmy kindle]

I mean if you wanna min max BM is like heads and shoulders ahead

Like I am disgusted how much dmg a skilled user can do on this spec it's ridiculous

Realistically with how strong our toons are , probably can do 20s as long as your group Comp is not terrible and specs have some synergy

Before it made alot of sense to play fury to squeeze more juice when character power thresholds and limits were still there but now ? I would say just play what you enjoy

[boreal quartz]

I mean mdi frogs are 2 chesting 20s sometimes

Complete schizo

[void bay]

they did a 24 gambit lmao

[balmy kindle]

I mean there a reason why they are in MDI and I am wage cucking

[boreal quartz]

MDI is worse than having a job

In like pay per hour unless you win

Psure

[void bay]

they pulled those lightning guys and some murlocs onto the the first boss, and with all the lightning shit on the ground and being targetted by the laser, the dk was doing some realtime matrix kung fu, and still gripping the summoned adds onto boss. It was pretty crazy

[balmy kindle]

I like how after so many MDIs it always goes to degen big pulls to boss

[void bay]

yeah but it was a 24 so it was like nearly everything can one shot you

[balmy kindle]

Yeah that's the fun part no, at that point they just limit testing

[hazy flower]

Strictly yeah

But can build a brand from that

If youre smart

Pretty sure kira is well off

Gingi and the team definitely are

[dim basalt]

Gingi for sure because he has his own company

Dunno about the others

[teal fossil]

I mean that’s the only way to win

Beeg pulls

[slow saddle]

No weakauras

No help next mdi gonna be interresting

[boreal remnant]

define no help

[slow saddle]

I mean currently u can c countdown to casts

Also stoos

Stops*

[dim basalt]

They will do the exact same shit at mdi

[boreal remnant]

blizzard is far from finished implementing everything

[slow saddle]

Like floodgate dynamite throwers as an example

[dim basalt]

Absolutely nothing changes for them

[boreal remnant]

they might implement tracking of kicks and stops

[slow saddle]

Were told we wont get that

[boreal remnant]

were we

[slow saddle]

Unless i misunderstood y. Combat trackin

Is what wa's do now

And if they allow they open for wa again

[dim basalt]

Ok but they can still implement their own?

And there is no reason not to

[boreal remnant]

time for the ffxiv method and use 3rd party programs

[slow saddle]

Thats ban though

[dim basalt]

However MDI players dont really need any of that, at least not much

They run every dungeon so often they can play them without any comms

Its completely scripted through

[slow saddle]

We shall c

[warped spade]

From my understanding they don't mind some of the personal/group combat tracking as long as decision making is still solved by players. They said they really don't want addons to add combat functionalities to default ui but instead beautify/complement it. Which is why if you think there's a feature an addon was solving that was nice or needed (e.g. accessibility) you need to ask blizz to add the feature to default ui, not complain about an addon not working anymore.

[spiral coral]

That first part is wrong. They will not allow any type of combat script to be read or followed by an add on, hence why weak auras is closing up shop completely.

my only complaint is plater likely dying

and if nameplates suck, im out

[warped spade]

I said combat tracking. Not scripts. Healer prediction like shields, debuffs and stuff

[spiral coral]

maybe im just misunderstanding your wording but I just know add ons wont be able to read anything combat because blizzard is making all the values hidden

[warped spade]

Cooldown tracking could be a thing they end up including too

As long as the default ui can do it

[dire hinge]

it's all speculative right now, but currently you can't even remake the existing cooldown manager with the API available

i definitely want to have that information unblocked again, but until they actually take that action there is going to be a large gap left in its wake between what you want to track, and what's available to track

or rather: how you want to track it

[warped spade]

Ya I'm not saying anything is set in stone but there is a world where we could see something like a kick tracker. All secret values, made by blizz and reskinned by plater

[spiral coral]

I'm just going off of what the WA director said. When he said they're closing up shop due to not being able to see any combat values whatsoever. So, anything that needs to read any combat script at all from my understanding is RIP

[slow saddle]

well combat tracking is needed if im to know that theres 15 seconds until this spell will be casted by this trash mob

or 6 seconds to dynamite

or u are being targeted by this spell press defensive

in a pull with 10-15 mobs no way u can keep track of this without a wa

[spiral coral]

was going through my (small) add on list to see which ones would make it to midnight as it sits. It's two.

[warped spade]

The author of DBM made a video explaining their intentions. It was on wowhead not too long ago. I don't think they want to allow us at any point in the future to remake stuff, because remaking implies we could add more

[spiral coral]

there's going to be some ppl that will have to almost relearn how to play. some ppl play on fucking spaceship uis with 30+ add ons they dont need

[warped spade]

But if something is missing from the default could be added.

[spiral coral]

yuuup

[dire hinge]

of course

[spiral coral]

I'm hopeful for blizzard to make good in game stuff

just i dunno how much pain will be inflicted first before its good lol

like the cd manager we have now is ok

gives me promise

[warped spade]

(I know they removed it thankfully) There could be an execute tracker for juggernaut, made by blizz. If it's something not tracked that needs to be tracked

[slow saddle]

i mean OP procs

might be needed to track again

[warped spade]

Yes

[spiral coral]

the whole point of the reworks is to take stuff out a human cant track

that would just be

insane if they did that lmfao

[slow saddle]

i mean, as said, that should the include mobs casting random shit on u

that does stupid amounts of dmg

again dynamite in floodgate

[spiral coral]

"hey we sucked at this design so heres a in game add on for it that we made instead of fixing it"

[slow saddle]

im only in like a 17-18 range

[spiral coral]

looool

[slow saddle]

but like ppl are gettin killed if they get hit by the 2 at once

[warped spade]

That was the point for encounter stuff. I think the point here is to level the playing field between default ui and kickass WA

[dire hinge]

WAs do have a power advantage, totally acknowledge that.
They are also an Accessibility tool that has make the game more available to players who need information displayed in a different manner for their brains. This removal also kicks out the legs of a tool that has historically made their game accessible.

Case in point: tracking jugg manually is another spinning plate that folks with cognitive issues may have issues managing atop the 19 other spining plates and flashing icons. You could put jug timer on your execute before, can't now. Hopefully they redesign classes to not need such things, and hopefully they add some sort of advanced customizability in the future. But they don't have it now, and there will be so many widowed issues created soon.

[warped spade]

Unfortunately, there were some casualties especially in regards to accessibility stuff. And they said they would try to implement as much as they can themselves in that regard

[dire hinge]

their UI team is pretty small and working their butts off, i hope they can get time and space to prioritize a11y stuff soon

if they want to make the game more player friendly, a11y stuff impacts the whole player stack

[warped spade]

100% agree. There is also a case to be made about blocking everything and rolling back instead of slowly rolling out stuff. It makes it a lot easier to figure out what's missing

[dim basalt]

From a dev pov blocking everything and then rolling back slowly is much easier

Like, a lot

[dire hinge]

for sure, im a dev as well, it's just not human-focused, much like most dev.

it's easier on DevX and faster to accomplish, usually at the price of UX/CX in the itterim

it's unfortunate that WoW doesn't have some sort of scheduled release cycle they could implement changes around

[dim basalt]

mhm

There would be a lot less dooming if that existed

[warped spade]

Alpha's are also usually not "public". They kinda have to allow streaming, there'd be leaks and less people trying things

[dim basalt]

Im aware people would doom nonetheless Hrothmar

But with some kind of schedule people would know when to expect what

Taking the entire dps meter stuff for example, people were dooming so hard because they didnt know when they would release feature x

I think that doesnt even matter in a closed alpha but eh

[warped spade]

My biggest gripe is when they bugfix and sell it as a soon to come feature. E.g. the pushback prevention during demolish. It's in the tooltip now and may have worked before

But that's a "class change" now that we have to wait for.

[warped spade]

I like the idea of server side because of accuracy, I'm not convinced because of performance

[dim basalt]

hm?

[warped spade]

They could make a client side one that works just like details;off the combat log

[dim basalt]

Im not sure how much performance that eats tbh

Like its constant I/O but it shouldnt be that bad

[warped spade]

Ya and then extra network load. Also depends how often they update

[dim basalt]

But if I learned something over the years then its that most people have a really bad pc so they take anything lol

The network load is whatever, its all gRPC anyway

If anything its worse for them due to cost

And we should be glad they dont throw some kind of kernel-level anti-cheat on us

[warped spade]

Idk, their server seems to suffer when a lot of damage events are happening

One of the reasons old stampede was reworked after mop

[dim basalt]

Yeah but doing the calculations server-side shouldnt change anything at all

[warped spade]

5 hunters in a 25 man raid would brick the servers on pull

[dim basalt]

Pretty sure similar events were happening anyway

And lags are mostly infrastructure problems

Less the servers themselves

[forest dove]

Servers are infrastructure

[dim basalt]

When I say server I usually mean webserver, mb

[void bay]

Why would servers that show browser pages affect wow?

[ripe rampart]

thanks for inviting me @dawn spade

[dim basalt]

What do you think handles any kind of logic

Do you think the game is just plugged to physical servers and thats it or what

[ripe rampart]

yes

you remember that aqua teen hunger force when they had the e helmets on?

[dim basalt]

10/10 name for that response

[ripe rampart]

ty

[dim basalt]

But no, I dont know what youre talking about

[void bay]

What? Do you know what a web server is? No I dont think the game is "plugged into physical servers"

[dim basalt]

A web server is just software

It does not have to be related to web pages at all

[void bay]

Then it wouldnt be a web server

[dim basalt]

Game servers are just web servers that use the gRPC protocol

For most stuff

Or websockets, whatever

Not sure why you think that its any related to web pages

When often frontend and backend are entirely split

Its just some software that deals with data and thats it, thats the definition

[void bay]

Ok, when im designing large scale enterprise systems and we use "web server" to delineate the set of components and hardware that mostly give a front end to users in a browser and usually communicate using http, I will bear that in mind. Thanks 👍

Oh, and not everyone uses gRPC, its not been around that long.

[ripe rampart]

a web server is me running apache from some 20 year old xeon server I got on ebay for 15 bucks and its full of cute anime girls

woah a cat gf

[quaint otter]

😻

[cloud timber]

thats a dude

[ripe rampart]

kinda hot

[lofty pulsar]

so arterial is better than one against many above 5 right? or nah

[cloud timber]

guys whats your favorite spec aside from arms?

[ripe rampart]

arcane mage

[lofty pulsar]

if kul tirans could be paladins id go holy or ret but

probably marks hunter

i only play kul tiran

[cloud timber]

wait why only kul tiran?

i get like only human but why kul tiran

[cloud timber]

?

[spiral coral]

fire/frost mage

pally is super fun

[balmy kindle]

Survival hunter, just press wildfire bomb 💣

[lofty pulsar]

Idk playing thicc boys is fun

[void bay]

bm hunter

[long ember]

Ret paladin

[void bay]

That's just arms but more dps and utility and an immunity

[long ember]

But starting tomorrow devourer dh

[balmy kindle]

will always be bae though

[dim basalt]

Choosing an alt for Midnight is hard tho

SV will be sick, Devourer looks cool, rogue specs look cool

Uhdk also really nice

[void bay]

Feral

https://tenor.com/view/gato-gif-8519052141498810062

[rare kite]

Dk. All 3 specs look great

[dim basalt]

Fdk is just boring tho

[idle stump]

UH is a mess

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-death-knights/2175551/20

[slow saddle]

Uh is great in raid

And fdk will prob be good in both content

So war+ fdk as usual🤣

[echo marten]

If warrior get a buff everyone will yell like a banshe that we are op

[rare kite]

yea maybe after latest build where they made bone magus not guaranteed. before that i thought it looked great

gamba gamba

[void bay]

make warr buff

[spiral coral]

so what

Bruh every single one of my vaults was ass

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/start-your-engines-gif-9563511110565717034

[grave mulch]

only a little bit more to go!

[lethal acorn]

Those hotfixes came in clutch, I would look at a shadow and it would kill me half the time, now it was like 10% of the time

[lofty pulsar]

im assuming in for the kill is just objectively better than test of might right?

especially considering demolish takes up like 2 of those seconds lol

[void bay]

Run 30-33 Arc, lower/upper kara, eoa, brh

[slow saddle]

Hmm thank god they made beta

now i cant pick my vault ??

[teal fossil]

Idk about objectively better but mostly yeah

Tom is too nerfed

[slow saddle]

also

IFTK is just better

more fun

everything good

where as tom adds a flatter dmg profile

iftk adds a more spiky

[dim basalt]

Its nice that the delve boss gets a HoF av

Always did the boss right at the start of a patch

[slow saddle]

yeah

and i mean

it takes a lot of skil

to kill em early

[balmy kindle]

The last time TOM was viable, we were spamming ignore pain

[astral yarrow]

and boy do i miss it

[latent moss]

last time tom was good we were close to cancelauraing sudden death

iirc the main reason why tom was better than iftk was cause iftk didnt scale with blunt instruments

we did sims with fixed iftk and it was simming better than tom

back in s3 df

[balmy kindle]

Oh was it, I was thinking more of df s2

Stacking a fat TOM for storm of wind whirlwind

[latent moss]

sos ww was fun but

it was piano gameplay

especially s4

s4 was max piano gameplay

juggling 283782 buttons

s3 arms was fun asf

it was awful design wise but exe spam owned in execute

especially if u got pi

which u should have to stack tom for fatality

[olive nest]

God I want to play arms again

Blizzard pls

[fresh spire]

[halcyon valve]

[olive nest]

[slow saddle]

does look like arms tier

[minor gust]

🔮

[minor gust]

Obligatory just play it 4head

[slow saddle]

Avatar is here to stay YAY

i love that shit

make me big and brown

also add it to AM so no trinkets align properly with it

and our dmg is flatter

Yay us

[olive nest]

Can’t wait for the giant str on use with 2min cd and I can use it aligned with avatar thanks to AM

[slow saddle]

ikr

[weak wave]

@smoky kayak your latest builds in updates-midnight-alpha don't work anymore 🙁

[smoky kayak]

That’s a Blizz issue, you can just recreate them manually

[weak wave]

Yeah

[sacred zodiac]

Fehler: DIe Konfiguration, die importiert werden soll, wurde mit einer alten Version gespeichert.

[wary raft]

Fehler: DIe Konfiguration, die importiert werden soll, wurde mit einer alten Version gespeichert.

[grave mulch]

Fehler: DIe Konfiguration, die importiert werden soll, wurde mit einer alten Version gespeichert.

[jovial hare]

my furniture is floating

[nova marsh]

Skill issue

[reef spindle]

aura

[void bay]

German just sounds exhausting to speak. Making your mouth do that is not normal

[median scroll]

Fehler: DIe Konfiguration, die importiert werden soll, wurde mit einer alten Version gespeichert. @boreal quartz

[viscid geode]

Hey all, anyone able to recommend anyone making videos going over the Arms changes in Midnight?

[boreal quartz]

Elvui oder was

Ah nvm i cant reas

Read

[boreal quartz]

We get fun words like digga that concern many others

When they are harmless

[dim basalt]

And we have dialects for a reason

[void bay]

Its not the words, its the way it sounds. Like trying to eat a steak with a straw

[boreal quartz]

Not tapped in

Not everyone sounds like a hitler speech

[void bay]

its the schhshchhhhshhshchhh sounds

[dim basalt]

Some dialects ignore most of them so its somewhat similar to English

I cant pronounce ch the way its supposed to no matter how hard I try lol

Its like some inbetween of ch and sch

[oak kite]

can you spell reflect the netherblast at mythic shalhadar fight? the interruptible cast from nexus prince?

[opal tangle]

[halcyon valve]

anyone else experience this shit where bladestorm shows as off cooldown and ready to use, then you use a sudden death proc, and suddenly bladestorm has 1 second cooldown?

[spiral coral]

and you go to hit bs and your toon tells you it’s not ready?

[dim basalt]

That bug exists since at least this expac and is related to having 2 stacks of SD or something like that

[slow saddle]

Only arms as well

[vast glacier]

When this scares you, dont listen to slavic languages

[vast glacier]

This is a Bug, connected to AM because you spend a negativ rage value what means you get CD. Thank Blizzard for SD procs

[void bay]

It doesnt scare me, and slavic languages are fine if somewhat unintelligible.

Makes me want to reach for a glass of water all the time

[halcyon valve]

Awesome

[slow saddle]

They simply dont want u 2 play slayer arms

If dreadnaught had also popped reap...

Slarms wouldda had a chance in raid😁

[next oak]

“Slarms” I hate it!

[wind hatch]

I was wondering why that was happening lol

that's so dumb

[opal rapids]

Just got here
Arms is the way
That is all

[hushed pine]

Which trinket should I buy? Astral Antenna or Pacemaker?

[slow saddle]

Depends

Do u like picking up balls

?

[hushed pine]

Not really, no

[slow saddle]

2nd u can always sim it with different pickup %

And c at what % pace is betta

That being said astral is an overbudget trinket

[hushed pine]

wdym

[nova marsh]

Almost is "shadowlands arms."

[balmy kindle]

Idol and bag is pretty underrated imo

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cyshHNe33dkd13WSLAW8oR

Like you can see M trinks are pretty close

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d6dtTmEeqvJXt79GbChhS9

Oops please see this instead

[viral fiber]

Is anyone actually playing arms in 19+?

Why you guys are playing arms anyways

[dire hinge]

play whatever you like ❤️

[thick kelp]

[balmy kindle]

I like demolish and nothing will take it away from me

[slow saddle]

Did a 18 dawn as arms

Its deffo decently worse than fury

But fun

And key timed

[viral fiber]

Demolish is the reason I hate arms

[slow saddle]

What??

Big slam dam button??

[viral fiber]

Nah casting as melee is not fun at all

Espcially when die or lose damage because you need to cancel it

[thick kelp]

Skill issue

[balmy kindle]

Bruh demolish is the single reason I stuck with arms

Big yellow numbers

[wind hatch]

the cast is so short that it really isn't a big deal, you can also leap during demolish if you need to for whatever reason

[last tendon]

anyone got a aoe beta lvl 80 build i can check out? 😄

[balmy kindle]

Check the https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

There's a few trees by arch

[last tendon]

Thanks!

[slow saddle]

When u leap doenst it still do dmg on last swing now?

Only bad part of col is it needs to do more dmg to compete with fury

[balmy kindle]

It does but you need to be close enough I tgink

[slow saddle]

Leap 1m then🤣

Dno man since playing a bit of col

Havent had any issues where i had to leap

U know when shits coomin and u hold hold a sec

[jovial hare]

I do but I frequently greed with it lmao

[slow saddle]

Greed?

U mean dont know dungeons?

Because atm, theres absolutely no reason to be caught out

[jovial hare]

no i send it anyways and just leap out at the last second

haven't died (yet)

[boreal quartz]

real gamers leap in melee

[thick kelp]

leap is a dps CD

[latent moss]

tmy smolderon hc run incident

[slow saddle]

#mythic u mean

[minor gust]

Smoldy parse you mean healers just heal me I'm not moving out

[dreamy tiger]

doodoo caca balls

poopy in my pantsys

oop a fart sliped out

[daring heron]

nice pfp

did u watch reze arc

[minor gust]

yes it was very good

[daring heron]

fr

[minor gust]

glad its selling and doing so well in theatres outside of Japan, cool to see this movie and the Demon slayer movie pop off.

[daring heron]

yeah for sure

i watched both but enjoyed reze arc a lot more

demon slayer one was good too though

[minor gust]

same I like Chainsaw mans vibe so much more

[grave mulch]

WOAH WOAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Dial it back please Mr Badpitt

[void bay]

Somethings I can accept, but on this matter, I cannot

[lofty pulsar]

pretend i only give a shit about AOE

is one against many better

[minor gust]

this might be your 4th or 5th time asking that question

you good?

[lofty pulsar]

yeah

[halcyon valve]

Chainsaw man movie was peak cinema

[slow saddle]

Ok wtf is going on with Wow servers?

retail cant even be in dornogal without major lags

[rocky jackal]

Idk, llaggy for me too

[hot current]

did blizzard just forget they should buff some classes on retail?

[spiral coral]

forget? no

they decided not to focus on any balance changes cause the game is changing completely in 2-3 months so what’s the point

Also no one (class) is down bad enough that it’s unplayable

I should know. I play mostly Arms and Frost and SV.

[hot current]

well that makes arms the worst spec of the entierety of the war within

[dim basalt]

Not really

[spiral coral]

Survival imo takes that cake

Especially getting owned in class by two other specs

[rocky jackal]

Arms seems so fun though

[spiral coral]

It is

just is hindered by tuning and it being left in a weird spot

arms chef was cookin’ something epic for this season, ran out of time and got told to go work on midnight

[rocky jackal]

Ah
Well, maybe midnight arms will be great

[quaint otter]

Arms rework 13.x

[urban charm]

dumb guy question, does sweeping strikes proc the mortal strikes from Unhinged talent?

[latent moss]

no

[hallow quail]

But philosophically it should

[lofty pulsar]

why do i feel like 6 mill in streets is hard carrying lol that dungeon is so bad for me

[urban charm]

couldn't agree more moose

and yea streets is just a low damage shithole

too many bosses

[nova marsh]

The bosses just suck

[slow saddle]

Sks helps

Also streets is rough

Kindda frustrating they didnt just buff sks to give col mlre st

Keep in mind not like im super attached to it. But where else to tune...

[jovial hare]

gonna miss sks personally
i know it was pretty devisive for a lot of arms players
but just slapping something hard enough to make them bleed out faster felt cool to me

[halcyon valve]

sks went hard af when it instantly did all the dmg

[jovial hare]

ye

[slow saddle]

This sks and better tuned bleeds with the 100% dmg not 80%

Wouldda made us great prio target burners

[dim basalt]

More like mediocre prio target burners

[slow saddle]

I mean 🤣

[daring saddle]

Yo mate,can u show on more targets, iam curious how much is it?

[halcyon valve]

Aura farming by playing arms on mythic dimensius prog

[minor gust]

im taking a break from retail till midnight so no rekilling Saladbar and Dimmy on arms for me

[balmy kindle]

I did 1 target, higher targets will just mean bag of tricks have lesser value while trinks like antenna regain more value

[echo marten]

🙁

[glacial pebble]

is it possible to use Slayer in M+

[dire hinge]

Absolutely, there's a few builds for it around, and it's decent enough. You can push higher with colossus, but if you prefer slayer it's still quite usable

you can find the "Alternative M+" talents here:
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/talent-builds-pve-dps#talent-import-codes

you just gotta play Juggernaut pretty heavily, so be aware of downtime between packs

[glacial pebble]

Thank you very much

[dire hinge]

of course, good luck out there!

[spiral coral]

Quite enjoying slayer arms, and it’s probably what I’m playing the rest of the season.

[stable fiber]

i need to try a arms raid

maybe get some R1s

[lofty pulsar]

Demolish cranks tho. Big boom fun make brain feel good

[spiral coral]

Col arms outside of CDs in st is the most unbearable shit

[slow saddle]

Also inside, dmg is just baad😅🤣

[glacial pebble]

I feel like arms isnt as braindead as people say

[dim basalt]

Always depends what you compare it to

[glacial pebble]

Fury

frost dk, ww monk

outlaw rogue

[dim basalt]

WW Monk is way harder

lmao

[glacial pebble]

ik but im saying it isnt as braindead as the memes suggest

[dim basalt]

Arms is 95% muscle memory imo

At some point you can be completely brainafk and parse super high

Arms rarely plays around mechanics and just keeps doing the same thing over and over

[glacial pebble]

i feel like thats most classes though no?

[dim basalt]

A lot of specs tend to hold (small) cds for certain mechanics or do some shenanigans

We almost never do that

Cuz our cds are so worthless

So getting used to encounters takes a lot less time too

I played WW this tier and had to think about things I never had to think about the past 2 tiers as Arms dunno

Not just cds but also defensives because warrior is pretty tanky

Though we regularly see people here who struggle surviving things because theyre not used to using SR and DStance regularly

[glacial pebble]

kinda like DK

they can ignore a lot of mechanics

[glacial pebble]

Like avatar?

[dim basalt]

ye

Avatar outside of exe phase is so whack

Even with IFTK which we lose in Midnight

[glacial pebble]

why do you think its whack?

[dim basalt]

It doesnt do anything special and we rely a lot on buffed MS + Opportunity to do damage, which you may or may not get during the window

If it wasnt for IFTK we would get absolutely 0 gameplay changes (if you can call Haste a gameplay change) during our "burst" windows

Burst in quotation marks because we havent been bursty all expac

Unless youre proccing like insane in the opener with lust and good crit luck

[slow saddle]

whats the interrupt macro for focus target thingy again and if no focus just current target

[feral breach]

#showtooltips
/Cast [@focus,exist,harm,nodead][] Pummel; Pummel

[dire hinge]

servers up 🙂

[slow saddle]

thx

[dry frost]

What Dinar # was this

5?

or no 7?

nvm apparently I am just bad at basic math

lmao

[jovial hare]

they removed the funny cursing voiceline from king ymiron ):

[nova marsh]

Really?

Lame

[glacial pebble]

This company turned into a bunch of pussies

[minor gust]

[olive nest]

Lmao

[next oak]

I'm loving this BTM thing

been playing Arms all season and now i dont have to run my own key

[slow saddle]

Facts

[sharp wyvern]

whoops wrong channel

[zenith kraken]

any ppl here would know a good guide to learn slayer for raid ?
And gear for it, i see standard crit , then no crit vut full mastery et versa builds, im kinda lost

[sharp wyvern]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/overview-pve-dps

it has a stat prio but if you can sim then do that

there arent realy stat "builds" in this game we just all trust the robot to tell us what to wear

[weak wave]

What did he say?

[sacred zodiac]

search king ymiron on youtube holy helly

[tacit gate]

so like

what the hell happened to arms warrior

the cockblock to rage is real 😭

[dim basalt]

huh?

[tacit gate]

im actually being rage starve for the first time in years since coming bac

[dim basalt]

On live servers?

[tacit gate]

yeah

[dim basalt]

That should happen almost never

Especially when playing Slayer

[tacit gate]

oh i havent unlocked hero talents yet

[dim basalt]

I dont remember what it was like levelling, but I guess there is happens more often

At max level its really, really rare

[tacit gate]

ok

[weak wave]

https://youtu.be/_Skbig4qGQc?si=HZRZ6-kHpbsZ1Jy0

Well.. many beeps

[weak wave]

https://youtu.be/_Skbig4qGQc?si=HZRZ6-kHpbsZ1Jy0

Well.. many beeps

Or is this the original?

[sacred zodiac]

that is the original

[weak wave]

So Ymiron was beeping ingame? 🤨

[halcyon valve]

i always forget wow npcs do this sometimes lmao

[opal rapids]

Is skullsplitter worth even taking? I dont mind the extra button but im not sure how much of a difference it makes.

Maybe some better prio and I can throw it into my sweeping window for a second one but idk.

Any advice here?

[olive nest]

You pretty much filler with it

Can run it or not fairly negligible impact button

[opal rapids]

Thats what i thought.
Im gonna just pull it for Strength of arms or dreadnaught

[slow saddle]

It ia rather nice prio dmg

But u can deffo play str of arms

[dense aspen]

I have a more generic question as someone who played a shitton of warrior for years but very little in DF / TWW.

What's the communities general reaction on rend and especially the tclap interaction with it. As someone getting back into the class it just seems so wonky / over engineered.

I know in Midnight they're consolidating it a bit but man it just feels out of place to me.

[untold pewter]

Some like rend (like me), some don't
I think we all agreed thunderclap was just bloat/talent tree filler added by Blizzard. The Midnight aoe rend is a way more elegant approach.

Right now, when you do talent into thunderclap, you don't cast rend, you just thunderclap (disclaimer: it is technically a completely irrelevant DPS loss to use TC instead of Rend on single target)

It's just a dot, It's nice knowing it's doing damage when you're forced away from your targets. Doesn't make or break anything but it's also braindead to maintain

[dense aspen]

Yeah, I think it’s that thing where technically you need both keybound that stood out.

This is an alt I am prepping for midnight. Rend ain’t goin on the bars.

[untold pewter]

Yeah no reason

[slow saddle]

i mean Rend IS going on the bars for midnight

😄

At this point idc Using Prism is the biggest dopamine ever,. when u c those BIG fat crits

[void bay]

what sorta st damage does arms do with all cds and an 18 stack prism in lust?

[slow saddle]

St???

We be playing m+ and sending demolish brother

[void bay]

on boss, st, go

[terse nest]

learning arms as an alt. how do i track marked for execution? is it something that should show on the nameplates?

want to actually learn the rotation a bit better outside of relying on hekilli

[terse nest]

nvm the magic weakaura tells me how to do it anyway

[boreal quartz]

it is a debuff but just use the wa while u can

before it all becomes dogshit

[terse nest]

are they planning on removing the debuff/ making it so i dont need to trrack it in midnight? i havnt looked at warrior changes at all for midnight

cause im enjoying warrior a lot since its rotation doesnt seem too complicated outside of tracking a buff or two but the execute conditions are cringe af

[rare kite]

debuff is not there anymore. we now have a buff instead

bit different buff tho. it's kinda like ironfur for druids as in it just falls off by itself

[terse nest]

ok so its easier to track. also ive been playing slayer in m+. i didnt like the feel of the other rotation as much. been doing pretty well with it. how much worse is it?

cause it seems pretty solid and i like the beyblade